#emc | Logs for 2008-08-20

[01:25:19] <jmkasunich> ick - compound angles
[02:31:41] <pminmo_> anybody around that can tell me how to get an installed application to show in the applications drop down?
[02:33:00] <SWPadnos> are you making a package and you want the program to show up in the menu, or are you trying to add an installed application to the menu
[02:33:02] <SWPadnos> ?
[02:33:34] <pminmo_> making an installed program show up in the menu
[02:34:00] <SWPadnos> there's a menu editor - it may be in System->Preferences, or maybe just right-click on the menu
[02:34:30] <pminmo_> according to synaptics the application is installed but I want to be able to get to it from the menu
[02:35:06] <SWPadnos> right. to do that, you may need to manually add a menu item, which is done with the menu editor AFAIR
[02:35:27] <pminmo_> it doesn't show up in the menu editor
[02:36:33] <SWPadnos> hrmmm. there should be a way to add another application, like a command-line app
[02:36:59] <pminmo_> its xmms2 a meida player
[02:37:06] <pminmo_> media
[02:37:16] <SWPadnos> ah - I think I had the same problem. I added it to the top panel instead ;)
[02:37:18] <mozmck> I believe you need to put a .desktop entry in /usr/share/applications
[02:38:01] <pminmo_> ok how? I'm not even in linux preschool yet...:-(
[02:38:02] <SWPadnos> sure, if you have the desktop file, then just copy it to one of the standard locations (/usr/share/..., ~/Desktop/something/or/other...)
[02:38:04] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:38:38] <SWPadnos> adding to the panel is easy, right-click on the panel and select "add application"
[02:38:40] <SWPadnos> or similar
[02:39:04] <SWPadnos> that'll give you a list of apps, but I think there's a button for "other application"
[02:39:43] <pminmo_> custom application launcher
[02:39:45] <pminmo_> ?
[02:39:49] <mozmck> yes
[02:40:00] <SWPadnos> could be. I'm not at a Linux machine at the moment so I can't checl
[02:40:02] <SWPadnos> check
[02:40:25] <pminmo_> what would be the command to launch it?
[02:40:30] <mozmck> you can create it on the desktop by right click and "create launcher"
[02:40:32] <SWPadnos> xmms
[02:40:47] <mozmck> iirc, xmms2 is different
[02:41:22] <SWPadnos> xmms2 then ;)
[02:41:35] <mozmck> :-)
[02:41:52] <mozmck> actually, it's a server, and the clients are something else
[02:42:17] <SWPadnos> hmmm. lemme see what mine says - hold on while I boot the laptop
[02:42:32] <mozmck> I can't remember what any of the clients are right now, but they must be installed separately
[02:42:39] <pminmo_> ok maybe I'm confused (probably...) I wanted a music player that would handle wma files
[02:42:48] <SWPadnos> get windows
[02:42:57] <mozmck> mplayer should do about anything
[02:43:39] <pminmo_> this is a dual boot computer now, and I just want to be able to play my existing wma files that are on ntfs volums
[02:43:43] <pminmo_> volumes
[02:44:11] <mozmck> check this site out: http://www.medibuntu.org/
[02:44:19] <SWPadnos> you didn't enable DRM did you?
[02:44:22] <pminmo_> when I'm learning ubuntu....
[02:44:43] <pminmo_> drm?
[02:44:44] <mozmck> you can add the repositories from there and install libraries to play about anything
[02:44:52] <mozmck> on the wma files...
[02:44:55] <SWPadnos> MS calls it "Digital Rights Management
[02:44:57] <SWPadnos> "
[02:45:07] <SWPadnos> smart people call it "Digital Restrictions Management"
[02:45:17] <mozmck> :/
[02:45:19] <pminmo_> yes, but in ubuntu did I have to do/not do something?
[02:45:48] <pminmo_> it's basically the 8.04/emc installed setup
[02:46:04] <pminmo_> I've added a few packages
[02:46:43] <pminmo_> the only way I'm going to get comfortable with linux is to drive it for a while
[02:47:03] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I guess I have xmms installed, not xmms2
[02:47:25] <SWPadnos> this is 7.10, and I can easily create a new launcher in the menu editor
[02:47:54] <mozmck> yeah, I wished I hadn't gone to xmms2 after I figured out what it was :(
[02:48:14] <SWPadnos> I click the "new item" button, and it gives me the "create launcher" dialog
[02:50:38] <mozmck> the menu editor is called "alacarte" in synaptic, I don't know if it's installed by default
[02:50:48] <pminmo_> synaptic says mplayer is a video player?
[02:50:56] <SWPadnos> it is
[02:51:08] <SWPadnos> I haven't had good luck with mplayer
[02:51:12] <mozmck> yeah, it plays everything.
[02:51:31] <SWPadnos> vlc seems to have a lot lower CPU utilization - maybe my mplayer doesn't use video acceleration
[02:51:42] <mozmck> hmmm, I haven't had a problem. I do have problems with the default totem player though at times
[02:51:49] <SWPadnos> yep, that too
[02:52:01] <mozmck> i forgot about vlc, it was good last time I used it
[02:52:19] <pminmo_> installing mplayer now see how it goes
[02:52:28] <mozmck> I think the main package you need from medibuntu is w32codecs
[02:52:29] <JymmmEMC> VLC uses built in codecs.
