ick - compound angles
anybody around that can tell me how to get an installed application to show in the applications drop down?
are you making a package and you want the program to show up in the menu, or are you trying to add an installed application to the menu
making an installed program show up in the menu
there's a menu editor - it may be in System->Preferences, or maybe just right-click on the menu
according to synaptics the application is installed but I want to be able to get to it from the menu
right. to do that, you may need to manually add a menu item, which is done with the menu editor AFAIR
it doesn't show up in the menu editor
hrmmm. there should be a way to add another application, like a command-line app
its xmms2 a meida player
ah - I think I had the same problem. I added it to the top panel instead ;)
I believe you need to put a .desktop entry in /usr/share/applications
ok how? I'm not even in linux preschool yet...:-(
sure, if you have the desktop file, then just copy it to one of the standard locations (/usr/share/..., ~/Desktop/something/or/other...)
adding to the panel is easy, right-click on the panel and select "add application"
that'll give you a list of apps, but I think there's a button for "other application"
custom application launcher
could be. I'm not at a Linux machine at the moment so I can't checl
what would be the command to launch it?
you can create it on the desktop by right click and "create launcher"
iirc, xmms2 is different
xmms2 then ;)
actually, it's a server, and the clients are something else
hmmm. lemme see what mine says - hold on while I boot the laptop
I can't remember what any of the clients are right now, but they must be installed separately
ok maybe I'm confused (probably...) I wanted a music player that would handle wma files
mplayer should do about anything
this is a dual boot computer now, and I just want to be able to play my existing wma files that are on ntfs volums
check this site out: http://www.medibuntu.org/
you didn't enable DRM did you?
when I'm learning ubuntu....
you can add the repositories from there and install libraries to play about anything
on the wma files...
MS calls it "Digital Rights Management
smart people call it "Digital Restrictions Management"
yes, but in ubuntu did I have to do/not do something?
it's basically the 8.04/emc installed setup
I've added a few packages
the only way I'm going to get comfortable with linux is to drive it for a while
hmmm. I guess I have xmms installed, not xmms2
this is 7.10, and I can easily create a new launcher in the menu editor
yeah, I wished I hadn't gone to xmms2 after I figured out what it was :(
I click the "new item" button, and it gives me the "create launcher" dialog
the menu editor is called "alacarte" in synaptic, I don't know if it's installed by default
synaptic says mplayer is a video player?
I haven't had good luck with mplayer
yeah, it plays everything.
vlc seems to have a lot lower CPU utilization - maybe my mplayer doesn't use video acceleration
hmmm, I haven't had a problem. I do have problems with the default totem player though at times
yep, that too
i forgot about vlc, it was good last time I used it
installing mplayer now see how it goes
I think the main package you need from medibuntu is w32codecs
VLC uses built in codecs.
there is a wma plugin for xmms also (vs xmms2)
sudo apt-get install vlc =)
gui pointy clicky synaptic clicky clicky clicky
mplayer looks like it doesn't like my ntfs mounted drives?
it shouldn't care
ah, looks like gxmms2 and xmms2tray may be the frontend for xmms2
SWPadnos: too slow
shell baby shell
unless you need to pointy clicky to get to a terminal in the first place ;)
SWPadnos: CTRL+ALT+F1;sudo apt-get install vlc;CTRL+ALT+F7
well I know that, but THEY don't ;)
they do now
remember, this is Linux EEE (Early Essential Education, before preschool ;) )
or to confuse things more, CTRL+F7 to get back :-)
right - the ALT is only needed while you're in X
or ALT-Mright arrow> several times :)
Better login in after the CTRL+ALT+F1 first!
I got xmms2 tray up but no way to select files?
yeah, use MAN LOGIN at the login prompt
there should be an option to launch gxmms2
... or abraca. looks like that's another frontend
yuck, I don't like either interface and I can't get them to play anything...
am I still connected?
looks like to me
says it can't get the connection to the xmms2 daemon
now I have two icons and neither will respond
hidden message, but still can't connect oh well
in a terminal run "xmms2-launcher"
that starts the server
then you can run gxmms2
hmmm, don't know about that.
try getting the w32codecs from medibuntu. I think "Movie Player" will play most anything then. Movie Player is the default player for sound files on my machine for some reason.
