#emc | Logs for 2008-11-22

[01:16:39] <jmkasunich> stustev: re: jeep/mach gun - how bout this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8jnSaCqxY
[01:20:20] <archivist> I imagine an axe would cost less /me has no sound so dunno if bullet qty stated
[01:20:36] <jmkasunich> it took 45 seconds
[01:20:53] <jmkasunich> I think the gun does 3000 rpm, so figure 2250 rounds
[01:20:57] <jmkasunich> that was an expensive segment
[01:21:07] <archivist> hehe
[01:31:17] <fragalot> question is, whats the point in high rpm rate if you can only carry a small clip?
[01:31:33] <fragalot> i'd care more about impact power, accuracy and recoil :/
[01:32:00] <jmkasunich> fragalot: yeah
[01:32:09] <jmkasunich> thats why they have a jeep - to carry the ammo
[01:32:13] <fragalot> lol
[01:32:40] <fragalot> and i guess that is where the exoskeleton thing they're working on comes in
[01:33:09] <archivist> it amuses me how few rounds some aircraft carry
[01:33:54] <fragalot> difference is.. they shoot to kill
[01:34:04] <fragalot> heavy MG's main goal is to intimidate
[01:37:05] <archivist> just looked up the A10 about 30 secs to run out
[01:37:33] <jmkasunich> at 200+ knots, its not like you sit there and spray
[01:37:41] <jmkasunich> I bet 2secs is a _long_ burst for them
[01:37:48] <fragalot> yeah
[01:38:10] <fragalot> i never really got "knots".. what does that translate to anyways
[01:38:22] <jmkasunich> 1 nautical mile per hour
[01:38:33] <fragalot> that simple huh
[01:38:36] <fragalot> and 1 "click"
[01:39:05] <jmkasunich> 1 kilometer per hour, or just 1 kilometer (depending on context)
[01:39:28] <fragalot> makes sense
[01:40:30] <jmkasunich> knots actually dates back to sailing ship days
[01:40:57] <fragalot> I already figured that part out when you said "nautical miles"
[01:41:00] <archivist> jmkasunich, anyone using vismach on a live machine
[01:41:02] <jmkasunich> the speedometer was a lump of wood on a long string with knots every so many feet, and a sandglass
[01:41:43] <jmkasunich> throw the wood overboard, turn the sandglass, and see how many knots run thru your fingers as the string pays out, before then sand all gets to the bottom
[01:41:59] <jmkasunich> archivist: I'm not sure why someone would have a vismach model while running the real machine
[01:42:08] <jmkasunich> its more of a testing or visualisation tool
[01:42:49] <archivist> well real machine could be in a box with spay coolant
[01:43:49] <Gamma-x> anyone have an auto lube on there machine?
[01:44:20] <archivist> its the oil can on the end of my arm
[01:44:32] <Gamma-x> lol
[01:44:58] <Gamma-x> im trying to figure out how often the auto lube thing runs, and if it is always connected to power... or is there a timer ill need to hook up in emc
[01:46:07] <archivist> you decide or read manual for your machine or look how its wired
[01:46:52] <Gamma-x> its hooked up to a crap load of terminals
[01:47:02] <Gamma-x> manual dont say
[01:47:12] <fragalot> that's why good manuals are essential
[01:47:17] <archivist> crap load"
[01:47:22] <fragalot> or a good multimeter
[01:47:36] <archivist> you need to look harder and reverse engineer
[01:49:20] <Gamma-x> i know at the time it was dead winter in my garage no heater, and could bearly get to the back of my machine
[01:50:01] <Gamma-x> so i didnt look 2 hard haha
[01:51:34] <jepler_> jepler_ is now known as jepler
[01:56:54] <fragalot> lol
[02:23:52] <archivist> jmkasunich, I just had an evil thought vismach in stepconf
[02:24:11] <jmkasunich> why?
[02:24:28] <archivist> help those noobs setup
[02:24:57] <jmkasunich> I hope by the time they're running stepconf they have their machine connected
[02:28:04] <jmkasunich> I think the real strength of vismach is for testing out special kins, or other non-standard machines
[02:29:40] <jmkasunich> or for machines that are "scary" to test full scale - make sure you have the basics right before hooking to the real thing
[02:30:21] <archivist> I do one off items and would like to see whats going to happen
[02:30:48] <jmkasunich> the axis preview isn't enough to tell you?
[02:30:59] <jmkasunich> (I guess it doesn't deal so well with >3 axis)
[02:31:00] <archivist> not as it is now no
[02:31:22] <archivist> 4 at the moment and 5 when I get trunnion finished
[02:32:47] <jmkasunich> that does sound like a good app for vismach
[02:34:30] <archivist> how did you "draw" up the hbm to get the coordinates for the code that draws it
[02:34:56] <jmkasunich> not sure I understand the question
[02:35:40] <jmkasunich> you mean how did I decide what size and shape to make the various parts?
