#emc | Logs for 2008-11-05

[01:04:24] <JymmmEMC> What ya think? Dot Pitch a lil big... http://www.emprex.com/02_products_02.php?id=279
[01:11:34] <SWPadnos> 25.5@1920x1200 is fine
[01:12:15] <SWPadnos> my Dells are 24" and the same res, the extra 1.5" isn't that much
[07:42:45] <micges> good morning
[10:03:56] <anonimasu> hm
[10:04:00] <anonimasu> turning ss2140 today
[10:04:26] <anonimasu> though it seems like hard to find cutting data :)
[10:04:56] <archivist> sandvik book
[10:05:14] <anonimasu> the insert one?
[10:05:28] <anonimasu> err ss2142 that is sorry
[10:05:34] <archivist> there is a general machining book
[10:05:46] <archivist> forgot the title
[10:06:12] <archivist> its about choosing inserts speeds machines allsorts
[10:06:46] <anonimasu> if you can remember it drop me a msg
[10:06:52] <anonimasu> * anonimasu will check if he has it
[10:07:31] <izua> * izua found a blank CD
[10:07:42] <archivist> grey colour book
[10:07:47] <izua> in your face, fate! (this thing can be burnt at 16x max)
[10:15:31] <archivist> anonimasu, on the site I can find the application guides which includes materials but no deep linking :(
[11:02:42] <anonimasu> archivist: I have the books but I have no idea what they call it
[11:08:22] <archivist> what the steel?
[11:12:46] <alex_joni> anonimasu: did you check with machinist toolbox?
[11:15:31] <archivist> I find it as a structural steel, and with suffixes a stainless
[11:15:50] <alex_joni> "high strength low alloy (HSLA) structural steels that are covered by ASTM A 572 or ASTM A 1011,"
[11:16:39] <alex_joni> from http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=98983&page=42
[11:17:30] <archivist> http://www.abc.se/~m8010/nya-stalb.htm
[11:18:12] <alex_joni> I found a ref. to S420M
[11:23:20] <alex_joni> so 420 is the flow limit in N/mm^2
[11:23:44] <alex_joni> and N means normalized, M is thermomechanically treated
[11:43:59] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[11:44:58] <piasdom> (if you're there)jepler:i noticed that wine does the same as emc...
[11:45:40] <piasdom> jepler:and that i don't have helvetica font loaded...which emc uses
[12:40:34] <jepler> piasdom: wait, your problem has returned? last I knew, you had determined that everything was OK when you booted the live CD
[12:42:42] <piasdom> everything worked in the live cd...but not from the harddrive
[12:42:59] <archivist> did you reinstall
[12:43:14] <piasdom> not yet...guess i will
[12:43:42] <piasdom> but does emc use helvetica fonts ?
[12:45:54] <jepler> yesterday I showed you specifically what fonts it was using. but it uses only fonts that are installed on the live cd, and all fonts installed on the live cd should be copied during the install.
[12:46:17] <jepler> also, your screenshot shows the word "File" appearing on the menu, but no items appearing inside the menu -- but both the menubar and the dropdown menu use the same font
[12:46:31] <jepler> so I don't see it being a font installation menu
[12:46:43] <piasdom> jepler:so i need to reinstall
[12:47:01] <jepler> er, font installation problem
[12:47:24] <jepler> but I don't have a real theory about what it could be -- your video driver was affected by an update? a configuration item you changed after installation? beats me.
[12:47:44] <piasdom> jepler:thanks...bbl....off to reinstall
[12:47:48] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[12:48:09] <piasdom> hopefully this works...if not...i'll just keep it :)
[12:48:27] <piasdom> jepler:thanks for all the help
[12:48:39] <cradek> you might want to verify the CD before you install from it
[12:49:06] <piasdom> cradek:i ran from the cd already...all looks ok
[12:49:12] <fragalot> still
[12:49:14] <fragalot> run != install
[12:49:39] <piasdom> fragalot:from a terminal ?
[12:49:54] <fragalot> piasdom: that was not a command :p
[12:49:54] <piasdom> what will that do ?
[12:50:00] <piasdom> hahahhahahah
[12:50:07] <piasdom> ok BBL
[13:00:08] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: http://www.sics.se/~adam/miniweb/ :)
[13:01:01] <izua> that's insane. 30 bytes?
