#emc | Logs for 2008-06-07

[00:00:07] <eric_U> that's propaganda
[00:00:17] <eric_U> it's crazy if you even read the analysis
[00:00:24] <eric_U> you're an engineer
[00:00:32] <toastydeath> i believe it mindlessly!
[00:00:34] <eric_U> you could poke holes in that analysis all day
[00:01:09] <toastydeath> Jesus would drive a hummer
[00:01:13] <toastydeath> and you can't argue with jesus.
[00:01:57] <Gamma-X> i think jesus would drive a labaron
[00:02:06] <jmkasunich> wwjd means "what would jesus drive" ?
[00:02:12] <toastydeath> exactly.
[00:02:24] <Gamma-X> lol
[00:02:38] <jmkasunich> they let some mighty strange people in this channel
[00:04:00] <toastydeath> =)
[00:04:54] <eric_U> were is the evil Rayh to boot you crazy ppl
[00:06:00] <toastydeath> driving a hummer, obv
[00:06:34] <eric_U> I hope he's driving it downhill, driving it uphill costs about $10 a mile
[00:07:42] <toastydeath> like the one guy who has the VW bug with the jet engine and gets 15 gallons to the mile
[00:09:20] <eric_U> wreckedexotics.com says they have pictures of crashed hummers
[00:09:25] <eric_U> but I don't see them
[00:13:35] <eric_U> I'm trying to figure out what to use for the z axis on my pc board router
[00:15:10] <eric_U> and can anyone suggest a source for couplings like mcmaster p/n 60635K1 in metric bore?
[00:29:12] <fenn_> they dont look very rigid
[00:29:14] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[00:30:11] <toastydeath> well i meant the engine block
[00:30:50] <fenn> i mean the pinhole disc coupling aka "schmidt coupling"
[00:30:55] <toastydeath> oh.
[00:31:01] <toastydeath> excellent.
[00:32:15] <fenn> eric_U: looks like the bore is supposed to cover a range of sizes?
[12:15:40] <BigJohnT> morning Gamma-X
[14:37:06] <JymmmEMC> Morning Ladies anf Gentlemen
[14:39:25] <jmkasunich> there are no gentlemen here
[14:39:43] <jmkasunich> ruffians and scalawags 0only
[14:39:50] <JymmmEMC> Well, I just was giving the benefit of the doubt
[14:40:17] <OoBIGeye> lol
[14:46:53] <JymmmEMC> If I wanted to see when the box was rebooted, lost pwr etc, which log would I typically look at?
[14:47:20] <jmkasunich> the kernel log usually gets a crapload of messages when the box boots
[14:47:24] <jmkasunich> /var/log/messages
[14:47:58] <JymmmEMC> looking...
[14:49:40] <JymmmEMC> Crap, looks like debian defaults to only a weeks worth of log files
[14:51:10] <JymmmEMC> Hmmmm weird... uptime says 123 days, yet mrtg says 24 days.
[14:51:41] <JymmmEMC> uptime
[14:51:41] <JymmmEMC> 07:50:20 up 123 days, 9:48, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[14:51:55] <JymmmEMC> The statistics were last updated Saturday, 7 June 2008 at 7:50,
[14:51:55] <JymmmEMC> at which time 'banshee' had been up for 24 days, 17:52:11.
[14:56:05] <JymmmEMC> Hitting the gun show today, hopefully they'll have some toys there
[15:01:35] <SkullWorks_PGAB> Buy Ammo! ( While you still can.)
[15:02:10] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: Actually, that was my exact reason for going. Secondly if they have anything else I may wnat.
[15:03:09] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: There's a bill to limit ammo purchases in Calif, same with you?
[15:03:26] <SkullWorks_PGAB> * SkullWorks_PGAB uses an empty 100lb Powder keg as a clothes hamper.
[15:03:45] <SkullWorks_PGAB> no not here yet...
[15:04:00] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: and 20 full kegs to mount the washer on?
[15:04:23] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: Oh, you just heard about the bill?
[15:04:53] <SkullWorks_PGAB> I do have 2 Dillon's ( a XL650 and RL450)
[15:05:25] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: I was just wondering why you said buy ammo while I still can.
