#emc | Logs for 2008-09-20

[00:00:10] <DanielFalck> I caused gedit to crash/runaway and had to reboot
[00:00:20] <DanielFalck> couldn't even kill it
[00:00:25] <Nelida> how did you do that?
[00:00:50] <DanielFalck> I was screwing around with a grep plugin and had it searching my whole drive for everything : )
[00:01:00] <Nelida> how do you change my nick
[00:01:35] <Nelida> Nelida is now known as BigJohnT
[00:01:40] <BigJohnT> ok
[00:01:43] <BigJohnT> got it
[00:05:45] <topls64> think I'll work out some backlash tonight
[00:47:50] <toastyde1th> i finally got around to putting debian back on my laptop
[00:47:53] <toastyde1th> and now it's bleeding fast
[00:55:23] <dareposte> four coats of paint later...
[00:55:46] <dareposte> how's xchat working out
[00:57:35] <toastyde1th> ?
[00:57:53] <dareposte> oh that must have been a while ago, oops
[00:58:03] <toastyde1th> i don't use xchat?
[00:58:36] <dareposte> topls64 was installing it i thought
[01:00:23] <dareposte> what do you use
[01:08:26] <topls64> I'm back. Fell asleep on bsmt floor
[01:10:05] <dareposte> nothing makes the time fly by like watching paint dry.
[01:10:14] <dareposte> on the floor??
[01:17:32] <Dmess> watching the grass grow is up there...
[01:19:10] <dareposte> holy batcrap
[01:19:34] <dareposte> i just opened up my new teco-westinghouse 1hp drive and its barely 1/4 of the size of my mitsubishi X200
[01:19:41] <dareposte> how do they cram all that in there??
[01:21:05] <dareposte> i am amazed and confused both at the same time
[01:25:35] <toastyde1th> dareposte: i use irssi
[01:25:37] <toastyde1th> i am a cli freak
[01:27:19] <dareposte> i usually am too
[01:27:33] <dareposte> but i had no idea how to use irc and someone told me to use xchat
[01:27:44] <dareposte> i'd like a nice fancy curses interface personally but i guess this works
[01:41:22] <topls64> Ok, Yes, installed xchat. Just what I wanted - nice and simple. Adn yes, I fell asleep on the floor
[01:57:24] <toastyde1th> i am having a ridiculous time getting ipw2200 working
[02:36:32] <jepler> oh good -- the problem with "SGI Free License B", which covered some parts of xorg's OpenGL and GLX implementations, have apparently been resolved. http://www.fsf.org/news/thank-you-sgi
[02:38:59] <topls64> awesome
[03:05:19] <cradek> phooey, the hard drive in my shop machine (with all my BOSS gcode on it) crapped out
[03:05:48] <cradek> no great loss, but irritating
[03:12:06] <cradek> the really important thing on that system, the much-evolved custom BOSS version of REALIZE, I was religious about committing to cvs
[03:20:59] <jmkasunich> topls64: it got late while I wasn't looking - I'll be around tomorrow evening if you want to talk about that labeling machine, busy in the morning
[03:22:01] <topls64> ok thanks
[03:22:07] <jmkasunich> oh, you're here
[03:22:21] <topls64> yes. buddies are over
[03:22:43] <jmkasunich> I just came in from the garage, got to walk the dog and hit the sack soon, but if there is anything urgent and quick now is OK
[03:23:30] <topls64> nothing urgent. brought it up at work, very receptive. have hal questions but i'll do some research on my own first
[03:23:37] <jmkasunich> ok
[03:23:49] <jmkasunich> read the hal manual, and if possible work the tutorial
[03:24:17] <topls64> will do
[03:24:32] <topls64> homework ;(
[03:25:17] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[03:25:21] <topls64> 'nite
[04:04:24] <K`zan> Eveing folks, just to say hi, been too busy lately to be around much. Upgrading the EMC machine and going to watch that...
[04:56:49] <stustev> cvs down?
