* BlackMoon ponders where the canadian mill/cnc supplyiers are :(
In Canada... DUH! ;)
I mean sure me buying a mill or CNC is probley a retarded idea
but its not like I want a new couch or bigscreen tv or some other stupid shit.
Yeah, useless pieces of crap
so what else I gonna spend it on?
The Wife/gf - if they have anything to say about it =)
Nope. don't have one
and I live by myself, allbe it in a rented house... nabors far enough not to complain about the noise of it running all night (IF they know whats good for em! id love to CNC some caltrops!)
At least, they don't complain any about my 5HP compressor running at night.
And no, I don't mean 5 peak hp, I mean 18CFM of 20A at 240v true 5HP :)
Sandblasting is fun.....
totally useless, get one of those 120PSI !@VDC jobbies
Its like cleaning without the work and noise.
caltrops are a nasty part to machine.
wish I knew what it is =)
[00:58:06] <anonimasu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrop
LAPD needs those =)
stop in the name of the law or i'll throw pointy things at you!!! and they will really hurt if you step on em!
anonimasu: Eh, the japanese version would probley be easy enough if you don't mind brazeing it togethor.
though that'd probley be more of a lathe then a CNC job
they arent a job for a machine really
more then making a mold ;)
Just curious.... When you are laying out things (for a mockup), and you need to make things not move ("clamp"), what do you use? Not tape as it i'll melt. But anything else? maybe mechanical? Small components.
anonimasu: lol well most of em are just 2 twisted wires
the dual tube thing welded is kinda cool
And gotta love what asshole put barbs on the iron caltrop hahah
I think the concept of them is stupid
BlackMoon: the hollow tube ones?
JymmmEMC: see wiki
JymmmEMC: why is your tape melting in a mockup?
im wondering the same thing :)
BlackMoon: It will when I apply heat =)
I mean the idea of a mockup is your not doing anything to it.
oh you mean welding fixture?
just looking, not burning, welding, etc
you are confusing terms
I just don't have the inclination to build a jig right now
JymmmEMC: what are you heating and why?
at this point you could be doing anything from hotglueing plastic to tig'ing exotic metals
or maybe using a hair dryer to cure a paint job, who knows
BlackMoon: Exactly. I'm lookigng for something to making any type of prototyipng easier is what I'm saying
Like a universal jog of sorts.
JymmmEMC: exactly, we'd like to know what material your working with
heh, I built one of those actualy.
JymmmEMC: there isnt a general solution to it that's easy and work for all cases
its a giant fucking arm made of 1 1/2" steel tubing and pivot/clamp sections
and the 'hand' has two trailer ball hitchs with a clamp to make it like 6 axis movement or someshit.
I guess a table with t slots is the closest ;)
but being as its like 3' long arm, its only good for holding shit within a few mm in midair at abritary positions
but can support a couple lb
great for welding and such.
BlackMoon: It could be anything (honestly), I've had cases where I could have used such a thing many times. Up to around 500 deg F, and prefer electrically insulated too, but not a biggy.
they also make 'clamping' kits that come wiht like 2 dozen sloted bars with steps and knurls and long high grade bolts and shit
all sorts of shapes to clamp whatever you could want togethor
hi all just looking for a few heads up. My other half runs a toy company and the chap who makes a load of stuff for us is packing up. He has offered to sell me all his equipment (cnc machine) I am going to have to go on a very fast learning curve. what do I need to read up on? what software do I need to start to learn?
clamping kit for a mill..
I try to use open source where I can
are you a machinist but don't know cnc?
anonimasu: Not sure if its for a mill or not.. iv just seen very large 'clamping kits' on for sale at the local tool store. looks to be all facny hardened steel
zim: do you already know machining and CNC?
becoming a machinist is step 1, and the harder one
then the software is the least of your worries
like i said learing curve/cliff
yea the software is easy, its knowing wtf to do with the software thats hard :)
zim: if you have a chance have him help you learn the cam program he's using
And not cracking the mechine/tooling/workpeice in half.
zim: I don't know anything about your situation, or the guy who is closing up shop
one day i'll progress from fab to mechineing...
and see if you can get that included if it's good when you are buying he's machines
I plan on doing that but would like to start using opensource ASAP
if it is any bit the tiniest shop, you are talking about suddenly taking position of literally several TONS of stuff that you don't know anything about
there isnt a opensource solution to cam programs
why would you want to do that?
zim: source lisence on your cam program is the LEAST of your worrys
besides, its allready BOUGHT
cam programs are a major investment too if you need to buy them new
I mean id assume dude selling CNC is also gonna sell ya whatever software he was using
and the tooling
ok but support is not and having an irc # is worth alot
sounds like hes just gonna quit CNC'ing alltogethor or someshit.
you miss the point
zim: Support? for opensores?
zim: anonimasu is right, - you are missing the forest for the trees
zim: your big issue is that you need to first learn how to set the machine up..
no support, for any software, is going to teach you to be a machinist
ie load parts..
zim: your argueing over what brand of hammer to use when you have a house to learn how to make.
then if you want to actually produce stuff, buy a cam program.
ok in short where do I start
start with "why am I doing this?"
do you want to be a machinist?
Its really not important, and you really should'nt be having 'problems' with the software.. your problems will come from snaping tools in half when you screwup and diving the remaining bit of the tool into your workpeice
or worse, CUTING RIGHT INTO THE CNC TABLE
do you simply want to make the parts that this guys is making for you now?
