#emc | Logs for 2008-06-04

[00:20:19] <Gamma-X> can anyone recomend an encoder... like give me a model?
[00:24:48] <jmkasunich> go to usdigital.com
[01:38:46] <stustev> good evening
[01:39:08] <eric_U> so sez you
[01:39:19] <SWPadnos> hiya
[01:39:36] <eric_U> just don't trust anything that SWPadnos tells you
[01:39:38] <stustev> did you get the diff file?
[01:39:48] <SWPadnos> I did see it, but haven't thought about it much :)
[01:39:53] <stustev> I like your smile :)
[01:40:09] <SWPadnos> thanks. I brushed my keyboard teeth today
[01:40:12] <SWPadnos> ;)
[01:40:17] <stustev> does that mean you don't think much of my programming? :)
[01:40:20] <jmkasunich> hi stustev
[01:40:36] <SWPadnos> heh - no, it's not that I can't think about it - just *didn't* :)
[01:40:39] <stustev> hi John
[01:40:53] <stustev> :)
[01:40:59] <stustev> lots of smiles tonight
[01:41:07] <dmess> guys... be nice..:)
[01:41:08] <SWPadnos> we're just a happy group I guess
[01:41:12] <SWPadnos> or stupid. hmmm
[01:41:20] <stustev> what happened to smiley eric_U?
[01:41:38] <jmkasunich> I just made a vismach model of chris's 5-axis maxnc, and I'm thinking of setting my sights on something bigger - do you have any drawings, etc that would let me model a Cinci 5-axis?
[01:41:40] <eric_U> he
[01:41:51] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/pics/max5gui-1.png
[01:41:53] <eric_U> got rained out from swimming tonight
[01:42:15] <dmess> i can get cad models..
[01:42:34] <jmkasunich> I just need some basic dimensions and maybe a few photos to work from
[01:42:36] <stustev> I have some drawings.
[01:42:46] <jmkasunich> I only want to model the basics
[01:43:21] <stustev> I have a kind of model in emc. like the 5 axis model Chris did. I have a 5 axis bridge also.
[01:43:23] <jmkasunich> I think it would be neat to have simulations for some of the more complex kins machines
[01:43:37] <dmess> if your to do it .... do it 1 time... correctly
[01:43:51] <jmkasunich> yeah, I started with the 5-axis bridge when making the max model
[01:43:59] <jmkasunich> much easier than starting from scratch
[01:44:41] <stustev> I will post them tomorrow. They will be on www.mpm1.com:8080
[01:44:48] <jmkasunich> ok, thanks
[01:45:12] <stustev> I will probably do the G&L pretty soon also.
[01:45:31] <jmkasunich> virtual machine shop
[01:45:38] <stustev> exactly
[01:45:40] <dmess> G&L boring mill??
[01:45:48] <stustev> yes
[01:46:06] <jmkasunich> dmess: http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html
[01:46:06] <dmess> make sure i get the link..
[01:46:18] <jmkasunich> scroll down
[01:46:20] <stustev> although the sims don't look as neat on the bridge as they do on the 5 axis Chris did.
[01:46:25] <dmess> great minds
[01:46:53] <dmess> think alike
[01:47:02] <stustev> I thought of that
[01:47:08] <stustev> :)
[01:47:25] <dmess> but WHEN...
[01:47:33] <jmkasunich> I'm going to be adding a directory to the configs tree in CVS: emc2/configs/vismach
[01:47:46] <jmkasunich> with a variety of "virtual machines"
[01:48:08] <dmess> nice...
[01:48:24] <jmkasunich> it would be nice to have the G&L, Cinci, max5, a bport, etc, in there
[01:48:42] <stustev> jmk: I don't know if I will have a pickup ready to go to Galesburg. I may not be able to bring the laser tracker.
[01:48:59] <jmkasunich> thats ok
[01:49:06] <jmkasunich> we'll have plenty of things to do
[01:49:19] <stustev> I have configs to run each of the models I built
[01:49:26] <jmkasunich> cool
[01:49:51] <stustev> I wasn't thinking of doing anything with it while we are there. You would take it home to work on it.
[01:50:07] <jmkasunich> oh, ok
[01:50:26] <jmkasunich> if you can bring it, fine - if not, thats fine too
[01:51:09] <stustev> If/when you think you might have time/want to work on it let me know I will ship it to you.
[01:51:20] <SWPadnos> did you ever figure out the W jogging problem?
[01:51:24] <jmkasunich> heh - too many projects to little time
[01:51:32] <SWPadnos> 2011 I think ;)
[01:51:33] <jmkasunich> SWPadnos: me?
