#emc | Logs for 2008-05-27

[01:05:14] <toastydeath> ffff
[01:05:37] <eric_U> hardly
[01:17:25] <SkullworksTEST> I'm loadin up this sys - doing the latency-test run....
[01:18:02] <SkullworksTEST> Nice little Intel ITX board - hope it pans out well.
[01:28:04] <eric_U> where did you get it?
[01:30:47] <JymmmEMC> what did you get?
[01:30:56] <JymmmEMC> why did you get it?
[01:31:03] <JymmmEMC> how
[01:31:07] <DanielFalck> from who?
[01:31:10] <JymmmEMC> who
[01:31:11] <DanielFalck> when?
[01:34:34] <SkullworksTEST> (Deniro voice) Are you talking to me..?
[01:35:35] <DanielFalck> yep
[01:36:24] <SkullworksTEST> OK -1 sec and I'll fetch a link
[01:37:07] <JymmmEMC> SkullworksTEST: add results here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TestedHardware
[01:37:29] <SkullworksTEST> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BOXD201GLYL&cat=MBB
[01:37:40] <SkullworksTEST> and yes jym - thats the plan
[01:37:52] <JymmmEMC> well, what's taking you so long?
[01:38:05] <JymmmEMC> SkullworksTEST: Are you done yet?
[01:38:33] <SkullworksTEST> yeah - results are marginal to poor
[01:38:49] <DanielFalck> that's too bad
[01:39:22] <SkullworksTEST> max Jitter in servo thread is 90388 - base thread 42222
[01:41:38] <SkullworksTEST> Why Intel chose to use a SiS chipset on there only ITX offering is beyond me.
[01:43:52] <toastydeath> because they are full of hate towards you
[01:44:55] <SkullworksTEST> Toasty just hit a foul, a way out in left field...
[01:45:49] <rayh> Those test numbers are not nearly as bad as my Asus A8V with Athalon 64.
[01:46:04] <rayh> I can get nearly 900000 when I start open office.
[01:46:39] <SkullworksTEST> I figure it might pass for a Pluto sys or with a 5i20
[01:46:51] <DanielFalck> is it the chipset or is it extra applications that interfere?
[01:48:06] <SkullworksTEST> well - I'm not seeing any major regular spikes - but maximizing GLXgears I think is what hit the peak.
[01:48:20] <rayh> 1553245 in fact for the servo thread.
[01:48:40] <DanielFalck> so, if you're not running any opengl applications it is ok?
[01:48:51] <SkullworksTEST> I had that running, plus web surfing (no major FLASH sites though)
[01:50:33] <SkullworksTEST> this is using the Integrated SiS Mirage 1 graphics
[01:50:39] <SkullworksTEST> shared mem
[01:51:48] <SkullworksTEST> has a 1GB DDR2 533 MHz with 128 shared for mem
[01:52:56] <SkullworksTEST> Ray - is that your jitter or interval?
[01:54:23] <SkullworksTEST> Anyway CPU stayed cold during all tests - bridge chip did get warm
[01:55:25] <rayh> jitter
[01:55:27] <SkullworksTEST> did not want to boot from USB2 DVD - ending up attaching as a slave to the hdd - maybe there is a trick I missed
[01:56:21] <rayh> 1663245 now. The interval is 2659725
[01:56:43] <SkullworksTEST> I did max out the vid shared in BIOS - which Stuart S. clams makes a big help on his Pprofile III sys
[01:56:52] <SkullworksTEST> Wow
[01:57:12] <rayh> Did you see the report on the Jetway MiniITX. Pretty good 'eh.
[01:57:38] <SkullworksTEST> my interval peak was 1086886
[01:58:34] <SkullworksTEST> not sure if it matters - but I kept loosig the hal test screen so I put it fullscreen in the second workspace.
[02:00:34] <SkullworksTEST> I like some of the Jetway stuff - but they tend to be real proud of it when it comes to MSRP
[02:01:24] <rayh> The one I've got is $129 at the usual places. I can get them direct for a bit less.
[02:03:14] <SkullworksTEST> I just got (in the same order) a Jetway Socket A to replace my existing EMC2 sim box - the "EliteGroup" main board keeps reseting down to a Duron 700 between uses, and I have an Athlon XP2200+ in there.
[02:04:07] <rayh> Yuck. Does the BIOS permit overriding the cool cpu or whatever they call it.
[02:05:26] <SkullworksTEST> On the Elitegroup - it only monitors the fans - its early socket a - only supports up to 266FSB.
[02:06:04] <rayh> Ah. I watched my cpu slow down before I shut that saver off.
[02:12:19] <eric_U> I wish you could put more memory on the ITX from geeks
[02:13:02] <fenn> this is neat, cutting conic sections with cutter held perpendicular to cone surface, from #cam: http://imagebin.org/18930
[02:13:37] <eric_U> second picture looks like my dog
[02:13:40] <SkullworksTEST> When I ordered they had some matching mem From Micron so I grabbed 1
[02:13:41] <jepler> hah
[02:14:16] <eric_U> I want to hang one off the back of my monitor and take the big computer down to the mill
[02:14:26] <eric_U> can't surf very well with only one gb
[02:14:59] <SkullworksTEST> sure you can - just avoid Flash 8 websites
[02:18:22] <jmkasunich> _finally_ finished: http://jmkasunich.com/pics/new-bench-2109.jpg
[02:18:38] <eric_U> that was nice, I added a hard drive to my cart at newegg, and when I went to check out, they removed it due to lack of stock
[02:19:12] <eric_U> John, nice
[02:19:18] <jmkasunich> NO, you can't have it!
[02:19:24] <eric_U> only thing missing is the desoldering station
[02:19:25] <jmkasunich> (newegg)
[02:19:31] <jtr> jmkasunich: ooh, very nice.
[02:19:32] <jmkasunich> I never make mistakes ;-)
[02:19:46] <eric_U> o'rly?
[02:19:54] <jmkasunich> more like - I've never found one of those in the dumpster
[02:20:02] <jmkasunich> the soldering irons were both rejects
[02:20:06] <eric_U> what's that thing on the right hand side
[02:20:18] <jmkasunich> scope and surface plate are from HGR surplus
[02:20:30] <eric_U> yeah, I coulda gotten a soldering iron reject, but I contributed it to another lab
[02:20:47] <fenn> i thought the surface plate was another of those industrial monitors
[02:20:48] <eric_U> the safety guy wanted our irons to have timeouts
[02:21:09] <eric_U> so that's a cover on the surface plate?
