#emc | Logs for 2008-09-28

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[00:00:06] <anonimasu_> arbor for a slitting saw ;)
[00:02:25] <dmess> 130 sfm and .004"-.008" per tooth ... you have to drive this stuff.. DONT rubb it
[00:02:39] <anonimasu_> im turning :)
[00:03:08] <dmess> then BARK at those #'s
[00:03:09] <toastydeath> dmess: he's got insert tooling
[00:03:29] <toastydeath> would you still use 130 and not something higher?
[00:03:38] <toastydeath> my guess was 500-600
[00:03:41] <toastydeath> without coolant
[00:03:49] <dmess> thats ok start from there then turn it up
[00:04:26] <dmess> never jump into 500 sfm first try
[00:04:34] <toastydeath> good point
[00:05:43] <dmess> ive made many good pcs @ 150-200 that JUST COULD'nt be made @ 400+ sfm
[00:05:43] <anonimasu_> :)
[00:06:32] <dmess> the inserts WOULD DO it the part wouldn't
[00:08:28] <anonimasu_> I'll try it :)
[00:11:14] <dmess> do you have coolant??
[00:11:16] <anonimasu_> yes
[00:11:27] <dmess> use it
[00:11:49] <dmess> this is gummy shite
[00:12:06] <dmess> brbv
[00:12:24] <anonimasu_> :)
[00:13:25] <anonimasu_> thanks!
[00:36:08] <dmess> ok i need a brainiak... http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=58 this semi-controlroler running an A-B single to tripprle phase vfd.. i have questions
[00:36:26] <dmess> the AB is a 160S model
[00:37:51] <dmess> series B
[00:39:45] <dmess> i think i have wire diagram... but i DuNNO
[01:42:35] <toastydeath> i wonder what it costs to get a very small geothermal power plant going
[01:43:04] <toastydeath> 1.2-1.5 million is a figure i've found for turnkey packages + wellheads/drilling
[01:43:55] <toastydeath> but that's for a larger than i'm thinking of plant
[01:45:07] <skunkworks> * skunkworks first read thermal-nuclear
[01:47:07] <toastydeath> hahaha
[01:47:12] <toastydeath> SCRAP MY ORIGINAL IDEA
[01:47:14] <toastydeath> YOURS IS BETTER
[01:55:47] <jmkasunich> holy crap: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330270327200
[01:56:00] <jmkasunich> the going rate for a VN12 is usually around $500
[01:56:08] <jmkasunich> somebody paid $1900
[01:58:54] <cradek> maybe there aren't many in sunnyvale?
[01:59:46] <cradek> near me? (price I'll pay) += $1000
[02:00:15] <jmkasunich> yeah
[02:00:42] <jmkasunich> I find it amusing that the 2nd sentence in the description was copied verbatim from my website
[02:00:57] <cradek> heh
[02:02:49] <jmkasunich> did you ever total up the gas/trailer/etc costs involved in fetching your lathe
[02:02:57] <jmkasunich> (or were you afraid to?)
[02:03:08] <cradek> no, I never total things
[02:03:32] <cradek> I ate food today - so plenty of money left.
[02:04:08] <jmkasunich> heh
[02:04:12] <stustev> heh
[02:04:22] <cradek> guess what - surprise - I need to order more balls
[02:04:32] <stustev> bigger smaller?
[02:04:40] <cradek> these don't fit in the nuts (barely)
[02:04:52] <cradek> so I need to split the difference and enlarge both circuits
[02:05:04] <stustev> drat
[02:05:08] <cradek> yeah, bites
[02:05:17] <cradek> I waited over a week to get them too - it will be a slow process.
[02:05:43] <jmkasunich> welcome to my world
[02:05:51] <stustev> ditto
[02:05:57] <jmkasunich> (although I usually can't blame my slowness on delivery)
[02:06:25] <cradek> between the two circuits there were 12 bad balls.
[02:06:34] <jmkasunich> got 8 of my 16 adapter parts "done"
[02:06:39] <stustev> i have best fit the collected points from the cinci to the model - I have it with +/- .0035
[02:06:40] <jmkasunich> first operation only
[02:06:56] <jmkasunich> stustev: cool
[02:06:57] <stustev> losing chrome
[02:06:58] <cradek> stustev: neat
[02:07:02] <cradek> stustev: yes
[02:07:22] <jmkasunich> the balls are actually chrome plated?
[02:07:37] <cradek> jmkasunich: not sure if you could call it plated, but yes they are not solid chrome
[02:07:41] <jmkasunich> I thought they were "chrome steel" as in, solid steel, of a high chrome alloy
[02:07:52] <cradek> there is a rougher material underneath
[02:07:58] <jmkasunich> time to tap #9
[02:08:06] <cradek> I don't know what the new balls are except "chrome steel"
[02:08:11] <stustev> safety glasses
[02:08:16] <stustev> jmk
[02:10:25] <cradek> huh, that ebay ad says 1 hp, 115/230v, 1 phase...?
[02:10:37] <cradek> that can't be right can it?
[02:11:14] <cradek> Inspections will be held on Wednesday, September 24th 2008 at 2:30 AM.
[02:11:25] <cradek> wow, that's convenient
[02:11:45] <stustev> heh
[02:12:11] <stustev> is 1hp, 115/230v, 1 phase unusual?
[02:12:37] <cradek> sounds small for such a mill, but I don't know
[02:12:46] <cradek> there is a picture of the motor plate, and it does say 115
[02:13:03] <jmkasunich> the standard motor is 1-1/2HP three phase
[02:13:33] <jmkasunich> I believe the low-mount motor is an old design - mine (and all others I've seen firsthand) has the motor on top
[02:13:57] <jmkasunich> I think the low motor is a carryover from the design of the #10, which had overhead (lineshaft) drive
[02:14:05] <cradek> ah
[02:14:58] <jmkasunich> that motor appears to be much newer than the mill
[02:15:06] <jmkasunich> I suspect the mill pre-dates WW2
[02:15:12] <cradek> I bet someone converted it to 115
[02:15:16] <jmkasunich> yep
[02:15:22] <cradek> that might add to the price too
[02:15:31] <jmkasunich> yep
[02:16:06] <jmkasunich> I wonder if they converted the feed motor too?
[02:18:55] <jmkasunich> stustev: you were reminding me to wear my glasses?
[02:20:02] <jmkasunich> the only advantage of being very nearsighted is that I'm always wearing my glasses
[02:20:39] <cradek> jmkasunich: me too - wish I could tolerate polycarbonate, it's safer, but I can't see with it
[02:21:11] <cradek> well that's an overstatement - I can't see *well*
[02:21:15] <jmkasunich> I tried the polycarb lenses about 10 years ago and hated them
[02:21:19] <jmkasunich> haven't tried them since
[02:21:27] <cradek> yes they are just awful
[02:21:51] <stustev> yes - especially with the tap - I have a tendency to get close to the tap to watch it
[02:22:21] <stustev> what is the matter with the poly lenses - not very clear?
[02:22:37] <cradek> chromatic abberation: everything is a rainbow
[02:22:53] <cradek> unless you are looking through the exact center of the lens
[02:22:54] <stustev> now you are talking greek :)
[02:23:08] <jmkasunich> I'm hand tapping, work still in the lathe chuck, piloted tap wrench in tailstock, so I don't have to get close
[02:23:15] <stustev> I don't notice that at all
[02:23:19] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: poly script lenses?