[02:52:37] <SWPadnos> there is a wma plugin for xmms also (vs xmms2)
[02:53:26] <JymmmEMC> sudo apt-get install vlc =)
[02:54:27] <SWPadnos> gui pointy clicky synaptic clicky clicky clicky
[02:54:31] <pminmo_> mplayer looks like it doesn't like my ntfs mounted drives?
[02:54:39] <SWPadnos> it shouldn't care
[02:55:19] <mozmck> ah, looks like gxmms2 and xmms2tray may be the frontend for xmms2
[02:57:15] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: too slow
[02:57:29] <SWPadnos> ?
[02:57:35] <JymmmEMC> mouse
[02:57:43] <JymmmEMC> shell baby shell
[02:58:00] <SWPadnos> unless you need to pointy clicky to get to a terminal in the first place ;)
[02:58:46] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: CTRL+ALT+F1;sudo apt-get install vlc;CTRL+ALT+F7
[02:59:00] <SWPadnos> well I know that, but THEY don't ;)
[02:59:06] <JymmmEMC> they do now
[02:59:22] <SWPadnos> remember, this is Linux EEE (Early Essential Education, before preschool ;) )
[02:59:23] <mozmck> or to confuse things more, CTRL+F7 to get back :-)
[02:59:38] <SWPadnos> right - the ALT is only needed while you're in X
[02:59:56] <SWPadnos> or ALT-Mright arrow> several times :)
[03:00:01] <SWPadnos> s/M/</
[03:00:02] <JohnJ> Better login in after the CTRL+ALT+F1 first!
[03:00:36] <pminmo_> I got xmms2 tray up but no way to select files?
[03:00:36] <JymmmEMC> yeah, use MAN LOGIN at the login prompt
[03:01:05] <mozmck> there should be an option to launch gxmms2
[03:01:56] <mozmck> ... or abraca. looks like that's another frontend
[03:04:27] <mozmck> yuck, I don't like either interface and I can't get them to play anything...
[03:05:36] <pminmo_> am I still connected?
[03:05:48] <mozmck> looks like to me
[03:08:20] <pminmo_> says it can't get the connection to the xmms2 daemon
[03:09:21] <pminmo_> now I have two icons and neither will respond
[03:10:08] <pminmo_> hidden message, but still can't connect oh well
[03:10:11] <mozmck> in a terminal run "xmms2-launcher"
[03:10:25] <mozmck> that starts the server
[03:10:33] <mozmck> then you can run gxmms2
[03:10:40] <pminmo_> startup failed
[03:11:00] <mozmck> hmmm, don't know about that.
[03:14:03] <mozmck> try getting the w32codecs from medibuntu. I think "Movie Player" will play most anything then. Movie Player is the default player for sound files on my machine for some reason.
[03:14:23] <mozmck> I don't have any wma to try though...
[03:15:04] <pminmo_> i think I'm gonna skip music for now......
[03:15:33] <fenn> does ubuntu even have xmms? (not xmms2)
[03:16:06] <pminmo_> xmms doesn't show up in a synaptics search, says it's outdated
[03:16:16] <pminmo_> by xmms2
[03:16:39] <fenn> too bad
[03:16:57] <mozmck> yeah, xmms2 doesn't seem to have a decent client at all
[03:18:49] <mozmck> you could try realplayer 10. I downloaded a wma test file and it opened by default in realplayer which played it fine.
[03:21:45] <JohnJ> What are you trying to play?
[03:24:16] <pminmo_> wma files
[03:24:59] <pminmo_> just downloaded realplayer for linux will see if I can get it running
[03:25:58] <JohnJ> There are different versions of wma. The older versions will typically play pretty well under mplayer or vlc. I personally think vlc is much better. Especially on a machine with a weak processor since it tends to load the cpu less.
[03:27:51] <JohnJ> I think it was mentioned above somebody else has had a similar experience.
[03:30:01] <JohnJ> I don't know if helix player is being developed any longer or not. It is supposed to be an open source Real Player clone.
[03:34:40] <JohnJ> Yeah it's still around. You might want to look here ==> https://player.helixcommunity.org/
[03:37:06] <pminmo_> aargh, got realplayer "installed" shows up in the menu, but says it "failed to execute child process"
[03:37:46] <pminmo_> forget linux preschool, i'm back to a crawling infant
[03:38:05] <pminmo_> getting close to the linux womb
[03:38:25] <SWPadnos> somebody needs to change your Linux diaper ;)
[03:38:33] <cradek> realplayer != linux
[03:38:49] <cradek> closed source software that supports linux as an afterthought is always a pain in the neck
[03:38:54] <SWPadnos> I wonder if the underlying audio driver layer is working correctly
[03:38:55] <pminmo_> haven't gotten to a point of needing a diaper yet
[03:39:25] <cradek> (however I see there's a realplayer package in multiverse)
[03:39:39] <cradek> it is probably the installer, and it downloads for you or something
[03:39:45] <fenn> realplayer has always sucked on any platform
[03:39:58] <pminmo_> all i wanna do is play the wma files on my ntfs volumes.....
[03:40:33] <SWPadnos> not to be mean, but that translates to "all i want to do is play a proprietary file format stored on a proprietary filesystem"
[03:41:00] <SWPadnos> I'm sure xmms will do it, and I use it daily to play mp3 files
[03:41:06] <JohnJ> You should consider copying one of the wma files to you linux box and see if it plays. If it does, you may have a right permission problem accessing the files on the ntfs share.