[02:35:44] <archivist> I looked at the code, and shapes are hard coded
[02:36:00] <jmkasunich> I just guessed, referring to a few photographs
[02:36:10] <jmkasunich> tweaked till it looked right
[02:37:24] <archivist> hmm so a modded one taking dimensions/blocks from a file could be useful
[02:40:49] <jmkasunich> I suppose
[02:41:18] <archivist> so that a user could take a standard machine type and add his shapes and dimensions to a text file, or take them from a cad system
[02:41:21] <jmkasunich> in essence you'd be definiing a "language" in which to describe your machine, and then writing the file in that language
[02:41:40] <jmkasunich> vismach already works like that, except that the language is python
[02:41:42] <stustev1> Gamma-x: there is a classic ladder example showing a lube timer - I used that and added a little code for a cycle start button and feed hole button
[02:42:04] <Gamma-x> thANKS
[02:42:21] <jmkasunich> archivist: I assume you've looked at the HBM source?
[02:42:26] <archivist> yes
[02:42:26] <Gamma-x> stustev, how often do u have it lube?
[02:43:05] <jmkasunich> Gamma-x: that is going to be very dependent on both the machine and the lube system
[02:43:10] <archivist> I can read c, assembler, but find python a bit obtuse
[02:43:21] <Gamma-x> ok
[02:43:38] <jmkasunich> archivist: have you every played with povray?
[02:43:57] <stustev1> 10 seconds every 2 minutes - it is easy to adjust - you will know by how much oil is on the machine
[02:43:59] <archivist> jmkasunich, no
[02:44:16] <jmkasunich> povray is a raytracer, with a very powerfull scene description language
[02:44:37] <jmkasunich> you can say "this object is a union (or intersection, or difference) of these other objects"
[02:44:49] <jmkasunich> give different textures to different objects, etc
[02:44:50] <archivist> but I could draw my machine in Solidworks in a few minutes
[02:45:15] <jmkasunich> vismach is much more like povray than solidworks
[02:45:22] <jmkasunich> it takes a textual description
[02:45:27] <jmkasunich> I
[02:45:29] <archivist> Im a mouser where solids are concerned
[02:45:40] <jmkasunich> I've never used 3d cad, so I don't have any clue how that stuff works
[02:45:57] <archivist> so easy compared to typing
[02:46:13] <stustev1> archivist: start with the files in vismach - modify them to see what they do - it should not take very long to make the machine you want
[02:46:34] <archivist> stustev, I will
[02:47:39] <stustev1> jmkasunich: that is the jeep I want
[02:47:57] <archivist> hmm 3 am time I gave up for the night
[02:48:17] <stustev1> good night
[02:50:55] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[02:51:04] <archivist> see ya
[02:51:16] <jmkasunich> stustev somewhere I saw a vid of an SUV with one of those that pops out of the roof
[02:57:31] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: one of what?
[02:57:42] <jmkasunich> minigun
[02:57:46] <JymmmEMC> ah
[02:58:18] <JymmmEMC> I want to make a gatlin gun - glorified nurf gun)
[02:58:31] <jmkasunich> there is a youtube vid of the folks from mythbusters cutting down a dead tree with one
[02:58:35] <JymmmEMC> but I'm not sure how to setup the turret
[02:58:56] <JymmmEMC> well, actully support it and still have it spin
[03:01:29] <ds3> get a kit
[03:01:47] <jmkasunich> JymmmEMC: build one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ar99uNZJ8E
[03:07:52] <jmkasunich> looks like you can buy one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAUnuuBkW4&feature=related
[03:08:02] <jmkasunich> that vid shows the construction pretty well
[03:47:28] <dmess> all we need is a gevarm (sp facked) action fire arm... its just a few switches and it 300 rounds per minute
[03:49:20] <dmess> usually 7.62 mm or .303 but can lay down straff for sure
[04:24:10] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: Thanks! That gives me some ideas =)
[04:25:17] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich watches the news for a rubber band massacre in southern California
[04:25:28] <JymmmEMC> Though, I do have different "ammo" in mind. Muhahahahaha (no, not explosive)
[04:25:41] <jmkasunich> if you google I bet you can find build instructions for those
[04:25:52] <JymmmEMC> s/So/No/
[04:27:26] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: Actually, I had the idea for the ammo BEFORE the gun, just not exactly sure I can have a hopper fill the gun while it's firing
[04:27:57] <jmkasunich> what kind of ammo?
[04:28:13] <JymmmEMC> han on, lemme find a pic
[04:28:15] <SWPadnos> not the nitroglycerine!
[04:28:36] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: 08:25:27 PM) JymmmEMC: Though, I do have different "ammo" in mind. Muhahahahaha (no, not explosive)
[04:28:45] <jmkasunich> the rubber band gatling is kind of unique since each barrel can be loaded with many rounds - you don't have to "load" anything at all during operation
[04:29:10] <SWPadnos> that's Gatling (TM)(R)(P)
[04:29:40] <jmkasunich> who let the capitalization nazi in?
[04:29:56] <SWPadnos> amazingly, they've been able to keep the patents on that thing current by improving the gun continuously for the last 100 years or so :)
[04:30:25] <SWPadnos> I think GE is still the patent owner on the gatling gun
[04:30:43] <SWPadnos> (they were 10-15 years ago anyway)
[04:31:09] <JymmmEMC> shit, can't find a pic, anyway.... jmkasunich: those foam packaging peanuts that look like tater tots
[04:31:23] <SWPadnos> was the SUV-thing with the rocket launcher/minigun the LAV-AD?
