#emc | Logs for 2008-10-16

[00:16:51] <spasticteapot> I may have asked this before, but is there a place online that sells cheaply the bits that go in a lathe?
[00:16:57] <spasticteapot> The cutting thingies.
[00:17:11] <spasticteapot> Also, are you supposed to grind these yourselves, or are they pre-ground?
[00:18:26] <fenn> you can buy pre-ground carbide bits, but it's better to get HSS blanks and grind them
[00:21:21] <spasticteapot> Where should I buy these?
[00:21:33] <spasticteapot> And ccan you re-grind them or does the tempering go after a while?
[00:22:47] <toastydeath> you can buy them from msc
[00:22:51] <fenn> well, supposedly you can grind HSS red hot and not affect the temper, but i try not to do that
[00:22:59] <toastydeath> and the temper stays unless you burn them
[00:23:08] <toastydeath> then you have to grind out the discoloration
[00:23:13] <fenn> don't put water on it when you grind at least
[00:23:37] <fenn> enco had bits on sale, lemme see
[00:23:54] <fenn> what size shank?
[00:24:47] <fenn> hm anyway this should be about right: http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=383-5224&PMPXNO=942328&PARTPG=INLMK32
[00:26:09] <fenn> or http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PARTPG=INLMKD&PMPXNO=940667&PMAKA=383-5324
[00:27:41] <spasticteapot> That's pleasantly cheap.
[00:30:49] <toastydeath> spasticteapot:
[00:30:53] <toastydeath> you need to know what size, though
[00:31:56] <spasticteapot> Eh.
[00:31:59] <spasticteapot> They're all pretty cheap.
[00:32:29] <toastydeath> indeed, but you don't want to buy a 3/8" shank the toolpost would most enjoy a 3/4"
[00:32:37] <toastydeath> and the inverse, as well
[00:32:55] <spasticteapot> I'll vheck it out before ordering.
[01:33:54] <dmess> muriatic acid dip gets rid of the burn marks in HSS
[01:39:04] <fenn> who cares what it looks like
[02:21:31] <cradek> fenn: first thing I had to do was convert cxf2cnc to inches :-)
[02:21:41] <cradek> gr, wrong channel
[06:01:29] <Guest696> hello, I am a first time user and I am having difficulty getting EMC to run on my computer. I have an error file that EMC generated - is there anyone I can send it to that may be able to look at it and help me out ? This is the 3rd computer that I've tried to run EMC on and it always kicks me out after I select the generic PWM seletion.
[11:10:51] <piasdom> g'morning
[11:12:04] <piasdom> i'm trying to set my resolution(again)..when i run displayconfig-gtk...it doesn't save my changes
[11:13:39] <piasdom> and when it starts..i get fatal: Module battery not found
[11:15:48] <archivist> probably #ubuntu is better for operating system problems
[11:16:40] <archivist> I use the menu programs to set resolution etc
[11:17:05] <archivist> system/preferences/screen resolution
[11:18:35] <piasdom> that just gives me two options...640x480 and 1280x1024
[11:19:12] <piasdom> it's set at 1280 and it's look like 640
[11:19:49] <piasdom> i have to move my cursor to the edge of the screen to move the desktop
[11:20:11] <archivist> then it is not set to 1280
[11:21:58] <archivist> or desktop is set larger
[11:22:29] <piasdom> do you know why in the terminal after i start displayconfig...i get 'fatal:module battery not found' ?
[11:22:50] <archivist> no idea
[11:22:51] <piasdom> desktop larger ? ...can i change that /
[11:23:31] <archivist> like I said I use the graphic setup not the ones in terminal
[11:23:56] <piasdom> i don't see an option to change the desktop
[11:24:18] <archivist> often in Linux systems its not a good idea to use multiple setup systems, they conflict
[11:25:03] <piasdom> ohoh...so i have multiple setups ?
[11:25:30] <piasdom> you're saying terminal and preferances
[11:25:47] <archivist> no what Im saying that, terminal v graphics setup program
[11:25:48] <cr-_-> battery is part of acpi maybe you have an app witch use it
[11:26:20] <piasdom> don't know acpi
[11:26:28] <cr-_-> and rtai kernel doesn't have acpi
[11:28:58] <piasdom> how do i get out of this acpi ?(don't know if i do have)
[11:30:01] <piasdom> i just installed ubuntu 8.04 and been having these problems
[11:30:47] <cr-_-> ubuntu 8.04 from the emc live cd ?
[11:31:56] <piasdom> D***
[11:33:03] <piasdom> whenever i go to system,preferences,screensaver i get logged off
[11:33:21] <archivist> use xchat
[11:33:39] <piasdom> in a terninal ?
[11:33:55] <archivist> no
[11:34:32] <piasdom> archivist..i appreciate your help
[11:34:47] <cr-_-> ubuntu 8.04 from the emc live cd ?