[03:41:09] <pminmo_> yea, but thats the universe I'm comming from
[03:41:12] <SWPadnos> (not xmms2, which I've just learned is very different ;) )
[03:41:14] <cradek> maybe you could convert them to ogg
[03:42:28] <pminmo_> what was that
[03:42:33] <SWPadnos> net split
[03:42:46] <cradek> a netsplit is a change in the way the various irc servers talk amongst themselves
[03:42:54] <fenn> a historical feature :)
[03:43:34] <pminmo_> I'm starting to fear the "blue screen of death" less..........
[03:44:31] <cradek> it's hard when you still have data locked up in proprietary formats. it takes some work and some time to become free.
[03:44:48] <pminmo_> 4 different pc installs of 8.04 and each has been an "experience"...........
[03:45:19] <pminmo_> this one won't start rtai
[03:45:37] <pminmo_> so I thought I would play music :-(
[03:45:49] <cradek> are you asking for help? if so let's see the error message
[03:46:23] <cradek> rtai I can help with, wma not so much :-)
[03:47:13] <pminmo_> http://pastebin.com/m2eb62523
[03:47:55] <pminmo_> I hadn't gotten to the help request yet, thought I'd play music 1st............
[03:47:57] <cradek> your 'stepper' config is incomplete. it is missing the nml file
[03:48:15] <SWPadnos> music to debug RTAI by
[03:48:25] <cradek> it's not an rtai problem, it's an incomplete emc config
[03:48:28] <SWPadnos> (or in this case, music to copy an NML file by)
[03:48:31] <cradek> how did you make the config?
[03:48:57] <pminmo_> not on this one, I just wanted to run one of the sim configs
[03:49:18] <cradek> you're running a stepper config in your home directory
[03:49:36] <cradek> run emc, open up the sample configs, run sim/axis
[03:50:33] <pminmo_> same issue
[03:51:14] <pminmo_> http://pastebin.com/m130b90ca
[03:52:07] <SWPadnos> that's also loading from your home dir. how did the config get there?
[03:52:41] <pminmo_> nevermind
[03:52:44] <SWPadnos> if you downloaded a tarball from CVS or just copied the files from a sample config, you're missing a few files
[03:53:13] <pminmo_> didn't scroll down far enough
[03:53:48] <SWPadnos> I didn't?
[03:53:59] <pminmo_> now is time for a diaper change
[03:54:03] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:54:33] <SWPadnos> can you try running one of the sample configs?
[03:55:37] <pminmo_> live cd install, wouldn't have a clue as to how to build via cvs. sample config runs
[03:56:00] <SWPadnos> ok, great! :)
[05:02:37] <LawrenceG> cradek, Hi Chris.... I am working on some additions to ttt
[05:11:48] <LawrenceG> cradek, http://imagebin.ca/view/Uvyoijy.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/EcKDCxr0.html some char spacing improvements for engraving
[05:13:09] <LawrenceG> cradek, since we cut on the lines instead of inside the lines, the chars need more spacing
[05:14:52] <LawrenceG> cradek, also added gcode vars for x and y offset, so the resulting gcode file can be moved easily..... tomorrow I want to add rotation in gcode
[05:15:58] <LawrenceG> goodnight all
[05:16:20] <CanSir> Is there a way in EMC to make whatever the machines current x and y positions are the x=0 and y=0 positions for the job?
[05:17:56] <LawrenceG> yes... several.... if you dont have home switches, homeing on the axis display will zero the axis at the current position, or use one of the work offsets
[05:19:18] <CanSir> Thanks! I'll have to play with that. I don't have home switches and the one time I pressed the "home" button in AXIS, it started trying to find home.
[05:19:33] <LawrenceG> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?CoordinateSystems
[05:20:52] <LawrenceG> there may be better pages on the wiki as well... also the user docs either online or installed with your system should help with a little digging
[05:22:49] <CanSir> Great! Thanks Lawrence.
[05:23:54] <CanSir> I'm not looking for how, but I was wondering if it's also possible to program a button in AXIS that will execute a series of gcode commands?
[05:24:16] <LawrenceG> no problem... I still havent got my head around using the various co-ordinate systems..... my projects usually have the ll corner as 0,0,0 and I jog there and home each axis there
[05:24:33] <LawrenceG> then run
[05:25:40] <toastydeath> gee fiddy four
[05:25:42] <LawrenceG> you probably need to ask jepler when he is around
[05:27:02] <LawrenceG> since emx/axis is open source "anything is possible", I am just not sure how long it would take to do it!
[06:01:26] <CanSir> Can anyone tell me where hal pin MUX4 comes from? I'm trying to following some joypad instructions, but EMC crashes when it encounters the line "setp mux4.0.in0 0".
[06:07:53] <micges> morning
[06:08:40] <CanSir> morning. (I'm not sure anybody else is really around at the moment)
[06:11:03] <CanSir> You wouldn't happen to be an EMC guru would you micges?
[06:11:05] <dgarr> CanSir: in a terminal try: man mux4 -- you may need to add loadrt mux4 ... and addf mux4.n ... to your hal file
[06:13:45] <CanSir> Thanks dgarr. The instructions appeared to be pretty thorough, but they must have left out the loadrt mux4 part. I never thought to try a "man mux4".
