has anyone had a look at the New Syil X5 mill? its a converted mill rather than one they make, it seems to have more travel and if its the mill I have used before its actualy quite rigid
Rap2: when I googled it I found this page about it.. http://www.cnczone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-48124.html
-- seems to be a year old, not new
I guess its been a year since I looked..
half the price of the tormach
I dont know that the tormach is twice the machine...
my cnc's made primarily out of plastic, so anything made of metal sounds pretty impressive :-P
(circuit board milling machine, not for metal)
has anyone worked on a hal config for Syil, I belive SWPadons was working on somthing for the Tormach
getting the motors to run will be easy, and home switches should be too .. I haven't found any details about spindle control or estop yet
Rap2: to do a config, you either need the machine, or good documentation for the machine
seems to be the only people motivated to do the config would be someone with the machine
from that CNCzone thread, it looks like the X5 is a small machine
"Probably a bit more solid (230#) then the X2 (145#), but easier to manhandle around then the X3 (430#)."
tormach is 1100 pounds
of course, those weights could be all wrong - do you have a link to specs for the machine?
I had the x5 confused with a machine that had an r8 spindle
this is what I found: http://188.8.131.52/search?q=cache:j0gDHdTEZ4cJ:www.syil.com.cn/en/bf20.asp+syil+x5&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
-- not much information there, and the real .cn page doesn't load for me
(incidentally, that page says MT3 or R8)
the china pages says mt2
well thats gooder
and Im sure it dosent weigh 70 kg
which is 150 pounds
Rap2: why do you say that?
I can believe 150 lbs
Anyone familiar with grinding wheels? Was wondering what bond and hardness and grain material to use on automotive lifters to recrown the face using a tool post grinder on a lathe.
it works! http://jmkasunich.com/pics/hbm-vismach-ss2.png
I think I need a bigger program
jmkasunich: AWESOME! (Um, what is it?)
a model of a horizontal boring mill
(running EMC of course)
ah... it's functional (on screen at least) ?
earlier pic, before I finished the column details: http://jmkasunich.com/pics/hbm-vismach-ss1.png
yes, it is functional - thats how the EMC2 AXIS got there
you run EMC, and in addition to the normal AXIS gui window, you get a window showing the model
when you jog, etc, the model moves
you can pan, zoom and rotate the model window to see it from any angle
Heh... now if you could include it showing when a hydralic hose leaks =)
draw puddles on the floor?
it squirt fluid all over tha place
augmented virtual reality
Or emulate all the swarf on the table based upon the cuts that have been done =)
now somebody just needs to work out how to do hardware-accelerated collision detection so it can tell you if you're going to crash the machine
Then display this on the screen... http://www.batmania.com.ar/images/images_serie/serie_zlott.jpg
"machine crash. you are all out of zloty! go to jail, do not collect 200 zloty"
jmkasunich: is that one of Stuart's mills?
that's pretty cool
its just a generic HBM
that config is in CVS trunk (as of just now), so anybody can play with it if they want
[03:11:58] <tomp4> http://www.syilcyprus.com/
may be easier to view than cn site (x4 looks like thier bigee)
i see the old X5 (a very small machine) has a new name, and X5 refers to a larger machine and a proposed X7 may be Tormach sized. (due early 2009)
DanielFalck: I got some of the oil you recommended. it works great.
it smells like the kind of restaurant you don't really want to eat at
so if your ladder skills are not that great and a machine for sail has none would you replace the ladder or run it on emc and start from ground up?
I should really start checking what I type b4 I start showing how stupid I really might be... gone sailing lol
emc can do ladder code too
cradek: i'd do pex-al-pex for air lines
supposedly plain pex will work, even if it's not supposed to
* fenn chases his tail
i wonder if a car air conditioner compressor would work well for air.. they pull a few hp off the engine at least
you are changing all params to pins in hal modules ?
it is only for usability or params are be to removed ?