[02:21:22] <jmkasunich> yeah, just some masonite and quarter-round molding
[02:21:43] <fenn> do those bins up top tilt forward?
[02:21:44] <eric_U> the shelves have a '70s Soviet architecture thing going
[02:22:18] <jmkasunich> they took way to long to build
[02:22:33] <jmkasunich> the bins don't tip down, but they remove very easily
[02:22:34] <eric_U> and an actual paper McMaster catalog, aren't you special?
[02:22:41] <jmkasunich> several years old
[02:23:23] <rayh> Wow. jmkasunich you're making my basement look bad.
[02:23:33] <eric_U> mine too
[02:23:44] <jmkasunich> you haven't seen the other side - my existing bench is piled 6" deep with crap
[02:23:53] <eric_U> I was going to enter one of those messiest workbench competitions
[02:24:02] <eric_U> but I didn't think they would believe me
[02:24:18] <jmkasunich> the bench I'm sitting at now: http://jmkasunich.com/pics/cat_on_bench.jpg
[02:24:22] <eric_U> plus the prize was another workbench, I'd have to clean the old one off
[02:24:28] <jmkasunich> sadly without cat, that pic is a few years old
[02:24:51] <eric_U> yes, that's a little more like it
[02:25:22] <jmkasunich> I'm gonna try to keep the new on from getting trashed, but...
[02:25:47] <jmkasunich> I have another blue bench in the garage (they were $35 each at HGR), need to make a spot for it
[02:25:52] <jmkasunich> but i need a break first
[02:36:33] <renesis> ha nice mass kick
[02:37:18] <jmkasunich> dont' mess with rayh!
[02:37:24] <jmkasunich> (actually wasn't him)
[02:37:54] <eric_U> who was it? Art?
[02:38:10] <jmkasunich> some griefer
[02:38:25] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: Um how many calcultors do you use at the same time?
[02:38:35] <jmkasunich> 1, why?
[02:38:57] <eric_U> I have a really nice one I never use
[02:38:57] <JymmmEMC> I see at least two on your bench, thought it might have been one per hand =)
[02:39:08] <jmkasunich> no calculators there
[02:39:13] <jmkasunich> two soldering irons
[02:39:19] <JymmmEMC> other pic cat on bench
[02:39:28] <jmkasunich> oh
[02:39:43] <JymmmEMC> the plant is a nice touch fake?
[02:39:48] <jmkasunich> no, real
[02:39:49] <JymmmEMC> ^,
[02:39:52] <jmkasunich> the window faces south
[02:40:27] <jmkasunich> the neighbor's house shades it, but the plant is supposed to be ok in partial shade (ivy)
[02:40:29] <jmkasunich> time will tell
[02:40:39] <JymmmEMC> so will watering it =)
[02:41:15] <JymmmEMC> bench looks nice
[02:41:20] <jmkasunich> I have two other plants, and I have the computer remind me to water them once a week - otherwise I'd probably forget till they dried up into dust
[02:41:30] <JymmmEMC> ok, there ya go.
[02:41:52] <JymmmEMC> looks liek you'll have to raise you bin drawers to make room for books
[02:42:06] <JymmmEMC> alreayd see mcMaster found a spot
[02:42:30] <jmkasunich> I've thought about making a small two level x 8" wide bookshelf on that side of the window
[02:43:06] <JymmmEMC> I guess the waterheater could keep them dry (or damp) depending on yhow you look at it
[02:43:26] <jmkasunich> basement really isn't the best place for books
[02:43:51] <jmkasunich> I did have quite a few down here, moved most of them to the living room bookshelves
[02:43:52] <JymmmEMC> but convienant
[02:44:25] <SkullworksTEST> 3hrs - no change for the max values - test results posted on the wiki.
[02:45:01] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: you should frame that pick.... cuas you'll never see the top of thaat bench ever agian =)
[02:45:07] <JymmmEMC> s/pick/pic/
[02:45:15] <jmkasunich> I know ;-(
[02:45:37] <JymmmEMC> hang the framed pic next to the bench to remind you of what it looked like.
[02:45:58] <jmkasunich> not a bad idea - motivate me to try to keep it clean
[02:46:12] <JymmmEMC> good joke for anyone that comes to visit too
[02:46:51] <JymmmEMC> do the shelves have a solid back?
[02:47:01] <JymmmEMC> just wondering how they're being hung
[02:47:15] <JymmmEMC> french cleat?
[02:47:23] <jmkasunich> yeah, 1x lumber for the backs, 3/16" masonite for the shelves
[02:47:46] <jmkasunich> nothing so fancy - cleats underneath, and 2.5" screws thru the backs into the studs near the top
[02:48:53] <JymmmEMC> that works. I think I read yo can hold like 500lbs using a french cleat. though I'd still have screws cuz I be in earthquake country
[02:49:06] <jmkasunich> deck screws rule ;-)
[02:49:28] <jmkasunich> I used those blue Tapcon screws to fasten the studs to the wall
[02:49:32] <JymmmEMC> coffee can full of drywall screws
[02:50:04] <JymmmEMC> did you have to predrill the concrete blocks?
[02:50:16] <jmkasunich> yeah
[02:50:37] <JymmmEMC> setgun and a box of .22 shells =)
[02:50:38] <jmkasunich> http://www.tapcon.com/
[02:51:48] <crotchetyGuy> jmkasunich: I have some vismach questions- I have a 5 axis vertical that I created based on the example in the src, and it seems to work ok. However, if I run two identical programs except one doesn't have the A and B values, you can see a difference in the movement of the table in X. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[02:52:59] <jmkasunich> afraid not - I haven't done anything with vismach in ages, and never did anything with the 5 axis stuff
[02:53:08] <jmkasunich> I did the puma and scara models only
[02:54:10] <crotchetyGuy> I will keep looking then...
[02:56:00] <tomp2> K`zan: this looks like yours but with a few nice ideas added ( runs EMC2) http://www.astromonkey.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Science;action=display;num=1199310987;start=10
[03:11:22] <SkullworksTEST> Where is a good place to explain the diff between PWM and PDM?