I don't have any wma to try though...
i think I'm gonna skip music for now......
does ubuntu even have xmms? (not xmms2)
xmms doesn't show up in a synaptics search, says it's outdated
yeah, xmms2 doesn't seem to have a decent client at all
you could try realplayer 10. I downloaded a wma test file and it opened by default in realplayer which played it fine.
What are you trying to play?
just downloaded realplayer for linux will see if I can get it running
There are different versions of wma. The older versions will typically play pretty well under mplayer or vlc. I personally think vlc is much better. Especially on a machine with a weak processor since it tends to load the cpu less.
I think it was mentioned above somebody else has had a similar experience.
I don't know if helix player is being developed any longer or not. It is supposed to be an open source Real Player clone.
Yeah it's still around. You might want to look here ==> https://player.helixcommunity.org/
aargh, got realplayer "installed" shows up in the menu, but says it "failed to execute child process"
forget linux preschool, i'm back to a crawling infant
getting close to the linux womb
somebody needs to change your Linux diaper ;)
realplayer != linux
closed source software that supports linux as an afterthought is always a pain in the neck
I wonder if the underlying audio driver layer is working correctly
haven't gotten to a point of needing a diaper yet
(however I see there's a realplayer package in multiverse)
it is probably the installer, and it downloads for you or something
realplayer has always sucked on any platform
all i wanna do is play the wma files on my ntfs volumes.....
not to be mean, but that translates to "all i want to do is play a proprietary file format stored on a proprietary filesystem"
I'm sure xmms will do it, and I use it daily to play mp3 files
You should consider copying one of the wma files to you linux box and see if it plays. If it does, you may have a right permission problem accessing the files on the ntfs share.
yea, but thats the universe I'm comming from
(not xmms2, which I've just learned is very different ;) )
maybe you could convert them to ogg
what was that
a netsplit is a change in the way the various irc servers talk amongst themselves
a historical feature :)
I'm starting to fear the "blue screen of death" less..........
it's hard when you still have data locked up in proprietary formats. it takes some work and some time to become free.
4 different pc installs of 8.04 and each has been an "experience"...........
this one won't start rtai
so I thought I would play music :-(
are you asking for help? if so let's see the error message
rtai I can help with, wma not so much :-)
[03:47:13] <pminmo_> http://pastebin.com/m2eb62523
I hadn't gotten to the help request yet, thought I'd play music 1st............
your 'stepper' config is incomplete. it is missing the nml file
music to debug RTAI by
it's not an rtai problem, it's an incomplete emc config
(or in this case, music to copy an NML file by)
how did you make the config?
not on this one, I just wanted to run one of the sim configs
you're running a stepper config in your home directory
run emc, open up the sample configs, run sim/axis
[03:51:14] <pminmo_> http://pastebin.com/m130b90ca
that's also loading from your home dir. how did the config get there?
if you downloaded a tarball from CVS or just copied the files from a sample config, you're missing a few files
didn't scroll down far enough
now is time for a diaper change
can you try running one of the sample configs?
live cd install, wouldn't have a clue as to how to build via cvs. sample config runs
ok, great! :)
cradek, Hi Chris.... I am working on some additions to ttt
some char spacing improvements for engraving
cradek, since we cut on the lines instead of inside the lines, the chars need more spacing
cradek, also added gcode vars for x and y offset, so the resulting gcode file can be moved easily..... tomorrow I want to add rotation in gcode
Is there a way in EMC to make whatever the machines current x and y positions are the x=0 and y=0 positions for the job?
yes... several.... if you dont have home switches, homeing on the axis display will zero the axis at the current position, or use one of the work offsets
Thanks! I'll have to play with that. I don't have home switches and the one time I pressed the "home" button in AXIS, it started trying to find home.