(Yes you CAN easily instruct a CNC to cut itself into peices, on the first use)
ok where do I start?
if you can take a class
Note, machinist != 2 week nightschool. Making the parts that currently have programs = a 2 week nightschool.
zim: do you simply want to make the parts that this guys is making for you now?
that's a start
yes but will want to start adding stuff
zim: how soon?
zim: and in what time frame do you want to learn all you need to in?
zim: I would ask the guy to help me get started before he closes up
he is packing up at the end of DEC so in jan
zim: do you have a photographic memory?
he said he would help
zim: what size of machine(s) are we talking about here?
no but I am very quick with new things
AXYZ millenium CNC 1 meter bed
do you know what it weighs?
just a baby
do you know where you are going to put it?
do you know how much power it needs? (voltage, current, phase)
no and yes
oh a router
tip: Stairs are not involved.
[01:20:47] <anonimasu> http://www.rmtc-edu.com/cnc_products/images/axyz_millennium.jpg
Removal of walls, may be involved.
like that right?
Awww thats cute
yes very cute
can I have one mommy? I promise to feed it and bath it and take care of it?!?!?
that's it, just the one machine?
its not huge production
ok, this suddenly got a LITTLE saner
I thought a vmc :p
btw he want £4000 for it is that fair?
jmkasunich: look at the spindle on that thing first =)
yea I was expecting like 2 tons lol
I have no clue what that thing is worth
JymmmEMC: thats not really the motor is it? lol
the quesion to ask is how fast can it pay itself
BlackMoon: I think it is, and the pwr cord hanging down
I don't know much about routers, and since I'm a hobbiest, if I did need a router, I'd build one because I can't afford the crazy prices for pre-made ones
zim: Just curious, what's he asking for it?
zim: what kinda stuff do you make on that anyway?
jmkasunich: where do you live?
JymmmEMC: he just said
JymmmEMC: he just said 4000 pounds (brit money)
zim: cleveland ohio usa
$6000 USD, ouch
zim: Does it look in good condition? Did you ever hear him previously curseing it every time you walk by his shop? :P
[01:25:21] <JymmmEMC> http://www.axyz.com/table_mill.html
A canook company
:) BTW this is the kind of thing I will be making
[01:26:00] <zim> http://www.juliphorses.com/shop/index.php?cPath=32_41
mm vacuum table.
with an office in Cincinatti
ok this just became more sane :)
yea that shit you could probley learn to do easily
I am not trying to build a space ship
I was thinking you wanted to like mill metal mechanisims or something.
just cut up MDF
Uh oh.... http://www.axyz.com/toolpath_software.html
I did'nt know they made MDF that thin.
" our propriatary "ToolPath" software,"
which is why I am here
can I make this thing sing with linux?
Good luck cracking there propriatary I/O interface to use your nonexistant opensores solution.
... GOD DAMN LINUX $#()@*#)(%)@#...
No it doesnt matter what god damn OS your CNC runs.
zim: EMC is an open source _control_ - the part that reads g-code and runs the motor
* BlackMoon smashs head into keyboard
CAM is the part that takes your drawing and makes the g-code
zim: Yes, but probably not easily and it's probably not worthwhile if you just want to cut stuff
unfortunately there is not really much (any) good open source CAM
I got that fron the website
i feel like chicken tonight
zim: question, can you take your car and make it burn diesel? Yes, but not without so much work all your left with is the old shell of a car you started with!
BlackMoon: nice analogy
zim: Just make sure that the mfg will honor any/all licenses being trasnfered to you.
what I was asking and you guys have answered was is there an all singing open source set of apps / answer NO
you might be able to use a opensource program to export your drawings
and import them in the program for the machine
zim: mfg == manufacture
full awnser is: No and your much better off sticking with whatever currently runs the CNC
zim, there are a bunch of steps getting from idea to machined part
anonimasu: Id SERIOUSLY hope you could do that :)
a CNC that doesnt accept g-code would be pertty lame :(
design software is step 1
BlackMoon: it says so on their page
CAM software to translate those designs to machinable paths is step 2
control software to run the machine and make it follow those paths is step 3 (and is what EMC2 does for you)
there are drawing programs on Linux, I don't know if you use any of them (xfig, kicad, openoffice draw ...)
zim: the starting point is to watch the current owner do stuff with it and listen to how it sounds while cutting properly
there aren't really good CAM programs for Linux, as jmkasunich pointed out
and ask about feeds/speeds/tooling
and how to actually zero a part
ty for all the advice
yea cause if you screw that up all your profit will be eaten up replaceing tools you wore out in a couple parts
knowing how a proper cut sounds is a good thing
zim: Ask the guy to show you have to fabricate a part from start to finish.
(cuting MFD bits should last.. a very very long time unless you mess up :)
so its not just a case of pushing play :(
And thats good cause they are like $20+
zim: once you have the part programmed yes
zim, it depends on how much of the work you do now
and the pat set up..
zim: No, even to make existing parts that are fully programed you at least know how to zero the mechine and clean it up and maintain it.
and clamp everything in securely
zim: Sure you can hit play, but if not done properly you could have a $4000 lup of metal when your done.
if you make drawings and have the shop machine them, then you're a good portion of the way there already (depending on how much they have to "fix" your data :) )
(If you don't zero the mechine, as I said you can easily start cuting holes in the CNC table when you hit 'play'
if you're buying the machine and the software, the thing to do is use the provided software for a while, until you learn what using the machine is like
SWPadnos, sorry for the lapse, wich cheap encoder do u recomend?
