#emc | Logs for 2008-11-01

[00:01:07] <simsim> ... i don't know... what can i test...:'(
[00:01:59] <SWPadnos> tell me again which kernel will boot
[00:02:58] <robh_> 9 out of 10 i find blank screen after grub/lilo is a resolution problem with splash screen, force it use a realy low res setting and take it from there see what happens, even if sticking it into low VGA mode
[00:04:07] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, Hardy is a little different - there's almost nothing in the xorg.conf file by default, so it's harder to tell someone what to change (ie, you have to describe what to add and where to add it, rather than "look for 1600x1200 and change it to 640x480")
[00:05:57] <robh_> cant u tell grub to load with a lower res setting, or disable the slash screen
[00:06:21] <SWPadnos> you can turn off the splash screen, but that's not necesarily the problem
[00:06:33] <SWPadnos> you change "splash" to "nosplash" on the boot line
[00:06:50] <simsim> i don't rember the kernel version number, it's the last provided by emc2 installation, yes, robh, you right but how can i do that...
[00:07:35] <SWPadnos> load synaptic, search for "rtai", and install the restricted modules for the RTAI kernel (if you can boot anything into a GUI)
[00:08:04] <SWPadnos> otherwise, the command line I gave you will install it, if you can get to a console login with the RTAI kernel
[00:08:46] <simsim> ok nosplash on the boot line, and for force the resolution... give me the cmde line
[00:08:59] <SWPadnos> I don't think you can do tha
[00:09:01] <SWPadnos> t
[00:09:26] <simsim> :'(
[00:09:28] <SWPadnos> you can set the console framebuffer resolution, but nosplash is betterprobably
[00:09:38] <SWPadnos> ... probably better
[00:10:41] <robh_> simsim, u just edit the grub menu loader line for nosplash
[00:11:17] <simsim> ok guys, give me some minutes, i try those thinks. ctrl alt f6, and nosplash, then for insalling ....¨
[00:11:42] <simsim> see you in some minutes.
[00:11:56] <SWPadnos> so that's "esc" to get the menu, cursor down, "e" to edit, "b" to boot the edited config
[00:12:32] <simsim> sorry swpadnos... what...
[00:12:53] <SWPadnos> heh
[00:13:14] <robh_> when it says press escape on bottom screen to load grub, then follow SWPadnos instructions
[00:13:29] <SWPadnos> yes, this is all on the GRUB screen
[00:14:23] <simsim> yes thanks guys, but when now i press esc, i don't have the grub file...
[00:15:45] <SWPadnos> when you boot
[00:16:08] <simsim> ok sorry, ...
[00:17:02] <robh_> hehe
[00:17:14] <simsim> 4minutes...
[00:18:47] <archivist> 4 mins, get that boy a faster pc
[00:19:29] <robh_> has any one started work on a area clearance cycle for laths?
[00:22:06] <simsim> sorry guys, when i press esc just after starting the laptop, i go in the grub menu, and i don't find the grub.list or grub editor...''''
[00:23:45] <simsim> hehe,
[00:24:41] <simsim> eh i have to look by myself how to boot nosplash or i have to try ctrl alt f6...
[00:24:54] <robh_> google is a good friend ;)
[00:25:23] <simsim> what is it...
[00:25:37] <simsim> :-* ok i plesente...
[00:25:52] <simsim> yes google is the answer...
[00:29:05] <dmess> What DID we do before GOOGLE????
[00:29:32] <archivist> Alta Vista
[00:29:39] <BigJohnT> dmess: did you get the link I sent you?
[00:29:41] <dmess> i know i dreamed alot
[00:29:54] <dmess> yes big J
[00:29:57] <dmess> thx
[00:30:24] <LawrenceG> yay... you guys found each other
[00:30:50] <dmess> seems the b series isnt hooked to the pad to do the interim thing
[00:31:34] <dmess> just means i gotta hop my ass and CNC it
[00:31:46] <BigJohnT> the only manual was for the c series but the start/stop should be the same the drive guy tells me
[00:33:17] <dmess> but the faq's mentioned the a &b series dont have the serial output to the pad..
[00:45:09] <dmess> i have a B series
[02:37:13] <jepler> ooh, mesa's new PCIe goodies sound like a good path towards the future
[02:37:39] <jepler> (the upcoming 6i71 and 3x20 mentioned in his e-mail today on the users list)
[02:37:49] <jepler> .. just as long as seb ports hm2 to them
[02:55:38] <cradek> that's really great that they're coming out with new stuff that's useful for emc users
[03:00:13] <archivist> hmm 3am I should stop cutting butter (EN1A free cutting steel) and go to bed
[03:01:37] <cradek> it's looking like bedtime even here
[03:01:44] <archivist> that thread on the list was interesting today
[03:01:48] <cradek> which?
[03:02:15] <archivist> parport finishing with the mesa card
[03:03:01] <cradek> oh, I think I skipped over most of the words in those messages
[03:03:44] <cradek> yay about mesa - I feel like I just don't have to worry.
