can anyone recomend an encoder... like give me a model?
go to usdigital.com
so sez you
just don't trust anything that SWPadnos tells you
did you get the diff file?
I did see it, but haven't thought about it much :)
I like your smile :)
thanks. I brushed my keyboard teeth today
does that mean you don't think much of my programming? :)
heh - no, it's not that I can't think about it - just *didn't* :)
lots of smiles tonight
guys... be nice..:)
we're just a happy group I guess
or stupid. hmmm
what happened to smiley eric_U?
I just made a vismach model of chris's 5-axis maxnc, and I'm thinking of setting my sights on something bigger - do you have any drawings, etc that would let me model a Cinci 5-axis?
[01:41:51] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/pics/max5gui-1.png
got rained out from swimming tonight
i can get cad models..
I just need some basic dimensions and maybe a few photos to work from
I have some drawings.
I only want to model the basics
I have a kind of model in emc. like the 5 axis model Chris did. I have a 5 axis bridge also.
I think it would be neat to have simulations for some of the more complex kins machines
if your to do it .... do it 1 time... correctly
yeah, I started with the 5-axis bridge when making the max model
much easier than starting from scratch
I will post them tomorrow. They will be on www.mpm1.com:8080
I will probably do the G&L pretty soon also.
virtual machine shop
G&L boring mill??
make sure i get the link..
although the sims don't look as neat on the bridge as they do on the 5 axis Chris did.
I thought of that
I'm going to be adding a directory to the configs tree in CVS: emc2/configs/vismach
with a variety of "virtual machines"
it would be nice to have the G&L, Cinci, max5, a bport, etc, in there
jmk: I don't know if I will have a pickup ready to go to Galesburg. I may not be able to bring the laser tracker.
we'll have plenty of things to do
I have configs to run each of the models I built
I wasn't thinking of doing anything with it while we are there. You would take it home to work on it.
if you can bring it, fine - if not, thats fine too
If/when you think you might have time/want to work on it let me know I will ship it to you.
did you ever figure out the W jogging problem?
heh - too many projects to little time
2011 I think ;)
EGGGGGG on my face
no, sorry - stustev
I had connected the output to axis.3 not axis.8
I like simple problems
very much so
a little egg beats pulling out hair for dayas
oh, that's where I left my stupid hat ;)
always useful for debugging, that hat
I always must Keep It Simple - cause i am Stupid
design for morons, what's the worst that can happen? :)
It is not possible to idiot proof anything. A better idiot comes along every day.
yeah. that seems to be one of the only growth industries these days
We have to cut up scrap parts to get them out of our system. A guy today almost cut up the good ones.
In the long run it will be a good thing. We will be able to make the system better. It will be less likely to happen again.
our new 1.5 million dollar FIDIA High speed machining center lew the major p/s for the 3rd time..... time for EMC2
STU we do too
Is the FIDIA a 5 axis post mill/
4 posts and the rails on top of the posts?
yes... serial # 0036.... im scared
no... creeper rail for a Y axis
There is a shop here in Wichita with one. When they got the bugs worked out of it (it took a while) it is a very good, very accurate machine.
hangs over a stand alone table..
cantilevered? not like a gantry or bridge?
moves like a HBM?
there are a few state side... but for me as a toshiba rep... it was make CHIPS ASAP
you know of HBM's
the one in Wichita is like a gantry. With the rails on top of 4 posts and a stationary table underneath. The Z axis ram has a two axis (BC) head.
im doing a tech spec.. gimme your dream machine..
Horizontal Boring Mill?
the biggest WMV mill turn!!!!
what safety regs are you fighting down there??
we have 2 150's
safety regs? on the machine controls?
anything that might move, for any reason, at any time, must be completely dismantled when not in use
and even when in use
dmess: when you say down there - where is it down there from?
do you do work for Bombardier?
all their landing gear...
the WMV would be ideal
do you do work for Hawker ??
have a pic??
pic of what?
I would have to scan it from a brochure. I drool on the brochure once in a while.
I will look for one.
what is the machine again? (full name)
the one you are looking for a pic of!