Memphis, I have no recommendation, but I've seen people talk about Renco and USDigital
* anonimasu started feeling like machining stuff
zim: Take a video camera with you and record the training session so you can replay it and often as you need to.
ty guys my hill is now a mountain
as it should be!
heh - lots to know when you jump into a new field :)
theres a reason he was a full time employee who just mucked with the CNC!
and it wasent because he was lazy either
zim: Oh btw.. If you didn't know, maching MDF without proper ventilation is toxic =)
if you have a specific set of requirements, you should be able to learn enough to get going pretty quickly - you can probably ask the guy to tell you about any specific things he's got to do to make your stuff
JymmmEMC: I love the smell of toxic burning glue and cuting lube in the morning!
anyone have sem servos?
that no problem we have a workshopfor other stuff
cutting outlines in 1/16 or 1/8 MDF is a pretty specific thing, so you don't have to know everything there is to know about machines to do it
BlackMoon: Hey if it was JSUT glue, no problem, but MDF has fun stuff in it =)
zim: NOT FANS, dust control
JymmmEMC: oh, like recycled pressure treated wood?
anyone here from the uk
* BlackMoon seems to recall arsonic or something used in some treated wood..
zim: You need dust control... it's such a fine powder that is VERY VERY easily breathed in.
BlackMoon: Like formaldehyde
I hate MDF :)
I'm going to throw this around before I go to bed http://imagebin.org/32185
pretty shiny things
you know what scares me the most? those new homes with 'structural' I beams made outta chipboard, those will be wonderful when the first leak occures
i need a recomendation on encoders for a sem mt30 servo.... any ideas anyone?
zim: Iv seen what happens after it gets in extended contact with water
Contains urea-formaldehyde which may cause eye and lung irritation when cutting and sanding
yes, decide on the resolution you want, the mounting type you need, and a budget. then use google
or extended perodic contact with water.
SWPadnos, still confused on that mounting type.. lol
[01:40:56] <JymmmEMC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea-formaldehyde
ie: turns into moldy chips of crap
I'm looking again - I don't know that it was in the manual
I much perfer the plywoods and solid woods.
[01:41:38] <JymmmEMC> http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/37-9.htm
[01:41:47] <zim> http://www.juliphorses.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=32_41&products_id=213
BlackMoon: proven carcinogen in rats
Memphis, it looks like it's a 7mm shaft, and they don't seem to have a standard encoder recess
ok, one sec
JymmmEMC: more reasons to hate MDF
SWPadnos, thanks for the help.
BlackMoon: Awesome stuff to machine though
BlackMoon: Sucks to paint cut edges though
[01:43:20] <anonimasu> http://www.cncpartsdept.com/images/new/lrg-sem-motor.jpg
what the best?
JymmmEMC: try trimclad paint
its like painting with liquid tar
Isent the problem with hte cut edges that it asorbs your paint?
anonimasu, thats kinda the same thing just a newer version
ah well, night
err yea tremclad
anonimasu, night man.
mainly there antirust metal paint
its seriously like painting with tar
what would you guy use for making this? http://www.juliphorses.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=32_37&products_id=155
if you do it right one coat will give you a thick no streak finish
click image for a bigger picture
is that wood?
zim: how thick are the walls?
stamped sheet metal! j/k
oh wow that thing is BIG
it a TOY
yea but i was thinking these where like, 3" tall toys
thats like allmost big enough for small kid to ride on lol
nope big by toy standards
they do :)
i wanna mill out some guns.
should'nt be suprised
I made lego as a kid strong enough to ride on.. :P
hexadecimal wheel geardrive FTW!
anyway what would you use?
because I hate MDF?
some kinda cheap plastic
cheap plastic -_-
keep the thickness like 3/16" maybe
err cheap machineable plastic isnt really something you find easily
whould not be a wood toy then look at the price tag
anonimasu: well they arnt really machineing so much as just cuting out...
if you are doing alot consistency prevails..
well I hope your at least using some serious lead based paint for those suckers so water doesnt cause em to decay.
the only thing that is not strate cut are slots ie half cuts
they need to be wood(MDF if you call that wood) to ask £96 for them
MDF isent so bad I guess if you religiously seal it in a layer of titanium.. or hard enamel I guess would work too pending lack of budget for titanium.
your just painting it anyway...
and cheap stained glass windows in the areas you don't paint!
kids and broken glass != good
Ok so maybe my ideas arnt all the greatest and im best ignored :(
Memphis, can you take a photo of the back end of the motor (under the cap of course) and stick it somewhere on the web?
:) would you pay $150 for that?
anonimasu: nono, just bits of recycled plastic fused to gethor that look like stained glass
Personally, I'd be leary of a child's toy made from MDF.
SWPadnos, i cant now, maby next week. im away from the machine
ok. I can't find info on the web, and it's hard to tell what might fit
JymmmEMC: yea, if they did'nt use a good lead based paint, it will mold and decay the first time they spill juice on it and let it soak in
BlackMoon: shush you!
SWPadnos, ill get back to u thanks!
