#emc | Logs for 2008-06-16

[00:59:28] <dmess> the BEST use g-code / read g-code like english/french ( 1'st language...)
[02:17:34] <tomp2> heh: one of the loggers is 'zelazny', i think somebody must be a sci-fi freak
[02:29:26] <chr0n1c> http://youtube.com/watch?v=dT6iNiu4tuk <- video of me verifying the function generator board on the mini mill.. freshly cut!
[02:30:33] <chr0n1c> watch out for the sound !!1!!!!!111
[02:30:36] <chr0n1c> lol
[02:35:46] <tomp2> nice vid, thx
[02:37:25] <dmwaters> {global notice} Good day all, I need to do some quick rerouting, this should not take long.
[02:37:35] <chr0n1c> thank you!
[02:37:45] <chr0n1c> *for watching
[02:40:45] <chr0n1c> wow, i'm posting my link again after that buncha netspilt.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=dT6iNiu4tuk <- mini mill vid, fresh cut!
[02:46:11] <chr0n1c> lol, the video is kinda crazy...
[02:46:35] <chr0n1c> i jsut realized that.. i put in all the shaky frames instead of the frames where thecam is sitting still
[02:48:26] <K`zan_emc> back!
[02:48:43] <chr0n1c> kinda looks like i was all hopped up on the drugs...
[02:48:50] <chr0n1c> muahahaha
[02:51:59] <K`zan_emc> OK lets see what you example does.
[02:56:30] <K`zan_emc> Blows up a lot :)
[02:59:14] <K`zan_emc> Ah, now I get it *counterbore* for SHCS :-).
[02:59:24] <K`zan_emc> * K`zan_emc sometimes slow...
[03:14:28] <K`zan_emc> Same thing I get every time I try something with cutter radius comp - "Cutter gouging with cutter radius comp" No matter what size hole it is. Sigh.
[03:14:57] <K`zan_emc> Starting to think I might be better off with a drill, hacksaw and file.
[03:15:22] <K`zan_emc> Certainly faster at my current level of ignorance...
[03:18:12] <chr0n1c> preactice prectice... the first time i ever touched a cnc i slammed the spindle into the table at 30 inches a minute and killed an endmill!
[03:18:20] <chr0n1c> practice practice..*
[03:18:22] <chr0n1c> geesh
[03:18:26] <chr0n1c> typos...
[03:19:15] <chr0n1c> i really need to read what i type before i hit enter
[03:23:39] <K`zan_emc> I need to get away from this for a while, I have reached the point of terminal confusion.
[03:24:36] <K`zan_emc> Find a good book on gcode and spend the next month reading and understanding it or find some of the wincrap CAD/CAM stuff and / or both / and or something :).
[03:24:48] <K`zan_emc> Argh..............
[03:24:53] <K`zan_emc> bblm
[04:50:32] <chr0n1c> does g25 work for emc?
[04:51:13] <chr0n1c> i'm not in realtime so i can't test it
[04:51:17] <chr0n1c> :|
[04:53:04] <chr0n1c> fine i'll boot the laptop...
[04:53:46] <chr0n1c> :)
[05:03:04] <chr0n1c> i found a page where G25 does scaling.. i was hoping it worked...
[05:03:31] <chr0n1c> it was in a zeus cnc manual..
[06:03:26] <K`zan> Night folks and thanks for the help!
[06:53:52] <_Poincare> _Poincare is now known as Poincare
[07:29:16] <Sweeper> I got pickled ginger and a giant (47cm) lego technics racecar for father's day. win
[10:50:38] <micges> good morning
[10:50:44] <Dallur> morning
[10:54:42] <BigJohnT> morning
[11:04:54] <micges> how is emc fest going ?
[11:05:17] <micges> you anyone on fest ?
[11:07:38] <BigJohnT> not me I have machines to finish :(
[11:08:11] <archivist> * archivist loads the webcam pic
[11:08:39] <archivist> as close as I can gets :((
[11:08:55] <Dallur> I live in Iceland and US Customs and Immigration are just to much of a pain to bother
[11:10:04] <BigJohnT> you could sail over Dallur
[11:10:30] <Dallur> BigJohnT: yeahh, :) might take a week or so
[11:11:23] <BigJohnT> I know if your in a hurry don't take a sailboat
[11:11:50] <alex_joni> or start sooner
[11:11:52] <BigJohnT> I used to live on a small on in the Gulf of Mexico on the Mississippi coast
[11:12:00] <BigJohnT> s/on/one
[11:12:06] <Dallur> :)
[11:12:47] <Dallur> BigJohnT: US Customs and Immigration are just crazy at this point, even though I don't have to apply for a visa I have to notify them 3 days before I fly that I will be visiting the US and you can't bring a laptop anymore
[11:12:50] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: "one the Mississippi coast" ?
