cute instrument makers horizontal mill: http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=30-683-802&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0
jmk: have you seen the video of the cinci cutting the test part?
yeah, just found it when I read back
I noticed that when someone asked how many EMC machines you have you said 2, the knee mill and the cinci... is the G&L not operating yet?
no - I stopped trying to do more than one machine when I welded the inside of the spindle of the cinci
hopefully, I will get the G&L going shortly now.
one project at a time is more than enough sometimes
stustev: excellent work -- inspirational video!
nice job on the editing too -- what software did you use?
NCL is the programming system I use - it is an APT style system
jmk: how is the spindle project progressing?
slowly but somewhat steadily
I made a test collet the other day, need to adjust the taper for the next one
but first I have to shorten a drawbar
I have one set up in the lathe, gotta write the program (cut and thread)
I'm not looking forward to the threading part, its gonna spring a lot
6mm diameter, and the shape forces me to do it with close to 2" of stickout
no chance to use a center support?
doesn't look like it
can't find a die?
since the shoptask uses the cross-slide as the mill table, it is 6" wide, and you can't get the tailstock close
unlike a lathe, where the tailstock has its own ways and can slide in between the "legs" of the saddle
I may try re-arranging things to see if I can use the center
if I thread it before I cut it that might help - the extra inch might let me reach with a center
what does the tailstock have to hold tools?
maybe some type of extension?
I have an MT3 to MT2 extension, and an MT2 dead center
but dead centers and the speed needed to cut 6mm don't seem to get along
already tried it - huh?
my live center is MT3
I haven't tried it for this job
the extension would certainly be long enough to reach
I had a busy last couple of days, (my brother came up to visit), but I should make some progress tomorrow
family is not usually a pain but they can consume a lot of time
I got to make some chips for him
I picked up some aluminum cheap (guy on craigs list selling blocks) and he wanted some
I milled them flat and square for him on the van norman
5-1/4 x 4-1/4 x 1-7/8 x 12 pieces
just wanted square (rectangular) blocks?
just stocking up - us home shop guys latch onto cheap metal when we find it
the seller is a shop making an L shaped part, and selling the chunk they saw out of the inside of the L
works out to $1.50 a pound, which is darned good for 6061
your brother has a home metal shop?
not to the same degree as me
he has a 9" lathe, but he mostly does minor fab stuff
harbor frieight bandsaw, welder, angle grinder, etc
I ran across some nice machine keyboards at HGR today
[01:33:43] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=14-115-042
membrane over them?
nice little joystick-ish mouse replacement on the right
those look SWEET
they weren't price marked or the labels had fallen off - I dunno if I would have bought one on speculation at that price or not
suppose they are compatable with a PC?
I kind of regret that I didn't
they have what appears to be two PS-2 connectors
I'm guessing KB and mouse
you're too fast
I was just typing when you answered my question
how many do they have?
there were three when I saw them, when I went back later one was gone
can I buy them online?
not online, but you can call them Monday morning
I will try it - I like the looks of them - especially sealed
most stuff there is negotiable - if I was there in person, I'd probably offer $50 each and see what they say
dunno if that works on the phone or not - for a phone order, they have to do the legwork of finding the item, etc
I will try that
do you remember the aisle number (location)
btw, the location isn't listed - tell them it is at the front corner of the big area of small items by aisle 4 - 5- 6
I bought some stuff from them recently- two Hardinge 2nd op lathes and an old comparator- they definitely will negotiate over the phone : )
the freight is going to be a lot more than the price of the machines
yeah, thats the thing
every penny they took off the price, they added to the freight
haven't received them yet, but I should shortley
I have no doubt they'll negotiate for a machine, but for a $70 item, who knows
the more recently it arrived, the less they bend on price
and this stuff is pretty new - definitely wasn't there last month
those would be a nice deal even at the listed price tho
no harm in trying - if they sill have them
they will monday morning
the website is updated after close of business
but how many did they start with last monday? they may be selling a lot of them
so unless somebody snuck em out under their coat, they won't disappear between now and opening
hard to say what they had a week ago
the same area had a medium sized pile of other AB industrial PC stuff
do they have most everything on the website?