[13:01:26] <izua> How do you deal with incoming packets? the MTU is ~1500 bytes
[13:21:00] <SWPadnos> that's 30 bytes of internal storage
[13:21:05] <SWPadnos> ie, other than the packets
[14:03:44] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yes, it lacks it
[14:15:57] <anonimasu> alex_joni: hm, still cant find it in machinist's toolbox
[14:18:29] <skunkworks> a literal toolbox? or some sort of software?
[14:18:58] <anonimasu> a software
[14:19:05] <skunkworks> http://www.machinist-toolbox.com/
[14:19:08] <anonimasu> http://www.machinist-toolbox.com/
[14:19:13] <skunkworks> heh
[14:20:06] <skunkworks> oh - 'in machinist's toolbox' Sorry - late night election camp fire.
[14:21:35] <anonimasu> http://www.coromant.sandvik.com/sandvik/0110/Internet/I-Kit1/se02673.nsf/Alldocs/Information*Material*2ADownload*catalogues
[14:23:31] <anonimasu> * anonimasu likes the idea of wiper inserts
[14:24:42] <archivist> ah technical reference :) /me wonders how many of us are downloading at the same time
[14:24:54] <anonimasu> :D
[14:25:02] <anonimasu> it's lots about turning and surface finishes and stuff
[14:25:47] <archivist> I think thats what I have at home, but an older version
[14:26:37] <anonimasu> :)
[14:27:11] <archivist> * archivist updates :)
[14:29:12] <archivist> with docs like that one likes to use the inserts
[14:29:23] <anonimasu> agreed
[14:29:40] <anonimasu> hmm..
[14:29:47] <anonimasu> I wonder if I should do some 3d contouring someday soon
[14:29:53] <anonimasu> I have this press form I need to make
[15:50:49] <jymm> What's an semi-common material that can take direct heat, doens't outgas, and can be machined fairly well?
[15:51:21] <jymm> direct heat being somewhat fire proof (if possible) or around 400F
[15:51:36] <jymm> maybe even 300F
[15:51:40] <fenn> graphite
[15:51:42] <anonimasu> :)
[15:51:52] <fenn> cast iron
[15:51:56] <jymm> fenn: does it come in sheet form?
[15:52:03] <jymm> graphite
[15:52:08] <fenn> yes
[15:52:15] <jymm> $ or $$$$$$$$$
[15:52:19] <fenn> dunno
[15:52:30] <fenn> how about mild steel?
[15:52:30] <BigJohnT> what are you trying to make?
[15:52:52] <jymm> BigJohnT: A heater for cockatiels
[15:53:06] <jymm> I have NiChrome wire already
[15:53:06] <fenn> so, add chemical corrosive to that list
[15:53:07] <archivist> cooker at that temp
[15:53:29] <jymm> archivist: the temp is a fire-prevention thing
[15:53:44] <fenn> jymmm why not just get an aquarium heater?
[15:53:59] <jymm> fenn: they are plastic, and Tiels LOVE to chew plastic
[15:54:03] <BigJohnT> do they like to tear stuff up
[15:54:05] <fenn> get a glass one
[15:54:17] <jymm> BigJohnT: Oh yeah
[15:54:28] <archivist> done correctly the wire will heat sink to plate temp and never get above warm
[15:54:38] <jymm> fenn: No, this ifor the floor under their big cage
[15:55:14] <fenn> jymm: embed it in concrete
[15:56:04] <jymm> fenn: I considered that, but rather use a bit lighter material, maybe terracota, plaster, etc
[15:56:16] <jymm> something that radiates better
[15:56:27] <fenn> add black concrete dye :)
[15:56:55] <anonimasu> graphite is pretty hheap
[15:56:59] <anonimasu> cheap..
[15:57:03] <anonimasu> but I guess that depends on grade.
[15:57:09] <SWPadnos> graphite is very conductive
[15:57:09] <jymm> I have nfc what concrete is going to hold up in a thn <1" thinkness
[15:57:21] <jymm> SWPadnos: I forgot about that part =)
[15:57:25] <SWPadnos> heh
[15:57:36] <SWPadnos> me too, when I was making the balloon poppers :)
[15:57:42] <tomp> i lo0oed for low temp devicesto heat seed sprouting, best i found was just lo watt light bulbs under a box
[15:57:43] <jymm> SWPadnos: Ah, =)
[15:58:09] <jymm> tomp: Problem is no place to put it safely
[15:58:26] <tomp> graphite 25c/lb for 'house' grade
[15:58:26] <anonimasu> latres
[15:58:39] <jymm> tomp: conductive =)
[15:58:43] <jymm> anonimasu: ?