[01:51:36] <stustev> EGGGGGG on my face
[01:51:39] <SWPadnos> no, sorry - stustev
[01:52:00] <stustev> I had connected the output to axis.3 not axis.8
[01:52:05] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:52:09] <stustev> yeh
[01:52:12] <jmkasunich> I like simple problems
[01:52:20] <stustev> very much so
[01:52:27] <jmkasunich> a little egg beats pulling out hair for dayas
[01:52:27] <SWPadnos> oh, that's where I left my stupid hat ;)
[01:52:40] <SWPadnos> always useful for debugging, that hat
[01:53:22] <stustev> I always must Keep It Simple - cause i am Stupid
[01:53:27] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:53:37] <stustev> :)
[01:53:44] <SWPadnos> design for morons, what's the worst that can happen? :)
[01:54:19] <stustev> It is not possible to idiot proof anything. A better idiot comes along every day.
[01:54:46] <SWPadnos> yeah. that seems to be one of the only growth industries these days
[01:55:04] <stustev> We have to cut up scrap parts to get them out of our system. A guy today almost cut up the good ones.
[01:55:18] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:55:36] <jmkasunich> ouch
[01:56:22] <stustev> In the long run it will be a good thing. We will be able to make the system better. It will be less likely to happen again.
[01:56:24] <dmess> our new 1.5 million dollar FIDIA High speed machining center lew the major p/s for the 3rd time..... time for EMC2
[01:56:54] <dmess> STU we do too
[01:57:27] <stustev> Is the FIDIA a 5 axis post mill/
[01:58:04] <stustev> 4 posts and the rails on top of the posts?
[01:58:10] <dmess> yes... serial # 0036.... im scared
[01:58:41] <dmess> no... creeper rail for a Y axis
[01:58:59] <stustev> There is a shop here in Wichita with one. When they got the bugs worked out of it (it took a while) it is a very good, very accurate machine.
[01:59:13] <dmess> hangs over a stand alone table..
[01:59:57] <stustev> cantilevered? not like a gantry or bridge?
[02:00:25] <stustev> moves like a HBM?
[02:00:27] <dmess> there are a few state side... but for me as a toshiba rep... it was make CHIPS ASAP
[02:00:54] <dmess> cantalevered...
[02:01:14] <dmess> you know of HBM's
[02:02:13] <stustev> the one in Wichita is like a gantry. With the rails on top of 4 posts and a stationary table underneath. The Z axis ram has a two axis (BC) head.
[02:02:24] <dmess> im doing a tech spec.. gimme your dream machine..
[02:02:32] <stustev> Horizontal Boring Mill?
[02:02:36] <dmess> yes
[02:03:06] <stustev> the biggest WMV mill turn!!!!
[02:03:18] <dmess> what safety regs are you fighting down there??
[02:03:38] <dmess> we have 2 150's
[02:03:43] <stustev> safety regs? on the machine controls?
[02:03:54] <toastydeath> anything that might move, for any reason, at any time, must be completely dismantled when not in use
[02:03:55] <dmess> and guarding
[02:03:58] <toastydeath> and even when in use
[02:03:59] <stustev> WMV 150's?
[02:04:12] <dmess> TOS??
[02:04:28] <stustev> close
[02:04:38] <dmess> wfl
[02:04:59] <stustev> dmess: when you say down there - where is it down there from?
[02:05:15] <dmess> toronto
[02:05:26] <dmess> WMV??
[02:05:37] <stustev> do you do work for Bombardier?
[02:05:55] <dmess> all their landing gear...
[02:06:09] <stustev> the WMV would be ideal
[02:06:30] <dmess> do you do work for Hawker ??
[02:06:39] <dmess> have a pic??
[02:06:42] <stustev> yes
[02:06:47] <stustev> pic of what?
[02:06:55] <dmess> the macine..
[02:07:04] <dmess> h4000??
[02:07:30] <stustev> I would have to scan it from a brochure. I drool on the brochure once in a while.
[02:07:37] <jmkasunich> heh
[02:07:44] <stustev> I will look for one.
[02:07:56] <jmkasunich> what is the machine again? (full name)
[02:08:19] <dmess> yours???
[02:08:36] <jmkasunich> the one you are looking for a pic of!
[02:08:56] <stustev> I don't remember the numbers - WMV mill turn - it is a big lathe with milling and more.
[02:09:14] <dmess> its a wfl mill turn...
[02:09:37] <dmess> the cats ass
[02:10:11] <dmess> i thought he had another machine in mind
[02:11:04] <dmess> volst alpin stigiel
[02:11:14] <dmess> austrian
[02:14:30] <dmess> we are doing gear hobbing on ours ...