[11:34:52] <piasdom> xchat is not installed
[11:34:58] <piasdom> yes
[11:35:27] <cr-_-> you can get acpi by running an official kernel
[11:35:53] <piasdom> don't know how
[11:35:57] <archivist> xchat can also have your favourite channels and sign on for you
[11:36:00] <alex_joni> piasdom: teh battery message you can disregard
[11:36:05] <alex_joni> it's not important
[11:36:18] <piasdom> alex:thank you
[11:36:22] <alex_joni> piasdom: can you say again what the problem is?
[11:36:54] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wasn't following..
[11:37:00] <archivist> his desktop size and screen resolution
[11:37:09] <alex_joni> archivist: I'd rather he says it :)
[11:37:29] <piasdom> alex:thank you
[11:38:02] <piasdom> my desktop is bigger then my screen
[11:38:37] <piasdom> i have to move the curor to the egde to move the desktop
[11:39:06] <piasdom> and running displayconfig doesn't get saved
[11:39:29] <cr-_-> you can try xrandr in a term
[11:39:50] <piasdom> archivist:thanks for xghat
[11:40:01] <piasdom> cr:i'll try
[11:40:33] <cr-_-> i don't have time to explain it, I must go to the university
[11:41:13] <piasdom> cr: thanks
[11:41:29] <alex_joni> piasdom: any ideas what the sizes are?
[11:42:00] <piasdom> it's says 1280x1024 current after running xrandr
[11:42:26] <alex_joni> ok, so probably it didn't detect your monitor as 1280x1024
[11:42:34] <piasdom> deafult connected 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[11:42:41] <alex_joni> did you install using another monitor?
[11:42:52] <piasdom> same monitor
[11:43:04] <piasdom> nothing changed but the new install
[11:43:06] <alex_joni> try pressing ctrl+alt+'+'
[11:43:24] <alex_joni> (if that gives you an odd resolution, hit it again until you are at a proper one)
[11:43:55] <piasdom> doesn't do anything
[11:44:10] <alex_joni> ok
[11:44:29] <alex_joni> try going to : system->Preferences->Screen resolution
[11:44:47] <piasdom> when i do that...i get logged off
[11:44:56] <piasdom> kicks me right out
[11:45:49] <anonimasu> wow
[11:45:53] <anonimasu> that's odd
[11:46:16] <archivist> kick out of what
[11:46:25] <piasdom> yea...scared the h*** out of me the first time :)
[11:46:34] <piasdom> have to login again
[11:46:46] <piasdom> closes the session
[11:47:12] <archivist> sesssion of what
[11:47:31] <piasdom> and the login screen is too big and i can't move it..i just type my name and pass
[11:48:00] <piasdom> everything shuts down
[11:48:13] <piasdom> an di get a login screen
[11:48:15] <archivist> X shutting down?
[11:48:25] <piasdom> i guess...
[11:48:48] <piasdom> all i know is i login and nothing is running
[11:49:52] <piasdom> think i should try dl'ing another copy of ubuntu ?
[11:50:22] <archivist> hmm google that symptom
[11:50:32] <piasdom> k
[12:03:02] <piasdom> how can i find what i'm running ....edgy?
[12:07:48] <piasdom> found it
[12:08:30] <alex_joni> hardy
[12:09:00] <alex_joni> that is odd.. never seen that
[12:09:18] <piasdom> it must me me :)
[12:09:44] <alex_joni> I can't imagine what you can do wrong to cause that :)
[12:11:35] <piasdom> so i'm using hardy ?
[12:11:44] <piasdom> thought i found it
[12:11:59] <alex_joni> you're using Ubuntu hardy heron 8.04
[12:12:18] <alex_joni> but some comment that is true in edgy might apply
[12:12:19] <piasdom> that's the lastest stable ?
[12:12:26] <alex_joni> yes
[12:12:32] <piasdom> k
[12:12:33] <alex_joni> although in ubuntu it's not called stable
[12:12:45] <alex_joni> debian has names like stable, testing ...
[12:12:51] <alex_joni> and edgy..
[12:13:08] <alex_joni> (Ubuntu is derived from Debian, so the solutions you find might just work)
[12:13:19] <piasdom> ok
[12:13:44] <piasdom> i'm thinking of try to dl another copy and try again
[12:14:34] <alex_joni> won't help much I bet
[12:14:53] <alex_joni> this ain't windows.. if it doesn't work teh first time, there is no reason for it to work the second time
[12:14:58] <alex_joni> or after a reboot for that matter
[12:15:08] <alex_joni> try following these advices: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=817142
[12:16:16] <piasdom> thanks
[12:16:58] <alex_joni> back up any valuable stuff first
[12:19:54] <archivist> and also read this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[13:13:27] <piasdom> is there any difference between hardy and drake ?
[16:43:56] <piasdom> i ran stepconf and think i got the mill working right.when i start mymill i get an error listed at http://paste.org/index.php?id=4043
[16:44:16] <piasdom> 49 pages :(
[16:52:20] <fragalot> lol.
[16:52:52] <fragalot> I think you have done the install twice
[16:53:04] <fragalot> it's complaining about duplicate files
[16:53:30] <archivist> already running?
[16:53:50] <piasdom> oh...where are the mymill files...i'll go delete
[16:53:54] <archivist> stop stepconf before running axis
[16:54:01] <piasdom> no not running now
[16:55:38] <piasdom> where does it store the mymill file ?
