#emc | Logs for 2008-06-24

[00:01:08] <ednspace> Ok thanks for all the help, I will check back later about the spindle control
[00:15:39] <jepler> ednspace: you can get a variable-frequency output from stepgen (ctrl_mode=v) but you can't do this within stepconf (and because you have to modify the 'loadrt stepgen' line, you can't do it simply with an add-on line in custom.hal)
[00:16:43] <jepler> if you need a 50% duty cycle, I think you use step_type=2 (quadrature); either phase is a square wave at half the desired frequency
[00:17:09] <jepler> otherwise, you get "on" for a set time then "off" for nearly the requested frequency
[00:25:44] <ednspace> still I am confused
[00:25:55] <ednspace> can I vary frequency on the fly
[00:26:06] <ednspace> and have it connected to the spindle control
[00:26:51] <ednspace> so when I issue an M3 command I get a different frequency out of the control pin
[00:28:04] <ednspace> I am pretty sure 50% duty is what I need, just need to keep that duty cycle constant and vary frequency
[00:29:28] <ednspace> I could just wire this up to an external circuit to control spindle speed
[00:29:56] <ednspace> but it would be oh so nice to have it controlled by emc
[01:01:40] <jepler> ednspace: yes, you can convert the spindle S-number into a variable-frequency signal. but you'll have to learn a bit of hal to do it.
[01:02:07] <jepler> ednspace: this shows the changes I made in my .hal file to get a variable-frequency output: http://rafb.net/p/z1hxiz94.html (- for lines that are removed, + for lines that are added)
[01:03:38] <jepler> ednspace: to control the relationship between RPM and Hz you would setp stepgen.3.position-scale -- the default setting of 1.0 will give .5Hz per RPM, a higher setting will give more Hz per RPM.
[01:04:13] <jepler> to control the maximum signal in Hz, you would setp stepgen.3.maxvel -- a setting of 800.0 would give a maximum of 400Hz, a higher setting will give a higher Hz limit.
[01:13:39] <ednspace> Jepler thank you very much for that, it should be enough to get me going or at least started in the right direction
[01:14:20] <ednspace> I have copied the file parts you posted and have will work through this as soon as I get the touch plate finished
[01:14:48] <ednspace> thanks again so much, I knew it was possible, just not quite sure where to begin
[01:16:41] <chr0n1c> http://www.hackaday.com/2008/06/23/air-hockey-robot/
[01:16:58] <chr0n1c> ** a robot arm playing air hockey!
[01:38:09] <jepler> ednspace: good luck -- there's a bit of a learning curve but I'm sure you can get there.
[01:38:28] <jepler> ednspace: if you have specific questions about what I showed you, just ask 'em -- hopefully somebody can answer
[01:54:06] <fusion_crank> Hello all
[01:55:32] <fusion_crank> would anyone be able to help me get a gamepad working?
[02:00:45] <chr0n1c> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Using_A_Joypad_To_Move_Your_CNC_Machine
[02:00:54] <chr0n1c> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?A_New_Approach_For_Using_Joypads_With_EMC2
[02:01:32] <chr0n1c> fusion_crank, those are two links i found on the wiki... i have not done so myself, all i can say is good luck until someone who knows gets ehre!
[02:01:37] <chr0n1c> here*
[02:05:02] <fusion_crank> I have used http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[02:05:04] <tomp> i didnt know pastebin.ca used closed source and nopaste/gnopaste (like rafb.net) is open source, thx
[02:05:34] <fusion_crank> I can't get it to work
[02:06:00] <fusion_crank> I am very new to linux, so maybe I am doing something wrong
[02:15:34] <chr0n1c> i'm pretty new to linux as well, EMC2 was what made me decide to make the switch...
[02:20:28] <fusion_crank> I am surprised at how much better my mill runs on EMC than Mach3
[02:21:07] <fusion_crank> with Mach 3 I get bad resonance above 30 imp with EMC I can go 110 ipm
[02:21:26] <chr0n1c> nice!
[02:21:54] <fusion_crank> it really is. now if I can only get the pendant to work
[02:24:21] <fusion_crank> thanks chronic
[02:24:24] <fusion_crank> bed time
[02:24:28] <fusion_crank> night
[02:24:29] <chr0n1c> cya!