[09:16:13] <christel> [Global Notice] Happy Software Freedom Day! I hope you're all marking the day and spreading the word -- if you haven't yet considered marking SFD, check out http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/map.shtml to see if there is a local event you can attend! Have a great day!
[09:53:56] <alex_joni> stustev: not here
[10:49:57] <pierp> hi alex
[11:04:04] <alex_joni> hi pierp
[11:30:00] <pierp> alex_joni: if I am not mistaken you once suggested to get rid of my old nvidia card
[11:30:42] <pierp> as a matter of fact I gave up trying to make opengl work on open driver
[11:31:28] <pierp> so from the emc wiki I read that the matrox card are suitable
[11:31:57] <pierp> I placed a bid on this one on e-bay
[11:32:23] <pierp> http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230291684720
[11:32:52] <pierp> I would be interested in knowing your opinions about this card
[11:33:48] <pierp> any opinion from anyone is much appreciated of course
[11:50:16] <alex_joni> matrox usually works ok :)
[12:43:15] <mr_boo> hi
[12:43:45] <mr_boo> is there a control command i can apply that would disable the acceleration process for some motions?
[12:47:31] <alex_joni> why would you want to disable accel?
[12:49:13] <mr_boo> it would be beneficial for my wire winder
[12:49:34] <mr_boo> where the traverse is the only one that needs to change direction and it does that slowly
[12:52:43] <alex_joni> if your motors can handle higher accel, you can set that up
[12:52:51] <alex_joni> you can have different accels for each axis
[12:53:13] <alex_joni> if you disable accel completely your motors will halt/miss steps
[12:53:44] <JymmmEMC> ?
[12:54:13] <mr_boo> so i can't selectively change acceleration for each line as i can with feedrate?
[12:55:26] <alex_joni> no
[12:55:41] <alex_joni> you only have one "right" acceleration setting for your motor
[12:56:11] <mr_boo> maybe i want to have it slower at some locations
[12:56:24] <alex_joni> I don't see why you would..
[12:56:37] <mr_boo> well, i can have different feedrates
[12:56:41] <alex_joni> right
[12:58:12] <mr_boo> i'd like to have it slow at the beginning only so the wire wont break
[12:58:31] <mr_boo> then the spindle should turn continiously
[12:59:23] <Vq^> alex_joni: it's not always linear thought
[12:59:46] <alex_joni> I also think circular sometimes
[13:00:20] <Vq^> sometimes i wish for different accelerations at different speeds
[13:00:59] <alex_joni> what you really wish is non linear acceleration
[13:01:05] <alex_joni> probably s-curved
[13:01:19] <Vq^> yeah
[13:01:38] <alex_joni> well, let me know if you come up with a patch for emc2's TP :)
[13:01:51] <Vq^> no doubt i will :)
[13:01:59] <alex_joni> come up or let me know?
[13:02:03] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: *SMACK*
[13:02:08] <Vq^> let you know if i come up
[13:02:28] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: wth.. missed me by a tiny bit
[13:02:46] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC grabs 2x4... won't miss this time!
[13:02:46] <alex_joni> probably didn't take into account earth rotation
[13:03:47] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: wth you mean that will halt if no accel?
[13:04:04] <alex_joni> if you have no accel and jump from 0 speed to max speed
[13:04:09] <alex_joni> your steppers won't work this way
[13:04:19] <JymmmEMC> ok, I get that.
[13:04:38] <JymmmEMC> so why can't the accel be set minimally?
[13:04:54] <alex_joni> minimal accel means long time to get up to speed
[13:05:09] <alex_joni> that means crappy performance :)
[13:05:09] <JymmmEMC> okey, maxiumlly =)
[13:05:17] <alex_joni> max accel is ok
[13:05:25] <alex_joni> that's why it's defined as max_accel :)
[13:05:47] <Vq^> is it possible to control the acceleration in g-code?
[13:05:56] <JymmmEMC> s=15
[13:06:00] <Vq^> or rather, does emc support it?