[04:32:12] <jmkasunich> JymmmEMC: I bet those things would be a pita to feed
[04:32:36] <SWPadnos> or to throw any significant distance
[04:32:48] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: align in a hopper, fed thru a tube, then 100 psi to fire em
[04:33:59] <jmkasunich> good luck with aligning them
[04:34:38] <JymmmEMC> Well, from what I've seen in real mfg lines, they do align things using a rotating hopper
[04:34:51] <jmkasunich> http://www.recipe4living.com/uploadedImages/Recipes/Recipes/tater%20tots.jpg
[04:34:53] <JymmmEMC> kinda spiral up
[04:35:10] <JymmmEMC> http://www.staples.com/sbd/img/cat/std/s0067086_std.jpg
[04:35:22] <SWPadnos> mmmmmm - looks goos
[04:35:25] <SWPadnos> good
[04:35:39] <SWPadnos> ewwww -looks bad
[04:35:55] <jmkasunich> I bet the real tater-tots would fly farther
[04:36:06] <JymmmEMC> Especially if you overcook them =)
[04:36:08] <jmkasunich> although you're more likely to have barrel fouling
[04:36:08] <SWPadnos> especially if they'restill frozen
[04:36:27] <SWPadnos> try frozen peas instead ;)
[04:36:43] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: I would , but I don't want to hurt anyone
[04:36:50] <SWPadnos> it's OK, they'll thaw
[04:36:58] <jmkasunich> those packing things could easily and safely be used indoors
[04:37:00] <JymmmEMC> I can't think of any other "cheap" ammo
[04:37:06] <jmkasunich> (without resulting in a nasty mess)
[04:37:14] <SWPadnos> well, there is that
[04:37:24] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: and some are biodegradable - made from rice
[04:37:43] <SWPadnos> I wonder how far they'll go though - you still have drag but the mass of the peanut doesn't hold enough energy to push through much air
[04:37:56] <jmkasunich> JymmmEMC: go big-bore
[04:38:06] <jmkasunich> 144 ping-pong balls for $24
[04:38:19] <jmkasunich> http://www.gamesforfun.com/cgi-bin/gt/tpl.h,content=160&comm_product=221&
[04:38:25] <jmkasunich> much easier to feed I bet
[04:38:41] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: acetone filled =)
[04:39:34] <JymmmEMC> no comment on that huh?
[04:39:45] <jmkasunich> you already said you don't want to hurt anyone
[04:39:53] <SWPadnos> or explosives
[04:39:57] <jmkasunich> I assume that also means you don't want to catch them on fire
[04:40:04] <JymmmEMC> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-Nitrocellulose_1/
[04:41:12] <JymmmEMC> Just kidding... wonder if they make smaller balls that would work
[04:41:32] <jmkasunich> I don't know of any smaller balls that would be cheap and safe
[04:41:39] <jmkasunich> marbles are smaller, but damn near bullets
[04:41:46] <JymmmEMC> "Hello... BallBearing world? I'd like 4,000,000,000 please"
[04:42:01] <jmkasunich> you could do a paintball gatling, but I assume you don't want a gawd-awful mess
[04:42:11] <SWPadnos> biodegradeable!
[04:42:22] <SWPadnos> at least the paints we used were :)
[04:42:27] <jmkasunich> looks like 2000 paintballs are about $60
[04:42:45] <JymmmEMC> wonder if I can get them hollow?
[04:42:56] <jmkasunich> doubt it
[04:43:02] <JymmmEMC> but no mass either
[04:43:06] <SWPadnos> huh. you could actually fit 4,000,000,000 ball bearings into a reasonable-size cubicle
[04:43:07] <jmkasunich> and I bet hollow ones wouldn't work
[04:43:09] <SWPadnos> like 1/8" ones
[04:43:23] <jmkasunich> SWPadnos: as long as the floor is strong
[04:43:28] <SWPadnos> well, sure
[04:43:29] <JymmmEMC> http://www.plasticballs.com/
[04:43:46] <SWPadnos> a 10' cube of steel would be pretty heavy now, wouldn't it? :)
[04:43:53] <JymmmEMC> http://www.plasticballs.com/polystyr.htm
[04:44:24] <jmkasunich> SWPadnos: extremely
[04:44:38] <jmkasunich> 250 tons
[04:44:43] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, oh just get one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/60b6/
[04:45:33] <jmkasunich> heh, they have a marshmallow gun
[04:45:36] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Actually, we have a few of these around the office which gave me the idea... http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/8bc4/
[04:45:52] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:46:21] <SWPadnos> I can't believe there's no Linux software for that
[04:46:29] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: There is =)
[04:46:35] <SWPadnos> oh. good then :)
[04:46:40] <JymmmEMC> at least Mac I know for sure
[04:46:55] <SWPadnos> this is funny: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/a273/
[04:47:25] <JymmmEMC> they sell those at Frys individually
[04:47:49] <SWPadnos> it seems like a lot for a 6-pack of 1.6 ounce bottles
[04:48:04] <SWPadnos> oh, pardon me - closer to 1.7 oz
[04:48:15] <jmkasunich> equivalent to 12 red-bulls
[04:48:22] <jmkasunich> dunno what a red-bull costs
[04:48:34] <jmkasunich> (never acquired the caffeine addiction)
[04:49:03] <SWPadnos> they're $2 each at retail, or $1 each every year at Costco
[04:49:13] <SWPadnos> ($1.50-ish other times of year at Costco)
[04:50:10] <jmkasunich> JymmmEMC: I think you'll find most plastic balls are solid
[04:50:51] <jmkasunich> if they are small enough to be fairly cheap, they'll be an eye hazard
[04:50:59] <jmkasunich> if they're bigger, they'll just plain be a hazard
[04:51:04] <jmkasunich> you want hollow
[04:51:14] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, make a toy mfg in china
[04:51:41] <JymmmEMC> Hmmm, what about that air gun ammo
[04:51:47] <jmkasunich> airsoft?
