#emc | Logs for 2008-11-13

[00:03:12] <dmess> well im off to see bob dylan... be back later with hearing loss im sure...;)
[00:04:09] <archivist> tell us if he sings in tune yet, been trying long enough
[00:05:42] <dmess> that part of his appeal.... any onw can do a BOB song...
[02:24:04] <kasuga> hi all
[03:12:13] <dmess> hi all... im back... no opening act.. just 2 solid hours of bob dylan and his band.... ;)
[03:33:54] <cradek> whee
[03:34:58] <cradek> measure - design - draw up - lathe - mill - drill - saw - tap - finished, working prototype in one evening
[03:35:16] <cradek> it's nice when all my tools (and I) just work right
[03:48:09] <dmess> ya gotta love it when ya make a plan... work it.... and IT works...
[04:03:38] <JymmmEMC> Hey I have a general question for ya all... If you could have sf.net be anything you wanted, what would that be?
[04:04:05] <cradek> wow, hard question
[04:04:38] <JymmmEMC> Didn't mena it to be =)
[04:05:06] <JymmmEMC> But would it be the same, diffenrent, add something, change something, take somethng away, etc.
[04:05:19] <cradek> the bug tracker would be much better
[04:05:27] <cradek> maybe bugzilla
[04:05:50] <cradek> they would have a variety of _reliable_ source control systems to choose from
[04:06:05] <cradek> mainly it would be like it is, but better
[04:06:15] <cradek> their site would not be full of advertising
[04:06:30] <cradek> it would have a wiki and other web hosting so we don't have to come up with it
[04:06:37] <JymmmEMC> is it the ads or more UI ?
[04:06:57] <cradek> sorry?
[04:07:29] <JymmmEMC> UI == The look and feel of it
[04:07:33] <JymmmEMC> visually, etc
[04:07:46] <JymmmEMC> UI = User Interface
[04:07:50] <cradek> I know I know
[04:08:03] <cradek> sorry, I don't understand what you're asking
[04:08:18] <cradek> what is "it" in "is it" in your question?
[04:08:18] <JymmmEMC> Example, google has a lot of ads, but I dont think ppl have an issue with them due to the UI
[04:09:09] <cradek> oh you mean their website?
[04:09:10] <JymmmEMC> it being the look and feel of sf.net itself
[04:09:16] <JymmmEMC> right
[04:09:29] <cradek> it's neither totally look-and-feel nor ads
[04:09:41] <cradek> most of the specifics I listed above are functionality
[04:09:49] <cradek> ads are just a minor irritation
[04:10:26] <JymmmEMC> cradek: so more too many ads per page? overall?
[04:11:17] <cradek> forget ads
[04:11:49] <cradek> I don't care about ads - the other things are much more important
[04:11:54] <JymmmEMC> okey, anything else you might change/add/remove?
[04:12:13] <cradek> if you're asking about look-and-feel of a web site, or the functionality and usefulness of the sourceforge services?
[04:12:17] <cradek> grr
[04:12:21] <cradek> I meant 'are you asking ...'
[04:12:40] <JymmmEMC> cradek: anything at all really.
[04:13:01] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, I have a couple of things for SF :)
[04:13:07] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: go for it
[04:13:30] <SWPadnos> well, I don't like the new "web2.0-ish/Vista-ish" look and feel
[04:13:31] <cradek> I'm curious about how the results of the survey are going to be used...
[04:14:15] <cradek> "Shilts was charged with ... felony discharging bodily fluids at a public safety worker"
[04:14:17] <SWPadnos> I'd like to have non-javascript/non-flash/non-flashy access to hosted projects
[04:14:58] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: so slimline somewhat like google does?
[04:15:09] <JymmmEMC> minimalistic?
