#emc | Logs for 2008-11-27

[00:05:11] <eric_u> Manchurian machinist
[00:05:54] <BlackMoon> self assembleing trojan horse?
[00:12:55] <JymmmEMC> Anyone have a 9V battery that puts out 10V by chance?
[00:13:53] <BlackMoon> ...no
[00:14:34] <JymmmEMC> BlackMoon: But you have a laytex fetish, so you don't count!
[00:14:55] <BlackMoon> battery potential is limited by chemical makeup and has a very narrow tollerance
[00:15:38] <eric_u> why do you need 10v
[00:15:46] <BlackMoon> and 9v's are just 6 1.5v cells
[00:16:13] <JymmmEMC> eric_u: cuz 9v aint enough?
[00:16:16] <eric_u> I ask because lipos put out 11.4
[00:16:26] <JymmmEMC> hipos?
[00:16:30] <eric_u> lipos
[00:16:48] <eric_u> 12.6 at full charge
[00:16:54] <eric_u> for 3 cells
[00:16:57] <JymmmEMC> as in Li-Poly's?
[00:17:23] <eric_u> you abbreviate your way, I'll abbreviate the way the rest of us abbreviate
[00:17:38] <JymmmEMC> lipo's
[00:17:46] <eric_u> no apostrophe
[00:18:11] <JymmmEMC> does it have a 9v battery clip?
[00:18:13] <eric_u> I think the a123 cells will get you closer to 10v
[00:18:19] <eric_u> no
[00:18:39] <eric_u> lipos have the advantage that you can get them in a lot of different sizes
[00:18:57] <eric_u> and put your own battery clip on there
[00:19:07] <JymmmEMC> 9v bat has the advantage of $0.12 battery clip =)
[00:19:30] <eric_u> yeah, but they don't put out 10v
[00:19:33] <BlackMoon> enjoy recharging that.
[00:19:39] <JymmmEMC> that too
[00:19:48] <BlackMoon> ... and why is 10v 'needed'
[00:19:56] <eric_u> might be a problem for some people
[00:20:00] <BlackMoon> you do know battery voltage falls majorly with discharge/load anyway
[00:20:20] <eric_u> you can charge a123 with a voltmeter and a 12v supply
[00:20:35] <BlackMoon> ... and wtf is a a123?
[00:20:45] <JymmmEMC> button cell battery
[00:20:47] <eric_u> brand of lefeo4
[00:20:50] <BlackMoon> lol
[00:21:30] <eric_u> a123 is the battery that's going into the chevy volt given that car has a future
[00:23:24] <eric_u> quick charge rate, high discharge rate relative to other chemistry
[00:45:54] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: You placing a digikey order any time soon?
[00:49:54] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, I don't have specific plans at the moment, but there probably will be one in the next few weeks
[00:50:11] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Ok, nm =)
[05:04:51] <ds3> @$%#$@#$ cheap lazy suzy's don't use ball bearings :(
[08:43:21] <Guest815> Hello! I need help with parallel port pci card installation. I have looked through the Wiki here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?NetMos but am still confused.. lspci -v lists Communication controller: NetMos Technology with I/O ports from cf00 to ca00. Is this really plug and play? Do I only have to specify loadrt hal_parport cfg="0xcd00" and the read and write functions? Thank you!
[08:45:37] <Guest815> The symptoms include that I am not even able to toggle EStop
[08:46:07] <Guest815> ok, never mind
[08:46:14] <Guest815> sorry. figured it out on my own
[08:46:27] <Guest815> the problem was the cfg="0xcd00"
[08:46:30] <Guest815> bye :D
[08:51:35] <JymmmEMC> ^^^ Proof that the EMC Self-Help Program really works!
[08:54:48] <toastydeath> hahahaha
[10:53:46] <Guest916> hello everybody!
[10:53:58] <archivist> ello
[10:54:04] <pjm__> morning
[10:54:42] <Guest916> I try to run emc2.2.5 under ubuntu 8.04 and I get the error message:
[10:54:45] <Guest916> emc/usr_intf/emcsh.cc 3813: can't connect to emc
[10:55:03] <Guest916> any ideas?