[02:23:35] <jmkasunich> chromatic abberation means that they lenses don't bend the red and purple ends of the spectrum by the same amount
[02:23:46] <cradek> red and blue
[02:23:57] <jmkasunich> if you have a very strong prescription, everything except the exact center of the lense is like looking thru a prism
[02:23:58] <cradek> so purple looks particularly bad
[02:24:21] <cradek> purple text on the monitor looks like red text with blue text below/above/next to it
[02:24:23] <stustev> I don't have a prescription - maybe that is why I don't notice it
[02:24:39] <JymmmEMC> I dont like the regular poly safety glasses... just scratch too easy
[02:24:40] <jmkasunich> yeah, plain lenses can be made of nearly anything
[02:24:41] <cradek> no, for just safety glasses it's perfectly fine
[02:25:22] <stustev> ok - I have the poly lenses with the little reading glass in the lower edge - I do see the rainbow in that
[02:26:24] <stustev> rats - I had never noticed it before
[02:26:29] <jmkasunich> time to tap #10
[02:26:32] <jmkasunich> sorry
[02:31:24] <jmkasunich> hopefully its not gonna be one of those things that you never noticed but will now always bother you
[02:32:39] <stustev> we will see - I will probably still use them - maybe different light will be different
[02:32:39] <JymmmEMC> Got one of these when they were on sale, fits fits, adjustable, and can just flip-up as needed http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46526
[02:32:58] <JymmmEMC> fits nice
[02:33:09] <jmkasunich> I have one of those that I use when I'm running an angle grinder
[02:33:20] <jmkasunich> its a bit much for more mundane tasks tho
[02:34:00] <jmkasunich> well, if the time for the last part is typical, I'll be done in 1.8 hours, or 12:30ish
[02:37:07] <stustev> i can only see the rainbow when I hold the glasses away from my face - it will not be a problem
[02:37:37] <jmkasunich> good
[02:43:14] <dareposte> when using stepconf, the UI instructs to enter "0" for pdm mode when configuring the spindle pwm output. So the other two entries should be.... a) also zero, b) the spindle speed and pdm density, c) none of the above
[03:00:36] <dareposte> hmm
[03:01:10] <jmkasunich> this is fscked up - the boss at Washington Mutual bank (which just went broke) was in his job for 17 days
[03:01:23] <dareposte> hey thats my bank too
[03:01:32] <jmkasunich> he collected a $7.5 million signing bonus and $11.6 million severance pay
[03:01:41] <dareposte> i'm in the wrong industry
[03:01:48] <skunkworks> ? if you put a number in there - I assume that is the frequency of pwm.
[03:01:59] <skunkworks> No - you are not. (atleast right now)
[03:02:19] <dareposte> i was thinking it was the duty cycle of pwm, but when set to zero it's not super clear how it will behave as a PDM signal
[03:02:20] <jmkasunich> the CEO industry is the one to be in
[03:02:37] <dareposte> i could probably run a bank into the ground in 17 days...
[03:02:43] <dareposte> if that's the hiring requirement these days
[03:04:26] <dareposte> skunkworks: the input defaulted to speed 1: 800 / PWM1: 0.2
[03:04:35] <dareposte> speed 2: 1600 / PWM2: 0.8
[03:05:54] <dareposte> so i set the PWM rate to "0", as indicated in the on-screen prompt that it should be for PDM mode, set speed 1 to 0 rpm / 0pwm, and speed 2 to 1850 rpm / 1.0
[03:07:33] <dareposte> halmeter and halscope don't appear to be working so this is a bit harder than it should be :(
[03:07:41] <dareposte> any trick to getting them to load?
[03:09:27] <jmkasunich> usually no tricks are needed
[03:09:33] <jmkasunich> what exactly isn't working
[03:10:46] <dareposte> i click the "halscope" button in axis and nothing happens
[03:10:50] <dareposte> same for halmeter
[03:11:00] <jmkasunich> open a shell and try it from there
[03:12:07] <dareposte> don't see it in bin or scripts
[03:12:37] <jmkasunich> are you running an ordinary install, or did you build from source?
[03:12:43] <dareposte> 2.3
[03:12:46] <dareposte> build from source
[03:12:59] <dareposte> cvs-head
[03:13:12] <jmkasunich> open a shell, go to the top directory of your CVS checkout, and run ". scripts/emc-environment"
[03:13:21] <dareposte> yeah did that already
[03:13:26] <jmkasunich> I'm assuming you did a run-in-place build
[03:13:30] <dareposte> yes i did
[03:13:57] <jmkasunich> so you can't start halscope from that same shell, after running emc-environment?
[03:14:18] <dareposte> i don't know how to start it from a shell...
[03:14:29] <jmkasunich> type "halscope"
[03:14:39] <dareposte> command not found
[03:15:18] <dareposte> halmeter not found etiher
[03:15:20] <jmkasunich> maybe you don't have GTK libs or -dev package installed - I think halscope and halmeter are the only things that use GTK, and they get skipped by the build if the libs are missing
[03:15:34] <jmkasunich> re-run the ./configure step, and carefully read the output
[03:16:03] <jmkasunich> it will print a message if it can't find the libs (it prints a lot of messages, but this one will say failed or missing or something, rather than ok
[03:16:56] <dareposte> ./configure | grep gtk -> Warning: gtk2 not found, then complains that halscope won't be built
[03:17:02] <dareposte> guess you nailed it sir, thank you for the lead
[03:17:05] <cradek> WARNING: GTK2 not found, some utilities (halscope, halvcp, classicladder) will not be built"
[03:17:15] <cradek> <- slightly too slow
[03:18:06] <dareposte> is it generally safe to use synaptic package manager to install gtk2?
[03:18:28] <cradek> surely so
[03:18:37] <cradek> you probably need gtk2-dev or something like that
[03:19:19] <jmkasunich> synaptic's search function is handy
[03:19:38] <jmkasunich> I bet you have GTK libs installed, but not the -dev package that has the include files needed to compile GTK aps
[03:19:57] <dareposte> hmm
[03:20:02] <dareposte> gtk2-dev-python?
[03:21:07] <dareposte> nope
[03:21:07] <jmkasunich> libgtk2.0-dev I think
[03:21:10] <dareposte> libgtk2.0-dev
[03:21:16] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[03:21:17] <dareposte> yeah that's what i just found too
[03:21:23] <dareposte> thanks
[03:21:28] <jmkasunich> you're welcome
[03:22:14] <dareposte> now it only says Xaw lib missing
[03:23:48] <dareposte> fixed that, and now make shows it building classicladder and halscope
[03:23:50] <dareposte> so that's good
[03:24:09] <jmkasunich> bit of a sidetrack from the original problem, but those tools should help a lot
[03:24:19] <dareposte> yeah i was excited to have a software scope
[03:24:45] <dareposte> i have an old HP that weighs about 50 lbs that i'd have to drag over instead
[03:25:07] <cradek> hey I think I have that one too :-)
[03:25:29] <dareposte> a 2 channel 100mhz e-bay special, with one channel that only works sometimes
[03:28:01] <dareposte> now emc won't even load up
[03:28:03] <dareposte> great
[03:28:05] <dareposte> :)
[03:28:15] <dareposte> must've done something wrong in the build
[03:30:09] <dareposte> Error in startup scripts: unknown option "-padx" while executing ... (pickconfig.tcl)
[03:33:52] <jmkasunich> you didn't get that before?
[03:34:02] <dareposte> nope
[03:34:07] <jmkasunich> its odd that it would work and then break
[03:34:14] <dareposte> looks like maybe it didn't work
[03:34:23] <dareposte> i had an error in the make
[03:34:31] <dareposte> just didn't see it and happily ran along and ran setuid
[03:34:32] <jmkasunich> pickconfig.tcl is the program that pops up the intial dialog that lets you choose what config you want to run
[03:34:38] <jmkasunich> it isn't really "EMC"
[03:34:53] <jmkasunich> when you answer that dialog, then it invokes EMC with the specific ini file that you picked
[03:36:25] <cradek> if your tk is broken, you'll have a lot of problems with emc
[03:37:38] <dareposte> the warning i got in the make is "WARNING: fabs underined! in steptest.ko
[03:42:29] <dareposte> i think my tk is broken
[03:45:36] <dareposte> i think i just smoked my parallel port breakout board too
[03:52:21] <dareposte> hmm this is not good
[03:52:42] <dareposte> hal/utils/halsh.c: 4:17: error: tcl.h: No such file or directory
[03:54:25] <dareposte> the line it references is a "#include <tcl.h>"
[03:55:20] <jmkasunich> check for package tcl8.4-dev
[03:55:32] <dareposte> yeah its installed
[03:55:35] <dareposte> so is 8.3 and 8.5
[03:55:41] <dareposte> wonder if that's maybe the problem
[03:56:53] <dareposte> i ran it with the option --with-tclConfig=/usr/lib/tcl8.4/ --with-tkConfig=/usr/lib/tk8.4/
[03:59:09] <dareposte> seems i have to actually add the file name on the end of the directory, i'll try that
[03:59:56] <dareposte> yep that was it, still building but it made it past where it crapped out before
[04:01:21] <dareposte> on a side note, would running 5v logic at 7.5v be enough to smoke it?