[03:03:52] <archivist> hehe
[03:04:03] <cradek> I'm glad there are people who are smarter with hardware than me, and feel like working on it
[03:04:25] <cradek> I'm much more excited about my 'spindle at speed' feature-of-the-day
[03:04:29] <archivist> and Im not alone thinking there is a glimmer of light in USB
[03:05:07] <cradek> look! pterodactyl!
[03:05:40] <archivist> started on trunnion axle one....whatch this space
[03:05:50] <cradek> ooh making a 5 axis?
[03:06:11] <archivist> yup
[03:06:15] <cradek> neato
[03:06:53] <archivist> give up on low end rotary and make a sensible design a level above
[03:07:03] <cradek> sounds smart
[03:07:32] <archivist> could keep the wolf from the door when boss closes the place
[03:09:34] <cradek> brb
[13:09:26] <jepler> huh, when did cron get this feature: @reboot to specify the command to run once at reboot
[13:10:01] <archivist> when they copied windaz?
[13:10:49] <archivist> new one for me, not read cron man page since the 1980's
[13:18:10] <jepler> heh
[13:40:35] <jepler> looks like it exists on fedora core 4, but not redhat 9. that narrows it down considerably. maybe it was added in vixie cron 4.0.
[13:43:51] <jepler> hm but the cron on ubuntu 8.04 is "3.0pl1"
[13:47:42] <archivist> 4th Berkeley Distribution 31 October 2006 from the bottom of the man page
[13:48:18] <fragalot> Beep
[14:07:27] <anonimasu> archivist: hmm
[14:07:55] <archivist> hmm beans on cheese on toast
[14:11:40] <archivist> anonimasu, started cutting butter (EN1A steel last night) for the trunnion
[14:12:11] <anonimasu> :)
[14:12:14] <anonimasu> nice
[14:12:24] <anonimasu> I cut some plastic
[14:12:25] <anonimasu> http://imagebin.org/30001
[14:13:10] <archivist> that a project you mentioned a while ago iirc
[14:13:15] <anonimasu> yep
[14:14:23] <anonimasu> there are still a op missing from it, but I didnt have any air to change tools
[14:15:08] <archivist> use mandraulic toolchange
[14:15:22] <anonimasu> power drawbar :p
[14:16:03] <archivist> I dont have luxuries like that
[14:16:07] <anonimasu> I'd have to climb up onto the table of the mill to change tools..
[14:16:13] <anonimasu> :p
[14:16:28] <anonimasu> err reach the drawbar bolt
[14:16:37] <anonimasu> if it can be manually actuated..
[14:25:17] <Jymmmm> archivist: Since when has M$ ever had @reboot?
[14:26:04] <archivist> since long ages, reboot and run part of setup
[14:26:33] <Jymmmm> archivist: Sure, during setup, but not at every reboot/restart
[14:27:19] <Jymmmm> Now, I'm assuming this is run something before rebooting, and not during the restart
[14:27:28] <archivist> I see that as similar
[14:27:59] <Jymmmm> archivist: Ok, tell me how to clear temp files before restarting on M$ ?
[14:28:14] <archivist> for me run once at every reboot then init.d
[14:28:46] <Jymmmm> archivist: RUN ONCE on M$ is executed at the STARUP phase, not during the SHUT DOWN phase.
[14:29:30] <Jymmmm> The ONLY one I know that you can do during the shutdown phase is clear the pagefile
[14:29:45] <Jymmmm> But it's slow too =)
[14:29:46] <anonimasu> I think you can stick scripts to be run into the GPO
[14:30:07] <Jymmmm> Please, someone tell me how.. I'd love to know.
[14:31:15] <anonimasu> you need to make a group policy but how you do that on a normal windows system
[14:31:18] <anonimasu> beats me
[14:31:33] <anonimasu> on windows server you can and then propagate it to clients
[14:31:36] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: Ah, ok. I'll check out grppol.msc then
[14:31:37] <anonimasu> try "gpedit"
[14:31:46] <anonimasu> or whatever they call it :)
[14:33:25] <Jymmmm> I'll have to try it sometime then extract the regkeys if possible.
[14:33:49] <anonimasu> im not sure it ends up in a regkey
[14:33:57] <anonimasu> it might end up in a black hole :p
[14:34:09] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: where else might it end up?
[14:34:49] <Jymmmm> Most things grppol changes are registry that I'm aware of, but sometimes it's 50,000 keys too, making it icky to toss in a script
[14:36:24] <Jymmmm> One thing I've been trying to do lately is create a script/utility to pre-config a new user account and it's applications. WAY too many keys in the funkiest of places too.
[14:37:55] <fenn> anonimasu: try cleaning your camera lens
[14:38:18] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: dont use a can of air either
[14:38:55] <fenn> CCl4 makes a great solvent though!
[14:38:59] <anonimasu> lol
[14:39:17] <Jymmmm> CCL4 ?