[10:55:32] <alex_joni> Guest916: can you pastebin the complete error log?
[10:55:34] <alex_joni> use pastebin.ca
[10:55:50] <alex_joni> the output from dmesg is also interesting
[10:57:09] <Guest916> ok
[11:02:28] <Guest916> http://pastebin.ca/1268525
[11:05:55] <alex_joni> hmm.. really odd
[11:06:02] <alex_joni> can you put the config dir somewhere?
[11:06:59] <alex_joni> I see you copied the sources from somewhere to your /home/sztaki/emc2.2.5 dir
[11:07:12] <alex_joni> did you compile with run-in-place?
[11:07:17] <alex_joni> s/compile/configure/
[11:09:22] <alex_joni> another strange thing is that: /home/sztaki/emc2.2.5/scripts/realtime start runs, but there's no messages in dmesg
[11:09:29] <alex_joni> did you maybe configure for simulator?
[11:09:35] <alex_joni> what's the output from uname -a ?
[11:12:25] <Guest916> I compiled it --run-in -place
[11:13:04] <Guest916> the output for uname -a is:
[11:13:06] <Guest916> Linux sztaki-desktop 2.6.24-16-rtai #1 Tue Sep 30 22:54:33 EEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:13:37] <alex_joni> ok, so far all looks good
[11:13:53] <alex_joni> can you try to run 'scripts/realtime start' and see what happens?
[11:14:11] <alex_joni> are you sure you sent the right dmesg portion?
[11:14:15] <Guest916> ok, I try
[11:14:47] <Guest916> ok, started without error message
[11:15:10] <alex_joni> run lsmod
[11:15:13] <alex_joni> and look for rtapi
[11:15:56] <Guest916> rtapi 33412 1 hal_lib rtai_math 22532 0 rtai_sem 22016 1 rtapi rtai_fifos 25760 1 rtapi rtai_sched 102160 3 rtapi,rtai_sem,rtai_fifos rtai_hal 38180 4 rtapi,rtai_sem,rtai_fifos,rtai_sched
[11:16:21] <Guest916> rtapi is insmoded
[11:16:29] <alex_joni> ok, that looks ok
[11:16:35] <alex_joni> try scripts/realtime stop
[11:16:43] <alex_joni> to unload everything again
[11:16:49] <alex_joni> then try running one of the sim configs..
[11:18:30] <Guest916> is it important wich sim I start?
[11:22:10] <Guest916> because I have a motenc lite card
[11:22:42] <Guest916> and I already changed the motenc.ini-file and the .hal files
[11:25:38] <alex_joni> run sim/tkemc
[11:25:56] <alex_joni> I figured you have a motenc card..
[11:26:16] <alex_joni> can you put the motenc config dir somewhere?
[11:27:14] <Guest916> where can I put it?
[11:30:13] <Guest916> I will try to make an ftp connection
[11:54:19] <alex_joni> can you email it?
[11:54:54] <alex_joni> ftp doesn't work from here
[12:01:18] <alex_joni> does sim/tkemc run?
[12:06:54] <alex_joni> ok, I see your problem
[12:07:11] <alex_joni> currently you only have a reference to loadrt.hal from your ini file
[12:07:21] <alex_joni> but in the loadrt.hal you have everything commented out
[12:09:08] <alex_joni> (in the mean time I got the right loadrt.hal via email :)
[12:09:21] <alex_joni> try moving the loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT line up
[12:09:26] <alex_joni> just after loadrt trivkins
[12:10:05] <alex_joni> do you really need 5 encoder and 5 stepgen modules in addition to the motenc?
[12:14:56] <alex_joni> I also notice you have the .tbl file missing
[13:00:49] <anonimasu> hello
[13:00:59] <anonimasu> hello
[13:03:50] <alex_joni> hi
[13:11:27] <anonimasu> I've got a issue :)
[13:11:38] <anonimasu> trying to figure out how to add a M code to the big mill
[13:15:45] <anonimasu> I want a g-code for mist/air cooling
[13:15:57] <anonimasu> or well, air to clear off chips :)
[13:16:37] <alex_joni> besides M8/M7 ?
