stustev: re: jeep/mach gun - how bout this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8jnSaCqxY
I imagine an axe would cost less /me has no sound so dunno if bullet qty stated
it took 45 seconds
I think the gun does 3000 rpm, so figure 2250 rounds
that was an expensive segment
question is, whats the point in high rpm rate if you can only carry a small clip?
i'd care more about impact power, accuracy and recoil :/
thats why they have a jeep - to carry the ammo
and i guess that is where the exoskeleton thing they're working on comes in
it amuses me how few rounds some aircraft carry
difference is.. they shoot to kill
heavy MG's main goal is to intimidate
just looked up the A10 about 30 secs to run out
at 200+ knots, its not like you sit there and spray
I bet 2secs is a _long_ burst for them
i never really got "knots".. what does that translate to anyways
1 nautical mile per hour
that simple huh
and 1 "click"
1 kilometer per hour, or just 1 kilometer (depending on context)
knots actually dates back to sailing ship days
I already figured that part out when you said "nautical miles"
jmkasunich, anyone using vismach on a live machine
the speedometer was a lump of wood on a long string with knots every so many feet, and a sandglass
throw the wood overboard, turn the sandglass, and see how many knots run thru your fingers as the string pays out, before then sand all gets to the bottom
archivist: I'm not sure why someone would have a vismach model while running the real machine
its more of a testing or visualisation tool
well real machine could be in a box with spay coolant
anyone have an auto lube on there machine?
its the oil can on the end of my arm
im trying to figure out how often the auto lube thing runs, and if it is always connected to power... or is there a timer ill need to hook up in emc
you decide or read manual for your machine or look how its wired
its hooked up to a crap load of terminals
manual dont say
that's why good manuals are essential
or a good multimeter
you need to look harder and reverse engineer
i know at the time it was dead winter in my garage no heater, and could bearly get to the back of my machine
so i didnt look 2 hard haha
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jmkasunich, I just had an evil thought vismach in stepconf
help those noobs setup
I hope by the time they're running stepconf they have their machine connected
I think the real strength of vismach is for testing out special kins, or other non-standard machines
or for machines that are "scary" to test full scale - make sure you have the basics right before hooking to the real thing
I do one off items and would like to see whats going to happen
the axis preview isn't enough to tell you?
(I guess it doesn't deal so well with >3 axis)
not as it is now no
4 at the moment and 5 when I get trunnion finished
that does sound like a good app for vismach
how did you "draw" up the hbm to get the coordinates for the code that draws it
not sure I understand the question
you mean how did I decide what size and shape to make the various parts?
I looked at the code, and shapes are hard coded
I just guessed, referring to a few photographs
tweaked till it looked right
hmm so a modded one taking dimensions/blocks from a file could be useful
so that a user could take a standard machine type and add his shapes and dimensions to a text file, or take them from a cad system
in essence you'd be definiing a "language" in which to describe your machine, and then writing the file in that language
vismach already works like that, except that the language is python
Gamma-x: there is a classic ladder example showing a lube timer - I used that and added a little code for a cycle start button and feed hole button
archivist: I assume you've looked at the HBM source?
stustev, how often do u have it lube?
Gamma-x: that is going to be very dependent on both the machine and the lube system
I can read c, assembler, but find python a bit obtuse
archivist: have you every played with povray?
10 seconds every 2 minutes - it is easy to adjust - you will know by how much oil is on the machine
povray is a raytracer, with a very powerfull scene description language
you can say "this object is a union (or intersection, or difference) of these other objects"
give different textures to different objects, etc
but I could draw my machine in Solidworks in a few minutes
vismach is much more like povray than solidworks
it takes a textual description
Im a mouser where solids are concerned
I've never used 3d cad, so I don't have any clue how that stuff works
so easy compared to typing
archivist: start with the files in vismach - modify them to see what they do - it should not take very long to make the machine you want
stustev, I will
jmkasunich: that is the jeep I want
hmm 3 am time I gave up for the night
stustev somewhere I saw a vid of an SUV with one of those that pops out of the roof
jmkasunich: one of what?