[07:17:30] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[07:57:24] <[1]a-l-p-h-a> [1]a-l-p-h-a is now known as a-l-p-h-a
[10:44:21] <Guest44135> ïðèâåò
[10:46:04] <Guest44135> hi. Can EMC2 run (install) on minix3 (minix3.org)???
[10:46:49] <BigJohnT> what is a minix3?
[10:46:52] <archivist> it needs a realtime operating susyem
[10:47:03] <archivist> unix lookalike
[10:47:13] <archivist> not realtile iirc
[10:47:19] <Guest44135> mini3 -> minix4rt
[10:47:19] <archivist> realtime
[10:47:29] <BigJohnT> morning archivist
[10:47:37] <archivist> morning
[10:47:54] <archivist> nearly afternoon :))
[10:48:24] <BigJohnT> LOL I knew that
[10:49:44] <archivist> Guest44135, but if minix can be realtime then you would need to compile and deal with problems you come up with as its not a system Ive seen mentioned in here since Ive lurked here
[10:50:32] <Guest44135> developers -> Can EMC2 run (install) on minix4rt (web minix3.org minix.ru)? i have not a power PC(P133 16rom)
[10:51:00] <Guest44135> minix can be realtime, minix4rt!!!
[10:51:17] <archivist> Guest44135, then try and tell us if you get it working
[10:51:55] <archivist> far easier to use ubuntu like the rest of us
[10:52:53] <Guest44135> i have not a power PC(P133 16rom), ubuntu work on it?
[10:53:58] <BigJohnT> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Hardware_Requirements
[14:53:01] <cradek> huh I thought tkemc had a block delete switch. am I blind or wrong?
[14:53:18] <jepler> hi seb_kuzminsky
[14:53:32] <jepler> thanks for the clarification of the state of mesa stuff
[14:53:39] <seb_kuzminsky> hi jepler
[14:53:58] <rayh> Hi cradek. Unless one was added recently block delete is not in there.
[14:54:03] <seb_kuzminsky> its kind of a mess but i'll try to get it cleaned up in the next few months
[14:54:09] <jepler> I wonder why I was mistaken about 7i43_hm2 in 2.2 ..
[14:54:26] <jepler> thanks for all your work in that area!
[14:54:48] <cradek> no kidding, thanks seb, I am thinking about getting one of those parport boards.
[14:54:53] <seb_kuzminsky> sure :-) and thanks to mesa for being so open and supportive - it's a breath of fresh air
[14:55:08] <cradek> rayh: ok good, wrong is better than blind
[14:55:16] <seb_kuzminsky> how was the fest? sounds like a good time
[14:55:20] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: yes they're great, aren't they
[14:55:35] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: it's fun to hang out with all the people with a common interest in emc and cnc
[14:56:07] <seb_kuzminsky> so about hm2 in 2.2... how does that plan i outlined sound to you jepler
[14:56:11] <renesis> how far along is ubuntu 8 emc?
[14:56:17] <renesis> am i late? are you done?
[14:56:35] <renesis> ARE WE THERE YET
[14:56:36] <jepler> renesis: you can download the live cd for 32 bit systems from linuxcnc.org
[14:56:40] <renesis> o, hai
[14:56:46] <renesis> oh neat
[14:56:48] <jepler> I'm not personally using it to control any hardware
[14:57:01] <jepler> but I do a lot of my emc development on an 8.04/sim machine
[14:57:15] <renesis> i have a new pc thing, almost nothing works except core shit and the io controller and usb
[14:57:30] <cradek> I used it at fest to run some of my demo hardware
[14:57:33] <renesis> so yeh, works for cnc, be nice t have like, net
[14:58:11] <jepler> cradek: oh, you did? max5?
[14:58:17] <renesis> i dont really care about sound
[14:58:24] <renesis> can you gcode wave files?