[13:18:59] <anonimasu> oh, M07 isnt implemented
[13:20:49] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode_main.html#sub:M7,-M8,-M9:
[13:21:07] <anonimasu> yes, I know
[13:21:20] <anonimasu> :)
[13:21:27] <anonimasu> but, I dont have the M code in the control
[13:21:56] <alex_joni> ah, non-emc2 control?
[13:22:18] <anonimasu> ofcourse
[13:22:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni blinks
[13:22:28] <anonimasu> if it were emc it wouldnt be a issue really
[13:22:50] <anonimasu> :)
[13:23:37] <alex_joni> well.. convert it then
[13:24:06] <anonimasu> no way
[13:25:25] <archivist> you will be assimilated!
[13:25:44] <anonimasu> heh, I'd rather have a newer heidenhain control then emc sorry :/
[13:26:49] <archivist> add code that would make emc nicer then
[13:27:09] <anonimasu> pay me
[13:27:40] <anonimasu> :)
[13:28:07] <archivist> pay! you should work for the pleasure!
[13:29:24] <anonimasu> hehe
[13:29:36] <anonimasu> anyway replacing a working control that isnt old would be completely insane
[13:30:35] <archivist> pay the supplier for an upgrade to get the facility you want
[13:31:03] <anonimasu> archivist: working out how the plc works is fun too
[13:31:10] <anonimasu> archivist: I have the big tech book :p
[13:31:55] <archivist> I have a cheese roll
[13:32:10] <anonimasu> fun
[13:55:52] <BigJohnT> cradek: you around?
[13:56:08] <cradek> no, I'm sleeping in
[13:56:59] <alex_joni> heh :)
[13:57:03] <archivist> get up!
[13:57:08] <cradek> ok
[13:57:10] <BigJohnT> LOL, I was at a buddies machine shop the other day and was watching him run his Anilam lathe and they have the coolest thing
[13:57:27] <BigJohnT> I think it was G73 with a W1
[13:57:53] <BigJohnT> you could define the profile and the amount to rough off and that was the W1 part
[13:58:17] <BigJohnT> and the G73 defined the usual feeds, depth of cut etc.
[13:59:01] <BigJohnT> took him about 2 minutes to lay out a profile with several componets then cut it
[14:01:46] <cradek> sounds neat - I wish we had something like that
[14:02:43] <BigJohnT> you could have several profiles and call them with different W numbers from the same G73
[14:03:25] <BigJohnT> if you want more info on it next time I'm over there I'll get some...
[14:03:52] <cradek> I don't know if it was G73, but I read about a roughing cycle where you'd give it arguments representing the N numbers of the start and end of the profile or something like that
[14:04:21] <cradek> like P123 Q234 means the profile you want roughed is from N123 to N234
[14:04:57] <BigJohnT> that would be kind of like using O codes right
[14:06:57] <cradek> sort of, but it does a lot more than cut along the profile - it roughs out a region that's rectangular on the "outside" (+X, +Z) and the programmed profile on the "inside" (-X, -Z)
[14:07:19] <cradek> is that the kind of behavior you're talking about too?
[14:09:02] <BigJohnT> it roughed out the profile in straight lines even if the profile was different diameters, not sure if it is the same
[14:10:02] <cradek> yeah that's what I'm thinking too
[14:10:11] <cradek> I wonder if all lathe controls have something like that - seems useful.
[14:10:48] <BigJohnT> I don't know but I can ask him... he as several cnc lathes
[14:11:07] <BigJohnT> I'll try and get a better discription of it for you.
[14:11:48] <cradek> neat
[14:12:35] <BigJohnT> let me whip out a drawing to show you what I saw
[14:19:43] <BigJohnT> http://imagebin.ca/view/QP7f_bT.html
[14:20:12] <BigJohnT> the line with the circle and arrow was the lead in move
[14:20:37] <BigJohnT> the rest of the plain lines were the profile
[14:20:53] <cradek> looking...