[06:17:06] <dgarr> yes -- there are man pages for all hal items (i think) - look in /usr/share/man/man9 to see their names
[06:17:06] <CanSir> One final dumb question from me tonight. On the AXIS display, I see a "Home All" and a "Touch-Off" button, but I don't see the "Home" button menioned in the documentation. Am I just not lookin in the right spot?
[06:20:07] <dgarr> i don't know -- the gui I use, tkemc, has a home button
[06:21:50] <CanSir> Maybe that's all it is - there simply isn't one on the AXIS display. I'll dig around some more and maybe ask the question again another night.
[06:26:28] <CanSir> I found the answer to my own question regarding how to add "gcode macro" buttons to AXIS. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Adding_Custom_MDI_Buttons
[08:08:14] <pjm> good morning
[08:08:27] <pjm> anyone else having problems accessing wiki.linuxcnc.org?
[08:14:05] <archivist_ub> dead here as well
[08:35:25] <pjm> ok thanks for checking
[08:35:35] <pjm> btw did u have any further thoughts on the linear rail?
[08:36:11] <archivist_ub> I fancy it, price? how far to colect?
[08:36:32] <pjm> well i'm in poole
[08:36:37] <archivist_ub> hmm toy on epay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARDINGE-GN6-SERIES-CNC-LATHE-CHNC-CHUCKING-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ230281682763QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230281682763&_trkparms=72%3A1121|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
[08:36:40] <pjm> well wimborne in dorset
[08:36:48] <pjm> and as for price, well i'm open to offers!
[08:37:13] <pjm> it basically came off a CNC multicam engraving machine that I fished out of a skip
[08:37:27] <pjm> and use the parts to make my cnc milling m/c
[08:38:10] <pjm> yeah that is a nice lathe
[08:38:12] <alex_joni> pjm: seems *.linuxcnc.org is down
[08:38:30] <pjm> alex_joni ok thanks! I'd not got round to checking the rest of the domain
[08:38:52] <pjm> i was just gonna read up on adding gcode macros to axis
[08:39:02] <pjm> as it looks a useful feature
[08:40:11] <pjm> archivist_ub i looked for some 2nd hand machine tool suppliers around here, but there are none. years ago me dad got me a cnc controller that used nixie tubes and punch tape
[08:40:22] <alex_joni> actually you add MDI commands to halui
[08:40:23] <pjm> but even tho it lit up, it was just to strip down for parts
[08:40:30] <alex_joni> in AXIS you just have a button that activates them
[08:40:48] <pjm> alex_joni ahh ok thanks, i need to look into this side more now i have the hardware finished
[08:41:41] <pjm> i have on my list to add; a single step button, and pots/etc to control feed / speed override
[08:41:59] <pjm> and of course a remote mpg pendant
[08:44:19] <archivist_ub> after an absolute age, rac routplanner, 184 miles :((
[08:44:33] <pjm> ehh
[08:44:43] <pjm> so probably easier to post some how, or at least cheaper
[08:44:57] <pjm> are u near warwick?
[08:45:03] <pjm> i go to our office there sometimes
[08:45:48] <archivist_ub> 30-40 miles north of warwick could meet there
[08:46:04] <pjm> ah ok so thats do-able, ok well i'm back at 'work' tommorow
[08:46:13] <alex_joni> pjm: encoders for feed/speed override
[08:46:18] <pjm> so will see what is in the planner, and let u know, it should be within a couple of weeks
[08:46:19] <alex_joni> pots won't work
[08:46:41] <pjm> alex_joni ok so simple quadrature encoders for those controls then?
[08:46:46] <alex_joni> yup
[08:46:54] <alex_joni> then everybody is happy
[08:47:04] <alex_joni> because you have lots of places where FO can be changed
[08:47:11] <alex_joni> GUI, halui, physical button, etc
[08:47:15] <pjm> ok cool, i had in the back of my mind a thought to use the game port, but hadnt looked into it to be honest..
[08:47:28] <pjm> yeah i guess that makes more sense to use encoders
[08:47:32] <alex_joni> if you have a pot, then it's a fixed position
[08:47:48] <pjm> yeah sure, encoders it is then
[08:47:51] <alex_joni> so if you then change FO from a GUI it won't match what it says
[08:48:17] <pjm> i have some cheap 64ppr ones that are in the same form factor as a 10turn pot
[08:48:27] <alex_joni> sounds perfect
[08:48:35] <alex_joni> what do you use for motion control?
[08:48:41] <alex_joni> parport/special HW?
[08:48:48] <pjm> parport at the moment
[08:49:02] <alex_joni> then you probably need 1-2 more
[08:49:19] <pjm> well, funnily enough i bought a 2 port pci parport on ebay last night
[08:49:31] <pjm> as i was just thinking about the lack of pins on the current port
[08:50:03] <pjm> so for the mpg pendant i'll probably buy one of them ones from cnc4pc and use the pendant code on the wiki
[08:50:04] <alex_joni> I think 8 is the limit currently
[08:50:18] <alex_joni> for parports
[08:50:33] <alex_joni> but maybe a 5i20 is interesting then
[08:50:42] <pjm> its a pity that these dig-64 cards i got here are unsupported by anything modern, they have plenty of IO but writing a driver is beyond me
[08:50:54] <alex_joni> how many do you have?
[08:51:04] <pjm> a dozen or so
[08:51:08] <alex_joni> and what interface are they on?
[08:51:12] <pjm> ah
[08:51:13] <pjm> ISA
[08:51:23] <alex_joni> got any ISA pc's around?
