#emc | Logs for 2008-11-11

[00:08:57] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: ping
[00:43:49] <SWPadnos> boing
[00:46:14] <BigJohnT> wack
[00:46:43] <SWPadnos> sponnnng
[00:47:15] <BigJohnT> buglump
[00:47:21] <SWPadnos> ewww
[00:47:38] <BigJohnT> eup
[00:47:56] <BigJohnT> gnipsel
[00:48:45] <SWPadnos> ok, you win (whatever it is we're playing)
[00:49:13] <BigJohnT> no time for sargents.... the most famous quotes
[00:49:39] <SWPadnos> oh, ok (never heard of it)
[00:50:22] <BigJohnT> when Stockdale, Will, Will, Stockdale took the eye test
[00:50:58] <SWPadnos> well, that explains, uh, everything?
[00:51:11] <BigJohnT> he tried to form words out of the letters
[00:51:19] <BigJohnT> from the eye chart
[00:51:27] <SWPadnos> ah
[00:51:47] <BigJohnT> you need to see it if you like classic comedy
[00:51:58] <SWPadnos> some day :)
[00:53:41] <BigJohnT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Time_for_Sergeants
[01:17:35] <Guest983> test
[01:18:08] <SWPadnos> toast
[01:18:21] <SWPadnos> seems to be working
[01:19:01] <Guest983> anyone here ever succesfully used lim with emc2?
[01:19:10] <SWPadnos> what is lim?
[01:19:16] <Guest983> linear induction motor
[01:19:31] <Guest983> also called linear motors
[01:19:40] <SWPadnos> oh, possibly
[01:19:58] <SWPadnos> EMC doesn't care what kind of motor you're driving, you just need the appropriate driver
[01:20:41] <Guest983> well obviously
[01:20:45] <SWPadnos> as long as the motor driver can take one of the forms of output EMC can generate (step/dir, analog, PWM) and there's encoder-style position feedback, you should be OK
[01:21:17] <Guest983> thats a way of asking if anyone ever managed to rig a lim to run with emc2
[01:21:30] <SWPadnos> I don't know for sure
[01:21:50] <Guest983> I have been toying with the idea or building homemade lim for a year or two
[01:21:51] <SWPadnos> but I can't imagine why it wouldn't work - for example, Yaskawa uses the same drives for linear or rotary AC motors
[01:21:59] <SWPadnos> heh, good luck on that front :)
[01:22:37] <Guest983> true, thats no different than running any servo...
[01:22:55] <BigJohnT> there are a bunch of linear motors on old sat dishes
[01:23:34] <Guest983> didnt knew that, any idea where I could pick up some garbage dishes?
[01:24:19] <jmkasunich> true linear motors? or rotary motors driving screws?
[01:24:22] <BigJohnT> you have to get there ahead of the scrap metal haulers they are in peoples yards
[01:24:44] <Guest983> real linears motors
[01:25:03] <BigJohnT> ahh well they would be rotary motors driving a screw
[01:27:53] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT looked up linear motors
[01:28:01] <Guest983> something else I been wondering since I have never downloaded before the emc2 live cd. Is Ubuntu coming with all the std utility programs such as openoffice or is it only a clean install for emc?
[01:28:15] <SWPadnos> it's unclean
[01:28:23] <BigJohnT> it's loaded up
[01:28:28] <SWPadnos> OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, gimp ...
[01:29:32] <Guest983> aside from that and the probable fact that the basic loading kernel is rtai, is there any other difference?