[14:39:24] <fenn> the stuff in canned air
[14:39:30] <Jymmmm> ah
[14:40:26] <Jymmmm> It wasn't the solvent aspects as much as condensation build up, which (potentionally) leads to mold growth in lenses.
[14:40:50] <Jymmmm> Say bu-bye to that $400 piece of glass =)
[14:41:13] <archivist> $100 plastic
[14:42:34] <Jymmmm> If you need a cheap gift for neice/nephew... http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10736973
[14:42:35] <fenn> i was thinking he should just wipe off the Crisco with a paper towel or something
[14:42:59] <archivist> some papers are very scratchy
[14:43:10] <Jymmmm> micro-fiber cloth
[14:43:20] <archivist> recycled crap
[14:43:47] <anonimasu> uh.. it's a cellphone camera..
[14:44:03] <anonimasu> the lens is scratched
[14:44:07] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: Oh, well just spit on it and use your shirt then.
[14:47:02] <anonimasu> cant polish scratches away -_-
[14:47:14] <Jymmmm> This is a nice PNS camera, records video and audio too, http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9188685
[14:47:22] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: sure you can =)
[14:47:43] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: Just grab the lens from a box of cracker jacks camera =)
[14:48:13] <Jymmmm> Oh, and avoid the Nikon Coolpix series of cameras.... pretty crappy when I looked last year.
[14:48:36] <anonimasu> holy crap..
[14:48:44] <anonimasu> I do have a camera, just not in my pocket
[14:48:48] <anonimasu> all the time
[14:48:56] <archivist> * archivist wants a canon body to go with lenses
[14:49:15] <Jymmmm> archivist: what happened to the body?
[14:49:28] <archivist> it uses film!
[14:49:33] <Jymmmm> Ah
[14:49:40] <Jymmmm> archivist: $$$$$
[14:49:49] <Jymmmm> (to process film)
[14:49:58] <archivist> I have a freebee dead digital
[14:50:20] <Jymmmm> archivist: how much glass do you have?
[14:50:33] <archivist> 3
[14:50:41] <Jymmmm> hi end or avg?
[14:50:49] <archivist> avg
[14:51:04] <Jymmmm> worth buying a digital body?
[14:51:09] <archivist> yes
[14:51:20] <SWPadnos> then sell the lenses and get a Nikon D90 or D300
[14:51:22] <Jymmmm> archivist: You seenthe Nikon D90 ?
[14:51:31] <archivist> I keep looking on fleabay
[14:51:36] <Jymmmm> D90 does 720i Video too
[14:51:42] <SWPadnos> 720p
[14:51:48] <Jymmmm> archivist: It was just released couple months ago
[14:51:57] <archivist> I likes Canon
[14:52:04] <SWPadnos> moron
[14:52:06] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: what's P or i ?
[14:52:13] <archivist> and I cant afford mega£
[14:52:14] <SWPadnos> err, I mean, that's your choice :)
[14:52:22] <SWPadnos> progressive or interlaced
[14:52:22] <archivist> hehe
[14:52:33] <SWPadnos> the D90 is under $1000
[14:52:35] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: pro/con of each?
[14:52:36] <SWPadnos> well under
[14:52:50] <SWPadnos> P has better image quality, but takes up more space
[14:53:00] <SWPadnos> the only advantage to I is space efficiency
[14:53:17] <Jymmmm> oh, well screw that, memcards are cheap
[14:53:24] <anonimasu> hm.. eos 1000d are cheap now
[14:53:28] <SWPadnos> (ie, less storage for the same amount of time, because there's only half the data)
[14:54:04] <archivist> anonimasu, for what definition of cheap
[14:54:11] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: I have lost *SO* many awesome shots because I was being frugal with memory (set camera to lower res), NEVER EVER again.
[14:54:12] <SWPadnos> the new sensor in the Nikons is amazing, and I'm pretty sure that the Canon sensors (except maybe on the EOS 5D Mark II) are nowhere close
[14:54:20] <SWPadnos> nope, no point
[14:54:26] <anonimasu> hm..
[14:54:42] <anonimasu> archivist: 383eur is cheap
[14:54:47] <anonimasu> but that's without tax.
[14:54:48] <Jymmmm> http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-SLR/25446/D90.html
[14:55:00] <SWPadnos> I have tested the D700, D300, and D3. only messed with the D90 for a few minutes, but it's the same sensor aas the D300
[14:55:23] <SWPadnos> I only had a few minutes to tes thte EOS 5D Mark 2 (a $4000+ camera)
[14:55:47] <SWPadnos> but I didn't have time to compare image quality of different brands with a controlled test setup
[14:56:28] <archivist> my current digital is an Olympus C-745, dont like the lens a lot
[14:56:30] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: And the D90 has a vertical grip too!!!!
[14:56:39] <SWPadnos> it's an accessory
[14:56:42] <Jymmmm> Oh I HATE Olympus!