the website is driven directly from their inventory system
the in-house computers on the salesmen's desks are updated instantly when something sells, and the site is updated every few hours
they have few pages - I will peruse that for a while - I went there from your link this evening and started looking around - interesting stuff
much like what Boeing Surplus and the The Yard Store were like 5 years ago
I think these are the keyboards: http://www.ab.com/industrialcomputers/accessories/keyboards.html
i want, i want, i want
three button mice - unix friendly :-)
ew, $3 kybd and stretch wrap =)
I should put your number on my cell phone for the next time I'm there.... "I wonder if Stuart wants that"
I've made such calls to a couple other regulars in this channel
they're open one Saturday a month, and I go almost every month
today I got out of there cheap
heh, I do that to SWPadnos a few times..."Hey thave rolls of blah for $1/ea
I would too
$10 for four pieces of small energy chain style flex cable tray
go that is - probably not cheap though
about 1-1/2 x 3" cross section and about 2 feet long
that's not bad at all
if you can use it
and $20 for an auto air-conditioning compressor - I want the clutch for my spindle project
clutches alone go for $50+on ebay
jmkasunich: an AC clutch is strong enough for a spindle?
I guess I'll find out
lol, ok, ok
AC probably draws 3-5 HP
my spindle is 1kW = 1.5 HP
FUCk this pos usb dvd drive!!! (sorry)
I've been trying to boot a vmware cd for the last two hours!
somehow the sorry seems a little disingenuous :)
stuste and/or DUH ;)
it's the ONLY usb drive I have available
why do you want to use vmware - so you can run linux in windows?
technically it's ESXi
This is a 1U dual XEON server and I want to test it out if this type of box has enough guts
I used vmware until about 5 years ago. I used it to run windows on a linux box. I thought it was windows in a rubber room. NOT SO
the windows user over filled the hard drive with graphics and trashed the linux partition the vmware was installed on.
haven't used it since
I use vmware to run win95 for the two remaining windows programs that I use
stustev: you can't do that these days.
But this is for a server in the datacenter, not on a workstation that I'm eval
i know - i don't use vmware
it's come a LONG way, you should reconcider it
virtual box runs great
as long as you dont need USB
I use virtual box and a usb dongle to run NCL
then you might have the PSE
yes - I paid for it
stustev: did you get my pm?
jmkasunich: No but I did.... you should be ashame of yourself =)
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can someone please give me the code for current reduction and boost for the 3D-Step card?
i've got the sleep mod to work, but if I use this code: http://pastebin.com/f74a54e9a
i get the error: "HAL: ERROR: signal 'Xpos-cmd' not found"
and "link failed" on the line "newsig Xvel float"
got it, it was the caps ^^
I need help with the pluto board
the problem is simple: if I use it connected directly to the PC I've no problem driving three small servos with a max ferror of 0.0015
If I connect it using a cable, everything is wrong, ferror sometimes is 10 and more!!
Do you have experience using this board with a cable?
xemet: you probably need a higher quality ieee-1394? cable
I also think so, I will try to buy one...I think lenght is also important
the sortest I've found is 2 meters
make sure it has twisted pair inside
and a gnd wire for each data wire
but is it ieee-1394?
I use a parallel cable
I think it is 1284.. sorry
the pinout is the same
ok, I will try, I don't see any other solutions
I cannot use the pluto directly connected to the PC board
if I cannot use it wuth a cable this board is useless
xemet: you need to make sure the cable you're getting is marked ieee 1284 compatible
any other parallel cable will probably be useless for you
a regular parallel cable has simple wires inside
and not 25 of them
they only use one wire for gnd, and one wire for each data signal\
usually the feel much thinner than a proper ieee 1284 cable
ok, this is important, I'm writing this 1284 on my note
non 1284: http://www.ciao.co.uk/Belkin_Components_Serial_cable_25_pin_D_Sub_DB_25__5368973
uhm the first is also marked 1284 in the description! So I've to pay no attention on what commercial says
ok, but how can I use the scond cable on the pluto? the connector is different
the first one is marked "non 1284"
you obviously need to get the connectors you need.. (not sure what the pluto uses)
yes you're right, it is marked NO-ieee1284 I've read it wrong
pluto uses a standard db25
db25 are male and female
on the PC you have a female connector for parport
and on the pluto I've the male
so the cable need to be male-female
ok, so you need a so called "extender cable"
thanks, now I search for it
something like that: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290243988224
the problem is that it seems really similar to the one I've used...