I want to make a gatlin gun - glorified nurf gun)
there is a youtube vid of the folks from mythbusters cutting down a dead tree with one
but I'm not sure how to setup the turret
well, actully support it and still have it spin
get a kit
JymmmEMC: build one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ar99uNZJ8E
looks like you can buy one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAUnuuBkW4&feature=related
that vid shows the construction pretty well
all we need is a gevarm (sp facked) action fire arm... its just a few switches and it 300 rounds per minute
usually 7.62 mm or .303 but can lay down straff for sure
jmkasunich: Thanks! That gives me some ideas =)
* jmkasunich watches the news for a rubber band massacre in southern California
Though, I do have different "ammo" in mind. Muhahahahaha (no, not explosive)
if you google I bet you can find build instructions for those
jmkasunich: Actually, I had the idea for the ammo BEFORE the gun, just not exactly sure I can have a hopper fill the gun while it's firing
what kind of ammo?
han on, lemme find a pic
not the nitroglycerine!
SWPadnos: 08:25:27 PM) JymmmEMC: Though, I do have different "ammo" in mind. Muhahahahaha (no, not explosive)
the rubber band gatling is kind of unique since each barrel can be loaded with many rounds - you don't have to "load" anything at all during operation
that's Gatling (TM)(R)(P)
who let the capitalization nazi in?
amazingly, they've been able to keep the patents on that thing current by improving the gun continuously for the last 100 years or so :)
I think GE is still the patent owner on the gatling gun
(they were 10-15 years ago anyway)
shit, can't find a pic, anyway.... jmkasunich: those foam packaging peanuts that look like tater tots
was the SUV-thing with the rocket launcher/minigun the LAV-AD?
JymmmEMC: I bet those things would be a pita to feed
or to throw any significant distance
jmkasunich: align in a hopper, fed thru a tube, then 100 psi to fire em
good luck with aligning them
Well, from what I've seen in real mfg lines, they do align things using a rotating hopper
[04:34:51] <jmkasunich> http://www.recipe4living.com/uploadedImages/Recipes/Recipes/tater%20tots.jpg
kinda spiral up
[04:35:10] <JymmmEMC> http://www.staples.com/sbd/img/cat/std/s0067086_std.jpg
mmmmmm - looks goos
ewwww -looks bad
I bet the real tater-tots would fly farther
Especially if you overcook them =)
although you're more likely to have barrel fouling
especially if they'restill frozen
try frozen peas instead ;)
SWPadnos: I would , but I don't want to hurt anyone
it's OK, they'll thaw
those packing things could easily and safely be used indoors
I can't think of any other "cheap" ammo
(without resulting in a nasty mess)
well, there is that
jmkasunich: and some are biodegradable - made from rice
I wonder how far they'll go though - you still have drag but the mass of the peanut doesn't hold enough energy to push through much air
JymmmEMC: go big-bore
144 ping-pong balls for $24
[04:38:19] <jmkasunich> http://www.gamesforfun.com/cgi-bin/gt/tpl.h,content=160&comm_product=221&
much easier to feed I bet
jmkasunich: acetone filled =)
no comment on that huh?
you already said you don't want to hurt anyone
I assume that also means you don't want to catch them on fire
[04:40:04] <JymmmEMC> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-Nitrocellulose_1/
Just kidding... wonder if they make smaller balls that would work
I don't know of any smaller balls that would be cheap and safe
marbles are smaller, but damn near bullets
"Hello... BallBearing world? I'd like 4,000,000,000 please"
you could do a paintball gatling, but I assume you don't want a gawd-awful mess
at least the paints we used were :)
looks like 2000 paintballs are about $60
wonder if I can get them hollow?
but no mass either
huh. you could actually fit 4,000,000,000 ball bearings into a reasonable-size cubicle
and I bet hollow ones wouldn't work
like 1/8" ones
SWPadnos: as long as the floor is strong
[04:43:29] <JymmmEMC> http://www.plasticballs.com/
a 10' cube of steel would be pretty heavy now, wouldn't it? :)
[04:43:53] <JymmmEMC> http://www.plasticballs.com/polystyr.htm
JymmmEMC, oh just get one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/60b6/
heh, they have a marshmallow gun
SWPadnos: Actually, we have a few of these around the office which gave me the idea... http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/8bc4/
I can't believe there's no Linux software for that
SWPadnos: There is =)
oh. good then :)
at least Mac I know for sure
this is funny: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/a273/
they sell those at Frys individually
it seems like a lot for a 6-pack of 1.6 ounce bottles
oh, pardon me - closer to 1.7 oz
equivalent to 12 red-bulls
dunno what a red-bull costs
(never acquired the caffeine addiction)
they're $2 each at retail, or $1 each every year at Costco
($1.50-ish other times of year at Costco)
JymmmEMC: I think you'll find most plastic balls are solid
if they are small enough to be fairly cheap, they'll be an eye hazard
if they're bigger, they'll just plain be a hazard
you want hollow
Yeah, make a toy mfg in china
Hmmm, what about that air gun ammo
you need safety gear for that - eye hazard
Eh, I think I'll stick with the packing tots. Will try a single shot version firtst to see the distance
mcmaster has hollow propolyene balls, 0.787 diameter, 100 for $16.36, 2000 for $189
oh, 150 for 16.36
oh well, bedtime here
Heh, make one the make sit's own ammo using EPS
one continous strem of ammo, like sausage
cut and fire! lol
hard to recycle the ammo that way
I doubt I'd be able to w/o jams
thats what I like about balls
sweep em up, dump em back in the hopper, and away you go
ping pong ball is hard though
could add a vacuum to it too
badminton birdies (with the rubber part removed)
suck up one pipe, separate from airstream before impeller, add to exhaust airstream after impeller
wikipedia says ping-pong balls are 40mm diameter, 2.7 grams
I'd have to have the hopper under pressure to feed properly
wow i just hit a button and my desktop went into 3d or some hsit lol wierd
middle-drag on the desktop I think (with cisual effects turned up all the way)
[05:13:16] <Memphis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9vKntBxoUo&NR=1
[05:16:51] <SWPadnos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dcmDscwEcI&feature=related
is there a tool to measure the curve of an angle?