[03:12:07] <SkullworksTEST> PWM I grok, but what is PDM?
[03:13:27] <jmkasunich> pulse density modulation
[03:14:27] <SkullworksTEST> kinda like FM?
[03:15:28] <SkullworksTEST> I'll dig further.
[03:17:23] <SkullworksTEST> I reset the latentcy test - and it seems if I don't try to drag GLXgears all over the screen then the jitter stays in the xxxx range.
[03:17:36] <JymmmEMC> onboard video?
[03:18:16] <SkullworksTEST> SiS Mirage 1 - 128Mb shared.
[03:19:31] <fenn> pwm has constant time between the start of each pulse
[03:20:32] <SkullworksTEST> ah - thats why its scale is rather limited.
[03:22:04] <fenn> now that i'm reading the wikipedia article on pdm it doesnt match up with what i thought i understood.. damn
[03:27:30] <SWPadnos> it's kind of like the error line (bresenham) algorithm
[03:27:55] <SWPadnos> you accumulate error, and when it goes over your threshold, you output a (fixed-length) pulse
[03:28:26] <SWPadnos> if the signal is very high, you'll get more or less full scale DC, and if the signal is very low you'll get 0
[04:09:17] <toastydeath> shoop
[04:42:55] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Sounds liek goin postal to me
[06:29:05] <fenn> open source avr stepper driver http://www.avrstmd.com/
[06:30:12] <fenn> pdf file :\
[06:44:38] <micges> good morning all
[06:45:33] <The_Ball> fenn, just joined so don't know who that was for, but very handy thanks
[06:46:44] <fenn> its ok i guess.. just new
[06:46:59] <fenn> $13 for the driver chips seems kinda silly
[06:59:25] <The_Ball> the all up cost is reasonable though
[07:13:46] <fenn> i wonder why he didnt use L298
[07:23:46] <alex_joni> fenn: and do microstepping with L298 ?
[07:23:59] <fenn> sure why not
[07:25:08] <fenn> instead of LMD18245T which appears to be about the same but cost 3x
[07:25:37] <fenn> and 50% of the project budget
[07:27:55] <fenn> oh, i'm starting to remember that the avr's adc isnt fast enough to do current sensing
[07:28:19] <fenn> it almost is though, so maybe it could be made to work
[07:36:16] <Sweeper> fenn: eh, just grab a dedicated adc chip
[07:36:19] <Sweeper> they're pretty cheap
[07:41:13] <fenn> yep but possibly more complicated when you look at the whole picture (software vs hardware)
[07:54:42] <Sweeper> meh
[07:54:52] <Sweeper> serial comms don't scare me \o
[07:55:12] <Sweeper> besides, software problems only need to be sorted once ;)
[07:55:26] <Sweeper> you pay for chips again and again and again...
[07:57:35] <alex_joni> well.. the user does
[08:29:39] <_Poincare> _Poincare is now known as Poincare
[08:31:36] <fenn> Sweeper: that's what i meant.. you have to pay for the adc again and again, but if you can do it in the avr you only have to figure it out once
[08:32:02] <fenn> also the added complexity of sourcing and storing another IC
[09:24:28] <Sweeper> oh, I thought you meant as opposed to the $12 driver chip :)
[09:24:38] <Sweeper> adc's are like, $2
[11:17:26] <archivist> hmm what was that!!!!
[11:35:36] <pjm> ello
[11:37:25] <archivist> ello
[11:40:52] <fenn> grommit
[11:43:18] <archivist> plunger
[11:44:12] <BigJohnT> buglump
[11:45:01] <archivist> I come back from a few days away and find myself kicked!!!
[11:45:20] <archivist> someone owes us all a beer
[11:45:42] <pjm> ah yes i saw that mail too ;-)
[11:55:19] <archivist> time to burger off to the cheap stepper shop
[11:56:19] <pjm> ah is there one! I'm looking for a similar shop down here
[11:56:40] <archivist> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors
[11:56:49] <BigJohnT> automationdirect has them for $20
[11:59:35] <archivist> 220Ncm - 10mm Shaft - Hybrid Stepper Motor for £23 about the cheapest in the uk as far as I know and only a few miles up the road
[12:00:01] <pjm> yeah that is a nice motor
[12:00:07] <fenn> Ncm what kind of bastard unit is that
[12:00:35] <archivist> a modern one
[12:00:36] <pjm> archivist so its lists the rated voltage as 7.5V so would u run it at that?
[12:00:43] <archivist> no 30v
[12:02:10] <alex_joni> you run them at usually 20-30 times the voltage
[12:02:12] <pjm> ok great, i still need to work out why u can drive it with a lot higher voltage than the rating, presumably its down to the duty cycle
[12:02:22] <alex_joni> but need a chopper driver with current limiting
[12:02:58] <fenn> pjm: for some odd reason they're rated at DC voltage which won't cause too much current
[12:03:42] <pjm> my drivers are IMS ones IM483-PLG so i think they have all the bells and whistles
[12:03:49] <archivist> with a chopper drive at high voltage the motor will be faster
[12:04:43] <fenn> BigJohnT: the automationdirect ones are only 58 "Ncm"
[12:04:50] <alex_joni> fenn: it does eventually
[12:05:17] <alex_joni> it just takes a lot of time for current to reach max. value
[12:05:47] <fenn> alex_joni: you cant just pump 7.5V through it all day long?
[12:05:55] <archivist> you can
[12:06:00] <archivist> just slow
[12:07:18] <alex_joni> fenn: you need to pump 7.5V through each winding
[12:07:26] <alex_joni> and wait 1sec for each of it :)
[12:07:33] <alex_joni> which gives you a very fast stepping rate
[12:08:42] <fenn> alex_joni: but it's rated at 7.5V, not what the actual insulation is rated for
[12:09:17] <pjm> archivist actually that is a bloody good price on those steppers
[12:10:00] <archivist> seems to be yes
[12:10:41] <archivist> I just dropped into work to get the address as Im on holiday
[12:11:02] <pjm> ah yes me too its skool hols down here so i'm off entertaining the brats
[12:12:10] <archivist> Im old free and single and dont know the concept of brats
[12:13:40] <pjm> hehhhh, ok great on the stepper, i've ordered one of the 220Ncm's to drive my Z axis
[12:14:34] <archivist> its for Z here as well
[12:15:51] <pjm> excellent... actually i've been to the local scrap yard this morning and found a nice length of 100mm steel box section
[12:16:14] <pjm> which i'm gonna sit my XY table on and this will then be bolted to the Z upright
[12:19:14] <pjm> i've put some more of my build fotos on my server http://pjm.dyndns.org/cnc/
[12:32:09] <als> I'm trying to run ./bootstrap and I keep getting AM_RUN_LOG not found in library What does this mean sorry for the off topic
[12:33:47] <als> aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_RUN_LOG' not found in library
[13:05:09] <alex_joni> als: running ./bootstrap on what?