[04:01:45] <dareposte> my 5v wall wort is actually putting out more than 5v, and one chip on my board got hot enough to burn me a little
[04:02:16] <dareposte> it was a 74HC... series chip
[04:03:45] <dareposte> actually a 74ACT2V
[04:03:56] <jmkasunich> 7.5V is too much
[04:05:20] <dareposte> 74AC245, the numbers were small to read i had to get a magnifying glass
[04:05:33] <dareposte> the datasheet says 7v is maximum rating
[04:05:38] <dareposte> so i guess that answers it :(
[04:06:28] <LawrenceG> yea.... HC doesnt like more than 6
[04:08:45] <dareposte> whoops, should've checked it first I guess
[04:13:48] <dareposte> halscope and halmeter are both now working
[04:13:50] <dareposte> wonderful
[04:25:05] <dareposte> my goodness that is slick
[04:25:13] <dareposte> halscope rules
[04:25:22] <jmkasunich> glad you like it
[04:26:21] <dareposte> yeah that is fancy
[04:26:36] <dareposte> took a minute to figure out the triggering, but now its running great
[04:31:58] <dareposte> so my pulse density is apparently working, but at a low frequency of 1 pulse/3ms
[04:46:32] <ds3> beware of the tail end of a parting too :(
[05:10:05] <dareposte> parting?
[05:14:15] <dareposte> anybody know if there's a way to speed up the pulse frequency in PDM output?
[05:14:38] <dareposte> everything is working properly except its too slow to filter very effectively :(
[05:15:05] <dareposte> either that or i stink at designing filters...
[05:15:12] <dareposte> trying to convert it to 0-10v analog signal for spindle speed
[06:52:55] <dareposte> just needed more capacitance
[06:57:09] <crotchetyGu1> crotchetyGu1 is now known as crotchetyGuy
[07:06:12] <dareposte> very exciting, everything is working wonderfully so long as the spindle rotates clockwise
[07:06:54] <dareposte> when it rotates counterclockwise, it doesn't rotate. it seems pwmgen won't generate any pulses for reverse, although HAL is enabling the reverse spindle direction output
[07:07:19] <dareposte> anybody got an idea?
[07:08:10] <dareposte> using PDM output, M3 S1000 generates the correct result, but M4 S1000 only makes the CCW output high, and does not generate any pulses
[07:08:39] <fenn> how does pwmgen know it's reversed?
[07:09:00] <dareposte> that's a good question, and i have no idea
[07:09:11] <dareposte> so far i haven't edited my hal file manually, its all been done through stepconf
[07:09:40] <dareposte> do you think i need to tell pwmgen that it's okay to run if its reversed?
[07:10:01] <fenn> is stepconf supposed to work for this sort of thing?
[07:10:25] <dareposte> i don't know, it worked getting PDM set up for one direction though
[07:10:35] <dareposte> quite well actually
[07:15:06] <dareposte> guess i should probably bite the bullet and start playing with HAL
[07:15:13] <dareposte> time to rtfm then go to bed i think
[08:56:27] <fragalot> Guys. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270279911644&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:DE:1123 <-- They are rather small tracks tho.. but do you reckon those 3 would be enough to make a PCB engraver?
[09:16:28] <pjm_> good morning all
[09:23:37] <anonimasu__> fragalot: yes
[09:23:43] <anonimasu__> fragalot: you have no loads on a pcb engraver
[09:49:16] <fragalot> anonimasu__: Awesome. also, timing belts, or lead screws? :p
[09:53:17] <anonimasu__> hehe
[09:54:14] <fragalot> no, seriously ^_^ I'm starting to think timing belts would be easier to implement, and give better speeds,.. as i don't have much forces going on, apart from for the Z, I think it could work out better? Just figuring out if it's cheaper than ACME threads
[10:16:46] <fragalot> 66 euro for just the belt & 3 pulleys :/
[10:17:08] <fragalot> * fragalot thinks he'll look into this stuff after he gets the slides
[10:45:12] <Jono> hi everyone,
[10:47:06] <Jono> ich just compiled emc 2.2.6 an al suse 11 computer as simulator. when i try to open an png-file i get the following messages:
[10:48:16] <Jono> Traceback (most recent call last)
[10:49:38] <Jono> File".../bin/image-to-gcode", line 26, in <module> import Image, numarray
[10:50:00] <Jono> Import Error: No module named Image
[10:50:19] <Jono> what went wrong?
[11:37:54] <anonimasu__> Jono: it seems like there'a library missing
[12:48:43] <Jono> with one could that be, configure and make had no major errors, only warnings
[12:50:04] <Jono> I'm afk again, about an hour or two
[12:50:30] <Jono> would it help to install the missing libary or do i have to compile again
[12:51:16] <fragalot> I'd recompile the parts that failed to make sure
[12:57:27] <alex_joni> sounds like a python error, so probably just installing the missing lib should be ok
[12:57:33] <alex_joni> but recompiling shouldn't hurt
[12:57:37] <fragalot> BigJohnT: Q: how much did the belt system you use set you back on that plasma? :)
[12:58:19] <BigJohnT> fragalot: the pulleys were the most expensive item, let me look
[13:02:13] <BigJohnT> I used 1/2" L belting and it cost $3.10 per foot
[13:03:41] <BigJohnT> L belt pulleys ran from $12 to $30 depending on the number of teeth
[13:04:02] <BigJohnT> I fabricated the end holders my self so they were free :)
[13:04:50] <BigJohnT> I built the turn around with some bearings I had laying about so it was free too
[13:05:40] <fragalot> yeah, got bearings, and I guess i can just clamp the ends down with an alu plate and some screws
[13:06:16] <BigJohnT> I cut some grooves for the teeth to fit in... let me show you a picture
[13:06:19] <fragalot> lets see,.. *does some math* .. I reckon that would be approx 66euro for me.
[13:06:52] <fragalot> thats fairly reasonable :D Not to mention that working this way gets me the accuracy I wanted (kinda,... not really, but meh), plus some fair rapids ^_^
[13:06:56] <BigJohnT> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Plasma%20Cutter/Plasma001.jpg
[13:07:07] <BigJohnT> and http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Plasma%20Cutter/Plasma002.jpg
[13:07:15] <fragalot> nice work
[13:07:22] <BigJohnT> thanks
[13:07:43] <fragalot> What other fancy toys have you built? lol
[13:07:53] <BigJohnT> here you can see how I routed the belt http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Plasma%20Cutter/Plasma003.jpg
[13:08:15] <fragalot> Ah, you didn't drive it directly
[13:08:50] <fragalot> BigJohnT: how do you tension the belt going to the motor?
[13:09:20] <BigJohnT> I slotted the mounting holes
[13:09:28] <fragalot> k
[13:09:44] <BigJohnT> grain mill for making BEER http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Grain%20Mill/GrainMill001.jpg
[13:10:00] <fragalot> gotta have one of those!
[13:10:17] <fragalot> haha, thats just epic.
[13:11:19] <fragalot> http://users.telenet.be/aaronvanneste/vlammenwerper02.jpg -- this would be the most complex thing i've built on my own sofar,.. Won't go into details on it tho :p
[13:11:45] <BigJohnT> plans are on my web site http://suburb.semo.net/jet1024/BeerHome.htm
[13:12:07] <fragalot> lmao
[13:12:52] <BigJohnT> nice fire starter :)
[13:12:53] <fragalot> BigJohnT: reckon i could strap the belt directly onto the stepper instead of using the 2nd belt system like you did? :p
[13:12:57] <fragalot> BigJohnT: ^_^ it is
[13:13:08] <fragalot> been used to light the christmas trees a few times.
[13:13:11] <BigJohnT> just do the math first
[13:13:50] <fragalot> BigJohnT: did, would get me 0.1mm accuracy if i do halfstepping, with a 25mm pulley
[13:14:13] <fragalot> (if the .4Nm stepper I have suffices,... I think it should..)