a rounded angle that is
it's 43F in the garage... and I'm freezing!
Just took a shower and got dressed AND wearing a robe + heater is on at my feet
At least now I can feel my fingers again =)
JymmmEMC: I love my "moon suit" for working in the cold - one of those like construction workers wear. you should get one!
it's like a good winter coat, but it covers your legs too, whee
cradek: I'm usually okey with the heater going, except my fingers...
I have fingerless gloves around here "somewhere" =)
extremeties only stay warm when the core is warm
I got a pair of these for my gf for Christmas, maybe I need to get myself a pair =) http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17299
if I could pick only one superpower to have, it might be to keep my hands warm without gloves
Well, feel like carrything around a batterypack?
if you need a battery pack, it's not a super power
I'm thinking a 7.2V RC
or 9.6v RC battery, then just split the voltage
cradek: do you know anyone that gave up their teenagers in nebraska?
I just saw something that said you want to keep your wrists and ankles warm
skunkworks: my parents tried, but I'm over 30 so it's way too late
which seems to jive with what I find to be true
lol @ cradek
eric_u: Maybe that's why the fingerless gloves work... a cuff over the wrist
eric_u: I bet if you could add heat at the back of the neck or anywhere along the spine, it would keep everything warm. JymmmEMC should try that with his batteries!
how do you give up your teenagers in nebraska? sounds like a plan
I know those cooling devices work at the back of the neck
eric_u: until a couple days ago, you could dump them off at the hospital
Till they put an age restriction
they closed that loophole?
had to, ppl were dropping off theri teenagers
what's the age limit now?
18mo's I think, maybe 24 months
my wife is going to be heartbroken she missed her chance
JymmmEMC: last I heard it was 30 days, but maybe they weren't done arguing yet
30 days seems like some babies might still be at risk
the law said you wouldn't be "prosecuted for abandonment" but of course that's a very narrow promise
instead, they can apparently force you into counseling, charge you child support until the child grows up, etc etc.
people did not realize this as they were driving at breakneck speeds from all over the US to get here in time :-)
one guy dumped off all 9 (!!) of his kids at once
[16:32:34] <eric_u> http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1196990/30th_child_abandoned_under_nebraska.html
Calif law is 3 days from birth
[16:33:09] <JymmmEMC> http://www.fire.lacounty.gov/ProgramsEvents/SpecialProgramsSafeSurrender.asp
eric_u: unwanted children of any age are at risk IMO, sadly
(hopefully we can now start getting away from "abstinence only" and start having fewer of them)
sorry, I forgot, don't go there
cradek: Do you think we can drop off SWPadnos?
I blaspheme all the time - no worries
can I drop off my mother?