I don't remember the numbers - WMV mill turn - it is a big lathe with milling and more.
its a wfl mill turn...
the cats ass
i thought he had another machine in mind
volst alpin stigiel
we are doing gear hobbing on ours ...
the f18 nose gear is roughed pre heat treat in 60 hrs...
couldn't find anything
[02:17:13] <dmess> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdSpcqa2Svo&NR=1
heres a baby 1
I will find the brochure tomorrow. I don't have one of these machines.
thats one heck of a toolholder in that vid
stustev: mmmmmm, nc lathe/machining centers [droool]
that's the machine
sweet machine - unlimited capability
everything is XYZ limited =(
we nee 2 bigger ones and 2 more 150's
wouldn't want to get hit by those chips, it's like an avalanche
the first or second job on any new machine is bigger than the machine can handle
hahaha @ toolchanger
thats some star wars shit
Y is limited and NOT symmetrical.... i used to be factory applications eng in canada
thing must have a badass toolcatcher =D
that's because they shipped the defective ones to canada
are those capto holders
they look like capto
no ... HSK 100
they might be CAPTO but they wouldn't be capto
haha those chips are awesome
another REAL machine
[02:28:41] <dmess> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13vwhyaaLiQ&feature=related
omg @ 3:35 in
what's the diameter of the wheel on that toolchanger?
a person walked by it, i think like 5-6'
renesis: the 3:35 - you mean chamfering that hole?
I challenged cradek to do that on max5
like, big things throwing chips is expected
(he did it on a simple vertical hole)
when they start doing the 3d arcs and shit, i trip out
t/c wheel is 1.5 m
i can do it wit APT 360
if you make me a post we can cut it
post for what?
EMC can do all of what we saw on both youtube videos
[02:38:17] <dmess> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic9jr-2eO3s&feature=related
i thought emc had limited look ahead
this has dual 840 d's...
dmess: all of that is really neat
i live it every day... ; ) maybe my life doesn't suck afte allr
[02:49:47] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html
[02:50:03] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY3MnWBx0pI&feature=related
deep hole at 3:42
make that 3:30 - finishes at 3:42
stustev: I think crotchetyGuy is modelling up your cinci 5axis in vismach
hey great - can't wait to see it
[02:56:29] <DanielFalck> http://imagebin.org/19348
I just saw the image
looks good - it looks like a cinci 20V
he says he's working on an apt360 post for you
he does some nice stuff
for the cinci?
I thought he was doing something 5axis, so I assumed so
I don't need pivot length or tool length in the post
stustev, you're in Witchita?
I have a cousin that lives there
do you ever get here?
eric_U: Does you cousin have a long tail and wear a red hat?
no, drove through once
does you cousin work in a machine shop?
no, he's a lawyer for some company there
corporate lawyer - ugh :)
jealous of his toyshed though, it's a 20 bay garage
it would be nice to have some toys like that
don't think even he could afford it around here
eric_U: where are you?
state college PA
if you don't mind - what is your cousin's name?
did his son graduate high school from Sunrise Christian Academy?
I don't know him
sorry i before e
didn't think you would
found him on the internet, he rated his car at edmunds.com http://www.edmunds.com/jaguar/xkr/2004/review.html
there was a Jake Siebels graduate from SCA 4 years ago.
no sons that I know of
that doesn't mean anything - I just found out my grandfather is not my grandfather - his brother is my grandfather
ok, that's strange :)
they didn't speak for the rest of their lives - amazing - I had always wondered why I never met grandpa's brother
they have both been dead for more than 20 years now
secrets always surface
looks like his daughter is graduating from KU
very good Uni. - good for her
good night all
funny what google knows about us
is there a way to get circular interpolation with u & v axis ?
today driving licence test :P
are you very young or very old ? ( otherwise people dont worry ;)
dont worry, you'll be fine
not very young :P
how old are you ?
very old, 60 this year
wow, you are old
I'll be 50 this year
tomp: you are Tom Proctor ?
well i just tried g2u9v0i-9j0 to see what happens, and circular interp is reserved for primary axis
micges: no, and do you mean Fred Proctor ( od early emc fame?)
of early emc fame
yes sorry ;)
np, thx for confusing me with someone who knows something ;)
well, this ol man gotta crash, g'nite
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sheetcam for linux has just been released!
BigJohnT: what happened with Fred Proctor ?
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anyone install the linux version of sheetcam yet?
I'd take that as a no
or everyone is working :)
oh. hadn't thought of that
or they just won't share :D
BigJohnT: tried it?
I tried to install it this morning but didn't quite get it to work :(
I think I answered a question wrong...
seemed like it installed but it did not show up on the menu...
I'm sure it won't show up
what do you think I missed?