[14:20:56] <BigJohnT> the last line with the arrow only was the amount of material to rough off
[14:21:07] <BigJohnT> the horz lines are the rough cuts
[14:22:23] <cradek> ok so it would rough to the left - after each pass did it move out a bit and rapid back to the right?
[14:22:41] <BigJohnT> yes, exactly
[14:22:46] <cradek> neat
[14:23:17] <BigJohnT> the profile was saved as a W number to be used in the G73
[14:23:48] <cradek> I wonder if it could handle the harder case where X goes back in somewhere along the path - like think of a ball shape
[14:23:56] <BigJohnT> he could pick from some standard shapes like horz lines, vert lines. angled lines. arcs etc
[14:24:02] <cradek> for that you could not cut it all with the left-cutting tool
[14:24:36] <BigJohnT> I would bet that you just define two W's one for the left cutting tool and one for the right cutting tool
[14:25:28] <cradek> oh sure - neither one would be the full profile - you'd just figure out how much could be cut with each tool yourself.
[14:25:46] <BigJohnT> yep
[14:26:17] <BigJohnT> the other neat thing the Anilam did was chamfer from the MPG
[14:26:45] <BigJohnT> he hit a chamfer button and the X and Z moved at a 45 to the spindle
[14:26:57] <BigJohnT> as he cranked the MPG back and forth
[14:27:10] <cradek> wild
[14:27:24] <cradek> (you could do that in HAL)
[14:27:50] <BigJohnT> then he hit the Z button and moved the tool a bit to the left and pressed the C button to chamfer a bit more
[14:28:53] <BigJohnT> he had three buttons to select what the MPG controlled X, Z, and Chamfer
[14:29:20] <cradek> ok let's make a deal - I'll do the chamfer thing, you do the roughing cycle
[14:29:31] <BigJohnT> :)
[14:29:54] <BigJohnT> the G73 roughed and finished
[14:30:05] <cradek> ok don't forget to have it finish too then
[14:30:22] <BigJohnT> let see we need this for V2.6
[14:30:34] <archivist> 2.2.6
[14:30:55] <BigJohnT> no V2.6, it might take me a while to brush up on my C
[14:31:02] <cradek> I've gotta run - thanks BigJohnT for something to think about
[14:31:09] <BigJohnT> ok see you later
[15:09:51] <mr_boo> hi
[15:10:10] <mr_boo> any folks around at this hour?
[15:50:10] <archivist> depends
[15:59:29] <mr_boo> got a consideration regarding an idea i've got
[15:59:56] <mr_boo> i guess at least some of you got some experience of real world cnc milling
[16:00:19] <mr_boo> my design idea looks like this, http://www.carmi.se/misterstarshine/img/sliders.png
[16:00:58] <mr_boo> wonder if those 'sliders' would be utterly difficult to mill in steel for example
[16:05:12] <archivist> not impossible, watch making quality work
[16:05:50] <mr_boo> made some futile experiments today
[16:06:08] <mr_boo> but i haven't even got a mill but tried to attach a small xy table to a drillpress
[16:06:38] <mr_boo> and tried with a 1mm drill that was deeply inserted into the chuck
[16:06:51] <archivist> drill press is far too sloppy for that sort of work
[16:07:00] <mr_boo> i noticed
[16:07:10] <mr_boo> result was a mess and drilled snapped too
[16:08:01] <mr_boo> are there cutting tools down to 1mm diameter?
[16:08:14] <archivist> yes
[16:08:33] <mr_boo> i believe high spindle speed is required then
[16:08:40] <mr_boo> and extremely slow feed
[16:08:50] <archivist> 1 mm end mill is not too expensive
[16:10:07] <mr_boo> a good precision cnc mill is though
[16:10:57] <archivist> I use 2mm end mills here some times
[16:12:15] <archivist> missing from drawing is thickness and shape of connecting gusset
[16:12:55] <mr_boo> actually the gusset will be filed down by hand afterwards
[16:13:13] <mr_boo> and thickness should be around 2mm
[16:13:21] <archivist> and accuracy needed, because there is more than one way of making
[16:14:07] <archivist> eg squashed tube parted off and soldered in pairs
[16:15:16] <archivist> or brazed
[17:28:53] <alex_joni> toaster?