[08:51:28] <pjm> yep
[08:51:32] <pjm> the one that runs emc
[08:51:33] <alex_joni> lucky you :P
[08:51:38] <pjm> has a single ISA slot
[08:52:01] <pjm> so they are probably crap, but they have a lot of opto's / relays on, so probably too good to bin
[08:52:12] <alex_joni> http://www.bluechiptechnology.co.uk/products.php?part_id=33 ?
[08:52:34] <pjm> yeah that is it
[08:53:02] <pjm> i got them from some crappy 486 control PC's that were dumped at the local scrap yard
[08:53:17] <pjm> there was a heap of them, so i took all the ones that were in one piece
[08:53:46] <pjm> they had taken the hdd's out tho, so i couldnt see how the driver was implemented
[08:53:51] <alex_joni> maybe you can ring those folks up for some software
[08:54:19] <alex_joni> http://www.bluechiptechnology.co.uk/support_popup.php?product_dir=products/Data_Acqusition/End_of_Life_Products_-_Non_RoHS/DIG-64
[08:54:19] <pjm> well they have a sample windows driver
[08:54:35] <alex_joni> maybe they are willing to OSS it, now that the card is end of life
[08:54:38] <pjm> i did play with a linux driver for the IO chip and got some sence out of it
[08:55:31] <alex_joni> although the board has 2 8255 on it
[08:55:42] <alex_joni> so it should be fairly easy to port one of the 8255 drivers from emc
[08:56:55] <pjm> yeah the card addressing scheme etc is documented so i guess its do-able
[08:57:01] <alex_joni> maybe the manual is enough to read stuff from it
[08:57:15] <archivist_ub> seems doable
[08:57:33] <alex_joni> pjm: send one over to archivist_ub, he volunteered to write a driver
[08:57:43] <pjm> hehh ok good idea ;-)
[08:57:56] <pjm> well i have enough cards so i can send them to anyone that wants one!
[08:58:37] <alex_joni> well.. shipping over here is probably a bit much
[08:58:52] <pjm> u in the usa?
[08:58:55] <archivist_ub> I just happen to have ISA slots in this box
[08:59:02] <alex_joni> pjm: nope, eastern europe
[08:59:11] <pjm> ah cool i was in poland a couple of weeks back
[08:59:21] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is in romania
[08:59:32] <pjm> schweet, never been there... its on my list tho
[08:59:46] <pjm> anyway as i said, if u want one i will happily post!
[08:59:55] <pjm> i have a pile that will just rot here otherwise
[09:00:04] <pjm> they have 16 mercury wetted relays on
[09:00:07] <pjm> and some opto's etc
[09:00:19] <pjm> so even for parts they are ok, and the relays are even in sockets!
[09:00:25] <pjm> no expense spared
[09:01:31] <archivist_ub> I should practice writing drivers, keep my coding head enabled
[09:03:13] <pjm> ok well these cards make an idea thing to practice with
[09:05:55] <pjm> also i have a heap of solid state relays here, 3-32vdc in and will switch 32A at 250vac
[09:06:02] <pjm> so if anyone needs any, just let me know
[09:07:12] <archivist_ub> they sound useful
[09:11:43] <pjm> yeah they are crydom magnetics ones, i'll get a part #
[09:13:25] <alex_joni> pjm: well if you don't mind, send one over
[09:14:03] <alex_joni> I wonder what happened to the PC I used while writing the STG driver
[09:16:46] <pjm> alex_joni ok please can u mail your postal address details to pjm@uhf-satcom.com
[09:18:20] <pjm> archivist_ub http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320285095954 is the same as these ssr's except my ones dont have a led!
[09:19:06] <alex_joni> pjm: sent
[09:19:47] <pjm> oh also i have 3 X brand new power-one 48v 3.1a smpsu's if anyone needs them for motors etc
[09:20:12] <pjm> i'm trying to tidy up!
[09:22:17] <archivist_ub> tidy! I dont understand
[09:23:10] <pjm> hehh well i have too much crap
[09:23:12] <archivist_ub> Im going to have to to make room for stuff here back at home
[09:23:15] <pjm> from hoarding for years
[09:23:37] <pjm> and my 6year old son is starting to become a hoarder
[09:23:43] <pjm> so i have to make room for his crap too!
[09:25:37] <archivist_ub> being single, my hoarding is erm uncontrolled.....
[09:25:49] <pjm> ah excellent
[09:26:02] <pjm> yes i used to be the same, but now the missus 'tidys' things away
[09:26:06] <pjm> and i never see them again
[09:26:23] <pjm> i'm convinced that she chucks stuff out in the bin
[09:26:34] <pjm> then blames me for loosing it in the stuff everywhere
[09:26:42] <archivist_ub> "you never use that"
[09:27:01] <pjm> yes exactly
[09:27:07] <pjm> utter twaddle
[09:27:28] <archivist_ub> * archivist_ub trying to find a cutter atm
[09:38:22] <alex_joni> pjm: got it?
[09:40:17] <fragalot> pjm: send a few here if you got that many spare cards ^_^$
[09:47:35] <pjm> alex_joni yeah just got it
[09:47:40] <pjm> fragalot send me your address
[09:49:52] <fragalot> pjm: how much is shipping to Belgium ?