[13:06:29] <als> codeblocks
[13:07:00] <alex_joni> I have no idea what you're talking about
[13:07:25] <als> IDE for c++ with wxGTK
[13:07:51] <alex_joni> sorry, no idea
[13:08:24] <als> I cant seem to find anything anywhere
[14:57:27] <acemi> rtai-3.6.1 released
[15:04:39] <jepler> acemi: yep, alex and I will be working on new packages for ubuntu 8.04 "sometime soon"
[15:05:40] <acemi> there is a new patch for kernel 2.6.24
[15:09:18] <skunkworks_> any cool stuff in 3.6.1?
[15:10:11] <acemi> 3.6 has patches 2.6.23 and before
[15:10:29] <acemi> and I think 1 GM memory limit is solved
[15:10:47] <skunkworks_> heard that before.. ;)
[15:17:46] <hasta2003> alex_joni: finally It works!!! thank you for your help.
[16:01:25] <alex_joni> hasta2003: great
[16:05:53] <hasta2003> alex_joni: hi, I'm going to finish my RTAIbuntu 7.10.. and then I'll try to make a RTAIbuntu 8.04. Thanks a lot :-) a dish of "maccheroni" is waiting for you in Italy.
[16:06:20] <alex_joni> eh, sounds good :)
[16:09:31] <acemi> has RTAI any problem with Suspend to RAM and with Hibernation in kernel config?
[16:10:26] <jepler> acemi: I have never tried to use that setting
[16:15:07] <acemi> it seems that the hibernation is OK
[16:15:09] <alex_joni> acemi: afaik to use those you need ACPI
[16:15:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni runs home
[16:15:18] <alex_joni> bbl
[16:18:10] <jepler> has anyone registered for the CNC workshop? the page http://www.cnc-workshop.com/costs.htm kinda implies that I just paypal the hundred bucks to that e-mail address..
[16:18:40] <skunkworks_> I think that is what I did last year..
[16:18:49] <jepler> I can't remember that far back :-P
[16:18:52] <skunkworks_> heh
[16:20:07] <SWPadnos> yes, that's what I did, and I got an email from Roland a day or so later
[16:20:43] <jepler> OK
[16:20:50] <jepler> I guess I've put it off long enough
[16:21:00] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:21:17] <SWPadnos> jepler, question about the eeepc - how long does it last on a set of batteries?
[16:21:20] <SWPadnos> err - on a charge
[16:22:09] <jepler> SWPadnos: I'd say under 3 hours, but that's with wireless and the display brightness turned all the way up.
[16:28:15] <jepler> SWPadnos: there are also several different battery packs. I think mine has the smallest -- "4 cell 4400mAh 2.8 hours" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220260
[16:30:38] <jepler> there's also a 4 cell 5200mAh and 5800mAh
[16:30:58] <jepler> (the latter is what they put on the 9" model, I guess)
[16:32:01] <jepler> and a 6-cell 7800mAh "coming soon" http://eeepc.asus.com/global/battery.htm
[16:33:49] <skunkworks_> jepler: how much did you use the the eeepc? what did you use it for? How did you get a long with the smallish screen?
[16:34:51] <jepler> I use it when I travel -- it makes a fine machine for checking e-mail and reading some news in the hotel room.
[16:35:07] <SWPadnos> that's what I want it for
[16:35:11] <skunkworks_> ah - cool
[16:35:20] <SWPadnos> lightweight "on the go" computer
[16:35:35] <jepler> at home I keep it by my TV and load video game walkthroughs on it
[16:36:12] <jepler> it's no good for programming and a lot of web pages are pretty hard to use on it due to the low resolution (the new 900 models will be better in this respect)
[16:37:19] <jepler> actually -- I have used it for some microcontroller programming. the arduino development environment runs OK on it, if you can get the avr-gcc to install from the debian package repository
[16:37:27] <jepler> I haven't replaced the OS, it's still running xandros
[16:38:10] <SWPadnos> ok - I think I'd go for the 900 anyway - it's the same weight (or close), and the larger screen has got to be better
[16:38:27] <jepler> yeah though the price is higher
[16:38:50] <SWPadnos> yep
[16:42:03] <jepler> if you install something else on it I'd love to hear how that goes
[16:42:19] <SWPadnos> I'll let you know if I do that
[16:42:49] <SWPadnos> it seems like it may be a lot of hassle though, since there's only USB for optical device support
[16:43:00] <jepler> I know there are lots of instructions to be had
[16:43:25] <SWPadnos> have you had any troubles with the wireless manager?
[16:43:53] <jepler> yeah it can be flaky. sometimes it doesn't show networks until I click the enable wireless checkbox on that screen off and back on..
[16:44:22] <SWPadnos> do you think it's the software, or some driver related thing?
[16:44:45] <jepler> I think that it's not the wireless manager gui -- "iwlist scanning" will also not show access points when it's in this state.
[16:44:56] <jepler> or whatever the shell command is that gets access points from the kernel
[16:45:14] <jepler> but that doesn't say whether it's a problem in the firmware vs in the driver
[16:45:15] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:45:39] <SWPadnos> ok, but not the higher level management apps, which are the most likely to change a lot with a different OS install
[16:46:32] <jepler> did you ask about this because you read of others having trouble?
[16:46:38] <SWPadnos> yes
[16:46:49] <SWPadnos> maybe in the customer reviews on newegg or something
[16:48:14] <skunkworks_> I have acutally had wierd issues with hardy like that. Seems the first few times you setup the network connection.. it takes a few reboots for the settings to actually take and work. (the setting are there but you have to deactivate/activate the network adaptor to get access)
[16:50:05] <SWPadnos> had you used Feisty or Dapper on that hardware before (with different results)?