[05:19:33] <LawrenceG> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?CoordinateSystems
there may be better pages on the wiki as well... also the user docs either online or installed with your system should help with a little digging
Great! Thanks Lawrence.
I'm not looking for how, but I was wondering if it's also possible to program a button in AXIS that will execute a series of gcode commands?
no problem... I still havent got my head around using the various co-ordinate systems..... my projects usually have the ll corner as 0,0,0 and I jog there and home each axis there
gee fiddy four
you probably need to ask jepler when he is around
since emx/axis is open source "anything is possible", I am just not sure how long it would take to do it!
Can anyone tell me where hal pin MUX4 comes from? I'm trying to following some joypad instructions, but EMC crashes when it encounters the line "setp mux4.0.in0 0".
morning. (I'm not sure anybody else is really around at the moment)
You wouldn't happen to be an EMC guru would you micges?
CanSir: in a terminal try: man mux4 -- you may need to add loadrt mux4 ... and addf mux4.n ... to your hal file
Thanks dgarr. The instructions appeared to be pretty thorough, but they must have left out the loadrt mux4 part. I never thought to try a "man mux4".
yes -- there are man pages for all hal items (i think) - look in /usr/share/man/man9 to see their names
One final dumb question from me tonight. On the AXIS display, I see a "Home All" and a "Touch-Off" button, but I don't see the "Home" button menioned in the documentation. Am I just not lookin in the right spot?
i don't know -- the gui I use, tkemc, has a home button
Maybe that's all it is - there simply isn't one on the AXIS display. I'll dig around some more and maybe ask the question again another night.
I found the answer to my own question regarding how to add "gcode macro" buttons to AXIS. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Adding_Custom_MDI_Buttons
anyone else having problems accessing wiki.linuxcnc.org?
dead here as well
ok thanks for checking
btw did u have any further thoughts on the linear rail?
I fancy it, price? how far to colect?
well i'm in poole
hmm toy on epay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARDINGE-GN6-SERIES-CNC-LATHE-CHNC-CHUCKING-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ230281682763QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230281682763&_trkparms=72%3A1121|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
well wimborne in dorset
and as for price, well i'm open to offers!
it basically came off a CNC multicam engraving machine that I fished out of a skip
and use the parts to make my cnc milling m/c
yeah that is a nice lathe
pjm: seems *.linuxcnc.org is down
alex_joni ok thanks! I'd not got round to checking the rest of the domain
i was just gonna read up on adding gcode macros to axis
as it looks a useful feature
archivist_ub i looked for some 2nd hand machine tool suppliers around here, but there are none. years ago me dad got me a cnc controller that used nixie tubes and punch tape
actually you add MDI commands to halui
but even tho it lit up, it was just to strip down for parts
in AXIS you just have a button that activates them
alex_joni ahh ok thanks, i need to look into this side more now i have the hardware finished
i have on my list to add; a single step button, and pots/etc to control feed / speed override
and of course a remote mpg pendant
after an absolute age, rac routplanner, 184 miles :((
so probably easier to post some how, or at least cheaper
are u near warwick?
i go to our office there sometimes
30-40 miles north of warwick could meet there
ah ok so thats do-able, ok well i'm back at 'work' tommorow
pjm: encoders for feed/speed override
so will see what is in the planner, and let u know, it should be within a couple of weeks
pots won't work
alex_joni ok so simple quadrature encoders for those controls then?
then everybody is happy
because you have lots of places where FO can be changed
GUI, halui, physical button, etc
ok cool, i had in the back of my mind a thought to use the game port, but hadnt looked into it to be honest..
yeah i guess that makes more sense to use encoders
if you have a pot, then it's a fixed position
yeah sure, encoders it is then
so if you then change FO from a GUI it won't match what it says
i have some cheap 64ppr ones that are in the same form factor as a 10turn pot
what do you use for motion control?