[10:05:39] <alex_joni> fragalot: ups payed by destination
[10:05:40] <alex_joni> :P
[10:07:04] <fragalot> haha
[10:07:17] <fragalot> Need to know if my wallet allows it
[10:07:18] <fragalot> :p
[10:14:55] <acemi> when I use mesa 7i43, do I need a servo driver?
[10:39:22] <alex_joni> acemi: yes
[10:39:44] <alex_joni> the 7i43 only generates the analog voltages and counts the encoders
[10:39:56] <alex_joni> but you need the servo drives that drive the motors
[10:40:10] <alex_joni> or maybe I didn't understand what you are asking?
[10:40:22] <acemi> hmm thanks alex_joni
[10:40:54] <acemi> I want to learn what you explain
[10:41:26] <fragalot> Teach him, oh mighty alex_joni
[10:41:30] <alex_joni> acemi: it depends if you have servos or steppers
[10:41:38] <alex_joni> fragalot: I doubt I can teach acemi much :P
[10:42:02] <fragalot> btw, if it's stepper motors, why does every CNC manufacturer call them servo's?
[10:42:16] <fragalot> it's something that has puzzled me for ages
[10:42:19] <alex_joni> acemi: in both cases (servo and stepper) the 7i43 acts as a motion card
[10:42:40] <alex_joni> the output is either a PWM (that you can convert to a voltage) for servos
[10:42:44] <acemi> alex_joni: I confused because of the encoders, but I seee now
[10:42:50] <alex_joni> or step/dir that is used for steppers
[10:42:52] <pjm> fragalot i will find out re .be postage
[10:43:05] <fragalot> pjm: *g*
[10:43:09] <alex_joni> fragalot: seen the machines acemi has built?
[10:43:46] <alex_joni> fragalot: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Videos <- look for acemi
[10:44:12] <fragalot> pfft? that's it? :'( *wants*
[10:44:19] <fragalot> :p
[10:48:55] <Vq^> neato
[10:49:38] <Vq^> makes me think i should send in a video of mine and bigeyes 7 axis tapping machine...
[10:49:52] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiIWU7H7iKI <-- i'd be /VERY/ happy if i got this working, even if its a small scale one, lol
[10:50:00] <fragalot> just waiting for some spare time to work on it
[10:51:35] <fragalot> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5ok5yn1dA&NR=1e *dreams* looks simple to you guys... It.. is simple, but meh.. but it's JUST BEYOND my reach atm :p
[11:00:14] <fragalot> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=S7noXI530RU&feature=related <-- this is crazy... 3D Printed object, and the gears WORK, right out of the box
[11:00:17] <fragalot> :/
[11:34:04] <BigJohnT_> BigJohnT_ is now known as BigJohnT
[11:35:05] <pjm> alex_joni ok that is posted
[11:43:44] <alex_joni> pjm: huh, that was quick
[11:43:49] <alex_joni> do you run the post office ?
[11:44:42] <pjm> its only about 100m up the road
[11:44:48] <pjm> so a 3 min walk
[11:45:12] <pjm> and i had to go there to get an ice-cream anyway
[11:45:34] <pjm> the surface mail took 8 weeks so i thought bugger than and sent it airmail
[11:45:42] <archivist_ub> I like the ice cream excuse
[11:46:13] <alex_joni> pjm: hope it wasn't too expensive
[11:46:22] <archivist_ub> 10 pack of chocices dont last long
[11:47:11] <pjm> alex_joni no it was very cheap
[11:47:22] <pjm> so hopefully u can do something cool with the card
[11:47:58] <archivist_ub> I downloaded the manual for the card, all seems to be there
[11:49:01] <pjm> do u want me to post u one too?
[11:49:09] <pjm> if so send me your post address
[11:49:34] <archivist_ub> I can wait till we meet for the rail
[11:50:33] <pjm> okey dokey
[11:51:20] <pjm> it wound certainly be handy to be able to use these cards with emc
[11:51:35] <pjm> especially all that input! i can have button for every function
[11:52:00] <pjm> ah btw i also found a heidenhain me101 in my crap that i dont need
[11:52:18] <archivist_ub> I bought a couple of pci parport cards at the computer fair a few weeks ago
[11:53:34] <archivist_ub> ew a tape reader
[11:54:32] <pjm> hehh yes
[11:54:38] <pjm> crap as i said
[11:54:45] <pjm> seems a pity to chuck it out tho
[11:55:29] <archivist_ub> theres one on epay for £69 or best offer!!!
[11:58:27] <pjm> wow
[11:58:45] <pjm> i dont know if i could suffer the trauma of selling it on ebay
[12:00:00] <archivist_ub> hmm that seller has a few other interesting bits
[12:00:45] <archivist_ub> I need to make a paupers version of this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIKKEN-5AX-300-ROTARY-TILT-TABLE_W0QQitemZ380054580020QQihZ025QQcategoryZ633QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
[12:05:30] <SWPadnos__> SWPadnos__ is now known as SWPadnos
[12:08:51] <Guest360> Guest360 is now known as skunkworks_
[12:11:23] <pjm> yes that is a nice rotary table
[12:11:29] <pjm> a bit big for my machine tho
[12:16:15] <archivist_ub> that weighs many times my machine
[13:41:27] <fragalot> aparently, I closed my screen session. :'(
[13:43:28] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[13:43:33] <alex_joni> 14:13 -!- fragalot [n=thomas@gentoo/user/FamousToaster] has quit [Remote closed
[13:43:33] <alex_joni> the connection]
[13:43:44] <alex_joni> fragalot: 2h ago
[13:44:07] <fragalot> indeed.