[11:13:17] <BigJohnT> the state of Mississippi has some coast too :)
[11:13:38] <Dallur> and even if everything checks out they can turn you around for no good reason and force you to buy a brand new ticket home with the next flight
[11:14:17] <BigJohnT> Dang, that's rough
[11:14:37] <archivist> dont look like a terrorist and have an address to go to when you get there
[11:15:07] <Dallur> :( it didn't use to be this way, it used to be fine but now a days It's easier to get into China than it is the US
[11:15:18] <archivist> but rules theses days are stiffer
[11:15:37] <BigJohnT> can't really blame them after 9/11
[11:16:00] <alex_joni> bbl..
[11:16:09] <BigJohnT> ok
[11:16:13] <Dallur> l8r
[11:17:58] <Dallur> BigJohnT: I',m just wenting, I see the need for security but I just think they are doing it all wrong :)
[11:18:40] <BigJohnT> no doubt about that, "they" are doing a lot wrong
[11:19:07] <BigJohnT> but don't get me started LOL
[11:19:38] <BigJohnT> on a brighter note I have been using my plasma cutter and it is doing well
[11:20:29] <BigJohnT> I have a few improvements planned the biggest is a water table
[11:20:45] <BigJohnT> Dallur: are you using a water table on yours
[11:20:46] <Dallur> BigJohnT: yeah, getting that fine iron oxide dust everywhere isn't very nice
[11:21:16] <Dallur> BigJohnT: mine is modular, I can install a waterbath for sections at a time
[11:21:35] <BigJohnT> is yours under the slats?
[11:21:41] <BigJohnT> that's what I'm considering
[11:21:48] <Dallur> BigJohnT: I don't have slats
[11:22:00] <Dallur> BigJohnT: let me find you a pic
[11:22:03] <BigJohnT> ok
[11:22:55] <Dallur> http://dallur.com/index.php?id=44&tx_lzgallery_pi1[subg]=10&tx_lzgallery_pi1[showUid]=1&tx_lzgallery_pi1[old]=5x5x76&tx_lzgallery_pi1[pic]=89&tx_lzgallery_pi1[colrows]=1x1&tx_lzgallery_pi1[clickmode]=samewindow_max
[11:23:26] <Dallur> basically removable studs, anything can be bolted on, slat modules, waterbath, or whatever is most handy
[11:23:57] <Dallur> even rollers, but that gets a bit expensive for plasma when you start chopping them up :)
[11:24:36] <BigJohnT> it will take me a minute or two to load the pic I'm on dialup
[11:24:45] <Dallur> I can find you a smaller version
[11:24:53] <Dallur> http://dallur.com/index.php?id=44&tx_lzgallery_pi1[subg]=10&tx_lzgallery_pi1[showUid]=41&tx_lzgallery_pi1[old]=5x5x76&tx_lzgallery_pi1[pic]=89&tx_lzgallery_pi1[colrows]=1x1
[11:25:57] <BigJohnT> so you put the water bath on top of the studs?
[11:27:03] <Dallur> BigJohnT: no, the bath is basically a plate with pipes and the studs protrude through the pipes
[11:27:33] <BigJohnT> ok, I understand how that works now
[11:27:52] <BigJohnT> rayh: is awake now
[11:28:19] <rayh> Um. Is that what this is
[11:28:33] <rayh> How you doing today BigJohnT?
[11:28:55] <BigJohnT> on my second cup of joe
[11:31:13] <BigJohnT> Dallur: are you using a tank to hold the water and pump it up with air?
[11:32:06] <Dallur> BigJohnT: Drain it with a plug and fill up
[11:32:28] <Dallur> BigJohnT: water here is plentifull, I could have a contant flow through if I wanted
[11:33:23] <Dallur> BigJohnT: plus, I don't cut that much, it's only a hobby for me
[11:33:53] <BigJohnT> I'm in the same boat I don't cut that much but it is fun to do
[11:34:15] <BigJohnT> sometimes I cut parts for work and sometimes for play
[11:34:36] <Dallur> BigJohnT: I have considered an alternative system but that's just a concept
[11:35:01] <BigJohnT> what is the concept?