[14:58:43] <renesis> you guys should do it, like M999 = play .wav
[14:58:57] <cradek> jepler: yes
[14:58:59] <jepler> just attach two extra stepper motors and I'll write an mp3->stepgen component
[14:59:06] <jepler> (joking; offer not actually valid)
[14:59:17] <renesis> heheh
[14:59:32] <renesis> since i did microstepping it doesnt make crazy noises =(
[14:59:57] <seb_kuzminsky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tatiU2ha0
[15:00:40] <renesis> so today im either gonna lock in my decent paying job
[15:01:03] <renesis> or be like HAHAHAHA how much? k bai pls2give paycheck thx
[15:01:11] <jepler> hm, the 3-voice version of "daisy" plays fine on my mill with 1/8 microstepping.
[15:01:24] <renesis> big cosmec CNC thing is kinda fun tho
[15:02:12] <renesis> it prob works but it used to make insane harmonics without the microstepping
[15:02:28] <renesis> which is maybe worse for testing step2mp3
[15:03:31] <jepler> darn, youtube doesn't work for me today
[15:03:47] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah me too just noticed it
[15:04:31] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a scanner playing vivaldi on its stepper
[15:04:35] <jepler> ah
[15:04:49] <jepler> but it's only got one note at a time .. daisy is arranged for 4 voices.
[15:04:59] <renesis> oh woaw job has called me to come in
[15:05:04] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[15:05:07] <renesis> he thinks his silly wifi net issue is sorted
[15:05:10] <renesis> we shall see
[15:05:38] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: do you want any info from me to make the hm2-in-2.2 decision?
[15:05:49] <archivist> * archivist renesis luvs his boss not
[17:23:14] <ds2> has anyone looked if there are significant differences in how the TWL4030 is initialized on the beagle vs the EVM? this sounds like the transceiver on there is unhappy about something
[17:25:04] <ds2> arrgg
[17:25:08] <ds2> wrong place
[17:25:14] <ds2> n/m
[17:29:11] <skunkworks_> The init string for the twl4030 uses the PQL standard.. Different than EVM - mainly in the talk-back protocal.
[17:31:39] <SWPadnos> excellent!
[17:31:41] <SWPadnos> what?
[17:32:05] <ds2> :)
[17:32:35] <skunkworks_> * skunkworks_ like making things up
[17:32:39] <skunkworks_> *likes
[17:33:03] <skunkworks_> hey - more info http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~chuck/robotpg/robofaq/12.html
[18:35:25] <tomp> skunkworks_: do we have anything like matrixes? (re: puma used as mill)
[18:35:55] <jepler> tomp: there is libposemath, but it is disorganized, doesn't have manpage documentation, and nobody is really familiar with it.
[18:36:21] <skunkworks_> yes - the kins convert joint to world space - if that is what you mean
[18:38:18] <skunkworks_> the numbers in the above link look more correct for my robot.. a2 and d4 are exact arm lingths - but I am unsure how the offsets are measured - assuming d3 and a3 are the joint offest from center of rotation.
[18:41:22] <tomp> the links at that site are old & broken, here's the document they mention tho...http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=486658
[18:41:50] <tomp> jepler: thx, i'd like t look at that
[18:42:36] <tomp> oops, wrong link this is free http://www.bridgeport.edu/sed/fcourses/cpe460/Lectures_Handouts/1/Robotics_Toolbox_for_MATLAB_rel6.pdf
[18:49:14] <tomp> and a set of enhancements "This set of functions can support people working with the Robotics Toolbox by Peter Corke in managing homogeneous transformation matrices. In particular, the package contains functions to create rotation and roto-translation matrices using a single command and defining rotation angles in degrees in place of radians. It requires Robotics Toolbox to be installed."
[18:49:17] <tomp> 
[18:49:22] <tomp> http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/loadFile.do?objectId=13734&objectType=file
[18:49:38] <tomp> bbl
[18:51:39] <tomp> ooh one last link from the robo-tk man himself http://code.google.com/p/robotics-toolbox-python/
[19:10:12] <awallin> hi all, what's up?