JymmmEMC: why? we cant use real wood toy safty standards.
there are usually several threaded holes around a recessed circle for mounting aqn encoder, but I don't know if it has those
Come on, lead based paints are good. someones gotta use up this stockpile I have in the basement :(
china stoped buying my lead based red :(
and without knowing that, there's no way to tell what might fit, or how to mount it
BlackMoon: make a faraday cage
zim: LOL! might get a splinter!
zim: I'd use russian plywood instead
whats russian plywood?
i hate health and safty ( the fun police)
BlackMoon: google it
fun police lol
'RUSSIAN BIRCH PLYWOOD is made by gluing together a multiple plies of birch veneer. There is always an odd number of veneers and each ply is at a right angle to the one below, which gives the material superior stability and strength. The type of glue and the thickness of plywood determine the suitability of a sheet for a particular application.
ah, so its plywood with 4x the plys.
used in RC planes and such
BlackMoon: I've seen 7 ply only 1/4" thick
heh, I paneled some rooms in my house with normal 3 ply (or was it 5) 1/8" paneling
its basicly like building walls with industral cardboard.
this is some tough stuff
yea this was too, it did'nt crack in half under its own weight lol
supriseing for a 4x8' panel of the stuff
though it warped a lot with moisture and painting -_-;
anyway thanks for you your help all. ZzZzZzZzZ 02:00 here
[02:00:41] <BlackMoon> http://www.thomescanada.com/html/acplywood.html
kinda amazeing to think of aircraft made outta wood eh? :)
Flying trees powered by dead dinosores!
better than flying dinos powered by dead trees!
I don't know, you might surive a dino shit landing on ya.. Not so much with what the F16's shit on ya...
If an F16 is made from wood, we have much bigger problems =)
I think some of the WW2 aircraft where still made (partly) from wood..
were F16's around in WW2?
plywood D-day gliders
JymmmEMC: Heh no
JymmmEMC: I sure hope you are joking
jmkasunich: Like I was around in WW2... (and I have no interest in aviation history/hobby like some do)
WW2 was back when man only had his propellers and MANUAL cannon aiming systems
none of that leader pip shit!
WW2 was 60+ years ago, planes had propellors (with one exception at the end, which was german)
Well, one aircraft had a gyro system but you had to select the type of aircraft, and then calibrate hte sight untill the rectile was the same width as the wingspan of the aircraft (to calibrate distance)
And thats really hard when someone else is shooting at you and your trying to get on the tail of the guy infront of you
* BlackMoon may of played to much IL2
you know if your really good at math in your head, you can sometimes manage to take out other aircraft with timed unguided rockets, That really suprises people on the other end of em... hahha
crap.... need a 45deg mold =(
I saw some 45 degree mold on my lawn this weekend- lots of it
you suck, all my mushrooms grow at 90 degrees
what kind of mushrooms are we talking about now
toastydeath: no, not THOSE kind
Hey, HF has T-Track
not necessarily for metal machining, but for woodworking
[02:35:52] <JymmmEMC> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=98608
This is getting sad... nothing around here 45 deg and 1/4" or thicker... argh
how about your combonation square?
or is this more a ruinage usage?
it doens't com to enough of a point
I'm using it as a bending jig
can't you just use a standard metal brake and not bend past 45 degrees?
30 60 and 90 deg I got, just not 45.
sorry, wire bending jig
Got mig? :)
even if I did, would still need 45 deg jig =)
welders magnet, or just do it by eye, tack, and hammer to 45 degrees according to angle finder
but guess you don't so nm
could make a 45 degree intersection with two L brackets mounted to the backing (I assume theres some backing to mount em to)
using angle finder to insure its at 45 degrees
mmm do you have a picture of an example jig? I just can't picture it
Yeah, a piece of MDF cut on a 45 deg angle =)
oh neat, you found here
yes it was a long trip across the wastelands but I finaly found it.
and they where all like 'all the mills within 1000 miles of you suck ass' :(
found out round column mills suck because they only allow fine control on the quill, not the column -_-;
I thought they'd have like another dovetail to move the entire column 4" up/down but just a lame quill? meh.
renesis: that CNC ready thingy you showed me what was that url again?
get a taig
well yea thats what I just asked haha
[02:58:55] <renesis> http://cgi.ebay.com/Taig-cnc-vmc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router_W0QQitemZ150310940896QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item150310940896&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
weakness is the Y
its actually way less than 5.5 if you part is higher than maybe 1.5" or whatever
because of interference with column and leadscrew hardware
yea I kinda wondered why the motor wasent mounted the other way around lol
renesis: anything a bit more beefy?
for the price?
doubt it, max nc might have better envelope figures
if its turnkey
[03:07:29] <BlackMoon> http://www.maxnc.com/maxnc_table_top_vertical_mills%20quick%20ref.htm
if you spend $2k on that you can easily spend another $1K on tooling and inspection gear
rofl at dremel based one
yea I understand.
NC 15 has a better Y
but less X
def more Z
[03:09:08] <BlackMoon> http://www.maxnc.com/maxnc_15_open_loop.htm
isent to bad..
pussy spindel though, are they all that tiny?
and pussy steppers.
looks like for 3 grand you could get it loaded with 14" X 8" Y and 10" Z
and 1/2HP spindle
mmm 0.2mil position/repeatability..
the taig construction looks more hardcore
just says tapered collet for spindle type
I fucking hate people
'Shipping Method' '... ALL GREYED OUT BITCH GO AWAY'
click continune 'Shipping Method is required'
Did I mention I fucking hate americans...
is it so much to program.. at least one site to deal with canadians?
it even had 'state/prov' as one of the entrence boxes.. so I know someone at least copyed the form form someone who had a clue canada existed and had money to buy things...
moon where you at??
he's in jamaca
BlackMoon: No Canada doens't exist, it's a figment of your imagination.
Actually, I don't ship outside the US, and more specifically I ship to no place that requires a customs form, so that includes AFO/APO addresses as well.
why is filling out the value I payed for something so hard?
