#emc | Logs for 2008-12-01

[02:37:14] <cradek> does anyone know how to use s32out in classicladder?
[02:37:32] <cradek> I figure I should use the ASSIGNMENT output thingy
[02:37:55] <cradek> I've tried various things for the Expression but I get errors saying I should use format @xxx/yyy@ and something with := in it "to make operate"
[02:38:10] <cradek> so I have no idea what it's supposed to do
[02:38:14] <cradek> hi BigJohnT
[02:38:36] <BigJohnT> hi
[02:39:41] <cradek> BigJohnT: do we have much for classicladder docs other than the wiki page?
[02:40:20] <BigJohnT> yes I have a few examples in addition to the regular stuff on classicladder
[02:40:44] <cradek> oh hey
[02:40:48] <cradek> look, ladder docs
[02:40:49] <cradek> :-/
[02:40:50] <cradek> sorry
[02:41:02] <BigJohnT> lol
[02:42:08] <cradek> which thing is the OPERATE button?
[02:42:20] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/ladder_classic_ladder.html#r1_6_5
[02:42:23] <cradek> looking here ^
[02:42:55] <cradek> is it the = ?
[02:43:04] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT looking
[02:44:06] <cradek> what I'm trying to figure out is how do I get values on S32outs?
[02:44:17] <BigJohnT> yes it is the =, not sure why they called it that
[02:45:43] <cradek> hm, I tried %OW1=10 but got those two erorsr
[02:45:47] <cradek> errors
[02:47:43] <cradek> when I add a "=" I get ASSIGNMENT, not OPERATE
[02:48:24] <BigJohnT> hmmm
[02:49:31] <BigJohnT> are you putting an operate on the right most colum?
[02:49:35] <cradek> yes
[02:50:11] <BigJohnT> I'm on the wifes windows laptop so I can't look at classicladder at the moment
[02:51:09] <BigJohnT> seems like the operate is just an assignment ...
[02:52:05] <BigJohnT> it should be a %Wnn=10
[02:52:40] <cradek> %W are now internal, the s32in are %IW0, I think s32out are %OW0
[02:52:50] <cradek> but I'll try %W for fun
[02:53:30] <cradek> aha %W does work
[02:53:46] <BigJohnT> my cat is keeping me from leaving my chair for the moment
[02:54:37] <jepler> cradek: just noticed this in a comment: /* verify if there is the '=' or ':=' */
[02:54:46] <jepler> but I guess the :, if present, is just eaten
[02:55:40] <cradek> hm %W2 doesn't end up as any classicladder.0.s32out-*
[02:57:48] <cradek> oh maybe it's QW not OW
[02:57:51] <BigJohnT> dumb question did you configure any s32's for your classicladder
[02:57:58] <cradek> yes
[02:58:02] <cradek> I have the hal pins
[02:59:09] <cradek> got it, duhhh
[02:59:15] <cradek> it's %QW
[02:59:22] <cradek> I=Input Q=Output
[02:59:35] <BigJohnT> ok, I'll update the manual
[02:59:52] <cradek> %IW is s32in, %QW is s32out
[03:00:05] <cradek> (this is a new change he made)
[03:00:13] <jepler> so trunk only
[03:00:14] <jepler> ?
[03:00:17] <JymmmEMC> sounds like a typo
[03:00:19] <cradek> yes I think so
[03:00:37] <BigJohnT> how new is the change?
[03:00:39] <cradek> JymmmEMC: no, %Q are bit outputs, so %QW are word outputs
[03:01:02] <cradek> BigJohnT: 2008/11/23
[03:01:04] <JymmmEMC> cradek: what is 'O' then?
[03:01:19] <cradek> JymmmEMC: I don't think it's anything
[03:01:48] <BigJohnT> ok, that has been since he sent me the info for trunk
[03:01:49] <JymmmEMC> cradek: That's where I think it might be a typo... Input, Output - like you said
[03:02:02] <cradek> I timed a truck today - took me a long time to figure out that A=Before and R=After
[03:02:35] <JymmmEMC> hey SWPadnos
[03:02:43] <SWPadnos> hi
[03:05:01] <JymmmEMC> Oh, these work nice, even under nix... http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.474
[03:05:43] <JymmmEMC> Hey, anyone live outside US, but has fair trade agreement with US ?