[15:05:35] <SkullWorks_PGAB> yeah - I grew up in the L.A. area, still have many friends there.
[15:05:43] <JymmmEMC> ah, gotcha
[15:06:48] <SkullWorks_PGAB> Thanks to the lottery I got a priceless college education.
[15:06:59] <JymmmEMC> Now that I think about it, that's a lot of ammo.... 9mm, 38, 25, 22, 10ga, and I have nfc what the winchester takes, never fired it.
[15:07:43] <SkullWorks_PGAB> CA started pouring money into the schools and they created some great (but short lived) programs.
[15:08:15] <JymmmEMC> Yeah lottery helped our schools my ass.
[15:08:31] <SkullWorks_PGAB> OMG - Your a 10ga. shooter too!
[15:08:57] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: Welllll, sorta kinda.... I can't take it to "public" ranges though.
[15:09:45] <JymmmEMC> Same with the winchester
[15:10:37] <SkullWorks_PGAB> but back during Reagan - The defense industry was in full production - the colleges had work/study placement programs that gave you real world training - none of that type of stuff is being made now.
[15:11:20] <JymmmEMC> The winchester was a real working gun at the time with the Texas Rangers, and well during it's usage part of the SN had been rubbed off, so I'm leary of taking it out in public.
[15:13:19] <SkullWorks_PGAB> I had a 38 S&W like that - but there was a 2nd serial# stamped inside - under the top strap.
[15:14:42] <JymmmEMC> This thing has had so many repairs done to it over the years... The stock has copper wire wrapped aorund and soldered where it split once. So unless I "unsolder" it I can't remove the stock.
[15:15:08] <JymmmEMC> 2008 - 1884 = long ass time =)
[15:15:23] <SkullWorks_PGAB> yep
[15:18:20] <JymmmEMC> What ammo does a winchester rifle use?
[15:18:57] <jepler> joedj: libogc-20080602 here .. you may be right
[15:19:11] <jepler> oops
[15:19:39] <dmess> what rifle??
[15:19:48] <JymmmEMC> winchester 1884
[15:20:33] <dmess> is that a ball and cap gun??
[15:20:46] <JymmmEMC> heh, no. lever action
[15:21:26] <dmess> it should have a chamber guage stamped on it somewhere??
[15:21:31] <JymmmEMC> looks like it might be 38-40 WCF-caliber
[15:21:39] <JymmmEMC> I'll have to pull it out and look
[15:22:11] <dmess> or measure the bore
[15:22:52] <dmess> that age im guessing 30 or 30 caliber
[15:23:04] <dmess> 35 sorry
[15:23:17] <dmess> could be a 30-30
[15:23:49] <JymmmEMC> Maybe I'll ask around at the gun show today
[15:24:10] <dmess> theres a thought... 8-)
[15:24:13] <JymmmEMC> oh wiat, it's NEXT weekend, damn.
[15:24:23] <dmess> DOH
[15:24:46] <JymmmEMC> http://www.tsgunshows.com/index.htm#
[15:26:18] <dmess> looks like that would be fun
[15:28:23] <JymmmEMC> I'll have to see if it'll be cheaper to buy at the show or at the local store... 1000rnds of 9mm (target stuff) is $200
[15:29:03] <dmess> that sounds pretty good to me
[15:29:08] <SkullWorks_PGAB> Jym - try 44-40
[15:29:34] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: Is that a range ?
[15:29:34] <dmess> they fit and shoot out of a 410 shotgun
[15:29:36] <SkullWorks_PGAB> measure the bore
[15:29:59] <SkullWorks_PGAB> no 44-40 is a cartridge
[15:30:17] <JymmmEMC> like 30-30? But what do the numbers represent?
[15:30:25] <dmess> yes... and can be fired from a 410 guage shotgun
[15:30:28] <JymmmEMC> diam x length?
[15:30:50] <SkullWorks_PGAB> dia and black powder charge
[15:30:56] <dmess> .4440 dia. chamber bore
[15:31:09] <JymmmEMC> ah
[15:31:12] <SkullWorks_PGAB> no - smaller
[15:31:44] <SkullWorks_PGAB> let me grab a book
[15:32:40] <dmess> listen... a 303 has a round .303" in dia... a 30-06 is .3006" dia... follow me
[15:34:07] <SkullWorks_PGAB> Dmess - both 303 and 30-06 use .308" projectiles...