Just don't use UPS.
(they charge, weeks later, $40 brokerage fee + taxes, reguardless of item cost)
I'm not waiting in line at the post office for 20 minutes just to ship a $10 item
Shitty post office.
damn canooks! =)
damn canooks... they want their poutine and to eat it too!
thats the french
they need to be shot.
or set adrift once we'r done forceing em all east
[03:49:54] <BlackMoon> http://cgi.ebay.com/Taig-cnc-vmc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router_W0QQitemZ150310940896QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116#ebayphotohosting
If nobody can suggest better I think maybe thats what im gonna get....
when I see those prices I realize just how good a deal 25-year-old machines ripe for retrofitting are
Yea, if you can get 2 tons of 3phase mechinery into your house
yep that's sure the question
also when you take into account skill needed to retro fit, and insure its a good mechine..
SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
Anyone heard of sherline CNC mills before?
I mean we should have.. they use emc
haha, any good for mild steel work?
I found a local dealer of em... kinda small table travel and doesnt exactly look all that sturdy.. :( http://www.sherline.com/images/8540pic3.jpg
I guess I should just keep looking lol
* BlackMoon ponders wtf he would enter into yellowpages.ca to come up with a list of places that might sell CNC's..
'cnc' just comes up with machine shops
Who probley kinda wanna, keep thier CNC's
probably ok for plastics and other soft stuff
maybe aluminum even
Ok so lame f that.
am I gonna find anything like a tiag local for under 4k? :(
it's a tiny machine :)
did you check out smithy?
[11:11:24] <alex_joni> http://www.smithy.com/product_home.php?cid=11&scid=16&pid=1006
i'll buy that for a dollar.
or 2... 000....
CNC-622 Bed Mill with SmithyCNC PC Ready Control Option
wee bit outta my pricerange :'(
you did say 4k :)
4.7 > 4
Also they are in USA
live next to the biggest damn city in this country theres gotta be something
BlackMoon:i have one of the sherline cnc
piasdom: Bet its no good for mild steel eh?
don't think i would do so good
BlackMoon:the most i can take is about .02" x .9" deep
[12:12:07] <BlackMoon> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150310940896
i'll probley just try and snag that..
BlackMoon:the best i can get the backlash is about .003 to .004.....
BlackMoon:and that is what THEY say is the best i can get
wonder what it is on the tiag
BlackMoon:but all i work with is alum.
retrofitting an old cnc gets a bettermachine, or can do
or build from scratch
archivist:wish i had the room for one....i'm in a n office building in a cubicle :)
* archivist is in a church
archivist:would love to retrofix one....can't build from scratch
Iv considered retrofit
but then my brother looked at me really funny when I asked him how to get a 2000lb mechine down my basement stairs
and while I could set it up in the living room, id give it 20 seconds before it falls right through the floor into the basement
BlackMoon:just put ya'll back into it :)
and while that would get it into the basement, I think it would be a wee bit.. broken
there are some people who prop the floor
also no 3phase
get inverter for 3 phase
BlackMoon:the tiag looks like the sherline
alex_joni, yes 1913 prefab church, now clockworks
piasdom: don't you actually mean taig?
piasdom: the taig looks MUCH more beefy in the Z axis
looks to actualy have some kinda square column.. the sherline looked just like a flabby bar.
BlackMoon:maybe...but i has to move more weight
BlackMoon: sherline bar = .75" x 1.5" :)
alex_joni, this one is 10 miles from here http://www.corrugated-iron-club.info/will04.html
BlackMoon: look at the different between the taig and the sherline..the taig has a light switch :)
[12:25:50] <BlackMoon> http://www.taigtools.com/cmill.html
if you look there hte taig column looks like, 2" by 2" or something maybe
alex_joni, condition closer to ours http://www.corrugated-iron-club.info/edwardes.html
hahahaha hey its a fancy BLUE light switch!
BlackMoon: can't see it the 2" is solid or just covering
well its 85lb so probley hollow
BlackMoon: it weights more then sherline :)
but its got 12x5.5x6" travel
thats much much more then the sherline
BlackMoon: yes..i only get about 8x4x5"
according to datasheet you should get like 8 5 6"
9" insted of 8 if you remove the stop screw and are realllyyy careful :P
BlackMoon: you can always improve the taig
true, I guess I could like bolt a bigger table on there eh?
BlackMoon: i got mine screwed down to a 2 - 2"x3"x6" blocks
hows that help?
BlackMoon: stable now...before machine would move :)
BlackMoon: i does great for what i do
* BlackMoon remembers his first generator trying to runaway on him till he straped bits of bicycle tread onto the 'post' leg
(2 wheels + post setup)
BlackMoon: maybe you could get the 2000 lbs machine and let it walk itself to the basement :)
well ok its my only generator but some day im gonna put a motor on it that doesnt piss oil and it will be useful!
12v generators + 1.2KW truesine inverter = cool, you can trottle it wayy back!
'now wheres the G code for hop forward'
BlackMoon: Gh basement
BlackMoon, suits you http://cgi.ebay.ca/HECKERT-UNIVERSAL-MILLING-MACHINE-FU400-VI-2-APUG_W0QQitemZ360110602423QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Mills?hash=item360110602423&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
BlackMoon: maybe the should be -basement with a p to pause at each step
hahaha at giant fuse box
get xy table and http://cgi.ebay.ca/Myford-lathe-milling-attachment-emco_W0QQitemZ280289109245QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Tool_Work_Holding?hash=item280289109245&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
archivist:now that would be solid
no column mills kthxbye
motorized quill = lame
I'd comment on that, but i'll let that one slip
fragalot: i'll sell my truck for a dollar...but shipping is 30000.00
piasdom: that's pretty much what everything comes down to
BlackMoon: the quill doen't look motorized
fragalot: i see that a lot everywhere now
piasdom: its not, id have to add it
since I can't motorize the column
so your previous comment made no sense?