JymmmEMC: only if we claim to be his parents
JymmmEMC: which would probably seem unlikely to the hospital workers
* JymmmEMC hands cradek the wig and dress
good thngyou had them on hand
I bet that would not help the matter much
"The thirty children surrendered over the past two months range in age from 1-17, but the majority of them are in their teen years."
cradek: Matbe we can just cramp SWPadnos in a basket drop off at the FD, ring the bell and run like hell?
cradek: We'll just toss in a prime rib in the basket so SWPadnos wil shut up
good luck running very far after you've just carried me in a basket
SWPadnos: strap it to a skateboard
I'm imagining the BEEP BEEP BEEP backing up the trailer with the basket to the drop-off
hey, I'm not that big
SWPadnos: Hey, you have a whole prime rib to nurse on, what you compalining about?
ok, it's a deal
as long as I get to keep my credit cards and stuff
Um, yeah, sure, no problem
SWPadnos: You can keep your "American Xpress" and " Master Charge" cards.
what about "BankAmeriCard"?
uh-oh. time to shower - bbl
SWPadnos: cellphone too http://www.roadrunnerpros.com/thestore/prods/JungleBookPhone.html
we got my son a cellphone event though he never uses it. good thing too, because my wife is too irresponsible to keep track of hers
anyone have a favorite program to keep a checkbook?
BigJohnT: ingrid uses gnucash. I think it's OK.
I'm downloading gnucash at the moment
BigJohnT: You can use google spreadsheet, share it and even get email notices when it's been changed
BigJohnT: But, be sure to go into gmail settings and enforce https, it SHOULD carry over to gdocs, but check to be sure
JymmmEMC: I'm just looking for a simple balance sheet for a personal checkbook
BigJohnT: can't get much simpler than a spreadsheet, then even the wifey can view/edit it too
the wifey does quickbooks and Excel :)
I do to
then you have to copy the file back and forth, gdocs it's all in one place
I have my business account on quickbooks but am looking for something simpler that will recocile
but not force me to have an accounts
* BigJohnT looking
BigJohnT: The nice thing about gDocs is that it has built in revsion control.
and notification if a change has been made. So if the wifey writes a check for $1200, you can get notfied of a change and maybe not buy that $400 shiny toy you just saw =)
JymmmEMC: but I use cash for toys
BigJohnT: Just a suggestion. I really like the sharing/offsite/ even offline aspects of gDocs.
I invest in mason jars not stock markets
now you know you can't sell moonshine
Do I? =)
BigJohnT: What you mean I can't run the lawnmower and feed the chickens with it
turkce bilen var mi
mostly english speakers
i have tried :)
i have a problem with comedi, and my pcmcia daq card
can anybody help me
there is a mailing list for comedi
is it recognized?
yes, i tred that too
it's been 5 years since I got a pcmcia running on comedi
hmm, i got driver not found after comedi_config /dev/comedi0 ni_mio_cs
what card is it?
yes, i look at all the list
ni daq 6062e
I think the installer fails and you have to do some of the installation manually, but it has been a while
Are you a knight that says ni?
funny thing about that, when I was little, my mother called me ecky
I have installed through formal wiki
Well... Back to driving. See you guys tomorrow.
does the driver exist? if so, it's the installation
hmm, is the driver a module in the /lib/modules/2... directory
I have loaded it with modprobe
do you have a link to the wiki page?
[22:20:14] <huseyinkozan> http://www.comedi.org/wiki/Installation_instructions#preview
this is the my tries:
[22:20:32] <huseyinkozan> http://groups.google.com/group/comedi_list/browse_thread/thread/11798015e221e0cc
that installation doesn't seem to address pcmcia
yes, when I try to see with lspcmcia there is no one
how about the hotplug part?
but how can I find the driver
there were no mention about it on the wiki
oh sorry, something for configure is there
I'm sorry, I scanned it too fast, now I see pcmcia
what version/distribution of linux?
you should see the last post of mailing list
so you built your own kernel?
and enabled pcmcia in the kernel
not as module
I have gone through exactly this problem, too bad I don't remember what to do about it :)
it should be very good if you remember
I couldnt start the real work
I'm thinking it has something to do with installing comedilib
hmm, I tried the rpm in the fedora's repo
maybe I did not give the exact parameters to comedilib s configure
your problem is actually with comediconfig
can it be the parameters of it
how can I find the pcmcia's id
and other stuff
when you cat /proc/comedi there is a batch of garbage before your actual device
original driver's module depends it
well, for one thing it says "no devices" then lists your devices
or maybe that's supposed to be there, I can't tell
hmm, what about ni_mio_cs things ?
that looks good
yes, it looks good, but it cannot find them :)
it's a problem with comediconfig, and possibly how you are invoking it
I found something in /etc/pcmcia/comedi.conf
manfid 0x10b, 0x02c4
I'll try this
thank you very much eric_u, I'll take a break
I think it may be the name you are giving comediconfig
[22:42:19] <huseyinkozan> http://www.comedi.org/hardware.html
this says it was the same with module
too bad the machine I had that running on died multiple times since then
that looks good, sorry I couldn't help more
can it be about my pc, I mean my pcmcia controller
does the driver load ok? did you see it load in dmesg?