[04:15:55] <SWPadnos> the "at-a-glance" thing isn't useful to me, and colapsing all the things you can access (downloads/screenshots/help/...) by hiding some of them until you click something just doesn't work for me
[04:15:56] <JymmmEMC> lol @ cradek
[04:16:02] <fenn> JymmmEMC: minimalist gets my vote
[04:16:16] <fenn> support for other RCS besides subversion
[04:16:19] <SWPadnos> not necessarily minimalistic, just don't change stuff to match the Windows look-du-jour
[04:16:45] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: ok.
[04:16:51] <SWPadnos> that's what it looks like to me anyway - shiny buttons with bright colors, everything's a graphic when it doesn't need to be ...
[04:16:51] <cradek> fenn: are they only svn now?
[04:16:59] <fenn> i dont really pay much attention, actually
[04:17:10] <SWPadnos> I don't think so
[04:17:12] <fenn> but i assume things like github wouldnt exist otherwise
[04:17:17] <JymmmEMC> So overall SF.net in what they are now is fine, just polish it so to speak?
[04:17:37] <SWPadnos> well, reliability has to be excellent, which I'm not sure it is
[04:17:56] <fenn> yeah the mailing lists take a dump every couple months
[04:17:59] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: whats not reliable and since about when?
[04:18:02] <SWPadnos> our mailing lists still go through SF, and sometimes mails are delayed (for some people) by hours or days
[04:18:04] <fenn> the mailing list interface sucks overall
[04:18:35] <JymmmEMC> Well the mailing lists had some hickups, but that's stated in the announcements page
[04:18:35] <fenn> there should be an option to not allow anonymous bug reports
[04:18:39] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure if CVS is reliable now, but you may know that access problems were the reason we moved CVS away from SF
[04:19:02] <cradek> their ML archive search etc is totally unusable
[04:19:21] <SWPadnos> is something like TRAC available? (don't know that we would use it though)
[04:19:42] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: for bug tracking?
[04:19:55] <SWPadnos> no, it's more like wiki-ish markup for code notes
[04:20:02] <SWPadnos> it integrates nicely with SVN
[04:20:09] <SWPadnos> I guess it does do bug tracking too
[04:20:37] <fenn> there should be a url like http://sf.net/lists/emc instead of the random number url you get now
[04:20:38] <SWPadnos> oh, add lxr or something like it too :)
[04:21:00] <SWPadnos> isn't it something like sf.net/emc/lists/ now ?
[04:21:01] <cradek> gmane is so superior to sf's ML archives
[04:21:16] <fenn> SWPadnos: hey that actually works
[04:21:22] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:21:36] <fenn> it redirects to mail/?group_id=6744 though
[04:21:42] <SWPadnos> ah, ok
[04:22:17] <JymmmEMC> fenn: is that such a bad thing?
[04:22:37] <fenn> JymmmEMC: if i dont ever see a url, how am i supposed to know it exists?
[04:22:50] <JymmmEMC> fenn: ask SWPadnos =)
[04:23:04] <SWPadnos> maybe there is no URL
[04:23:14] <fenn> SWPadnos: remember that movie "the net" where there was a little pi symbol? what was the url to that?