[17:29:39] <archivist> probably toasts any electronics he makes :)
[17:31:11] <alex_joni> similar to MagicSmoker then?
[17:32:26] <archivist> :)
[17:33:07] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: how hard would it be to add something so we could open a python file with a button on a pyVCP panel in AXIS?
[17:33:18] <BigJohnT> like you do with file/open...
[17:33:25] <archivist> I must have a repair session one day and get some of my toys working again
[17:34:48] <BigJohnT> archivist: when your done come on by and you can help be rebuild my tractor
[17:36:18] <archivist> not done much tractor work
[17:37:03] <BigJohnT> me neither but it is not hard on the old ones
[17:42:34] <archivist> well try had cranking a single pot 20hp tractor
[17:42:42] <archivist> had hand
[17:43:57] <BigJohnT> from what I've seen at the local harvest festival if you don't know what you are doing you can get your arm broken.
[17:45:00] <archivist> http://www.ytmag.com/articles/artint117.htm evil toys to start
[17:45:12] <BigJohnT> or it just won't start :/
[17:45:55] <BigJohnT> mine is a late model with electrics :) and it is younger than me by a few years
[17:46:23] <archivist> oh new
[17:46:46] <BigJohnT> yes it is a 1956 model
[17:47:15] <archivist> hmm younger than me too
[17:47:33] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: explain..
[17:47:58] <BigJohnT> the tractor? or what I want to do in AXIS?
[17:49:58] <BigJohnT> archivist: here is a picture of what my tractor would look like if it had a new paint job http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9828/fergy_f40_dl.jpg
[17:50:55] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: what I have in mind is if I could open up a g-code generator from a button on the pyVCP panel instead of doing a file/open... search for the python file thing
[17:53:22] <BigJohnT> that would make it much easier to have g code generators at hand... something along the lines of what I was talking about with cradek this morning
[17:54:05] <BigJohnT> archivist: this one is exactly like mine even painted the wrong color like mine http://www.tractorshed.com/gallery/tphotos/a2366.gif
[17:55:04] <archivist> dont quite look like the grey fergies over here
[17:55:51] <BigJohnT> no, you guys have the TE 30's and such which is a slightly older tractor
[17:56:36] <archivist> fergyland is aboout 5 miles from here
[17:56:55] <BigJohnT> the F-40's were only produced in 55 and 56 for usa only
[17:57:00] <BigJohnT> cool
[17:58:27] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: not sure I see the benefit for that
[17:58:38] <alex_joni> what would happen after you ran the g-code generator?
[17:58:46] <alex_joni> does it write a file? does it pipe to emc2?
[17:58:54] <alex_joni> can you do this while a program is running?
[17:59:09] <BigJohnT> it pipes the output to emc2.
[17:59:38] <alex_joni> then by all means you probably need to run fil/open
[17:59:39] <BigJohnT> the advantage is for off the cuff type of work where you program on the fly
[18:00:08] <alex_joni> or maybe hack into AXIS and override open file with open a certain predefined file
[18:00:14] <alex_joni> but I can't say how you could do that
[18:00:44] <BigJohnT> I wasn't thinking along that line but rather some hal thingy that you could use
[18:01:15] <BigJohnT> to do a file open with the proper path and name in the config somehow
[18:01:19] <cradek> can you do 'O100 call' from MDI yet?
[18:01:35] <alex_joni> I think you can on TRUNK
[18:01:42] <BigJohnT> you can in trunk can't you
[18:01:45] <cradek> the use halui's mdi and you're done
[18:02:05] <alex_joni> halui's mdi?
[18:02:09] <BigJohnT> would that open a python file?