I doubt it installs things to the menu.. but you can always run it from a terminal
(my 2 cents worth of guessing..)
it's a menu item thing - you may need to run it from the command line
though the packaging system they use advertises that it handles menus correctly
ok, I can't try it here in my machine shop as we have no linux machines :(
get cygwin and SSH into it (-X or -Y)
what is this person asking? http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59031
they want a terminal that shows emc messages
skunkworks: If you start emc from cli instead of clicking an icon, you cant get diagnostic messages
[13:57:16] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=459466&postcount=6
they'll need to set up an icon to do that automatically. It looks as though you can't easily make a menu item run emc in a terminal
ah - ok. there is/was a tcl/tk message display way back when, I think
I don't know if it was only there for high debug levels or errors or what
but I think I remember seeing such a beast
SWPadnos: even then.. but it's a pita
it could also be a tkemc thing
if the program faults and exists, the terminal goes away too
there should be an option to leave it open after the program exits
I have to leave for another day of school soon, math homework last night was insane, the int of x*sqrt(x-3) from 3 to 4 took about 2 hours to figure out
hmmm. maybe not
there should be a logging feature
almost like the kernel logs, where you can control the level of messages recorded?
it might be called show_errors.tcl, but I'm not sure
SWPadnos: that should pop up by default
if emc2 faults out
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2008-06-04.txt
hm anyone seen tomp?
anonimasu, at 7:12 tomp2 well, this ol man gotta crash, g'nite and its 15 30 ish now
I just installed SheetCam TNG on Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) without a hitch. It put a menu item under Graphics
Is that like Star Trek?
mozmck: I must have messed it up somehow...
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I know this is a linux question but, how do you uninstall a package?
depends on distro see docs for your package manager
aptitude purge package_name
or apt-get remove --purge package_name
archivist: i guess he'll be around later
is there a command to see if it exists like if you don't know the exact spelling of the package
some can list installed packages
dpkg -l | grep soıme_letter
thanks, It doesn't show up as installed and won't reinstall so I'll mess with it later
BigJohnT_: or if you know a file installed by the package, you can run something like dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/appyoudontwant
ok jepler I'll try that
the GUI package managers may have ways of helping you do this as well, but my familiarity with them is nil
I went into the usr/bin folder with the file browser and there are no files that have todays date on them...
the thing you want to remove -- what is it and how did you install it in the first place?
sheetcam for linux, it uses autopackage to install and the instructions on the autopackage site are limited to a good install :(
OK, if you didn't install it with apt, dpkg, or a GUI front-end to one of them, then you can't *uninstall* it that way either.
I'll have to try later I guess
I assume you tried package list / package remove packagename as suggested on http://autopackage.org/using.html
BigJohnT_: hang on, I'm trying to install it too
I did find a bit more info on the autopackage site
jepler: that's what I'm trying now thanks
BigJohT_: generally on Ubuntu or Debian I use synaptic...
mozmck: not an option here
when I installed SheetCam, Autopackage installed a menu item under System Tools called Manage 3rd Party software
mozmck: It did here too but it does nothing
BigJohnT_: you can remove a package with "package remove packagename"
I just finished doing that
BigJohnT_: Manage foo works here
it shows a list with installed stuff (Sheetcam in my case)
let me try that
I used "Sh<tab><tab>"
the executable is named "/usr/bin/SheetCamTNG"
huh. did it not install a menu item?
mozmck: not for SheetCam
It put one under Graphics for me.
ah.. same here
(didn't look in Graphics..)
alex_joni: there is no file in /usr/bin so I think the autopackages is what is hosed
BigJohnT_: it was straightforward here
don't see anything you could do wrong :D
maybe I need to reboot after removing autopackage
some how I did :)
I downloaded http://www.sheetcam.com/autopackage/SheetCam%20TNG%200.0.23.package
changed permissions to make it executable, and ran it!
had to enter my password a time or two...
same here, I got confused a bit when it wanted a password, that part didn't go well
It had an option to install locally instead of system wide.
I think it you just hit enter it may have defaulted to a local install
I must have wizzed by that
which would not have given it permission to install a menu item
a user can modify their own menus
I think the files go in the ~/.desktop or ~/Desktop dir
I've done that SWPadnos
I used the alacart menu editor
I'll have to check that out...
* BigJohnT_ is headed back to the machine shop and will try some more later...
hi guys... any reports on how well sheetcam works so far?
well, the reports are mixed
some people can't even install it ;)
I don't know how to use it yet!
But it runs...
I've used the windows version but it is a beta and still has a few bugs
SWPadnos: are you talking about me!
who, me? would I do that?
mozmck: new part, load dxf
* SWPadnos whistles innocently
click on the metal sheet where you want to nest it
then run the post
mozmck: what kind of machine do you have?
as I understand it, you need dxf or hpgl parts to import..
:-) none! yet...
I do contract work for Tom Caudle with CandCNC...
alex_joni: did it come with an EMC post?