[01:29:53] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT takes back linear motor and replaces it with linear actuator
[01:30:57] <BigJohnT> it has EMC2 :)
[01:31:01] <SWPadnos> since the kernel is RTAI-modified, you need a different package with the linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules if you need to support certain sound, video and wifi chips
[01:31:39] <SWPadnos> those package are not installed by default, so some hardware that works on stock Ubuntu may not work on EMC2+Ubuntu until you install the necessary package
[01:31:49] <SWPadnos> or packages)
[01:32:21] <BigJohnT> SWPadnos: can I quote that? :)
[01:32:36] <SWPadnos> only if jepler, alex, and cradek confirm it first ;)
[01:32:46] <Guest983> thanks for the answer
[01:32:47] <BigJohnT> LOL
[01:32:51] <SWPadnos> sure
[01:33:12] <BigJohnT> crap, I lost the remote
[01:33:41] <SWPadnos> I hate when that happens
[01:34:17] <BigJohnT> yep, don't pay attention to FF through the commercials and the wife swipes the remote
[01:34:31] <SWPadnos> incidentally, if you (anyone) decide to get a blu-ray player and you have a 1080p TV/monitor, run (don't walk) to your nearest blu-ray dealer and buy the BBC series "Planet Earth"
[01:35:14] <BigJohnT> what is blu-ray SWPadnos
[01:35:18] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:35:22] <SWPadnos> better DVDs ;)
[01:35:30] <BigJohnT> oh cool
[01:36:01] <BigJohnT> can you play regular DVD's on a blu-ray
[01:36:09] <Guest983> SWPados quoted for truth
[01:36:17] <SWPadnos> if there's a Costco nearby, they should have a good deal on a pretty good player, $200 for a Panasonic BDP30
[01:36:22] <SWPadnos> yes you can
[01:36:50] <SWPadnos> many players upscale output for SD DVDs
[01:36:50] <BigJohnT> nearest costco is in St Louis ... 3hrs away
[01:36:57] <SWPadnos> online then ;)
[01:37:04] <BigJohnT> yep
[01:37:19] <SWPadnos> or have Jon E get you one ;)
[01:37:36] <BigJohnT> ok that would work
[01:38:30] <SWPadnos> oops, it's a DMP-BD30A
[01:38:50] <SWPadnos> I knew there was a 30 in there somewhere
[01:39:29] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT does another google search
[01:39:49] <SWPadnos> it's not the finest player out there, but it's a good value
[01:40:15] <SWPadnos> most of the reviews I found put it pretty high on the quality scale, and they were talking about getting a steal at $450
[01:42:20] <BigJohnT> SWPadnos: do you have one?
[01:42:24] <dmess> I'm off to start the furnace... the bratty kids are complainin' and its only 11c
[01:42:27] <SWPadnos> yep
[01:42:49] <BigJohnT> cool
[01:42:53] <SWPadnos> I'm trying to decide whether to get an HDFury2 or a new big screen TV
[01:43:28] <dmess> wheres the $$$ tree growin'
[01:43:39] <SWPadnos> my big screen is quite old, and is only "HD-Ready" (ie, no HD tuner), and it's old enough that it doesn't have any form of digital input (FireWire, DVI, HDMI are all missing)
[01:43:44] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:43:50] <SWPadnos> if I told you, I'd have to kill you
[01:44:12] <dmess> it'd be 1 heck of a hunt.. ;)
[01:44:16] <SWPadnos> heh :)
[01:44:35] <BigJohnT> I don't have a clue what mine has, except it takes up the whole wall
[01:44:47] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:45:04] <SWPadnos> the HDFury is pretty cool (version 2 anyway), but it's $250 here
[01:45:20] <SWPadnos> my TV is a nice Mitsubishi 3-CRT rear projector
[01:46:01] <SWPadnos> then again, larger-screen/physically smaller units are out there now, with HDMI inputs, at 1080p
[01:46:34] <SWPadnos> and the HDFury2 is 1/6-1/8 the cost of one of those new sets
[01:46:59] <BigJohnT> what does the HDFury2 do?
[01:47:21] <SWPadnos> it converts HDMI (encrypted digital) to component output, which I can then feed into my TV
[01:47:40] <SWPadnos> but only at 1080i, not 1080p (and no 720P either)
[01:47:58] <BigJohnT> cable to tv?
[01:48:23] <SWPadnos> HDMI cable to HDFury2, 3-RCA cable from HDFury2 to TV
[01:48:30] <SWPadnos> or are you talking about cable TV?