[15:58:48] <jymm> hasta
[15:59:02] <jymm> Oh!!!!
[15:59:27] <jymm> 12" or 16" Ceramic Floor tile sandwiched together
[15:59:45] <SWPadnos> yes, with the wire looped around in between
[15:59:52] <archivist> low volt transformer and lots amps and run current through cage wires
[16:00:04] <fenn> electric stove element between two tiles
[16:00:07] <jymm> archivist: SMACK!
[16:00:10] <SWPadnos> even if the wire melts, the heat transfer rate of the tiles would prevent it from getting too hot
[16:00:17] <SWPadnos> (unless it's red hot for a long time first)
[16:00:24] <tomp> floor radiators? copper tubes in concrete? the technology is off the shelf with closed loop temp control
[16:00:28] <jymm> fenn: I have aorund 400K feet of NiChrome
[16:00:38] <BigJohnT> Jymm would it be easier to just freeze dry it?
[16:00:54] <fenn> oh. send me some
[16:00:55] <jymm> BigJohnT: freeze dry what exactly?
[16:01:20] <BigJohnT> the cockatiels
[16:01:22] <archivist> the birds
[16:01:35] <jymm> *sigh - rolls eyes*
[16:01:38] <tomp> i like stove elements, mega watt , lo inductance, lo ohm & cheap
[16:01:38] <fenn> the bird?
[16:02:02] <jymm> fenn: I have from 18Ga to 40Ga NiChr =)
[16:02:03] <BigJohnT> ok maybe a bit ahead of the schedule
[16:02:33] <fenn> jymmm perhaps you should look into microkeratomy/brain digitizing, you know, so you can upload your birds into cyberspace and just run them on an embedded processor
[16:03:18] <tomp> how do zoos ( avi-whatevers) do it?
[16:03:31] <jymm> fenn: What are you talking about?! They EACH have their own website and blog
[16:03:49] <jymm> Hang on...
[16:04:15] <archivist> get a cat, they have something to catch and eat , saves cage building
[16:05:17] <fenn> then get a dog, to eat the cat
[16:05:52] <tomp> ot: haha, freshmeat lists a chinese version of scrabble. chinese is not alphabetic or phonetic, it cant work. chinese is pictographic. one character = one word.
[16:06:04] <jymm> fenn: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1105/980074887_01d726bfb6_m.jpg
[16:06:10] <SWPadnos> maybe you have to make sentences ;)
[16:06:22] <SWPadnos> that little pecker
[16:06:42] <SWPadnos> no wonder why you can't type
[16:06:54] <fenn> "The building of words is not based on letters, but radicals instead."
[16:06:58] <jymm> fenn: They have their own computer and everything
[16:07:06] <BigJohnT> jymm are you really a bird?
[16:07:29] <jymm> SWPadnos: Nah, I couldn't type for crap way before them
[16:07:37] <SWPadnos> oh. like me then
[16:07:41] <tomp> ah radicals makes sense, even chinese wont know how to play it tho, only westerners know the chars are made of 'parts'
[16:07:54] <jymm> BigJohnT: SQUAWK what SQUAWK
[16:07:57] <tomp> nice bird
[16:08:11] <jymm> tomp: ty
[16:08:26] <BigJohnT> I can type 80 words a min if I can remember to hit the space bar but it doesn't make any sense
[16:08:43] <tomp> does it roam your place? i always wanted a greenhouse house with plants and animals.