[03:06:20] <eric_u> why?
[03:06:39] <JymmmEMC> I want a laser that can't be shipped to US =)
[03:10:37] <JymmmEMC> http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/browseVideos.dx/sku.11315~id.1547
[04:21:37] <eric_u> does anyone know the best way to put the board outline in an Eagle design?
[04:22:39] <cradek> I think you draw it with "wires"
[04:23:03] <eric_u> using copper?
[04:24:57] <LawrenceG> eric_u, do you want to mill it out of the blank pcb? ie cut the board out? put a .1" wide wire trace around board outline on layer 46
[04:26:03] <LawrenceG> (I use a surplus .1" rasp type pcb mill to cut out my boards
[04:26:16] <eric_u> I want to send it to barebonespcb
[04:26:46] <LawrenceG> hmmm... not sure what they want for production
[04:26:53] <eric_u> they say "NOTE: Be sure to include board outline in your Gerber files"
[04:27:34] <LawrenceG> the only board house I have used accepted eagle project files directly.... no gerbers needed
[04:27:35] <SWPadnos> if you have any, you can use mechanical layers, you don't have to use copper
[04:29:49] <cradek> arg, curse fanuc, curse curse
[04:30:17] <cradek> aka 'wonder if I have any 6-40 screws'
[04:32:56] <eric_u> 4mm?
[04:32:57] <DanielFalck> cradek: what are you cursing about?
[04:33:36] <cradek> trying to wire up an old fanuc jog wheel but it wants (I think) 6-40 screws which I don't seem to have
[04:34:10] <cradek> 6-32 would have been just fine
[04:34:12] <cradek> minor deal, sorry
[04:35:45] <DanielFalck> np
[04:45:37] <tomp> jmkasunich: i am reading an email from japan panasonic about a motor they make for asian market.
[04:45:50] <tomp> under 'evaluation items' , item 'burnout test' ...
[04:45:51] <tomp> the result is ' no ignition, not more than the specified amount of smoke ' :)
[04:46:10] <tomp> whats the unit of measure :)
[04:46:58] <eric_u> we screwed up a 5hp induction motor by doing something wrong with the field voltage
[04:47:08] <eric_u> it filled the room up with smoke really nicely
[04:47:21] <eric_u> actually, the motor still seems to run fine
[04:49:33] <tomp> careful, the smoke is from insulation ( dope or paper )
[04:50:07] <eric_u> not paper
[04:50:24] <tomp> i call the laquer 'dope'
[04:51:06] <tomp> could be other, not up on new insulation materials
[04:51:40] <tomp> jst thought the 'specified amount ' of smoke was funny
[04:53:08] <jmkasunich> eric_u: tomp is right - you may have damaged the winding insulation
[04:53:33] <eric_u> could be, we aren't using that motor anyway
[04:53:38] <jmkasunich> magnet wire varnish, or stuff that the winding was impregnated with after it was wound
[04:53:40] <eric_u> it ran fine afterwards
[04:53:41] <jmkasunich> good
[04:54:00] <jmkasunich> might run fine for a while, but fail down the road, or fail hipot
[04:54:32] <jmkasunich> motors are pretty darned rugged, but if significant amounts of smoke come out, they are NOT the same as they were before
[05:06:29] <eric_u> advanced circuits has an explanation about how to zip up your design files, but not anything about the files themselves
[05:07:13] <SWPadnos> they have a web DFM (design for manufacture check) that will tell you if there are any errors
[05:07:28] <eric_u> I was going to use that
[05:07:33] <SWPadnos> they do tell you about the formats they support: RS274D or RS274X
[05:07:47] <SWPadnos> excellon drill files, blah blah drill master, etc
[05:08:03] <eric_u> I saw that, but it needs to be a little simpler
[05:08:37] <JymmmEMC> cradek: Weren't you doing somethign with a drag knife at one point? http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-Cutter-Carbide-Blades-for-Vinyl-Cutting-Plotters_W0QQitemZ290029876749QQihZ019QQcategoryZ26245QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
[13:13:34] <jepler> http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.4733 Kinematic Analysis of a Serial - Parallel Machine Tool: the VERNE machine. (arXiv:0811.4733v1 [cs.RO])
[13:16:20] <archivist> ew eeeeevil mafffs
[13:17:22] <archivist> that maths is waaay over me
[13:45:54] <jepler> in that case you'd better stick to trivial kinematics machines
[13:45:57] <jepler> (me too, really)
[13:46:37] <archivist> :)
[15:08:17] <cradek> has anyone rigged up a grinding setup to make round nosed lathe tools?