[02:14:39] <gezr> cheater
[02:15:18] <dmess> the f18 nose gear is roughed pre heat treat in 60 hrs...
[02:16:09] <stustev> couldn't find anything
[02:17:13] <dmess> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdSpcqa2Svo&NR=1 heres a baby 1
[02:17:18] <stustev> I will find the brochure tomorrow. I don't have one of these machines.
[02:19:24] <jmkasunich> thats one heck of a toolholder in that vid
[02:19:43] <renesis> stustev: mmmmmm, nc lathe/machining centers [droool]
[02:23:57] <stustev> that's the machine
[02:25:03] <stustev> sweet machine - unlimited capability
[02:25:23] <renesis> everything is XYZ limited =(
[02:25:30] <dmess> we nee 2 bigger ones and 2 more 150's
[02:25:38] <eric_U> wouldn't want to get hit by those chips, it's like an avalanche
[02:25:40] <renesis> nice chips
[02:25:58] <stustev> the first or second job on any new machine is bigger than the machine can handle
[02:26:13] <renesis> hahaha @ toolchanger
[02:26:20] <renesis> thats some star wars shit
[02:26:28] <dmess> Y is limited and NOT symmetrical.... i used to be factory applications eng in canada
[02:26:54] <renesis> thing must have a badass toolcatcher =D
[02:26:58] <eric_U> that's because they shipped the defective ones to canada
[02:27:00] <renesis> er, partcatcher
[02:27:06] <eric_U> :-D
[02:27:14] <dmess> a -h
[02:27:38] <toastydeath> are those capto holders
[02:27:42] <toastydeath> they look like capto
[02:27:55] <toastydeath> awesome stuff
[02:27:58] <dmess> no ... HSK 100
[02:28:07] <stustev> they might be CAPTO but they wouldn't be capto
[02:28:11] <renesis> haha those chips are awesome
[02:28:37] <dmess> another REAL machine
[02:28:41] <dmess> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13vwhyaaLiQ&feature=related
[02:28:48] <renesis> omg @ 3:35 in
[02:28:53] <renesis> want
[02:28:55] <eric_U> what's the diameter of the wheel on that toolchanger?
[02:29:05] <renesis> haha
[02:29:13] <renesis> a person walked by it, i think like 5-6'
[02:30:17] <jmkasunich> renesis: the 3:35 - you mean chamfering that hole?
[02:30:23] <renesis> yeah
[02:30:40] <jmkasunich> I challenged cradek to do that on max5
[02:30:45] <renesis> like, big things throwing chips is expected
[02:30:51] <jmkasunich> (he did it on a simple vertical hole)
[02:30:54] <renesis> when they start doing the 3d arcs and shit, i trip out
[02:31:20] <dmess> t/c wheel is 1.5 m
[02:32:09] <dmess> i can do it wit APT 360
[02:32:38] <dmess> if you make me a post we can cut it
[02:34:36] <stustev> post for what?
[02:35:41] <stustev> EMC can do all of what we saw on both youtube videos
[02:38:17] <dmess> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic9jr-2eO3s&feature=related
[02:39:58] <toastydeath> i thought emc had limited look ahead
[02:40:22] <dmess> this has dual 840 d's...
[02:42:52] <gezr> dmess: all of that is really neat
[02:49:28] <dmess> i live it every day... ; ) maybe my life doesn't suck afte allr
[02:49:47] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html
[02:49:51] <jmkasunich> oops
[02:50:03] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY3MnWBx0pI&feature=related
[02:50:30] <jmkasunich> deep hole at 3:42
[02:51:29] <jmkasunich> make that 3:30 - finishes at 3:42
[02:54:23] <DanielFalck> stustev: I think crotchetyGuy is modelling up your cinci 5axis in vismach
[02:55:46] <stustev> hey great - can't wait to see it
[02:56:29] <DanielFalck> http://imagebin.org/19348
[02:56:38] <DanielFalck> I just saw the image
[02:57:19] <stustev> looks good - it looks like a cinci 20V
[02:57:47] <DanielFalck> he says he's working on an apt360 post for you
[02:58:14] <DanielFalck> he does some nice stuff
[02:58:15] <stustev> for the cinci?
[02:58:34] <DanielFalck> I thought he was doing something 5axis, so I assumed so
[02:58:58] <stustev> I don't need pivot length or tool length in the post
[02:59:05] <eric_U> stustev, you're in Witchita?
[02:59:18] <stustev> yes
[02:59:34] <stustev> you?
[02:59:36] <eric_U> I have a cousin that lives there
[02:59:53] <stustev> do you ever get here?