[13:14:41] <BigJohnT> well it is time for me to go eat breakfast ttul
[13:14:47] <fragalot> have fun
[15:49:29] <fragalot> Yay
[15:49:45] <fragalot> my 3 stepper drivers I've made are off by factor 1000 on the RC filter circuits... lol.
[15:49:52] <fragalot> 100pF instead of 100nF >.>
[15:51:01] <JymmmEMC> Don't do that =)
[15:51:24] <fragalot> no,.. lol
[15:51:42] <fragalot> :'( Means I get to take 'm all out, and replace them, I'm seeing too much noise
[15:53:17] <JymmmEMC> If you are *SEEING* too much noise, you have bigger problems =)
[15:54:14] <JymmmEMC> <rimshot>
[15:55:35] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: pocket scope :p
[15:55:45] <JymmmEMC> cheater!
[15:57:57] <JymmmEMC> OT: I finally got VMware server 2.0 installed under Ubuntu 8.04 AMD64 on this $400 Compaq laptop, and was able to copy over a XP VM from Fusion to it and just start it up! That's is just way too cool!
[16:00:24] <DanielFalck> JymmmEMC: what was Fusion?
[16:00:50] <JymmmEMC> Fusion == Mac OSX version of VMware workstation
[16:00:59] <DanielFalck> ok, thanks
[16:01:14] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, strange naming convention
[16:02:08] <JymmmEMC> But, what I think is really cool about it is you are crossing file system type boundaries OSX GUID to Linux ext3 and "it just works"
[16:03:38] <DanielFalck> that's great
[16:07:25] <JymmmEMC> I'm still RTFM, but read a section where you can have a classroom scenario, and when (for example) the one class is over and the next class is about to begins, that when you shutdown/reset the session, it can automatically be setup to discard any changes so the next student can be at a fresh machine.
[16:08:31] <JymmmEMC> Just imagine someone infecting it with a virus or messing around trying to be funny. No problem - just reset the VM, and all is back to normal, no campus wide infections or conflicts for installing/changing anything.
[16:08:59] <DanielFalck> that's a great way of 'containing' windows in the little sandbox then
[16:10:02] <JymmmEMC> Well all VM's are sandboxes in themselves, but the ability to automagically reset everything back to start, is a very good thing, especially in "public computer" scenario.
[16:16:06] <fragalot> damnit how could I have misread that last 4 as a 1 on the caps.. :'(
[16:18:34] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: just keep kicking yourself over it and we'll post the video to YouTube
[16:19:55] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: Deal. That should get me my 5 minutes of fame
[16:20:19] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: http://omploader.org/vczY4/P1000961.JPG it looks sweet tho (obviously not finished as I don't have the diodes yet :p)
[16:21:39] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: nice
[16:21:51] <JymmmEMC> mind if I make a comment and a suggestion?
[16:23:23] <fragalot> Please do
[16:24:23] <fragalot> (I know that I used a ground wire to power the motor, but i couldn't find a 5G cable laying about,.. just 4G, and wanted the colors to be consistent troughout the internal and external connectors.
[16:24:27] <fragalot> )
[16:24:27] <JymmmEMC> Your standoffs.... If one of those break/crack you have a good chance of shorting out soemthing (I know this because it's happened to me), I'd suggest that you use something a bit more solid instead.
[16:25:03] <JymmmEMC> Cabling to the back panel... might try twisting the pairs togeether to help with any stray noise.
[16:25:19] <fragalot> good suggestion
[16:25:20] <JymmmEMC> doens't have to be tight or anything
[16:25:37] <fragalot> on the standoffs, those are just temp. ones to see where i'll place it to get my cabling done right
[16:26:05] <JymmmEMC> Well, temp most of the time turns into perm.
[16:26:15] <fragalot> nah :p
[16:26:32] <fragalot> when I say "temporary", that means next week it's something else.
[16:26:56] <fragalot> the standoffs that are on now are actually stronger than you'd expect them to be, but I still don't trust it that much
[16:27:40] <JymmmEMC> Also.... I don't see a fuse on the MAINS, or to each driver (Yes, I know there's a fuse in the PS, beyond that)
[16:29:08] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: there is, just not inside of th ebox
[16:29:27] <fragalot> aswell as a differential
[16:29:32] <JymmmEMC> Ok, so if drivers C shorts out, it's going to take A & B too ?
[16:29:44] <fragalot> Pretty much, yes
[16:29:51] <JymmmEMC> ok =)
[16:29:56] <fragalot> :)
[16:30:20] <fragalot> don't want a rapid starting if the Z-axis fails to do it's part first :p
[16:30:46] <fragalot> also, the noise I saw on the outputs,.. just realized that it's the chopper doing it's thing :p
[16:31:38] <BigJohnT> fragalot: looks real nice, time for my nap now :)
[16:31:52] <fragalot> BigJohnT: ^_^
[16:31:58] <BigJohnT> did you give it the flame thrower test?
[16:32:17] <fragalot> BigJohnT: not yet,.. but I have tried the smoke test
[16:32:22] <fragalot> =)
[16:33:33] <fragalot> Just wondering..
[16:33:43] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: should I be connecting the Sync pins of the L298's together? lol
[16:34:09] <JymmmEMC> no clue
[16:34:15] <fragalot> same here
[16:34:38] <BigJohnT> I think you would fit in real nice around here... a flame thrower between two mortars and one cannon we could have fun
[16:34:48] <fragalot> BigJohnT: oh, got a cannon
[16:34:58] <fragalot> made one to shoot oak balls of ~75cm in diameter
[16:34:59] <fragalot> xD
[16:35:09] <BigJohnT> I built one for my neighbor
[16:35:20] <fragalot> it fires approx 2 meters far, and 1 high.
[16:35:28] <BigJohnT> 2 1/2 bore
[16:35:50] <fragalot> BigJohnT: nice =)
[16:36:07] <BigJohnT> shoots lead balls about 350 meters
[16:36:12] <fragalot> got a spudgun that fires darts with fishing line attached to it,.. quite fun to go fishing
[16:36:25] <BigJohnT> the motars shoot about 100 meters
[16:36:37] <BigJohnT> sounds cool
[16:36:42] <fragalot> BigJohnT: I don't want to get hit by your cannon,.. lol
[16:36:53] <fragalot> lead 2.5 balls>.<
[16:37:04] <BigJohnT> It's Rickies cannon I just built it for him
[16:37:20] <fragalot> same thing, lol
[16:37:37] <fragalot> closest thing I have to a gun here is a CP99 :/
[16:37:42] <BigJohnT> most of the time we just shoot wadded up tin foil
[16:37:54] <fragalot> (400fps pellet gun)
[16:38:05] <BigJohnT> 22 caliber?
[16:38:10] <fragalot> Yes
[16:38:31] <BigJohnT> as letal as a .22 up close
[16:38:31] <fragalot> http://omploader.org/vbjI2 -- don't mind the pink blanket
[16:38:50] <fragalot> BigJohnT: Yeah,.. I've seen what it does to steak. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot with it :p
[16:39:40] <fragalot> it's quite a fun toy, it's a replica from a real P99, except it's just heavier and has a different loading system
[16:39:43] <BigJohnT> my buddy kills squirrels with his, unless he misses then he pulls out his 45 acp
[16:39:49] <fragalot> BigJohnT: haha
[16:40:09] <fragalot> friend of mine has a .22 1500FPS rifle
[16:40:33] <fragalot> quite fun to shoot pigeons at ~100meters away with iron sights.. watching feathers puff out
[16:41:01] <BigJohnT> 100 meter shot with iron sights is good
[16:41:14] <fragalot> Yeah, takes practise tho
[16:41:20] <fragalot> and a fair amount of luck
[16:41:23] <fragalot> :p
[16:41:53] <fragalot> BigJohnT: btw, what would you use to put white dots on the sights of my pistol :/ Can't see the target if it's black, lol
[16:41:54] <BigJohnT> and good eyes
[16:42:03] <fragalot> BigJohnT: or glasses ;)
[16:42:31] <BigJohnT> I use scopes on all my rifles now
[16:42:47] <BigJohnT> we use a toothpick to paint the dots on
[16:43:11] <fragalot> hmm. Just white paint?