I got this :
comedi: version 0.7.76 - http://www.comedi.org
after modprobe comedi
talking about ni_mio_cs
and nothing after modprobe ni_mio_cs
it looks like lspcmcia gives you nothing
that seems to indicate a problem with pcmcia
but the driver is the ni_ module ?
kernel doesnt supprt it
that would be a problem
you modprobe it
the ni_mio_cs talks to hardware and exposes an interface to comedi, then there is a comedi module
yes, two of them
dmesg doesnt say anything
but it loads
before I install, I tried with insmod in the source directory
I got some module unresolved symmbols, but after load the dependent modules it goes
I mean in dmesg
I am tired, thank you again eric_u
I will be here for some time
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anyone know where i can source a touch point sensor with a 10mm (or less) shank?
have you looked in MSC, they've got some weird crap
hmm, i have not, their international shipping rates usually deter me but in this case i guess it could be worth it
i found one with mt2 shank, but taking the collet holder out for every edge finding operation seems like too much hassle
what are you doing for edge finding?
using a probe?
at the moment?
maybe i misunderstand the question
oh i was just asking if you are using a probe instead of an edge finder
for zeroing the machine
i usually stick a ground bar in a collet and measure my way around with a caliper or what ever is convenient
what's the caliper for?
* anonimasu has no ies
checking the bars location relative to the work piece?
hmm, I usually use a piece of paper when I zero
i use an edge finder =/
a really good one, actually
a piece of paper is relatively thick actually
best 30 bucks ever
daviruz: it's about .003" thick
mine's crooked *cry*
I use a dti in the spindle to find a hole center
toastydeathyeah, sounds very right
better off using a 0.05mm feeler gauge in that case
daviruz: i dunno, i have never needed to use feeler gauges to align a machine in any way
because any touch method like that is not going to be that accurate
my machine has a little too much flex to get acceptable results with a feeler gauge though
[23:44:29] <archivist> http://www.measureshop.biz/en/measuring-instruments/dial-bore-and-depth-gauges/centring-devices/diacator-centring-devices.html
(dont look at the price)
i guess it boils down to what's acceptable..
archivist: we have one of those, it's okay
maybe i'm just being anal about it :)
I have one didnt pay that money though
stepping at it 1µ at a time lets you feel when stuff stick pretty well
my recommendation is to just use a 30 dollar starret edgefinder
smallest whank msc had was 1/2"
* anonimasu nods
setting up is a pain, any way to make it quicker and better should be looked at
if I were buying a new machine I'd buy a probe.
probe as in electronic edge finder?
daviruz: probe as in machine probe - sends a signal when it trips
probe as in probe that hooks up to the controller
and just call up a probing cycle
I have a probe but its iso 50 , a little large for morse 2
well, that would be very convenient
if you have the money to afford a machine with a probe, and the probing cycles enabled on the machine control, it's very nice
how does that work, does the probing speed has to be extremely slow to avoid crashing it?
or does it have some kind of proximity sensing which slows it down?
daviruz: there's a special g-code move
it's like g32 or something, you give it a feed rate
and it watches a pin on the control, and stops as soon as it sees the pin go hot
DaViruz: most probes have some overtravel
and yeah, the probes have like 10-15 degrees of swing
I drool over the probing cycles when I zero my big mill -_-
let's rephrase the question then, where do i find a probe with 10mm shank.. :-)
call reinshaw *grin*
yeah, renishaw holds most of the patents
and they're really expensive.
seen some renishaw on ebay
heidenain/reinshaw = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
i still say an edgefinder is a better value
i suppose turning down the 1/2" shaft on a electronic edge finder is a bad idea too, i supposw they put the batteries or something in there
especially considering it only takes one hit to break a 300 dollar probe tip
i can break edgefinders all day long
and still be ahead
[23:51:08] <archivist> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENISHAW-PROBE-MODULE-TP20-CMM-MEASURING-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ380083771033QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Measuring_Tools_Levels?hash=item380083771033&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
daviruz: indeed, that would be ill advised
how about hooking up a output to a cheap electronic edge finder then?
ebay makes "reinshaw" > reins w
i'd be concered with feed rate with an electronic edgefinder
i broke one once
they do not flex too well
but if you figured it out, i suppose there's nothing stopping you
does emc have the interrupt feed g-code?
i think i've got the fanuc manual in my backpack to see which it is
skip function, G31
not as far as i can tell
it doesn't mention it in the gcode list
emc uses g38.2 for probing. http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G38.2:-Straight-Probe