[14:56:50] <SWPadnos> same as the D300 and D700, but not the same part number
[14:56:58] <SWPadnos> the D3 has it built in
[14:56:58] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: Yeah, but my D70 didn't have that option
[14:57:10] <Jymmmm> (before it was stolen)
[14:57:16] <SWPadnos> the D70p does I think, but that doesn't help ;)
[14:57:18] <SWPadnos> bummer
[14:57:56] <Jymmmm> Damnit... Nikon doens't say how much video you can take... on the 8/1/08 preview it said like 5 minutes. but that was prelim
[14:58:16] <SWPadnos> I don't know. didn't ask the guys either
[14:58:27] <SWPadnos> wait for the next one though, it should do full 1080
[14:59:38] <Jymmmm> Man Nikon is getting bad... there are printable and non-printable manuals for download.... printable requires valid SN
[15:00:12] <SWPadnos> yeah, they've been doing that for the pro stuff for a while. I don't know why
[15:00:29] <Jymmmm> I was able to print for my D70.
[15:00:39] <jepler> fwiw I don't see much difference between D300 and 50D sensors in these tests: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos50d/page17.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos50d/page26.asp
[15:00:40] <Jymmmm> Oh, and it's well worth it to print it out too
[15:01:44] <SWPadnos> or just don't lose your manual
[15:02:03] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: No, so you can READ it wihtout needing a microscope =)
[15:02:17] <SWPadnos> heh
[15:02:52] <archivist> or cheat with magnifying specs
[15:03:07] <Jymmmm> archivist: manual is 300+ pages
[15:03:21] <Jymmmm> that's a lot of cheating =)
[15:03:31] <archivist> but 5 in english?
[15:03:40] <Jymmmm> 100% English
[15:04:09] <anonimasu> hm..
[15:04:23] <anonimasu> the d300 looks alot better.
[15:04:25] <Jymmmm> The manual for the SB800 is 180 pages... and that's just a flash!
[15:04:29] <anonimasu> if you cant spot the difference your screen sucks
[15:05:51] <anonimasu> hmm scaling artifact ;p
[15:05:51] <anonimasu> sorry
[15:05:57] <SWPadnos> the D300 is a better camera for serious photographers, the D90 for people who mostly want to do snapshots but also want to be able to get full control from time to time
[15:06:22] <anonimasu> if you look at subtile color differencies
[15:06:27] <anonimasu> like the top image, of the martini bottle
[15:06:54] <anonimasu> the martini logo, you can tell the difference.
[15:08:22] <Jymmmm> Movies up to 2 GB in size can be recorded in live view mode
[15:08:45] <Jymmmm> Here we go...
[15:08:46] <SWPadnos> hmm - that seems weird
[15:08:47] <Jymmmm> Movie files can be up to 2 GB in size. The maximum length is 5 min for movies with a
[15:08:47] <Jymmmm> frame size of 1280 × 720, 20 min for other movies; note that depending on memory card
[15:08:47] <Jymmmm> write speed, shooting may end before this length is reached.
[15:08:56] <SWPadnos> I know there's a 2G size limit due to FAT32
[15:09:12] <SWPadnos> but live view and video are two different modes
[15:09:28] <Jymmmm> So 5min max
[15:09:33] <SWPadnos> there's also an HDMI output, so if you have an HD recorder of some sort, you can record forever
[15:09:35] <jepler> anyone had an acer aspire? I'm being tempted by http://www.woot.com/ today
[15:09:55] <jepler> (I have one of the 800x480 eees, so 1024x600 sounds like a nice step up)
[15:10:04] <SWPadnos> heh
[15:10:14] <dmess> my aspire fried in 3 months
[15:10:18] <jepler> dmess: ouch
[15:10:22] <SWPadnos> bbl
[15:10:36] <Jymmmm> jepler: 4 ppl but them the same day at work
[15:11:16] <anonimasu> acer dosent quite have the quality of other brands I tink(it might have changed lately)
[15:11:17] <Jymmmm> jepler: the SSD is slow
[15:11:44] <jepler> Jymmmm: slower than eee? ouch
[15:11:45] <Jymmmm> jepler: the 512m is soldered on board, so one slot open for adding a 1G
[15:12:10] <jepler> (how anyone needs more than 512MB to run a web browser beats me)
[15:12:38] <Jymmmm> jepler: Heh.... when the browser uses 150MB alone, what you think?
[15:13:23] <Jymmmm> They released a newer BIOS to help with battery life
[15:14:08] <Jymmmm> jepler: There was a benefit of getting the one with XP (even if you were going to blow it away) but I can't rememebr what it was.
[15:15:24] <Jymmmm> jepler: Next year they'll be releasing the dual core
[15:15:51] <jepler> yeah, I should probably wait
[15:15:55] <jepler> .. as infrequently as I use my eee anyway
[15:17:03] <Jymmmm> jepler: Yeah, One of the guys at work is (basically) a freakin geniuse... He had a hard time getting it going perfectly, but did get ubuntu working on it perfectly after a while.