parport at the moment
then you probably need 1-2 more
well, funnily enough i bought a 2 port pci parport on ebay last night
as i was just thinking about the lack of pins on the current port
so for the mpg pendant i'll probably buy one of them ones from cnc4pc and use the pendant code on the wiki
I think 8 is the limit currently
but maybe a 5i20 is interesting then
its a pity that these dig-64 cards i got here are unsupported by anything modern, they have plenty of IO but writing a driver is beyond me
how many do you have?
a dozen or so
and what interface are they on?
got any ISA pc's around?
the one that runs emc
lucky you :P
has a single ISA slot
so they are probably crap, but they have a lot of opto's / relays on, so probably too good to bin
[08:52:12] <alex_joni> http://www.bluechiptechnology.co.uk/products.php?part_id=33
yeah that is it
i got them from some crappy 486 control PC's that were dumped at the local scrap yard
there was a heap of them, so i took all the ones that were in one piece
they had taken the hdd's out tho, so i couldnt see how the driver was implemented
maybe you can ring those folks up for some software
[08:54:19] <alex_joni> http://www.bluechiptechnology.co.uk/support_popup.php?product_dir=products/Data_Acqusition/End_of_Life_Products_-_Non_RoHS/DIG-64
well they have a sample windows driver
maybe they are willing to OSS it, now that the card is end of life
i did play with a linux driver for the IO chip and got some sence out of it
although the board has 2 8255 on it
so it should be fairly easy to port one of the 8255 drivers from emc
yeah the card addressing scheme etc is documented so i guess its do-able
maybe the manual is enough to read stuff from it
pjm: send one over to archivist_ub, he volunteered to write a driver
hehh ok good idea ;-)
well i have enough cards so i can send them to anyone that wants one!
well.. shipping over here is probably a bit much
u in the usa?
I just happen to have ISA slots in this box
pjm: nope, eastern europe
ah cool i was in poland a couple of weeks back
* alex_joni is in romania
schweet, never been there... its on my list tho
anyway as i said, if u want one i will happily post!
i have a pile that will just rot here otherwise
they have 16 mercury wetted relays on
and some opto's etc
so even for parts they are ok, and the relays are even in sockets!
no expense spared
I should practice writing drivers, keep my coding head enabled
ok well these cards make an idea thing to practice with
also i have a heap of solid state relays here, 3-32vdc in and will switch 32A at 250vac
so if anyone needs any, just let me know
they sound useful
yeah they are crydom magnetics ones, i'll get a part #
pjm: well if you don't mind, send one over
I wonder what happened to the PC I used while writing the STG driver
alex_joni ok please can u mail your postal address details to firstname.lastname@example.org
is the same as these ssr's except my ones dont have a led!
oh also i have 3 X brand new power-one 48v 3.1a smpsu's if anyone needs them for motors etc
i'm trying to tidy up!
tidy! I dont understand
hehh well i have too much crap
Im going to have to to make room for stuff here back at home
from hoarding for years
and my 6year old son is starting to become a hoarder
so i have to make room for his crap too!
being single, my hoarding is erm uncontrolled.....
yes i used to be the same, but now the missus 'tidys' things away
and i never see them again
i'm convinced that she chucks stuff out in the bin
then blames me for loosing it in the stuff everywhere
"you never use that"
* archivist_ub trying to find a cutter atm
pjm: got it?
pjm: send a few here if you got that many spare cards ^_^$
alex_joni yeah just got it
fragalot send me your address
pjm: how much is shipping to Belgium ?
fragalot: ups payed by destination
Need to know if my wallet allows it
when I use mesa 7i43, do I need a servo driver?
the 7i43 only generates the analog voltages and counts the encoders
but you need the servo drives that drive the motors
or maybe I didn't understand what you are asking?
hmm thanks alex_joni
I want to learn what you explain
Teach him, oh mighty alex_joni
acemi: it depends if you have servos or steppers
fragalot: I doubt I can teach acemi much :P
btw, if it's stepper motors, why does every CNC manufacturer call them servo's?
it's something that has puzzled me for ages
acemi: in both cases (servo and stepper) the 7i43 acts as a motion card
the output is either a PWM (that you can convert to a voltage) for servos
alex_joni: I confused because of the encoders, but I seee now
or step/dir that is used for steppers
fragalot i will find out re .be postage
fragalot: seen the machines acemi has built?