[11:35:05] <Dallur> BigJohnT: using a magnetic plate under the table should actually bind almost all of the dust
[11:35:44] <Dallur> could even have several segments and only magnetize the area directly under the torch
[11:36:05] <BigJohnT> that would be neat to try
[11:36:11] <Dallur> BigJohnT: theres very little dust when cutting alu so that's not really an issues
[11:36:31] <BigJohnT> I have some 18" convayer magnets that I could try it with
[11:36:32] <Dallur> BigJohnT: stainless has a bit of dust but not nearly as fine as steel
[11:36:55] <Dallur> BigJohnT: It's an interesting concept in any case :)
[11:37:03] <pjm> morning / afternoon all. btw i've just had one of them 'magic smoke' moments, and need to source a mitsubishi IGBT bridge, anyone know of a cheapish source?
[11:37:15] <BigJohnT> how does the finish on aluminum compare to steel on the cut edge?
[11:37:15] <lerman> rayh: you still here
[11:37:20] <lerman> ?
[11:37:59] <rayh> Yep
[11:38:07] <rayh> Got distracted by some early risers.
[11:38:29] <lerman> Are yo u at the fest? Or still in a motel room somewhere?
[11:38:50] <lerman> I was thinking of heading over there, but I didn't want to be the only one there.
[11:39:09] <rayh> Yes
[11:39:28] <rayh> The coffee is on and life is good at the workshop.
[11:39:42] <lerman> OK. I'll shower and get dressed and head on over. See you in a while.
[11:39:49] <rayh> I usually open the doors by 6:30
[11:39:54] <rayh> k
[11:41:17] <rayh> pjm, How big is that IGBT. Does that look like a brick?
[11:41:37] <BigJohnT> Dallur: when cutting aluminum how does the edge look compared to cutting steel?
[11:42:01] <pjm> rayh its about 4" long and 2.5" wide and about 1/4" thick
[11:42:12] <pjm> oh and it has a 1" wide crater in the potting compound...
[11:42:13] <archivist> part number
[11:42:20] <pjm> ps11013
[11:42:25] <pjm> mitsubishi
[11:43:36] <archivist> ew, find a cheaper way, I just saw a price on google
[11:44:11] <Dallur> BigJohnT: a bit rough, It would be interesting to do some more cutting though at higher amperage and speeds, see how it works
[11:44:18] <pjm> well i have found a stockist in germany 74 euros which isnt too bad
[11:44:45] <Dallur> BigJohnT: I'm also hoping that the improvements that I have been making to the THC config will help the cut quality
[11:45:12] <BigJohnT> I'm using a drag tip at the moment
[11:45:21] <archivist> pjm first I found is 143$ so german price is better
[11:45:23] <BigJohnT> on a floating head
[11:46:33] <Dallur> BigJohnT: 40A max then ?
[11:46:44] <BigJohnT> no 80 amp max
[11:46:56] <Dallur> BigJohnT: that's a big drag tip :)
[11:47:01] <pjm> archivist http://pjm.dyndns.org/cnc/oops.jpg
[11:47:10] <BigJohnT> same size as the 40
[11:47:22] <BigJohnT> the only change is the nozzle
[11:47:32] <BigJohnT> hypertherm 1250
[11:47:42] <Dallur> BigJohnT: my power source automatically reduces the amperage to 40A if it detects the tip in contact with the material
[11:47:54] <Dallur> BigJohnT: so the largest drag tips I can use are 40A
[11:48:18] <archivist> pjm, proper failure, have you found out why it went?
[11:48:28] <BigJohnT> I have found a schematic for a THC that I'm exploring
[11:49:38] <Dallur> BigJohnT: is it the same base as the thc300/mp1000 units ?