[15:34:34] <SkullWorks_PGAB> the 303 is the bore before being rifled
[15:34:48] <dmess> shotguns is different...but the inside of your riffling is 303
[15:35:21] <SkullWorks_PGAB> 30-06 stands for Caliber 30 adopted (19)06
[15:35:50] <dmess> shotguns its the # of lead balls of that dia. to make a pound...
[15:36:04] <SkullWorks_PGAB> yup
[15:36:13] <dmess> except for the .410... go figure
[15:38:44] <SkullWorks_PGAB> OK - a 44-40 uses a .427" bullet, the case is necked down a bit, the shoulder is .927 to 1.017 from the case head.
[15:39:45] <JymmmEMC> Ok, so what does the "44" and the "40 represent?
[15:41:52] <SkullWorks_PGAB> .44" is the dia of the case at the mouth with a bullet seated. and used 40 grains of black powder
[15:42:11] <SkullWorks_PGAB> just like 380 acp
[15:42:13] <JymmmEMC> ah, hmmm, 40gr dont seem like much
[15:42:35] <SkullWorks_PGAB> 380 is the dia of the case mouth
[15:42:57] <SkullWorks_PGAB> well - 9mm uses about 5gr of smokeless
[15:43:15] <SkullWorks_PGAB> 45acp uses 5.5
[15:43:17] <JymmmEMC> I just bought a box of target, which is like 138 grain
[15:43:42] <SkullWorks_PGAB> thats bullet weight, not powder weight
[15:44:01] <JymmmEMC> really?
[15:44:25] <JymmmEMC> I always thought that was powder
[15:44:55] <SkullWorks_PGAB> they rarely tell you what powder or how much.
[15:46:12] <SkullWorks_PGAB> factory loads are just sold - they don't want someone trying to duplicate there load, then have problems and try to sue them for bad info.
[15:46:30] <JymmmEMC> heh
[15:46:48] <dmess> yup
[15:48:42] <dmess> we use to do our own loading at the gun shop i worked at...
[15:49:15] <dmess> i use to hunt with my moose masher .303 loads....
[15:52:58] <SkullWorks_PGAB> I use one of these to make ammo for my subguns http://www.magmaengr.com/item.php?id=33
[15:53:03] <dmess> we prep'd and delivered all the weapons used in the rambo series of movies...
[15:54:24] <dmess> nice machine
[15:56:05] <SkullWorks_PGAB> yeah I like it - that and buying powder by the case (4x8lb kegs) is the only way I can afford to shot thoses bullet hoses.
[15:57:11] <JymmmEMC> SkullWorks_PGAB: Let me guess, you store the poweder kegs near the open-flame water heater, right?
[16:11:09] <SkullWorks_PGAB> only the empty ones...
[16:12:13] <JymmmEMC> heh, how much powder is in each keg? 40lbs?
[16:12:58] <SkullWorks_PGAB> normally 8lbs per keg
[16:13:15] <JymmmEMC> ah, ok. you burry the or anything?
[16:13:32] <SkullWorks_PGAB> http://www.eaglebit.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EB-190-00280&Click=12666 - Netmos PCI dual paraport
[16:13:49] <SkullWorks_PGAB> not yet
[16:14:24] <SkullWorks_PGAB> still have 1300lbs of lead ingots stacked in the corner of the kitchen
[16:14:36] <SkullWorks_PGAB> its a very small pile
[16:22:38] <awallin> OT: is MathML supposed to work for rendering math in HTML with current IE or FF browsers?
[16:23:54] <JymmmEMC> are the right fonts installed and such?
[16:25:50] <awallin> hm, maybe it's just wordpress that doesn't like mathml, this page seems to work ok http://lwlss.net/FrequencyExample.mml
[16:25:53] <jepler> awallin: looks like it's been years since w3.org tried to answer that question: http://www.w3.org/Math/iandi/ -- my impression is that mathml is not that lively.
[16:38:19] <gezr> awallin: try mathbin
[16:38:32] <gezr> wait thats pretty much all latex
[16:40:17] <awallin> gezr: thanks, I'll try that.