<- look for acemi
pfft? that's it? :'( *wants*
makes me think i should send in a video of mine and bigeyes 7 axis tapping machine...
[10:49:52] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiIWU7H7iKI
<-- i'd be /VERY/ happy if i got this working, even if its a small scale one, lol
just waiting for some spare time to work on it
[10:51:35] <fragalot> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5ok5yn1dA&NR=1e
*dreams* looks simple to you guys... It.. is simple, but meh.. but it's JUST BEYOND my reach atm :p
[11:00:14] <fragalot> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=S7noXI530RU&feature=related
<-- this is crazy... 3D Printed object, and the gears WORK, right out of the box
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alex_joni ok that is posted
pjm: huh, that was quick
do you run the post office ?
its only about 100m up the road
so a 3 min walk
and i had to go there to get an ice-cream anyway
the surface mail took 8 weeks so i thought bugger than and sent it airmail
I like the ice cream excuse
pjm: hope it wasn't too expensive
10 pack of chocices dont last long
alex_joni no it was very cheap
so hopefully u can do something cool with the card
I downloaded the manual for the card, all seems to be there
do u want me to post u one too?
if so send me your post address
I can wait till we meet for the rail
it wound certainly be handy to be able to use these cards with emc
especially all that input! i can have button for every function
ah btw i also found a heidenhain me101 in my crap that i dont need
I bought a couple of pci parport cards at the computer fair a few weeks ago
ew a tape reader
crap as i said
seems a pity to chuck it out tho
theres one on epay for £69 or best offer!!!
i dont know if i could suffer the trauma of selling it on ebay
hmm that seller has a few other interesting bits
I need to make a paupers version of this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIKKEN-5AX-300-ROTARY-TILT-TABLE_W0QQitemZ380054580020QQihZ025QQcategoryZ633QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
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yes that is a nice rotary table
a bit big for my machine tho
that weighs many times my machine
aparently, I closed my screen session. :'(
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fragalot: 2h ago
my irssi window list is all messed up
this channel used to be on window 31, now it's 45 :'(
/window move 31
fragalot: you have a couple of windows
[13:45:46] <alex_joni> http://eneas.juve.ro/~juve/stuff/302210/IMG_0159.JPG
planning on making a big lathe?
hey - those guys should be working, not just sitting around!
do the slides get covered somehow?
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eventually they will be covered with pants from people that got stuck under it
there are some bent metal sheets that protect the ways
fragalot: not a lathe
alex_joni: :) was worth the guess
(so.. what IS it?)
I made a few purely mechanical ones to make tanks with a friend over at his company (he retired now and is trying to sell them)
well I didn't do anything, i only met him later, but it's more fun telling people I made it and stealing credit >.>
he's got a guillotine, bigass sheet bender, rollers to make round tanks (which welds it automatically), stamp to make the sides, and 2 welders to make the round & square tanks
hi, can i just ask a quick Q about panel.xml ?
i need to enable the axis front end to look for and display panel.xml in the gui, but i dont want to re-run stepconf to do it, anyone happen to know the line that stepconf adds to the ini to turn this on?
did you leave the option for a custom panel checked in stepconf?
pjmemc: i think you need something like [DISPLAY] PYVCP = panel.xml in your .ini file
if so, all you need to do is rename the file to custom.xml (I think)
yep, or you can edit the ini file, but that will prevent you from using stepconf to change this config in the future (or you'll lose the changes you made)
i like swp's way better
fenn, SWPadnos ok thanks, that line was just what i needed, I didnt have it selected in stepconf and didnt want to re run it as i've made a lot of changes to the files etc
ok - if the files are already changed then adding the line as fenn suggested is the way to go :)
i want to add the manual job buttons for XYZ as per the wiki article
cool, i have the panel.xml stuff working a treat - thanks guys!!