[13:06:07] <alex_joni> Vq^: no
[13:06:09] <JymmmEMC> why the accel and not the speed?
[13:06:22] <Vq^> alex_joni: ok
[13:06:30] <alex_joni> you "might" be able to control it in your CAM
[13:06:45] <alex_joni> splitting to a number of lines..
[13:06:54] <alex_joni> with certain speeds on each..
[13:07:01] <Vq^> obviously
[13:07:25] <alex_joni> although that's a really ugly hack
[13:07:52] <JymmmEMC> sounds like a job for o-code
[13:08:38] <Vq^> sounds like a job for a postprocessor
[13:09:48] <JymmmEMC> Could setup something that prompts for spool size, footage, gauge, material type, then calc what you need from there
[13:10:06] <alex_joni> right
[13:11:45] <mr_boo> i can't see the disadvantage to have support for an acceleration command as well as feed rate
[13:12:06] <JymmmEMC> other than it doesn't exist unless you write it.
[13:12:07] <mr_boo> in case one would want to have particularly slow acceleration at some point only
[13:12:35] <alex_joni> it would be a PITA to add
[13:12:44] <alex_joni> not impossible though.. just really hard :)
[13:13:25] <mr_boo> can't see why that would be particularly complex to do
[13:13:45] <mr_boo> use specified acceleration or default if not specified
[13:14:05] <mr_boo> it fetches the info from the stepper config somehow i believe
[13:14:12] <alex_joni> because you have different accelerations for each axis/joint
[13:14:38] <alex_joni> and you need to have some g-code to be able to specify on which joint you want to change accel
[13:14:41] <Vq^> wouldn't it suffice to alter the acc of the TP?
[13:14:47] <mr_boo> they can have different feedrates as well can't they?
[13:14:54] <alex_joni> there is no acc of the TP
[13:15:14] <Vq^> oh
[13:15:15] <alex_joni> the TP looks at each axis for accel, and takes them into account
[13:15:49] <mr_boo> it's the slowest max speed that will be the one used for the linear motion, and that applies to acceleration as well
[13:16:03] <alex_joni> that's not always true
[13:16:10] <mr_boo> so it's just a concept copy from line feed rate
[13:16:15] <Vq^> i got a max acc in my tp settings
[13:16:23] <alex_joni> if you have X set to 10mm/sec and Y set to 20 mm/sec
[13:16:39] <Vq^> and if i got it higher than the lowest axis i get following errors :/
[13:16:41] <alex_joni> you get 10mm/sec only if you move in X direction only
[13:16:55] <alex_joni> if you move in Y only, you get 20mm/sec
[13:17:09] <alex_joni> if you go diagonally then you get a mix between the 2
[13:17:31] <Vq^> the hypot, quite logical
[13:17:37] <Vq^> i haven't gotten that to work though :(
[13:18:02] <Vq^> i don't know why i get errors when the tp tries to combine the accels
[13:18:32] <alex_joni> maybe your TRAJ settings are set up wrong
[13:18:34] <Vq^> but no matter, if one were to implement settable acceleration it should be an additional limitation of the acceleration in the tp
[13:18:38] <alex_joni> or you're using an older emc2
[13:18:50] <stuste1> issy: your gui runs - looks good - 'but - how do you shut it down?
[13:19:02] <alex_joni> alt-f4 ?
[13:19:06] <Vq^> maybe, i have to try a later next time im working with that machine
[13:19:31] <stuste1> alex_joni: thanks - I'll try
[13:20:57] <mr_boo> is it possible to synchronize the spindle with the linear motion somehow?
[13:23:38] <alex_joni> mr_boo: yes, using G33
[13:24:54] <stuste1> alt-f4 gave me 'closing serial kbd' - this allow me to crtl-c and shut down emc
[13:26:52] <alex_joni> stuste1: heh, ok :) I never ran with it connected to emc2
[13:27:51] <DanielFalck> stuste1: any luck with a video of the cinci cutting metal yesterday?