[15:09:18] <cradek> seems like it couldn't have any top rake, but that's probably ok, I'd just use it for finishing
[15:34:32] <jymm> archivist: that math is easy... the anwer is 42 no matter what the question is =)
[15:34:38] <jymm> ^s
[15:37:22] <SWPadnos> jymm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816131003&Tpk=16-131-003
[15:37:36] <SWPadnos> oh wait, no RAID6
[15:39:24] <SWPadnos> uh, here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116064&Tpk=16-116-064
[15:41:45] <jepler> SWPadnos: is that your christmas stocking stuffer pick of the year?
[15:41:52] <SWPadnos> heh, no
[15:42:17] <SWPadnos> there were a few RAID cards in the "cyber monday" specials from NewEgg
[15:42:23] <SWPadnos> and jymmmmmmm was looking for one
[15:42:54] <jymm> looking...
[15:43:35] <SWPadnos> here's a better stocking stuffer: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152102&Tpk=22-152-102
[15:43:50] <jepler> the newegg board photos look like a totally different layout from the board photo on the box (for the raid controller)
[15:43:52] <SWPadnos> (you could at least fit it into reasonable-sized stockings)
[15:45:00] <SWPadnos> yes, they do look a little different, don't they?
[15:46:41] <jymm> SWPadnos: All 4 port =( Only give about 3TB if you have a hot spare. I'd love 8 port then I can do 6TB+2 hot spare
[15:47:13] <cradek> wow, that's an awful lot of porn
[15:47:15] <jepler> hm, what's it cost to build a quad core / 4GB / 1TB these days. I need to, uh, test emc on one
[15:47:21] <SWPadnos> yep, I was pre-coffee when I saw the first one - read "pci express x8" as "pci express, and 8 SATA connectors" :)
[15:47:34] <jymm> SWPadnos: I did too
[15:47:45] <SWPadnos> jepler, $800 or less, probably
[15:47:47] <jymm> cradek: And you point is?
[15:48:00] <jymm> cradek: Not to worry, it's all QUALITY porn =)
[15:48:13] <SWPadnos> but it depends on whether you use Intel or AMD
[15:49:20] <jepler> SWPadnos: I don't have a whole lot of brand loyalty for CPUs, I tend to go for lower price first, lower power dissipation second, and brand last.
[15:49:31] <SWPadnos> that's a good order :)
[15:49:43] <jepler> personally, I'm not convinced there's 6TB of good porn on the whole planet
[15:49:43] <SWPadnos> but maybe I'd stick performance in there somewhere
[15:50:29] <SWPadnos> AMD has a couple of quad-cores that are 65W
[15:50:36] <jepler> SWPadnos: surely outside the "budget" lines there are no poor-performing CPUs anymore.
[15:50:42] <SWPadnos> also relatively inexpensive at $170
[15:50:59] <SWPadnos> poor perfromance is relative ;)
[15:52:14] <SWPadnos> the quad-core Phenom compiles EMC2 (after a make clean) in about 20 seconds
[15:52:29] <SWPadnos> though that's sim I think
[15:52:42] <jepler> here's an 8 SATA-II connector RAID card, dunno if it's not crap in some other way though. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115026
[15:52:49] <SWPadnos> but it does include depending everything
[15:53:25] <SWPadnos> no RAID6
[15:54:17] <SWPadnos> jepler, the computer I put together for ~$1300 a couple of months ago would now cost < $1000
[15:55:07] <jepler> oh, oops -- I wasn't paying attention to the raid features. it's worth doing raid in the card these days, not in the os?