[01:48:47] <BigJohnT> yea, I was talking about cable tv
[01:48:58] <SWPadnos> oh, well that could work, but we just canceled it ;)
[01:49:22] <BigJohnT> I'm on dish network I think
[01:49:25] <SWPadnos> we get more PBS channels over the air (with an analog converter box upstairs) than we got with cable
[01:49:54] <SWPadnos> the lowest cost digital HD cable or satellite planes here are $35-$50/month, and it's not worth it to us
[01:49:59] <BigJohnT> we get 1 1/2 channels over the air :)
[01:50:09] <SWPadnos> heh, that's why we had cable originally
[01:50:23] <SWPadnos> but the digital tuner seems to pull in the channels better
[01:50:30] <SWPadnos> and then ther eare the sub-channels ...
[01:51:03] <SWPadnos> the CBS and NBC affiliates each have a second channel that's all-day weather (I think - haven't watched all day to be sure ;) )
[01:51:17] <SWPadnos> one of them has a sports-oriented sub-channel
[01:51:32] <SWPadnos> the Vermont PBS station has 5 sub-channels, and the New York one has two or three
[01:51:45] <SWPadnos> so we get a fair amount over the air now
[01:51:54] <BigJohnT> I usually watch recorded shows on the DVR
[01:52:15] <SWPadnos> it's funny - I don't have a DVR
[01:52:24] <BigJohnT> we only have one local channel
[01:52:26] <SWPadnos> you'd expect me to have been an early adopter there ;)
[01:53:14] <BigJohnT> the best part is fast forward through the barrage of commercials...
[01:53:19] <SWPadnos> yep
[01:53:25] <SWPadnos> that's why we stick with PBS or DVDs
[01:53:37] <SWPadnos> at least you have time to go to the bathroom with the PBS station breaks
[01:55:54] <BigJohnT> time to chill out
[01:55:58] <BigJohnT> ttul
[02:06:18] <toastydeath> swpadnos:
[02:06:23] <SWPadnos> ?
[02:06:30] <toastydeath> you said "toast" way earlier.
[02:06:41] <SWPadnos> heh. almost rhymes with "test" :)
[02:06:45] <toastydeath> oh
[02:06:58] <SWPadnos> I was wondering if you'd notice it
[02:22:49] <Guest983> test
[02:22:53] <Guest983> (nah)
[02:35:37] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: want a 8 port HUB
[02:35:45] <SWPadnos> 10/100 only?
[02:35:49] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[02:35:55] <SWPadnos> oh, hub. hmmm
[02:36:27] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: yeah, a bit of a rarity these days
[02:36:32] <SWPadnos> I think I have a dual-speed switch that acts like a hub for same-speed devices
[02:36:56] <SWPadnos> (ie, it's like a 100Bt hub and a 10Bt hub, connected toghet with a 2-port switch)
[02:37:08] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: hub, RT control over ethernet, hint hint nudge nudge
[02:37:17] <SWPadnos> yeah, I get it ;)
[02:37:53] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Well I be too stupid to be able to, but if I can nudge ya in the direct direction..... ;)
[02:37:55] <SWPadnos> I think the one I have will work though, as long as all the devices are the same speed
[02:38:11] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: it's free if you want it
[02:38:17] <SWPadnos> I'm hard to nudge - I've got a very active lazy gene
[02:38:56] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Well it was the only thing that I think would have put a dmaperner in just prototyping
[02:39:12] <SWPadnos> oh, I have crossover cables as well :)
[02:39:27] <SWPadnos> which are fine for single-unit testing
[02:39:28] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Sure, but not for multiple axises
[02:39:44] <SWPadnos> only if each axis has a separate ethernet-connected driver
[02:39:56] <SWPadnos> for an outboard pulse/PWM generator, it wouldn't be needed
[02:39:58] <JymmmEMC> why not? KISS
[02:40:03] <SWPadnos> that's not simple
[02:40:21] <JymmmEMC> one port per axis per port?
[02:40:22] <SWPadnos> it is for the axis doohixkey, but not for the PC driver
[02:40:35] <SWPadnos> uh, what?
[02:40:38] <JymmmEMC> token ring baby!!!
[02:40:43] <JymmmEMC> lol
[02:40:57] <SWPadnos> that's like ethercat ;)
[02:41:02] <JymmmEMC> ew
[02:41:36] <JymmmEMC> you cna shove it in your luggage the next time your here
[02:48:35] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: you have any dealings with intel RAID cards?
