Could anyone offer advice on how to get the floppy drive recognized after installing emc2 with the Ubuntu 8.04 install? It seems like necessary drivers were omitted from the CD to make room for emc.
I've never heard of a floppy drive not working
cradek, thanks. I've used the Ubuntu 8.04 / EMC2 iso to install to two different machines, and the floppy on both was not available after installation. The drives DO work, as a LiveCD of Ubuntu 8.04 DOES give access to them. I guess I'll ask around on the Ubuntu forums.
do you ever see an error?
hnc@hnc:~$ modinfo floppy
there is a floppy driver in the kernel
No, no errors as the drive is totally not available.
in what way is it totally not available? tell me what you see that's wrong
unfortunately my only 8.04 machine doesn't have a floppy
Well, I don't remember what I saw under the LiveCD, but if I look at places, the floppy is not listed.
at a shell type 'id' and see if you're in the floppy group
id does show "25 (floppy)
anyone else have a hardy/emc2 machine with floppy?
ok, that's good
The modinfo floppy does show results too. Would it be helpful if I posted them?
no I bet they match mine.
if you run 'modprobe floppy' what does it do?
err sorry, 'sudo modprobe floppy'
FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-rtai/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): Operation not permitted
is that with the sudo?
No, that was prior to sudo. Using sudo I got nothing back.
now type 'dmesg' and look at the last few lines
[ 4792.744855] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
[ 4792.762348] FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
does it show up in the gnome menu now?
Yes! Will is stay there after reboot?
I don't think so
does it work?
Okay. So how do I get it to persist?
does it work?
Yes, it does work.
carefully run 'echo floppy|sudo tee -a /etc/modules'
I think that will tell it to load at boot time
then I guess reboot/retry
I presume I leave off the single quotes and just type the characters between them, right?
Okay, I've typed it. I will give it a try. I'll have to log off as I'm typing from the same machine. Thanks a bunch. If this doesn't work, it's at least a step in the right direction.
you will come back and say whether it works?
[01:44:14] <cradek> http://backports.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=942047
here's someone else with the same problem, and someone proposed the same fix
Yes, I'll be back in a minute. Sorry it took so long, I was printing our conversation for future reference.
cradek, the floppy persisted. THANKS!
I don't know the cause, but we now know the fix
I've been trying to find anything on the newsgroups, but obviously didn't look in the right places. This is actually my dads machine, so he's been patiently waiting for me to get the floppy working for him.
I bet not many people are using floppies anymore. I wonder if this problem is specific to the emc2 kernel or not.
maybe someone with other kernels installed will see this question and let us know.
Well, when your 78, it's hard to change your ways. I thought he was doing well getting into Linux.
Thanks again for all of your help. I think I'll go home now.
I hear you're all gay
only some of us I'm sure
I'm pretty sure we aren't 100%
he's the one with "ga" in his hostname
what's it mean if I notice (and am surprised) he used the right "you're"?
hm, I've done exactly none of the project I hoped to do tonight
and it's 9pm...
I know that feeling
and its 10 here
cradek: saw an email about the same floppy problem with Ubuntu 8.10 on my local linux user group. I know it's not a RT kernel.
that's good to know, thanks
you're welcome, and good night.
how ya doin
* maddash is awake!
* maddash is EST!
fenn: chicago, IL?
brother was just in IU @ bloomington this summer
not quite =(
i forget why i did that, either way
toastydeath: NJ? you're EST too?
NJ is uh, 7 minutes to the border
delaware, birthplace of corporations
what i was suprised about
is that everything in DE
is all inside 5 minutes of driving
any service I need is right there
i suppose one could say that about most cities
yeah, but this isn't a city
which shocked me.
it's a city-state
regardless i wasn't expecting it
and it is a pleasant suprise!
doot doot doot i am going to get tested for a learning disability
toastydeath: so why, fellow EST-er, are you still awake?
because i always am awake at this hour
i hate going to bed, and i hate waking up
not in the nihilistic sense, just don't enjoy those things
no work? class? obligations?