[13:27:56] <stuste1> I saw a few errors in the terminal when starting - it started and looked good
[13:28:54] <stuste1> the video is on a dvd - the camera would only download to a dvd recorder - it is 52 minutes long - I should have it edited today
[13:29:11] <DanielFalck> great
[13:29:18] <DanielFalck> thanks
[13:30:01] <alex_joni> cool.. I'm also eager to see that
[13:31:27] <stuste1> I will post it on youtube asap - the whole thing will be available on www.mpm1.com:8080/cinci (8080 will probably be 8081 after this weekend)
[13:32:27] <stuste1> I don't expect the whole world to be interested in the whole thing - it gets pretty boring watching chips and coolant - but a few people will be interested
[13:33:07] <DanielFalck> a lot of people on this channel will be interested
[13:39:00] <stuste1> alex_joni: will issy's gui be available soon? It looks good but if it won't be available I will go on with other projects. If it looks as if it will be available soon I will give it some more tryouts - I like the looks of it - the size is good for touch screen - the soft buttons on the bottom are something all operators know and like
[13:39:30] <alex_joni> stuste1: he said he wants to release it soon
[13:39:37] <alex_joni> no idea how soon that will be
[13:39:55] <stuste1> the tool offset window is nice - I didn't see an incremental addition for offset adjustment
[13:40:32] <stuste1> alex_joni: my intention was to have the cinci done real soon - that was in Feb of this year - soon is relative :)
[13:40:59] <alex_joni> done as in it needs to go to a customer?
[13:41:11] <alex_joni> or done as in it works ok now, maybe we can add stuff later?
[13:41:39] <stuste1> done - as in releasing it to the shop for production
[13:42:33] <stuste1> at this time I am only working on projects in house. I don't feel anywhere near capable to go to someone's shop and work on their machine - :)
[13:42:50] <stuste1> DON"T have the TIME either
[13:42:59] <alex_joni> right, I know how that feels :D
[13:43:26] <JymmmEMC> stusteOh you HAVE the time, you just want to sleep too.... WUSS!
[13:43:51] <JymmmEMC> 72 HOUR WORKDAY!
[13:44:01] <stuste1> don't I wish I didn't WUSS out and have to sleep
[13:44:17] <JymmmEMC> =)
[14:22:39] <stuste1> issy: have you read the recent past discussion?
[14:24:49] <stuste1> alex_joni and I were discussing your gui - I tried it this morning - I like it - my main question is how long do you think it will be before you release it? I am running it with emc this morning.
[14:45:57] <DanielFalck> stuste1: how are you running it? are you using a virtual machine with win2000 ?
[14:53:49] <stuste1> DanialFalck: ubuntu
[14:54:07] <DanielFalck> so it's not a windows gui then?
[14:54:30] <stuste1> the vm (virtualbox) is only for NCL - no it works in ubuntu also - it both windows and linux
[14:55:03] <DanielFalck> you got the source code to play with then?
[14:55:11] <stuste1> no - a binary
[14:55:18] <DanielFalck> ok
[14:55:21] <stuste1> from the zip file
[15:06:22] <tomp> an annoying thing about firefox is that the 'download notification' dialog covers the desk switcher. right when you want to use it. so goto "about:config" and change browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete to FALSE.
[15:08:02] <alex_joni> bbl
[15:09:42] <tomp> stuste1: if i wanted to sim your last cut ( the boat keel like surface), are the files needed at the mpm1 url?
[15:09:49] <tomp> bye alex
[15:11:49] <stuste1> yes
[15:12:39] <tomp> thx, that code is very interesting, as i looked at about how long the little moves were, i noticed the AB motion too, and that the F changes a lot each line. fancy!