* archivist looks at jmkasunich's pics nice
must crack how to run sim on this box to see it in the flesh on own box
micges: mostly for usability
hm, it's all good that it's in a book..
but, how the hell do you buy it in sweden.
amazon, fleabay, what book
01:12 < SkinnYPuPp> anonimasu: That article refers to a book "Building an EDM ISBN 0-941 653-52-8" obtainable from Camden Miniature Steam Services (01373 830 151)
well, they are all nice, but im in northern europe..
[12:20:52] <archivist> http://www.camdenmin.co.uk/
their website has export postal page
but how do they accept payment?
* anonimasu hugs the mill
I got to make some parts for some customer, even if it was two slots it's nice ;)
that they dont say, suppose one has to login and go through the motions to get to the checkout page
im happy they are +/-0.00? something :p
closer than a chalk mark, near enough
im happy about it being right for the first part without trying to get insanely close
and here I thought you were into doing precision scrap ^_^
its clockwork here, supposed to rattle
I got a puzzled look when I asked about tolerances
clockwork is precision near enough
that's awesome -_-
I thought clockwork stuff were very very high precision things
so its claimed, but fits are loose compared to engineering, Timex due to interchangeability did work to tenths
millimeter or inch?
tenths of a thou
err how small is that in mm?
I've never learned inch terminology too well :(
I see :)
clockmakers are only supposed to get to .1mm
tight but not extreme
drop togther fit
are watches higher precision than clocks?
yes but still have good clearances compared to engineering
* fenn generally thinks of precision in terms of percentages
its amusing that this trade does not have a set of "fits" published
"sloppy" "rattle" "ball bearing in a barn"
barn is a measuring unit 10 ^-24 square metres, which to an electron is a barn door
have you sold any gears yet as an independent business owner?
but not independent yet
i dont care what the physicists say, "b" is bit and "B" is byte
heh dont join ##c and argue the size of byte
two nibbles? :)
some claim 8 and some claim machine size
or is that nybble
they're wrong then
i think they're confusing byte and word
a byte is 8 bits. a "word" may be machine size
int is machine size as well
seen a few arguments in there
not necessarily ;)
while on the subject, does the unit 'nat' make sense to anyone?
around the size of a gnat's ass?
hmmm - no, never heard of it
related to a gnats whisker?
[13:14:00] <fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_(information)
hmm - maybe today I can figure out why my driver ic's are being takin out.
related to the ringing skunkworks ?
did you ever see pete W's suggestions?
have not checked yet - jmk thinks the ringing is the scope probe.
when was that?
I dont think its the probe
crap - wasn't the logger down this weekend?
I have a log if you need
he wanted me to ground and probe the same spot to see if the ring was still there.
scope probes shouldnt ring
I just haven't gotten around to it.
fenn: thanks a lot
i thought it was useful info
wow - internet seems a bit slow this morning.
i dont really get the diode-on-gate idea though
it just makes it turn off faster than it turns on
they show that in the app notes.
i dunno what DV/DT turnon means either
and providing a different charge dischage rate for the gate capacitance
rate of change
why would that make the fet turn on?
capacitance couples the voltage change
peterw: Thanks for the info!
cant think of a nice explanation
* skunkworks knows he keeps an eye on here.
archivist: is it something like inductive kickback but with capacitors?
hmm could be
I assume it makes it turn on slow - but turn off fast. the gate capasitence with the resistor in series causes the mostfet to turn on slow (with a higher resistor).
if there is a large fast change on the output then it only needs a small cap to couple that to the gate and start some ringing
the diode then allows it to turn off quick
[13:33:32] <skunkworks> http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-978.pdf
^ I need to read this again.
and put it under my pillow and hope for some osmosis
yes a quick glance and there is a lot there to digest
hmm i wonder whose idea it was to put this blinding blue led right on the front of the monitor
fenn: same moron who made my alarm clock light up the whole neighborhood
archivist: ok so capacitive coupling != dielectric frequency response
fenn look at the parasitic capacitance that pdf talks about
yeah i get it now
customer at door...
Hello All, I am trying to find the source code for pluto-p-servo I cant seem to find it via cvsview.