hmm.. sometimes another cable helps..
maybe you can ask jepler what cable he uses on the pluto
[10:22:56] <xemet> http://www.worldofcables.com/oscatalog/CreateHTMLPagesList/29605.htm
this seems to have all charecteristics you said
thank you very much alex, I've to go
are you a emc2 guy?
not a super expert but know a lot
do you have a question?
I am wondering who to contact
I have a question about
weather emc2 is interested in a space shot
using their software
to control the rocket
I am an N-Prize contestant
alex_joni: want to go into space?
how big is the rocket?
Into Orbit first
30 ft Long
are you controlling the fins or the motors for direction?
there are fins in the exhaust
ok, to direct the exhaust cool
a gyro with quadratures
servo motors move the fins?
a mechanical gyro?
that sounds heavy and crude compared to the very good piezo gyros which are now off the shelf
I used pizo gyros in my model helicopters
thay are rate gyros
you get "tail lock" gyros which are not rate i.e. no drift
no drift is good
I will look at that
tail lock gyros have come a very long way the last 5 years, pushed by the model heli gang
what are you using for a computer?
great Im looking
a laptop motherboard
most laptops are not good for real time controls
all the power saving stuff I think
even with realtime linux?
it's a hardware problem with most laptops
I can modify the hardware
replace the I/o chips if nessary
rewrite the bios if need be
or should I say edit
that is way beyond me...
it has to fit in an 8 inch diameter cylender
why not use the 104 stack?
[12:05:45] <The_Ball> http://www.pc104.org/
cheap piezo gyros work good..
[12:06:02] <The_Ball> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC/104
with proper filters.
you guys are helping alot
where are you located?
cool, Poplar Bluff MO here
I have a Team member in MO
randy I think
We really are going into orbit
there is a bunch of smart folks on here you just have to catch them on-line
what kind of fuel are you using?
www.n-prize,com team prometheus
rocket motor made by someone else?
no the cost rules are making us build it
same stuff as shuttle rocket boosters
I'm sure NASA has some extra laying about in Mississippi :)
I had to get a special lisence to buy it
the legal stuff is 2/3 the battle
and it is gong to get worse but don't get me started :)
do you have the motor built?
not a full size one yet
hey, there's a .au team, I better make contact
that will be built just before the launch
yes get involved
there is a google group n-prize
sounds like a bit of fun
lots of good fun there
we need machinist you know
so you have to watch the exchange rate before the launch to make sure your under budget
there are a few of them here
you could probably sell your services to a team
nozzle's are cut from graphite
most folks on here are for open source...
thay take alot of heat
you have only one nozzle?
I wouldn't want to sell anyting, I would like to be a part of it
the fins in my nozzle are also graphite
you can join our team!
do you have a 3-d model of your rocket?
do what you can
I haven't worked with graphite, but I always thought graphite was very easy to crack?
no I have a real model but I can make cad drawings
I will have to make drawings for the machine work
3-d or 2-d cad?
I have some 2-d
I could make som 3d in autocad
ewww autocad... I'm a SolidWorks guy
yep I started using autocad in about 1984
I like to model my machinery that I build in solidworks cause it allows me to move the movable parts and check for clashes
i use autocad for my electrical drawings...
good for that
I design and build automation equipment for factories
for a living
are you famillar with pick and place?
yep, I own the business so I get to work as much as I want
dont work too hard
we do a little pick and place, mostly what we build
I know how that can go
I was a machine opperator for some time
usually a transfer from a magazine to the holder then install the part ...
do you use firefox?
if you try firefox add chatzilla and you can be on the irc in one mouse click
im a fan of linux though
I'm on my linux machine now with chatzilla
im in a stupid java window
I know :)
but it got you here real easy
im not famillar with irc
but I have it
this is the #emc channel on freenode
let me see if i can make that work
you might want to try firefox and add chatzilla
hey it worked
that a first for irc
so I can add this to my favorites
in firefox chatzilla is under tools
what network would this be?
sorry I dont have firefox
there all fixed
so john interested in going into orbit?