[16:43:24] <BigJohnT> white first then dayglow orange on top of the white
[16:43:35] <BigJohnT> the white makes it brighter
[16:43:35] <fragalot> gotcha
[16:43:45] <BigJohnT> somehow
[16:43:50] <fragalot> some glowinthedark paint would be fun, lol.
[16:44:05] <fragalot> so I can see for the first 2 minutes of darkness
[16:44:19] <BigJohnT> so far all I see is the pink blanket :) did you wash it with your shop rags?
[16:44:36] <fragalot> wash what? The blanket?
[16:45:00] <BigJohnT> yes, just kidding
[16:45:08] <fragalot> lol
[16:45:30] <fragalot> It was just very hot that night, grabbed something at random. Happened to be that pink blanket :/
[16:45:42] <fragalot> BigJohnT: is your internet really that slow? :/
[16:46:07] <dushantch> well he has msoke signals uplink :)
[16:46:14] <dushantch> s/msoke/smoke
[16:46:18] <fragalot> haha
[16:46:23] <BigJohnT> 49Kbps at the moment
[16:46:53] <BigJohnT> dushantch: naw they replaced that with a string and two tin cans
[16:47:14] <dushantch> BigJohnT: yeah, that's this millenia tech :)
[16:47:32] <BigJohnT> fragalot: what is the cylinder thingy with 8 holes in it?
[16:48:14] <fragalot> I remember the time before 2 months ago,.. I was first capped at 10GB/month when I joined the internet world.. 4.6Mbps,.. if you exceeded that, or uploaded more than 2G, you got thrown onto a 28k line. - Then I upgraded to 10Mbps, 12GB cap,.. and paid less, with the same ISP, go figure. Later again, they "pushed the button" and gave a free upgrade to 35GB per month, uplaod & download combined, which was awesome,.. later on, I upgraded to 20Mbps,
[16:48:21] <fragalot> BigJohnT: that's the revolver.
[16:48:37] <fragalot> BigJohnT: the slide of the gun flips open in 2, you insert the revolver there, and shoot.
[16:49:09] <BigJohnT> ok, it holds the pellets...
[16:49:17] <fragalot> Yes
[16:49:30] <fragalot> http://omploader.org/vbjI5 http://omploader.org/vbjJi <-- like this. (http://omploader.org/ibjJi http://omploader.org/ibjI5 == Thumbnails)
[16:50:29] <dushantch> LOL you sent him big pics again :)
[16:50:41] <fragalot> dushantch: INCLUDED THE THUMBNAIL LINKS
[16:50:45] <fragalot> :'( capslock
[16:52:58] <BigJohnT> well the house is all quiet and the dogs and kitties are all napping and the wife is off with her mother so it's NAP TIME!
[16:53:01] <BigJohnT> ttul
[16:53:24] <fragalot> have fun
[16:53:43] <fragalot> I wonder if he knows that that's the best time of the day to do some productive work
[16:53:46] <fragalot> :p
[17:07:01] <LawrenceG> K`zan, good morning... kind of foggy up the coast this morning
[17:07:29] <LawrenceG> my head and the weather :}
[17:08:48] <K`zan> LawrenceG: Good morning to you Sir :-) Seattle CAVU but my head is right there with yours, perhaps another few cups of coffee willl help :-)
[17:09:07] <LawrenceG> workin.... working....
[17:09:07] <JymmmEMC> ha!
[17:09:30] <LawrenceG> hi Jymm
[17:10:25] <K`zan> LOL, there be light up there someplace, Argggghhh.
[17:10:38] <K`zan> (yeah, that far behind the times ;-)
[17:10:58] <JymmmEMC> howdy LawrenceG
[17:11:00] <K`zan> * K`zan shuts up, swills coffee.
[17:11:35] <LawrenceG> had to look up CAVU..... thankyou google
[17:13:00] <LawrenceG> I am just waiting for a friend to come over with a project for the lathe..... he is doing something weird with PVC fittings to fix his hot tube....
[17:13:10] <LawrenceG> tub
[17:13:33] <LawrenceG> gotta watch out for those hot tubes
[17:13:56] <anonimasu__> dushantch: btw, thanks for the help yesterday!
[17:14:33] <fragalot> I think I finally found plans I'm actually capable of making. lol.
[17:14:36] <fragalot> http://www.instructables.com/id/STDFWTXF3HY3SNK/
[17:15:34] <LawrenceG> Jymm, whats up with the housing market in your area? have you seen a lot of foreclosures? prices dropping?
[17:16:18] <fragalot> might take a year or 2, but I don't see a single part that can't be done with the handheld router, jigsaw, table circular saw, drill, and common sense
[17:54:16] <dushantch> anonimasu__: no problem
[17:55:30] <dushantch> anonimasu__: I found out that Y axis on my machine don't have second radial bearing, it's just in plain air :)
[17:56:11] <dushantch> anonimasu__: ant the y guides are funky, 2 plain slides and 2 shafts :)
[17:56:23] <dushantch> anonimasu__: for 250mm travel LOL
[17:57:27] <fragalot> lol
[17:57:57] <JymmmEMC> THis is so friggin awesome!!!
[17:58:05] <fragalot> dushantch: for that short distance, i don't think that the 2nd bearing is really required
[17:58:22] <fragalot> assuming it's bigger than 8mm in diameter :p
[17:58:26] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: what is
[17:59:09] <JymmmEMC> Not only am I Remote Console into the VM across the net, I have dual consoles running concurrently so either one can control the VM, plus if I get disconnected , when I recoennect it's EXACTLY where I left off
[17:59:42] <fragalot> oh, been doing that for quite some time =)
[17:59:51] <JymmmEMC> Not Remote Desktop
[17:59:54] <fragalot> used to run IRC over ssh aswell.. Kept nosy people out, AND I never disconnected :p
[18:00:09] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: Yeah, vmware-server ran, it's not "remote desktop"
[18:00:09] <JymmmEMC> This is all GUI, XP in this case
[18:00:36] <fragalot> all I did was run the VM on my server, and connect to it via another instance as vmware-server, but running as a client
[18:01:03] <JymmmEMC> Well, under server2, it's a browser plugin =)
[18:01:36] <JymmmEMC> no need to install locally
[18:01:54] <JymmmEMC> but the plugin CAN still run even if the browser is closed
[18:03:42] <dmess> this is gonna sound like a stupid question but IF the live CD can see my HD and it linux partitions... is it safe to assume the drive is still in tack??
[18:04:23] <JymmmEMC> seeing a partion and accessing files on a partition is a different story
[18:04:45] <JymmmEMC> you could try mounting a partition
[18:04:50] <dmess> ok so what else could be the problem??? GRUB??
[18:05:06] <anonimasu__> dushantch: :)
[18:05:07] <anonimasu__> brb
[18:05:13] <JymmmEMC> I don't what the problem is to begin with
[18:05:26] <dmess> she wont boot to the hd
[18:05:41] <JymmmEMC> Great, my car makes a noise, fix it.
[18:05:54] <dmess> i know... sorry
[18:06:00] <JymmmEMC> =)
[18:06:32] <dmess> its been a few weeks since i tried it i thought maybe i could fix it from here..
[18:06:47] <JymmmEMC> Again, my car makes a noise, fix it.
[18:07:23] <JymmmEMC> Without know what happened, what was being done before it happened, what error messages there might have been, etc can't help diag the issue,
[18:07:23] <dmess> ok gimme a few and i'll try it again.. be back in a bit
[18:07:34] <dushantch> hrmph I played with the reducer boxes on that mill yeaterday, and now today, can't do rapids, like motor is over stressed
[18:08:11] <JymmmEMC> Ooops, Now he REALLY broke it =)
[18:12:00] <dushantch> nah, had a leak, some cable that went o the primar reducer, fixed the leak but :)
[18:15:27] <tomp3> JymmmEMC: you're working with VM now ( so am i ) what's your opinion of openBox ?