[02:50:16] <SWPadnos> no, but I had an Intel SCSI RAID cage
[02:50:21] <SWPadnos> probably still have it actually
[02:50:25] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: and?
[02:51:19] <SWPadnos> and what? I didn't have any Intel RAID controllers ...
[02:51:29] <JymmmEMC> oh, sorry.
[02:52:37] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: http://www.intel.com/products/server/raid-controllers/srcsatawb/srcsatawb-overview.htm
[02:53:49] <SWPadnos> looks fine to me
[02:54:12] <JymmmEMC> I'm confused... it says 8 drives, but 16 supported???
[02:56:13] <SWPadnos> it does say 16 drives with "expander-based backplanes"
[02:56:28] <JymmmEMC> ah, ok. but at least 8 native?
[02:56:45] <SWPadnos> looks like it - those look like the 4-drive connectors I've seen
[02:57:24] <JymmmEMC> I'm not familure enough with all the sata variant connectors. Just used to individual
[04:38:28] <KimK> this is off-topic, but with the February analog TV deadline approaching, is anyone using MythTV (Mythbuntu?) and in particular the HD-5500 HDTV card from http://www.pchdtv.com/ ? How's the HD-5500 working out for you? Likes? Dislikes?
[04:59:35] <cradek> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Us_drill_sizes_2.png
[05:00:01] <cradek> dangit, I wanted to program my calculator to know letter and number drill sizes. but, there's no formula.
[05:08:06] <toastydeath> =/
[05:08:11] <toastydeath> MADNESS
[05:08:33] <jmkasunich> cradek: the formula is simple
[05:08:43] <jmkasunich> dia = LUT[drill_no]
[05:08:49] <cradek> bah
[05:20:27] <JymmmEMC> E & F jump by .0070 weird
[06:15:13] <Paragon_> Paragon_ is now known as Paragon
[07:38:47] <alex_jon1> alex_jon1 is now known as alex_joni
[08:50:22] <anonimasu> hello
[09:05:53] <izua> izua is now known as Guest9669
[09:13:02] <archivist_ub> logger_emc: bookmark
[09:13:02] <archivist_ub> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-11-11.txt
[09:14:54] <archivist_ub> archivist_ub is now known as archivist
[09:16:46] <alex_joni> hello
[09:24:01] <archivist> I had to reboot xchat this morning :( box uptime is 63 days
[10:24:13] <alex_joni> archivist: juve@proxy:~$ uptime
[10:24:13] <alex_joni> 12:21:18 up 289 days, 21:53, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[10:24:52] <archivist> not bad
[11:45:38] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[11:47:42] <BigJohnT> morning
[11:48:56] <piasdom> BigJohnT: why did you look at the pin conf. on me stepconf ? i didn't show you what i had.
[11:49:40] <BigJohnT> I don't understand your question
[11:49:51] <piasdom> BigJohnT: yesterday
[11:50:42] <BigJohnT> when you told me it only moved one step that is common symptom for crossed step and direction
[11:50:42] <piasdom> BigJohnT: you showed me the that my pin step and direction were opposite
[11:51:15] <piasdom> BigJohnT: cool. thanks again
[11:51:27] <BigJohnT> np
[11:51:52] <BigJohnT> I've actually added that to the troubleshooting section of the manual
[11:52:33] <piasdom> BigJohnT: where can i get the new manual ?
[11:54:01] <BigJohnT> the latest one is always on line... the pdf will have it all, I try and keep the htmls up too
[11:54:16] <piasdom> cool
[11:54:33] <BigJohnT> http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/5/5/lang,en/
[11:55:10] <BigJohnT> if you see something that is not clear in the manuals can you let me know?
[11:55:23] <BigJohnT> you can help me that way
[12:03:55] <piasdom> BigJohnT: ok...will do...been reading
[12:04:06] <BigJohnT> ok
[12:05:55] <piasdom> it'll make me learn :)
[13:15:09] <piasdom> BigJohnT here ?