[15:13:30] <stuste1> that is the output from NCL using inverse time feedrates
[15:14:53] <stuste1> I started with a block approx 20.5 X 3.5 X 3.5 - z zero is approx 1/2 inch above the top of the block
[15:15:18] <stuste1> I eyeballed all coordinates for G55
[15:15:34] <stuste1> just wanted to get the motion somewhere on the block
[15:16:58] <tomp> ah, didnt see that G93, thx ... doh! so the F is the time allotted.
[16:07:07] <Dmess> it should be if the G93 is working
[17:43:56] <K`zan> Words to the wise: *****DO NOT***** accept the upgrade to the EMC install, it destroys EMC and you are not able to reinstall EMC, result being a complete reinstall from the CD...
[17:44:07] <K`zan> Sigh...
[17:46:30] <fragalot> O.O
[17:48:13] <Dmess> i lost 2 drive in the same machine a few weeks back i havent started to re-build it yet
[17:48:33] <K`zan> What a FRUGGING mess on that machine, sigh, SCREAM....
[17:48:53] <Dmess> relax
[17:49:22] <Dmess> smoke 1 if ya got it
[17:51:30] <fragalot> K`zan: it's linux based,.. everything can be fixed without a complete reinstall
[17:53:39] <K`zan> According to what the upgrade said, it was irreversable :-(.
[17:53:55] <K`zan> Lots of walking back and forth to that box ATM...
[17:54:02] <fragalot> o.0
[17:55:04] <K`zan> RElaxed, trying to back up my directory over there, box it brain dead - ancient with no floppy and no CDRW. Trying to get NFS to work but we'll see.
[17:55:25] <fragalot> heh :/
[17:55:59] <fragalot> I think i'll toy with the livecd a bit and see if i can get somesort of signal from my USB->serial adapter.. (gotta use a single-channel scope for SOMETHING, right?)à
[17:56:02] <K`zan> Unlike m$wincrap, you don't have to do much once you get things going under linux and thus you don't get the constant practice wipe/reinstalling LOL.
[17:56:12] <fragalot> yeah
[17:56:12] <fragalot> :p
[17:56:31] <fragalot> if all fails, you could still compile EMC from source and try to replace it with that >.>
[17:57:00] <fragalot> but, depending on wether a) I can find the EMC2 cd b) it has an IRC client, i'll brb
[18:09:41] <K`zan> Got my $HOME off so that much should be helpful, now to find the CD and reinstall it. and remember two things: "Newer is not necessarily better" and "While WORKING don't F with it"...
[18:10:14] <Dmess> yup
[18:10:46] <JymmmEMC> If you live on the bleeding edge, you ARE going to get cut!
[18:11:09] <JymmmEMC> K`zan: oh and.... DUH!
[18:26:57] <Dmess> the live cd doesn't even see either of my drives
[18:57:20] <alex_joni> Dmess: bummer.. which one?
[19:02:30] <Dmess> the linux box that ran ALL apt360 stuff... i could cry but it woulodnt help any...
[19:02:55] <alex_joni> no, I meant which livecd :)
[19:03:14] <Dmess> either 6.06 or the new 8.XX
[19:03:28] <alex_joni> hmm.. how about a stock 8.04 or 6.06 ?
[19:03:33] <alex_joni> without emc2 on it?
[19:03:55] <Dmess> it boots to cd in 6.06 but no hd's to be seen
[19:03:57] <alex_joni> also another thing to try is pass "all_generic_ide" as a boot param
[19:05:07] <Dmess> i think i always end up with that anyway
[19:06:39] <Dmess> im gonna get a new drive and start over for the lathe anyway..
[19:08:53] <Dmess> direct drive steppers with 6-8" on z and 6" dia. ... microstepping might be TOO fast ??? correct
[19:10:50] <stuste1> test cut on the cinci is here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35tHYaDUmZQ
[19:11:59] <stuste1> this is a short version - the full version is on www.mpm1.com:8080 (probably 8081 after this weekend) - it is a long download
[19:12:10] <DanielFalck> I'm there : )
[19:12:29] <DanielFalck> very cool Stuart!