[16:50:46] <jepler> when I can I get the intel wireless chipsets, those typically have good support..
[16:50:48] <SWPadnos> I have Feisty on my laptop, and I've only had one problem with wireless - it seems that the interface gets shut down sometimes when I'm on battery power (after an hour or so maybe), and then I can't log back in
[16:50:50] <jepler> but no such option on the eee
[16:51:00] <SWPadnos> but that's a shared problem with the providers not clearing the old connection
[17:34:09] <skunkworks_> I have not tried this hardware on dapper. But I don't remember dapper having these issues. I have the same issue with wired network cards also.. Takes a few boots for it to consistantly work on bootup. (I have not really documented it though)
[18:21:55] <pjm> evening, just building my 3-axis PSU for the mill: http://pjm.dyndns.org/cnc/psu.jpg
[18:23:28] <cradek> cool. what current?
[18:23:46] <pjm> well the xfmr is good for 15A at 45V
[18:24:03] <pjm> which is about 2 times what I actually need
[18:24:24] <cradek> sounds good. that's a big cap.
[18:24:55] <pjm> yeah its a mother, 17000uF
[18:26:01] <cradek> time constant of the bleeder is 17 seconds
[18:26:03] <pjm> i've used a ssr to switch the DC to the stepper drivers controlled from the amplifier output of EMC
[18:26:37] <pjm> yeah the R is only there to discharge the cap after power down
[18:26:41] <cradek> right
[18:26:48] <pjm> in case a spanner falls across the terminals
[18:26:51] <cradek> burning 4W all the rest of the time...
[18:27:06] <cradek> better wait 30-45 seconds before throwing spanners around
[18:27:10] <pjm> ah yes it helps keep the electronics warm!
[18:27:57] <pjm> but also i put in a 24V DC psu just in case i need it in the future for other stuff
[18:28:22] <pjm> and there is a switcher for +-12 and 5v for the logic and relays etc
[18:29:07] <pjm> so far the psu has been totally made from crap salvaged from the local scrap yard
[18:29:50] <cradek> that's nice
[18:34:24] <Guest779> hi to alll
[18:34:37] <jepler> hi Guest779
[18:35:49] <Guest779> i am a emc2 user and i have a question, can i speak ?
[18:36:26] <gefink> Guest779 speak .-)
[18:36:41] <Guest779> sorry for my bad english.............
[18:37:26] <Guest779> i am italian and my english is only school english
[18:37:31] <Guest779> sigh
[18:37:42] <gefink> ok
[18:37:53] <Guest779> thank's
[18:38:10] <SWPadnos> better than my Italian though, so go ahead :)
[18:38:27] <Guest779> kindly, correct me if you want
[18:39:23] <Guest779> so, my system is: three axis, m5i20+7i33+2x 7i37 closed loop
[18:39:50] <alex_joni> DC motors + encoders?
[18:40:09] <Guest779> yaskawa brush + encoders
[18:40:37] <Guest779> is a big machine about 1000 kg
[18:41:52] <alex_joni> Guest779: ok so far.. we're waiting for the question :)
[18:41:56] <Guest779> i use tkemc interface and i'd turn off the "R" key to start program
[18:42:21] <Guest779> excuse i use axis interface
[18:42:40] <Guest779> is it possible ?
[18:43:14] <gefink> to disable R key?
[18:43:20] <Guest779> yes
[18:43:31] <alex_joni> Guest779: it's possible
[18:44:00] <alex_joni> use "sudo gedit /usr/share/emc/tcl/tkemc.tcl"
[18:44:08] <alex_joni> then look for a line:
[18:44:35] <alex_joni> bind AutoBindings <KeyPress-r> {emc_run $runMark ; set runMark 0}
[18:44:43] <alex_joni> and put a '#' in front of it
[18:45:05] <Guest779> only this ?
[18:45:12] <alex_joni> yup
[18:45:28] <alex_joni> (you prefer a more complicated solution?)
[18:45:36] <awallin> that was for tkemc... did you say you used AXIS ?
[18:45:46] <Guest779> ok
[18:45:56] <alex_joni> 21:34 < Guest779> i use tkemc interface
[18:46:11] <awallin> (21:42:21) Guest779: excuse i use axis interface
[18:46:21] <alex_joni> oh.. sorry.. didn't see that
[18:46:31] <alex_joni> Guest779: it's different for AXIS
[18:46:35] <Guest779> any moment
[18:46:41] <alex_joni> basicly you make a file ~/.axisrc
[18:47:19] <Guest779> i use tkemc but..
[18:47:45] <Guest779> i don't homing sequence routine
[18:48:08] <alex_joni> well.. that is correct.. tkemc doesn't know how to do homing sequence..
[18:48:09] <Guest779> first z then y and then x
[18:48:13] <alex_joni> but you can still home them one by one
[18:48:23] <alex_joni> select Z, push home
[18:48:27] <alex_joni> select Y, push home
[18:48:31] <alex_joni> select X, push home
[18:49:06] <Guest779> is not possible in tkemc the sequence ?
[18:49:16] <rayh> Does Guest779 need a homing sequence. I'd think this kind of machine would have a home pin for each axis.
[18:49:58] <alex_joni> rayh: he wants it to happen automatically.. in order not to push home 3 times
[18:50:01] <hasta2003> jepler: hi. How can I create a package for Rtai modules on ubuntu gutsy 7.10 like the one you have created for emc2 on hardy? I intend "from the scratch".
[18:50:13] <alex_joni> hasta2003: #emc-de ?
[18:50:19] <Guest779> yes my machine have three 0 proximity and three index motor
[18:50:23] <alex_joni> Guest779: if you want to disable 'r' for AXIS use this:
[18:50:37] <alex_joni> create a file called ".axisrc" in your home directory
[18:50:40] <alex_joni> and add this line:
[18:50:53] <alex_joni> widget.bind("r","")
[18:51:41] <hasta2003> alex_joni: you have said that jepler made rtai modules. have I to talk with him?
[18:51:53] <awallin> alex_joni: have you been learning the ways of the python lately ? ;)
[18:52:06] <rayh> Should be easy enough to do. There is that ability in mini. We'd just have to copy over and make a button.