[15:17:46] <Jymmmm> but is upgrading to 1.5GB and wants to get rid of the hdd and toss in a flash card to get better battery life
[15:19:18] <Jymmmm> I want 8+ hours of battery life and toss on vmware, so I'll wait till next gen.
[15:21:07] <Jymmmm> jepler: The kybd has a nice feel to it though. if that helps any
[15:22:57] <Jymmmm> Now, I just need to find a 13.8VDC to 18.1VDC adapter to run it from the car =)
[15:25:09] <Paragon> Hello All. I have a question regarding servo motor voltage. I have seen motors that are say 24V 10A and motors that are 90V or even 560V. I presume it is the winding that determine the voltage / amperage rating but how if any does the winding differ?
[15:27:21] <Paragon> For example does a high voltage motor employ higher gauge wire and a great deal more of it than the lower voltage motor?
[15:32:40] <archivist> thinner wire, more turns, higher voltage, coils are basicly rated in ampere turns
[15:33:12] <archivist> and there is some leeway
[15:35:20] <Paragon> Thanks archivist ... So are the benifits of using higher voltage motors due to cheaper drivers as they can use low amp high voltage fets as oposed to having to deal with high amps?
[15:36:27] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: OH I just remembered... I was given a 24P serial concentrator (sorta) that when you install the drivers under nix, each port show upas a serial port under linuc
[15:36:29] <Jymmmm> x
[15:36:32] <archivist> inductance resists the change of current, so a higher drive voltage can get to the required current in a shorter time
[15:37:24] <Paragon> Right due EMF?
[15:37:33] <archivist> eg a DC 5v 2amp stepper is often run of 40v and the current limited
[15:37:45] <archivist> of at
[15:37:57] <archivist> EMF yes
[15:39:29] <Paragon> OK got it now thanks for the clarifying archivist
[15:40:02] <Paragon> Thoughts on this motor? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270292635747
[15:40:47] <archivist> took you 30 secs, someone in #electronics has been "researching" electric cars and drives for a few years and still doesnt get it
[15:41:04] <SWPadnos> in general, high voltage translates to high speed and high current translates to high torque
[15:41:36] <fenn> this took entirely too long to do: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
[15:41:52] <Jymmmm> And Zepplins translats to SWPadnos Being there in 30 seconds or less. guarnteed!
[15:42:12] <SWPadnos> heh - I'm in and out, "wait, wait - don't tell me" is on :)
[15:43:09] <archivist> Paragon, try google the motor as well, cant see feedback on it yet
[15:43:47] <Paragon> So high voltage low current is easier to switch states has bears less of a burden on the controller has higher rpm but lower torque. But you would'nt want to put your tongue on the wires ;-)
[15:45:12] <archivist> thin wire = high resistance and higher losses
[15:45:18] <Paragon> archivist: I tried that but nothing for the part number comes up.
[15:46:18] <DanielFalck> jepler: my wife bought an eee 901 and I installed Ubuntu on it with no problems. she loves it
[15:46:27] <Paragon> OK... Do they run hotter or cooler or is there not much it?
[15:46:28] <archivist> still looks like the man read servo off the label so nice lump
[15:46:48] <archivist> losses=heat
[15:47:29] <archivist> low volt amps machine will be cooler for the same torque
[15:47:46] <Paragon> I thought that would be the case. thanks again. I'm Thinking of taking the plunge on that servo...
[15:48:45] <archivist> * archivist watches it
[15:48:47] <fenn> archivist: i thought it was the other way around
[15:48:54] <fenn> higher voltage = more efficient
[15:49:05] <archivist> more resistance loss
[15:49:07] <fenn> more copper = better
[15:49:33] <Paragon> Does 1Nm seem quite low for a motor of this size?
[15:49:39] <archivist> that depends on packing ratio of coils
[15:50:04] <DanielFalck> fenn: the cam refactor looks useful to me.
[15:50:20] <DanielFalck> fenn: easier for me to navigate
[15:50:37] <archivist> fenn could add that new one that got mentioned on the list
[15:50:45] <fenn> i dont read the list anymore
[15:50:53] <DanielFalck> fenn: should we lose the brackets around the program names?
[15:51:04] <fenn> i dont know how.. usemod sucks
[15:51:06] <archivist> fenn Salome
[15:51:12] <fenn> it's there
[15:51:29] <fenn> would be nice to add screenshot thumbnail for each one
[15:52:53] <archivist> bah had to use find after 2 scans of the page, lose the []
[15:52:59] <archivist> 2/3
[15:53:12] <fenn> again, i dont know how to get rid of []
[15:53:32] <archivist> Salome drawing a bit ...strange
[15:53:58] <DanielFalck> what can you do with salome then? isn't it a FEA package?
[15:54:22] <archivist> seems there is a 3d modeller in there!
[15:54:37] <DanielFalck> wow, really?...
[15:54:41] <archivist> well hidden by poor doc and interface
[15:54:46] <fenn> could you do some serious CAD with it?