[19:12:41] <stuste1> thanks
[19:13:05] <DanielFalck> thank you!
[19:13:34] <DanielFalck> did it pass inspection?
[19:13:39] <Dmess> Stu is this NCL code??
[19:13:51] <stuste1> don't know yet - yes this if from NCL
[19:13:55] <stuste1> is
[19:14:13] <Dmess> is the APT associative??
[19:14:27] <Dmess> or just goto/ 's
[19:14:28] <stuste1> yes it is
[19:15:03] <stuste1> the APT source code generated by NCL is just goto/'s
[19:15:21] <Dmess> so you could interpret a pl1=plane/0,0,0,1
[19:15:35] <Dmess> and drive to pl1
[19:16:00] <stuste1> yes - the source code that ran in NCL is www.mpm1.com:8080/cinci/cincitest.pp
[19:16:25] <Dmess> sorry pl1=plane/0,0,1,1
[19:17:23] <Dmess> very nicely done...
[19:17:34] <stuste1> thank you
[19:17:38] <Dmess> you guys need any programmers?
[19:17:40] <alex_joni> stuste1: looks great
[19:17:50] <stuste1> thanks alex
[19:17:51] <Dmess> or methods engineers
[19:18:14] <stuste1> we are always looking for good people
[19:18:41] <Dmess> here in Canada we cant touch a coolant nozzle anymore
[19:19:31] <Dmess> im a model to machine to part kinda guy... paper dwg's are a pain
[19:20:10] <Dmess> where are you located??
[19:20:19] <stuste1> why can't you touch a coolant nozzle?
[19:20:24] <stuste1> I am in Wichita, Kansas
[19:20:47] <Dmess> too close to the tool .. the BABIES might get hurt
[19:21:18] <Dmess> im in Toronto area... l/g stuff
[19:22:09] <Dmess> you guess the big 2 are 65 miles apart.. i work at the 1 in the east end
[19:24:02] <DanielFalck> stuste1: how many EMC2 controlled machines in your shop now?
[19:24:45] <stuste1> two machine currently
[19:24:49] <stuste1> machines
[19:25:09] <DanielFalck> the knee mill and this cinci 5 axis then?
[19:25:18] <stuste1> yes
[19:25:29] <Dmess> nicely DONE brother
[19:25:59] <stuste1> thanks
[19:26:28] <Dmess> now all you need is an integrated APT360 post and your GOLDEN onboard..
[19:26:52] <stuste1> you got it
[19:27:08] <Dmess> i had it... but its GONE
[19:27:59] <Dmess> we'll have to build it again
[19:28:29] <stuste1> I think I have it somewhere
[19:28:43] <Dmess> Daniel might still have IT
[19:28:47] <stuste1> prob
[19:29:16] <DanielFalck> Dmess: the post?
[19:29:54] <Dmess> mine was working sweetly.. the whole kit and kabuttle... is what he needs
[19:30:32] <DanielFalck> stuste1: are you running Ubuntu Hardy ?
[19:30:43] <Dmess> it has to run thru the apt360 processor to work with the post
[19:30:44] <stuste1> the machine is
[19:30:58] <DanielFalck> I can send you some binaries of apt360 and apt/sketch to try out, if you want
[19:31:07] <stuste1> I have both 6.06 and 8.04 in my office
[19:31:17] <DanielFalck> good deal
[19:31:48] <DanielFalck> you have apt360 running on the 8.04 box?
[19:31:55] <Dmess> you'll be impressed...
[19:32:05] <stuste1> not yet - I will load it
[19:33:45] <stuste1> bbl - honey do's I put off until I got the video published
[19:46:20] <tomp> stuste1 very nice, i wish i could think of a better name than C7 for your machine, its special too.