[16:09:13] <tomp> BigJohnT: learn thai, phonetic but no spacesinbetweenwrods
[16:09:59] <BigJohnT> tompthatsoundslikeagoodideabutitdoesnothingformywordcount
[16:10:22] <BigJohnT> that took 6 tries to quit hitting the spacebar
[16:10:57] <archivist> thatlookedgermantomethyeusebuiltupwords
[16:11:16] <SWPadnos> I can type 80 WPM also
[16:11:21] <archivist> * archivist spots atyop in the middle
[16:11:25] <SWPadnos> at least, I think most of the letter combinations are words
[16:11:27] <SWPadnos> in some language
[16:11:41] <BigJohnT> yea like farfrompooping
[16:11:51] <BigJohnT> that is some german word i think
[16:11:54] <SWPadnos> farfrommoving ;)
[16:12:04] <BigJohnT> Alex your missing all the fun
[16:12:21] <archivist> our perl factoid from #mysql
[16:12:22] <archivist> the nice thing about perl is you can just slam your fists at the keyboard at couple of times, and you have something that runs and does something, you just wont know what and the maintenance of it will be impossible
[16:13:44] <tomp> the german word farfellnoogie is rubbing the head of the nestle's quick dog
[16:15:54] <SWPadnos> VW used "farfegnugen" or something that sounds like it
[16:15:55] <jymm> Oh, any thought on "chew-proof" sleeving for the power cord (18ga lamp zip cord)? REAL armor cable, like on pay phones, is too expensive, and 1/2" flexable conduit is just too bulky/ugly
[16:16:17] <SWPadnos> how long do you want the cord to be?
[16:16:29] <fenn> does it have to be flexible?
[16:16:30] <jymm> Can NOT be zinc plated, roughly 6ft or less
[16:16:36] <archivist> nail it to the perch so it cant reac the power cord
[16:16:53] <SWPadnos> I'd just get the right length of armor cable from Home Depot/Lowe's
[16:16:56] <BigJohnT> come from under the cage with your power cord
[16:17:02] <SWPadnos> they don't stay in the cage
[16:17:03] <jymm> fenn: would prefer it to be so it can be moved, cleaned, etc
[16:17:03] <tomp> yah i make farfenugen joke, too obscure
[16:17:12] <BigJohnT> 3/8 flex is not too ugly
[16:17:25] <jymm> BigJohnT: Isn't it zinc coated?
[16:17:35] <BigJohnT> you can get it in aluminum
[16:17:51] <BigJohnT> has the wires all ready in it
[16:17:58] <jymm> BigJohnT: Never seen it in al, can it be terminated easily?
[16:18:09] <jymm> BigJohnT: Really? got pic?
[16:18:30] <SWPadnos> it's a PITA, but you can run the armor diredtly into an industrial NEMA-style round plug I think
[16:18:32] <BigJohnT> yes, we used to use it to wire up light fixtures in suspended ceilings
[16:18:45] <SWPadnos> that's the stuff they have at HD/Lowes
[16:18:46] <BigJohnT> they make connectors for the flex
[16:18:53] <jymm> SWPadnos: I never seen the stuff like on pay phones in HD/Lowes
[16:19:03] <SWPadnos> it's not quite that flexible
[16:19:18] <fenn> something like this but without the plastic coating http://www.networkcablingmag.ca/images/stories/2008/NCMayJune2008/hcm24strandarmouredfiber.jpg
[16:20:00] <jymm> fenn: Heh, I JSUT saw this... http://www.offshore-technology.com/contractor_images/rock/rock3.jpg but still no clue where to get it locally
[16:20:27] <BigJohnT> 73145K1 at mcmaster carr .50 a foot
[16:20:34] <BigJohnT> 5/16
[16:20:39] <jymm> fenn: The plastic coating is fine, easier to clean, just need to terminated between sandwiches floor tiles is all
[16:20:49] <fenn> i thought plastic was chewable
[16:21:06] <tomp> look at medical and at food supply electrics ( hose down water tight, food safe )
[16:21:10] <jymm> fenn: Sure, but the main idea is not to electrocute themselves
[16:21:19] <tomp> oh, expect expensive for that stuff
[16:22:14] <fenn> i wonder what this is for http://www.coloradowireandcable.com/images/coreshot.jpg
[16:22:46] <SWPadnos> liquid-cooled high power stuff maybe?
[16:23:02] <tomp> why do the birds get near the electrical fittings? design that out, transmit warm air.
[16:23:21] <SWPadnos> they don't stay in the cage, so any wire anywhere is a target
[16:23:57] <jymm> Ironically, I found an electric dog water bowl at walmart years ago.... It was for outdoor use to prevent the water from freezing. They put a 6ft long coiled spring around the electrical cable
[16:24:13] <jymm> tomp: This are free range Tiels =)
[16:24:23] <jymm> tomp: These are free range Tiels =)
[16:24:38] <tomp> ok, so i'm in an airport, most recepticles are 1) few 2) no cords at all, cords are temporary and watched
[16:25:22] <jymm> tomp: this is primarily for night time use
[16:25:27] <fenn> simple, just move into an airport
[16:25:45] <tomp> like dog water bowl is a oil pan heater available at farm supplies.