[13:44:19] <fragalot> my irssi window list is all messed up
[13:44:29] <fragalot> this channel used to be on window 31, now it's 45 :'(
[13:44:34] <alex_joni> haha
[13:44:36] <fragalot> /window move 31
[13:44:38] <fragalot> wups
[13:45:11] <alex_joni> fragalot: you have a couple of windows
[13:45:17] <fragalot> apparently
[13:45:18] <fragalot> :)
[13:45:46] <alex_joni> http://eneas.juve.ro/~juve/stuff/302210/IMG_0159.JPG
[13:46:35] <fragalot> planning on making a big lathe?
[13:52:02] <SWPadnos> hey - those guys should be working, not just sitting around!
[14:07:32] <Guest360> do the slides get covered somehow?
[14:07:38] <Guest360> Guest360 is now known as skunkworks_
[14:11:39] <alex_joni> skunkworks_: yeah
[14:12:10] <fragalot> eventually they will be covered with pants from people that got stuck under it
[14:12:25] <alex_joni> there are some bent metal sheets that protect the ways
[14:12:31] <alex_joni> fragalot: not a lathe
[14:12:44] <fragalot> alex_joni: :) was worth the guess
[14:12:56] <skunkworks_> heh
[14:13:35] <fragalot> (so.. what IS it?)
[14:14:04] <alex_joni> welding robot
[14:14:10] <fragalot> ah, cool
[14:14:40] <fragalot> I made a few purely mechanical ones to make tanks with a friend over at his company (he retired now and is trying to sell them)
[14:15:07] <fragalot> well I didn't do anything, i only met him later, but it's more fun telling people I made it and stealing credit >.>
[14:16:34] <fragalot> he's got a guillotine, bigass sheet bender, rollers to make round tanks (which welds it automatically), stamp to make the sides, and 2 welders to make the round & square tanks
[14:28:19] <pjmemc> hi, can i just ask a quick Q about panel.xml ?
[14:29:47] <pjmemc> i need to enable the axis front end to look for and display panel.xml in the gui, but i dont want to re-run stepconf to do it, anyone happen to know the line that stepconf adds to the ini to turn this on?
[14:32:36] <alex_joni> bbl
[14:33:48] <SWPadnos> did you leave the option for a custom panel checked in stepconf?
[14:33:59] <fenn> pjmemc: i think you need something like [DISPLAY] PYVCP = panel.xml in your .ini file
[14:34:04] <SWPadnos> if so, all you need to do is rename the file to custom.xml (I think)
[14:34:40] <SWPadnos> yep, or you can edit the ini file, but that will prevent you from using stepconf to change this config in the future (or you'll lose the changes you made)
[14:35:10] <fenn> i like swp's way better
[14:51:10] <pjmemc> fenn, SWPadnos ok thanks, that line was just what i needed, I didnt have it selected in stepconf and didnt want to re run it as i've made a lot of changes to the files etc
[14:51:38] <SWPadnos> ok - if the files are already changed then adding the line as fenn suggested is the way to go :)
[14:51:48] <pjmemc> perfect, thanks!
[14:52:11] <pjmemc> i want to add the manual job buttons for XYZ as per the wiki article
[14:52:24] <pjmemc> job==jog
[15:01:23] <robin_sz> meep?
[15:28:48] <pjmemc> cool, i have the panel.xml stuff working a treat - thanks guys!!
[16:19:46] <alex_joni> robin_sz: 'lo
[16:23:22] <LawrenceG> logger_emc, bookmark
[16:23:22] <LawrenceG> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-08-20.txt
[16:33:13] <robin_sz> * robin_sz yawns
[16:47:33] <alex_joni> robin_sz: howdy
[16:47:52] <robin_sz> going well dude?
[16:47:58] <alex_joni> sure thing
[16:50:16] <robin_sz> still not fired up my weld bot yet
[16:50:29] <alex_joni> too bad :)
[16:50:31] <alex_joni> it's fun
[16:50:41] <robin_sz> got someone coming it to demo a Lorch pulse synergic set
[16:51:02] <robin_sz> we got a few of their manual pulse synergic sets and very impressed
[19:31:19] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[19:36:51] <cradek> can you cut HSS with a carbide end mill?
[19:37:46] <anonimasu_> yes
[19:37:53] <skunkworks_> I know dad has drilled thru files with carbide drills - and glass
[19:38:45] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:38:57] <anonimasu_> I saw a video where they slotted a big endmill :P
[19:39:31] <anonimasu_> and I've turned hss endmills with carbide
[19:40:10] <cradek> good to know, thanks
[19:40:22] <anonimasu_> though turning is probably easier then milling :)
[19:40:29] <anonimasu_> (this was on my little lathe)
[19:40:33] <anonimasu_> nothing fancy..
[20:07:48] <tomp> carbide endmills don't like backlash/loosequills/etc... steady pressure only, if you let it start to virbrate, it'll crack
[20:09:28] <owad> In dxf2gcode, can anybody tell me what the difference is between "Z infeed depth" and "Z mill depth"?
[20:20:15] <jepler> owad: I think that it may refer to the total depth desired (Z mill depth) compared to the depth that can be cut in each pass (Z infeed depth). -- this is just a guess based on skimming the source code, though. i'm not a dxf2gcode user.