[16:41:04] <gezr> its nothing that solves math, just a way to input it
[16:41:25] <eric_U> you would think that math would already be in latex
[16:41:27] <gezr> open office has a math application as well
[16:41:55] <awallin> I need the images for blog posts. There's a latex plugin for wordpress but that requires latex installed on the server (my ISP doesn't have latex)
[16:43:39] <gezr> with openoffice math, you can export them as pdf
[16:43:56] <gezr> and save them as mathml
[16:46:16] <eric_U> I was just searching for ways to get svg into latex, and saw a reasonable number of packages to do the reverse
[16:46:49] <fenn> hieroglyphics.. bah
[16:47:16] <eric_U> it's all fenn's fault, he got me started with inkscape
[17:08:24] <eric_U> my son has been catching ants to feed to his carnivorous plant
[17:21:01] <dmess> Cool...
[19:00:41] <awalli1> for a vmware ubuntu install, are there ready-made non-realtime sim packages of emc2? or do I need to compile from source?
[19:03:36] <fenn> yes, see http://www.linuxcnc.org/dapper/emc2-install-sim.sh
[19:04:40] <awalli1> fenn, thanks, I'm just upgrading my vmware install to hardy
[19:04:57] <fenn> ah, then i dont know if it works
[19:07:34] <gezr> well, there was a diference between 15ft lbs and 26lbs, meant almost stripping out a tapped hole, well, I did strip it, but not bad enough that its not going to work
[19:08:31] <SkullWorks_PGAB> awalli1 - Could you put more specifics about your spindle motor VFD combo on your blog?
[19:08:39] <SkullWorks_PGAB> Nice work BTW.
[19:09:23] <awalli1> SkullWorks_PGAB: yeah, if you remind me often enough. Do you mean the VFD-motor connection or more about the way emc2 controls the VFD?
[19:10:09] <SkullWorks_PGAB> actual motor and VFD combo, mainly
[19:10:41] <JymmmEMC> awalli1: vmware what? workstation? server? fusion?
[19:10:47] <awalli1> actually I took a pic of the jury-rigged spindle encoder today... let me dig it out of the phone
[19:10:53] <SkullWorks_PGAB> might also add the snip of code that had the G33.1 in it for the 5 hole sequence.
[19:11:17] <awalli1> JymmmEMC: server I guess, the program I use for running ubuntu as a guest os on top of winxp
[19:12:06] <JymmmEMC> awalli1: WEll, it could be either, I was just asking which it was.
[19:12:12] <JymmmEMC> fusion == mac
[19:15:32] <fenn> jymmm is a vmware nerd
[19:17:54] <JymmmEMC> It really is pretty awesome
[19:19:37] <JymmmEMC> On my MBP, I have 3 XP VM's + two CentOS VM's. I can backup, copy, and move the VM's to any box (even live) and it's done.
[19:23:04] <awalli1> here's the encoder that enabled the now-oh-so-famous youtube rigid tapping videos: http://imagebin.ca/view/PmwSYlCX.html looks professional doesn't it? with a piece of plastic tubing as an axis coupler...
[19:23:31] <JymmmEMC> Not sure if an update is a "good thing"? Take a snapshot, upgrade, if it does bad things, restore the snapshot.
[19:24:47] <dmess> iv been leary of upgrading too
[19:25:31] <JymmmEMC> dmess: Well, this is with anything actually. Either production, or just tesitng in a dev environment
[19:26:48] <JymmmEMC> If something ever happened to our 8 cpu box, we cna toss up individual boxes and a VM to eahc box and we're up and going again.
[19:51:10] <Roguish> hey you python guys. if i modify pyvcp_widgets.py, do i need to recompile emc2?
[19:52:00] <awalli1> no, don't think so
[19:52:16] <awalli1> what changes are you planning?
[19:52:56] <Roguish> thanks. you're the right guy. i want a rectanglar LED.
[19:53:19] <BigJohnT> no Roguish
[19:54:13] <BigJohnT> hmmm maybe
[19:54:18] <Roguish> i want to replace create_oval with create_rectangle.