[19:46:25] <tomp> tho C7 seems to have a nice 50's scifi ring to it :)
[19:48:14] <tomp> heh, you're gonna get a lot people claiming to be the other of the 2 best lookin men
[20:40:31] <jepler> haha windows software installers http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/sizerequired.png
[20:42:02] <Dmess> i cant get my hacked Catia install to work on Vista... go figure.... LOL
[21:47:51] <jepler> hi fenn
[21:58:54] <tomp> heh these robots get stuff from warehouse to the order packer. they dont get the item, they bring the shelf :) http://www.kivasystems.com/index.html
[22:03:02] <fenn> hello. hurricane ike got me (see phone line under tree in foreground): http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0818.JPG
[22:08:14] <JymmmEMC> ouch
[22:08:43] <fenn> fortunately only the phone line was damaged
[22:09:09] <JymmmEMC> on cable huh?
[22:09:17] <fenn> DSL
[22:09:23] <JymmmEMC> dsl == phone
[22:09:34] <JymmmEMC> is the line on the ground still operating?
[22:09:45] <fenn> they repaired it today
[22:09:49] <JymmmEMC> ah, ok
[22:10:27] <JymmmEMC> That's ok, I used to have trash truck come by and take out the lines every week
[22:10:59] <JymmmEMC> it be hanging RIGHT in the middle of the street
[22:11:16] <JymmmEMC> any car that went by would hit the dangling cable
[22:12:10] <JymmmEMC> I had to install a higher mast than the roofline and the telco would raise the line up - bastards
[22:13:49] <JymmmEMC> hey, is yahoo screwing up for anyone?
[22:17:56] <fenn> some dropped and duplicate packets
[22:20:10] <JymmmEMC> I keep getting kicked off yahoo IM for the last couple of days
[22:20:39] <JymmmEMC> but just yahoo, not aol or irc or anyplace else
[22:23:55] <JymmmEMC> I can even get to your porn collection fenn
[22:24:08] <jepler> JymmmEMC: now that you mention it, I am too. (my yahoo client is bitlbee)
[22:24:29] <jepler> it's been happening a couple times a day for a few days
[22:24:36] <JymmmEMC> jepler: Ok, at least it's not JUSt me, and mine is pogden
[22:24:42] <jepler> starting on the 18th
[22:24:45] <JymmmEMC> pigdeon
[22:24:51] <jepler> bbl
[22:24:55] <JymmmEMC> hasta
[22:24:57] <jepler> fenn: glad the tree missed you
[22:25:17] <JymmmEMC> fenn: you have some lousy pron... http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0770.JPG
[22:26:05] <JymmmEMC> fenn: HF trim router and roller skate bearings.... for shame, for shame, for shame! lol
[22:27:53] <fenn> harrumph.
[22:28:01] <fenn> ok, the trim router sucks, but what's wrong with skate bearings?
[22:28:52] <JymmmEMC> fenn: Just you tried building your own like all the rest of us have using skate bearings and they are sitting in a box just like all of ours are =)
[22:29:14] <JymmmEMC> AOL settings page, this is funny...
[22:29:24] <JymmmEMC> Change Your Gender Help Your current Gender is shown below. If you wish to change it, select the desired Gender radio button and click the Continue button. Gender: Female    
[22:29:34] <fenn> what are the options?
[22:29:58] <JymmmEMC> Male & Female, but that they even OFFER that option =)
[22:30:47] <fenn> i have read several reports that indicate there are females that actually use the internet
[22:31:13] <JymmmEMC> Sure, but when do they chnage their gender on aol
[22:32:03] <JymmmEMC> I mena, there is a lot of TG's on freenode, but AOL?!
[22:37:40] <JymmmEMC> oh wow, you can use gmail to chat on AIM now.
[22:37:56] <fenn> will the miracles never cease
[22:39:04] <JymmmEMC> heh
[22:41:09] <JymmmEMC> well, I really like jabber, so I've been checking it out. I did put up a jabber server, but really havne't had time to play with it all that much
[22:42:28] <alex_joni> what did you use?
[22:42:33] <alex_joni> as the jabber server..