[04:51:50] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[04:52:06] <jmkasunich> you need safety gear for that - eye hazard
[04:52:42] <JymmmEMC> Eh, I think I'll stick with the packing tots. Will try a single shot version firtst to see the distance
[04:52:50] <jmkasunich> mcmaster has hollow propolyene balls, 0.787 diameter, 100 for $16.36, 2000 for $189
[04:53:17] <jmkasunich> oh, 150 for 16.36
[04:54:22] <jmkasunich> oh well, bedtime here
[04:54:28] <JymmmEMC> Heh, make one the make sit's own ammo using EPS
[04:54:45] <JymmmEMC> one continous strem of ammo, like sausage
[04:54:59] <JymmmEMC> cut and fire! lol
[04:55:39] <jmkasunich> hard to recycle the ammo that way
[04:56:06] <JymmmEMC> I doubt I'd be able to w/o jams
[04:56:12] <JymmmEMC> mis-fires
[04:56:18] <jmkasunich> thats what I like about balls
[04:56:30] <jmkasunich> sweep em up, dump em back in the hopper, and away you go
[04:56:36] <JymmmEMC> ping pong ball is hard though
[04:56:43] <JymmmEMC> could add a vacuum to it too
[04:57:00] <jmkasunich> shopvac
[04:57:14] <JymmmEMC> backpackvac =)
[04:57:22] <SWPadnos> badminton birdies (with the rubber part removed)
[04:57:42] <jmkasunich> suck up one pipe, separate from airstream before impeller, add to exhaust airstream after impeller
[05:00:03] <jmkasunich> wikipedia says ping-pong balls are 40mm diameter, 2.7 grams
[05:00:37] <JymmmEMC> I'd have to have the hopper under pressure to feed properly
[05:04:14] <jmkasunich> lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dcmDscwEcI
[05:05:24] <JymmmEMC> ROTF!!!!
[05:08:14] <Memphis> wow i just hit a button and my desktop went into 3d or some hsit lol wierd
[05:10:24] <SWPadnos> middle-drag on the desktop I think (with cisual effects turned up all the way)
[05:10:27] <SWPadnos> visual
[05:13:16] <Memphis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9vKntBxoUo&NR=1
[05:16:51] <SWPadnos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dcmDscwEcI&feature=related
[05:22:46] <SWPadnos> hahaha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqu_8RIDvU&feature=related
[07:23:11] <Memphis> is there a tool to measure the curve of an angle?
[07:23:19] <Memphis> a rounded angle that is
[07:46:28] <fenn> CMM :)
[16:18:59] <JymmmEMC> it's 43F in the garage... and I'm freezing!
[16:19:26] <JymmmEMC> Just took a shower and got dressed AND wearing a robe + heater is on at my feet
[16:19:52] <JymmmEMC> At least now I can feel my fingers again =)
[16:22:16] <cradek> JymmmEMC: I love my "moon suit" for working in the cold - one of those like construction workers wear. you should get one!
[16:22:40] <cradek> it's like a good winter coat, but it covers your legs too, whee
[16:22:54] <JymmmEMC> cradek: I'm usually okey with the heater going, except my fingers...
[16:23:09] <JymmmEMC> I have fingerless gloves around here "somewhere" =)
[16:23:29] <cradek> extremeties only stay warm when the core is warm
[16:24:20] <JymmmEMC> I got a pair of these for my gf for Christmas, maybe I need to get myself a pair =) http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17299
[16:24:44] <cradek> if I could pick only one superpower to have, it might be to keep my hands warm without gloves
[16:24:52] <JymmmEMC> heh
[16:25:11] <JymmmEMC> Well, feel like carrything around a batterypack?
[16:25:23] <JymmmEMC> carrying
[16:25:35] <cradek> if you need a battery pack, it's not a super power
[16:25:36] <JymmmEMC> I'm thinking a 7.2V RC
[16:25:59] <JymmmEMC> or 9.6v RC battery, then just split the voltage
[16:26:32] <skunkworks> cradek: do you know anyone that gave up their teenagers in nebraska?
[16:26:37] <skunkworks> ;)
[16:26:39] <eric_u> I just saw something that said you want to keep your wrists and ankles warm
[16:26:53] <cradek> skunkworks: my parents tried, but I'm over 30 so it's way too late
[16:26:54] <eric_u> which seems to jive with what I find to be true
[16:27:01] <JymmmEMC> lol @ cradek
[16:27:26] <JymmmEMC> eric_u: Maybe that's why the fingerless gloves work... a cuff over the wrist
[16:27:38] <cradek> eric_u: I bet if you could add heat at the back of the neck or anywhere along the spine, it would keep everything warm. JymmmEMC should try that with his batteries!