I'm kinda big to fit in an 8" rocket :)
We launch this rocket to space
and shoot a special gun called a light gas gun
to get a small projectile into orbit
and try to calculate its re entry
how does the light gas gun work?
and watch it like a meteor
the speed of sound is diffrent in diffrent gasses
the lighter the gas the higher the speed of sound
irssi ftw :p
if we compress hydrogen with an explosion behind a piston
the piston will travel faster in hydrogen than it could in air
yep makes sense
the compressed hydrogen burst a disk under the projectile
and it pushes the projectile out the barrel at hypervelosity
standard 30-06 @2100 ft/sec
fairly impressive. :p
btw, any1 know why gas pellet guns are using CO2, and not just air cylinders?
the projectile is bullet shaped?
wont matter much about the shape in space :)
hehe, esp at that speed
so it is a round ball?
it is cylendrical
made of titainum/barum so it burns green
on re entry
some pellet guns do use cylenders
high performance pellets, those are a fair bit more expensive than regular match pellets
flying thrue air is more difficult pellets are designed for that
John you should join that google group and fallow the progress
The guy from england is comming over here to meet us in january
i see it now
the white text is hard to see with the light background on the web site
BigJohnT: then select the text to make it readable
you are correct
fragalot: I have to find it first to select it :)
I need to fix that
BigJohnT: ctrl-A ;)
I'll just wait for Monroe to fix it :)
thats on the list
[13:08:43] <Monroe> http://groups.google.com/group/n-prize?hl=en
that is the google group where all the action is happening
let me fix that website right now
perfectly readable to me
is that any beter?
how do you keep that thing from crashing into other sats?
better for me that's for sure
i'd probably get one up there... but i'd also likely hit the FOX stattelite doing so.
[13:13:57] <fragalot> http://groups.google.com/group/n-prize/web/n-prize-rules-in-full?hl=en
well we could always rename it Rubble (Hubble)
lots of missing pages tho
* BigJohnT has to go get breakfast for my dad
73's and all that john
have a good day
did you look in the tree?
are thay there?
Im not good at websites
I need some help with ut really
I usually make my sites from scratch
this stupid google thing is automatic
or somthing cant really work with it
thats why I do it myself
[13:20:46] <fragalot> http://constellationcomputers.com/portfolio.php
a few sites aren't listed yet,.. still working on that
and a few bugs are in there. - I don't maintain that website,.. I just make the sites
eventually I ended up with a base system that i can re-use for all those sites, it's pretty neat
maybe we could help each other?
maybe you could join our team
where are you located?
I'm from belgium.
im in Texas
we need members from all over the world
we really could use you on the team
What purpose would I be?
well at the very least you could be someone that is interested
that we can do this
you could build a website
you could help launch
you could do anything you want
help launch,.. I'm a student, I don't really have much spare time, nor money to just fly over to the states, lol.
I could help out with the site tho
frag we would fly you here
time is a factor though
I understand that
how about "I hate planes" :p
thats prety much kills it unless we launch in belgium
:p train ftw
hey there is a meeting at cambridge university
can you get there?
depends on when it is
wow, just a sec
lemme check my agenda
We need someone from our team to be there with a laptop and run a netmeeting
there are accomadations
no, appears to be that i'm booked for then
anyway you should sign on to the google group so I can keep in touch with you
I would like your help with the website
If you hate planes you would really hate a rocket!
theres a diff. between beeing on one, and watching it ;)
we might make history though
from a distance
I have this lil' antigravity device.. could we use that?
let me see that
a satellite with a mass of between 9.99 and 19.99 grams, and to prove that it has completed at least 9 orbits.
thats.. fairly.. light
ez'er to get up there
any electronics you'll put onboard?
the rocket yes
but not on the sat
k, would be fun otherwise,.. trying to rule out errors due to radiation :p
yeah and expensive
we want to go for the X-Prize after this
I doubt that the n-prize allows for the sat to piggyback ride on one of NASA's rockets... right?
are you signing up on the group?
already did a while back
what is your name
on thr group?