[16:57:09] <piasdom> i did go thru the conf a number of time...don't it overwrite ?
[16:57:16] <archivist> I dont expect a problem with them
[16:57:39] <piasdom> let me try a reboot
[16:57:52] <piasdom> need to anyway
[16:57:57] <archivist> nooo reboot is for windaz
[16:58:06] <piasdom> hhahahhah
[16:58:07] <piasdom> ok
[16:58:32] <piasdom> but i did an update and it says i need reboot
[16:59:00] <fragalot> ubuntu is just as windowsy as.. windows
[16:59:00] <fragalot> :p
[16:59:07] <fragalot> my systems only reboot if i get a new kernel :o
[16:59:46] <piasdom> don't see much diff...except for the terminal stuff
[16:59:53] <piasdom> what do you have ?
[16:59:55] <anonimasu> lol
[17:00:02] <anonimasu> same as you, probably
[17:00:15] <piasdom> ubuntu 8.04
[17:00:29] <fragalot> Gentoo \o/
[17:00:56] <piasdom> well,brb and thanks
[17:01:19] <archivist> there was a kernel update yesterday (/me not rebooted yet)
[17:02:17] <fragalot> obviously, you reboot whenever you want to
[17:03:03] <archivist> not often :)
[17:07:26] <fragalot> :p
[17:07:34] <fragalot> omg I can't believe I forgot to pick up a parallel cable
[17:07:36] <fragalot> CRUD
[17:07:36] <fragalot> :p
[17:07:38] <fragalot> bbl
[17:44:51] <piasdom> after i rebooted,i got into axis...when i turn it on i get joint 0 and joint2 om limit switch error...what's that?
[17:45:21] <anonimasu> piasdom: do yo have limit switches?
[17:45:27] <piasdom> no
[17:46:21] <anonimasu> then you need to disable limit switches
[17:46:22] <piasdom> and it's on 0 and 2 not 1(guessing 1 is y)
[17:46:34] <piasdom> in stepconf ?
[17:46:39] <anonimasu> if there's such a option es
[17:46:40] <anonimasu> yes
[17:46:46] <anonimasu> ( I never used stepconf)
[17:47:01] <piasdom> thanks...don't remember one but will look
[17:48:35] <piasdom> no option to set limit switch...where do you set limit anonimasu ?
[17:49:10] <skunkworks> there is - set the pins that are limit switches to not connected (or whatever the optoin is)
[17:49:39] <anonimasu> :)
[17:50:09] <piasdom> in what ?
[17:51:10] <anonimasu> stepconf I assume he's talking about
[17:51:32] <piasdom> it's not in stepconf that i can see
[17:51:35] <fragalot> Who needs limit switches anyway. *cough*
[17:51:45] <anonimasu> lol
[17:52:01] <piasdom> i don't have any
[17:52:08] <fragalot> My rig won't have any mainly because it's not strong enough to do any damage anyhow :p
[17:52:25] <fragalot> that, and I have lots of play in the work area
[17:54:58] <piasdom> i looked at emc status and it shows limit at 3 0 3
[17:57:16] <SWPadnos> piasdom, input/output settings are on the page titled "Parallel Port Setup"
[17:57:48] <piasdom> in stepconf ?
[17:57:49] <SWPadnos> If your machine doesn't have something (like limit or home switches), then make sure that no inputs are configured for those functions
[17:57:51] <SWPadnos> yes
[17:57:58] <piasdom> ok thanks
[17:58:24] <SWPadnos> stepconf helps you to set up configurations fro simple machines, EMC2 is what runs the machine. they're different programs, used at different times
[17:58:48] <SWPadnos> whenever we talk about setup, we're talking about stepconf (or a text editor) to manage the configuration of EMC2
[17:59:05] <SWPadnos> regarding some of the other questions you've had (on the user list):
[17:59:34] <SWPadnos> 1) there's only one scale variable in stepgen-created configurations (called SCALE)
[17:59:43] <SWPadnos> no INPUT_SCALE or OUTPUT_SCALE
[18:00:27] <SWPadnos> the number used is calculated from information you enter into stepconf, such as gear ratios, screw thread pitch, and microstepping settings on your motor driver
[18:00:34] <piasdom> i'm in stepconf now and looking at port setup
[18:00:55] <fragalot> SWPadnos: since you have all the answers: why isn't there anything good on tv?
[18:01:08] <SWPadnos> 2) stepconf will not create a configuration for you out of thin air - it knows nothing about your hardware. you have to enter accurate and meaningful data to get a usable config
[18:01:10] <piasdom> do i change the direction of x and z ?
[18:01:26] <fragalot> piasdom: do you see something about "limit switches" ?
[18:01:38] <fragalot> if so, set those to "not connected"é
[18:01:38] <piasdom> no
[18:01:45] <fragalot> hold on, lemme power my machine up
[18:01:53] <SWPadnos> fragalot, because of the consolidation of ownership of the multitude of stations, and a desire by the ruling class to provide us with "bread and circuses" so we don't notice we're being drived to our doom
[18:01:55] <piasdom> pins 1 to 15
[18:02:03] <SWPadnos> driven
[18:02:23] <fragalot> SWPadnos: my god, you really DO have all the answers >.>
[18:02:26] <SWPadnos> piasdom, you only need to change the direction if the axes move in the wrong direction
[18:02:29] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:02:32] <piasdom> k
[18:02:33] <fragalot> What is my purpose in life?