[04:23:26] <SWPadnos> I never saw that movie :)
[04:23:30] <fenn> bah
[04:23:41] <SWPadnos> I have a friend who got (even more) paranoid after seeing it though
[04:24:01] <SWPadnos> oh, actually I think I did see part of it
[04:24:32] <JymmmEMC> heh, I remember that
[04:30:23] <SWPadnos> if you look at http://trac.edgewall.org/browser you can see the wiki-like features of trac that I think are cool
[04:30:57] <SWPadnos> it hot-links wiki words, changeset numbers, and bug numbers in the commit messages
[04:40:55] <SWPadnos> heh - a perfect (though not very bad) example of SF mailing list issues
[04:41:11] <SWPadnos> Jack Coats just sent two emails, one in reply to the other
[04:41:47] <SWPadnos> I received the reply a few minutes before the original, and both of them came ~10 minutes after they were sent
[04:43:01] <SWPadnos> that's not a critical example of the problem, but I have seen the same thing with delays of several hours to even a couple of days (though those could be a relay retransmit delay thing)
[05:30:36] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Try not to confuse greylisting ( a very necessary evil) with periodic server hiccups with misconfigured sending servers too
[05:38:43] <JymmmEMC> JymmmEMC is now known as MrAsshole
[05:39:44] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as JymmmEMC
[08:38:31] <Fi514> good afternoon
[08:45:46] <alex_joni> good morning :)
[08:50:38] <Fi514> :)
[08:51:05] <Fi514> we are in the other side of the earthling
[08:54:07] <Fi514> do you know what software could do 3D design and generate G-code on linux..? ..preffered is opensource one
[09:00:18] <Fi514> im having problem crossing from windowsXP to Linux, i might need one
[09:02:12] <alex_joni> Fi514: hmm.. there are a couple mentioned here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
[09:04:55] <Fi514> ok. ill go there
[11:45:19] <fragalot> cursed be EMC. :p I wanted the "help", so i hit F1,.....
[11:47:46] <alex_joni> fragalot: heh :)
[11:50:33] <fragalot> is there a way to "define" the tools?
[11:51:52] <archivist> tool table? its a text table you edit
[11:52:17] <fragalot> and where might that be located?
[11:54:16] <archivist> I would have to read the manual to tell you
[11:56:30] <fragalot> bleh :p
[11:56:33] <fragalot> * fragalot reads it
[12:00:28] <anonimasu> they really sent the scraper :)
[12:00:50] <archivist> you a happy boy then
[12:00:56] <anonimasu> yep
[12:01:01] <anonimasu> teir email template was messed up
[12:01:07] <anonimasu> I passed a physics test toda
[12:01:08] <anonimasu> y
[12:01:21] <anonimasu> well, im 90% sure it's better then just passing
[12:01:41] <fragalot> lol
[12:01:52] <fragalot> if you get that feeling, usually you end up getting dissapointed
[12:01:52] <fragalot> :p
[12:01:56] <anonimasu> haha
[12:02:10] <anonimasu> it was easy though :)
[12:02:24] <anonimasu> there was one hard question in the whole test
[12:02:44] <anonimasu> :)
[12:03:01] <anonimasu> to calculte the energy of a thing sliding by some photocells
[12:03:24] <anonimasu> (how much energy was converted to heat)
[12:05:09] <fragalot> well, heat /IS/ energy, so you just calc. the joules & yerdone.
[12:05:10] <fragalot> :p
[12:05:47] <archivist> joules are lacking here
[12:05:47] <anonimasu> oh.. I got the time difference
[12:06:06] <anonimasu> the time it took to pass the photocells
[12:06:11] <anonimasu> I derived the velocity out of that
[12:06:52] <anonimasu> ie, how much was lost during the slope..
[12:08:10] <fragalot> thats the idea.
[12:08:32] <anonimasu> yep
[12:08:41] <anonimasu> that's gotta be friction :)
[12:09:52] <anonimasu> I know there's a neat wa of caclcing it with the F=mgh
[12:09:52] <anonimasu> and cos..
[12:12:17] <fragalot> damnit why won't the X axis work
[12:12:20] <fragalot> :(
[12:12:38] <fragalot> the enable pin works,.. lets try pulsing the step manually
[12:16:17] <fragalot> Nope, thats not it either
[12:16:17] <fragalot> all thats left is the current limiter gone bonkers :(
[12:18:53] <fragalot> AND I think i just found a bug in EMC2.. keyboard jogging, if i hold 3 down, and 2, then keep holding 3, but quickly let go of 2 and hit 8, the Y axis doesn't change direction like it should and keeps on going
[12:18:53] <fragalot> could be the pc & keyboard too tho :p
[12:23:50] <fragalot> yep, current limitation on the X axis is shot, which means i get to tear the PCB out again (sigh) and then spend quite some time trying to find the issue :'(