I think it waits 24 hr before you can post
possibly, haven't tried
reading up on the existing stuff atm
there's alot of information in there
man the n-prize challenge sounds ludicrous, lol
yeah it looks hard
such a lightweight thing,.. That's got to stay in orbit that long,..
like I said before, getting that up there is no issue (i think), but KEEPING IT THERE... lol
actually a grain of sand could do it
but its not without its difficulties
up is ez
the hard part is reaching orbital velosity
thats really fast
thats why we have the light gas gun
to launch it into orbit
k, lets say you get that speed. a) How do you prove the # of orbits made, b) how do you aim it :p
all I do is ask questions >.> lol.
aim is not so importaint but knowing exactlly the position of the firing is
I only know basic engineering stuff,.. (eg. stuff that don't relate to the decrease of the effect of gravity depending on how far away you are from the planet xD)
Monroe: aiming kindof is.... Lets say you fire it off aiming at the moon... Doubt it 'l reach orbit that way
I'd fire it at some other sattelite that dosent exist.
anonimasu: I'd aim it at the fox sat.
if it dosent exist nobody can blame you if you hit it ;)
the sun is the target
"uh.. ... a telephone sattelite fell down."
but it has to be in the right place true
so timing is somewhat important
as long as it is pointing east and jus above the horizon
"guys.. I just shot the sun dwon"
and we know the position of the gun we can calculate its orbit
ah so you do know the pos. of the gun
and then calculate were it will re erner
it will do way more than 9 orbits
more like 3months worth of orbits every 90min
and it will re enter like a meteor
except this meteor will shoot across the sky
with a very long tail
and it will be green
and we will know when and where to look
and besides that nasa may catch it on radar also
hope it's nighttime :p
right that could be a factor but we will do our best to factor that out on th launch
and we can try more than once if we have too
if nasa can catch it on radar it wont matter
Well its' not exactly rocket science is it? *cough*
Hey I dont see you on the group?
:/ should be
I see big john signrd up
i just logged on, didn't sign up
I need my coffee >.>
speaking of coffee
Monroe: also,.. I don't see where it tells you to make it,.. so what if you made everything in china,.. lol, you could probably build 5 without exceeding the price :p
good point! dont mention that on the group :)
so do you use emc2?
plan on doing so
you building somthing?
but a) need a computer with par port. b) PCB's are gonna get etched by thursday
sofar i've played with the livecd
I've got this gingery lathe im building
but it doesn't support my USB->serial->parallel port cable, my network, my sound card, or the 2nd display
nor does it like my laptop
and (amazingly) I can't find a cheap PC anywhere that has a parallel port
even 200Mhz boxes are over 80 euro :&
do you have a case?
not yet, no
seeing what kind of space i'll need first
gather the parts, and only then think about an enclosure
I wonder what shipping would be
well, last time i got a Sun Fire V60x shipped to me from california by a friend
for a box
I ended up paying $200 for the shipping, and another $650 for customs
what case is it that you have? (should be tax free..)
just a generic 1gh athalon you could have
I suppose if it's marked as a "gift" customs shouldn't be able to touch it?
(on the sun fire he forgot to do that)-
if not, i've been looking at the intel Atom boards
I can ask Paul from the N-Prize group
yeah those are cool
any1 know where i can find some decent ACME thread & nuets?
almost all big supplires here in the us carry that
"in the US"
belgium was known for some good lathes
I think i've found somebody that has about 2 meters left of acme thread,.. just no nuts for it,.. nfc what the diameter is too, haven't had the time to find it between the rest of his junk
Monroe: yeah, it' sjust a matter of FINDING it, if you're a student.
yeah I understand
I scrounge and trade alot
10x3mm, 1 meter == 14.5 euro
thats about 29 usd
thats a little high
actually thats about $21
thats a good price
2 meters? where did that come from
thats what I thought you said
I said 1 :p
20 bucks ouch
can't find nuts for it..