[18:02:38] <SWPadnos> none
[18:02:39] <alex_joni> none
[18:02:42] <fragalot> and don't you dare to say "42"
[18:02:58] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:02:59] <piasdom> i do have both limit and home xyza
[18:03:01] <alex_joni> nah.. that's the answer to life, the universe and everything
[18:03:01] <SWPadnos> err, I mean, to invent a flying car that uses clean antigravity technology
[18:03:16] <alex_joni> a single person don't count
[18:03:24] <fragalot> piasdom: That's the one
[18:03:28] <piasdom> k
[18:03:53] <fragalot> * fragalot powers his machine down again >.>
[18:05:31] <fragalot> I should probably hook a mouse up to make m y life easier :p
[18:06:02] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:06:57] <fragalot> stupid thing
[18:07:01] <fragalot> it doesn't halt on it's own
[18:07:18] <fragalot> and if i push the power button, it keeps on blinking till I either reset it, or pull the plug
[18:07:57] <SWPadnos> piasdom, the thing that may be a confusion here is that stepconf is not telling you about your machine, it's asking you about it, but has some defaults entered already
[18:08:04] <alex_joni> you can keep the button pushed for 4s to power it down
[18:08:06] <SWPadnos> you have to change those defaults to match your setup
[18:08:13] <alex_joni> all of them
[18:08:24] <fragalot> alex_joni: thats what I'm doing >.>
[18:08:41] <alex_joni> fragalot: the RT kernel has ACPI disabled
[18:08:52] <alex_joni> which thus disables the nice shutdown
[18:08:59] <fragalot> ah
[18:09:01] <fragalot> lame :p
[18:09:10] <fragalot> atm i'm powering it down nicely, and then holding the button.
[18:09:28] <alex_joni> well.. the alternative is probably missing steps during running the machine
[18:09:31] <anonimasu> hm, compile acpi as module ;)
[18:09:35] <piasdom> SWPadnos: ok . i need to find out what the pins are doing
[18:09:38] <anonimasu> and insert when you are shutting down :p
[18:09:40] <alex_joni> anonimasu: not an option
[18:09:41] <SWPadnos> yep :)
[18:09:49] <anonimasu> alex_joni: why not?
[18:09:50] <anonimasu> :p
[18:09:56] <alex_joni> some ACPI parts can't be compiled as a module
[18:10:09] <alex_joni> you need to have them in the kernel to load other ACPI modules
[18:10:11] <alex_joni> iirc..
[18:10:22] <anonimasu> I wonder if you can call the ACPI shutdown thing somehow anyway
[18:10:42] <anonimasu> (just curious)
[18:11:41] <fragalot> you could short certain pins of the cpu at specific times by hand..
[18:11:52] <fragalot> but it's tricky to do that fast enough
[18:11:59] <fragalot> needs to be just right, y'know...
[18:12:24] <anonimasu> that's like intecepting electrons you dont want on the bus..
[18:12:34] <fragalot> Nice comparison
[18:16:16] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/ampmessagain.jpg
[18:17:37] <alex_joni> skunkworks: the motor shaft should be blurry in the picture
[18:17:48] <fragalot> alex_joni: why should it?
[18:17:59] <fragalot> if it's not blurry, it's because it's perfectly aligned. :p
[18:18:15] <BigJohnT> fast shutter
[18:18:24] <fragalot> that too
[18:18:30] <skunkworks> you can see the red led is lit. (disabled)
[18:18:34] <fragalot> my scope can't measure the steps,.. 'cos it's lame.
[18:18:55] <skunkworks> or maybe it isn't that clear ;)
[18:19:58] <fragalot> it's a handheld digital scope with only one input. Need I say more?
[18:20:00] <fragalot> :p
[18:20:56] <SWPadnos> a LogicDart?
[18:21:09] <SWPadnos> or is that 1 working input?
[18:21:44] <fragalot> it's from velleman
[18:22:08] <fragalot> velleman PPS10
[18:23:34] <fragalot> http://omploader.org/vbXg1
[18:23:35] <SWPadnos> oh. cool looking unit (slow but cool :) )
[18:23:50] <fragalot> looks aren't everything, sadly
[18:24:07] <alex_joni> depends what your plans with it are
[18:24:24] <fragalot> I found out that i can't do anything with it if it goes above 5kHz
[18:24:31] <SWPadnos> it's plenty for looking at a single parport pin, for example :)
[18:24:34] <fragalot> and it's fairly useless for analog signals.
[18:24:38] <fragalot> SWPadnos: no,.. it's not.
[18:24:41] <SWPadnos> bummer
[18:24:57] <fragalot> it shows approx 1 spike, 1 px wide,.. every 20 seconds or so..
[18:25:19] <SWPadnos> oh, is the triggering not so good?