[18:02:30] <alex_joni> cradek: BigJohnT wants to open a python program which (after human interaction) generates a program
[18:02:31] <archivist> I think of a user that does standard parts and file load is a pain, he needs certain operations feeding to him with questions
[18:02:32] <cradek> oh I probably misuderstood
[18:02:50] <alex_joni> archivist: check out gwiz
[18:02:52] <cradek> well ignore me then
[18:02:59] <BigJohnT> cradek: along the lines of what we were talking about this morning
[18:03:23] <cradek> yeah file/open is the only way to open a 'filtered' thing
[18:03:53] <alex_joni> http://www.se-ltd.com/~lerman/gallery/v/G-Wiz/
[18:03:58] <BigJohnT> if you could press a button on a pyVCP panel and open up the profile generator for a lathe and do your thing then send the output to AXIS it would be almost as sweet as the Anilam
[18:03:59] <cradek> bbl
[18:05:07] <archivist> alex_joni, when gear making its not just a wizard its also the machine settings
[18:05:52] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: if you can convince jepler it's usefull.. maybe he'll tell you how to do it
[18:05:57] <archivist> and a repeat after first cuts to get closer to size
[18:06:16] <BigJohnT> ok
[18:06:47] <archivist> I know jepler is against the idea of what I need
[18:07:02] <BigJohnT> looks like the g wiz is the same as the g code generators I wrote and put on wiki
[18:07:20] <archivist> similar by the look of it
[18:08:15] <BigJohnT> all we need is some slick way to open the g code generators from the tool bar or something
[18:08:37] <archivist> or gcode to ask questions :)
[18:08:37] <DanielFalck> or open emc from the g-code generators
[18:09:48] <BigJohnT> that's a good idea DanielFalck but I'm thinking you will have EMC open all ready 99% of the time
[18:11:38] <BigJohnT> in the case of gear cutting archivist you could put in your parameters send the g code to AXIS do a test run... measure... open the gear program back up and change a paramater then generate the new code and run
[18:12:49] <archivist> BigJohnT, currently I shuffle the touch off and re run till to size
[18:13:14] <archivist> and set up is edit load loop a number of times
[18:13:58] <archivist> my gcode does all the rest of the looping needed
[18:22:12] <BigJohnT> looks like it could be in the INI file and added to the menu when AXIS is started without much trouble :)
[18:23:17] <BigJohnT> using inifile.find...
[18:23:55] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT wanders off to ponder the problem
[18:25:08] <SWPadnos> it might be possible to open a pipe or other "special file", and tell axis to reload it with axis-remote (from an external program, which actually feeds the g-code to AXIS)
[19:53:08] <anonimasu> mr_boo: thoose would be trivial to make
[19:53:42] <anonimasu> unless they are 1mm big :p
[19:55:20] <anonimasu> mr_boo: though spindle speed will be the limit on how fast you can make them
[19:59:21] <anonimasu> mr_boo: http://www.solectro.se/?Link=http://www.solectro.se/Products/Product.asp?ItemId=4043&SectionId=1074
[20:19:02] <Guest483> Hi, im looking to use EMC2 to control a 6-8 axis robot
[20:19:13] <Guest483> I have a few questions, is anyone online?
[20:20:33] <Guest483> Need to be able to set all joints to accept angle values, is this possible?
[20:20:44] <Guest483> also Im going to use two gecko 540s
[20:21:04] <Guest483> What serial cards are recomended for use with ubuntu?
[20:21:56] <Guest483> does anyone see any issues with runnin emc to control 8 axes? any setup tips? Any web pages that are recomended?
[20:29:08] <BigJohnT> hi guest483
[20:31:05] <alex_joni> too late
[20:31:18] <BigJohnT> yep, I just noticed that
[20:31:26] <BigJohnT> he didn't stick around long
[20:38:00] <alex_joni> I'm sure the answer to his question would have taken more than 2 minutes
[20:38:28] <BigJohnT> yep
[20:38:36] <BigJohnT> dang there is a lot of code in axis.py
[20:38:52] <alex_joni> hehehe
[20:38:58] <alex_joni> you haven't seen axis.tcl yet
[20:40:46] <BigJohnT> where is that?