Monroe: yeah, and it's left thread.. not that it matters, but it appears to be cheaper than right
would brass nuts work?
in regular steel
Monroe: for a while.. :p
10x3mm nuts: 6.35 euro a piece O.O
you could cast some brass right on the treads?
"I" couldn't, no.
I'm trying to keep it low budget too
ever consiter bank robbery
so I made my own L298 based stepper controllers,..
Monroe: once,.. Then i saw how secure some banks were :p
oh wow thats cool
the ones in ghent even have "airlocks" to get in or out >.>
spooks me every time
would me too
fwiw the us site mcmaster.com has 3/8-8, 3' (roughly comparable to 10x3mm, 1 meter) at prices ranging from $15 to $50 depending on material, grade, thread fit, and direction
jepler: if it's US based, shipping will cost 3x the price of the thing i order.
Know anybody elce that might be interested in our team?
and another 21% VAT
Monroe: out here? no. :/
fragalot: sure, just trying to get an idea whether $21 or $29 is comparable to the price a USAian would pay
jepler: I already know for a fact that it's not, lol.
im thinking 8 bucks
hey how bout a big C-Clamp
if it's thread fit 2C (self-centering, "better suited for load carrying") it is not far off the mcmaster price $28.73 for left or right threads
lets see here..
your right jepler
1 meter, M12x3 == 14.50 euro current conversion is 1.44, so it would be $20
1 meter, M12x3 == 14.50 euro current conversion is 1.44, so it would be $21 *
regular steel,. doesn't mention what class, etc...
means I gotta save up as i still need 2 more steppers too
3 if this one isn't powerfull enough. (75ohm 12V, running at 24V .39A 4Watt)
I recently replaced triangular thread with acme thread in my little machine, haven't cut anything since then though. seems to have tightened up the backlash spectacularly, though.
jepler: it's supposed to ;)
Monroe: Monroe http://omploader.org/vcXk4
dident know what to do with that?
just dld it to my desktop
ooh pretty shiny metal http://www.anderswallin.net/2008/09/nikon-te-2000-objective-holder-in-steel/
lewing are you in austin texas?
shiny is good
Monroe: it's just a picture of the stepper
frag I gotta run
for a while
alright, have fun
Ill get with you later though
wow, have a look at the next to last photo on http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/canoneos5dmkii_preview/
-- ISO 12800. It looks quite good compared to ISO1600 shots from earlier-generation cameras (or compared to ISO200 shots on cheap P&S cameras!)
(last photo is ISO25600 but I think it's a bit too noisy..)
for that kind of sensitivity, thats awesome
I only have a Panasonic lumix DMC-FZ18
which is (thanks to the AWESOME lens, but shitty sensor) awefull in the dark
jepler: did you see the the last one =)
The Nikon D90 just came out last month.... Worlds first DSLR that does 720i VIDEO too
not extremely awesome
anonimasu: for a superzoom, it's a great lens
(the noise of the last video)
JymmmEMC: 5D mk ii will do 1080p :-P
of course it's not out yet ...
my video camera is analog,... hehe
(I don't pay much attention to nikons, having a few canon lenses I'm locked in :-P)
jepler: I COMPLETELY understand.
I'm going to buy a DSLR soon
I loved the eos300d..
I had my car broken into a few weeks ago and they stole my D70 all my lenses, etc. About $3000 in all
JymmmEMC: well sh-t
[15:17:15] <fragalot> http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/panasonicfz18_samples/originals/p1000286_sj.jpg
lmao, now THAT is a piece of art
I wonder what its called
Yeah, I had the camera bag and it's contents insured seperately, but I was about $800 lower than what I thought the value of everything was. In other words DONT GUESS, actually add up the value if you are going to insure something!
And I even have the SOB on video breaking into my car - bastard!