[03:00:00] <JymmmEMC> eric_U: Does you cousin have a long tail and wear a red hat?
[03:00:04] <eric_U> no, drove through once
[03:00:15] <stustev> does you cousin work in a machine shop?
[03:00:29] <eric_U> no, he's a lawyer for some company there
[03:00:59] <stustev> corporate lawyer - ugh :)
[03:01:00] <eric_U> jealous of his toyshed though, it's a 20 bay garage
[03:01:19] <stustev> it would be nice to have some toys like that
[03:01:28] <eric_U> yeah
[03:01:36] <eric_U> don't think even he could afford it around here
[03:01:58] <stustev> eric_U: where are you?
[03:02:10] <eric_U> state college PA
[03:02:32] <stustev> if you don't mind - what is your cousin's name?
[03:02:44] <eric_U> Seibels
[03:03:55] <stustev> did his son graduate high school from Sunrise Christian Academy?
[03:04:28] <eric_U> no
[03:04:47] <stustev> I don't know him
[03:04:48] <eric_U> sorry i before e
[03:04:55] <eric_U> didn't think you would
[03:06:15] <eric_U> found him on the internet, he rated his car at edmunds.com http://www.edmunds.com/jaguar/xkr/2004/review.html
[03:06:32] <stustev> there was a Jake Siebels graduate from SCA 4 years ago.
[03:07:04] <eric_U> no sons that I know of
[03:10:20] <stustev> that doesn't mean anything - I just found out my grandfather is not my grandfather - his brother is my grandfather
[03:10:56] <eric_U> ok, that's strange :)
[03:12:27] <stustev> they didn't speak for the rest of their lives - amazing - I had always wondered why I never met grandpa's brother
[03:12:45] <stustev> they have both been dead for more than 20 years now
[03:12:54] <stustev> secrets always surface
[03:15:04] <eric_U> looks like his daughter is graduating from KU
[03:15:59] <stustev> very good Uni. - good for her
[03:17:21] <stustev> good night all
[03:17:28] <eric_U> funny what google knows about us
[06:04:26] <tomp2> is there a way to get circular interpolation with u & v axis ?
[06:07:33] <micges> good morning
[06:07:47] <tomp2> good morning
[06:08:36] <micges> today driving licence test :P
[06:09:40] <tomp2> are you very young or very old ? ( otherwise people dont worry ;)
[06:09:55] <micges> hehe
[06:09:58] <micges> 24
[06:10:26] <tomp2> dont worry, you'll be fine
[06:10:28] <micges> not very young :P
[06:10:45] <micges> thanks
[06:11:01] <micges> how old are you ?
[06:11:10] <tomp2> very old, 60 this year
[06:11:23] <eric_U> wow, you are old
[06:11:29] <tomp2> hahaha
[06:11:34] <eric_U> :)
[06:11:51] <micges> wow
[06:11:53] <eric_U> I'll be 50 this year
[06:13:09] <micges> tomp: you are Tom Proctor ?
[06:13:17] <tomp2> well i just tried g2u9v0i-9j0 to see what happens, and circular interp is reserved for primary axis
[06:13:46] <tomp2> micges: no, and do you mean Fred Proctor ( od early emc fame?)
[06:14:07] <tomp2> of early emc fame
[06:14:44] <micges> yes sorry ;)
[06:15:05] <tomp2> np, thx for confusing me with someone who knows something ;)
[06:15:32] <micges> hehe
[06:15:52] <tomp2> well, this ol man gotta crash, g'nite
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[10:48:47] <BigJohnT> sheetcam for linux has just been released!
[10:55:03] <Zarquon_> nifty.
[12:03:01] <micges> BigJohnT: what happened with Fred Proctor ?
[12:27:25] <harty_> harty_ is now known as harty
[13:45:35] <BigJohnT> anyone install the linux version of sheetcam yet?
[13:46:18] <SWPadnos> I'd take that as a no
[13:47:02] <BigJohnT> or everyone is working :)
[13:47:11] <SWPadnos> oh. hadn't thought of that
[13:47:13] <SWPadnos> :)
[13:50:34] <alex_joni> or they just won't share :D
[13:50:40] <BigJohnT> LOL
[13:50:48] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: tried it?
[13:51:13] <BigJohnT> I tried to install it this morning but didn't quite get it to work :(
[13:51:29] <BigJohnT> I think I answered a question wrong...
[13:52:08] <BigJohnT> seemed like it installed but it did not show up on the menu...
[13:52:42] <alex_joni> I'm sure it won't show up
[13:53:00] <BigJohnT> what do you think I missed?