[16:25:47] <BigJohnT> I hear free range tastes better
[16:26:08] <jymm> That would be expensive.... $100 each for the HLS express pass
[16:26:15] <tomp> i'd like free roamin birds at airport :)
[16:26:21] <tomp> bye
[16:26:50] <jymm> Hmmm, maybe I'll hit the local electrical supply after work and see what they have in stock.
[16:27:54] <archivist> we get short lenghts of flex amoured cable at the local scrap yord
[16:32:06] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT off to deliver a machine to the customer bbl
[18:19:59] <jymm> archivist: we dont have many industrial scrap yards around here, just metal recycling, and not that much of a selection.
[18:20:48] <archivist> I wont move over there then
[18:21:10] <jymm> archivist: Though, we have crap loads of electronic/computer surplus
[18:21:44] <archivist> I would be in those every week
[18:22:57] <archivist> * archivist checks logic analyser on fleabay
[18:23:10] <archivist> that reminded me
[18:28:09] <SWPadnos> all right. I gave away my minivan today. woohoo!
[18:28:44] <archivist> I have 2 vans available both without MOT
[18:28:58] <SWPadnos> the guy drove this one away ;)
[18:29:02] <archivist> and scrap price has dropped :(
[18:29:18] <SWPadnos> yeah, I think I would have gotten $100 for it from the scrapyard
[18:29:32] <SWPadnos> better to give it to someone who can put it to good use, and who needs it
[18:30:32] <archivist> I would like a few pennies to put towards toys like a logic analyser
[18:30:53] <archivist> I need a faster one
[18:31:34] <archivist> looking at a 1670G
[18:31:40] <SWPadnos> technically I sold the van, so I should go spend the dollar on (most of) a cup of coffee :)
[18:31:55] <archivist> hehe
[18:32:41] <SWPadnos> nice analyzer, but could be a little slow if you want to do ARM stuff any time soon (ie, before replacing it)
[18:33:12] <archivist> but sitting at £102 at the moment
[18:33:27] <SWPadnos> oh, then an excellent deal
[18:33:47] <archivist> I doubt it will stay that cheap
[18:43:47] <SWPadnos> Hmmm: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290272892167
[18:45:05] <archivist> toy!
[18:45:29] <SWPadnos> well I don't have a tractor trailer to move a bigger one
[18:45:32] <SWPadnos> or a place to put it ;)
[18:46:23] <archivist> been watching this for a month or two slowly dropping in price http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=270297990381
[18:47:08] <SWPadnos> hmmm. yeah, 8.2kW. I think that's about the total service to my house
[18:48:29] <SWPadnos> (actually, it's the total for the sub-panel I put in the garage, but who's counting)
[18:48:36] <archivist> dont have to run full power cuts :)
[18:49:27] <SWPadnos> oh come on, what's the point then? :)
[18:50:12] <archivist> neighbours may complain of lights dimming
[18:50:15] <anonimasu> lol
[18:50:23] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:50:27] <anonimasu> 8kw cuts are heavy cuts.
[18:50:40] <anonimasu> :p
[18:50:44] <anonimasu> production cuts ;)
[18:50:47] <cradek> "I think there is a board in the back that is problematic."
[18:51:00] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:51:18] <archivist> spindle on that was 5.2KW
[18:51:34] <SWPadnos> I wonder where the other 3kW goes
[18:51:35] <anonimasu> hehe :)
[18:51:38] <anonimasu> tape reader.
[18:51:43] <SWPadnos> big servos I guess
[18:51:44] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:51:46] <anonimasu> servo axes
[18:51:50] <roberth> we have one of them but HNC version did have fanuc control, waiting to be upgraded to EMC
[18:52:08] <anonimasu> 1kw each for the servos then 1kw for the control -_-
[18:52:10] <anonimasu> *grins*
[18:52:33] <archivist> hmm metal removal.....