[19:11:52] <jepler> hi awallin
[19:11:56] <jepler> I think most everyone is home from workshop
[19:12:29] <jepler> there's at least one more video that needs to get put up on youtube (actually milling the 5-axis sphere)
[19:12:54] <anonimasu> not much is up
[19:13:02] <anonimasu> trying to rest as much as possible
[19:16:35] <awallin> ok, I have this PTFE milling job that I might look at during the weekend. Also someone pointed out in a comment to my blog that the toroidal cutter intersection math is wrong, so I hope to look at that at some point
[19:16:58] <awallin> been playing around with shedskin, a python to c++ compiler, for easily generating fast python extensions
[19:17:18] <anonimasu> nice
[19:17:29] <anonimasu> pfte? like acetal?
[19:25:47] <awallin> 'teflon' , it's supposed to withstand any and all chemicals (acids, bases, solvents etc.)
[19:31:43] <anonimasu> ah I see
[19:31:44] <anonimasu> brb
[21:02:17] <archivist> chr0n1c, I dont think that guy is worth helping
[21:02:26] <chr0n1c> lol...
[21:02:29] <chr0n1c> i try!
[21:02:50] <chr0n1c> you guys helped me out so much, i like talking about it!
[21:02:55] <chr0n1c> lol...
[21:03:02] <chr0n1c> and everyone should have a diy cnc!
[21:03:16] <archivist> he wants wet nursing
[21:03:47] <LawrenceG> ummmm wet nursing!
[21:03:49] <archivist> is the a commercial outfit fitting emc is fo thats what he needs
[21:03:57] <archivist> there
[21:04:38] <archivist> * archivist needs to clean this keyboard
[21:05:37] <chr0n1c> :)
[21:07:42] <archivist> workshop environment, it gets a lot of dust in it
[21:11:31] <chr0n1c> the paint is wearing off my keys for my keyboard... i should engrave them!
[21:11:45] <chr0n1c> fille them with model paint and seal it with some hard clear...
[21:11:50] <chr0n1c> fill*
[21:18:14] <jepler> move
[21:18:16] <jepler> oops
[21:18:20] <chr0n1c> $15 for a new keyboard...
[22:27:09] <kirk_wallace> Hello, I have a tool table question.
[22:31:33] <SWPadnos> 42
[22:32:25] <fusion_crank> Can anyone help with a USB gamepad pendant?
[22:32:41] <kirk_wallace> I use m6 to load a tool, and multiple table entries for a single tool.
[22:33:16] <kirk_wallace> The status line seems to show only the last close match.
[22:33:27] <kirk_wallace> Such as...
[22:34:00] <kirk_wallace> I load t3m6g43h31 for a center drill,
[22:34:17] <fusion_crank> kirk is that such as to me?
[22:34:34] <kirk_wallace> t3m6g43h33 for a .125 drill.
[22:35:17] <kirk_wallace> I was hoping SWPadnos was watching.
[22:35:28] <SWPadnos> heh
[22:35:32] <SWPadnos> as if I'd know the answer :)
[22:35:57] <SWPadnos> fusion_crank, `man hal_input` for information on using a USB pendant
[22:36:03] <SWPadnos> also look at the wiki, and I think Kirk may have a page on that
[22:36:07] <fusion_crank> I'll have to try back during the day I think
[22:36:18] <kirk_wallace> SWPados: How about the Homed icon in AXIS.
[22:36:23] <fusion_crank> I've used the wiki, but I can't get it to fuction
[22:36:41] <SWPadnos> "it" being the wiki, or "it" being hte USB gamepad?
[22:36:42] <SWPadnos> the
[22:36:43] <kirk_wallace> fusion_crank: It's day here.
[22:37:05] <archivist> fusion_crank, nearly best time
[22:37:47] <fusion_crank> ah
[22:38:03] <SWPadnos> kirk_wallace, what happens that is surprising to you regarding the tool table?
[22:38:35] <SWPadnos> it's possible that the status line (whatever that is) doesn't show "hand-entered" H or D values (or something like that)
[22:39:10] <kirk_wallace> The status line at the bottom will only show the offest data for table entry 33.
[22:39:36] <kirk_wallace> I think EMC uses 31 like I expected, but shows 33 data.