He drove into the parking lot, broke the window, stole the camera bag, and drove off in under 30 seconds!
wtf is a .emf file? O.O
JymmmEMC: oh, i've insured stuff before... Then i ended up paying approx $75 on phone bills, $14 on stamps, and approx $43 on fuel getting the damn bastards to actually listen to me,... I filled in like 50+ forms, called them, spoke with them in person... And,.. well it's since january and they said they'd look at it and forward it to the company responsible.. Never heard of them since. (postal shipment insurance for $650)
what is a good DC servo drive to use with EMC ?
fragalot: You'll hate me then... I made an itemized list of the things stolen with SN's and value, faxed it to them, got a call fromthe adjuster, and asked me about the misc items I listed - primarily if I wanted to cover them under the main insurance policy, I said no becasue they were under $100 and my deducable was $500. She said ok, and that she'll cut a check today for the full amount. Total time 72 hours including the weekend.
most of the ones iv looked at close the loop within the drive
btw, something thats always puzzled me: why are the X-Y-Z motors called "servo's" in big CNC machines.. AFAIK, a servo motor can't rotate over 1 turn.. can it? :p
sure it can
fragalot: what insurance company did you use?
are you thinking of RC (radio controlled airplane) servos?
JymmmEMC: USPS shipment.
jmkasunich: obviously i was comparing the 2
the RC servos are a very small subset of what the term "servo" covers
colinb: two that come to mind are http://pico-systems.com/univpwm.html
-> click "motion control", scroll down to "7i29"
as in 100V cnc machine motors
colinb: I was answering fragalot's comment about only one rev
fragalot: Yeah, I've never filled a claim againest USPS insurance before, though I do use USPS insurance periodically.
er, whoops, first link should have been http://pico-systems.com/pwmservo.html
160V/20A for the pico-systems (1 axis per board), 165V/22.5A for the 7i29 (per axis; 2 axis per board)
jmkasunich ah okie :)
didnt realise mesa did those
JymmmEMC: It was insured for $650, they dropped my Sun Fire V60x server, the chassis and internals were severely damaged
iv got there IO board
colinb: which I/O board?
I managed to fix most of it by hand, but one of the CPU's got warped, and the front panel PCB is trashed
if you've already got an I/O board from one of those guys, I'd say go ahead and buy the amp from the same people
jepler thanks :)
fragalot: did it have physical damage to the container?
I took pictures, sent it to them in multiple methods of transfer.
email, fax, enveloppe
fragalot: Did you accept/sign for the package?
JymmmEMC: I wasn't home, my mum did.
fragalot: ah, gotcha
colinb: I think the 7i29 is a newer product from mesa, I don't personally know anybody who has one
but I bet it's solid
Anyone using Google Chrome?
JymmmEMC: anyways, think how much Sun parts cost, then think about customs hogging it so long;....
JymmmEMC: I am
what is it?
jmkasunich: a browser google made
good job, they did.
all the tabs are isolated, so if one website crashes it doesn't take everythign with it
[15:55:37] <fragalot> http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/
each website is a sandbox within the browser
seperate process, even
close a tab, you release the memory that it used
only concern I have is security,
oh, and that they aren't supporting linux for months
hey! I linked to the copic first
well, if they aren't supporting linux, then who cares?
fragalot: Yeah, but if each tab is a sandbox, that is a very good thing.
JymmmEMC: there have been security bugs found.
fragalot: and that's why it's beta =)
jmkasunich: their repo has cygwin, etc... but instead of making it native, they are trying to write their own WINE application to run it in...
JymmmEMC: ^_^ nevertheless, I love what they did
it's SOOOOOOO much faster, lol
JymmmEMC: yeah, but it uses a little bit more memory than other browsers
hmm .. I have a distinct memory that in the early days of the web (93? 94?) Mosaic added a multi-window mode where you could have multiple web sites open at one time
alex_joni: worht it
it did this by fork()ing
I had a page with lots of pictures: about 500 MB in chrome, 400MB in IE, and around 150 in Opera
everything old is new again
alex_joni: Yeah, I read that. But if it can isolate each site, that could be a good thing
yeah, it works pretty nice
alex_joni: tried firefox?
I like that you can drag tabs from one window to another
fragalot: yeah, around 200 for that test
alex_joni: If I have a spreadsheet, of draft email in one tab, then hit another site in another tab and tries to load java and locks up, I'm still good to go.