[18:52:55] <SWPadnos> how about this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360095752564
[18:53:57] <archivist> thats upsetting... cant have
[18:54:01] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:54:08] <SWPadnos> it only costs twice as much as my house
[18:54:12] <roberth> aah only pocket money :)
[18:54:13] <SWPadnos> (assuming a little bit for shipping)
[18:55:34] <SWPadnos> http://cgi.ebay.com/Denford-NovaTurn-CNC-lathe-Great-condition-many-extras_W0QQitemZ110306094238QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Lathes?hash=item110306094238&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1208%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
[18:55:47] <SWPadnos> of course the reality is that this little Denford would do 99% of what I'd want to do also
[18:57:17] <SWPadnos> ok, food time, bbl
[20:51:49] <piasdom> hello all
[20:53:16] <piasdom> jepler:i reinstallled ubuntu and couldn't get internet and my mouse took about 2 or 3 seconds to go across screen...
[20:53:31] <piasdom> back in debian sarge
[20:53:37] <fenn> piasdom: you fail linux 101
[20:54:55] <fragalot> lol
[20:56:23] <piasdom> 101...101...103...111
[20:56:25] <piasdom> :)
[20:56:27] <jepler> piasdom: taking what you say at face value, it's clear that there's something wrong. but I remain at a loss to help troubleshoot it.
[20:56:46] <piasdom> thanks anyway
[20:56:48] <toastatwork> how do i shot web
[20:57:03] <toastatwork> also ubuntu was way slow for me, as well, but not that slow
[20:58:20] <SWPadnos> piasdom, two questions: 1; did you use the same CD as before (1a; did you run the media check first?) and 2) how did you reinstall - specifically did you install over a previous installation or did you use the whole hard disk?
[20:59:07] <SWPadnos> (and yes, people are allowed one reference to the Monty Python "Spanish Inquisition" sketch)
[21:01:59] <piasdom> jepler:used the cd i downloaded just before install
[21:02:11] <piasdom> jepler:formated the whole disk
[21:02:49] <piasdom> jepler:didn't run media check
[21:03:05] <SWPadnos> what are the specs of the PC you're using (CPU, memory ...)
[21:03:45] <piasdom> jepler:sherline comp....added 2gig(had 256)
[21:04:14] <piasdom> jepler:not sure of processor
[21:04:37] <SWPadnos> that says nothing, Sherline has been selling computers for about 10 years, and I'm willing to bet they're not all the same
[21:04:59] <piasdom> jepler:anyway to check ?
[21:05:15] <SWPadnos> are you talking to me?
[21:05:17] <SWPadnos> :)
[21:05:35] <piasdom> and they're not much help
[21:08:47] <piasdom> the motherboard is k8m800 micro am2
[21:09:38] <archivist> I have had mouse slowness as well, I reboot buntu to fix (make sure mouse is connected during boot)
[21:11:21] <archivist> Im connected via kvm switch hence mouse/driver gets confused
[21:12:45] <piasdom> archivist:my mouse is wireless and din't have trouble before
[21:13:04] <piasdom> works great now
[21:13:12] <archivist> mine is wireless
[21:15:14] <piasdom> archivist:i rebooted a number of time and reinstalled three time hoping it was something i did wrong
[21:15:27] <piasdom> been fighting this all day
[21:16:32] <roberth> have u checked to see if the CPU is being used by anything to make the system slow? run top from command or something, or is it just the mouse sorry to join half way in
[21:16:47] <archivist> "works great now"!="been fighting this all day" you give us mixed messages, its hard for us to understand your problems
[21:17:14] <piasdom> roberth:np...just me use this comp
[21:17:41] <piasdom> archivist:i'm in debian now,not ubuntu
[21:19:23] <SWPadnos> piasdom, please run the media check on the Ubuntu CD. You do that by selecting "media check" from the boot menu when you boot from the liveCD
[21:20:21] <piasdom> SWPadnos:ok.....i WILL get back to ubuntu...jst can't have the machine down so long
[21:20:34] <SWPadnos> you can test the CD on any PC
[21:20:42] <piasdom> SWPadnos:but i will run the check
[21:21:03] <archivist> piasdom, where are you from/ what is your spoken language
[21:21:06] <SWPadnos> though doing it on the one that you're having problems with will also check the drive somewhat, so it's good to use that machine
[21:21:15] <piasdom> SWPadnos:didn't hink of that...only have this one..
[21:21:41] <piasdom> i'll do that now....brb
[21:22:15] <jepler> archivist: looks like his IP address is allocated to Louisiana, USA
[21:22:29] <archivist> is it a language problem or !
[21:22:35] <archivist> or!