[20:40:55] <alex_joni> I'm sure you'll find it :P
[20:41:06] <BigJohnT> :/
[20:43:34] <BigJohnT> ha it is only 2254 lines of code
[20:46:14] <alex_joni> after you finish with these I'll tell you about the other files :D
[20:46:43] <alex_joni> (luckily it's a loong weekend :D)
[20:48:05] <BigJohnT> ok, I just added a User Menu to AXIS :)
[20:48:21] <alex_joni> from xml?
[20:48:34] <BigJohnT> in axis.tcl
[20:49:00] <alex_joni> ah, that's cheating :P
[20:49:16] <alex_joni> you need to do it from the pyvcp xml :)
[20:49:24] <BigJohnT> I know it needs to based on the ini file
[20:49:37] <BigJohnT> or from the pyvcp
[20:50:28] <BigJohnT> well I need to get ready to deep fry a turkey
[20:50:40] <BigJohnT> get some more hints lined up for me
[20:51:02] <alex_joni> ha.. the next hint will involve a nice fluffy bed :D
[20:57:58] <BigJohnT> so how do you add a menu item with pyvcp xml?
[21:02:11] <ds3> fire extinguishers working? ;)
[21:02:13] <alex_joni> I have no idea :)
[21:05:16] <BigJohnT> I'm drinking beer now in case of fire
[21:10:58] <jack_> hei!
[21:11:01] <jack_> :-)
[21:11:08] <jack_> jack_ is now known as giacus
[21:11:43] <giacus> hello dear emc hackers :)
[21:11:57] <giacus> what's up ?
[21:12:40] <alex_joni> hey giacus
[21:12:47] <alex_joni> how goes the fishing?
[21:12:48] <giacus> hi alex_joni :)
[21:13:04] <giacus> going well!
[21:13:15] <alex_joni> perfect..
[21:13:17] <giacus> we are fihing :D
[21:13:20] <giacus> haha
[21:13:21] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is going to bed ;)
[21:13:28] <giacus> :P
[21:13:38] <giacus> have a fun ;)
[21:13:39] <alex_joni> giacus: will you be online the next few days? or is it a one time visit?
[21:13:43] <alex_joni> yeah, you too..
[21:13:57] <giacus> I think so
[21:14:12] <giacus> I should be around here
[21:14:17] <giacus> :)
[21:14:18] <alex_joni> ok.. see you
[21:14:26] <giacus> ciao :)
[21:14:29] <alex_joni> good night all (and happy thanksgiving where it applies)
[21:14:38] <alex_joni> buonna notte :)
[21:14:40] <giacus> GN :D
[21:14:41] <DanielFalck> thank you alex_joni
[21:15:22] <BigJohnT_> BigJohnT_ is now known as BigJohnT
[21:15:54] <giacus> * giacus going to listen a great great song!!!!
[21:16:04] <DanielFalck> which song?
[21:16:25] <giacus> try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQA4359xbkA
[21:16:34] <giacus> and let me know..
[21:16:37] <giacus> :P
[21:17:26] <DanielFalck> nice
[21:17:32] <giacus> :)
[21:17:32] <DanielFalck> thanks
[21:17:35] <giacus> love it
[21:21:49] <giacus> woahhh a guitar orgasm :D
[21:56:30] <JymmmEMC> Oh man... missed our italian friend
[21:56:40] <JymmmEMC> hey LawrenceG, Happy Thanksgiving
[22:00:57] <LawrenceG> JymmmEMC, hey.... no gobble gobble here.... but I am thinking of gravy and a golden roasted bird
[22:01:30] <LawrenceG> family next door is American... maybe I can score some leftovers!
[22:17:23] <BigJohnT> come on down here LawrenceG you can eat deep fried turkey with us
[22:19:05] <LawrenceG> cool.... can you email me a hot turkey sandwich PLEASE!!!!
[22:19:57] <LawrenceG> BigJohnT, I have never tried df turkey... how long does it take to cook?
[22:21:06] <LawrenceG> I have heard that the 25lbs of french fries cooked right after the turkey are awesum
[22:24:36] <BigJohnT> 45 minutes for a 12 pounder
[22:24:56] <BigJohnT> got to go carve it now ttul
[22:25:12] <LawrenceG> nice 4minutes/lb
[22:25:21] <LawrenceG> good eating