class was today
but i was up to 5 last night
so a similar situation
i wind up sleeping when i get home from work a little
it's very chaotic
some days I am up 20-22 hrs, others i sleep twice or three times in small bursts, others i sleep 14-16 hrs
it's pretty cool because it gives my friends the impression i am always up
because there's no rhyme or reason to it
why are YOU up, mister
maddash: you can see my sleep trends on this activity log: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/sleepz/test.html
toastydeath: studying, dude.
toastydeath: I wish I had your stamina now. I used to, but then this depression crap sucked away my strength
fenn: how the heck did you make that? and what do the colors denote?
python, and years of obsessive notekeeping
blue is sleep, red is internet...
clear is categories that i havent assigned colors to yet
green = food, yellow = chatting with people or doing computery things like writing code
brown = douching?
that's "Dark Orange" mister!
gray = douching?
the brief period when i was on a "normal" schedule was a bike tour
omg, the blue keeps shifting -- uniformly, too. how do you know exactly when you fall asleep, and wake?
when i wake up, i usually lay around in bed for a little while, then when i get up i write in my log
it's not some EEG neuroscience stuff
WELL IT SHOULD BE
thanks for the idea!!!!
also maddash: i think i sleep like this because of work + crushing course loads
well not crushing when viewed individually
oh? how many?
but crushing when viewed in light of a 100 hr week
on top of a 40 hr week at work
haha. the units are credits, right?
this is my first semester where I'm only taking one class
maddash: i might have gotten the chart idea from http://www.supermemo.com/articles/sleepchart.htm
actually 100 hrs is a total overshoot
depending on homework
now I know my next pic32 project -- EEG!
haha have you ever taken an eeg
yes, I have
many times, whn I was young
if you get it working you'll have to wire a BRAIN/EMC INTERFACE
and become voltron
any newtypes here?
(any argument is immediately won by mentioning voltron)
actually, almost brilliant
oh. over 9000!
eh. something like that
i think gundam is a pretty cool guy eh is over 9000 an doesnt afraid of anything
[07:02:48] <toastydeath> http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/toastydeath/memes/paedobearboating.jpg
those memes will rot your brain you know
er, a bear on a boat?
maddash: don't worry, the man is just diseased.
don't want to know
crap, gotta study
[07:05:07] <toastydeath> http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/toastydeath/memes/inyourface.jpg
must stop salcking
must continue slacking
* fenn is currently reading http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Books/Meme%20Machine/Chapter%201.htm
advice toast says: don't study, make subprime loans
[07:06:31] <toastydeath> http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/toastydeath/memes/subversivedontrecycle.jpg
i can only consume memes
I AM BUT A MAN; THEY ARE NOT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND
how did someone write so much on a subject that is basically entirely comprised of lolcats
it's more than lolcats, it's basically entirety of human culture
science is ruining my lolcats
i'm so tired and my stomach hurts. oh gods.
now is the winter of your discount tent
why does your stomach hurt
maddash: studying at 3 am is counterproductive you know
unless you're naturally up at 3 am
does anyone like dirty electro house?
because here some is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jY-Dl1T_V8
i LIVE in a dirty electro house!
bzzt bzzt thump thump *female vocals* bzzt bzzt thump thump
great, now lets just hope we can't understand the lyrics at all
i can't understand a thing she's saying
i love this stuff
mr oizo, too
[07:15:48] <toastydeath> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGvNjHzSR2Q
and also the entire genere of dubstep
[07:20:29] <toastydeath> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVKboRPgu0U&feature=related
[07:21:33] <toastydeath> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he9RshNpd24&feature=related
oh my god
mst keep eyes open
I'd think "what if it crashes now" and it 'l do it
so hook up your agitation waves with the E-stop
so if you're aggitated about something unrelated, the machine should halt?
if you accidentally swing your hand into the Estop, should the machine halt?
"Hi guys, my CNC's not moving even though I've got everything set up correctly." "Are you in a calm state of mind?"