[15:55:08] <SWPadnos> and that's with 8G RAM, a WD Raptor 300G hard drive (3x the cost of 1TB today), and a Radeon HD4870, the fastest video card on the market (barring multi-GPU madness)
[15:55:21] <SWPadnos> it is if you want to boot from a RAID-protected partition
[15:56:32] <jepler> so you can take your pick between being f**ked when your boot drive goes for being f**ked when the card goes
[15:56:42] <SWPadnos> yes
[15:56:52] <SWPadnos> just boot from SSD :)
[15:56:59] <SWPadnos> hey, I should patent that!
[15:57:00] <jepler> I think I'd pick door #1, steve
[15:57:08] <SWPadnos> heh
[15:57:24] <SWPadnos> yes, if you've made proper backups and all, that would be the preferable door
[15:58:17] <jepler> which is darned hard to do with 6TB of data
[15:58:29] <jepler> but of a small boot partition it would be easy
[15:58:38] <SWPadnos> well, it does require large numbers of tapes or a $manyK tape drive
[15:58:41] <jepler> in fact, as you suggest, you could just have a cupboard of SSDs all loaded with the kernel and initrd
[15:58:52] <cradek> you should keep your root filesystem to 1.44MB so you can back it up easily (minix advice)
[15:59:05] <SWPadnos> the likelihood of an SSD failing is hopefully lower than that of a rotating media device failing
[15:59:10] <SWPadnos> heh
[15:59:21] <SWPadnos> sorey, can't do that with bzImages :)
[15:59:30] <SWPadnos> sorry
[15:59:32] <SWPadnos> that is
[15:59:32] <jymm> jepler: High Point raid anything == icky poo poo
[16:00:03] <cradek> I wish modern linux distribs would still use a small root partition with just the necessary things for booting. it would make disaster recovery much better.
[16:00:48] <jepler> yeah, the last disaster I had wasn't fun to recover from
[16:00:49] <cradek> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
[16:00:49] <cradek> /dev/ad8s1a 507630 38842 428178 8% /
[16:00:56] <cradek> ^ modern freebsd install
[16:01:10] <jepler> it mostly involved waiting for a tape restore of about 20k of files from /etc, but without that the system was useless
[16:04:00] <jymm> That was kinda the purpose of getting a REAL 8 port raid card... No backups, just swap out hdd offsite every so often. Especially now that 1TB drives are $100
[16:05:01] <jymm> 8 port card will give me 6 drives (~5TB) + 2 hot spares
[16:05:19] <cradek> how can a 1TB offsite drive hold your 5TB of data?
[16:05:39] <jymm> cradek: The drives would be rotated off site
[16:06:39] <cradek> oh so you have several copies of at most 1TB of data?
[16:07:22] <jymm> or rdiff-backup to a secndary system offsite, but not too sure the expense (bandwidht) there
[16:08:39] <jymm> with 8 port card could do RAID 50, but no hot spares
[16:09:00] <jymm> err RAID51
[16:09:11] <jymm> mirrored Raid 5
[16:10:37] <fragalot> lol.
[16:10:52] <fragalot> "RAID 15" .. I think
[16:11:03] <jymm> 0 strip, 1 mirror
[16:11:31] <jymm> I remember the 0 becasue that what you have left if a drive fails....zero
[16:11:45] <jymm> if stripped
[16:12:10] <SWPadnos> or striped!
[16:12:28] <jymm> stop stripping the p from my striper
[16:12:37] <SWPadnos> stripers are fish
[16:12:45] <SWPadnos> (if you believe Billy Joel)
[16:13:53] <jymm> I dun know, cradek made a good point I didn't consider. Hmmm and all of of ports too - for hot spares
[16:14:24] <jymm> and way too long too long to rebuil the whole array
[16:16:30] <jymm> Hmmm, dual 4 port raid cards each running Raid5, then mirror em
[16:16:42] <SWPadnos> at separate locations :)
[16:17:05] <jymm> SWPadnos: That's a LOT of bandwidth, even if just diff's
[16:17:28] <SWPadnos> well, that's the idea behind "offsite backup" though ...