[18:25:20] <fragalot> I wish i had kept my money and bought a used analog scope
[18:25:31] <fragalot> SWPadnos: it's digital,.. slow sampling rate
[18:25:53] <SWPadnos> 10 MHz is fast enough for a parport, in theory (the parport can't change mor ethan ~1 million times a second)
[18:26:03] <fragalot> SWPadnos: no, it's 2Mhz
[18:26:11] <SWPadnos> 2 MHz bandwidth, 10MSPS
[18:26:21] <SWPadnos> still enough (in theory) for a 500 kHz signal
[18:26:26] <piasdom> think i got something, but when i run a program.it says it will exceed limits x.25 y.125 these are correct
[18:26:27] <fragalot> in theory.
[18:26:39] <fragalot> Those are soft limits
[18:26:54] <SWPadnos> piasdom, what travel limits did you set in stepconf?
[18:27:03] <piasdom> not limits...actual movements
[18:27:04] <alex_joni> piasdom: you probably didn't home and the limits are set wrong
[18:27:08] <fragalot> SWPadnos: Well, I haven't managed to make it display the step output when jogging /VERY SLOWLY/
[18:27:18] <SWPadnos> on each axis page is a pair of entry boxes where you enter the minimum and maximum travel extents
[18:27:19] <fragalot> it could use a higher resolution display too...
[18:27:25] <piasdom> x is 8 y is 4 z is 4
[18:27:58] <piasdom> but y could b4 5
[18:28:03] <piasdom> be
[18:28:19] <piasdom> let me go look
[18:28:20] <SWPadnos> we tested one of these before: http://www.ece.ndsu.nodak.edu/ece/academics/courses/ece375/notes/alp/b-user-g.htm
[18:28:32] <SWPadnos> it was pretty neat
[18:28:47] <fragalot> I bet, it sure looks nice
[18:29:03] <fragalot> even the display looks ok
[18:29:17] <SWPadnos> it was OK, but not much better
[18:29:32] <fragalot> it's handheld, can't expect the same quality as you get from an analog HAMEG....
[18:29:35] <SWPadnos> it was meant as a bridge device between a logic probe and a scope, and it fit there pretty well
[18:30:25] <SWPadnos> Hameg isn't exactly the paragon of quality, IMO
[18:30:50] <SWPadnos> maybe good for the money though
[18:31:38] <alex_joni> chauvin arnoux ftw
[18:32:01] <fragalot> SWPadnos: I'm quite fond of them in school
[18:32:14] <SWPadnos> I'm sure they work
[18:32:22] <fragalot> Quite well :p
[18:32:24] <alex_joni> they are neat too. FLUKE also..
[18:32:30] <SWPadnos> my needs are sometimes - a bit needier :)
[18:32:38] <fragalot> fluke is quite nice indeed
[18:32:47] <fragalot> but damn expensive if one of the fuses blow :p
[18:32:59] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: http://www.chauvin-arnoux.com/Aff_IMG.asp?ID=9037&fam=C.A%208335%20QUALISTAR%20PLUS
[18:33:02] <SWPadnos> less than if there were no fuses
[18:33:07] <fragalot> (somebody in my class managed to blow one on a .1pA signal... couldn't even measure it..)
[18:33:17] <fragalot> SWPadnos: Aye.
[18:33:24] <SWPadnos> cool - a color scopemeter
[18:34:38] <SWPadnos> hmmm what's the isolation on that thing?
[18:34:44] <alex_joni> I would probably buy this if it weren't so damn expensive
[18:34:50] <alex_joni> http://www.chauvin-arnoux.com/produit/Famille_detail.asp?idFam=1873&idPole=1
[18:35:18] <alex_joni> 4 channel 100MHz isolated
[18:35:34] <cradek> 'To request a price quotation, you need to sign in. Then indicate the desired quantity of products ...'
[18:35:37] <cradek> bah, pass
[18:35:44] <SWPadnos> I'm trying to see what the isolation rating is
[18:35:58] <alex_joni> it's about 5k EUR, so maybe 8-9k USD
[18:36:02] <BigJohnT> you can really count occills with that
[18:36:03] <cradek> 4 isolated measurement channels, 600V, Cat. III
[18:36:19] <alex_joni> 600V is rated working voltage
[18:36:30] <cradek> oh
[18:36:30] <SWPadnos> hmmm. looks like it's maybe 1000V isolation. bummer
[18:36:50] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: need more?
[18:36:58] <SWPadnos> it would probably be nice for jmk, or for low power supplies
[18:37:02] <SWPadnos> yes, sometimes
[18:38:07] <piasdom> can ya'll look at this http://paste.org/index.php?id=4044
[18:38:15] <SWPadnos> 6500A - that would work for most supplies also
[18:38:25] <fragalot> mm
[18:38:44] <fragalot> in the HAL config, I see that the "Dir" on pin-02-out is IN.. it is configured as Xdir
[18:38:46] <fragalot> is that normal? :p
[18:39:02] <SWPadnos> yes
[18:39:17] <SWPadnos> it's an input from the HAL perspective, since it outputs to a physical pin
[18:39:21] <SWPadnos> input to the driver
[18:40:36] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: HX0027 probe: 1/1000 ratio 30MHz 20kV-Cat.II
[18:40:56] <alex_joni> would that suffice?