"No, if I don't machine these parts, my boss is going to fire me."
xD gotta run
"if you accidentally..." YES it should halt!
openoffice is so freakin' bloated that it takes less time to open a PDF than a DOC
reading the PDF with evince
this is so screwed up
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-10-23.txt
is there a standard kind of plot that exaggerates values near the minimum and maximum, while compressing ones in the middle? The kind of graph I have in mind would make the logistic curve look like a straight line. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function
cradek_ is now known as cradek
jepler: excel allows you to do such a thing,..
jepler: wont gplot do it?
anonimasu: possibly, but I'm not sure what it's called
how would a logarithmic curve do?
anonimasu: don't you mean exponential?
a log plot exaggerates small values and compresses large values
it makes an exponential curve look like a straight line
that's related to what I want but not quite it
can't have it all :p
gotta go, cya
Hello Chaps... Can't stay long but is there an equivlent of the Mesa 7i43 board available in the UK. I contacted Mesa but they do accept paypal only credit cards of which I cut up long ago ;-)
Paragon: how do you use paypal without a credit card?
Ooops Do NOT accept Paypal ....
Debit Card or bank account
debit card should work
oh what archivist said
Here in the UK I have a Maestro / Switch debit card but I think Mesa only accept credit card such as Visa etc
some debits are in visa/mastercard org
Dont think this one is. It's a Natwest debit Card
I just looked at and there is no Visa / mastercard symbol on it.
jon elson has boards that provide similar functions to 7i43 (also parport, also work with emc) and I see he has a paypal option on his website. http://jelinux.pico-systems.com/motion.html
mesanet.com's website says they accept payment by methods including "money order or by wiring funds". have you e-mailed them and established that there's not an acceptable payment method?
Ill take a look. Pity about the exchange rate and sterling falling though ;-)
not for us :)
maybe someday I'll be able to afford travel to europe again
$30 for wire transfer :-(
if the oil doesn't run out first
LOL ... Yep hand up we have had it good as far as exchange rates go ...
we could almost do with a stockist over here
drill baby drill?
archivist: maybe we could offer our services for UK distribution ;-)
I wish I had capital to play properly
which reminds me to reply to someone who wants to buy IC's I have
:-) ... Ok gotta go catch my train...
Central London > Bexley ...
Swad to Burton :) easy
when I didn't have any money I had time to play :)
Im waiting for the redundancy moneyz
what is redundancy money?
when you get laid off
dunno what its called over there
I thought that was .gov money over there
nope it's my money... the gov takes it from me and gives it to welfare people
over here thats national insurance, also does medical, redundancy pay is from the company
they have to pay you to kick you out
I think the right name for that is "unemployment insurance" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_insurance#United_States
sometimes companies pay extra above and beyond that, particularly in the case of unionized workers
for us redundancy pay is a lump sum on exit the employer has to pay (he can pay extra if he wishes)
hm I don't think there's anything quite like that over here
so if thrown out the door you get nothing?
2 weeks right ?
over here its x weeks pay for n years worked
archivist: yeah basically
hmm you keep some savings then :(
If your fired for just cause (you were a bad boy) you get nothing... if your let go you can collect a weekly compensation for a period of time the amount a time depend on the state...
just shy :P
Alex09: people usually ask questions in here, and sometimes they even get answers
sometimes they are even the right answers :P
and then SOMETIMES
there are messages from BEYOND THE GRAAAAVE
they're mostly lolcats memes, though
i can has cheezburger
mMmmm Mazatrol http://tinyurl.com/6z5k7l
user_ is now known as SkinnYPuP
nice design u got
do you know where i could fine about 'how to compile using QT'
? is Axis using QT on design?
QT under linux
emc2 as it is doesn't use any Qt
well it should
what is the different on EMC2 and Axis
AXIS is part of emc2
AXIS is teh GUI (Graphical User INterface) to emc2
AXIS is one of the GUIs available
but AXIS is written in python with Tk as the toolkit
not in Qt..
there are other GUI's available: tkemc, mini (both in tcl/tk), xemc (native Xlibs), keystick (text based), etc
I with there was a way to make C# bind to libnml and libhal
how they could be joined together? using pyton ..correct me?
