I caused gedit to crash/runaway and had to reboot
couldn't even kill it
how did you do that?
I was screwing around with a grep plugin and had it searching my whole drive for everything : )
how do you change my nick
Nelida is now known as BigJohnT
think I'll work out some backlash tonight
i finally got around to putting debian back on my laptop
and now it's bleeding fast
four coats of paint later...
how's xchat working out
oh that must have been a while ago, oops
i don't use xchat?
topls64 was installing it i thought
what do you use
I'm back. Fell asleep on bsmt floor
nothing makes the time fly by like watching paint dry.
on the floor??
watching the grass grow is up there...
i just opened up my new teco-westinghouse 1hp drive and its barely 1/4 of the size of my mitsubishi X200
how do they cram all that in there??
i am amazed and confused both at the same time
dareposte: i use irssi
i am a cli freak
i usually am too
but i had no idea how to use irc and someone told me to use xchat
i'd like a nice fancy curses interface personally but i guess this works
Ok, Yes, installed xchat. Just what I wanted - nice and simple. Adn yes, I fell asleep on the floor
i am having a ridiculous time getting ipw2200 working
oh good -- the problem with "SGI Free License B", which covered some parts of xorg's OpenGL and GLX implementations, have apparently been resolved. http://www.fsf.org/news/thank-you-sgi
phooey, the hard drive in my shop machine (with all my BOSS gcode on it) crapped out
no great loss, but irritating
the really important thing on that system, the much-evolved custom BOSS version of REALIZE, I was religious about committing to cvs
topls64: it got late while I wasn't looking - I'll be around tomorrow evening if you want to talk about that labeling machine, busy in the morning
oh, you're here
yes. buddies are over
I just came in from the garage, got to walk the dog and hit the sack soon, but if there is anything urgent and quick now is OK
nothing urgent. brought it up at work, very receptive. have hal questions but i'll do some research on my own first
read the hal manual, and if possible work the tutorial
Eveing folks, just to say hi, been too busy lately to be around much. Upgrading the EMC machine and going to watch that...
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stustev: not here
alex_joni: if I am not mistaken you once suggested to get rid of my old nvidia card
as a matter of fact I gave up trying to make opengl work on open driver
so from the emc wiki I read that the matrox card are suitable
I placed a bid on this one on e-bay
[11:32:23] <pierp> http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230291684720
I would be interested in knowing your opinions about this card
any opinion from anyone is much appreciated of course
matrox usually works ok :)
is there a control command i can apply that would disable the acceleration process for some motions?
why would you want to disable accel?
it would be beneficial for my wire winder
where the traverse is the only one that needs to change direction and it does that slowly
if your motors can handle higher accel, you can set that up
you can have different accels for each axis
if you disable accel completely your motors will halt/miss steps
so i can't selectively change acceleration for each line as i can with feedrate?
you only have one "right" acceleration setting for your motor
maybe i want to have it slower at some locations
I don't see why you would..
well, i can have different feedrates
i'd like to have it slow at the beginning only so the wire wont break
then the spindle should turn continiously
alex_joni: it's not always linear thought
I also think circular sometimes
sometimes i wish for different accelerations at different speeds
what you really wish is non linear acceleration
well, let me know if you come up with a patch for emc2's TP :)
no doubt i will :)
come up or let me know?
let you know if i come up
JymmmEMC: wth.. missed me by a tiny bit
* JymmmEMC grabs 2x4... won't miss this time!
probably didn't take into account earth rotation
alex_joni: wth you mean that will halt if no accel?
if you have no accel and jump from 0 speed to max speed
your steppers won't work this way
ok, I get that.
so why can't the accel be set minimally?
minimal accel means long time to get up to speed
that means crappy performance :)
okey, maxiumlly =)
max accel is ok
that's why it's defined as max_accel :)
is it possible to control the acceleration in g-code?
or rather, does emc support it?
why the accel and not the speed?
you "might" be able to control it in your CAM
splitting to a number of lines..
with certain speeds on each..