[13:53:07] <alex_joni> I doubt it installs things to the menu.. but you can always run it from a terminal
[13:53:13] <alex_joni> (my 2 cents worth of guessing..)
[13:53:18] <SWPadnos> it's a menu item thing - you may need to run it from the command line
[13:53:41] <SWPadnos> though the packaging system they use advertises that it handles menus correctly
[13:53:56] <BigJohnT> ok, I can't try it here in my machine shop as we have no linux machines :(
[13:54:16] <SWPadnos> get cygwin and SSH into it (-X or -Y)
[13:54:38] <skunkworks> what is this person asking? http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59031
[13:55:24] <SWPadnos> they want a terminal that shows emc messages
[13:55:47] <Jymm> skunkworks: If you start emc from cli instead of clicking an icon, you cant get diagnostic messages
[13:55:57] <Jymm> s/cant/can/
[13:57:16] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=459466&postcount=6
[13:57:20] <SWPadnos> they'll need to set up an icon to do that automatically. It looks as though you can't easily make a menu item run emc in a terminal
[13:58:12] <SWPadnos> ah - ok. there is/was a tcl/tk message display way back when, I think
[13:58:24] <SWPadnos> I don't know if it was only there for high debug levels or errors or what
[13:58:36] <SWPadnos> but I think I remember seeing such a beast
[13:58:40] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: even then.. but it's a pita
[13:58:44] <SWPadnos> it could also be a tkemc thing
[13:58:51] <alex_joni> if the program faults and exists, the terminal goes away too
[13:59:35] <SWPadnos> there should be an option to leave it open after the program exits
[13:59:55] <gezr> I have to leave for another day of school soon, math homework last night was insane, the int of x*sqrt(x-3) from 3 to 4 took about 2 hours to figure out
[14:01:15] <SWPadnos> hmmm. maybe not
[14:01:38] <gezr> there should be a logging feature
[14:01:53] <gezr> almost like the kernel logs, where you can control the level of messages recorded?
[14:02:26] <SWPadnos> it might be called show_errors.tcl, but I'm not sure
[14:03:50] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: that should pop up by default
[14:03:57] <alex_joni> if emc2 faults out
[14:05:29] <SWPadnos> oh, ok
[14:17:38] <micge1> logger_emc: bookmark
[14:17:38] <micge1> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-06-04.txt
[14:19:18] <anonimasu> hm anyone seen tomp?
[14:34:27] <archivist> anonimasu, at 7:12 tomp2 well, this ol man gotta crash, g'nite and its 15 30 ish now
[15:09:02] <mozmck> I just installed SheetCam TNG on Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) without a hitch. It put a menu item under Graphics
[15:17:45] <Jymm> Is that like Star Trek?
[15:18:42] <BigJohnT> mozmck: I must have messed it up somehow...
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[16:40:15] <BigJohnT_> I know this is a linux question but, how do you uninstall a package?
[16:41:22] <archivist> depends on distro see docs for your package manager
[16:41:28] <acemi> aptitude purge package_name
[16:41:57] <acemi> or apt-get remove --purge package_name
[16:42:04] <anonimasu> archivist: i guess he'll be around later
[16:42:30] <archivist> probably
[16:43:11] <BigJohnT_> in ubuntu
[16:43:41] <BigJohnT_> is there a command to see if it exists like if you don't know the exact spelling of the package
[16:44:13] <archivist> some can list installed packages
[16:44:24] <acemi> dpkg -l | grep so─▒me_letter
[16:48:05] <BigJohnT_> thanks, It doesn't show up as installed and won't reinstall so I'll mess with it later
[16:48:13] <jepler> BigJohnT_: or if you know a file installed by the package, you can run something like dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/appyoudontwant
[16:48:34] <BigJohnT_> ok jepler I'll try that
[16:48:36] <jepler> the GUI package managers may have ways of helping you do this as well, but my familiarity with them is nil
[16:50:45] <BigJohnT_> I went into the usr/bin folder with the file browser and there are no files that have todays date on them...
[16:51:24] <jepler> the thing you want to remove -- what is it and how did you install it in the first place?
[16:52:13] <BigJohnT_> sheetcam for linux, it uses autopackage to install and the instructions on the autopackage site are limited to a good install :(
[16:52:43] <jepler> OK, if you didn't install it with apt, dpkg, or a GUI front-end to one of them, then you can't *uninstall* it that way either.
[16:52:59] <BigJohnT_> ok, thanks
[16:53:07] <BigJohnT_> I'll have to try later I guess
[16:54:04] <jepler> I assume you tried package list / package remove packagename as suggested on http://autopackage.org/using.html ?