[16:27:38] <eric_u> how do you give up your teenagers in nebraska? sounds like a plan
[16:27:49] <cradek> I know those cooling devices work at the back of the neck
[16:28:06] <cradek> eric_u: until a couple days ago, you could dump them off at the hospital
[16:28:16] <skunkworks> cradek: :)
[16:28:18] <JymmmEMC> Till they put an age restriction
[16:28:20] <eric_u> they closed that loophole?
[16:28:29] <JymmmEMC> had to, ppl were dropping off theri teenagers
[16:28:51] <eric_u> what's the age limit now?
[16:29:00] <cradek> 30 days
[16:29:04] <JymmmEMC> 18mo's I think, maybe 24 months
[16:29:27] <eric_u> my wife is going to be heartbroken she missed her chance
[16:29:57] <cradek> JymmmEMC: last I heard it was 30 days, but maybe they weren't done arguing yet
[16:30:23] <eric_u> 30 days seems like some babies might still be at risk
[16:30:35] <cradek> the law said you wouldn't be "prosecuted for abandonment" but of course that's a very narrow promise
[16:31:01] <cradek> instead, they can apparently force you into counseling, charge you child support until the child grows up, etc etc.
[16:31:35] <cradek> people did not realize this as they were driving at breakneck speeds from all over the US to get here in time :-)
[16:31:59] <cradek> one guy dumped off all 9 (!!) of his kids at once
[16:32:34] <eric_u> http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1196990/30th_child_abandoned_under_nebraska.html
[16:32:57] <JymmmEMC> Calif law is 3 days from birth
[16:33:09] <JymmmEMC> http://www.fire.lacounty.gov/ProgramsEvents/SpecialProgramsSafeSurrender.asp
[16:33:11] <cradek> eric_u: unwanted children of any age are at risk IMO, sadly
[16:33:26] <JymmmEMC> here here
[16:34:38] <cradek> (hopefully we can now start getting away from "abstinence only" and start having fewer of them)
[16:34:59] <SWPadnos> blasphemer!
[16:35:27] <cradek> sorry, I forgot, don't go there
[16:35:32] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:35:39] <JymmmEMC> cradek: Do you think we can drop off SWPadnos?
[16:35:40] <SWPadnos> I blaspheme all the time - no worries
[16:35:49] <SWPadnos> can I drop off my mother?
[16:35:52] <cradek> JymmmEMC: only if we claim to be his parents
[16:36:05] <cradek> JymmmEMC: which would probably seem unlikely to the hospital workers
[16:36:11] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC hands cradek the wig and dress
[16:36:29] <SWPadnos> good thngyou had them on hand
[16:36:41] <cradek> I bet that would not help the matter much
[16:37:23] <cradek> "The thirty children surrendered over the past two months range in age from 1-17, but the majority of them are in their teen years."
[16:37:31] <JymmmEMC> cradek: Matbe we can just cramp SWPadnos in a basket drop off at the FD, ring the bell and run like hell?
[16:38:18] <JymmmEMC> cradek: We'll just toss in a prime rib in the basket so SWPadnos wil shut up
[16:38:28] <SWPadnos> good luck running very far after you've just carried me in a basket
[16:38:52] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: strap it to a skateboard
[16:38:59] <SWPadnos> cheater
[16:39:09] <cradek> I'm imagining the BEEP BEEP BEEP backing up the trailer with the basket to the drop-off
[16:39:24] <SWPadnos> hey, I'm not that big
[16:39:27] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Hey, you have a whole prime rib to nurse on, what you compalining about?
[16:39:34] <SWPadnos> ok, it's a deal
[16:39:40] <SWPadnos> as long as I get to keep my credit cards and stuff
[16:39:57] <JymmmEMC> Um, yeah, sure, no problem
[16:40:03] <cradek> bbl...
[16:41:00] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: You can keep your "American Xpress" and " Master Charge" cards.
[16:41:19] <SWPadnos> what about "BankAmeriCard"?
[16:41:29] <JymmmEMC> that too
[16:42:03] <SWPadnos> uh-oh. time to shower - bbl
[16:42:05] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: cellphone too http://www.roadrunnerpros.com/thestore/prods/JungleBookPhone.html
[16:46:36] <eric_u> we got my son a cellphone event though he never uses it. good thing too, because my wife is too irresponsible to keep track of hers
[16:48:58] <BigJohnT> anyone have a favorite program to keep a checkbook?
[16:58:18] <jepler> BigJohnT: ingrid uses gnucash. I think it's OK.
[17:00:02] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: gdocs?