Alex9: the thing that glues the GUI's together with emc2 is called NML
NML... could u tell me more bout them?
the older EMC (BDI) required RTAI... where are they on EMC2 ?
sorry about my rude/lame question
Network Management Layer (TMN)? my PC do not have Network, could it be done without Network?
eh...sorry, wrong posting
Whatcha trying to do ?
study on EMC2
NML is a library for doing IPC
over a network or locally
<i record this to my note>
Put this in the google looks like some good reading NML site:linuxcnc.org
<bad screen on me> C# bind to libnml and libhal... so, EMC2 using C#
<i ll surf it>
it's not using c#
it's using Python and a library to bing to libnml and libhal
i have difficulty to understand IPC, could u help me in 'short fine knowledge'
messaging between applications
where i could fine where it(IPC & NML) contain on EMC2 source? like *.log kind off
do you know knowledge on how to recompile already installed EMC2 ? what is the conseqncy to do so? crash?
there is a guide on how to do it in the wiki at www.linuxcnc.org
Alex9: the directory.map file I mentioned to you yesterday shows which directories in the emc2 source code are concerned with nml
Alex9: when done correctly, compiling emc yourself gives a package that works identically in every way to the precompiled version.
can EMC2 installed on other Linux distribution, what additional dependency required?
yes, and of course it depends on which dependencies that distribution doesn't have
From what I hear - the hardest part it making the realtime kernel
I've linked to this wiki page many times, but it seems you still have not read it: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Preparing_other_versions_of_Linux_to_compile_emc2
it does seem like I've heard many of these questions recently
the general requirements for emc are on that page, as well as specific ways to satisfy those requirements on various systems
sorry, my program downloaded it right now, i can read it as soon as i get off from expensive internet, since that, i mining all/any information i could get. to cross refference it, rather than from 1 source
so, your comment for me, i consider very important
hi too, for humanity.
like the emc software itself, the documentation is improved by contributions. If you find that the documentation about dependencies for emc2 is not good enough, then improve the documentation as you are able to answer the questions for yourself. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BasicSteps
i would like to, if i could do so..
so, ubuntu have RTAI already installed ?
Alex9: if you install Ubuntu from the EMC2 live CD it has RTAI; if you install Ubuntu from any other source it doesnt
u mean: http://au.releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
has no RTAI?
but you can add it yourself by following the instructions on the wiki
i already download it and almost finish, what should i do to fix it
dl the emc2 live cd or install rtai on the ubuntu cd you're downloading now
judging from your questions I suggest you download the emc2 livecd
i agree with anonimasu :-P
becasue compiling RTAI is not trivial
emc2 livecd has the same amount with that... 690MB !
seb_kuzminsky: agreed ^_^
IF, just IF i choose to unstall RTAI... what stepS should i take?
step 1: read the wiki
[19:14:10] <anonimasu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J7m7Y1evgQ&NR=1
spindle motor ^_^
* seb_kuzminsky expects sssssKPOP! ^^^^^
i've been listening to this music a lot lately: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-azvIwldYg
[19:38:25] <SkinnYPuP> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQMwimh8QdI
interesting vid to set that song to i must say
"duck and cover" ... for an ATOMIC BOMB
as if thats going to help
no joke !!! lol
witch file on EMC2 to execute G-Code?
did you read through the wiki?
[20:02:34] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGF07oVkl6M
creative movie maker
looks like made by flash... hardy also
Alex9: that file directory.map I referred to you earlier says which source directory contains the g-code interpreter.
i gonna look it up
[20:51:39] <anonimasu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGYNiidL1I&feature=related
[20:54:41] <LawrenceG> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250311253299
... nobody bid.... wonder what table and saddle shake is?
toastydeath, toastatwork: wake up
[20:58:37] <Alex9> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGYNiidL1I&feature=related
....mean hardware RTAI
i am at work, no audio/video
hm.. that sucks.. save it for later..
