I got tired of trying to convince Cadence I needed to make a circuit board and downloaded Eagle
dmess: atk is a library concerned with "accessibility" features in user interfaces (special things needed by screen readers and the like). It's used by most gtk and gnome applications.
then why am i having dependancy violations... while trying to install stuff... though i KNOW it works
might it be looking for the bluetooth plug??
im playin to get whiteboard_0.3.4-0ubuntu_i386.deb workin'
[01:32:58] <fenn> http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0805.JPG
hmm, now to write g-code to mill that
scale up... cnc plasma cutter out of 1/4" plate, bend, cnc weld, emc lawn sculpture
I was thinking more 5-axis out of solid - maybe some kind of foam
heck of a demo for cradek's 5-axis max-NC
you are a TRUE cut and past junkie
neat info: http://pergatory.mit.edu/2.75/2-75_Lectures.htm
to really bow minds mill the mould... ; )
dmess: the internet tells me that package is for hardy (ubuntu 8.04). if you're installing that whiteboard deb on something other than hardy, it may simply not be possible to install it. otherwise, after manually installing the .deb, use "sudo apt-get -f install" to add packages that are newly required.
i was thinking use a ballnose mill to cut grooves in flexible plastic or that paper-coated foamboard, then bend along the grooves
I'm betting the measurements have to change a bit when you factor in thickness
now write the G-code to cut suitable grooves with a 6-axis knife system, so when you fold it the inside and outside are nice and smooth :)
ah, a knife, that would be best
[02:48:50] <jmkasunich> http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Pickover/mobius-cover-final.jpg
Hey, is Chris still in here?
you mean cradek?
(using his nick is more likely to get his attention - the IRC clients usually highlight or beep or whatever when they see that)
I always feel like such a geek using someone's nick...
anyone use geda for a non-trivial electronic design
cradek, you around?
Jessica492: it makes such a nice golden message on my client
it color codes messages addressed to my nic
jmkasunich: the lecture on modal analysis was written by my friend eric
I just saw a link to cradek's site on Jake von Slatt's steampunk site. I'm trying to get ahold of Jake and was wondering if chris knew him.
he was on my Ph.D. committee for that matter
I just bought a steamer chest full of old analog meters. golden crap for steampunkers!
I hate to get rid of those things
I have an old analog volt/amp meter that I can't throw away
old meters? -> steampunk watches http://www.eager-beavers.net/products/info.cgi?temp=TMP0&id=154
those are cool
I installed fedora 8 yesterday on my computer not knowing that fedora 9 was going to be released today
do you have to use your thumb to advance the hands on those watches tomp?
dunno, cant read the instructions :)
$99 750 gig hard drives at Fry's, reported to have problems with the chipset in my computer :(
Hi all, first time in here, how are you all?
thank you sir. I just got a new computer, got ubuntu and xp all fired up on it, and my cnc hopefully should get through customs tomorrow, looking forward to really getting into it
the old computer is downstairs and between uni exams i'm trying to get it sorted out as a dedicated cnc machine, but i'm in exam mode so time has been short
i've been looking at linux cnc and want to try it, whats it like for rapid prototyping?
uh, you mean 3d printing or some other deposition technique
or are you trying to make real prototypes on a mill or lathe
Real prototypes from an stl on my mill, basically getting a prototype done fast as possible. Stick in stl, tell it what tools i want to use and make it happen
not going to happen
linux cnc is the control
the programming part is up to you
oh ok, now i understand, much like a mach 3 thing (Sorry to bring up a win program dont hit me)
uh, i use actual controls
that look like MS dos and cost a lot of money
i've never even tried emc
Shamanj: stock emc understands gcode, not stl, dxf, iges etc. but you can change it if you like.
just use my employer's stuff.
stl is not a good format for a mill (removal process)
it's almost as though sterolithography is a different process!
wherein material is added!
doesn't Qcad have a cam component
that is open source
very, very interesting
or is that apt360/aptos
STL treats everything as a collection of triangles
start with a 3D model and dump it into an appropriate CAM package then feed the output of that to EMC
someone was talking about controlling a rapid prototyping machine with emc
but the programming was going to be a bear
Shamanj: you need a CAM program - currently there aren't any free programs that do true 3d machining
[03:41:44] <fenn> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
emc has a parser that turn gcodes into small tasks for motion and i/o. If you change that end of the source code you can make the input format different than gcode.
thats not a small project
i have a cam program, but am looking at alternatives, and solidcam and camworks SUCK
toastydeath: qcad has a commercial extension that does 2.5d cam, basically tracing dxf outlines and pocketing
there was a free CAM program but the CAD program that goes with it was not free
lol always the way :)
aha another moebius trefoil: http://ribbonsoft.com/img/ribbonsoft.png
excuse me for a moment gentlemen (Afk)
Some of you use 3axis cnc mills yes?