[17:00:44] <BigJohnT> I'm downloading gnucash at the moment
[17:00:49] <BigJohnT> :)
[17:04:10] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: You can use google spreadsheet, share it and even get email notices when it's been changed
[17:04:56] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: But, be sure to go into gmail settings and enforce https, it SHOULD carry over to gdocs, but check to be sure
[17:05:15] <BigJohnT> JymmmEMC: I'm just looking for a simple balance sheet for a personal checkbook
[17:05:42] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: can't get much simpler than a spreadsheet, then even the wifey can view/edit it too
[17:06:23] <BigJohnT> the wifey does quickbooks and Excel :)
[17:06:30] <BigJohnT> I do to
[17:06:48] <JymmmEMC> then you have to copy the file back and forth, gdocs it's all in one place
[17:07:05] <BigJohnT> I have my business account on quickbooks but am looking for something simpler that will recocile
[17:07:34] <BigJohnT> but not force me to have an accounts
[17:08:07] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: http://www.brighthub.com/internet/google/articles/11565.aspx
[17:09:19] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT looking
[17:12:21] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: The nice thing about gDocs is that it has built in revsion control.
[17:13:29] <JymmmEMC> and notification if a change has been made. So if the wifey writes a check for $1200, you can get notfied of a change and maybe not buy that $400 shiny toy you just saw =)
[17:16:20] <BigJohnT> JymmmEMC: but I use cash for toys
[17:16:45] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: =)
[17:17:29] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: Just a suggestion. I really like the sharing/offsite/ even offline aspects of gDocs.
[17:17:32] <BigJohnT> I invest in mason jars not stock markets
[17:17:40] <JymmmEMC> moonshine?
[17:18:56] <BigJohnT> now you know you can't sell moonshine
[17:19:21] <JymmmEMC> Do I? =)
[17:23:55] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: What you mean I can't run the lawnmower and feed the chickens with it
[22:12:05] <huseyinkozan> turkce bilen var mi
[22:12:53] <archivist> mostly english speakers
[22:13:03] <huseyinkozan> i have tried :)
[22:13:33] <huseyinkozan> i have a problem with comedi, and my pcmcia daq card
[22:13:48] <huseyinkozan> can anybody help me
[22:13:58] <eric_u> there is a mailing list for comedi
[22:14:07] <eric_u> is it recognized?
[22:14:10] <huseyinkozan> yes, i tred that too
[22:14:39] <eric_u> it's been 5 years since I got a pcmcia running on comedi
[22:14:47] <alex_mobile> Good evening
[22:14:57] <huseyinkozan> hmm, i got driver not found after comedi_config /dev/comedi0 ni_mio_cs
[22:15:11] <eric_u> sounds familiar
[22:15:19] <eric_u> what card is it?
[22:15:28] <huseyinkozan> yes, i look at all the list
[22:15:35] <huseyinkozan> ni daq 6062e
[22:16:45] <eric_u> I think the installer fails and you have to do some of the installation manually, but it has been a while
[22:16:47] <alex_mobile> Are you a knight that says ni?
[22:17:19] <eric_u> funny thing about that, when I was little, my mother called me ecky
[22:17:34] <alex_mobile> Heh
[22:18:25] <huseyinkozan> I have installed through formal wiki
[22:18:27] <alex_mobile> Well... Back to driving. See you guys tomorrow.
[22:18:45] <eric_u> does the driver exist? if so, it's the installation
[22:19:25] <huseyinkozan> hmm, is the driver a module in the /lib/modules/2... directory
[22:19:45] <huseyinkozan> I have loaded it with modprobe
[22:19:48] <eric_u> do you have a link to the wiki page?
[22:20:07] <huseyinkozan> yes,
[22:20:14] <huseyinkozan> http://www.comedi.org/wiki/Installation_instructions#preview
[22:20:30] <huseyinkozan> this is the my tries:
[22:20:32] <huseyinkozan> http://groups.google.com/group/comedi_list/browse_thread/thread/11798015e221e0cc
[22:21:22] <eric_u> that installation doesn't seem to address pcmcia
[22:21:48] <huseyinkozan> yes, when I try to see with lspcmcia there is no one
[22:22:00] <eric_u> how about the hotplug part?
[22:22:03] <huseyinkozan> but how can I find the driver
[22:22:10] <huseyinkozan> hmm
[22:22:31] <huseyinkozan> there were no mention about it on the wiki
[22:23:10] <huseyinkozan> oh sorry, something for configure is there
[22:23:15] <eric_u> I'm sorry, I scanned it too fast, now I see pcmcia
[22:23:33] <eric_u> what version/distribution of linux?
[22:23:40] <huseyinkozan> fedora 9
[22:23:56] <huseyinkozan> you should see the last post of mailing list
[22:24:07] <eric_u> so you built your own kernel?
[22:24:12] <huseyinkozan> yes
[22:24:13] <huseyinkozan> sure
[22:24:30] <huseyinkozan> and enabled pcmcia in the kernel
[22:24:40] <huseyinkozan> not as module
[22:26:14] <eric_u> I have gone through exactly this problem, too bad I don't remember what to do about it :)
[22:28:06] <huseyinkozan> :)
[22:28:25] <huseyinkozan> it should be very good if you remember
[22:28:48] <huseyinkozan> I couldnt start the real work
[22:29:04] <eric_u> I'm thinking it has something to do with installing comedilib
[22:29:34] <huseyinkozan> hmm, I tried the rpm in the fedora's repo
[22:30:19] <huseyinkozan> maybe I did not give the exact parameters to comedilib s configure
[22:31:30] <eric_u> your problem is actually with comediconfig
[22:31:40] <huseyinkozan> hmm
[22:32:01] <huseyinkozan> can it be the parameters of it
[22:32:22] <huseyinkozan> how can I find the pcmcia's id
[22:32:27] <huseyinkozan> and other stuff
[22:33:47] <eric_u> when you cat /proc/comedi there is a batch of garbage before your actual device
[22:34:15] <huseyinkozan> 8255 ?