[18:52:10] <alex_joni> Guest779: for the home-all button, you need to file a feature request at sourceforge.net/projects/emc
[18:52:20] <alex_joni> hasta2003: no, you can talk to me
[18:52:28] <alex_joni> awallin: not as much as I would like to
[18:52:48] <SWPadnos> hasta2003, this may help: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BuildingUbuntuPackages
[18:53:04] <SWPadnos> you'll have to change some names, of course
[18:55:55] <Guest779> another question....
[18:56:04] <alex_joni> Guest779: ask away
[18:56:38] <Guest779> the display coord of axis is too small, how can i enlarge ?
[18:57:40] <alex_joni> I think that is described in the manual
[18:58:02] <alex_joni> hmm.. no it's not
[18:58:18] <Guest779> no
[18:58:30] <Guest779> i don't found them
[18:59:23] <alex_joni> Guest779: sorry.. I don't know
[19:00:10] <Guest779> never mind i'll try another way
[19:00:30] <alex_joni> I see a thing called coordinat_font
[19:00:49] <Guest779> where ?
[19:01:10] <jepler> put the following setting in your X resource file: *Togl.font: -*-courier-bold-r-*-*-25-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
[19:01:19] <jepler> you can find an appropriate font string using the program xfontsel
[19:01:44] <jepler> unfortunately I'm not sure how to make X resource settings that are applied every time you log in when using the gnome desktop
[19:02:35] <Guest779> ok thank's to all
[19:02:43] <alex_joni> jepler: can't he update coordinate_font from .axisrc ?
[19:03:42] <jepler> alex_joni: I'm not sure. except for the fact that I don't know how to automatically make X resource settings under gnome, this is the right way to customize fonts and colors.
[19:08:53] <Guest779> i live in florence, here there are 9.00pm and the weather is hot ( 37°C)
[19:09:16] <alex_joni> we had 33 at 9pm (1 hour ago)
[19:09:33] <jepler> if nothing else, you can put these settings in a file ~/.Xresources, then add a startup program 'xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources' using the gnome session manager..
[19:09:47] <rayh> We had frost and snow in the air this morning.
[19:09:58] <alex_joni> that's quite a difference rayh
[19:11:38] <SWPadnos> I had a sister who lived in Firenze for a while (about 5 years)
[19:12:02] <gefink> here inside its unintimate 28
[19:12:38] <jepler> ah you people in europe must be freezing. here the temperature gets way up to 80 and nobody thinks anything of it :-P
[19:12:45] <alex_joni> haha
[19:17:24] <archivist> hrmph 62F in here at work
[19:17:45] <archivist> UK is standard cold as usual
[19:18:10] <gefink> wait some days
[19:19:08] <archivist> we have had our 2 warm days for the month
[19:19:30] <Guest779> but you use only inches, °F ecc why don't you use metric system ?
[19:19:53] <Guest779> is very simple
[19:20:03] <archivist> I used F for the yanks in here
[19:22:11] <Guest779> another question......
[19:22:46] <alex_joni> Guest779: simply ask the question you have.. don't ask if you are allowed to ask
[19:22:55] <Guest779> can i use m5i20 and parallel port i/o at same time ?
[19:23:04] <alex_joni> yes
[19:23:30] <Guest779> may i include parport ?
[19:24:06] <alex_joni> Guest779: sure.. just have to add it to the HAL files
[19:24:16] <alex_joni> loadrt hal_parport ..
[19:24:28] <Guest779> ok stupid question...
[19:24:31] <alex_joni> addf parport.0.read , write to a thread
[19:24:34] <alex_joni> etc
[19:24:49] <alex_joni> you probably don't have a fast BASE_THREAD on that config (m5i20)
[19:25:07] <alex_joni> but if you look at the stepper/ configs I'm sure you'll figure it out
[19:26:48] <Guest779> ok thank's and see you later
[19:26:59] <alex_joni> Guest779: ci vediamo
[19:27:05] <Guest779> great
[19:27:19] <Guest779> ciao ciao
[19:27:21] <gefink> there is a manpage for parport
[19:27:25] <gefink> ciao
[19:33:53] <micges> hello everyone
[19:34:28] <alex_joni> hi micges
[19:34:38] <micges> I ran emc on ubuntu 8.4 and I had silly problem
[19:34:51] <alex_joni> ?
[19:35:01] <micges> courier font size 36 is double size as in 6.06
[19:35:57] <micges> my modified axis is based on courier
[19:36:13] <alex_joni> micges: not much we can do about that ;)
[19:36:30] <micges> can't find tool to font management in 8.4
[19:36:43] <cradek> maybe your dpi is set/detected wrong
[19:36:47] <gefink> compared you xdpyinfo?
[19:36:57] <alex_joni> xfontsel ?
[19:37:29] <alex_joni> dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (261x163 millimeters)
[19:37:29] <alex_joni> resolution: 125x125 dots per inch
[19:37:42] <alex_joni> that's what xdpyinfo tells me on this laptop
[19:38:05] <micges> thank for that 3 infos very much :)
[19:38:52] <micges> this issue showed up after managing with NVIDIA drivers
[19:39:20] <micges> anyway thanks
[19:39:35] <alex_joni> nvidia drivers are bad
[19:39:55] <alex_joni> they usually cause RT issues
[19:40:45] <micges> oh
[19:41:30] <alex_joni> if you get "Unexpected realtime delay" .. you'll know why ;)
[19:41:33] <gefink> no problems with latency-test ?
[19:41:39] <micges> specially bought graphic card for smooth preview in axis 100.000 lines of code :P
[19:42:11] <alex_joni> micges: you might be lucky and it "works"
[19:42:38] <micges> gefink: I pay attention for latency tomorrow
[19:43:15] <micges> I don't like 8.04 yet
[19:43:40] <micges> huge amount of warnings and issues while booting and closing
[19:43:45] <alex_joni> anything specific?
[19:44:26] <micges> problems with NFS, SAMBA
[19:45:03] <alex_joni> you can always keep using 6.06 ;)
[19:45:18] <micges> not really important but on 6.06 it's just works :)
[19:45:45] <K`zan> still running 6.06 here too. Neither release likes my wireless dongle :-/.
[19:46:04] <K`zan> Although 7.10 on my desktop does, go figgure...
[19:46:20] <K`zan> NEVER a dull moment :)
[19:46:30] <micges> 6.06 is the best what I meet in my life
[19:46:45] <micges> by the only linux now :)
[19:46:52] <micges> from then*
[19:51:14] <micges> alex_joni: how far is it possible to change emc settings (like scale, move range, max velocity) in runtime ?