[22:40:00] <SWPadnos> I thought H was a distance, not a tool table number
[22:40:26] <SWPadnos> fusion_crank, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Using_A_Joypad_To_Move_Your_CNC_Machine and http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[22:40:56] <SWPadnos> I think the one with the blue controller is more recent and easier
[22:42:18] <kirk_wallace> T seems to load the first close H match but default. I would expect T to just call a tool slot and nothing else.
[22:43:02] <SWPadnos> T is tool number only AFAIK
[22:43:27] <SWPadnos> I guess the thing to do would be to look at the manual :)
[22:44:14] <kirk_wallace> That would involve some effort :( ;)
[22:45:10] <SWPadnos> heh
[22:45:28] <kirk_wallace> SWPadnos: Do you know the details behind the "Homed" icon in AXIS?
[22:46:26] <SWPadnos> it shows up when you home an axis, I don't think it ever turns off (though it may be possible now that there are "unhome" NML commands)
[22:46:47] <kirk_wallace> In my lathe step I have X, Y, Z showing, only X and Z should show.
[22:47:17] <kirk_wallace> When I home, the icon shows for X and Y.
[22:47:45] <SWPadnos> I think there's a "lathe mode" setting in the ini, specifically for AXIS
[22:47:49] <kirk_wallace> Y position stays at 0, Y position works properly.
[22:47:58] <SWPadnos> I'd look at sim/lathe or the NIST lathe configs
[22:48:43] <archivist> has anyone put emc on a sliding head lathe yet
[22:48:57] <SWPadnos> yep: [DISPLAY]LATHE = 1
[22:49:03] <SWPadnos> archivist, no idea
[22:49:05] <kirk_wallace> I just checked, I have lathe = 1 in the .ini
[22:49:48] <SWPadnos> ok, and what is your [TRAJ]COORDINATES set to?
[22:50:08] <SWPadnos> it should be X Z
[22:51:03] <archivist> * archivist needs to convince boss to donate a Bechler sliding head to the cause
[22:51:49] <kirk_wallace> Darn, it's XYZ, I seem to recall I had to use XYZ to make it work, maybe an update fixed it?
[22:52:33] <SWPadnos> dunno. you still use AXES=3, since Z is the third axis for a trivkins machine
[22:54:58] <kirk_wallace> SWPadnos: You fixed it thanks. I think the .ini file may still need 3 axes to work, only activate the first and third?
[22:55:11] <SWPadnos> AXES = 3
[22:55:15] <SWPadnos> COORDINATES = X Z
[22:55:21] <SWPadnos> that's what lathe-pluto has
[22:55:35] <SWPadnos> and I think nist-lathe
[22:56:54] <kirk_wallace> It would be nice to have to only enter data for real axes.
[22:57:15] <SWPadnos> yep
[22:57:18] <fusion_crank> BigJohn, can you help me?
[22:57:50] <BigJohnT> I'll try
[22:57:53] <fusion_crank> I'
[22:58:16] <fusion_crank> I'm trying to get a usb game pad to work according to your simple wiki
[22:58:20] <fusion_crank> I can't make it work
[22:58:36] <fusion_crank> can I send you my files to look over?
[22:58:45] <BigJohnT> pastebin them
[22:58:55] <fusion_crank> what does that mean?
[22:59:07] <BigJohnT> does it "see" your game pad?
[22:59:29] <fusion_crank> it does when I do the test mentioned in step one
[22:59:34] <BigJohnT> pastebin.ca is a place to post up things like your config files so everyone can have a looksee
[23:00:01] <BigJohnT> ok, are the pins named the same?
[23:00:26] <fusion_crank> I just copied the files exactly like in the wiki
[23:00:42] <fusion_crank> I don't know much about linux, so do I need to change them?
[23:01:15] <BigJohnT> open axis and look at
[23:01:32] <BigJohnT> Machine Show Hal Configuration
[23:01:36] <fusion_crank> is it www.pastebin.ca ?
[23:01:47] <BigJohnT> yes
[23:03:04] <fusion_crank> how does it work?
[23:03:31] <BigJohnT> pastebin?
[23:04:16] <archivist> copy paste submit, then give us the url it gives you
[23:04:23] <fusion_crank> ah
[23:04:29] <BigJohnT> thanks archivist
[23:05:00] <fusion_crank> was looking for an attatch button
[23:06:39] <fusion_crank> http://www.pastebin.ca/1055386
[23:07:27] <BigJohnT> fusion_crank: does anything work at all?