[15:55:08] <fenn> i was surprised when i saw the modeler, it might be new?
[15:55:38] <archivist> took me ages to draw my first line
[15:56:02] <archivist> cant edit my endpoints though
[15:56:34] <jepler> fenn: I think you can get rid of the brackets by writing <html><a href="...">...</a><html> instead of the []-notation
[15:56:54] <archivist> to draw line, enter point, enter point, enter line, dont start with a line!
[15:58:44] <fenn> * fenn briefly considers converting the whole thing to html
[15:58:58] <fenn> yay outdated wiki technology!
[15:59:03] <archivist> HTML rulz
[15:59:50] <jepler> er, second should be </html> of course
[16:15:32] <skunkworks> http://cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37656&page=8
[16:26:34] <Jymmmm> hey LawrenceG
[16:27:21] <LawrenceG> hey Jymmmm how did the fog generator go over?
[16:28:31] <Jymmmm> LawrenceG: Actually very nice... When I initially tested it (set for outdoors at 7 seconds), I filled up the entire room accidentally and almost set off the fire alarm for the whole bldg (all 7 floors).
[16:28:55] <Jymmmm> LawrenceG: Changed to .55s, and all was good =)
[16:28:59] <LawrenceG> hehehe
[16:29:38] <Jymmmm> oh crap... I forgot to uncover the smoke detectors, I'll do that Monday. The bldg engineer covered them up for us (just in case)
[16:30:03] <Jymmmm> the fog was creeping along the ceiling right towards the sensors
[16:30:52] <LawrenceG> very cool
[16:31:24] <Jymmmm> LawrenceG: Yeah it was, and barely used any of the fog fluid too.
[16:31:54] <LawrenceG> fog fluid?... just use diesel !
[16:32:06] <Jymmmm> I filled it up when I first bought the fog machine, and ran it all day yesterday, and it's still at 1/2 full
[16:32:17] <Jymmmm> I said FOG not SMOKE!
[16:54:06] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: ping
[16:55:13] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: I just got my paws on a couple Intel Xeon 5160 cpus... 3GHz/4m/1333. But my only xeon mobo is SLOT 604, any ideas? Does an adapter exist?
[16:58:17] <SWPadnos> no idea
[16:58:48] <Jymmmm> socket 771 cpus, socket 604 mobo =)
[16:59:45] <tom1> <ot sorry> i have an idc connector that id ike a pcb to plug into ( avoiding flat band ), is there such a connector?
[17:00:02] <Jymmmm> .1 headers
[17:00:24] <Jymmmm> or am I misunderstanding th equestion
[17:00:38] <tom1> argh i think you're right (doh!)
[17:00:42] <Jymmmm> =)
[17:09:23] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: JEEBUS JIMINY CRICKET BATMAN!!! Intel Xeon 5160 SL9RT
[17:11:59] <Jymmmm> SWPadnos: The price of these on ebay is obscene!
[17:12:42] <BigJohnT> you should price tractor tires :/
[17:12:49] <Jymmmm> LOL
[17:12:53] <Jymmmm> on ebay?
[17:14:09] <Jymmmm> You know, I just wanted to upgrade my Dual P3 desktop box, but jeebus!
[17:17:49] <archivist> wheel on your Xeon should look nice
[17:18:01] <archivist> pimp my server
[17:18:17] <Jymmmm> heh, with 32GB ram, it should be =)
[17:19:43] <Jymmmm> The thing is, I'm not sure if these are good or not, and then add a mobo + ram, eh
[17:19:53] <Jymmmm> They should be, but...
[17:21:13] <Jymmmm> 4M L2 Cache (2M per core)
[17:21:50] <Jymmmm> I might be able to run PONG on it, but ya never know ;)
[17:27:37] <Jymmmm> This kinda bites.... I'm trying to get rid of everything, but lately I keep collecting more crap *sigh*, I want to upgrade my desktop, get some VM's going, but geeze it's one thing or another that slowls me down.
[17:28:52] <Jymmmm> I have one dual Xeon 1U box, but it screams like a banshee. Ok, toss it in a mid tower case, but has a funky PS (connector) requirements. Now just got these fancy XEON cpu's, but no mobo.
[17:36:07] <Jymmmm> Besides weirdstuff, who sells used mobos?
[17:42:24] <fenn> goodwill
[17:54:26] <Jymmmm> fenn: rotf
[17:54:47] <Jymmmm> fenn: Sorry, I should have been more clear... I meant from this century
[18:04:06] <tom1> used mobs at www.directron.com www.motherboardpro.com www.geeks.com ( sone are 'refurbished')
[18:04:22] <tom1> even hp
[18:04:36] <archivist> snake oil term 'refurbished'
[18:04:55] <tom1> aka used or maybe ab-used ;)
[18:04:59] <archivist> older stock is more correct
[18:05:35] <archivist> or wiped the dust off
[18:05:40] <Jymmmm> 12M L2 cache!!!