[20:24:39] <owad> thanks, jepler
[20:37:35] <SkinnYPup> owad: I've been using sheetcam after BigJohn mentioned it. Sheetcam.com try it out
[20:54:53] <owad> Thanks, SkinnyPup. I'll give that a try, too.
[21:00:55] <alex_joni> good night all
[21:49:27] <Lerman> jepler: cradek Is an Axis guru here?
[21:52:04] <SWPadnos> heh - what do you need?
[21:52:22] <SWPadnos> (not that I'm aguru, but I may be able to placate you until one arrives)
[21:52:37] <Lerman> I'm trying to use Axis with the latest and the screen breaks up on the Axis window and to the right of it.
[21:52:46] <Lerman> Dark horizontal lines.
[21:53:04] <SWPadnos> sounds like a driver problem, AXIS doesn't (can't) write outside its window
[21:53:10] <Lerman> Looks like a video problem. TKemc does not have that problem.
[21:53:32] <SWPadnos> AXIS uses openGL, tkEMC doesn't
[21:54:22] <SWPadnos> I don't know how, but you may want to try using the mesa software GL driver (maybe add `driver="vesa"` somewhere in the xorg.conf file)
[21:54:37] <Lerman> After I install from the CD, I'm "invited" to update around 100 packages. Should I do that?
[21:54:46] <SWPadnos> careful if you tread there though, they're trying to eliminate xorg.conf, so it may not be familiar to you :)
[21:54:48] <SWPadnos> yes
[21:55:02] <SWPadnos> one of them will probably be EMC2
[21:55:08] <Lerman> OK. I'll do the mass update and then see what I get.
[21:55:26] <Lerman> Yes. One is EMC. Why is that? Didn't I just install the latest?
[21:55:54] <SWPadnos> no
[21:56:15] <SWPadnos> the CD isn't regenerated for every point release
[21:56:21] <Lerman> OK. I'll be back in a while. The EMC machine is in the shop.
[21:56:24] <SWPadnos> ok
[23:10:12] <jepler> whee, now I have spindle on/off control
[23:10:59] <jepler> SSRs are pretty neat
[23:12:17] <cradek> cool - it sure is nice for it to stop at the end of the program (or when you hit escape)
[23:12:26] <SWPadnos> but they're so darned quiet
[23:12:33] <cradek> I'm wiring up a resolver!
[23:12:34] <cradek> whee
[23:12:44] <SWPadnos> cool - your board arrived then? :)
[23:13:05] <jepler> you couldn't hear a mechanical relay over this spindle, so it doesn't matter
[23:13:09] <SWPadnos> heh
[23:13:30] <SWPadnos> silence was disconcerting with solid state disks as well (on a machine with no HD LED)
[23:15:20] <cradek> yep, they came
[23:27:12] <jepler> why is the maximum tool number 56?
[23:27:13] <LawrenceG> cradek, http://imagebin.ca/view/O3CsXvpg.html all done from 1 ttt generated gcode file.. runtime scaling, rotation and translation of engraving strings
[23:27:15] <jepler> * jepler wonders
[23:27:29] <jepler> LawrenceG: neat!
[23:28:01] <LawrenceG> now I dont need cad for cutting panels
[23:28:40] <LawrenceG> just generate chunks of code, tweak the params and use axis to lay stuff out
[23:32:28] <tom1> LawrenceG: nice, where does the 2nd & 3rd value come from in 'o9000 call [1] [2nd] [3rd]' ?
[23:32:41] <LawrenceG> one thing neat is you can scale x and y independantly on chars.... make the font tall and skinny or short and fat
[23:33:41] <tom1> from ttt apparently
[23:33:42] <LawrenceG> tom1 the modified ttt.c (true type tracer) generates the numbers from a font and string you give it
[23:34:00] <tom1> cool, nice work on the scaling & rotating
[23:35:13] <LawrenceG> I was using ttt to generate code for a panel I am making.... my panel is 10" wide and may machine only has 9" travel in X... I needed everything turned 90deg as I have 10" of y travel
[23:36:00] <LawrenceG> a little wacking on the keys and I can now generate rotated text!
[23:36:16] <tom1> very good use of rotation
[23:36:57] <tom1> hmm, should be able to shear too ( like italics )
[23:37:01] <LawrenceG> thanks... I'll try and get the source back to Chris.... not sure if he wants additional clutter in ttt
[23:37:49] <LawrenceG> one can always use an italic font
[23:38:36] <LawrenceG> the real trick would be add tool comp so it cuts on the inside of the lines!
[23:40:05] <jepler> hm I feel a tiny bit dirty writing this gcode but on the other hand tool numbers don't really mean anything on my mill
[23:40:09] <jepler> printf("M5\nG00 Z%s\n(msg,Insert %s)\n", toolchange_height, tool);
[23:40:11] <jepler> printf("#30=[#30+1] T#30 M6\n");
[23:40:28] <jepler> (basically each time you're told to load a tool it picks the next number ..)
[23:40:39] <jepler> (you read the tool called for from the message box and ignore the tool number)
[23:41:09] <fenn> jepler why not just use g43? (is that the right one? dynamic tool compensation)
[23:42:10] <jepler> fenn: I am using a tool length sensor .. using M6 is about moving to the toolchange position and about automatically continuing when dismissing that pop-up
[23:43:25] <jepler> (it's g43.1 takes the length value from gcode and not from the tool table)