[18:41:02] <SWPadnos> well, I'm not sure if my client will be buying a lot of test equipment at the moment ;)
[18:41:06] <SWPadnos> but it probably would
[18:41:28] <alex_joni> might probably be way cheaper to buy a proper probe, than a 20kV rated scope
[18:41:39] <fragalot> Sigh, I really can NOT measure the spikes of the Xstep
[18:42:03] <fragalot> Xdir works, so it's not my fault :p
[18:42:07] <piasdom> SWPadnos: i the output(mill to pc) the limit switch ?
[18:42:14] <SWPadnos> ?
[18:42:24] <piasdom> i - is
[18:42:41] <fragalot> SWPadnos: Can I easilly make it output wider pulses?
[18:42:43] <alex_joni> what do you mean by output (mill to pc)
[18:43:02] <alex_joni> fragalot: you need to change step time
[18:43:07] <piasdom> that's what in the stepconf at http://paste.org/index.php?id=4044
[18:43:10] <fragalot> alex_joni: ty
[18:43:12] <SWPadnos> fragalot, sure, make the step time larger
[18:43:28] <SWPadnos> I don't see any stepconf there, I only see a list of pins
[18:43:36] <piasdom> i changed all those to unused
[18:43:37] <alex_joni> that looks ok
[18:43:48] <alex_joni> piasdom: looks ok now
[18:43:58] <SWPadnos> do you actually have spindle control hardware?
[18:43:59] <piasdom> i type all the pin that are in my stepconf
[18:44:05] <piasdom> no i don't
[18:44:06] <SWPadnos> ok
[18:44:16] <alex_joni> then put 14 & 16 to unused
[18:44:21] <SWPadnos> then I'd turn off the spindle cw and spindle PWM pins
[18:44:34] <SWPadnos> do you have an A axis?
[18:44:34] <piasdom> ok to both :)
[18:44:39] <piasdom> no
[18:44:40] <SWPadnos> rotary
[18:44:43] <alex_joni> right, and disable spindle control (a couple pagesearlier in stepconf I think)
[18:44:54] <SWPadnos> ok, then turn off a direction and a step
[18:45:02] <piasdom> ok brb
[18:45:14] <SWPadnos> right, and change the selection to a 3-axis mill, not a 4-axis (XYZA) machine
[18:46:07] <piasdom> it is set to three axis
[18:46:43] <alex_joni> I doubt it lets you select a direction and a step if it's set to 3 axis
[18:47:04] <alex_joni> make that "A direction and A step"
[18:47:27] <fragalot> SWPadnos: Sweet. I changed the max freq. to 16kHz, and now i can see /THREE/ small spikes popping up at random positions on my scope. >.>
[18:47:45] <SWPadnos> decrease the time per division
[18:47:57] <piasdom> that's what i have...chose ate start page
[18:48:52] <SWPadnos> ok - it probably doesn't limit selections based on that, it just changes the axis configuration pages you'll see
[18:48:58] <piasdom> and what is include custom PyVCP panel ?
[18:49:21] <fragalot> SWPadnos: that's the best i can get out of this lil' scope, :p at ANY time scale, or v/div
[18:49:28] <SWPadnos> you can make windows with controls and indicators, that option will include some stuff to make it easier
[18:49:41] <piasdom> so use it ?
[18:49:42] <BigJohnT> piasdom: nothing except the file
[18:50:23] <BigJohnT> piasdom: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//hal_pyvcp.html
[18:50:26] <fragalot> SWPadnos: Perhaps I should make a lil' soundcard based scope,... I bet it's more usefull than this thing :p
[18:51:03] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/1228657
[18:51:28] <alex_joni> piasdom: don't use it for now
[18:51:39] <piasdom> ok
[18:51:40] <alex_joni> later when you are acustomed to working with emc2 you can explore further options
[18:51:55] <BigJohnT> what alex_joni said
[18:51:58] <piasdom> yes... i just need this to work
[18:53:24] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT wonders how to drink a grape slush without getting a brain freeze or a purple tongue???
[18:53:51] <fragalot> BigJohnT: put it in the microwave for 7 seconds
[18:54:10] <BigJohnT> that stops the purple tongue?
[18:54:19] <fragalot> a straw can
[18:54:29] <alex_joni> only if you can put the tongue in the microwave for 7 seconds
[18:54:32] <BigJohnT> do you have to put your whole head in the microwave?
[18:54:46] <alex_joni> only the tongue
[18:55:13] <BigJohnT> tried that but the door switch would not let it run
[18:55:18] <fragalot> stupid scope, why did I ever buy this
[18:55:26] <fragalot> 180 euro down the drain :(
[18:56:05] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: obviously you need to close the door
[18:56:09] <BigJohnT> you would have lost more if you paid dollars :O
[18:56:28] <BigJohnT> that hurt when I tried that
[18:56:29] <fragalot> Orly?