[18:05:56] <tom1> i always thought they were bought/rejected/retested
[18:07:17] <archivist> I know HP and some others make N and if a new model arrives the old model spare goes out the discount route
[18:27:19] <Jymmmm> Yeah, the mobo's still seem too expensive for my tastes, I'll just sell the CPU's instead
[18:28:30] <Jymmmm> I'm going thru everything and just gonna sell-it-all as one big fat lot!
[18:29:07] <Jymmmm> Lots of stuff someone can take the time and sell individually to make up for it.
[18:29:15] <archivist> Jymmmm'a yard sale, all the carp you can carry
[18:29:29] <Jymmmm> archivist: Nope, one big fat LOT... all or nothing
[18:30:02] <Jymmmm> I just don't have the time to deal with it all. I'd much rather make the lot more appealing by adding as much as I cna to it.
[18:31:03] <archivist> I find selling off hard work
[18:31:25] <Jymmmm> That's why I'm letting someone else do it.
[18:31:44] <archivist> the "it might be useful" syndrome
[18:31:57] <dmess> my refurbished HP p2 has been the most stable machine in the house for over 5 yrs now
[18:32:37] <archivist> I got an discount HP, its the box Im on now
[18:32:49] <Jymmmm> I (basically) need three things... keep the 2 1U boxes, the 14U portable rack, a few cables/odd-n-ends, and replace my desktop box. Anything else goes in the pot!
[18:32:53] <dmess> i have a full basement of " it might be usefull someday... stuff"
[18:33:19] <archivist> only a basement!
[18:33:43] <archivist> garage, house and some at work
[18:33:47] <dmess> and a 10x12 storage unit
[18:33:54] <Jymmmm> OH! and I might keep the 4U chassis, just so I can toss in a full system into it, if I can retrofit the front for removable drives.
[18:33:57] <archivist> and erm a shed
[18:34:05] <dmess> packed to the rafters
[18:49:48] <fenn> archivist: suggestion; use your archiving skills to setup an online inventory system so people can buy your crap
[18:50:20] <archivist> hehe
[18:50:47] <archivist> fenn erm I actually do have a page
[18:50:55] <fenn> perhaps pipe the output to ebay
[18:51:05] <fenn> <if only it were so easy>
[18:51:32] <archivist> buggers are not buying on fleabay this week
[18:52:01] <archivist> two buy it nows, and nothing!
[19:21:34] <jepler> hmph, crossover office doesn't run the altera fpga development package
[19:27:44] <tom1> jepler: have you tried vmware or virtualbox to do same?
[19:38:21] <jepler> tom1: yes; I use virtualbox for it normally but thought maybe crossover would be more convenient for it
[19:38:36] <jepler> (since there was the chance to get it legitimately for free the other day)
[19:42:22] <Jymmmm> crossover?
[19:43:56] <Paragon> Do you think this is a fair price for this motor? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280279769193
[19:45:20] <Jymmmm> jepler: Why not vmserver2? It runs nice under Ubuntu 8.04.1 AMD64
[19:47:51] <fenn> Paragon: no
[19:48:24] <fenn> kollmorgen is good brand but that's salvage
[19:48:42] <Paragon> fenn: thanks what do you think would be a fair offer?
[19:49:00] <archivist> Paragon, he has some odd stuff at odd prices, just found a vfd with possible the wrond description
[19:49:13] <Paragon> vfd?
[19:49:28] <fenn> half that maybe
[19:49:29] <Paragon> varible frequency device ?
[19:50:15] <Paragon> fenn: Thanks for the advice
[19:50:27] <dmess> DRIVE
[19:50:46] <Paragon> lol thanks dmess
[19:51:08] <fenn> Paragon: advice was worth what you paid for it :)
[19:51:19] <Paragon> :-)
[19:52:49] <archivist> I take that sellers descriptions with a pinch of salt
[19:53:54] <dmess> i have 1 im trying to fingure out as we speak... its a sore spot
[19:54:14] <archivist> Paragon, FREQUENCY STATIC FREQUENCY CHANGER FLENDER OW4/220X page 5
[19:54:47] <Paragon> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DAYTON-DC-MOTORS-X-4-MODEL-4Z528_W0QQitemZ280279987508QQihZ018QQcategoryZ26209QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
[19:55:00] <archivist> iirc when I ggogled flender ages ago its hard work
[19:55:41] <archivist> I just googled the motos and just dc motors all over the place
[19:56:21] <archivist> bah fleabay bad weekend habit :)
[19:57:25] <archivist> southbend http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/South-Bend-9-Model-C-Centre-Lathe-Spares-or-Repair_W0QQitemZ290270653112QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290270653112&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
[19:57:36] <Paragon> archivist: do you have a link for that cant seem to find it.
[19:58:23] <archivist> link for what
[19:59:01] <Paragon> archivist: It OK found it ... ow4/220x
[20:00:23] <archivist> I could spend the contents of my pockets in seconds on fleabay
[20:14:43] <Jymmmm> Hey, if you see a cnc router advertised, other than travel, what specs are you going to ask about?