[22:34:37] <huseyinkozan> original driver's module depends it
[22:34:56] <eric_u> well, for one thing it says "no devices" then lists your devices
[22:35:22] <eric_u> or maybe that's supposed to be there, I can't tell
[22:35:22] <huseyinkozan> hmm, what about ni_mio_cs things ?
[22:35:38] <eric_u> that looks good
[22:35:45] <huseyinkozan> :)
[22:36:25] <huseyinkozan> yes, it looks good, but it cannot find them :)
[22:36:49] <eric_u> it's a problem with comediconfig, and possibly how you are invoking it
[22:37:55] <huseyinkozan> I found something in /etc/pcmcia/comedi.conf
[22:37:56] <huseyinkozan> manfid 0x10b, 0x02c4
[22:38:09] <huseyinkozan> I'll try this
[22:39:02] <huseyinkozan> same
[22:40:55] <huseyinkozan> thank you very much eric_u, I'll take a break
[22:41:14] <eric_u> I think it may be the name you are giving comediconfig
[22:41:29] <huseyinkozan> hmm
[22:42:19] <huseyinkozan> http://www.comedi.org/hardware.html
[22:42:31] <huseyinkozan> this says it was the same with module
[22:43:04] <eric_u> too bad the machine I had that running on died multiple times since then
[22:43:40] <eric_u> that looks good, sorry I couldn't help more
[22:43:47] <huseyinkozan> can it be about my pc, I mean my pcmcia controller
[22:44:28] <eric_u> does the driver load ok? did you see it load in dmesg?
[22:45:24] <huseyinkozan> I got this :
[22:45:25] <huseyinkozan> hmm,
[22:45:31] <huseyinkozan> sorry
[22:45:38] <huseyinkozan> comedi: version 0.7.76 - http://www.comedi.org
[22:45:49] <huseyinkozan> after modprobe comedi
[22:45:56] <eric_u> talking about ni_mio_cs
[22:46:02] <huseyinkozan> and nothing after modprobe ni_mio_cs
[22:46:06] <eric_u> it looks like lspcmcia gives you nothing
[22:46:12] <huseyinkozan> yes
[22:46:21] <eric_u> that seems to indicate a problem with pcmcia
[22:46:46] <huseyinkozan> but the driver is the ni_ module ?
[22:46:54] <eric_u> yes
[22:46:55] <huseyinkozan> kernel doesnt supprt it
[22:47:04] <eric_u> that would be a problem
[22:47:26] <eric_u> you modprobe it
[22:48:09] <eric_u> the ni_mio_cs talks to hardware and exposes an interface to comedi, then there is a comedi module
[22:48:13] <huseyinkozan> yes, two of them
[22:48:30] <huseyinkozan> hmm
[22:48:51] <huseyinkozan> dmesg doesnt say anything
[22:48:57] <huseyinkozan> about ni_
[22:49:11] <huseyinkozan> but it loads
[22:49:39] <huseyinkozan> before I install, I tried with insmod in the source directory
[22:50:23] <huseyinkozan> I got some module unresolved symmbols, but after load the dependent modules it goes
[22:50:38] <huseyinkozan> I mean in dmesg
[22:53:15] <huseyinkozan> I am tired, thank you again eric_u
[22:53:29] <huseyinkozan> I will be here for some time
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[23:28:19] <edit_1p2> edit_1p2 is now known as fragalot
[23:33:23] <DaViruz> anyone know where i can source a touch point sensor with a 10mm (or less) shank?
[23:33:59] <toastydeath> have you looked in MSC, they've got some weird crap
[23:34:38] <DaViruz> hmm, i have not, their international shipping rates usually deter me but in this case i guess it could be worth it
[23:34:58] <DaViruz> i found one with mt2 shank, but taking the collet holder out for every edge finding operation seems like too much hassle
[23:38:09] <toastydeath> what are you doing for edge finding?
[23:38:12] <toastydeath> using a probe?
[23:39:12] <DaViruz> at the moment?
[23:40:11] <DaViruz> maybe i misunderstand the question
[23:40:54] <toastydeath> oh i was just asking if you are using a probe instead of an edge finder
[23:41:02] <toastydeath> for zeroing the machine
[23:41:15] <DaViruz> i usually stick a ground bar in a collet and measure my way around with a caliper or what ever is convenient
[23:41:36] <toastydeath> what's the caliper for?
[23:41:43] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has no ies
[23:41:45] <anonimasu> idea
[23:41:58] <DaViruz> checking the bars location relative to the work piece?