[11:50:12] <BigJohnT> I think it might be... it was in one of the first mach manuals
[11:50:16] <Dallur> BigJohnT: you might be interested in these, someone asked yesterday what the cut quality was like with steppers (he was afraid they were to jerky) so I took some pics of cutoffs from 3mm material which were cut using the THC: http://imagebin.org/19943 http://imagebin.org/19944
[11:51:16] <BigJohnT> nice cut
[11:51:43] <Dallur> BigJohnT: I think it can get better, but that's not bad at all
[11:51:54] <pjm> archivist yes it was due to me not doing up the wire to the braking resistor. it came off and flopped onto the mains live terminal
[11:52:10] <pjm> so a note to self, do bloody terminal screws up tighter
[11:52:33] <rayh> The last one I replaced was bigger but cost about $700
[11:53:14] <pjm> archivist : interestingly the module still works but comes up with over-temp on the display. the logic all looks fine but i wont really know until i replace the module and test it all out
[11:54:48] <BigJohnT> Dallur: that is right at 12 gauge material. What speed are you using?
[11:54:50] <rayh> I've heard that IGBT tends to degrade rather than just a catastrophic failure.
[11:55:05] <BigJohnT> I've been cutting 12 gauge at 160 IPM
[11:55:26] <Dallur> BigJohnT: for 3mm around 3000mm per minute so about 118" per minute
[11:55:32] <Dallur> BigJohnT: at 40A
[11:55:45] <pjm> rayh yes this was to do with the load resistor, so mains was shorted across the few ohms to the controller inside. it was a pretty loud bang too
[11:55:48] <BigJohnT> I'm using 40 amps too
[11:56:06] <Dallur> BigJohnT: apparently the quality gets quite a lot better by going to 80/100A and increasing the speed
[11:57:43] <BigJohnT> hmmm, that's just the opposite of what I read on the CNC zone from Jim Colt...
[11:58:24] <Dallur> BigJohnT: The recommendations from Thermal Dynamics for my machine say something like 80A 5000mm/m if I remember correctly, let me check
[12:01:04] <BigJohnT> If I remember right Jim Colt said the quality was better at lower amps but you suffer from loss of production because of slower speeds
[12:01:25] <BigJohnT> that is why commerical shops run as fast as they can
[12:02:23] <BigJohnT> I think my biggest problem is moisture in my air for quality... I need to work on getting a dryer
[12:03:19] <Dallur> BigJohnT: 80A 5486mm/m
[12:03:51] <Dallur> BigJohnT: I went a bit crazy, bought an Atlas Copco rotary with a dryer :P
[12:04:42] <Dallur> BigJohnT: never ever seen a drop in the condensation filters neither oil nor water
[12:04:53] <BigJohnT> that's got to be nice
[12:05:28] <BigJohnT> my hypertherm manual only goes down to 3/16 at 80 amps
[12:06:22] <Dallur> BigJohnT: Interesting, I wonder what the reason is for the difference
[12:08:05] <BigJohnT> I do notice a difference in speeds between the unshielded and shielded charts for the same thickness.
[12:08:33] <BigJohnT> it might be that for mechanized the tips are different than for hand cutting
[12:09:06] <BigJohnT> they both show the same torch to material distance of 1.5mm
[12:09:32] <Dallur> BigJohnT: they might also give lower speeds for hand cutting, moving that fast with a hand torch is not easy, and maintaining the speed can be challenging
[12:10:01] <BigJohnT> actually the speed for hand cutting is higher in my charts
[12:11:02] <Dallur> bbl, lunch
[12:11:20] <BigJohnT> ok, I got to get ready for work
[12:11:25] <skunkworks_> BigJohnT: have you had this issue? http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59536
[12:13:10] <BigJohnT> skunkworks_ the installer issure or the other?
[12:13:19] <BigJohnT> issue
[12:14:36] <skunkworks_> sounds like the gcode generated from sheetcam is creating a 'chord_deviation' issue in emc
[12:15:34] <BigJohnT> I have not seen that with sheetcam generated g code from the windoz version
[12:15:44] <skunkworks_> ok
[12:15:54] <BigJohnT> the linux version still will not install from autoloader
[12:15:59] <skunkworks_> wonder if it is just a setup issue
[12:17:09] <BigJohnT> dunno, he does not explain very well where the error is from so it's kinda hard to follow as he has several programs displayed at one time
[12:18:06] <BigJohnT> I'm running the latest 2.3 and have not seen anything like that from EMC
[12:18:36] <skunkworks_> ok - thanks
[12:18:57] <BigJohnT> ok gotta go now talk to you guys when I get to my shop
[12:19:40] <skunkworks_> drive safe. (or walk - whatever)
[12:47:53] <skunkworks_> heh - I thought I saw a putty cat.