[22:42:52] <JymmmEMC> hang on i forget the name! lol
[22:43:00] <alex_joni> I used wildfire..
[22:43:05] <JymmmEMC> yeah that's it
[22:43:14] <alex_joni> one of the very few I could find 1-2 years ago, when I set it up
[22:43:18] <JymmmEMC> I had to ps aux to find out =)
[22:43:25] <alex_joni> java though, so I'm not that thrilled
[22:43:26] <JymmmEMC> openfire
[22:43:30] <JymmmEMC> not wildfire
[22:43:38] <alex_joni> aha, so there's an alternative :)
[22:43:41] <JymmmEMC> (same diff)
[22:43:56] <alex_joni> Openfire (formerly Wildfire) is a real time collaboration (RTC) server dual-licensed
[22:44:02] <JymmmEMC> yeah, openfire is free, no more commercial support for it either
[22:45:24] <JymmmEMC> I hate that it's java and uses XML, but love that it uses SSL
[22:46:03] <alex_joni> yeah, I had some pain with that
[22:46:17] <alex_joni> certain pidgin version on linux didn't want to talk to it
[22:46:27] <alex_joni> gaim on doze worked perfectly
[22:46:56] <JymmmEMC> weird, my pidgeon client supports it but I'm using gtalk and jabber.org for the servers (not my own server)
[22:47:27] <alex_joni> does gtalk work with any other server than google's ?
[22:47:59] <JymmmEMC> it'll allow you to communicate with any other jabber server
[22:48:15] <JymmmEMC> I'm talking to myself from gtalk to me on jabber.org
[22:49:53] <alex_joni> hmm.. nice :)
[22:49:58] <alex_joni> how do you add yourself then ?
[22:50:10] <JymmmEMC> What I like/hate about jabber is that you can be logged in from multipe locations, but not all the locations will receive the messages. So if you are at /work and have /home runnning and someone msg you, it might hit /home befor eit'll hit /work
[22:50:46] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni[ a t ]gmail.com
[22:50:59] <alex_joni> how about the other direction?
[22:51:04] <alex_joni> and it's a . not a _
[22:51:05] <JymmmEMC> same thing
[22:51:12] <alex_joni> foo@ip ?
[22:51:23] <JymmmEMC> sure
[22:51:53] <alex_joni> nice
[22:51:54] <JymmmEMC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber
[22:52:22] <JymmmEMC> jabber is jabber, not restrict to same server, unless that option in enabled.
[22:53:30] <JymmmEMC> technically it's you@yourdomain.tld/instance where instance could be /home /work /winbox /lappy etc
[22:54:11] <JymmmEMC> but, I've found that alphabetical trumps sometimes
[22:54:39] <JymmmEMC> instead of most resently used instance
[22:55:52] <alex_joni> heh. I only use it locally :)
[22:55:59] <alex_joni> been working a treat so far
[22:56:23] <JymmmEMC> I've used it to msg myself lickeys between machines =)
[22:56:48] <alex_joni> 2006-04-20 20:13 wildfire_2_6_2.tar.gz
[22:56:57] <JymmmEMC> biglongassstupidobnoxiouslicensekeystoactivethesoftwarethatnowayillremember
[22:57:01] <alex_joni> seems it's been 2+ years in service
[22:57:11] <JymmmEMC> heh
[22:59:47] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: you just use it in-house?
[22:59:55] <alex_joni> yeah
[23:00:07] <alex_joni> restricted to this server
[23:00:21] <JymmmEMC> if it has access to the world, you can talk to another server too
[23:00:29] <JymmmEMC> or from another server that is
[23:00:30] <alex_joni> sure, but I don't want that :)
[23:01:54] <JymmmEMC> hmmm, looks liek one can use GPG to encypt messages too.
[23:02:03] <JymmmEMC> as opposed to s/mime
[23:03:47] <alex_joni> well.. off to bed for me :)
[23:03:48] <alex_joni> night all
[23:03:54] <JymmmEMC> G'night alex