I ran sun spider or what it's called
and chrome was by far better than any alternative
2-3x ff, 2-4x opera, 20-40x ie7
fragalot: Have you tried Gears yet?
fragalot: It was called Google Gears, but they released it as pure open source and renamed it to gears, let me grab the link
eh, it's more than just that
If you use google spreadsheet, you can work offline (in a plane) then sync everything back up when you get connected again.
not of much use to me
fragalot: you dont create and share spreadsheets?
JymmmEMC: no :p but the idea is nice
I wish they had a better explanation of Gears, one paragraph doens't do it justice.
[16:14:27] <JymmmEMC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hapkRYxCU_8&feature=related
and so so
I've been using google docs a lot more lately. I don't have to fight M$ Office, then upload the file, then hope someone else has the same version, then make a change and do it all over again. Just give someone the url and it's done. PLUS it has revision control built in.
Even can have multiple ppl editing it at the same time, or read only.
JymmmEMC: at the same time would be a bit... asking for problems
No, you get instant notification that someone else is editing at the same time, and cna chat with them too in the same page as your viewing the spreadsheet in
Plus the revision control, if they screw up, you just revert back to a previous version
The ONLY thing I don't like about gDocs is that it's not https. Where you can setup gmail to be 100% https if you enable the option.
any suggestions for sync-ing bookmarks between machines? ffox's import is really concatenation. i found foxmarks, but backpedalled when it asked for email address.
heh, you can edit them thru the sqlite addon, though its way bigger than 1024x68. and no sliders to adjust ;) alt drag to the rescue!
this all started with the nifty link alex posted to the cvs revision graph... how to add that to 3 sets of bkmks.
tomp: there's a feature in google I believe that will do web history for you
Heh, no longer available... use google toolbar for firefox http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/browsersync/
or what you mentioned already
[17:42:16] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk&feature=related
[17:43:23] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FncILxajmlw&NR=1
HAHAHAHAH @ the end
JymmmEMC: thx, i was checking out weave... to heavy, foxmarks, too invasive, will look at google toolbar ( i think i have a bad taste left from some earlier incarnation) well it beats writing an sql-app :)
tomp: I think the only other alternative would be a roaming profile
and that can be kinda icky sorta kinda
doh! email myself the new url
email yourself the whole file
i began wanting to put a single bkmk file on my new 8g thumb, with a single ffox cache on same
tomp: is this in firefox?
err aLWAYS firefox?
nix or win or both?
(unsure or versions) always linux, not always ubuntu
well the bookmark file is the same no matter what version/distro. so just a matter of setting up a central location for it
there are commandline options that would allow to to defien your profile being on a usb stick though
um, bkmarks wasnt sqlite prev to ver 3, but i can unify the version
just saw google toolbar stores offline ( read in thier hands )
[17:49:44] <JymmmEMC> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Managing+profiles
JymmmEMC: yep, i believe the profile will be a good idea, lookin now :)
tomp: you'll just have to mount/umount the thumbsitck everytime
[17:51:30] <JymmmEMC> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Roaming_profile
cool, "firefox -ProfileManage"
no, you can use the profile DIRECTLY, you dont' want to really use the profiel manager it's aPITA
"F:\Mozilla Thunderbird\thunderbird.exe" -profile "F:\My TB profile"
you can call the profiel directly
oooh, plenty to chew on for the afternoon, thx ( ?? .exe under ubuntu?, ok, a general invocation :)
just subst nix paths and such
tomp: I still think storing bookmarks online somewhere is much better, especially if you loose the thunmbstick foor forget to grab it
i was worried about security ( and am wearing the thong around my neck, thinking i WILL forget it someday )
tomp: it's bookmarks, not your passwords to login to the bank
yep, pretty lame stuff, ok will try (fli[ps coin foxmarks/google toolbar )
gotta love reliable components.. I just made a USB interface board to toy arround with,.... and... well, before a resistor i get a nice 4.7V output.. after the resistor.. nada.
some others don't even get a voltage, when they should.. kinda weird.. Owell, gnite
dang i tried installing ffox onto the thumb. that worked. but it wont run with the GTK libs on the other linux boxes.
hey Jepler where did you find that op-amp board the toher day??
tomp: you could write a script to mount the firefox profile from thumb drive on top of the existing one?
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