[18:56:37] <fragalot> BigJohnT: it's because you did it wrong
[18:56:46] <fragalot> if you do it just right, you won't feel a thing because you're in shock?
[18:56:49] <fragalot> .*
[18:56:50] <BigJohnT> that's what I was thinking
[18:57:26] <fragalot> how about letting it warm up to room temp, and then snorting it?
[18:58:21] <fragalot> Gotta love this.
[18:58:29] <fragalot> UPS WORLDWIDE $115.95
[18:58:29] <fragalot> Total for order is $177.90
[18:59:12] <cradek> yikes
[18:59:59] <alex_joni> hah
[19:11:51] <piasdom> now i get linear move on line 5 will exceed limits ... line 5 > g81 f4 x.25 y.1 r.05 z-.03<
[19:13:36] <piasdom> and in stepconf, do i use a neg number when setting the distant travel on z ?
[19:14:33] <BigJohnT> how much travel do you have on your Z axis
[19:14:43] <piasdom> about 5"
[19:14:57] <piasdom> but i'm using 4.5"
[19:15:10] <BigJohnT> -4.5
[19:15:13] <piasdom> k
[19:15:56] <piasdom> which linear movement is it's talking about ?
[19:16:06] <SWPadnos> the limits should go from minimum to maximum. if you want the middle of the table to be 0, then on X (for exampke), you'd enter -4 for minimum and 4 for maximum
[19:16:16] <SWPadnos> example
[19:16:22] <alex_joni> that's for 8" of travel
[19:16:34] <piasdom> ok i get that
[19:16:49] <SWPadnos> yes, he said it's 8x4x4 travels
[19:16:50] <BigJohnT> it should say something about axis then a number, 2 is usually the Z
[19:16:53] <piasdom> let me set it ti the middle :)
[19:17:11] <SWPadnos> you may want the soft limits to be a little less than the physical limits
[19:17:19] <piasdom> it does BigJohn
[19:17:42] <piasdom> i'll go .5" shorter
[19:17:48] <SWPadnos> makes sense :)
[19:17:56] <piasdom> thanks
[19:20:31] <piasdom> not it's saying i'll exceed all my limits from x0y0z0
[19:20:38] <fragalot> no no, yo uset the limits OUTSIDE of the physical limits,... otherwise it's no fun. ^_^
[19:20:56] <fragalot> I'll shut up now.
[19:20:57] <piasdom> hahhahahahah
[19:21:09] <piasdom> even i know better
[19:21:21] <piasdom> but that's all i know
[19:28:31] <piasdom> well,thanks for all ya'll help...i really appreciate it THANKS
[19:28:42] <SWPadnos> sure. how's it working now?
[19:28:55] <piasdom> not
[19:28:58] <fragalot> Why is there still nothing on tv?
[19:29:05] <SWPadnos> see above
[19:29:45] <SWPadnos> I wonder if there will be good sales on HDTVs due to the economic slowdown
[19:31:46] <fragalot> dno, I just know that i paid a lot for mine, but it's a damn good piece of machinery
[19:31:57] <alex_joni> good night all
[19:31:59] <fragalot> 32" panasonic viera, 1200euro
[19:32:01] <fragalot> gnite alex_joni
[19:32:10] <alex_joni> fragalot: what resolution?
[19:32:15] <SWPadnos> see ya Alex
[19:32:32] <alex_joni> if it's anything below 1900x1080 .. I wouldn't buy it :)
[19:32:34] <SWPadnos> that's a hell of a lot for a 32" (here anyway)
[19:33:01] <SWPadnos> there are good (not necessarily great) 1080p 37" LCDs here for $700
[19:34:06] <SWPadnos> and very very nice 60-75" rear projection DLPs (also 1080p) for $1800-$2500
[19:35:40] <fragalot> alex_joni: 1920x1080
[19:35:48] <fragalot> SWPadnos: note; it's nearly a year old now
[19:35:56] <SWPadnos> oh, that explains it
[19:36:01] <fragalot> I recently even found out it runs linux, lol
[19:36:15] <SWPadnos> cool. that's gotta be worth something
[19:36:24] <SWPadnos> have you gotten the wource?
[19:36:25] <SWPadnos> source
[19:36:30] <fragalot> :D I was browsing the menu,.. found the GPL license in there
[19:36:40] <fragalot> investigated a bit, and yes, the source is publicly available xD
[19:37:00] <SWPadnos> interesting. I wonder if the mythTV or v4l writers know about it
[19:40:19] <fragalot> lol, it's still an expensive tv
[19:40:28] <fragalot> it's currently at 990 euro
[19:40:38] <SWPadnos> 46" at $1397
[19:41:00] <SWPadnos> the 32" LCD is $550 or so
[19:41:19] <SWPadnos> oh - $950 for the 1080p version
[19:41:20] <fragalot> you get what you pay for (altho the difference is often not noticeable)
[19:41:34] <fragalot> yeah, this is a 1080p tv
[19:41:52] <SWPadnos> is yours LCD or plasma?