[21:22:36] <SWPadnos> "computer language"
[21:23:11] <jepler> clearly there's something weird going on
[21:23:42] <jepler> but if what I'm hearing is accurate (live cd works fine, installed version does some different freaky thing each installation) I just can't make any sense out of it
[21:23:47] <archivist> * archivist not sure which side of the chair though
[21:24:38] <archivist> slow mouse is just a probe/boot and confusion in the driver
[21:24:57] <jepler> hnmmmm he mentioned having 2GB RAM, but I think at least one release of the 8.04 live cd had a problem on some >1GB memory systems. but that should be the same on CD or installed...
[21:25:25] <jepler> suggest booting with mem=800M on grub kernel commandline..
[21:26:07] <archivist> I had a partition size problem with mine on install due to old hardware
[21:26:45] <fragalot> archivist: http://omploader.org/vd2Fq :p
[21:26:55] <jepler> http://www.myspace.com/piasdom
[21:27:08] <jepler> yep must be the guy
[21:27:14] <fragalot> (been busy reworking the rest of the circuit on paper a bit first, just not too sure about those 2 resistor values)
[21:27:29] <jepler> ooh a change of subject!
[21:27:52] <archivist> something from next door a while ago
[21:29:32] <fragalot> jepler: yes plz ;)
[21:30:08] <fragalot> archivist: i'm having something worse than a slow mouse here in windows, lol. tablet, with the tip responding about a second too late. >.> stupid cheap wacom
[21:31:01] <jepler> fragalot: it seems you could buffer the voltage from the "dc offset" pot to avoid worrying about the effect of the resistive divider on the output voltage
[21:31:08] <jepler> fragalot: but I'm not sure if that's your question or not
[21:32:24] <archivist> fragalot, I might change to inverting if it was mine
[21:32:47] <SWPadnos> I don't think that will give you a DC offset, it shuold change the scaling away from 1:1
[21:32:54] <fragalot> jepler:
[21:33:06] <fragalot> SWPadnos: Yeah, thats what i was thinking, hence asking about on IRC :/
[21:33:13] <fragalot> archivist: why?
[21:33:19] <SWPadnos> asking in #electronics might be better :)
[21:33:31] <SWPadnos> or maybe it's ##electronics
[21:33:51] <fragalot> I dislike that channel for some reason.
[21:33:52] <fragalot> :p
[21:33:54] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:33:59] <SWPadnos> never go there myself
[21:34:14] <archivist> it has a few odd ones in there!
[21:34:28] <izua> right..
[21:40:08] <piasdom> SWPadnos:no errors found
[21:40:16] <SWPadnos> ok. that's good
[21:40:32] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, I don't understand how you can have so many problems installing :)
[21:40:32] <piasdom> i'm going to try again in the mornin
[21:40:58] <SWPadnos> just so wer
[21:41:00] <SWPadnos> gah
[21:41:17] <piasdom> SWPadnos:in the setup there's an option to transfer setting from windows...is that good to do ?
[21:41:28] <SWPadnos> huh?
[21:41:42] <SWPadnos> I'd say no, but I've never seen the option so I don't know what it does
[21:42:34] <piasdom> SWPadnos:it give me the option to transfer my doc...wallpaper and internet explorer setting
[21:42:42] <SWPadnos> weird
[21:42:46] <skunkworks> If you install ubuntu as a dual boot on a windows machine - it senses that and askes if you want to transfer users over. I have never done that.
[21:42:52] <piasdom> SWPadnos:i did sp this time i won't
[21:43:25] <piasdom> SWPadnos:i did this time but i won't next
[21:43:31] <SWPadnos> so you didn't reformat the disk, you installed to the existing partition
[21:44:04] <piasdom> SWPadnos:have two disk...completely formated the disk with linux
[21:44:49] <piasdom> SWPadnos:even erased the two partitions,then created two more
[21:44:50] <SWPadnos> hmmm. try installing with only one hard disk connected (the one you want to install to)
[21:45:08] <SWPadnos> don't create partitions yourself, select "use entire disk" or however they worded the option
[21:45:13] <piasdom> SWPadnos:ok...i'll disconnect the other
[21:45:58] <piasdom> SWPadnos:i did that first("use entire disk" but thought it may not have erased all of them
[21:46:05] <SWPadnos> it should have
[21:46:28] <fragalot> hmm
[21:46:33] <piasdom> SWPadnos:i was just trying everyhing could think of
[21:46:49] <fragalot> sampling rate of my sound card is 192kHz... Reckon that means it could be used as a scope up to 150kHz without too much issues? :p
[21:46:58] <SWPadnos> well, you definitely should remove the Windows disk if you want to try *everything* :)
[21:47:05] <SWPadnos> no
[21:47:12] <fragalot> figures
[21:47:15] <piasdom> SWPadnos:will do
[21:47:17] <SWPadnos> fragalot, no triggering options, and AC-coupled only
[21:47:47] <archivist> fragalot, nyquist sample /2 so about 80k
[21:47:53] <fragalot> SWPadnos: not even for for general hobby stuff?