[16:54:15] <alex_joni> BigJohnT_: hang on, I'm trying to install it too
[16:54:21] <BigJohnT_> ok
[16:54:58] <BigJohnT_> I did find a bit more info on the autopackage site
[16:56:38] <BigJohnT_> jepler: that's what I'm trying now thanks
[16:58:38] <mozmck> BigJohT_: generally on Ubuntu or Debian I use synaptic...
[16:58:49] <alex_joni> mozmck: not an option here
[17:00:04] <mozmck> when I installed SheetCam, Autopackage installed a menu item under System Tools called Manage 3rd Party software
[17:01:33] <BigJohnT_> mozmck: It did here too but it does nothing
[17:02:08] <alex_joni> BigJohnT_: you can remove a package with "package remove packagename"
[17:02:24] <BigJohnT_> I just finished doing that
[17:02:45] <alex_joni> BigJohnT_: Manage foo works here
[17:02:56] <alex_joni> it shows a list with installed stuff (Sheetcam in my case)
[17:03:07] <BigJohnT_> let me try that
[17:03:15] <alex_joni> Sheetcam works
[17:03:22] <alex_joni> I used "Sh<tab><tab>"
[17:03:44] <alex_joni> the executable is named "/usr/bin/SheetCamTNG"
[17:04:09] <mozmck> huh. did it not install a menu item?
[17:04:20] <alex_joni> mozmck: not for SheetCam
[17:04:36] <mozmck> It put one under Graphics for me.
[17:04:40] <alex_joni> ah.. same here
[17:04:46] <alex_joni> (didn't look in Graphics..)
[17:04:53] <mozmck> :)
[17:05:36] <BigJohnT_> alex_joni: there is no file in /usr/bin so I think the autopackages is what is hosed
[17:06:08] <alex_joni> BigJohnT_: it was straightforward here
[17:06:16] <alex_joni> don't see anything you could do wrong :D
[17:06:20] <BigJohnT_> maybe I need to reboot after removing autopackage
[17:06:20] <mozmck> same here.
[17:06:30] <BigJohnT_> some how I did :)
[17:06:37] <mozmck> I downloaded http://www.sheetcam.com/autopackage/SheetCam%20TNG%200.0.23.package
[17:06:55] <mozmck> changed permissions to make it executable, and ran it!
[17:07:13] <mozmck> had to enter my password a time or two...
[17:07:15] <BigJohnT_> same here, I got confused a bit when it wanted a password, that part didn't go well
[17:07:39] <mozmck> It had an option to install locally instead of system wide.
[17:07:56] <mozmck> I think it you just hit enter it may have defaulted to a local install
[17:08:03] <BigJohnT_> I must have wizzed by that
[17:08:12] <mozmck> which would not have given it permission to install a menu item
[17:08:26] <SWPadnos> a user can modify their own menus
[17:08:43] <mozmck> how?
[17:08:44] <SWPadnos> I think the files go in the ~/.desktop or ~/Desktop dir
[17:08:45] <BigJohnT_> I've done that SWPadnos
[17:09:02] <BigJohnT_> I used the alacart menu editor
[17:09:08] <mozmck> I'll have to check that out...
[17:10:48] <BigJohnT_> * BigJohnT_ is headed back to the machine shop and will try some more later...
[17:10:54] <BigJohnT_> thanks guys
[17:10:59] <LawrenceG> hi guys... any reports on how well sheetcam works so far?
[17:11:10] <SWPadnos> well, the reports are mixed
[17:11:14] <SWPadnos> some people can't even install it ;)
[17:11:16] <mozmck> I don't know how to use it yet!
[17:11:20] <mozmck> But it runs...
[17:11:29] <mozmck> here...
[17:11:29] <BigJohnT_> I've used the windows version but it is a beta and still has a few bugs
[17:11:47] <BigJohnT_> SWPadnos: are you talking about me!
[17:11:55] <SWPadnos> who, me? would I do that?
[17:12:02] <BigJohnT_> :)
[17:12:03] <alex_joni> mozmck: new part, load dxf
[17:12:07] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos whistles innocently
[17:12:12] <alex_joni> click on the metal sheet where you want to nest it
[17:12:16] <alex_joni> then run the post
[17:12:22] <BigJohnT_> mozmck: what kind of machine do you have?
[17:12:26] <mozmck> ok.
[17:12:32] <LawrenceG> as I understand it, you need dxf or hpgl parts to import..
[17:12:33] <mozmck> :-) none! yet...
[17:13:06] <mozmck> I do contract work for Tom Caudle with CandCNC...
[17:13:09] <BigJohnT_> alex_joni: did it come with an EMC post?