[18:16:01] <tomp3> i had success with Autocad under VM, not openbox, so went that way
[18:16:29] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: I completely dropped openbox (mostly because of the USB limitation) in favor of ESXi, but I don't have the HW for it, so using VMware Server 2.0
[18:17:18] <dmess> WOOOO
[18:17:19] <dmess> HOOO
[18:17:19] <dmess> im in and itaLL works and is still here.... ; )
[18:17:43] <tomp3> JymmmEMC: righto, that move got me sound, usb, better vid and compatibility back to W95/98/2k (for acad mdt)
[18:18:46] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: Well, I also already have VM's that' I've created under OSX Fusion, so I just copied it over, it asked if I moved of copied it, clicked on copy, and it started. It was THAT easy.
[18:19:40] <anonimasu__> dushantch: reducer?
[18:19:59] <tomp3> tho i read here some of the devs are using openbox-ose ( opensource edition) and because the build it in the environment that it runs, maybe it's a good tool then.
[18:20:01] <tomp3> ´╗┐fusion! so mac vms run under linux, got tiger running under x386 linux?
[18:20:04] <JymmmEMC> So, if HW ever failed, just install host OS, vmserver, cp the VM and up and running again. If I can find/get/beg/borrow/steal hw that supports ESXi, it be even easier.
[18:20:24] <tomp3> (me googles ESXi)
[18:20:37] <JymmmEMC> vmware.com ESXi
[18:20:40] <anonimasu__> dushantch: I've decided on the path for my mill now
[18:21:50] <anonimasu__> dushantch: I'm going to call skf tomorrow and check what thoose bearings cost...
[18:28:30] <tomp3> i got a Tyan S1832d ( 2 of em for stepper controls ) and neither has video out. the vid card works in another system ok. the voltages look ok. it beeps 8short1long if i pull all the mem. where to start?
[18:31:41] <jmkasunich> google?
[18:31:58] <jmkasunich> (this isn't really a general PC channel, I'm sure there is better info elsewhere)
[18:32:07] <tomp3> google 'wont boot' ;) thx, sorry ot
[18:32:15] <dushantch> anonimasu__: gearbox, reducer my english is funny
[18:32:25] <jmkasunich> google with the mobo number
[18:32:31] <tomp3> done thx
[18:32:37] <jmkasunich> and maybe "beep codes" or "POST codes"
[18:32:45] <dushantch> anonimasu__: looks like I've messed something up with the rapid coupling
[18:33:05] <anonimasu__> dushantch: I see
[18:33:24] <anonimasu__> dushantch: that's the plan then just machine the bearing housings..
[18:33:53] <dushantch> anonimasu__: you're putting them in the spindle hole?
[18:33:56] <anonimasu__> yes
[18:34:21] <dushantch> anonimasu__: nutt mounts?
[18:34:43] <anonimasu__> dushantch: it has all the nice things that I wish for, getting the screw in the center and the motor on the back providing some counterbalance for the spindle
[18:35:07] <anonimasu__> dushantch: one screw is already mounted(the X screw)
[18:35:14] <dmess> never mind I FIXED IT ALL BY MYSELF... ; ()
[18:35:57] <anonimasu__> dushantch: I just need a better bearing for the end
[18:40:39] <anonimasu__> dushantch: it shoudlnt take more then a few hours to cut the bearing mounts
[18:41:44] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: does the mobo have on-board video?
[18:45:01] <anonimasu__> dushantch: what will take most time is probably dreaming up the actual motor mount(I need to have space for a gearbox of somekind)
[18:46:27] <JymmmEMC> dreaming is the easy part, reality bites though!
[18:47:40] <anonimasu__> not really
[18:48:27] <dmess> dream it in catia... then CUT it
[18:48:33] <anonimasu__> yep
[18:48:42] <anonimasu__> too bad my lathe isnt a NC lathe..
[18:48:47] <anonimasu__> nc/cnc
[18:49:03] <anonimasu__> I could live with a lathe that only does mdi input.. really
[18:49:06] <dmess> so make your hands cnc
[18:49:16] <anonimasu__> hehe, with a dro it's easy enough
[18:49:19] <dmess> im working on mine
[18:50:07] <tomp3> JymmmEMC: no onboard video. i tested components in other systems.. hd,vid,kbd,mouse,monitor. all ok. untested in other system.. mobo,p/s, mem(too basic or incompatible)
[18:50:18] <tomp3> JymmmEMC: thx
[18:51:48] <tomp3> oops, did test p/s. no difference
[18:52:03] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: Reseat everything.... CPU/ram/cards/power connectors.
[18:53:12] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: Verify that all jumpers/setting on mobo are correct. Use the latest BIOS version available for the mobo. Reset BIOS to default/compatability mode (if needed)
[18:53:27] <fragalot> http://omploader.org/vczIz HAHAHHAHA
[18:53:32] <fragalot> man that would suck if that happened to you
[18:53:40] <tomp3> hmm, cpus reseated (cuz swapped and single tested) and mem tested singly in diff slots ( got 4x256 registered ecc), connectors too (swapped p/s)
[18:53:54] <fragalot> tomp3: whats the issue?
[18:53:55] <tomp3> jumpers set according to book
[18:54:01] <tomp3> no vid, no beep
[18:54:11] <fragalot> is the monitor on? :p
[18:54:16] <JymmmEMC> is video card PCI or AGP?
[18:54:22] <fragalot> tomp3: some servers (if it's a server) allow you to disable the video output
[18:54:23] <tomp3> yes but the led not green
[18:54:40] <tomp3> and set it with bios ( past this point)
[18:54:53] <fragalot> k
[18:54:59] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: is video card PCI or AGP?
[18:55:10] <tomp3> vid pci (tried diff slots and verified on in another sys)
[18:55:23] <tomp3> on/ok
[18:55:25] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: Is video in BIOS set to use PCI?
[18:55:36] <tomp3> cant get to bios, no vid
[18:55:43] <fragalot> tomp3: on the "no beep" part,;. is this a PC with onboard beeper, or something you can plug in
[18:55:58] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: then reseat everything again.
[18:56:02] <tomp3> on board ( selctable ) and beeps 8short 1 long with NO mem
[18:56:09] <tomp3> ok. thx
[18:56:27] <jmkasunich> have you googled the beep codes for that mobo? does 8 short 1 long make sense?
[18:56:35] <fragalot> tomp3: the 8 beeps means the video card isn't working
[18:56:41] <tomp3> yes googled that yesterday, makes no sense
[18:56:45] <tomp3> frag no
[18:56:54] <fragalot> 8 Short Beeps Your video card isn't working. Make sure it is seated well in the bus. If it still beeps, either the whole card is bad or the memory on it is. Best bet is to install another video card.
[18:57:07] <fragalot> well.. AMI bios.. forgot it depended on the bios :p
[18:57:35] <tomp3> 1 Long, 8 Short Beeps Display / retrace test failed.
[18:57:50] <tomp3> made no sense
[18:57:59] <fragalot> I'd say the PCI bus is shot
[18:58:01] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: then reseat everything again.
[18:58:10] <jmkasunich> well, that is a video test that is failing, and you have no video, so it makes some sense to me
[18:58:12] <tomp3> yes, thx all, way too long ot
[18:58:12] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: as he tested the card in another PC, I assume he did that
[18:58:26] <JymmmEMC> No, do id again right now
[18:58:29] <JymmmEMC> it
[18:59:13] <JymmmEMC> take your time, and visually verify that that everything is REALLY seated as it should be
[19:00:02] <JymmmEMC> If that doens't work, clear the CMOS on the mobo
[19:03:38] <JymmmEMC> If he can't see POST, either the mobo is set as AGP being the primary display, or fubared video card (at least in that system. If the video card works in another system, I suspect BIOS is set as AGP being primary instead of automatic.
[19:04:41] <jmkasunich> tomp3: does the mobo have both AGB and PCI slots? if so, do you have an AGP video card you could try?
[19:07:22] <dmess> how do i get halscope to show me the steps being output to a pin
[19:07:28] <JymmmEMC> http://www.weirdstuff.com/mas_assets/full/15818.jpg
[19:07:48] <JymmmEMC> 1 AGP, 5 PCI, 2 ISA
[19:08:16] <fragalot> dmess: should be a matter of just selecting that output
[19:08:56] <tomp3> JymmmEMC: You da man! default vid is AGP!