it's a voicecoil stage
Alex9: no, that's just a show of some really cool motors
BUT I AM GOING HOEM NAO
LawrenceG: I would guess shake means looseness in the ways/gibs
LawrenceG: this machine has tapered gibs to adjust that, but you'll surely find that it's more worn in the center of travel and can't be adjusted to be equally snug everywhere
the travel quoted is bogus - the real travel is around 12x18
to me it looks not-at-all abused, and not overly worn
does any one know, good 'much lower in price' linear-scale-encoder on market? (brand)
i wonder how they manage to carry a very long linear-scale-encoder...
rather than rotary-encoder
uh.. a linear encoder is linear..
price per meter...right, per it scale, i mean
compare to other brand
what, brand of linar scales?
cradek, yea... looks not bad... love the paper tape reels
cradek, is that semecircle missing from the table supposed to be there?.... looks like no holes drilled in the table... probably used with a vice its whole life
a tape... its gave me an idea
home made encoder... it would wear off
[21:23:30] <jepler> http://members.shaw.ca/swstuff/spindle-encoder.html
wtf? a professor who refuses to admit the facts?
argh damn keyboard focus
what if i try to recompile EMC2 on CoolCNC(PuppyLinux) ...what would i need to do so? what other dependencies should i install...
Alex9, Do you have experience compiling?
what exacly RS232 do/transmit on EMC2 ? instead LPT1 port output
Alex9: did you read through the wiki?
compile on linux...nop exacly, always end up mess
Serial is not really used with EMC2
Then I wouldn't try porting the current emc2 to puppy.
wiki yup... still mess on dependency error
I'd get used to it running on a ubuntu stock install first.
last time: kind of *.o,*.c,*.h missing files
c and h files I have a hard time beliving
O files is more probably that they are missing
since you cant build o files, unless you have the proper dependencies
so much string...i could write it down on papper since no copy-paste on terminal ...no *.log ?
I'd suggest you grab the livecd, if you want it working
do you have a realtime kernel?
there are various ways in linux to record the output of commands. to find out how, search the internet for terms like this: save output of make
the first hit looks very promising: "How to save screen output to a text file ? - Linux Forums" http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/suse-linux-help/111809-how-save-screen-output-text-file.html
bash/terminal keep scrool down left me on confuse on whats goin on, & what i do wrong
Alex9: do you have a realtime kernel(RTAI installed)
wiki say, you would do fine and smooth
RTAI ...also has dependency that left me in a mess scrolled error
i feel like playing jack pot here
well, that's true, you are doing random things in random order
that why i manage ghost
compiling emc on a normal system is not trivial
we *know* that this is very difficult, particularly for a new user of linux. *that is why we provide a ready-to-install cdrom image*. you would do well to heed the advice of people like rayh who recommend that you use it.
(thats great it, likes is embarresing to ask)
getting all dependencies takes quite a bit of work and that is the nontrivial part
and you might end up having to compile them too, if your distribution dosent have a package system
yes i use it already...
then you have RTAI which is hard for people that know what they are doing
but i curious about linux programming special in EMC2
If you install the livecd you can grab the development packages and compile your own emc very easily
i never seen these on my good old delphi/pascal
hmm...yes a good to try
*.dll files on what? windows /delphi yes
lewin1 is now known as lewing
what up with *.dll
nothing, 00:02 < Alex9> i never seen these on my good old delphi/pascal
what did i do?
I think anonimasu means to say that windows has dependency issues too, you have just learned effective ways to deal with them and don't notice them much
i have a confession to make: i think using a PC LPx to control a CNC is clunky...I'm falling out of love with emc
maddash: you're breaking up with us?
maddash: does this mean we're not going to the movies on friday?
jepler: it's not you, it's me
maddash: well, order a mesa card..
but on delphi it recorded, & i can scrool it and fix the first problem encounter *.*
one by one
when I have time, I'll work on a stepgen/tp on my pic
* anonimasu sighs
Alex9: linux also has IDEs that work like this. the terminal is not an IDE. If you want one, you should install one.