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-08-20.txt
* robin_sz yawns
going well dude?
still not fired up my weld bot yet
too bad :)
got someone coming it to demo a Lorch pulse synergic set
we got a few of their manual pulse synergic sets and very impressed
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can you cut HSS with a carbide end mill?
I know dad has drilled thru files with carbide drills - and glass
I saw a video where they slotted a big endmill :P
and I've turned hss endmills with carbide
good to know, thanks
though turning is probably easier then milling :)
(this was on my little lathe)
carbide endmills don't like backlash/loosequills/etc... steady pressure only, if you let it start to virbrate, it'll crack
In dxf2gcode, can anybody tell me what the difference is between "Z infeed depth" and "Z mill depth"?
owad: I think that it may refer to the total depth desired (Z mill depth) compared to the depth that can be cut in each pass (Z infeed depth). -- this is just a guess based on skimming the source code, though. i'm not a dxf2gcode user.
owad: I've been using sheetcam after BigJohn mentioned it. Sheetcam.com try it out
Thanks, SkinnyPup. I'll give that a try, too.
good night all
jepler: cradek Is an Axis guru here?
heh - what do you need?
(not that I'm aguru, but I may be able to placate you until one arrives)
I'm trying to use Axis with the latest and the screen breaks up on the Axis window and to the right of it.
Dark horizontal lines.
sounds like a driver problem, AXIS doesn't (can't) write outside its window
Looks like a video problem. TKemc does not have that problem.
AXIS uses openGL, tkEMC doesn't
I don't know how, but you may want to try using the mesa software GL driver (maybe add `driver="vesa"` somewhere in the xorg.conf file)
After I install from the CD, I'm "invited" to update around 100 packages. Should I do that?
careful if you tread there though, they're trying to eliminate xorg.conf, so it may not be familiar to you :)
one of them will probably be EMC2
OK. I'll do the mass update and then see what I get.
Yes. One is EMC. Why is that? Didn't I just install the latest?
the CD isn't regenerated for every point release
OK. I'll be back in a while. The EMC machine is in the shop.
whee, now I have spindle on/off control
SSRs are pretty neat
cool - it sure is nice for it to stop at the end of the program (or when you hit escape)
but they're so darned quiet
I'm wiring up a resolver!
cool - your board arrived then? :)
you couldn't hear a mechanical relay over this spindle, so it doesn't matter
silence was disconcerting with solid state disks as well (on a machine with no HD LED)
yep, they came
why is the maximum tool number 56?
all done from 1 ttt generated gcode file.. runtime scaling, rotation and translation of engraving strings
* jepler wonders
now I dont need cad for cutting panels
just generate chunks of code, tweak the params and use axis to lay stuff out
LawrenceG: nice, where does the 2nd & 3rd value come from in 'o9000 call  [2nd] [3rd]' ?
one thing neat is you can scale x and y independantly on chars.... make the font tall and skinny or short and fat
from ttt apparently
tom1 the modified ttt.c (true type tracer) generates the numbers from a font and string you give it
cool, nice work on the scaling & rotating
I was using ttt to generate code for a panel I am making.... my panel is 10" wide and may machine only has 9" travel in X... I needed everything turned 90deg as I have 10" of y travel
a little wacking on the keys and I can now generate rotated text!
very good use of rotation
hmm, should be able to shear too ( like italics )
thanks... I'll try and get the source back to Chris.... not sure if he wants additional clutter in ttt
one can always use an italic font
the real trick would be add tool comp so it cuts on the inside of the lines!
hm I feel a tiny bit dirty writing this gcode but on the other hand tool numbers don't really mean anything on my mill
printf("M5\nG00 Z%s\n(msg,Insert %s)\n", toolchange_height, tool);
printf("#30=[#30+1] T#30 M6\n");
(basically each time you're told to load a tool it picks the next number ..)
(you read the tool called for from the message box and ignore the tool number)
jepler why not just use g43? (is that the right one? dynamic tool compensation)
fenn: I am using a tool length sensor .. using M6 is about moving to the toolchange position and about automatically continuing when dismissing that pop-up
(it's g43.1 takes the length value from gcode and not from the tool table)