[17:13:21] <LawrenceG> I was hoping it included a drawing editor
[17:13:29] <alex_joni> BigJohnT_: yes
[17:13:41] <mozmck> He uses sheetcam on Windows and recommends it
[17:13:43] <alex_joni> although the default selected post is Mach, so you need to change that
[17:13:53] <BigJohnT_> mozmck: doesn't Tom use Mach3?
[17:13:54] <alex_joni> LawrenceG: no part editor
[17:14:01] <mozmck> I'm a linux guy so I'm glad to see it on linux
[17:14:27] <BigJohnT_> I'm learning linux thanks to the help around here
[17:14:29] <mozmck> Yep. But he's wanting to start supporting our hardware on linux
[17:14:37] <BigJohnT_> cool
[17:15:15] <BigJohnT_> LawrenceG: you can use Qcad to make your dxf file
[17:16:14] <BigJohnT_> * BigJohnT_ really has to go back to work now see you guys when I get there
[17:16:35] <mozmck> bbl
[17:16:58] <tomp2> i was using Eagle , and wanted a clock driver. is there a modern replacement for a DS0026?
[17:19:10] <SWPadnos> uh - what does it do that a 74LS-style buffer won't?
[17:19:17] <archivist> tomp2 theres an old part number ive not seen in a long while
[17:19:49] <archivist> its a full clock iirc time date etc
[17:20:08] <SWPadnos> no, it's a 2-line clock buffer chip, as in clocking data
[17:20:12] <SWPadnos> http://www.national.com/opf/DS/DS0026.html#General%20Description
[17:20:16] <tomp2> dunno we alway used clock drivers for fets and for distributing oscilators
[17:20:38] <tomp2> yep, got the docs, was wondering what replaced the obsolete part
[17:20:38] <SWPadnos> oh, well it does have very high current output, _/-1.5A
[17:21:07] <SWPadnos> low power CMOS may bave obsoleted it :)
[17:21:33] <SWPadnos> if you're looking to replace a DS0026, I don't know. if you're looking to design a new circuit that would have used one - then I still don't know :)
[17:22:02] <tomp2> well i take that as good advice anyway.
[17:22:05] <tomp2> :)
[17:22:26] <SWPadnos> slightly more [professional than "damfino" :)
[17:22:30] <SWPadnos> -[
[17:22:44] <archivist> or try the LM5111 thats on the page for some of the versions
[17:22:49] <tomp2> driving output of a pic ( a programmable osc ) a few meters inside an edm environment ( damn noisy )
[17:23:29] <tomp2> cant find the LM51111 or a few others, i'm sure people still need to drive stuff.
[17:23:48] <SWPadnos> heh - I'd bet some H-bridge driver could do that for you
[17:23:52] <archivist> look for line driver
[17:24:00] <tomp2> yep, thx
[17:24:10] <SWPadnos> do you control what's on the other end?
[17:24:29] <SWPadnos> ie, can you use differential and recover/shape the clock at the other enc?
[17:24:34] <SWPadnos> end
[17:25:17] <tomp2> pic to opto, just handling distance in noisy environment ( that was the idea )
[17:25:34] <archivist> ew LM5111 has oodles of output current
[17:25:39] <SWPadnos> co-ax cable ...
[17:27:29] <tomp2> yep, using coax 50 ohm, good choice
[17:27:38] <tomp2> bnc cnx
[17:29:03] <archivist> or change to opto fiber cant be any induced noise then
[17:29:28] <tomp2> yes, some do, (wheres those hp opto driven 1488 like thingys? )
[17:29:44] <tomp2> 88/89 pairs , one for each end
[17:56:53] <anonimasu> hey tomp
[17:59:21] <skunkworks> bye tomp
[17:59:26] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:01:07] <jerome_> jerome_ is now known as JbLb
[19:24:02] <JbLb> +e
[19:26:45] <SWPadnos> eeee
[19:28:19] <alex_joni> pc?
[19:30:57] <SWPadnos> -e
[19:36:02] <anonimasu> hello
[19:36:10] <alex_joni> 'lo anders
[19:36:34] <skunkworks> Hi
[19:36:53] <micge1> Hi
[19:41:26] <JbLb> hops not the right place to type !!!
[19:43:26] <anonimasu> :)
[19:43:32] <anonimasu> hehe
[19:49:41] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[20:01:45] <anonimasu> toastydeath: you awake?
[20:27:29] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:28:02] <BigJohnT> night alex
[20:28:15] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: managed to run sheetcam?