[23:42:02] <anonimasu> hmm, I usually use a piece of paper when I zero
[23:42:12] <toastydeath> i use an edge finder =/
[23:42:18] <toastydeath> a really good one, actually
[23:42:19] <DaViruz> a piece of paper is relatively thick actually
[23:42:23] <toastydeath> best 30 bucks ever
[23:42:30] <toastydeath> daviruz: it's about .003" thick
[23:42:33] <anonimasu> mine's crooked *cry*
[23:42:39] <archivist> I use a dti in the spindle to find a hole center
[23:42:47] <anonimasu> toastydeathyeah, sounds very right
[23:43:00] <DaViruz> better off using a 0.05mm feeler gauge in that case
[23:43:16] <toastydeath> daviruz: i dunno, i have never needed to use feeler gauges to align a machine in any way
[23:43:20] <DaViruz> (0.002")
[23:43:40] <toastydeath> because any touch method like that is not going to be that accurate
[23:43:59] <DaViruz> my machine has a little too much flex to get acceptable results with a feeler gauge though
[23:44:11] <anonimasu> uh
[23:44:29] <archivist> http://www.measureshop.biz/en/measuring-instruments/dial-bore-and-depth-gauges/centring-devices/diacator-centring-devices.html (dont look at the price)
[23:44:38] <DaViruz> i guess it boils down to what's acceptable..
[23:44:48] <toastydeath> archivist: we have one of those, it's okay
[23:44:52] <DaViruz> maybe i'm just being anal about it :)
[23:45:12] <archivist> I have one didnt pay that money though
[23:45:33] <anonimasu> stepping at it 1ยต at a time lets you feel when stuff stick pretty well
[23:45:54] <toastydeath> my recommendation is to just use a 30 dollar starret edgefinder
[23:46:00] <DaViruz> smallest whank msc had was 1/2"
[23:46:04] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[23:46:13] <archivist> setting up is a pain, any way to make it quicker and better should be looked at
[23:46:21] <anonimasu> if I were buying a new machine I'd buy a probe.
[23:46:50] <anonimasu> :)
[23:46:51] <DaViruz> probe as in electronic edge finder?
[23:46:54] <anonimasu> no
[23:46:57] <DaViruz> oh
[23:47:01] <toastydeath> daviruz: probe as in machine probe - sends a signal when it trips
[23:47:03] <anonimasu> probe as in probe that hooks up to the controller
[23:47:12] <DaViruz> oh
[23:47:14] <anonimasu> and just call up a probing cycle
[23:47:17] <archivist> I have a probe but its iso 50 , a little large for morse 2
[23:47:18] <DaViruz> well, that would be very convenient
[23:47:30] <anonimasu> :)
[23:47:50] <toastydeath> if you have the money to afford a machine with a probe, and the probing cycles enabled on the machine control, it's very nice
[23:47:51] <DaViruz> how does that work, does the probing speed has to be extremely slow to avoid crashing it?
[23:48:00] <DaViruz> or does it have some kind of proximity sensing which slows it down?
[23:48:02] <toastydeath> daviruz: there's a special g-code move
[23:48:09] <toastydeath> it's like g32 or something, you give it a feed rate
[23:48:24] <toastydeath> and it watches a pin on the control, and stops as soon as it sees the pin go hot
[23:48:35] <jmkasunich_> DaViruz: most probes have some overtravel
[23:48:45] <DaViruz> oh, okay
[23:48:56] <toastydeath> and yeah, the probes have like 10-15 degrees of swing
[23:49:03] <anonimasu> I drool over the probing cycles when I zero my big mill -_-
[23:49:30] <DaViruz> let's rephrase the question then, where do i find a probe with 10mm shank.. :-)
[23:49:44] <anonimasu> call reinshaw *grin*
[23:49:55] <toastydeath> yeah, renishaw holds most of the patents
[23:50:00] <toastydeath> and they're really expensive.
[23:50:07] <toastydeath> (the probes)
[23:50:08] <archivist> seen some renishaw on ebay
[23:50:09] <anonimasu> heidenain/reinshaw = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[23:50:29] <toastydeath> i still say an edgefinder is a better value
[23:50:32] <DaViruz> i suppose turning down the 1/2" shaft on a electronic edge finder is a bad idea too, i supposw they put the batteries or something in there
[23:50:38] <toastydeath> especially considering it only takes one hit to break a 300 dollar probe tip
[23:50:47] <toastydeath> i can break edgefinders all day long
[23:50:50] <toastydeath> and still be ahead
[23:51:08] <archivist> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENISHAW-PROBE-MODULE-TP20-CMM-MEASURING-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ380083771033QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Measuring_Tools_Levels?hash=item380083771033&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
[23:51:09] <toastydeath> daviruz: indeed, that would be ill advised
[23:51:16] <DaViruz> how about hooking up a output to a cheap electronic edge finder then?
[23:51:20] <anonimasu> ebay makes "reinshaw" > reins w
[23:51:58] <toastydeath> i'd be concered with feed rate with an electronic edgefinder
[23:52:00] <toastydeath> i broke one once
[23:52:07] <toastydeath> they do not flex too well
[23:52:22] <toastydeath> but if you figured it out, i suppose there's nothing stopping you
[23:52:39] <toastydeath> does emc have the interrupt feed g-code?
[23:52:53] <toastydeath> i think i've got the fanuc manual in my backpack to see which it is
[23:54:16] <toastydeath> skip function, G31
[23:55:50] <DaViruz> not as far as i can tell
[23:56:08] <toastydeath> it doesn't mention it in the gcode list
[23:56:33] <jepler> emc uses g38.2 for probing. http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G38.2:-Straight-Probe