[16:17:48] <jymm> SWPadnos: any update would be a gig minimum
[16:17:49] <SWPadnos> as they said in the 1970's: "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes"
[16:18:14] <jymm> no tapes
[16:18:31] <jymm> crap load of drives, sure
[16:18:40] <SWPadnos> today they'd say the same thing, but it would be an SUV full of hard disks
[16:18:41] <jymm> unless they have a1PT tapes now
[16:18:58] <jymm> unless they have 1PT uncompressed tapes now
[16:19:00] <SWPadnos> 500GB native is the largest I've noticed, but I was only looking at AIT/SAIT
[16:19:15] <SWPadnos> I think there are higher capacity Ultrium tapes though
[16:19:41] <jymm> the tape industry REALLY needs to keep up with the hdd industry. they stopped doing that back in early 90's
[16:21:02] <SWPadnos> well, there are 800/1600GB tapes
[16:21:25] <SWPadnos> at $40 or so each
[16:21:29] <skunkworks> SWPadnos: did the vesa driver fix the odd video for you?
[16:21:33] <SWPadnos> the drive is expensive as hell
[16:21:40] <SWPadnos> skunkworks, haven't tried it yet
[16:24:12] <jymm> Hmmm, I think I can live with 3 TB +1 hot spare.... but it'll be kinda tight
[16:25:18] <jymm> bah! SWPadnos see what you started! LOL
[16:25:24] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:25:32] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos whistles innocently
[16:25:46] <jymm> SWPadnos: I do appreciate the lookout for RAID cards though =)
[16:26:02] <SWPadnos> sure
[16:26:54] <jymm> SWPadnos: I've been keeping my eye out for 1TB drives so as soon as I find/get a RAID card, will hit 3 or 4 frys
[16:27:16] <SWPadnos> is fry's below $100 yet?
[16:27:40] <SWPadnos> check out the WD Green drives by the way - several watts less power for each drive
[16:27:49] <jymm> SWPadnos: $98 I think - google 'mercury frys', first hit
[16:27:55] <SWPadnos> ok, cool
[16:28:16] <jymm> SWPadnos: frus ads alternate content every two weeks
[16:28:23] <jymm> err evey other week
[16:28:26] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:29:02] <jymm> just run what I say thru typo translator
[16:29:02] <SWPadnos> sounds like the grapevine in "Johnny Dangerously" :)
[16:29:33] <SWPadnos> "Johnny and the mothers are playing stompin at the Savoy in Vermont tonight"
[16:29:38] <jymm> SWPadnos: on those green hdd's, what's the drawback on them?
[16:29:50] <jymm> or tradeoff
[16:29:52] <SWPadnos> "what, Vermin's going to kill my brother tonight?"
[16:29:57] <SWPadnos> "that's not what I said"
[16:30:05] <SWPadnos> "nah, but I know this grapevine"
[16:30:25] <SWPadnos> they're not quite as fast as some others - not noticeably so, but it's inthe specs
[16:30:33] <jymm> ah
[16:30:52] <fragalot> RAID isn't what it used to be
[16:31:10] <fragalot> used to be all about inexpensive drives....
[16:31:39] <SWPadnos> it still is - there are hardly any expensive drives in the SATA space
[16:32:04] <SWPadnos> go for high reliability drives, and the price goes up almost exponentially (if you can find them)
[16:41:09] <jymm> I just need mass storage, not speed
[16:45:29] <BigJohnT> heh, I have Stompin at the Savoy by the Ink Spots :)
[16:50:25] <SWPadnos> skunkworks, http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#13
[16:55:23] <skunkworks> um.. yeck?
[16:55:27] <SWPadnos> heh, yep
[16:55:39] <skunkworks> how come no realtime issues?
[16:55:39] <SWPadnos> "don't buy these sysetms"
[16:55:42] <SWPadnos> too late! :)
[16:56:05] <SWPadnos> probably because the CPU has the memory controller in it, and the video subsystem has to wait
[16:56:29] <SWPadnos> which is what causes the graphics problems - the video system doesn't get the data it needs for the display
[16:56:36] <jepler> selecting vesa probably does one of the other things he mentions -- changes color depth, resolution, or refresh rate
[16:56:57] <SWPadnos> does VESA support 32-bit color?
[16:57:26] <SWPadnos> it definitely looks better (but not great) in 1280x1024 mode, though I never tried 16-bit
[16:57:28] <jepler> I think the VESA standard does, who knows what vesa modes the device reports, though.
[16:57:33] <SWPadnos> yeah
[16:58:06] <skunkworks> they work great for workstations.