[12:48:13] <skunkworks_> *tat
[12:48:33] <rayh> Hey skunkworks you under water?
[12:49:39] <archivist> hmm missed that, I saw the puddy tat last year skunkworks
[12:50:33] <skunkworks_> rayh: no - high and dry here..
[12:50:50] <skunkworks_> closest issues would be viroqua
[12:51:08] <skunkworks_> I think
[12:51:31] <skunkworks_> lacrosse also still has some wetlands.. I think that helps
[12:52:24] <skunkworks_> I wonder if that is still borus
[12:52:27] <skunkworks_> boris
[12:53:06] <skunkworks_> rayh: you didn't get much rain up there did you?
[12:56:25] <skunkworks_> rayh: how is the turn out and how are your classes going?
[13:07:05] <cradek> that is definitely boris.
[13:08:10] <skunkworks_> Cool :)
[13:08:24] <skunkworks_> morning chirs
[13:08:26] <cradek> hi
[13:08:27] <skunkworks_> chris
[13:08:48] <skunkworks_> How are things going so far? seems people are interested in your max :)_
[13:09:18] <cradek> jmk has a knack for programming it. he's made a neat demo that cuts a sphere.
[13:09:40] <cradek> max has a fast spindle and it cuts wood pretty nicely.
[13:10:08] <skunkworks_> Neat. can't wait to see it in person.. (don't break it) ;)
[13:10:33] <cradek> heh
[13:10:40] <skunkworks_> looks like there maybe a video of it? (tripod near the mazak)
[13:10:56] <cradek> it's not strong enough to break itself. it could only gouge itself.
[13:11:07] <skunkworks_> heh
[13:11:10] <cradek> not yet but we should make one.
[13:13:34] <jepler> morning cradek
[13:13:44] <skunkworks_> morning jepler
[13:13:47] <jepler> et al
[13:14:10] <cradek> hi
[13:14:17] <cradek> I should be getting ready, shouldn't I
[13:14:20] <cradek> bbl
[13:14:45] <jepler> yeah probably
[13:37:47] <dimas> hi all
[13:38:11] <dimas> M300 stepper motor - is it a known thing?
[13:38:46] <dimas> It is in old wire erosion Agiecut 50 machine
[13:39:54] <archivist> does it also have a kakers name on the motor
[13:39:58] <archivist> makers
[13:40:28] <dimas> have not seen the machine yet
[13:40:35] <dimas> may be tomorrow
[13:41:55] <skunkworks_> long shot http://www.interinar.com/motors/34HT1.8.htm
[13:43:32] <dimas> have limited documentation in german (or what is used in switzerland)
[13:44:03] <BigJohnT> is the web cam turned on at the fest? it looks dark in there...
[13:44:25] <skunkworks_> I don't think it is updated
[13:44:49] <skunkworks_> boris has been sitting on the chair forever :)
[13:45:46] <dimas> skunkworks: thanks
[13:46:36] <dimas> anybody here uses electro erosion machines?
[13:50:06] <BigJohnT> I know someone who does... does that count? :)
[13:50:36] <archivist> I would like to, does that count?
[13:52:02] <dimas> BigJohnT: sure, we could gather a lot of questions :)
[13:53:33] <dimas> Motors should be M705 Motor Step Syn Sanyo Typ 103-715-6 and Typ 103-775-6
[13:54:16] <tomp2> dimas, tom truty at http://www.techstar-edm.com has the motors, and some agie repair places in europe also.
[13:54:31] <tomp2> (and drivers and other parts )
[13:57:01] <dimas> there is some concern about generator's condition
[13:58:08] <tomp2> "erosion Agiecut 50" ?? 250?? he has generator parts too. and there's one at the fest too ( dead for years :)
[13:58:33] <dimas> Agiecut 50
[13:59:14] <tomp2> photo would help truty
[13:59:27] <dimas> tomp2: thanks for the link
[14:00:25] <tomp2> i speciualized in agie sinkers after the 1st couple generation of wires, so dont know a lot of the 'newer' wedm stuff. He does.
[14:01:01] <tomp2> np
[14:01:10] <dimas> would emc fit well to control this beast?
[14:01:18] <dimas> hope so..
[14:02:47] <tomp2> one person used emc to 'do' edm. the strategy was to automaticly reduce velocity till a stabile sparking was achieved. it cannot back up a single step or micron. so your mileage may vary
[14:04:59] <tomp2> and no ones done the kinematics for xyuv (z) of a wedm
[14:05:22] <dimas> how manufacturers are cooperative about such oblosete equipment, for simplest example - is there any chance to get english documentation?