[19:54:23] <awalli1> the led shape could be made an option for the <led> tag, either round or square
[19:55:07] <awalli1> or do you really want the rectangular with different height and width?
[19:55:20] <Roguish> sure.
[19:55:51] <Roguish> i like big visible shapes that fill an hbox or a vbox.
[19:56:39] <awalli1> JymmmEMC: are these problems are read about with VMware Tools and Ubuntu 8.04 real, or can I just go ahead and install vmware tools?
[19:57:11] <awalli1> Roguish: if this light ever lights - run!
[19:57:36] <Roguish> something like that.
[19:58:05] <Roguish> also, how do i center the current LED in an hbox?
[19:59:23] <renesis_> center the current LED?
[19:59:30] <awalli1> I don't remember if there is anything for centering. probably not. try reading the tkinter docs
[20:00:46] <renesis_> 12:58 < Roguish> thanks. you're the right guy. i want a rectanglar LED.
[20:00:52] <renesis_> omg software widget leds?
[20:01:05] <renesis_> i thought you guys were doing something fun =(
[20:03:13] <awalli1> python virtual LEDs...
[20:04:00] <BigJohnT> didn't I see that on a star trek episode?
[20:06:56] <Roguish> there is 'justify' under standard options, but it is not listed as an option in frame.
[20:07:26] <Roguish> how 'bout in the xml?
[20:08:26] <awalli1> there might be a list of allowed options in pyvcp_widgets.py you could add justify there and try it
[20:08:40] <Roguish> huh?
[20:09:52] <awalli1> all pyvcp widgets inherit from tkinter, so if justify is an allowed option for a tkinter frame, then it should be possible to try it fairly easily with pyvcp
[20:10:12] <awalli1> I'm still setting up my vmware server and 8.04 but I might take a look later
[20:11:20] <Roguish> it is not listed in the options for 'frame' http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/frame.htm
[20:13:42] <awalli1> could you use a 3x3 grid layout and put the widget you want centered in the middle cell?
[20:14:16] <awalli1> * awalli1 is rebooting...
[20:20:33] <JymmmEMC> Um I have no idea of what problems tthat you read about, as I didn't read them
[20:21:12] <JymmmEMC> Though, I probably wouldn't run ubuntu on xp, as much as xp on ubuntu
[20:21:28] <JymmmEMC> or XP in any nix for that matter.
[20:21:33] <JymmmEMC> s/in/on/
[20:41:22] <kirk_wallace> Are Jon or Jeff online?
[20:41:33] <Roguish> awalli1, yes, guess i could do it with a table.
[20:43:04] <awallin> Roguish: ok... let us know if you make any successful mods to pyvcp_widgets
[20:43:59] <SWPadnos> kirk_wallace, who wants to know?
[20:45:25] <kirk_wallace> I have been working on my inductor heating problem through e-mail and thought being on realtime might help.
[20:46:30] <awallin> with 50kHz PWM from the m5i20 my three PWM amps from Jon never get even mildly hot (this is the heatsink, I haven't touched the inductors)
[20:47:46] <SWPadnos> awallin, wasn't that you who wanted the 100-MHz timebase added to the Mesa PWM?
[20:48:21] <awallin> SWPadnos: yes, exactly. Jon suggested I use them at 50 kHz and peter W produced a 100 MHz clock config very quickly for me
[20:48:44] <awallin> the 100 MHz fpga configs are in cvs but you have to load them yourself with m5i20cfg
[20:49:02] <kirk_wallace> I have a Pluto at 19.5(?)kHz and 53 VDC for the motor supply. The inductors got hot enough to slightly discolor the varnish.
[20:49:47] <awallin> my DC supply is around 80 V and I guess the motors draw something like 2-4 A routinely with up to 10 A momentarily
[20:49:48] <SWPadnos> that's probably too hor
[20:49:50] <SWPadnos> hot
[20:51:26] <kirk_wallace> It hot enough that you absolutely know you shouldn't touch them but you want to anyway.
[20:51:49] <JymmmEMC> awallin: I have no idea what problems you read about
[20:52:23] <kirk_wallace> and others feel compelled to say "don't touch!"