[19:42:06] <fragalot> LCD
[19:42:22] <SWPadnos> cool - less power and longer life anyway
[19:42:23] <fragalot> http://am-linux.jp/dl/EUIDTV5
[19:42:27] <fragalot> ^ sourcecode :p
[19:43:19] <SWPadnos> nice, thanks
[19:44:09] <fragalot> Shame that i can't find the actually applications that RUN on am-linux
[19:44:23] <fragalot> my english is starting to suck, perhaps i should go do bed :/
[19:45:02] <SWPadnos> bye. bed to you go now
[19:45:11] <fragalot> lol
[19:45:17] <fragalot> gnite
[19:59:11] <roberth> hi all, i tryed to sign up to the EMC mailing list but i have never recvied an email to confirm my signup or anything else, followed link on EMC contact page for sign up any ideas?
[20:00:38] <cradek> how long ago did you do this?
[20:02:01] <roberth> today, but i had also done it month or so back also never recvied anything then
[20:02:56] <cradek> hmm. do you have any spam software that might trap the messages?
[20:03:42] <cradek> exactly what email address did you give? I can look and see whether it's subscribed.
[20:04:31] <roberth> robert@innovative-rc.co.uk also tryed to use emc@innovative-rc.co.uk so i could better filter mailing stuff into a folder
[20:05:00] <cradek> emc-users or one of the other lists?
[20:05:04] <roberth> spam box is empty
[20:05:08] <roberth> users
[20:06:20] <cradek> nope, it goes from roba... to rod..., no robert@...
[20:07:08] <cradek> same for the other one - there are plenty of emc@, but not yours
[20:07:08] <roberth> hmm
[20:07:30] <cradek> let me see if I can find a sourceforge contact address so you can ask for help
[20:07:33] <roberth> this correct page right, https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[20:07:41] <cradek> yes
[20:09:06] <roberth> thats odd, ok, i used the .com domain and it came stright throught, where .co.uk ( i own both domains) did not work
[20:09:37] <cradek> looks like this is how you can ask them for help: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001
[20:10:44] <cradek> to=robert@innovative-rc.co.uk, ctladdr=chris (1
[20:10:45] <cradek> 001/1001), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30329, relay=[] [], dsn=
[20:10:48] <cradek> 2.0.0, stat=Sent (m9GK8ECh084915 Message accepted for delivery)
[20:10:57] <cradek> no problem sending you mail from here
[20:11:02] <cradek> but I'm unrelated to SF of course
[20:11:29] <roberth> yea, good old SF o well im signed up now on .com
[20:11:40] <roberth> thx for ur helpin out
[20:11:41] <SWPadnos> do you have a POSTMASTER account for the .co.uk domain?
[20:11:42] <cradek> ok, sorry, that's probably the extent of what I can do to help
[20:11:48] <SWPadnos> or postmaster
[20:12:11] <roberth> co.uk is all worded into the .com postmaster i belive
[20:12:41] <roberth> both fully reg domains
[20:12:42] <SWPadnos> there has to be a postmaster account. I don't recall how it checks for that, but it's a basic anti-spambot technique
[20:13:10] <SWPadnos> if you have it forwarded somewhere, that should work, but the adderss postmaster@eherever has to be valid
[20:13:15] <SWPadnos> address, that is
[20:13:27] <SWPadnos> uh - I should stop typoing
[20:13:29] <skunkworks> yes - I had the same problem recently. Added the postmaster account to my email domain and it started working.
[20:14:01] <roberth> the wunders of the modern internet
[20:14:29] <cradek> RCPT TO:<>
[20:14:29] <cradek> 553 5.0.0 <>... User address required
[20:14:40] <cradek> I think this might be the problem
[20:16:59] <roberth> u got me
[20:17:13] <cradek> err no
[20:17:32] <cradek> MAIL FROM:<>
[20:17:32] <cradek> 250 2.1.0 <>... Sender ok
[20:17:32] <cradek> RCPT TO:postmaster
[20:17:32] <cradek> 250 2.1.5 postmaster... Recipient ok
[20:17:44] <cradek> sorry, I'm on drugs, I don't see any problem
[20:19:10] <roberth> not to worry
[20:29:42] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUmFKOVepYY
[20:31:35] <cradek> skunkworks: neat!
[20:31:57] <skunkworks> without the sound - you really couldn't tell what is going on ;)
[20:32:32] <cradek> yeah I bet
[20:37:34] <skunkworks> that is only 20v.
[20:37:55] <skunkworks> (actually my laptop power supply) ;o
[20:38:17] <skunkworks> (only thing I had here that put out almost 5 amps)
[21:00:15] <skunkworks> boy - emc2 and hal is neat
[21:03:07] <SWPadnos> really?
[21:04:03] <skunkworks> for sure
[21:05:39] <skunkworks> I'm sorry - am I preaching to the chior? ;)
[21:05:53] <SWPadnos> I don't hear anything
[21:12:59] <fenn> Ave EMC2, Gratia plena, Dominus technum
[21:25:48] <fenn> i guess that should be EMC2/HAL
[21:57:47] <spastic_teapot> spastic_teapot is now known as spasticteapot
[22:29:22] <LawrenceG> skunkworks very cool.. fets get warm?