I found it ... http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/src/hal/drivers/pluto_servo_firmware/
How do I read an axis position to use in a gcode program? The intent is to read the position of the A and B axes and use the position in a calculation for the XYZ axes. I a gcode program.
in a gcode program
heh im only doing 4 axis and I have fun
I want to set the B axis and move the X and Z - and - set the A and move the Y and Z. This will allow me use a straight bar in the spindle and check the angle position
ah some trig then
* archivist switches the other box on
forget it - is already does that - I will do it another way
tom1 is now known as tomp4
[18:06:03] <alex_joni> http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/10/enceladus_up_close.html
stuste1, ah ok, was going to dig a piece of my helical gcode
which traverses the angle by xz or yz but does not set B yet because i dont have the 5th axis built yet
I should rewrite it as a testing gcode for 5 axis machines
I saw the telephone sheep once in the postal museum in frankfurt, germany -- they were awesome.
er, maybe it was the communication museum, I dunno
it's cool :)
we have a running gag about sheep in #mysql, just waiting for reaction
Si Fractum non sit, noli id reficere
hows it going
Sub sole nihil novi est
though my brain disconnected from the calculations and stuff I've been doing at work
so now my head is dead :p
trying to work out how much i can remove from the xubuntu install cd without making it useless
well.. it's useless when it doesn't boot anymore :)
keep removing stuff until it's useless, then put that last one back
Speaking of sheep ... snickers
combine the last 2 answers :)
yeah thats the theory im working on
[18:39:13] <SkinnYPuPp> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/crazy_4_ss/date-night.jpg
trying to build a smaller xubuntu emc install cd
does Xubuntu use the regular LiveCD or the alternative one?
got it to about 450 mb so far
I expect the alternate one is harder to tweak
iirc it still uses udeb's
i think the live cd is more usefull for trying emc out anyway
well.. when you have a Xubuntu LiveCD somewhere accessible, let me know
im aiming for about 300mb
I'll be interesting in giving it a spin ;)
you could take the server CD manifest
the Xubuntu manifest
my current dilema is wether to go with the tried and tested kernel in the emc live cd we have now
or use it as an opertunity to update
you're talking about 8.04 ?
humm.. might be interesting to update it.. but that means separate emc2 packages too
as they need to be built against the headers
and you'll have a bit of pain with lum, lrm, lbm and co
ill stick with what works :)
tho i will put the emc 2.2.6 package in
if you ever want to do it, prod me.. I'm usually around
sure, that's quite sane ;)
i already have a working version of it
so i know it works
its just a case of removing the excess stuff thats not needed
my theory behind it is that a machine with emc doesnt really need firefox, office suits and all that jazz
colin_: we've heard that theory before :P
colin_: I use the gcode quick reference constantly (I view it in firefox)
and if the live cd is more like 300mb it might make it more accessable for the mach3 brigade to try out
no pun intended..
* fragalot got a lockpick set
* fragalot == ftw
cradek, yeah ill admit its usefull for some things
maybe firefox isn't the best example
you won't hear me say I think the office suite is useful though
but openoffice or cd burning software might not be needed
luckily it's open source .. so everyone can shape it to his expectations :)
the ubuntu emc cd has almost everything you could need
that's why it's so accepted by people
alex_joni: by smart people*
and by keeping the changes we make to the ubuntu CD to a minimum, we also reduce the ammount of support we need to provide
doesnt mean a stripped down version isnt usefull for some
fragalot: not only :)
gives me somthing to do in work anyway ;)
there is/was a puppy based version
50-60MB or so
would be nice to have something that boots up straight into Axis, or the other one
for production machines
fragalot: once it's configured properly
but anyone can set that up :)
I just mean, no auxillary things like openoffice or whatever you don't use on there
you can have X run only a program
no menus or whatever
but then you need to take care of file transfer
should look into that someday
and lots of other things.. which don't need reinventing
like g-code editors & such
at least with a minimal xubuntu install its easy to add the stuff you want back into it with apt/synaptic ect
on that note.. good night all
we recently dropped DST .. so it's earlier than usually for me :)
yah clocks went back last night here
is that gaining or losing an hour
gaining I think
[20:12:25] <fragalot> http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3239/ricknu3.jpg
<-- alternative rickroll
im getting SAD already
i need to escape to somwhere sunny
lmao @ astly reserve
fragalot, damn you iv got that stupid song in my head now
do you play the game ?