although that's a really ugly hack
sounds like a job for o-code
sounds like a job for a postprocessor
Could setup something that prompts for spool size, footage, gauge, material type, then calc what you need from there
i can't see the disadvantage to have support for an acceleration command as well as feed rate
other than it doesn't exist unless you write it.
in case one would want to have particularly slow acceleration at some point only
it would be a PITA to add
not impossible though.. just really hard :)
can't see why that would be particularly complex to do
use specified acceleration or default if not specified
it fetches the info from the stepper config somehow i believe
because you have different accelerations for each axis/joint
and you need to have some g-code to be able to specify on which joint you want to change accel
wouldn't it suffice to alter the acc of the TP?
they can have different feedrates as well can't they?
there is no acc of the TP
the TP looks at each axis for accel, and takes them into account
it's the slowest max speed that will be the one used for the linear motion, and that applies to acceleration as well
that's not always true
so it's just a concept copy from line feed rate
i got a max acc in my tp settings
if you have X set to 10mm/sec and Y set to 20 mm/sec
and if i got it higher than the lowest axis i get following errors :/
you get 10mm/sec only if you move in X direction only
if you move in Y only, you get 20mm/sec
if you go diagonally then you get a mix between the 2
the hypot, quite logical
i haven't gotten that to work though :(
i don't know why i get errors when the tp tries to combine the accels
maybe your TRAJ settings are set up wrong
but no matter, if one were to implement settable acceleration it should be an additional limitation of the acceleration in the tp
or you're using an older emc2
issy: your gui runs - looks good - 'but - how do you shut it down?
maybe, i have to try a later next time im working with that machine
alex_joni: thanks - I'll try
is it possible to synchronize the spindle with the linear motion somehow?
mr_boo: yes, using G33
alt-f4 gave me 'closing serial kbd' - this allow me to crtl-c and shut down emc
stuste1: heh, ok :) I never ran with it connected to emc2
stuste1: any luck with a video of the cinci cutting metal yesterday?
I saw a few errors in the terminal when starting - it started and looked good
the video is on a dvd - the camera would only download to a dvd recorder - it is 52 minutes long - I should have it edited today
cool.. I'm also eager to see that
I will post it on youtube asap - the whole thing will be available on www.mpm1.com:8080/cinci (8080 will probably be 8081 after this weekend)
I don't expect the whole world to be interested in the whole thing - it gets pretty boring watching chips and coolant - but a few people will be interested
a lot of people on this channel will be interested
alex_joni: will issy's gui be available soon? It looks good but if it won't be available I will go on with other projects. If it looks as if it will be available soon I will give it some more tryouts - I like the looks of it - the size is good for touch screen - the soft buttons on the bottom are something all operators know and like
stuste1: he said he wants to release it soon
no idea how soon that will be
the tool offset window is nice - I didn't see an incremental addition for offset adjustment
alex_joni: my intention was to have the cinci done real soon - that was in Feb of this year - soon is relative :)
done as in it needs to go to a customer?
or done as in it works ok now, maybe we can add stuff later?
done - as in releasing it to the shop for production
at this time I am only working on projects in house. I don't feel anywhere near capable to go to someone's shop and work on their machine - :)
DON"T have the TIME either
right, I know how that feels :D
stusteOh you HAVE the time, you just want to sleep too.... WUSS!
72 HOUR WORKDAY!
don't I wish I didn't WUSS out and have to sleep
issy: have you read the recent past discussion?
alex_joni and I were discussing your gui - I tried it this morning - I like it - my main question is how long do you think it will be before you release it? I am running it with emc this morning.
stuste1: how are you running it? are you using a virtual machine with win2000 ?
so it's not a windows gui then?
the vm (virtualbox) is only for NCL - no it works in ubuntu also - it both windows and linux
you got the source code to play with then?
no - a binary
from the zip file
an annoying thing about firefox is that the 'download notification' dialog covers the desk switcher. right when you want to use it. so goto "about:config" and change browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete to FALSE.
stuste1: if i wanted to sim your last cut ( the boat keel like surface), are the files needed at the mpm1 url?
thx, that code is very interesting, as i looked at about how long the little moves were, i noticed the AB motion too, and that the F changes a lot each line. fancy!