[13:15:57] <archivist> nope
[13:16:06] <piasdom> thanks
[13:26:57] <fragalot> http://failblog.org/2008/11/10/dear-abby-fail/
[13:28:55] <cradek> fragalot: heh, is it bad if it took me a minute to figure it out?
[13:29:04] <fragalot> lol, yes
[13:29:22] <cradek> wonder if it's real.
[13:31:02] <alex_joni> it's nice.. but the comments are really something
[13:31:54] <alex_joni> "Mon aƩroglisseur est plein d.anguilles." wtf?
[13:34:41] <alex_joni> http://failblog.org/2008/11/10/dear-abby-fail/#comment-162353 heh
[13:38:36] <alex_joni> http://failblog.org/2008/11/04/pdt-fail/ rofl
[13:46:38] <F15i4> :)
[13:46:56] <F15i4> good 'day
[13:52:07] <jepler> hi F15i4
[14:00:02] <alex_joni> hello F15i4
[14:02:42] <anonimasu> never every buy cheap toolholders.
[14:02:45] <anonimasu> ever..
[14:14:11] <anonimasu> toastatwork: hey
[14:14:26] <anonimasu> toastatwork: I've learned something new today
[14:14:37] <anonimasu> toastatwork: never to bu el-cheapo toolholders again.
[14:16:05] <archivist> what broke?
[14:16:15] <fragalot> this time
[14:17:14] <fragalot> also, for slides... round bars, or L profiles? :p
[14:18:52] <anonimasu> err tool holders for the mill
[14:19:25] <anonimasu> they got 0.02mm tir -_- right below the spindle
[14:19:38] <anonimasu> sorry 0.05
[14:19:52] <anonimasu> and ~0.10 1dm down
[14:20:05] <anonimasu> my _better_ brand toolholder has 0.01mm 1dm from the spindle
[14:20:25] <anonimasu> that's 0.005 in one direction of throw
[14:22:45] <alex_joni> fragalot: you've done it again..
[14:22:56] <alex_joni> now it must surf failblog for another 2h :/
[14:23:06] <anonimasu> alex_joni: you fail.
[14:23:45] <SWPadnos> holy cow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYOfoqWUZUw
[14:26:34] <fragalot> alex_joni: hehe
[14:26:45] <fragalot> SWPadnos: only in india
[14:26:54] <SWPadnos> no, other places too
[14:27:03] <alex_joni> http://failblog.org/2008/10/01/christmas-candle-fail/
[14:27:22] <fragalot> WHOAH
[14:27:30] <fragalot> SWPadnos: holy cows other places?
[14:27:45] <SWPadnos> sure, India isn't the only place with hindus :)
[14:29:26] <fragalot> :o
[14:30:13] <anonimasu> time to see if this comp will boot over PXE
[14:30:24] <fragalot> time to go work on my lil machine again
[14:30:53] <fragalot> yknow.. i hate it when you get a brilliant idea to make it so much easier, but to do that idea. you have to throw all the old out ....
[14:31:15] <fragalot> owell, next time
[14:31:18] <fragalot> :D
[14:36:30] <kaien> is emc-environment a executiable file?
[14:40:18] <jepler> kaien: it is a file that should be sourced into the shell. that is what the "." shell command does.
[14:40:26] <jepler> ". scripts/emc-environment"
[14:47:43] <kaien> jepler: thanks, i got it
[14:49:46] <kaien> sleeping time, good night
[14:50:36] <BigJohnT> is there a place like imagebin or pastebin to put a zip file of a config online?
[14:50:47] <SWPadnos> how bug is it?
[14:50:49] <SWPadnos> or big
[14:51:07] <BigJohnT> it would be the files in a typ EMC config
[14:51:10] <SWPadnos> http://filebin.ca/
[14:51:19] <SWPadnos> or you can upload to the linuxcnc wiki
[14:51:20] <BigJohnT> thanks SWPadnos
[14:51:30] <BigJohnT> ok
[14:55:51] <jymm> SWPadnos: hub or no hub?
[14:56:30] <SWPadnos> did you say it's a 10/100 hub?