BlackMoon: i mean this looks like it has belt to the motor
BlackMoon: or are you talking about the z movement ?
* fragalot puts piasdoms cellphone in the microwave
fragalot: don't you need to be in school :) ?
been here for quite some time, first 2hr m$ speech, after that the software design teacher took off, so we got some time off, ate something, now i'm here for an hour of microcontrollers
fragalot: then leave me phone alone and pay attention to the Nun
piasdom: he's jst sitting there...
BlackMoon: ok...i misunderstood
fragalot: go poke him...is he old ?
piasdom: ~42 i think
most of the time, he spends time on the phone talking to the contractors building his house
(who'm mess up quite often, breaking water pipes, cracking tiles.... it's sad really)
fragalot: our teacher at work and they want raises :)
fragalot: well...ya'll must be like ours
lol, somebodies msn came online, beeped, then a movie started playing (ad) ... with his sound maxed from watching a movie not too long ago
BlackMoon: just a motor to the z
BlackMoon: you'll have to for x and y anyway
fragalot: did the teach notice ?
piasdom: just looked up, then back down to his screen
talking a lil' about bluetooth meanwhile
fragalot: well,he's not dead hahahhaa
might aswell be, nobody is paying attention anyways
fragalot: what are you suppose to be doing ?
only reason i'm not playing games is that another teacher is sitting behind me......
piasdom: theoretical stuff behind µC's
piasdom: the problem is the quill isent stable when extended
fragalot: get to work
piasdom: can't really do much but listen.........
our µC devboards we built don't have a bluetooth module...
half the laptops don't have it either
BlackMoon: i don't understand then ... you don't need to extend the quill
fragalot: someone is actually teaching something ?
piasdom: hardly :p
BlackMoon: i don't understand then ... unless you need the height
well id like to be able to mill more then an inch
without totaly losing my X/Y accuracy
BlackMoon: those things weren't exactly designed for that purpose anyway
BlackMoon: it looks like it would be about 3" to 4"....after mounting the table
Isent that kinda the reason.. I DON'T WANT ONE?
Hello All :-)
I have been given a 3ph 2HP motor (YAY) What size motor caps should I try as a starting point for both Start and Run ....?
BTW Motor is to be used as an idler for a 3 pahse converter.
see article SWPadnos poited at the other day, see logs of chan
[13:07:31] <BlackMoon> http://www.boners.com/content/807766.1.jpg
Worst tron cosplayer EVER
so you wont fight me for that one on fleabay near here
archivist: Na it your ;-)
WTH ... Nah it's yours! ;-)
got some bits I wasnt expecting on my ebay collection this morning lenses from a shadowgraph
stustev: how is the machine coming?
[13:30:42] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68784
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-11-26.txt
[13:43:34] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0udMBdo0Rac
question, how do they edit out adems lisp for mythbusters?
hahahhahahahahahahahahahhaha at 5:00+
skunkworks: i don't understand where the gpu came in for the mona lisa
skunkworks: i get the cpu for the happy face
sort of a neat explaination..
hmm, another piece of precision scrap successfully machined :p
though GPU's arnt frame at once, they do multiple pixels at once
hence why you can't feedback results of adjacent pixels into a shader
(ie you can't read/write to the same texture in pixel shaders)
BlackMoon: thanks that's cool
Hell, untill recently gpu's did'nt even have branching capability
(PS3.0 introduces that)
PS2.0 could fake it by multiplying stuff with 0 or 1 (but executed both sides of the branch anyway)
PS1 I don't think had the int math capability to do boolan ops for the fake if statements.
but i looks like they just turned the air on and the balls came out of where they were placed before...just physic..no comp.
lol yea, mythbusters is just a show man :)
you can't take anything they do to seriously
i know the show
it's gpu i didn't understand
of course, cpus havent been fully serial since like 486 or somesuch
parallel execution of unrelated instructions and all that sillyness
So the line is bluring more and more, but generaly CPU = logic/int/branching king, gpu = fpu/math king.
(GPU's and DSP's are highly related)
<---getting headache :)
k i'll stop :P
* piasdom ACTION
piasdom: stop making my eyes hurt.
* piasdom ACTION
cradek_ is now known as cradek
* piasdom die ?
Yea thats the perferable way of not puting red shit all over the channel
though im not exactly sure how or why purple is better... but whatever.
(Yea ya I know other clients have other colors but whatever..)
BlackMoon: thanks don't understand irc to well......use it to chat and learn
but yea. /me is the accepted way. ctcp action = fail
even though internaly /me is some weird ctcp or something iirc... or was it a weird prvmsg.. I forget
protocols are weird.
didn't get any message
not emc but opensource http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7876661673.html?kc=rss
piasdom: its interpeted by your client as
* BlackMoon blah blah blah
but internaly its some wack shit
and is hacked onto the protocol or something and became some standard the clients interpet now.
basicly though don't use ctcp, it annoys people :P
think i get it now
i'll work on that later(die)
id also recommend die'ing less.. its bad for your health.
and my complection
piasdom: if you want to play, make and join your own channel, then you won't be bugging anyone else.