[21:48:02] <fragalot> archivist: still more than I expected :p kewl
[21:48:02] <SWPadnos> you can't trigger
[21:48:28] <archivist> single shot
[21:48:31] <SWPadnos> you probably can capture a lot of information then analyze and display it though
[21:48:47] <jepler> well -- you should be able to continuously sample and then "trigger" in software
[21:48:49] <archivist> then FFT
[21:48:57] <SWPadnos> check the expected signal levels also, it's probably meant to take 700mV or 1V peak-peak
[21:49:29] <fragalot> SWPadnos: well, i've seen the output of my computer at 5Vpp before, lol
[21:51:30] <fragalot> y'know, if this turns out to be better than my 10MS digital scope, i'll cry
[21:51:46] <archivist> it wont
[21:52:03] <fragalot> archivist: let me rephrase that
[21:52:44] <fragalot> the digital scope has a crummy low resolution LCD display, can't do analog signals AT ALL, and it's even worse for digital signals
[21:53:06] <fragalot> if it's a slow repetitive signal, it might be able to make something from it..
[21:53:35] <archivist> better off with an a/d on the parport
[21:53:45] <fragalot> see.. I don't /HAVE A PARALLEL PORT/
[21:53:52] <fragalot> * fragalot hates repeating that line :(
[21:54:11] <SWPadnos> if you do a google search for "sound card scope", you'll get a lot of hits
[21:54:21] <SWPadnos> (no quotes, you want the words, not the phrase)
[21:54:57] <fragalot> SWPadnos: loads of hits, did a quick search arround, but only looked for apps, not technicalities
[21:54:58] <fragalot> :p
[21:55:43] <SWPadnos> http://linux-sound.org/scopes.html
[21:55:56] <piasdom> well, i'm off...see ya'll in mornin.....take care and thanks for the help
[21:55:59] <SWPadnos> dunno how many of those are not audio-related though :)
[21:56:02] <SWPadnos> see you
[21:56:40] <fragalot> :)
[21:56:49] <fragalot> I planned on using "Oscilloscope"
[22:01:22] <archivist> I should fix my digital storage scope
[22:02:14] <archivist> but its antique, with a 68000 micro and 5v peak input
[22:03:23] <fragalot> lol
[22:04:21] <raul> hey
[22:06:06] <raul> so, its my first time using emc and I'm trying to use the stepconf wizard but I'm getting an error
[22:06:35] <SWPadnos> what is the error?
[22:06:39] <raul> File "/usr/bin/stepconf", line 1372, in update_axis_params
[22:06:39] <raul> halrun.flush()
[22:06:39] <raul> IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
[22:08:08] <jepler> does the latency test run? does emc run if you choose the sample configuration sim/axis?
[22:09:08] <raul> let me check
[22:09:46] <fragalot> rofl
[22:09:59] <fragalot> SWPadnos: I just played about with a soundcard func gen with my headset, and woke my parents
[22:09:59] <fragalot> >.<
[22:10:08] <fragalot> gnite :p
[22:10:08] <SWPadnos> oops ;)
[22:10:12] <SWPadnos> night
[22:14:26] <raul> hold on brb
[22:46:53] <raul> ok, I solved the first problem and I'm able to make it through the stepconf wizard but I cant load emc with my configuration
[22:47:04] <raul> also the /sim/axis config wont load
[22:47:15] <SWPadnos> what system are you running on?
[22:47:33] <raul> ubuntu 8.10
[22:47:48] <SWPadnos> then you're on your own at the moment ;)
[22:47:57] <jepler> the precompiled emc2 packages are not for 8.10. they are for 6.06 and 8.04.
[22:48:01] <SWPadnos> see the top of htp://wiki.linuxcnc.org/
[22:48:09] <SWPadnos> err, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/
[22:57:35] <raul> ok then, off to install 8.04