[14:56:38] <jymm> SWPadnos: yep, 8p
[14:56:44] <SWPadnos> ok, because that's impossible :)
[14:56:54] <jymm> sigh, hang on....
[14:57:13] <SWPadnos> it's got to be similar to mine (internal switch), or it has to choose one mode at a time
[14:57:42] <SWPadnos> (if you think about it, you can't connect a 100bT card to a 10bT card via a hub - they won't work)
[14:58:21] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: DS524 24-port 10/100 (bridging between 10 and 100 Mbps filters packets!)
[14:58:27] <alex_joni> from Netgear
[14:58:36] <SWPadnos> right, it's two hubs internally, and a 2-port switch
[14:58:42] <SWPadnos> for the most part
[14:58:52] <SWPadnos> I have one like that also, called a "dual-speed hub"
[14:58:53] <alex_joni> http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/DS524.asp
[14:59:37] <SWPadnos> see - they even call it a dual-speed hub :)
[14:59:39] <jymm> http://logicalplus.stores.yahoo.net/liefhub810de.html
[14:59:50] <jymm> SWPadnos: ^^^^^
[15:00:19] <SWPadnos> Internal Store-and-Forward Switching for Effective Traffic Reduction.
[15:00:26] <archivist> who uses hubs these days...
[15:00:32] <SWPadnos> RTNet users
[15:01:05] <alex_joni> and ethercat users probably
[15:01:12] <alex_joni> bbl
[15:01:37] <SWPadnos> no, ethercat uses a ring connection scheme, and each device has an in port and an out port (IIRC)
[15:01:55] <jymm> SWPadnos: Keep or trash?
[15:02:18] <SWPadnos> well, you can keep it. I'm pretty sure it does exactly what my TrendNet 10/100 8-port dual-speed hub does :)
[15:02:32] <SWPadnos> thanks anyway though
[15:02:49] <jymm> SWPadnos: trash it goes... done
[15:03:16] <SWPadnos> if only cleaning my office were that easy
[15:03:44] <jymm> oh but it is.... dumpster and a bobcat
[15:04:02] <SWPadnos> well, I could just use a snow shovel, but there might be Good Stuff(TM) in there
[15:04:58] <jymm> if it doesn't fit in your hand, trash it
[15:05:11] <archivist> does that trump Might Be Useful
[15:05:30] <jymm> hand or 1u
[15:05:32] <SWPadnos> Good Stuff(TM) doesn't need to be useful
[15:05:54] <archivist> uselful doesnt need to be good :)
[15:06:20] <archivist> junk saving, I haz it
[15:07:01] <jymm> You spend the 1st half of your life collecting things, and the 2nd half getting rid of them.
[15:07:18] <archivist> never get rid......
[15:07:29] <archivist> thats for the next generation
[15:07:39] <jymm> archivist: move sometime and you'll think differently
[15:08:01] <servant74> Ola ... I am doing a 'new install' and having trouble with the display of Axis and getting 'hashing' on the screen. ... I sent in a bugtrap to Ubuntu, and they said it is a EMC kernel issue. (8.04, using emc-install.sh to get EMC). ... Suggestions?
[15:08:02] <archivist> would need a lorry or three
[15:08:21] <cradek> servant74: they are probably wrong. did you turn off all desktop effects?
[15:08:24] <servant74> I keep to much GoodStuff(TM) so my wife says :)
[15:08:48] <servant74> Nothing special on. ... like what, and I'll give it a shot!
[15:08:50] <cradek> servant74: desktop effects break ALL opengl applications that don't run full screen (like screen savers)
[15:09:30] <servant74> Screen savers are off, nothing else with a display running, but let me go check. ... will be back in a couple mins.
[15:09:54] <cradek> I meant to say that screen savers are the only opengl apps that would work right, if you have desktop effects on.
[15:11:02] <jepler> what video chipset? did you install any special drivers for your video (either ubuntu "restricted drivers" or drivers downloaded from a vendor)?
[15:11:45] <cradek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardyDesktopEffects#Outstanding%20Issues
[15:16:16] <servant74> Cradek ... I made sure that no other applications were runing, screen saver is disabled, but it still displays 'hash' on the lower 2/3 of the display when I start Axis (it goes through the splash display, and select config before the Axis screen shows and the 'hash' starts.