* piasdom appogizes
Unwanted CTCP is kinda like taking a road trip with the kid in the back seat going "are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?" and you just wanna turn around and smack the kid upside his head =)
* SWPadnos smacks jymm
SWPadnos: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your bed tonight!
no, that was last night
hmmm. I wonder if camels have fleas
* archivist was thinking of a harder punishment for jymm
may the spit and other fluid excretions of a thousand camels infest your bed tonight
SWPadnos: We really don't want to hear about your fetishes, mkay
somehow I doubt that
Curious, anyone know the laws regarding toying with minor explosives/pyrotechnics? Home made, but smaller than a safe-and-sane bloom floor (if you know what that is)?
you could probably get an idea by looking at fireworks rules
SWPadnos: Then I wouldn't even be able to light a match
oh, I thought fireworks were allowed in CA
Most counties in Calif don't even allow safe-and-sane fireworks
was the same here until a few years ago - no fireworks of any kind
I had to go to Alameda County to buy this year.
I wonder if I get a explosive mfg permit from the ATM would get me my "get out of jail free" card.
$200/yr - bastards!
Even with the Feds, it's reasonable to assume that a mfg needs to TEST theri products, right?
the other option is to not blow shit up
Nah, I don't want to blow up anything, just effects
I was never into firecrackers or M80's and the like that much... I just like the purrrrty colors
copper makes green, forget what makes blue and red
In speed contests between expert Morse code operators and expert cellphone SMS text messaging users, Morse code has consistently won.
unfortunately, the morse coders are getting older and the texters are gettin gyounger
I had a morse code reader and an old naval guy could do some fantastic speeds
they had shortened words and cheated same as txters do
TEXTING MORSE CODE, THE NEXT EVOLUTION!
Here's a Taig dealer, doesn't ship to Canada, but links to a Canadia dealer andone who ships to canada.
it's like level 2 Braille
That was weird - sorry about that.
heh. thanks... other then the flood..
[16:21:07] <eric_u> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7gDYObipjg&eurl=http://frameforum.org/forum3/index.php?topic=1650.0&feature=player_embedded
'We will be happy to send you a catalog ...with your first order!'
Right, hi id like... to order something completely random just so I can get your catalog and see wtf you sell
A friend was a retired radio man for the coast guard, 20 years later he could still copy morse code at 100 wpm.
I find the useless skills stick with me longer
Well, that was the fastest the encoder could go, but I suspect he could read much faster than that.
there has to be an upper limit
on how many words you can send
only limitation is one's ears =)
you can get booted for sending 3 messages in a row as a excess flood?
buzzed not booted
there were 9 on my screen - freenoode saved you from the other six. Apparently the paste included multiple blank lines.
-o - geeze, it's all going downhill...
jtr: that's strange
I wonder if irc had the focus when the cat walked on the keyboard last night?
that's the way things usually work
I looked at my cellphone to check the time the other night, and it was surfing the internet without me. Phone should have been locked
Yeah - wife and I get lots of pictures of our pockets.
whee.. spam coming from "microsoft" ;/
alex_joni: someone in china was able to get into my wifes yahoo email. suprisingly they didn't reset the password.
skunkworks: lucky you :)
yah - they sent 2 spam emails from her account.
(they where in her sent folder in her yahoo mail)
to everyone in her address book
it could have been worse.. The site wasn't a virus.
she has changed to gmail - loves it.
yeah, it's years ahead of yahoo :P
* archivist uvs gmail
archivist: Are you bidding on that motor?
is winning :)
I was thinking of going for it as it is 3hp where as the one been offered to me is only 2hp :-(
If I dont use it it will be available to us
I have not scrounged here at work yet either
archivist: Sure thing... Go for it!
and I have an odd lump at home that may be useful
got from Pirelli its a speed control that relies on a motor
dunno what limit to put on the motor
does anyone know that can we install a virtual (or dummy) comedi driver to test the acquisition programs ?
have you checked the comedi documentation?
emc2 doesn't use comedi, and I don't think anyone here really knows much about it
what???? - read the manual - what for? :)
thx, i am reading it but couldnt find yet
the poke was aimed at SWPadnos
got to run - just passing through
pass on, friend
oops. I meant "None shall pass!"
[18:17:25] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXY9TuuwyL8
SWPadnos: sounds like our exams
alex_joni, did you see that open source robot link I pasted earlier
archivist: not sure.. can you reporst?
SWPadnos: I have no quarrell with you sir Knight
aporst for you opensource http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7876661673.html?kc=rss
just a wound
"Tis but a scratch"
archivist: think I saw it
interesting though :D
to all may ya'll have a happy Thanksgiving and a great holiday season
fragalot_ is now known as fragalot
"I need an RF TRANSMITTER and RECEIVER DATA LINK FOR PARALLEL PORT" a fine request on the list
I can think of ways of doing it but...
archivist: bet you can't send ground through the wireless link :P
well. .he asked for it (3 pins and ground)
well his question is erm...not well formed
how much would he pay for bi-directional microwave link
judging by that email I'd say < 10$
unless he happens to have some deceased general in his family, then you get a couple of M$
* archivist goes off the idea of designing one
I have the microwave test gear :)
I have some serial RF modems
perhaps a parallel to serial converter, then a license free radio modem ?
evening btw ;-)
a bit late for evening over here
but hi :D
pjm__, I can see you're thinking the same way as me
hehh ;-) good! at least i'm thinking, makes a change
hmm.. seems they are considering 6 working day weeks
who is considering this?
but some i***t walking on front of the comms path and stopping estop :)
cradek, how come I only see it on one list, do you moderate?
btw, i found a 23cm diag touch screen thing in my crap, any good to anyone before i stuff it on ebay? zytouch6914
jepler: European Union .. there was some brief announcement on the news
archivist: are you subscribed to both?