3-axis mills are probably the most common machines
then lathes, then everything else (4- and 5-axis, etc)
on of the things I need to do is mill foam in some parts down to as little as 1mm, i was wondering if you think its going to tear it to pieces
depends on the foam
Moebius ? 'Le Garage Hermetique' tomp-tAG the Airight Garage ;) http://www.chivian.com/chivian/a/AirtightGarage4.html
and the cutter, and etc
should work fine
if the bubbles in the foam are the same size as the details in your parts, you won't be happy
but if it is a fine grained foam, should work
fantastic, its fairly high density stuff, so it was a little concerning, i'll keep its rpm way up there
do you know what kind of foam it is?
i am pretty sure there are some cutters manufactured specifically for prototyping various foams
rigid and crumbly when you squish it, like florists foam? or softer?
double cut carbide bur is the best i think
rigid is better ;-)
(unless it overheats)
florist foam may be a cheap demo material
i've also seen videos of expanding foam poured into big cardboard boxes
i like the pink or blue stuff used for insulation
then strapped to a 5 axis mill
toastydeath: not for 1mm details tho
blue board is fine grained, consistent, cheap, readily available, and rigid enough for most applications
need small and fairly uniform bubble size
fenn: I'd love to be able to use cradek's mill to make this out of bluefoam at the workshop:
i think there's a thread on PM about making your own machinable wax
[03:52:58] <jmkasunich> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Trefoil_knot_arb.png
and then you could cast it in Al
jmkasunich: do you want the blender file?
sorry jm got a phone call
fenn: I don't see that getting me to g-code
its very rigid stuff, seems quite plasticy if that a proper word, very hard to compress it, name unknown, will talk to the manufacturer
Shamanj: the key requrement (I think) is that it _cuts_
some softer plastics melt or bend instead of cutting
I've seen polyethelyene foam (like foamed gallon milk jugs)
that stuff doesn't machine well at all
jmkasunich: here's a process for converting from blender to heightmap, which can be used with img-to-gcode: http://www.junktech.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=28
ok guys thanks, i might head to the store and grab some endmills n stuff ;)
you have an endmill store?
anyway, here's the blend file; change the triangle to a circle and the nurbs surface is on layer 2: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/color_knot.blend
LOL I WISH
its just bunnings
but then theres also ebay,
oh like a big hardware chain
then there's also msc?
australia is kinda puss when it comes to getting good tools
or call your local kennametall guy
we do that often
"hello kennametall guy we need one endmill please"
awesome thanks i'll write that down! Are they generally quite expensive per tool?
niagria kennametall is like middle of the road insofar as tooling goes
I'm thinking of getting a set initially, so i got a bit of everything, then specialising
i feel they are a good choice for hsm-type dudes.
i would not recommend a set unless you already bought it
tomp2: is that what tAG really means?
i'd get endmills piecemeal from a mfg like kenna
to make up that set
thats what i always meant ;)
my biz card
Niagara cutter is the top of the line in endmills and things with sharp edges
and sandvik is pretty much top of the line for lathe and inserted tooling, mill stuff included
is Atrax known at all?
are you talking about a file format or a company
there are a ton of little tiny tooling companies that make endmills and stuff
toastydeath: I believe Shamanj is in Austrialia - is kennametal gonna have a presence there?
some of them are really, really good
some of them are crappy
but you won't find reviews and i certainly won't know about them because they're tiny
yes they do :)
i guess they do!
i didn't know or not, i just assumed they had a worldwide presence
well, i'll head down there now, it 2 pm maybe i'll get there before they close
Thanks for all your info guys! You've been great
in oz, try http://www.standaco.com.au/page.asp?parentid=72&parent2id=83
oops. earlier i meant to say "there arent any free CAM programs that do true 3d machining"
emc2 does 3d machining just fine
airtight garage reminds me of aeon flux
enco carries quite a bit of Atrax, US Made, Carbide EM's cheap
they seem to do pretty well
we just bought a plunge rougher from kennametall
i think it was like 400 bucks
we were kind of shocked but it works well
without bits :( There is an accident on the highway no way i'll make it
vacuum pump arrived though, looks sweet
you win some you loose some
i'm thinking of asking my mill to cut 0.5mm stainless, anyone here cut metals occasionally?