[20:52:28] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: FYI... linksys has a 23p mgnt switch with rate shaping for $450
[20:52:28] <awallin> JymmmEMC: something about the newest vmware server having vmware tools not very compatible with 8.04, but maybe that's fixed already
[20:52:41] <SWPadnos> GBe?
[20:53:07] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: 10/100/1000 =) with two miniGBIC ports even
[20:53:11] <awallin> kirk_wallace: did you look at the PWM with a scope? did you make sure it's pwm all the way and not flat-lining at either logic '1' or logic '0' when commanded pwm is either at 0% or at 100%
[20:53:14] <SWPadnos> cool
[20:53:24] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1160628690529&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=9052995123B19
[20:53:41] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Even has mac/ip/service ACL's too
[20:53:49] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: per port or vlan
[20:54:01] <SWPadnos> nice
[20:54:07] <SWPadnos> was taht typo? is it 24 port?
[20:54:11] <kirk_wallace> I only used a voltmeter to do a sanity check.
[20:54:19] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: they have both 24 and 48 port verions
[20:54:28] <SWPadnos> yes, "taht" was a typo :)
[20:55:03] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: either learn typo or read the damn link =)
[20:55:08] <awallin> kirk_wallace: are you monitoring the commanded PWM ? does it go near 100%? or are the inductors heating up even when the motors stand still?
[20:55:10] <kirk_wallace> I was thinking a WRT54GL would do shaping, but with only four ports.
[20:55:19] <SWPadnos> I read the link after asking, of course
[20:55:36] <JymmmEMC> kirk_wallace: not out of the box, maybe via OpenWRT
[20:55:46] <kirk_wallace> Yes
[20:55:55] <JymmmEMC> this is out of the box
[20:56:05] <JymmmEMC> it's a managed switch
[20:56:47] <kirk_wallace> Oops, I meant with OpenWRT. I don't know about anything else.
[20:56:48] <JymmmEMC> The ONLY thing I don't like about it is has Telnet and TFPT
[20:57:21] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Heh, the default baud rate on the serial port is 38000 too =)
[20:57:33] <SWPadnos> of course :)
[20:57:39] <SWPadnos> at least it's not 9600
[20:57:49] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: That' always been the defacto standard
[20:57:59] <SWPadnos> which? 9600?
[20:58:13] <JymmmEMC> Whats this serial port connector on my car? Well set term to 9600 and find out!
[20:58:48] <SWPadnos> yep - lots of things default to that
[20:58:48] <JymmmEMC> black box with db9 connector??? toss on a 9600 terminal and connect
[20:59:27] <SWPadnos> I've seen 9600, 19.2k and 38.4k on various things
[21:00:06] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: When it's crap like that, bugs the crap out of me as is it baud rate, straight, null, custom pinout, etc
[21:00:50] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Like cisco console cable... fuckers jsut fliped it instead of using a null modem
[21:01:12] <JymmmEMC> so I have to carry around all these adapters
[21:01:12] <SWPadnos> s9/25 pin, DCE or DTE, null modem, gender, hardware/software/no handshaking, then you get into the baud rates, start/stop bits and parity
[21:01:41] <SWPadnos> thousands of standards to choose from!
[21:01:45] <SWPadnos> all one low price!
[21:01:47] <JymmmEMC> 8N1 is usually same across (for the most part)
[21:01:48] <SWPadnos> each
[21:01:48] <JymmmEMC> lol
[21:01:52] <kirk_wallace> I remember a serial break-out box that did all of the pin sorting for you.
[21:01:56] <SWPadnos> or 7E1 ...
[21:02:10] <JymmmEMC> I havne't seen anything that out of the box used 7e1
[21:02:11] <lerneaen_hydra> SWPadnos; that's what's so good about standards, there's so many to choose from
[21:02:39] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: 7E1, is that a telecom thing?
[21:02:41] <SWPadnos> some industrial dtuff does, I think
[21:02:45] <JymmmEMC> ah
[21:02:45] <SWPadnos> stuff
[21:03:04] <kirk_wallace> I think my Cisco router admin port is that way(7e1 or 2?)
[21:04:22] <kirk_wallace> Since you are on the subject, does anyone know of a good linux PC to T1 configuration?