[19:08:57] <dmess> i have a few of the in the storage unit some p200PRO duals and some Celeron duals
[19:09:09] <fragalot> haha
[19:09:13] <fragalot> go tomp3 :p
[19:09:23] <tomp3> (/me hunts for AGP vid)
[19:09:36] <JymmmEMC> tomp3: I am woman, hear me roar!
[19:09:42] <tomp3> thanks a lot guys
[19:09:44] <dmess> i have some i can email to ya
[19:10:03] <dmess> Thx Jymmm for my fix too
[19:10:05] <fragalot> tomp3: I remember a simular issue with my first PC... I had 2 graphics cards, a 2+2MB Matrox card for 2D, and a 12MB VOODOO II card for 3D.. because neither could do both. lol.
[19:11:57] <dushantch> anonimasu__: why gearbox? toothed belt?
[19:12:23] <JymmmEMC> dmess: I didn't do anything =)
[19:12:32] <JymmmEMC> (yw btw)
[19:13:55] <dmess> you made me get off my ass and figure out what was wrong with it... ;)
[19:14:18] <dmess> my car has a noise FIX it
[19:14:44] <JymmmEMC> dmess: Na, just gave you things to consider is all.
[19:14:49] <fragalot> dmess: that's why you have a radio.
[19:15:24] <dmess> yup... and 350K Km on my van
[19:15:27] <fragalot> It's the main reason why "pimp my ride" puts those big audio systems in
[19:15:36] <JymmmEMC> dmess: Well, that's just the analogy I always use when someone says something is broke, but not what's broke, or what they were doing. Saves me a LOT of bullets.
[19:15:52] <fragalot> because the crap they make makes such an awefull racket as it falls apart, you can cleverly tune that out with the 3500Watt audio system
[19:16:07] <dmess> and digging holes I'll bet
[19:16:57] <dmess> as long as you attend the sighn language classes regularily
[19:17:05] <dmess> sign
[19:18:30] <JymmmEMC> dmess: Heh, sorry no. That's not me shooting anyone. When I am in high-stress mode, I hit the range. My stress level drops by about 80% - as my mind is completely focused on the task at hand, it block out everything else. I usually go thru around 300rnds in an hour (NOT rapid fire either), Cheap shrink =)
[19:20:42] <dmess> i agree... i grab the compound bow a frisbee and 6 arrows and go for a walk.. NOBODY comes near me when i have my bow in my hand.. an hour walk no noise.. and breathe... and focus
[19:22:35] <dmess> i call it jack-pine-nigger-frisbee-golf-with-a-real-weapon...
[19:23:54] <JymmmEMC> This all started when I was working for XYZ. It was a VERY high-stress job, just two of us supporting a $5000 high-end product nationally. I was at the point that I was going to quit after being there just a few months and told them so. Within an hour they came back and offered a $10/hour raise. Very hard to pass up. At the same time I was shopping for a handgun, rented a G17, gf saw my stress level drop BIG TIME, and Guess what I got for Christmas =)
[19:26:13] <dmess> right on ya gotta keep an eye on a woman who can pick a gun like that... LOL
[19:26:30] <JymmmEMC> Many times had answered the phone with them cussing me out, by the time they hung up they were asking for my manager to tell them what a wonderful job I had done. Go figure.
[19:27:38] <dmess> when i goto my dads i take out the old LEE Enfied .303 and whack a 20 clip into her and head for the pit... im back in about 15 minutes... with a smile
[19:28:28] <dmess> did you put them thru??
[19:28:33] <JymmmEMC> If it's technical, I can deal with the cussing. But oh gawd the whiners are something else... those I can't deal with. And I have a LOT of them at work right now.
[19:29:18] <JymmmEMC> dmess: Nah, if they pushed the issue, I gave them his email address.
[19:29:25] <dmess> i was a very composed unhappy customer with HP yesterday... ; (
[19:30:19] <JymmmEMC> Then dont buy hp/compaq, it's that simple (really)
[19:30:31] <dmess> i mentioned the HP pavillion and vista a few weeks back.... well the MOBO has left the planet
[19:31:55] <JymmmEMC> We bought two new dell laptops that came with vista for testing. Blew away vista and installed XP. Well since these were testing machine, didn't get the Gold Support. Long story short, the TS mgr told me "We can't help you, you need to use what it was shipped with, click".
[19:32:11] <dmess> they will get it back to me in 7-9 working days.... and i actually LIKE HP.. we have an HP kayak w/s downstairs has been up for the last 8 years... numerous o/s changes and h/w testing
[19:32:36] <JymmmEMC> the funny thing, is we just bought a few more, this time we paid the $100 extra to "downgrade" to XP from the factory AND Gold support - bastards.
[19:32:58] <dmess> they see ya coming
[19:33:30] <dmess> the kayak rarely gets turned off
[19:33:52] <JymmmEMC> Eh, it's what you get when you don't buy the Gold Support basically. Though it's starting to become bad in Gold too, but when you spent $2M with them, I have contacts to make them jump if needed.
[19:34:17] <dmess> i would imagine..
[19:34:50] <JymmmEMC> on speeddial and direct to their cellphone too.
[19:35:31] <dmess> i need a keyboard for a latitude 600... we were scraping 4 this week they wouldnt let me put my pouched 1 into theres and take a good 1 assholes
[19:35:32] <anonimasu__> JymmmEMC: the option for downgrading got set up later in the vista release cycle
[19:35:36] <JymmmEMC> and the thing is, I only need a list of drivers. That's it, which SHOULD be on ther website, but isn't.
[19:35:49] <anonimasu__> probably :)
[19:36:22] <JymmmEMC> anonimasu__: It's not vista itself, it's the XP DRIVERS that I need. We have an unlimited XP site license
[19:36:41] <fragalot> AIDA32?
[19:36:45] <JymmmEMC> But because the system was shipped with vista, 1st level won't support it.
[19:36:56] <fragalot> ah, that ordeal
[19:36:56] <fragalot> fun
[19:36:57] <JymmmEMC> it being XP
[19:37:14] <JymmmEMC> Well, not that they won't support it, it's just they have nfc.
[19:38:23] <JymmmEMC> Every system I issue, is custom built. Nothing "factory" ever goes out.
[19:38:57] <dmess> as is EVERYTHING ive ever built
[19:40:05] <JymmmEMC> If I can ever get out of fire fighting mode, and into fire prevention, I'm working on getting it to the point of just handing them any machine (be is PC or MAC) and their login userid/password and done.
[19:40:26] <JymmmEMC> No setup, no configuration, nothing at all.
[19:40:48] <JymmmEMC> Once you login, everything is automatically configured for them.
[19:41:13] <fragalot> I've only sold one pre-assembled system in my life to a friend (bought it trough me, I let the store assemble it) ... regretted it,.. a lot
[19:41:20] <fragalot> everything you could hook up wrong, was wrong.
[19:41:32] <dmess> how far off is that ???
[19:41:36] <fragalot> 2 diff brands and speeds of ram, jumpers on mainboard set wrong,.. :/
[19:41:52] <fragalot> you couldn't even get it to boot.
[19:58:06] <dmess> ok i need a brainiak 1 on 1 to get this HAL to show me something
[20:00:10] <dmess> maybe i just cant read what im getting
[20:03:14] <dmess> im quite reluctant to plug a board and steppers to something i dunno where im sendin' signals
[20:33:10] <alex_joni> dmess: explaining more in depth would probably give you more answers
[20:33:46] <BigJohnT> hi alex_joni
[20:35:30] <alex_joni> hi BigJohnT
[20:37:01] <BigJohnT> http://www.goldwingworld.com/pages/description.htm
[20:37:51] <anonimasu__> night
[20:46:17] <fragalot> gnite
[20:46:30] <BigJohnT> night
[20:47:43] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: whoa that's big :)
[20:48:11] <BigJohnT> yep :) like an easychair on wheels with a radio
[20:48:26] <alex_joni> guess if it falls over you're screwed?