that is the output from NCL using inverse time feedrates
I started with a block approx 20.5 X 3.5 X 3.5 - z zero is approx 1/2 inch above the top of the block
I eyeballed all coordinates for G55
just wanted to get the motion somewhere on the block
ah, didnt see that G93, thx ... doh! so the F is the time allotted.
it should be if the G93 is working
Words to the wise: *****DO NOT***** accept the upgrade to the EMC install, it destroys EMC and you are not able to reinstall EMC, result being a complete reinstall from the CD...
i lost 2 drive in the same machine a few weeks back i havent started to re-build it yet
What a FRUGGING mess on that machine, sigh, SCREAM....
smoke 1 if ya got it
K`zan: it's linux based,.. everything can be fixed without a complete reinstall
According to what the upgrade said, it was irreversable :-(.
Lots of walking back and forth to that box ATM...
RElaxed, trying to back up my directory over there, box it brain dead - ancient with no floppy and no CDRW. Trying to get NFS to work but we'll see.
I think i'll toy with the livecd a bit and see if i can get somesort of signal from my USB->serial adapter.. (gotta use a single-channel scope for SOMETHING, right?)à
Unlike m$wincrap, you don't have to do much once you get things going under linux and thus you don't get the constant practice wipe/reinstalling LOL.
if all fails, you could still compile EMC from source and try to replace it with that >.>
but, depending on wether a) I can find the EMC2 cd b) it has an IRC client, i'll brb
Got my $HOME off so that much should be helpful, now to find the CD and reinstall it. and remember two things: "Newer is not necessarily better" and "While WORKING don't F with it"...
If you live on the bleeding edge, you ARE going to get cut!
K`zan: oh and.... DUH!
the live cd doesn't even see either of my drives
Dmess: bummer.. which one?
the linux box that ran ALL apt360 stuff... i could cry but it woulodnt help any...
no, I meant which livecd :)
either 6.06 or the new 8.XX
hmm.. how about a stock 8.04 or 6.06 ?
without emc2 on it?
it boots to cd in 6.06 but no hd's to be seen
also another thing to try is pass "all_generic_ide" as a boot param
i think i always end up with that anyway
im gonna get a new drive and start over for the lathe anyway..
direct drive steppers with 6-8" on z and 6" dia. ... microstepping might be TOO fast ??? correct
test cut on the cinci is here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35tHYaDUmZQ
this is a short version - the full version is on www.mpm1.com:8080 (probably 8081 after this weekend) - it is a long download
I'm there : )
very cool Stuart!
did it pass inspection?
Stu is this NCL code??
don't know yet - yes this if from NCL
is the APT associative??
or just goto/ 's
yes it is
the APT source code generated by NCL is just goto/'s
so you could interpret a pl1=plane/0,0,0,1
and drive to pl1
yes - the source code that ran in NCL is www.mpm1.com:8080/cinci/cincitest.pp
very nicely done...
you guys need any programmers?
stuste1: looks great
or methods engineers
we are always looking for good people
here in Canada we cant touch a coolant nozzle anymore
im a model to machine to part kinda guy... paper dwg's are a pain
where are you located??
why can't you touch a coolant nozzle?
I am in Wichita, Kansas
too close to the tool .. the BABIES might get hurt
im in Toronto area... l/g stuff
you guess the big 2 are 65 miles apart.. i work at the 1 in the east end
stuste1: how many EMC2 controlled machines in your shop now?
two machine currently
the knee mill and this cinci 5 axis then?
nicely DONE brother
now all you need is an integrated APT360 post and your GOLDEN onboard..
you got it
i had it... but its GONE
we'll have to build it again
I think I have it somewhere
Daniel might still have IT
Dmess: the post?
mine was working sweetly.. the whole kit and kabuttle... is what he needs
stuste1: are you running Ubuntu Hardy ?
it has to run thru the apt360 processor to work with the post
the machine is
I can send you some binaries of apt360 and apt/sketch to try out, if you want
I have both 6.06 and 8.04 in my office
you have apt360 running on the 8.04 box?
you'll be impressed...
not yet - I will load it
bbl - honey do's I put off until I got the video published
stuste1 very nice, i wish i could think of a better name than C7 for your machine, its special too.