[21:07:48] <SWPadnos> maybe look at hardware that works with Asterisk as a starting point
[21:08:41] <SWPadnos> http://www.digium.com/en/products/digital/
[21:08:45] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC configs the pxe server
[21:10:08] <kirk_wallace> I think I sent them some e-mail inquiries, but got no real information back.
[21:11:45] <kirk_wallace> I will be using the T1 for Internet only, and needed to know which of their products would be most appropriate.
[21:12:16] <kirk_wallace> Their cards aren't cheap ether.
[21:12:33] <SWPadnos> ah. yeah, I don't really know what works well. I guess I'd take a look at the kernel config page for ISDN or "Other" networking devices
[21:15:15] <kirk_wallace> The other thing is, I got this Cisco out of the trash for free, it's plugged in and seems to be working.
[21:39:31] <JymmmEMC> Cool! The PXE is up and running =)
[21:39:45] <JymmmEMC> Cool! The PXE serveris up and running, and jsut booted off it =)
[21:40:34] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Hey, I just found a great use for the artigo box =)
[21:40:38] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:41:29] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: http://sysresccd.org grab the iso, then head over here http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_PXE_network_booting
[21:41:55] <JymmmEMC> I want to toss this on a thumbstick then I'll edit the files.
[21:42:58] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: One semi-screwy thing... either make the pxe server and change the conf script, or make it instead
[21:43:15] <SWPadnos> heh - that does sound screwy
[21:43:45] <JymmmEMC> they defaulted to .5 instead of .1 but eh, I guess not to conflist with any router you have on the lan
[21:44:31] <JymmmEMC> Hmmm, let me try with and see what happens
[21:50:27] <skunkworks> fenn: is it flooding near you?
[21:59:58] <fenn> skunkworks: it was a couple days ago
[22:00:23] <skunkworks> oh - I thought I cought more flooding today on the news.
[22:00:46] <SWPadnos> TIVO error!
[22:00:56] <skunkworks> It is raining hard here again
[22:01:11] <skunkworks> little bit of hail earlier
[22:01:26] <SWPadnos> was it really hot a couple of days ago?
[22:02:19] <skunkworks> not that I remember.
[22:02:31] <SWPadnos> ok. then maybe we won't get hail in a couple of days
[22:02:37] <skunkworks> heh
[22:02:39] <SWPadnos> I guess we're getting someone else's used weather
[22:02:56] <SWPadnos> it got to around 90 today
[22:03:50] <skunkworks> it has been really cool here
[22:04:18] <skunkworks> for the most part. a bit humid yesterday - but still not that hot
[22:04:43] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Stop stealing the neighbors wifi that has been rooted from some place in russia
[22:05:00] <SWPadnos> uh - ok
[22:05:14] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: botnet
[22:05:27] <SWPadnos> root this!
[22:05:53] <JymmmEMC> been there, done that. why the hell you thin you got crappy weather reports for.... DUH!
[22:06:08] <JymmmEMC> ^k
[22:06:20] <SWPadnos> see you. it's dinner time ;)
[22:06:49] <JymmmEMC> better than hammer time
[22:39:05] <skunkworks> paula35: hello
[22:45:21] <SkullWorks_PGAB> sam, you ever try to add current limiting?
[22:47:31] <skunkworks> not yet. been busy. if you go thru my thread on cnczone - someone added it to their circuit. i have not looked at it
[22:48:41] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25929
[22:57:04] <jmkasunich> I found a neat book at half-price books today, for $6
[22:57:18] <fenn> so it normally costs $12?
[22:57:23] <jmkasunich> "Modern Metal Cutting", by Sandvik, circa mid 90's
[22:57:31] <jmkasunich> probably more than that
[22:57:58] <jmkasunich> 800 or so pages
[22:58:11] <jmkasunich> all about what actually goes on when metal meets tool
[22:58:18] <jmkasunich> edges, chip formation and breaking, etc
[22:59:32] <cradek> sounds neat but very dry reading
[22:59:48] <jmkasunich> handy when you have insomnia
[22:59:56] <jmkasunich> educational tho
[23:00:20] <jmkasunich> remember the big chips at mpm?