[16:58:11] <skunkworks> (windows)
[16:58:16] <SWPadnos> interesting
[16:58:32] <jepler> the argument could be made that it's up to the driver to know these bandwidth limitations and refuse modes that exceed them
[16:58:46] <SWPadnos> I loaned mine to a friend for a gaming con and the first thing he did was install video cards that weren't "dog slow"
[16:59:05] <SWPadnos> could be - it's probably exacerbated by faster CPUs too
[16:59:53] <jymm> SWPadnos: at least 24bbp I believe
[17:00:15] <jymm> Hmmm... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822102004
[17:00:17] <SWPadnos> with the cost of reasonably high end video cards (some with 512M) under $50, it's a relative no-brainer to fix the problem :)
[17:01:09] <SWPadnos> oh wait - 256M on board. still a no-brainer though
[17:02:38] <jepler> I've seen those cards that say something about "xxxMB memory, (xxx/2)MB on board" and wasn't sure if those are just as bad as shared-memory video solutions in terms of realtime performance
[17:02:47] <jepler> have you used them in machines with rt?
[17:02:54] <SWPadnos> I've never used one
[17:03:18] <SWPadnos> I think that just means that they use AGP/PCIe memory as video memory, like it was originally intended
[17:03:29] <SWPadnos> err - main memory for textures ...
[17:03:58] <SWPadnos> I don't know if they reserve that memory by default though, or just grab it when necessary (like when running a game)
[17:04:07] <SWPadnos> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235
[17:04:13] <SWPadnos> not much point though
[17:11:59] <jepler> hi seb
[17:12:49] <jepler> alex_joni: did you ever hear from that guy with the index patches for one of those cards hardly anybody has? ax1524 or whatever it is?
[17:12:58] <skunkworks> So - there was a reason why it got better at lower res's... If I would have lowered the color depth a bit I could have stayed with the detected driver.
[17:14:24] <seb_kuzminsky> hi guys
[17:22:37] <SWPadnos> it's mostly OK at 1024x768, 24bpp (=32 bits/pixel framebuffer)
[17:22:52] <SWPadnos> I'll bet it's OK at 1280x1024@16bpp
[17:23:27] <SWPadnos> (I'm just trying to figure out where to put the depth setting in the almost-nonexistent xorg.conf :) )
[17:25:18] <cradek> jepler: it was stg I think
[17:45:58] <alex_joni> jepler: stg, the guy was max something
[17:46:03] <alex_joni> and no, I didn't hear back
[17:46:13] <alex_joni> he said he was going to test the fix I commited on TRUNK
[17:51:51] <jepler> yeah, I wasn't sure if it had gone anywhere since then
[17:52:19] <alex_joni> didn't forget about it though..
[17:54:42] <alex_joni> bbl
[19:16:51] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.ca/img/djKh9b.png
[19:17:06] <skunkworks> cap doesn't cover the current limit trim. Bonus!
[19:18:43] <BigJohnT> cool
[19:18:54] <BigJohnT> what is it :?
[19:19:14] <skunkworks> big h-bridge.
[19:19:34] <skunkworks> version 2.1 had issues with layout. This is version 3 ;)
[19:19:44] <BigJohnT> Sweet!
[19:19:59] <BigJohnT> as they say just to the south of me
[19:20:26] <skunkworks> did you see this? version 2.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGF07oVkl6M
[19:21:33] <skunkworks> * skunkworks is just making version numbers up. (he isn't that organized)
[19:21:35] <BigJohnT> cool, no I missed it
[19:21:41] <BigJohnT> LOL
[19:22:22] <BigJohnT> are you machining the boards?
[19:22:27] <skunkworks> eys
[19:22:28] <skunkworks> yes
[19:22:38] <BigJohnT> cool
[19:22:43] <jepler> he can't get me to do it for him :-P
[19:23:01] <jepler> actually I've had a ruined milled circuit board sitting on my machine's table for, oh, a month now
[19:23:10] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/amp.JPG
[19:23:20] <jepler> just haven't been motivated to work on it
[19:23:23] <skunkworks> herh
[19:23:25] <skunkworks> heh
[19:23:33] <skunkworks> actually finding the time is my issue
[19:23:51] <skunkworks> sould get a little better in the winter.. No outside work to do.