I was hoping it included a drawing editor
He uses sheetcam on Windows and recommends it
although the default selected post is Mach, so you need to change that
mozmck: doesn't Tom use Mach3?
LawrenceG: no part editor
I'm a linux guy so I'm glad to see it on linux
I'm learning linux thanks to the help around here
Yep. But he's wanting to start supporting our hardware on linux
LawrenceG: you can use Qcad to make your dxf file
* BigJohnT_ really has to go back to work now see you guys when I get there
i was using Eagle , and wanted a clock driver. is there a modern replacement for a DS0026?
uh - what does it do that a 74LS-style buffer won't?
tomp2 theres an old part number ive not seen in a long while
its a full clock iirc time date etc
no, it's a 2-line clock buffer chip, as in clocking data
[17:20:12] <SWPadnos> http://www.national.com/opf/DS/DS0026.html#General%20Description
dunno we alway used clock drivers for fets and for distributing oscilators
yep, got the docs, was wondering what replaced the obsolete part
oh, well it does have very high current output, _/-1.5A
low power CMOS may bave obsoleted it :)
if you're looking to replace a DS0026, I don't know. if you're looking to design a new circuit that would have used one - then I still don't know :)
well i take that as good advice anyway.
slightly more [professional than "damfino" :)
or try the LM5111 thats on the page for some of the versions
driving output of a pic ( a programmable osc ) a few meters inside an edm environment ( damn noisy )
cant find the LM51111 or a few others, i'm sure people still need to drive stuff.
heh - I'd bet some H-bridge driver could do that for you
look for line driver
do you control what's on the other end?
ie, can you use differential and recover/shape the clock at the other enc?
pic to opto, just handling distance in noisy environment ( that was the idea )
ew LM5111 has oodles of output current
co-ax cable ...
yep, using coax 50 ohm, good choice
or change to opto fiber cant be any induced noise then
yes, some do, (wheres those hp opto driven 1488 like thingys? )
88/89 pairs , one for each end
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hops not the right place to type !!!
toastydeath: you awake?
good night all
BigJohnT: managed to run sheetcam?
no not yet
I'm going to bring my plasma computer downstairs and load it on that one
that is where I need it anyhow
been making chips
did you try it?
only saw that it runs
and that I can select the emc post ;)
I can't wait to see if that is the EMC post or part of it that I sent him
it had stuff from 2004-2005 inside
* anonimasu has a emc post somewhere for sheetcam
and a comment "based on mach post"
with preheat and stuff working :)
that ain't the one I sent him cause I deleted that first
the one I did is pretty custom for my plasma machine
* anonimasu nods
dang 3 minute cycle times keep you hopping
just long enough to walk away but not long enough to do anything :)
I ran into the office to irc when the mill were working
my mill is in my office :)
I cant get my mill into the office without a crane
I have a forklift in my office 2 mills and a lathe and 6 machines we are building :)
I cant fit the machines we are building in my office :p
and a fridge with beer ;)
* BigJohnT is heading out see you guys later and Gamma-X get your machine running!
ah! i'm beginning to get the vismach trickof always translating to ctr THEN halrotating a joint, then moving back where you like.
cool, the clues are in the scara code.
oh, he isn't here
do any commercial machines use curved rails for axis ( goinometer like )?
yeh, got to add xtra travel in y or... swing the head on a set of curved rails about the part. i found a couple suppliers of curved rails but wanted to see an application
there's a milling machine that has a head on curved rails
to switch from horiz. to vert
not a live machining axis though.
forgot the brand name i think it's a DMG
thx, i'll look thru thier catalogs
... xray machines use 'em to pose the person
i don't see any technical difficulties in making them
other than the inherent "they are curved" thing, but that just takes elbow grease.
thx, i'll have to dload thier brochures at home, this link sux
omg I just heard a song, that I heard once before, I think maybe on youtube, and now im obsessed with trying to find it
DMG didn't have any curved rail stuff but they did have linear motors.. which would have that capacity...
oh well, bike parts comming in tommrow, the ups truck will probably show up at like 7pm or something and just piss me off
what is it Gezr
dmess: there was a machine that DMG made
with a curved rail to move the head from vert to horiz
the fact that ups is probably going to make the delivery to my house as the last stop for the day
it didn't mill, it just moved the head
i have a co-worker who used to work on several of them, so i'm taking his word that they exist
the big ones that do that, have a bearing track milled into the casting, and then the bearings ride on that, not a very stiff device, normally the drive is timming belt
i dont recall ANY machines like that in their aresenal when i worked for them in 2001 -2003
i don't know any of the details, only that they do, in fact, exist.