[23:00:32] <jmkasunich> I just ran across a pic that makes them look small
[23:01:03] <jmkasunich> guy holding a spiral chip, his left hand holds one end, below his waist, the other end is eye height
[23:01:30] <jmkasunich> looks like the chip is about 1-1/2" wide, 1/8" thick, and formed into about a 4" diameter spiral
[23:02:17] <cradek> woo
[23:02:31] <cradek> I made some like that today
[23:02:34] <cradek> well, maybe a bit smaller
[23:02:35] <jmkasunich> sure
[23:02:47] <cradek> lots of 5/8 drilling in steel
[23:02:48] <jmkasunich> lathing on the bport again?
[23:02:50] <jmkasunich> ah
[23:02:56] <jmkasunich> what are you making?
[23:02:59] <cradek> that's what low gear is for. it works so great
[23:03:17] <cradek> more bus tank mounting work
[23:05:44] <jmkasunich> you ain't got that done yet?
[23:05:49] <crotchetyGuy> jmkasunich: that's a good book- and worth the gloat at that price:) I paid full:<
[23:05:58] <cradek> getting there
[23:06:11] <jmkasunich> whatcha waiting for? milking the job?
[23:06:31] <jmkasunich> crotchetyGuy: any recollection of what full price is?
[23:06:42] <cradek> more like second-guessing the design over and over, combined with procrastination
[23:06:46] <crotchetyGuy> no, not really-
[23:06:52] <crotchetyGuy> been a while
[23:06:52] <jmkasunich> cradek: btdt
[23:07:00] <jmkasunich> in fact I specialize in it
[23:07:01] <cradek> also, ever drilled 5/8 holes in a bus frame?
[23:07:18] <jmkasunich> no, can't say I have
[23:07:20] <cradek> jmkasunich: yes, I think it's close competition, but you're at least as good as me at it
[23:07:25] <jmkasunich> I can say it would be unpleasant
[23:07:42] <cradek> rented one of those magnetic drill press thingies
[23:07:49] <jmkasunich> ah, nice
[23:08:03] <jmkasunich> there is no substitute for pressure
[23:08:08] <cradek> it works great but weighs 700lb
[23:08:12] <jmkasunich> there's a reason they call it a drill _press_
[23:08:19] <jmkasunich> 700?
[23:08:22] <cradek> well maybe 100, I dunno
[23:08:27] <jmkasunich> how the heck to you place it?
[23:08:32] <cradek> gets f-ing heavy after a while
[23:08:51] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich failed to recognize exageration
[23:09:00] <cradek> one large guy (I imagine), or two normal people
[23:09:28] <cradek> I bet it would be simple if you were drilling down, not horizontal
[23:09:45] <jmkasunich> simpler anyway
[23:10:22] <cradek> about $90 for the weekend rental though, ouch
[23:10:41] <jmkasunich> I saw something on the interwebs years ago - a clamp-like drill portable drill press that let you apply tremendous pressure to the drill tip
[23:11:03] <jmkasunich> such that you could drill tough steel using very low speeds - turning the drill with a crank basically
[23:11:18] <cradek> sounds neat
[23:11:35] <cradek> I bet it doesn't take many turns for a big hole if you have enough pressure
[23:11:48] <jmkasunich> thats the idea
[23:11:54] <jmkasunich> wish I could find it again
[23:12:37] <cradek> if you can drill .010/tooth, that's 12 turns for 1/4" steel
[23:14:30] <cradek> but that's twice what I was doing on the bp
[23:15:00] <cradek> it was 200rpm 2ipm I think
[23:16:21] <jmkasunich> Cole Drill!
[23:17:21] <jmkasunich> http://www.dogpatch.com/bobp/shop/cole_drill.jpg
[23:17:45] <cradek> neato
[23:17:56] <cradek> ah it screws down
[23:18:20] <jmkasunich> yep
[23:18:38] <jmkasunich> turn the handle a rev, then tighten the hex
[23:19:02] <cradek> bbl
[23:19:52] <jmkasunich> http://literature.rustyiron.com/ColeDrill.pdf
[23:20:01] <jmkasunich> old brochure
[23:42:41] <Roguish> hey all, is there a pin, parameter, or signal for the current feed rate? i've looked, but cannot seem to find one.