if so you loose :)
colin_: you just lost the game.
and I just picked another lock. :p
that was the most un-epic game loss ever
who said losing had to be epic
how far away is the next emc release ?
miles from your house
your helpfull :P
colin_: 2.2.7 (the next bugfix release) is weeks but not months away, 2.3 (new features) is still off in the hazy future
jepler, thanks :)
much new stuff in 2.3 ?
yeah there's a lot of stuff in there
if you want to look at bugs that will be fixed in 2.2.7, look at the top part of this page: http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/debian/changelog?rev=184.108.40.206;content-type=text%2Fplain
and if you want to see a list of new featuers that we hope will be in 2.3, look at the top part of this page: http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/debian/changelog?rev=1.42;content-type=text%2Fplain
(wow that's a long list -- I just now looked at it myself)
wow thats a lot
is there a swedish translation for axis ?
Kohlswa: no, I don't believe there is.
is there any one working on one or is there a need for one ?
er, maybe there is
is "se" the code for swedish?
or sv i guess
se is for domains
there is an "se" translation, last updated 12/2006
msgid "Activate third axis"
msgstr "Aktivera tredje axeln"
jepp thats swedish allright
do you want to help us update it?
sure if its in need of it
hm it looks like "sv" is the correct letters -- "se" is for Northern Sami (what is that?)
there language is very different from swedish and the exsample you showed me was swedish
it would be great if you can review and help update this file... if you are not familiar with translating software on linux, there is some technical stuff to learn first, though.
unfortunately I can't stick around right now -- please send email to me (email@example.com) to remind me to send you the technical details and help you get started
that's great, thank you.
do you have ubuntu running in swedish now?
anyway, ttyl .. I have to go
take care then
hejsan Kohlswa ar du svensk?
ja, om du räknar skåningar
jag ar fran sverige men bor i usa nu
jag bodde in tidaholm nara skovde
ah, jag har studerat i usa,
what's strange is that I think I can more or less follow your conversation
that's what we *want* you to think ;-)
bork bork bork!
ugh i'm about to prostrate myself on lkml again... <donning asbestos underpands>
you're not asking for Vista compatibility or anything, are you?
swedish has its similarities with german and english so you should be able to decipher some of it
i think i could take a stab at it
i'm asking for a way to get structured config info into a driver at load-time (to replace the icky config="..." modparam in hostmot2 now)
seb_kuzminsky, va engar du dig åt i usa, bor du där permanent ?
jag har bott har sen 1989, jag jobbar pa universitetet har i boulder, colorado
do you like the USA.. is the move permant??
det ar darfor min svenska ar sa knagglig :-/
too bad your in an engineering school eh
dmess: i like it well enough here... i've got a family and little kids so we'll probably live here for many years still
seb_kuzminsky: fick du inte med dig ett riktigt tangentbord? :o)
so how was i doing??
dmess: pretty close ;-)
then how can you write the all important word "Räksmörgås" ?!?
like this: "Räksmörgås"
whats IT mean??
kaviar sandwich, approximately
ok... LOL ;)
cod sandwich anyone??
kaviar is caviar :o)
jag saknar kalles
räk = shrimp, smör = butter, gos = gose ;)
we don't eat much cod anymore thought :/
the baltic sea is nearly fished out of cod :(
(or how you phrase that in ingleesh)
so are our grand banks
just like that
yeah, hard to say which is worst :)
no cod or no economy...
sa inte jordbruksministern att han förvänta sig att vi skulle ha masor med fisk igen inom 5 år ?
well, they like to speak...
halibut is nearly gone... quotas dont warrent fishing gear in the water
but it has gotten better in parts of the baltic sea
we've rationed... and kept our boat off the banks but the sanish still show up and haul anything and everything..
seb_kuzminsky, you should be glad you havent seen kalles lately, thay have come up with some awfull mixes.
there latest hit: fresh cheese flavored with mashed bananas and mildly smoked kaviar
spanish nick everyones fish :(