[15:17:30] <cradek> but those are not what I told you to check - in preferences there are "desktop effects" - I suspect you need to turn them off
[15:17:47] <cradek> http://www.neohide.com/ubuntu-desktop-effects-for-hardy-heron
[15:17:52] <cradek> this page "sort of" tells where to find them
[15:17:56] <servant74> Ok, I'll be back again:)
[15:18:02] <cradek> preferences / appearance / visual effects
[15:18:09] <cradek> sorry, I used the wrong word
[15:18:42] <servant74> no prob ... thnks for the help!
[15:20:04] <cradek> also like jepler asked, what video chipset is it and did you install a special driver? it'd be nice to know which ones are problematic.
[15:20:11] <servant74> already set to 'none'
[15:20:13] <cradek> I'm expecting it's intel
[15:20:16] <cradek> hmmmmm
[15:21:02] <servant74> yes, i810 , built into an iPaq desktop with Legacy ports ... worked ok under 6.06 :(
[15:22:18] <servant74> I can run the LiveCD with no problem... I am guessing a conflict between updated OpenGL and the kernel, but that is just a guess with no basis other than gut feeling
[15:22:22] <cradek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/110299
[15:22:35] <cradek> oh when booting from the CD it works right?
[15:23:07] <cradek> now wait a second
[15:23:21] <cradek> is your CD the one with EMC on it, or the stock ubuntu hardy?
[15:23:32] <servant74> yea, that is what is making me balder. I have done both.
[15:23:38] <jepler> cradek: servant74 said he used emc-install.sh
[15:23:55] <cradek> I know, but then how can it [AXIS] work when booted from CD? That makes no sense.
[15:24:04] <servant74> this build is stock UBUNTU cd then install using emc-install.sh ... not from the live CD
[15:24:26] <servant74> If I boot from the liveCD INSTEAD of my disk, it appears to work
[15:24:42] <cradek> so you also have the linuxcnc hardy CD with EMC on it?
[15:25:12] <servant74> Now I am questining myself, but I think so.
[15:25:23] <cradek> both CDs are "live" so I could not tell which one you mean
[15:25:38] <cradek> could you try those tests again to be sure?
[15:26:09] <servant74> ... to semi-start over. ... where I am seeing the issue, is a fresh ubuntu install from the ubuntu (not EMC) cd yesterday. then
[15:26:29] <servant74> put on all the latest ubuntu patches, then download and run emc2-install.sh
[15:26:40] <servant74> does that make sense?
[15:26:56] <cradek> yes I follow so far
[15:27:22] <cradek> but did you say it [AXIS, EMC] works when booted from CD [the linuxcnc CD I assume]?
[15:27:45] <servant74> yes, from the linuxcnc live CD.
[15:28:00] <cradek> that's a very interesting twist then
[15:28:37] <cradek> are you sure your linuxcnc cd is also hardy?
[15:29:02] <cradek> something doesn't make sense...
[15:29:25] <servant74> let me find the CD and boot it again.
[15:29:34] <cradek> ok
[15:29:55] <servant74> that is one I did some time ago, so it may be buried
[15:47:01] <BigJohnT> anyone have a link to a good picture that shows how the cartesian coordinates for the X and Z axis of a lathe are? bbl
[15:53:14] <cradek> sorry, no picture, but it's easy to explain in words
[16:11:18] <servant74> cradek: Ok, I was WORNG again! it does do the same thing under the 8.04 EMC live CD, but not under the 6.06 (all on the same hardware)
[16:14:46] <cradek> ok, then at least we have a pattern that makes sense
[16:15:30] <cradek> this is an interesting comment from the bug link I pasted earlier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/110299/comments/30
[16:15:33] <cradek> that might be something to try.
[16:15:48] <cradek> or, try the vesa driver which will almost certainly work
[16:16:56] <servant74> will do.