[20:48:49] <BigJohnT> only if someone sees you fall
[20:50:23] <BigJohnT> I had a KZ1000 when I was younger and pulled up to a bar and put the side stand down... heard the click and leaned over only to fall on my side... the kickstand had clicked up not down...
[20:50:44] <BigJohnT> I just picked it up and went home...
[20:51:08] <BigJohnT> that was the only time I ever fell down :)
[20:51:13] <alex_joni> heh
[20:51:20] <alex_joni> guess this is bigger: http://zo-d.com/blog/images/purple-v8-build-your-own-motorcycle.jpg
[20:52:00] <BigJohnT> its so big you can't fall down
[20:55:08] <dmess> alex_joni: i dont know what im doing with halscope
[21:02:05] <BigJohnT> true grit http://www.wingstuff.com/member_detail.php?pid=7499
[21:03:39] <alex_joni> dmess: try following the hal tutorial
[21:03:43] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: you've never dumped a bike?
[21:03:50] <BigJohnT> no
[21:03:50] <JymmmEMC> not drop, but dumped
[21:04:05] <JymmmEMC> ?
[21:04:08] <BigJohnT> nope been riding since 1968...
[21:04:16] <BigJohnT> crap I'm old
[21:04:30] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: Um do you know HOW to dump a bike at least?
[21:04:48] <BigJohnT> depends on the situation
[21:05:13] <JymmmEMC> any
[21:06:04] <JymmmEMC> loose gravel, some dumbass makes a left turn in front of you, etc
[21:06:32] <BigJohnT> that is stupid driving on the part of the motorcycle guy
[21:06:49] <BigJohnT> still staying upright is the best as you can stop faster
[21:07:11] <JymmmEMC> not if the option is you flying thru the air
[21:07:33] <JymmmEMC> or sliding down a cliffside
[21:07:51] <BigJohnT> sliding down a cliff is another story for sure
[21:08:15] <BigJohnT> there again the motorcycle driver is going too fast for the situation.
[21:08:25] <JymmmEMC> so is a MG turning left in front of you at the last moment and the choice is dump the bok or go flying over the MG upon impact.
[21:08:36] <JymmmEMC> s/bok/bike/
[21:10:10] <BigJohnT> slamming into a MG door or flying over neither one sound like a fun day
[21:10:21] <JymmmEMC> I'm not talking about those that buy crotch rockets and dont make it to the first payment.
[21:10:56] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, I know. I dropped the bike and went sliding 30' the bike went sliding 60'
[21:11:20] <JymmmEMC> AND the lady's husband rides too and KNEW better and did it anyway.
[21:12:01] <BigJohnT> did you smak him when you got up
[21:12:53] <JymmmEMC> He wasn't in the car. I just semi crawled out of the middle of the intersection to the curb, while a bunch of ppl went to call 911
[21:13:08] <BigJohnT> dammit
[21:14:04] <JymmmEMC> At that point the bike would only make left turns. Called my boss and his dad gave me a ride and by boss rode the bike back to the shop.
[21:14:10] <JymmmEMC> err right turns
[21:14:26] <BigJohnT> did he run a stop sign or what
[21:14:54] <BigJohnT> or did he turn left from the right lane
[21:15:03] <JymmmEMC> She? She thought I was making a left, so she turned left. but I was going stright
[21:15:24] <BigJohnT> so she turned left from the right lane?
[21:15:46] <JymmmEMC> huh?
[21:15:58] <JymmmEMC> 4way intersection
[21:16:49] <BigJohnT> she turned in front of you comming at you?
[21:16:55] <JymmmEMC> She was heading Eastbound turning left to go southbound. I was going westbound, she THOUGHT I was turning left to go northbound
[21:17:15] <BigJohnT> got it now
[21:18:31] <BigJohnT> that's a tough one to avoid if it is a traffic light intersection
[21:18:49] <JymmmEMC> and two lanes in each direction
[21:19:05] <JymmmEMC> 8am during rush hour traffic
[21:19:13] <JymmmEMC> speed limit being 55mph too
[21:19:54] <JymmmEMC> burned a hole in my leather boots when I slid thru the intersection
[21:20:05] <BigJohnT> life is a lot slower out in the country :) I don't miss the big city much
[21:20:15] <BigJohnT> bet your glad you had leather on
[21:20:37] <JymmmEMC> yep, and NEVER ride without gloves, even if fingerless.
[21:21:51] <BigJohnT> I did ride my Suzuki 550 across an intersection once with the left foot peg on the concrete and me on top
[21:22:15] <BigJohnT> ran the stop sign and hit a patch of gravel in the middle
[21:22:43] <BigJohnT> the things you learn to look for when you get older :)
[21:23:09] <JymmmEMC> heh
[21:23:44] <JymmmEMC> A freind taught me to ride, He puts on 50K miles on his bike in two years.
[21:24:09] <BigJohnT> had the countershaft sprocket come off and lock up the rear wheel doing close to 100 mph on my KZ1000
[21:24:20] <BigJohnT> glad it was a straight road
[21:24:40] <JymmmEMC> I dont do crotch rockets =)
[21:24:44] <BigJohnT> I don't do that anymore either
[21:25:49] <BigJohnT> I prefer my lazyboy on wheels with a radio and heated grips and seat and back rest
[21:28:13] <JymmmEMC> was the pic of the engine and a seat your bike?
[21:28:36] <BigJohnT> no that was something Alex found
[21:29:58] <BigJohnT> I'm a Goldwing guy now
[21:31:06] <BigJohnT> going to look at this one again tomorrow http://www.wingstuff.com/member_detail.php?pid=7499
[21:31:49] <alex_joni> was looking for this one actually: http://media.techeblog.com/images/ultramotorcycle_1.jpg
[21:32:22] <alex_joni> V10, 8.3 liter
[21:32:28] <BigJohnT> Alex your a wild and crazy guy :)
[21:32:43] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgIUnWwHA9U
[21:33:06] <alex_joni> I wouldn't sit on that though..
[21:33:49] <BigJohnT> We got a new string so lets see how long it takes the youtube to load at 49.2Kbps
[21:34:30] <alex_joni> eww
[21:34:41] <alex_joni> probably a long time..
[21:34:49] <alex_joni> google for dodge tomahawk
[21:35:42] <BigJohnT> does he do a wheele
[21:35:53] <BigJohnT> or burn out?
[21:37:37] <alex_joni> nope.. it's actually boring
[21:37:37] <BigJohnT> $550000 each and not street legal... I'm short a few zeros to get that one
[21:37:42] <alex_joni> heh
[21:37:47] <alex_joni> 500 bhp though
[21:39:13] <BigJohnT> If your Ed McMahon and had one you could sell it and pay your morgage down...
[21:41:19] <BigJohnT> hmm, time to make some Johnny Nix shrimp and some wings on the grill
[21:44:08] <alex_joni> johnny nix ?
[21:44:19] <BigJohnT> asiago cheese stuffed in bacon wrapped 10-12 count shrimp cooked on the grill
[21:44:38] <BigJohnT> johnny nix had a outdoors cooking show for a while
[21:44:49] <alex_joni> aha
[21:44:53] <BigJohnT> he would film near here a lot
[21:48:39] <BigJohnT> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfdtv.com%2FPDF%2FCampfire%2520Cafe%2520Johnny%2520Nix%2FRFD31LOW.pdf&ei=6vrfSK2jN5DSMenzrZQE&usg=AFQjCNFrzIvkk86HUj30ahnHEApCQNqISA&sig2=1jXrnk9N3pQHl8KP26Xnvw
[21:49:48] <BigJohnT> talk to you later Alex
[21:53:48] <alex_joni> good night all
[21:59:12] <dushantch> If on the machine is written that you have to use viscosity 5 at 50 deg. celsius, API GL-5 oil for central lubrication, what oil is it?
[22:00:52] <dushantch> because I found why my rapids were stalling, because electrical clutch wasn't releasing because of too dense oil
[22:01:16] <dushantch> and it was only viscosity 46 :)
[23:14:17] <jmkasunich> dmess: is this you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWZGLue_B8&feature=user
[23:56:49] <dmess> nay.... but i have a stray TWIN out there that juts me in ALOTTA crap