[23:08:03] <fusion_crank> emc works fine, but when I use these files emc wont start
[23:08:16] <fusion_crank> I forgot to add the emc errors output
[23:09:14] <BigJohnT> look down at the bottom of the error list the main thing is usually in the last few lines
[23:09:15] <fusion_crank> http://www.pastebin.ca/1055389
[23:09:25] <fusion_crank> here are the errors
[23:09:43] <fusion_crank> LookupError: No input device matching 'Recoil' was found
[23:09:57] <fusion_crank> recoil is the name of my gamepad
[23:09:58] <BigJohnT> it can't find the input device
[23:09:59] <SWPadnos> you haven't loaded halui
[23:10:31] <fusion_crank> which halfile does the line go in?
[23:10:34] <SWPadnos> I think I remember seeing that halui wasn't being loaded (onthat page) when I was in San Jose with JymmmEMC
[23:11:07] <fusion_crank> I put it in custom.hal
[23:11:20] <BigJohnT> brb
[23:13:29] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT is looking
[23:13:55] <SWPadnos> can you put the output from `cat /proc/bus/input/devices` on pastebin?
[23:14:54] <BigJohnT> SWPadnos: I don't see where I had to load halui... but if the name is wrong on the inputdevice that is a problem
[23:15:13] <jepler> if the device name is wrong, or if the user doesn't have access to the device
[23:15:13] <SWPadnos> you probably had it loading for some other reason, so you didn't add it to the wiki page
[23:15:47] <BigJohnT> hmm, I looked in my .hal files and didn't see it...
[23:17:34] <BigJohnT> does the loadusr hal_input -W -KRAL Dual load the halui
[23:17:35] <fusion_crank> here it is
[23:17:55] <fusion_crank> here it is again http://www.pastebin.ca/1055392
[23:18:09] <fusion_crank> it does see the recoil pad
[23:19:19] <BigJohnT> the pin names might not be the same
[23:19:22] <jepler> fusion_crank: did you do one of the things suggested in the section "PERMISSIONS AND UDEV" in the hal_input manpage? if you did not do this, then your user account probably cannot directly access input devices.
[23:19:58] <fusion_crank> missed that totaly
[23:20:11] <jepler> OK, the first option is probably the easiest
[23:20:11] <BigJohnT> I've never seen it either
[23:20:20] <SWPadnos> man hal_input ;)
[23:20:30] <archivist> you had Recoil in the error message not recoil
[23:20:52] <BigJohnT> fusion_crank: if you comment out all the lines except the one that is loadusr hal_input... will it work?
[23:21:05] <BigJohnT> this way you can check the pin names
[23:21:18] <fusion_crank> I'll try it
[23:21:22] <fusion_crank> brb
[23:21:40] <fusion_crank> is the name case sensative?
[23:21:50] <jepler> yes
[23:23:58] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT adds to the wiki page to check your pin names...
[23:28:33] <fusion_crank> big john, if I comment out the lines except for hal_input it will open emc
[23:29:16] <BigJohnT> ok now open up Machine, Show Hal Configuration, Pins, input
[23:29:59] <fusion_crank> what is Machine?
[23:30:07] <BigJohnT> in the AXIS menu
[23:31:38] <fusion_crank> I don't have an input under pins
[23:31:45] <fusion_crank> iocontrol?
[23:31:57] <BigJohnT> no it should be under pins
[23:32:18] <BigJohnT> your game pad might be a strange one...
[23:32:40] <BigJohnT> you see halui right
[23:33:02] <fusion_crank> could it be just a matter of buying a logitech at the computer store?
[23:33:12] <fusion_crank> I got this one at walmart
[23:33:15] <SWPadnos> no
[23:33:59] <SWPadnos> in the halshow window, click on the plus sign next to "components"
[23:35:03] <SWPadnos> if you clicked on the word "Pins", try clicking on the plus sign next to it instead - that will give you a list of pin names (broken down into categories with pluses next to them)
[23:36:15] <fusion_crank> yep, have the list of pis
[23:36:40] <fusion_crank> input?