[20:29:42] <BigJohnT> no not yet
[20:29:57] <BigJohnT> I'm going to bring my plasma computer downstairs and load it on that one
[20:30:06] <BigJohnT> that is where I need it anyhow
[20:30:14] <BigJohnT> been making chips
[20:30:23] <BigJohnT> did you try it?
[20:30:36] <alex_joni> only saw that it runs
[20:30:42] <BigJohnT> cool
[20:30:43] <alex_joni> and that I can select the emc post ;)
[20:31:07] <BigJohnT> I can't wait to see if that is the EMC post or part of it that I sent him
[20:31:16] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:31:19] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:31:24] <alex_joni> it had stuff from 2004-2005 inside
[20:31:27] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has a emc post somewhere for sheetcam
[20:31:29] <anonimasu> I think
[20:31:44] <alex_joni> and a comment "based on mach post"
[20:31:50] <anonimasu> with preheat and stuff working :)
[20:32:31] <BigJohnT> that ain't the one I sent him cause I deleted that first
[20:32:41] <BigJohnT> :)
[20:33:06] <BigJohnT> the one I did is pretty custom for my plasma machine
[20:33:43] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[20:36:29] <BigJohnT> dang 3 minute cycle times keep you hopping
[20:36:57] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:36:58] <BigJohnT> just long enough to walk away but not long enough to do anything :)
[20:37:04] <anonimasu> yep
[20:37:11] <anonimasu> I ran into the office to irc when the mill were working
[20:37:28] <BigJohnT> my mill is in my office :)
[20:37:44] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:37:52] <anonimasu> I cant get my mill into the office without a crane
[20:37:59] <anonimasu> :p
[20:38:49] <BigJohnT> I have a forklift in my office 2 mills and a lathe and 6 machines we are building :)
[20:38:52] <anonimasu> :)
[20:39:03] <anonimasu> nice
[20:39:10] <anonimasu> I cant fit the machines we are building in my office :p
[20:39:32] <anonimasu> (just kidding)
[20:40:27] <BigJohnT> and a fridge with beer ;)
[20:53:05] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT is heading out see you guys later and Gamma-X get your machine running!
[23:37:24] <tomp2> ah! i'm beginning to get the vismach trickof always translating to ctr THEN halrotating a joint, then moving back where you like.
[23:37:25] <tomp2> cool, the clues are in the scara code.
[23:38:38] <toastydeath> anonimasu: sup
[23:38:42] <toastydeath> oh, he isn't here
[23:39:15] <tomp2> do any commercial machines use curved rails for axis ( goinometer like )?
[23:41:47] <toastydeath> what?
[23:41:51] <toastydeath> curved rails?
[23:45:04] <tomp2> yeh, got to add xtra travel in y or... swing the head on a set of curved rails about the part. i found a couple suppliers of curved rails but wanted to see an application
[23:45:33] <toastydeath> there's a milling machine that has a head on curved rails
[23:45:41] <toastydeath> to switch from horiz. to vert
[23:45:47] <toastydeath> not a live machining axis though.
[23:45:55] <toastydeath> forgot the brand name i think it's a DMG
[23:46:09] <tomp2> thx, i'll look thru thier catalogs
[23:47:04] <tomp2> ... xray machines use 'em to pose the person
[23:48:08] <toastydeath> i don't see any technical difficulties in making them
[23:48:26] <toastydeath> other than the inherent "they are curved" thing, but that just takes elbow grease.
[23:51:16] <tomp2> thx, i'll have to dload thier brochures at home, this link sux
[23:56:40] <gezr> omg I just heard a song, that I heard once before, I think maybe on youtube, and now im obsessed with trying to find it
[23:56:44] <gezr> sigh
[23:57:40] <dmess> DMG didn't have any curved rail stuff but they did have linear motors.. which would have that capacity...
[23:57:42] <gezr> oh well, bike parts comming in tommrow, the ups truck will probably show up at like 7pm or something and just piss me off
[23:58:01] <dmess> what is it Gezr
[23:58:12] <toastydeath> dmess: there was a machine that DMG made
[23:58:20] <toastydeath> with a curved rail to move the head from vert to horiz
[23:58:20] <gezr> the fact that ups is probably going to make the delivery to my house as the last stop for the day
[23:58:26] <toastydeath> it didn't mill, it just moved the head
[23:58:48] <toastydeath> i have a co-worker who used to work on several of them, so i'm taking his word that they exist
[23:59:08] <gezr> the big ones that do that, have a bearing track milled into the casting, and then the bearings ride on that, not a very stiff device, normally the drive is timming belt
[23:59:36] <dmess> i dont recall ANY machines like that in their aresenal when i worked for them in 2001 -2003
[23:59:57] <toastydeath> i don't know any of the details, only that they do, in fact, exist.