[19:51:35] <cradek> not possible
[19:51:45] <alex_joni> weeell
[19:51:55] <alex_joni> it might be possible, if you can trigger the right NML commands
[19:52:07] <alex_joni> but I wouldn't trust it :D
[19:52:20] <alex_joni> (without adding software it's not possible)
[19:53:02] <micges> the same NML commands that are sended while processing ini file ?\
[19:53:15] <alex_joni> yes
[19:56:09] <micges> theorically after changing parameters while machine is stopped, next jog command will use new values, no syncing or anything required ?
[19:57:05] <alex_joni> you're in uncharted teritory :)
[19:58:09] <alex_joni> I would maybe throw in an abort, that sync's a lot of things..
[19:58:23] <micges> It's importand becouse I will have everything possible configurable (like commercial cncs) without restarting
[19:59:13] <alex_joni> well.. in our impression, once a machine was tuned by the integrator (you) and gets sent to the user (your customer) he wouldn't have to change anything
[19:59:20] <micges> yes, I saw source
[19:59:43] <alex_joni> but if you change these things, I think we will certainly think about including it :)
[20:00:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[20:00:33] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:00:42] <micges> good night
[20:01:01] <gefink> by
[20:03:02] <K`zan> Still trying to figure out how to stiffen the stepper mounts on this silly thing...
[20:06:21] <rayh> got a picture of them?
[20:08:33] <K`zan> Yeah, but the problem is obvious once you put an indicator on them. URL:
[20:09:00] <K`zan> http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyMachineShop/PipeDreamMill/
[20:14:34] <archivist> I can see many ways for that to flex
[20:14:50] <K`zan> Sigh, yeah
[20:15:16] <K`zan> It is, fortunately, an educational (and affordable) project...
[20:15:17] <archivist> for very light work it may be ok but...
[20:15:33] <K`zan> Yes, engraving and PCB is the most I hope out of it.
[20:16:00] <K`zan> Having to build with hand tools is part of the problem.
[20:16:09] <K`zan> But one gotta start somewhere :).
[20:16:30] <archivist> well start by adding webs to stiffen
[20:17:22] <K`zan> Good idea, beats hell out of drilling holes and filing to get something in metal.
[20:17:58] <archivist> eg triangle webs to stop Z motor fom bending forward
[20:18:00] <K`zan> That gets old REAL quick.
[20:18:10] <K`zan> actually it flexes both ways.
[20:18:19] <rayh> Webs should help on the ones attached to flat places.
[20:18:33] <rayh> The one connected directly to the pipe is another issue.
[20:18:51] <K`zan> The 1/8" extension on the Y *really* helped.
[20:19:16] <K`zan> Not sure I have pix of that. Been doing a lot more thinking lately than actually doing anything.
[20:19:40] <archivist> having a flimsy construction like that will really teach you about bending and failure modes
[20:20:06] <K`zan> archivist: Yes, it really brings home the reasons for rigidity, BIG TIME.
[20:20:31] <K`zan> And quickly too.
[20:20:52] <K`zan> First engraving run went pretty well except that Z flexes almost as much as the commanded moves.
[20:21:07] <K`zan> Thus no retract on letter change.
[20:21:16] <rayh> The project certainly gives you a chance to test ideas and decide what needs to be different.
[20:21:19] <K`zan> Rather not enough retrct.
[20:21:33] <K`zan> rayh: Yes, indeedy it do :-).
[20:21:49] <rayh> That's how most of us learn.
[20:22:32] <pjm> archivist, hi, did u buy one of them stepper motors ?
[20:22:39] <archivist> yup
[20:22:43] <K`zan> Good all in all. If I had approached it as anything other than a learning experince I would be severely frustrated...
[20:22:58] <pjm> cool, the 220Ncm type? and if yes whats it like?
[20:23:04] <pjm> quality wise
[20:23:28] <archivist> still in the van (I already have the 180's)
[20:23:38] <archivist> seem ok
[20:24:02] <pjm> ah ok good - i've ordered one too, that seemed like an excellent price
[20:24:46] <K`zan> I think that part of the problem is that these steppers are a lot huskier than what was originally used (floppy steppers ,essentially).
[20:26:22] <pjm> K`zan that pipe mill looks cool!!! thats a good idea to use pipe fittings to make the chassis
[20:26:41] <archivist> pjm the only problem is they are grunty high torque motors so dont run very fast
[20:27:08] <pjm> archivist : ok but fine for direct drive of Z for example, which is where I'm gonna use one
[20:27:58] <archivist> once bolted to the machine the 180's run nice and cool so could probably handle more amps than the spec
[20:28:15] <pjm> i cant decide if i need to counterweight my Z either since the whole weight of the head etc is on the leadscrew
[20:28:40] <archivist> I think I will need to counterbalance
[20:29:13] <pjm> the milling head i got from the USA now weighs 42lbs
[20:29:14] <rayh> If you don't mind a small accel hit, a counterbalance will help quite a bit.
[20:29:41] <pjm> yeah i might well implement one in that case, i'm not overly worried about the acceleration
[20:30:12] <archivist> Im partly using the weight to take up play
[20:31:48] <pjm> well tommorow i should have my PSU completed for the 3 axis
[20:32:00] <pjm> so i can then start some tests with the XY table on my mill
[20:32:37] <pjm> it now looks like : http://pjm.dyndns.org/cnc/psu.jpg
[20:36:02] <gefink> by
[20:39:31] <rayh> nice job on that setup pjm
[20:39:40] <pjm> thanks
[20:39:51] <pjm> all that stuff has been recovered from the scrap yard!
[20:39:59] <pjm> including the IMS microstep drivers
[20:40:14] <archivist> * archivist wants to find pjm's scrapyard
[20:40:43] <pjm> hehh its probably a long driver for you if u live near that machine tool / cheap stepper suppler
[20:41:08] <pjm> i picked up a nice DC motor and right angle gear box today also that i'm gonna use to make a rapid traverse for my mill
[20:41:36] <rayh> What are you thinking of for parport breakout?