[20:17:53] <fenn> rapid speed, spindle size, table mounting type
[20:18:04] <Jymmmm> router, not mill
[20:18:22] <fenn> yeah, comes with router? or do you add your own?
[20:18:27] <Jymmmm> you know, those questions ppl ask when they are too stupid to know better.
[20:18:31] <Paragon> Catch you all later chaps... Off to a 50th Birthday Party ... Should be fun ... lol
[20:18:44] <Jymmmm> precision, accuracy, repeatability, etc
[20:18:59] <fenn> Jymmmm: precision, on a router? LOL
[20:19:13] <Jymmmm> Like I said... too stupid to know better
[20:19:32] <fenn> well, write whatever you want
[20:19:55] <fenn> .0001" resolution with microstepping drives!!!!
[20:20:28] <fenn> "made from precision machined billet aircraft aluminum"
[20:20:50] <Jymmmm> go on, I can copy and paste rpretty fast!
[20:21:18] <Jymmmm> Accuracy?
[20:21:37] <Jymmmm> (I dont know wtf that really means actually =)
[20:21:39] <fenn> "CNC Accuracy"
[20:21:59] <fenn> hm "CNC precision" makes more sense
[20:22:16] <Jymmmm> Remembr, dumbasses are gonna read this
[20:22:29] <fenn> <- failed specmanship class
[20:22:34] <Jymmmm> ditto
[20:23:37] <fenn> i wouldnt try to impress people with numbers unless you have impressive numbers
[20:24:11] <Jymmmm> not embelish, just nfc what those terms mean, but ppl always ask it seems, so I'm shoving them in there.
[20:24:41] <fenn> basically, accuracy depends on the machinist more than the machine
[20:24:52] <Jymmmm> I know, I know
[20:44:59] <archivist> hmm retrofit fodder
[20:49:29] <archivist> Jymmmm, describe faults, else negative feedback when they get it home
[23:07:53] <BigJohnT> all is quiet on the western front
[23:08:14] <archivist> and here
[23:08:50] <SkinnYPuPp> ***crickets***
[23:09:19] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUWd4j2T-RQ&feature=related
[23:15:32] <archivist> saturday , cutting metal, play on IRC, browse fleabay.....forgot to eat cakes!!!
[23:16:02] <pjm_> no cake on the weekend!! wtf...
[23:16:33] <BigJohnT> you can't have any cake unless you eat your meat
[23:16:41] <archivist> iced buns still in packet!
[23:17:13] <pjm_> ah yes they are my favorite too!
[23:17:21] <pjm_> just icing, no sprinkles etc
[23:17:23] <BigJohnT> ohh sticky buns just the thought makes my blood glucose go up
[23:18:14] <archivist> digging swarf curls from my hair
[23:21:22] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT looks for Das Boot
[23:21:37] <archivist> on das foot
[23:22:18] <BigJohnT> at walmart ...
[23:22:37] <BigJohnT> by wolfgang peterson
[23:24:24] <BigJohnT> $30
[23:24:49] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT now looks for Fawlty Towers
[23:26:56] <Kohlswa> mmm fawlty towers
[23:27:21] <fragalot> Scientists expect a 1,400-pound tank of toxic ammonia coolant that was thrown from the International Space Station a year ago to plunge through the Earth's atmosphere Sunday.
[23:27:22] <fragalot> bahah
[23:27:45] <fragalot> wheres my gas mask at..
[23:27:48] <BigJohnT> it's only toxic if you breath it
[23:27:59] <fragalot> BigJohnT: "in the atmosphere"
[23:28:15] <jmkasunich> 1400 lbs isn't much, its a big atmosphere
[23:28:25] <fragalot> jmkasunich: it might just make it to your backyard :p
[23:28:38] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich hides
[23:28:41] <BigJohnT> they put 14000 tons in the ground around here every year
[23:29:06] <BigJohnT> what ever the meth makers don't steal
[23:29:07] <fragalot> if you're going to say "and see how i turned out", you will have proven my point
[23:29:20] <fragalot> :)
[23:29:32] <fragalot> man, i've played too much CoD5 :/
[23:29:42] <BigJohnT> snvl do ofsjj a dfljdo sodjfjw
[23:29:49] <fragalot> exactly
[23:30:08] <BigJohnT> crap now I forgot the other video I wanted to find
[23:30:22] <archivist> * archivist is amused at journalists adding "toxic" to build the gravitas of the headlines
[23:31:03] <archivist> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/funny-pictures-a-letter-from-a-very-intelligent-cat.jpg
[23:31:05] <fragalot> archivist: and "plunge" to make joe the plummer read it
[23:31:44] <fragalot> lmao
[23:32:02] <fragalot> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/28/funny-pictures-nex-times-plz/
[23:32:03] <fragalot> hehe
[23:32:23] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT wanders off behind the animals
[23:51:35] <BigJohnT> oh yea, it was father goose