[19:14:57] <anonimasu> hmm
[19:15:50] <archivist> a chorus of hummmmmmmms breaks out in sympathy
[19:16:17] <anonimasu> it seems like I'll have to buy a seco toolholder to get a good one -_-
[19:16:38] <anonimasu> standard for tooling is 0.015 runout
[19:17:23] <anonimasu> I'm going to broach some stuff
[19:17:37] <anonimasu> and with a 50mm broach and 200mm overhang
[19:17:46] <anonimasu> and china toolholders..
[19:17:51] <anonimasu> ~
[19:19:29] <anonimasu> if my broach is 50mm with tolerance the tolerance H7
[19:20:36] <anonimasu> and my toolholder throws 0.015 that's twice the tolerance specified..
[19:21:45] <anonimasu> -_-
[19:22:32] <OoBIGeye> anonimasu: i'm sure it will align itself :o)
[19:22:40] <archivist> when you say broach I assume "tool" is a polished pin being forced through, spinning or not
[19:23:06] <archivist> then machine sping comes into action
[19:23:12] <archivist> spring
[19:23:24] <piasdom> why don't you try it out on scrape material ?
[19:24:48] <OoBIGeye> anonimasu: are u swedish?
[19:26:14] <OoBIGeye> did you8 mean a reaming tool?
[19:42:33] <anonimasu> broach/reamer
[19:42:35] <anonimasu> yeah..
[19:43:17] <anonimasu> OoBIGeye: align itself -_- and mess up the tolerance
[19:43:21] <anonimasu> OoBIGeye: yes I'm swedish
[19:43:37] <anonimasu> :)
[19:43:54] <archivist> clockmakers call reamers broaches I dont , as its a different cut
[19:44:09] <anonimasu> hehe, spinning stuff that makes holes ;)
[19:44:25] <anonimasu> tomorrows project is to get the toolpost grinder operational.
[19:44:34] <archivist> I use a press with a broach
[19:44:43] <anonimasu> press?
[19:44:50] <anonimasu> oh, yeah that's also broaching :)
[19:45:38] <cradek> has anyone used a drill doctor DD750X?
[19:45:46] <archivist> and there is a cutting broach and a non cutting polish
[19:45:52] <anonimasu> :)
[19:45:57] <anonimasu> I need to leave for a bit
[19:46:12] <cradek> there are lots of reviews on the web, but they vary, and I don't trust them
[19:46:20] <anonimasu> OoBIGeye: sorry, I'd love to chat a bit I'll drop you a msg if you are here when I get back :)
[19:46:25] <anonimasu> laters!
[19:46:49] <OoBIGeye> anonimasu: hejs
[19:47:02] <archivist> cradek, look cheap and nasty, not tried
[19:47:36] <OoBIGeye> those home grinding stuff are no good as far as i know...
[19:48:35] <OoBIGeye> it's really cheap to get some one with real equipment to fix tools
[19:48:36] <skunkworks_> cradek: dad has a drill dr. I don't know which model though. I could ask him.
[19:49:35] <cradek> skunkworks_: this one says it can make split points. I'm wary.
[19:49:39] <alex_joni> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000BKTA00/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?_encoding=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
[19:50:21] <archivist> lovely "Wrecked a considerable pile of drill bits with this one"
[19:50:48] <alex_joni> average seems good :)
[19:51:12] <archivist> from the average joe, or proper machinists
[19:51:25] <alex_joni> sounds like jow
[19:51:27] <alex_joni> joe
[19:51:29] <cradek> archivist: that's the problem with these reviews
[19:51:43] <cradek> if you're drilling plywood, it might be fine, even if it's total crap
[19:51:59] <archivist> I would prefer a real cutter grinder
[19:52:40] <cradek> I would prefer a high-altitude flying pie
[19:52:59] <archivist> put the money towards parts for a home made cnc cutter grinder
[19:54:13] <alex_joni> well, I'm off to bed.. good night all
[19:54:25] <OoBIGeye> godd night joni
[19:54:35] <archivist> then you can deal with all your old milling cutters too
[19:55:29] <archivist> methinks gear forms become easy then
[21:12:45] <anonimasu> iab
[21:23:01] <anonimasu> cradek: I hear they work very well
[22:41:01] <dmess> hi all