[19:24:01] <BigJohnT> yep, the time issue is the same problem here...
[19:24:25] <BigJohnT> I'm hoping there is some work to do at all this winter :/
[19:24:48] <skunkworks> well - there is work and work
[19:25:21] <skunkworks> jepler: what is your next project?
[19:25:54] <BigJohnT> I have a chance to pick up a couple of servos from a mill, what do I look for on them to know if they are usable?
[19:27:32] <skunkworks> depends on a lot of things. How old? Brushed servos are the easier to find drives
[19:27:48] <skunkworks> brushless are a bit harder.
[19:27:53] <jepler> skunkworks: nothing really in mind at the moment
[19:27:56] <skunkworks> (my drive is for brushed)
[19:28:01] <BigJohnT> not sure but not new for sure
[19:28:49] <BigJohnT> will the brushes be easy to spot?
[19:50:47] <skunkworks> logger_emc: bookmark
[19:50:47] <skunkworks> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-12-01.txt
[19:51:13] <skunkworks> hey - tab complete works now on the pjirc java client.
[19:51:59] <skunkworks> BigJohnT: sometimes..
[19:52:10] <skunkworks> if they are free - get them and sort it out later :)
[19:52:19] <BigJohnT> that was my plan
[19:52:43] <BigJohnT> you should see this mill it has a huge ring for a tool changer that circles the mill
[19:53:17] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/toolchangerspindle.JPG
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[19:53:49] <jymm> * jymm buckles in for the ride...
[19:54:25] <BigJohnT> this one is a 4' diameter ring or bigger
[19:54:48] <skunkworks> This is only 60 tools ;)
[19:55:00] <jymm> BigJohnT: Heh, the way you said it the first time, made it sound that the ring encircles the whole mill!
[19:55:05] <BigJohnT> "for God's sake man strap yourselves in"
[19:55:16] <BigJohnT> jymm yep looks like a halo
[19:55:28] <jymm> BigJohnT: the seatbelt was for the upcoming netsplit
[19:55:38] <BigJohnT> yep
[19:55:59] <alex_joni> jymm: they said it's back already
[19:56:02] <jymm> lol you lil devil... that's the ONLY way you'll see a halo for a while =)
[19:56:18] <jymm> @ BigJohnT
[19:56:30] <BigJohnT> LOL
[19:56:51] <jymm> alex_joni: Well, so did a 9yo girl sitting in front of a TV with static on the screen too!
[19:57:06] <skunkworks> BigJohnT: that is how we got these servos. http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSC_0242.JPG
[19:57:38] <BigJohnT> these are big like those
[20:06:49] <skunkworks> * there heeeeeeere
[20:07:38] <skunkworks> *they're Heeeeeeere
[20:09:14] <alex_joni> who is?
[20:12:56] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXv8CPPPG7g
[20:14:06] <skunkworks> wow - http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Lerman.JPG
[20:14:08] <skunkworks> bdi
[20:15:02] <alex_joni> http://eneas.juve.ro/~juve/emc/emc_running_win_xp.JPG
[20:15:22] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/AXIS.JPG
[20:15:54] <skunkworks> yikes
[20:16:23] <alex_joni> http://eneas.juve.ro/~juve/emc/59BE8D55.jpg
[20:17:16] <alex_joni> http://eneas.juve.ro/~juve/emc/irc.linuxcnc.org.jpg <- heh
[20:18:16] <skunkworks> :)
[20:18:20] <skunkworks> :)
[20:18:39] <skunkworks> huh - the last java update doesn't seem to like smiley faces
[20:18:41] <skunkworks> ;)
[20:19:00] <skunkworks> (they don't display here)
[20:21:43] <alex_joni> interesting: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=380084176422
[20:22:28] <alex_joni> I'm *soo* tempted to get that and put emc2 on it
[20:28:38] <skunkworks> Isn't that the brand your company likes to use?
[20:29:33] <alex_joni> yup.. I probably have *enough* info on it
[21:54:36] <ds3> AFAIK, yes
[21:54:39] <ds3> bah
[23:08:04] <alex_joni> good night all
[23:09:03] <BigJohnT> good night Alex