I got them both..
alex_joni: that's crazy talk
maybe you use digest for one list..
who wants a 6-day work week?
currently it's a max 6-day work week
max 48 h
alex_joni, subscribed to both , perhaps i archived one without looking
[20:54:23] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yearly_working_time.jpg
my hours are dropping....
"The Kapauku people of Papua think it is bad luck to work two consecutive days."
I dont like to stretch myself
wonder if there are open adoptions for becoming a kapauku
been a couple of oddities on gmail today
does anyone know where in the machinery's handbook the equations for determining hole and shaft sizes for arbitrary UN threads lies
any less obvious answers?
there are many editions of the book, we would all give different page /section numbers
ed 13 here
i could probably just ask "what section is that titled" in that event
and find the corrisponding page in my book
if i had a prize i could give you for "three responses in a row less useful than a simple 'i don't know'," i'd give it to you.
* archivist is actually looking in his book!!!
Re: [Emc-developers] I need an RF TRANSMITTER and RECEIVER DATALINK FOR PARALLEL PORT
yeah - I noticed that one
I replied to him...dunno what he will make of said reply :)
"you can't do that" is the correct reply
assuming he actually wants to run a machine from the remote part
well cant and shouldnt are not the same
no, but they're both correct in this case
well, you can't run an effective machine over a radio link. there is no guarantee of I/O timing
SWPadnos: the correct response should have been 1) delete, or 2) hit reply enter in 'dumbass', THEN hit delete.
microwaves are fast enough
so you could do things very slowly, like with a few hundred steps per second (maybe), but not at the multi-kHz rates that make a machine practical
sure, but you have to serialize/deserialize 17 bits
I used to put 6 megs on 10gigs
6mbits/sec on the 10 gHz band (?)
Mbits, that is
ok, that's reasonable
I agree its basicly a stupid thing to do, just not impossible
sure - that's why I amended my statement to say it's not possible for an effective machine :)
cost effective being only one consideration ;)
yall are dumb... do it over IR using RS parts!!!
jymm, OK, but YOU have to buy the parts
fromthe RS you hate
I didnt mention the brick wall filters for good comms
with the teenage salespeople and the hip-hop music blaring
* jymm hands SWPadnos 50 used copy mahines!
SWPadnos: stripping em out is your job!
I already have a job
gotta connect up this G540 :)
SWPadnos: Sorry, you beiang a pain in the ass is not a job, a habby maybe, but not a job
unless I get paid for it
even hokers get paid "for it", but I really wouldn't call it their "job"
more of an wacky adventure of sorta.
in a stick and twisted way
depends on where you live
I know I'll see ya here probably, but... Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
jymm: right back at you!
see you. have a good one
I'm outta here soon, still have 8 minutes =)
'put the dick down and get a job, I don't know, get a job holding dicks, but whatever you do, get a job'
BlackMoon: Please stop sniffing the solvents
* BlackMoon reads up.. ROFL at RF based CNC
Make sure you do that with a brushed DC universal motor for the spindel, for extra RF goodness. lols
Correct solution: Wifi, macropc, VNC
BlackMoon: you've been sniffing that lead paint in your basement, haven't ya?
just a little.
BlackMoon: Try the laytex paint instead
BlackMoon: If nothing else, you can tell everyone it's just a laytex fetish.
[22:57:28] <BlackMoon> http://www.houseoftools.com/content/houseoftoolscom/images/raw/Products/F/FRV/FRV%2033-010_insert01.jpg
my 'lil harding is sexier than that and way more precice
well yea but thats also only $750cnd
think digital readout is of any use?
i got my harding for 500 cnd
really? whats its capacitiy?
drives and motors another 200 cnd
itll take a 6" chuck
lathe, spinning bits not included?
i have tool boxes of the in the basement already
excercise lathe! *pictures lathe belt driven by exercise bike*
its 1/2 hp... the VFD is being my shortcoming right now...
yea that thing is only 1/3hp
DC motor though.
it needs programming and setup to my speed controler card
No, the one I posted
oh i see...
did you get yours new? or ebay? or?
mine is 3 ph 220
hahahah, another 1ton deal
3 belt selections available...
why the f is a 1/2hp motor using 3phase 220v
whats next, the 3phase 20W CFL?
3ph is best
oh come on your not really worryed about torque inconsistances on your lathe are you?
oh noes it varys 0.1rpm every revolution!
industrial machine... it weighs 750 lbs... just the bed after you stip it of any thing you can take off
three phase is for reversing
some of us use lathes in the day job, then you need 3ph
eric_u: the DC ones reverse too.
the soindle does'nt move my .0001" indicator
archivist: I still think 3phase for 1/2hp is kinda silly
especialy at 220v
it was 550V i put the 220 on it to run it at home
single phase is no good, that's why they use 3 phase
it's not for power reasons, obviously
BlackMoon, my mill is 3 ph on a vfd 220v
i have a good 550v 3 ph m GE motor with brake for sale if any ones interested... the brake is worth more than the motor..
mount chuck directly on motor
* JymmmEMC starts the bidding at uno peso
err 8 baht!
lived in Libya when A kid