(I hate IDEs so I can't suggest any to you by name .. maybe someone else can, though)
eclipse has plugins for most languages/etc
IDE... thats would be cool, name please..
maddash: make sure to release it under a free software license
jepler: i'll source it to you guys as soon as II have it
(what I'd love is a library that encourages "hal-like" thinking on microcontrollers--threads, pins, signals)
hal-like ...what mean?
what micro u suggest?
[21:53:57] <jepler> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal_intro.html
oh personally I favor any microcontroller that can be programmed in C
in soviet america, C favors YOU
jepler: pics use gcc
SWPadnos: see that? jepler likes the pic too!
all use gcc
maddash: gcc? or some other C compiler such as sdcc?
sdcc is history, i guess
(the google summary of the first hit for 'pic gcc' says that "there is no GCC port for PICs and it is not likely that one will ever exist."
good thing for PIC is, Low Voltage u got
jepler: "gcc pic32" : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=gcc+pic32&btnG=Search
gpl compiler, non-gpl libs unfortunately
very low voltage
maddash: I see (but pic32 is about as related to pic as it is to 6502, as near as I can tell)
compiler on em
jepler: you're probably right, but I haven't a clue because pic32 is my first "pic."
allrigt PIC to vote
jepler: actually, you're very right. traditional PICs are Harvard architecture, while the PIC32 is more akin to von Neumann type
btw.what PIC series u like to deal?
Alex9: me? the 32-bit version seems quite nice
ah but there's a debian port to avr32 http://avr32.debian.net/
(actually it doesn't look like they've gotten very far yet)
put a microblaze on the spartan3 on the 5i20 and run petalinux on it
we're running petalinux on the spartan3 eval board here at work, haven't tried it on the 5i20 yet ;-)
I don't understand this obsession with porting ENTIRE OSes to MICROcontrollers...
hm, it seems to me like you are very much into porting almost entire oses to them..
any one know why linux first boot are very long...? why not be in 1 zipped on Buffer-image-Files
but, but, ... but you CAN!
Alex9: because everyone who worked on linux is dumber than you .. total idiots
explain opinion please
I see that there are two possibilities: (A) that you are smarter than all linux developers, or (B) that there are a series of technical requirements that you and I may not be aware of that make linux take more than 1 second to boot
all i know is first-Boot = absenzing every device on PC again
* seb_kuzminsky thinks LawrenceG has the right idea here...
get along kids
or dads gonna bring out the belt
hahaha.. :)) greatz to all guys
made the world better and better
hey? so quiet?
because dmess threatened us with the belt again
wow, the AT32AP7000 is hardcore: 150MHz/210DMIPS uc , 50kHz 16-bit DAC, 160 GPIO
wow. just wow. I wish these things came in plug-in modules.
maddash: yes but will it run Windows XP in a virtual machine running on Linux?
and if so how do I compile emc2 for windows xp for it?
?if answer needed <jepler>... <C> people in curious..
imho. virtual machine is very HEAVY... for specialy my computer to run
Alex9: he was being HEAVILY sarcastic
why not run it on 2 COMPUTER..
if u see 'Broken Array' movie
i mean "Broken Arrow" john-travolta,
good guys do hack stuff
designing computer viruses
bla bla bla
computer is not superman, could not do all in 1 same machine
split it to do split job
ok, i do wrong again... pardon me
does any 1 know about EDM?
string EDM can cut strong metal
imho, if u can design computer viruses, u would ot have dificulty in designing microprocessor program
1 that link them is they design on same low level langguage
so computer virus is an art-study, using it might be a criminal
imagine it as a minimum required program to live, efective & eficienly
Keep It Simple Stupid
huge & a lot of application active on Linux desktop burdan RTAI job, tru?
i ve seen "There is no mercy" move once, hehe
sometimes a man called:Evil and a Girl called:Heaven, i sometime confuse, why i ve seen the Evil keeps in-and-out Heaven over-and-over...
( a joke )
when a man outing gas from his butt on a bus, english-guy says:'pardon me..', american says:'iam sorry..', mycountry-guys says:'...not me, not me...'
i have just been thrust into the bigest bee-hive of my carreer