[14:05:48] <tomp2> hmm, w/o any kins, its easy ( leave the kins up to the cam )
[14:06:41] <tomp2> reL docs, there's little to be gotten free, and what to do with it can be complicated ( as you know ) ask truty he may be able to help
[14:06:47] <tomp2> re: docs
[14:07:34] <tomp2> its a damn good machine tool, real 1um accuracies are possible with it
[14:08:06] <tomp2> bbl
[14:09:56] <dimas> regarding kinematics - on the factory where this machine is now, as the control system has mulfunctions they are doing just straight line cutting :)
[14:13:34] <dimas> how hard would be to adopt kinematics for that kind of machines?
[15:50:06] <tomp> dimas: i think no kins is needed, as long as the cad specifies what each 'joint' does. so even the fancy iso radii, tapered radii and leading radii (skewed) are possible without special kins.
[15:50:39] <tomp> dimas: i >>think<<< ;)
[15:53:11] <tomp> imo special kinematics is only needed when an axis has more than 1 joint. i think the xyuvz wire edm is handled by trivkins, where each axis is connected to a single joint
[15:54:56] <tomp> so, (imo) special kinematiics is not needed, but special cam is ( that understands 2 simultaneous paths , upper & lower) connected by the tool ( a wire )
[15:56:54] <tomp> dimas: if they are doing straight line cutting, then they have a working generator. if they dont have a working edm-cnc, then they are using some 'feedrate' not edm-servo like the lazarenkov's developed
[15:57:42] <archivist> wow the webcam woke up!
[15:58:22] <dimas> tomp: thanks a lot, I'll dig more about all these
[16:03:55] <tomp> dimas: and a special cam isnt neccesary (its easier) we used to program that by hand, even tapered radii
[16:06:02] <dimas> what is "cam" here?
[16:11:12] <dimas> cam as special software?
[16:13:14] <archivist> cad to gcode
[16:15:29] <BigJohnT> jmkasunich: gave it a swift kick
[16:16:35] <archivist> which one is he?
[16:17:15] <dimas> yep
[16:19:35] <BigJohnT> I'm not sure
[16:21:01] <skunkworks_> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop07/DSC_3749.JPG
[16:22:05] <skunkworks_> far left - Swpadnos. far right jmkasunich, middle right jepler. back of head - cradek. frontleft - me.
[16:24:10] <archivist> * archivist feels in place but afar, also a bearded hairy one
[16:26:33] <skunkworks_> heh
[17:30:36] <skunkworks_> festl?
[17:41:57] <fest1> Hi skunkworks, It's ray in drag!
[17:43:27] <skunkworks_> Heh :)
[17:43:35] <skunkworks_> how are the classes going?
[17:54:34] <fest1> Good Getting ready for the first config/hal class this am. Steve built a great test/demo board.
[17:55:37] <fest1> You'll have to play with it when you get down here.
[17:58:18] <chr0n1c> too bad there is no streaming audio with the classes and such...
[17:59:06] <fest1> Probably better.
[17:59:47] <chr0n1c> are they being recorded on video? would be great to have for the wiki
[18:04:47] <tom1> bbl
[19:34:56] <awallin> can you guys in the us follow the live golf on www.usopen.com ? I wonder what they use to detect that I'm not supposed to get their service (based on my IP). Would it be possible to surf via a proxy in the US ?
[19:59:06] <gefink> awallin: you can try to use Thor anonymizing with an US-Dialout
[21:53:07] <dmess> hi all
[23:02:21] <dmess> http://www.surfwisefilm.com/ this guy had/has it figured out...
[23:04:14] <chr0n1c> ehhh.. anybody gonna watch the weeds season 4 episode 1 tonight?
[23:04:22] <chr0n1c> i don't have showtime anymore :(
[23:50:06] <renesis> hey you guys know about NUM cnc controllers?
[23:50:24] <renesis> its windows trash, totally looks dos, running on a win xp dell
[23:50:52] <renesis> it makes me sad
[23:51:10] <toastyde1th> i saw an ad for one in a trade magazine
[23:51:25] <toastyde1th> but uh, most controls look like dos
[23:51:29] <toastyde1th> so why is that a downside?