tho C7 seems to have a nice 50's scifi ring to it :)
heh, you're gonna get a lot people claiming to be the other of the 2 best lookin men
haha windows software installers http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/sizerequired.png
i cant get my hacked Catia install to work on Vista... go figure.... LOL
heh these robots get stuff from warehouse to the order packer. they dont get the item, they bring the shelf :) http://www.kivasystems.com/index.html
hello. hurricane ike got me (see phone line under tree in foreground): http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0818.JPG
fortunately only the phone line was damaged
on cable huh?
dsl == phone
is the line on the ground still operating?
they repaired it today
That's ok, I used to have trash truck come by and take out the lines every week
it be hanging RIGHT in the middle of the street
any car that went by would hit the dangling cable
I had to install a higher mast than the roofline and the telco would raise the line up - bastards
hey, is yahoo screwing up for anyone?
some dropped and duplicate packets
I keep getting kicked off yahoo IM for the last couple of days
but just yahoo, not aol or irc or anyplace else
I can even get to your porn collection fenn
JymmmEMC: now that you mention it, I am too. (my yahoo client is bitlbee)
it's been happening a couple times a day for a few days
jepler: Ok, at least it's not JUSt me, and mine is pogden
starting on the 18th
fenn: glad the tree missed you
fenn: you have some lousy pron... http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0770.JPG
fenn: HF trim router and roller skate bearings.... for shame, for shame, for shame! lol
ok, the trim router sucks, but what's wrong with skate bearings?
fenn: Just you tried building your own like all the rest of us have using skate bearings and they are sitting in a box just like all of ours are =)
AOL settings page, this is funny...
Change Your Gender Help Your current Gender is shown below. If you wish to change it, select the desired Gender radio button and click the Continue button. Gender: Female
what are the options?
Male & Female, but that they even OFFER that option =)
i have read several reports that indicate there are females that actually use the internet
Sure, but when do they chnage their gender on aol
I mena, there is a lot of TG's on freenode, but AOL?!
oh wow, you can use gmail to chat on AIM now.
will the miracles never cease
well, I really like jabber, so I've been checking it out. I did put up a jabber server, but really havne't had time to play with it all that much
what did you use?
as the jabber server..
hang on i forget the name! lol
I used wildfire..
yeah that's it
one of the very few I could find 1-2 years ago, when I set it up
I had to ps aux to find out =)
java though, so I'm not that thrilled
aha, so there's an alternative :)
Openfire (formerly Wildfire) is a real time collaboration (RTC) server dual-licensed
yeah, openfire is free, no more commercial support for it either
I hate that it's java and uses XML, but love that it uses SSL
yeah, I had some pain with that
certain pidgin version on linux didn't want to talk to it
gaim on doze worked perfectly
weird, my pidgeon client supports it but I'm using gtalk and jabber.org for the servers (not my own server)
does gtalk work with any other server than google's ?
it'll allow you to communicate with any other jabber server
I'm talking to myself from gtalk to me on jabber.org
hmm.. nice :)
how do you add yourself then ?
What I like/hate about jabber is that you can be logged in from multipe locations, but not all the locations will receive the messages. So if you are at /work and have /home runnning and someone msg you, it might hit /home befor eit'll hit /work
alex_joni[ a t ]gmail.com
how about the other direction?
and it's a . not a _
[22:51:54] <JymmmEMC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber
jabber is jabber, not restrict to same server, unless that option in enabled.
technically it's firstname.lastname@example.org/instance where instance could be /home /work /winbox /lappy etc
but, I've found that alphabetical trumps sometimes
instead of most resently used instance
heh. I only use it locally :)
been working a treat so far
I've used it to msg myself lickeys between machines =)
2006-04-20 20:13 wildfire_2_6_2.tar.gz
seems it's been 2+ years in service
alex_joni: you just use it in-house?
restricted to this server
if it has access to the world, you can talk to another server too
or from another server that is
sure, but I don't want that :)
hmmm, looks liek one can use GPG to encypt messages too.
as opposed to s/mime
well.. off to bed for me :)