[23:36:56] <SWPadnos> should be
[23:37:41] <fusion_crank> I can see pins and click on the pluses and see under them, but none that say input
[23:38:21] <BigJohnT> you see stuff like motion, iocontrol, halui right?
[23:38:38] <fusion_crank> axis, axisui,halmanualtoochange,iocontrol,motion,paraport,stepgen
[23:38:54] <BigJohnT> your in the right spot
[23:39:35] <BigJohnT> I read somewhere that some devices don't show up in input correctly
[23:39:50] <BigJohnT> SWPadnos: should he see something in Components?
[23:39:56] <SWPadnos> yes
[23:40:13] <BigJohnT> what should he look for?
[23:40:22] <BigJohnT> mine is out in the garage
[23:40:52] <fusion_crank> halcmd7311?
[23:42:01] <BigJohnT> fusion_crank: I'll be back in a couple of minutes I'll check mine in the garage to see what shows up
[23:42:58] <fusion_crank> thanks!
[23:42:59] <SWPadnos> halcmd tacks its PID onto the component name, so you can have more than one active at a time
[23:43:09] <fusion_crank> ok
[23:44:07] <SWPadnos> you should see hal_input in the components list
[23:44:28] <SWPadnos> and you should have a bunch of pins names input.0.<whatever>
[23:45:20] <fusion_crank> I have no hal_input
[23:45:35] <fusion_crank> I have no pins
[23:46:15] <SWPadnos> in that case, hal_input didn't load
[23:46:20] <fusion_crank> would the pins be missing due the them bein commented out in the hal fine?
[23:46:29] <SWPadnos> you can open a terminal and try to load hal_input manually
[23:46:31] <SWPadnos> no
[23:47:01] <SWPadnos> try this: run a terminal
[23:47:10] <SWPadnos> (Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal)
[23:47:28] <SWPadnos> from the terminal type halcmd -kf
[23:47:58] <fusion_crank> I'm there
[23:48:15] <SWPadnos> then type loadusr hal_input 4
[23:48:23] <SWPadnos> and see if there are any errors
[23:48:49] <fusion_crank> parameter or pin 'oadusr' not found
[23:49:04] <SWPadnos> you missed the lower case L
[23:49:07] <SWPadnos> Loadusr
[23:49:18] <fusion_crank> trying again
[23:49:22] <fusion_crank> odd I cut and pasted
[23:49:30] <SWPadnos> gotta cut more ;)
[23:49:46] <fusion_crank> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/dev/input/event4'
[23:50:08] <BigJohnT> SWPadnos: is that the permissions thing
[23:50:32] <SWPadnos> yep
[23:50:46] <fusion_crank> how do I fix that?
[23:50:58] <BigJohnT> how did I miss that?
[23:51:22] <SWPadnos> heh
[23:51:34] <SWPadnos> gotta run. bbl
[23:52:03] <BigJohnT> come on don't leave us hanging :(
[23:53:22] <archivist> chmod to change permissions, cant remember if thats ok for devices
[23:53:49] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT wonders why I didn't have to do it on either computer
[23:54:20] <archivist> depends who made the device I suppose
[23:54:39] <BigJohnT> or is it the install type?
[23:57:18] <BigJohnT> does this make a difference #
[23:57:26] <BigJohnT> I: Bus=0017 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=0100
[23:57:26] <BigJohnT> #
[23:57:26] <BigJohnT> N: Name="Macintosh mouse button emulation"
[23:57:56] <BigJohnT> fusion_crank: what is the mac mouse button emulation you have?
[23:58:08] <fusion_crank> I have no idea
[23:58:31] <BigJohnT> did you install from the live CD?
[23:58:37] <fusion_crank> I have a wheelmouse thats it
[23:58:40] <fusion_crank> yes
[23:58:49] <fusion_crank> the latest one on the web site
[23:59:01] <BigJohnT> ok, I was just wondering
[23:59:34] <fusion_crank> I have to go get my daughter from practice
[23:59:49] <fusion_crank> I'll check back later to see if SWP is back on