[20:41:53] <pjm> ah well i bought one of them cheap boards from cnc4pc i think it was
[20:41:59] <pjm> seems to work well
[20:43:20] <pjm> yeah it is the "C10 - Bidirectional Breakout Board" cost 25$ and with the £/$ exchange rate its cheaper to buy it than get parts locally and build something similar
[20:43:56] <rayh> I can imagine that's true these days.
[20:45:32] <pjm> but yeah so far from the testing i've done it seems pretty good, no complaints here!
[20:45:48] <pjm> i need to get another parport card tho ready for interfacing a pendant
[20:57:30] <BigJohnT> pjm did you see the wiki page on MPG pendants
[20:57:40] <micges> bye
[20:58:04] <pjm> BigJohnT ah not yet, its something on my things to do list so i've not really looked into it in great detail
[20:58:11] <pjm> but i will have a read
[20:58:27] <BigJohnT> ok just wanted to make sure you knew it was there
[20:58:37] <pjm> ok thanks for the tip
[20:58:49] <BigJohnT> np
[20:59:01] <pjm> i'm trying to reclaim this supposedly broken pendant from my dad who had one on his haas go faulty
[20:59:06] <pjm> its probably nothing and can be fixed
[21:04:28] <BigJohnT> the wiki page shows how to hook up the MPG as well as have speed and axis switches
[21:05:09] <pjm> ah yes excellent that is just what i need
[21:08:25] <pjm> BigJohnT yes just reading the docs, looks exactly like what I need
[21:08:37] <BigJohnT> glad I could help
[21:08:48] <BigJohnT> it was a fun project
[21:09:33] <pjm> once i have all my hardware built then i'll learn the software, the HAL looks pretty interesting and flexible
[21:10:43] <gezr> you guy's thoughts on paint stripper chemicals?
[21:22:58] <BigJohnT> gezr: I just drag it down the gravel road behind my 4 wheeler to remove the paint
[21:24:10] <archivist> knotted wire brush on an angle grinder
[21:25:10] <archivist> one does have to extract the occasional wire from a leg or hand though
[21:26:12] <BigJohnT> archivist: that is my favorite past time picking things from my skin, wire bits, ticks etc...
[23:02:25] <gezr> couldnt find a suitable gravel road, going with a stripper, she is in the garrage right now, laying all over the paint. this is pretty exciting, once I get the bike done, ill start working on the mini mill finally
[23:02:58] <gezr> and yep, those little wires are fun to pull out, I will admit to that
[23:03:29] <dmess> bike??
[23:04:02] <gezr> http://picasaweb.google.com/dagezar/K100Restoration
[23:04:43] <gezr> motovation has come in spurts lately, so im starting with the first unfinished project on my list
[23:05:08] <gezr> been waiting on a bearing for 2 weeks now, I should have it by the end of the week or I had better have it
[23:06:02] <gezr> and no, the funny degree wheel isnt a substutite for a torque wrench, they get torqued, then 80 more degrees
[23:10:42] <dmess> ive seen that before no sweat... nice job..
[23:12:07] <dmess> cool.. as much time taiking pisc as cleaning the whole thing ... :)
[23:12:57] <gezr> no, photos take seconds, cleaning takes hours
[23:13:18] <gezr> oh, for the sugar cube mill, im going to need someone willing to mill some stuff for me
[23:14:23] <gezr> its all going to be aluminum, ill buy the cutters for the dovetails, just tossing it out there to see if someone wants to use emc2 to make an even smaller machine for emc2
[23:24:00] <dmess> i have no current access to a machine or i would... there are 45 machines in our shop but the union wont let me touch 1 till its broken and they've spent 12 hrs on TRYINg to fix it... will they let me fix it in 2 hrs..
[23:25:11] <BigJohnT> after the union craftsmen get done how far does that set you back?
[23:26:05] <dmess> we have heidenhein 155 that pucks its plc for some reason.... ive done it 3 times in the last few months...i did it in 20 minutes this morning... 1 tech just came and got ME 1st..
[23:26:58] <dmess> they are all hired... our shop rat is 475 per hour.... so go figure why we cant keep work in-house..
[23:27:09] <dmess> rate
[23:28:20] <BigJohnT> crap I'd only have to work a couple of hours a week to pay for gas at that rate
[23:29:32] <dmess> our new FIDIA HSM wont let the boys open the door to clear chips without a complete windows.exe must be restarted....LOL i nearly cried laughing over that 1
[23:31:05] <dmess> come on up.. we need techs with cnc and servo and plc... yadayada..
[23:32:18] <JymmmEMC> Awesome! dmess is paying for everyone's accommodations and transportation!
[23:32:56] <dmess> accomodations isnt an issue... but its TENT like...
[23:33:27] <JymmmEMC> As long as TENT like measn hot and cold running water, shower, and AC INSIDE the tent
[23:33:27] <dmess> transportation... you all have thumbs... right ones work best...
[23:34:11] <dmess> no a/c.. but this is CANADA... dont worry the weather'll SUCCK
[23:34:25] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC counts... 1,2,3,4,7,8,9/// nope!
[23:34:44] <dmess> and there is running cold water ... if you wanna run for it
[23:35:03] <JymmmEMC> ... IN the tent.
[23:35:44] <dmess> depends on if you set the tent up in the creek or not???
[23:35:59] <JymmmEMC> I said IN, not under
[23:36:55] <dmess> if you run for it in a bucket... its running water where i come from anyway...
[23:37:40] <dmess> if you land jobs you can all split on an EMC household..
[23:39:31] <dmess> JymmmEMC: if you have a resume I'd be happy to make sure it was seen by the correct eyes...
[23:39:52] <dmess> if your interested that is
[23:43:44] <dmess> and temporary accomodations are NEVER an issue with me...
[23:44:09] <Sweeper> if you know what he means *wink* *wink*
[23:44:44] <dmess> bite ME
[23:48:46] <Hugomatic> Hi guys... I'm having problems trying to upgrade to EMC on Hardy: first I installed the 64 bit version on a clean Hardy install but EMC was unusable (it kept freezing running gcode, but I did manage to move the tool around in manual mode). Now I've switched to the live CD, but my wifi was not detected (it was in the restricted drivers on the 64 bit version). Any idea? thanks for the help.
[23:50:27] <jepler> Hugomatic: the linux-restricted-modules package is available to match the i386 rtai kernel. the package name seems to be linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-rtai
[23:51:15] <Hugomatic> jepler: thanks... I'll try to find that in synaptic