hehe some people have too much time on their hands
dave_1: how is the mazak coming?
skunkworks ... after I changed the video driver from nv to vesa ... just fine
I'm back up and running and fine tuned a bit and am very happy.
halscope has certainly gotten better and is a real help
heh - what version were you runing before?
oh - wow. :)
I don't upgrade until I feel I must ... now that I have hard wire to the shop it will be easier
50' as the crow flies but 200 thru conduit
way too many projects here... trying to get a muzzleloader ready for deer season.
plus work on the Cinncinati mill and the lathe
oh, yes ... and the surface grinder
any snow for you today ;-)
we are supposed to 88 this afternoon
Nope. Start of walleye season today
so ... time to go fishing :-)
boats on the lake and the sun is shining.
does that help
Sometimes I like catching not just fishing.
Yep right after dark.
barbless ... catch and release
Glad you got that upgrade working for you.
Except for the biggest two.
so am I ... I really stress everytime I upgrade
Did you get IRC going down there.
maybe just a good stiff drink
not yet ... just thinking about it tho
For point-and-click setup
System->Software Preferences gets you to the repository listing
Then apt-get install xchat does it.
I think xchat is in universe
If I were a bit brighter I could do it from here.
have you got an ssh server running down there?
ssh -X (dotted quad) is how I get around here.
But you've got to install the ssh server on the mazak.
I should learn how to to that
let's see if I can get xchat up first.
okay. I'll hang around if you want to try that now.
I've got other things to do in the shop ... actually making some chips ... and let's hope something useful.
we'll catch you later
skunkworks, Are you using onboard video with any of your machines?
I think all the ones I have found that work (3?) have i810 chipsets
yes - the compaq 1ghz machine I use for testing has onboard video.
What breed of display does it say it uses.
(it has its own memory though - not shared with the main memory) - let me look
I have been adding computers here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test
It is an nvidia tnt series - dapper is using the vesa driver.
my i810 machines actually have accelerated opengl that works
much better than vesa
That's good to hear.
ubuntu recognises it? As an i810?
both dapper and hardy
although I think it's i9xx
I have tested a few computers with onboard video recently that performed quite well.. But I didn't keep track of what they had for vidoe.
I wish I could get i8xx/i9xx video cards, but I think they are only integrated chipsets
seems like intel have the right idea concerning open source
mobos are pretty cheap these days? video card upgrade == motherboard upgrade?
cradek: ATI/AMD are making some efforts in that area as well
though it won't be until hardy+2 or +3 before people really enjoy the fruits of that, I suspect
[15:34:17] <jepler> http://ati.amd.com/developer/open_gpu_documentation.html
including documents called "R5xx Family 3D Programming Guide" and "R3xx 3D Registers"
I don't think the closeness of the driver is the issue with ATI/Nvidia & RT-stuff
I think it certainly is an obstacle to fixing it
but it could be true that it's a hardware problem
I've not used any nvidia chipset mobos Got opinions?
i'm with cradek: if you have a choice, choose intel video chipsets
no experience here
rayh: I have one that seems to work but I've never used it to control hardware.
"GIGABYTE GA-M51GM-S2G AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard"
from what I have seen - a lot of the newer motherboard don't share the video memory with the main memory.. I think this is the main improvement.
as far as I know this is a shared-memory-architecture system
(as long as they are not bottom barrel motherboards (pcchips and such)
Shared is what I've used for quite a while but not the nvidia.
I think AMD plans to produce CPU+GPU chips sometimes next year
wonder if that iwll be any good for RT
Hey thanks guys. Gotta order boxes for fest.
rayh: this specific motherboard has a problem on hardy: it does not detect the CDROM once you've installed -- no /dev/hdc, no /dev/cdrom
jepler: even with stock hardy?
alex_joni: yes, I booted with the -generic kernel and still had the problem
I've seen some where it used /dev/sd* even if IDE
there is also a boot option called "all_generic_ide" which seems to help on some machines
sata shows up as scsi
my eeepc came up all sd* with hardy, but thats all solidstate, so i wasnt surprised
scsi vs ide may or may not be the problem here, but the point is there's no /dev entry for a cdrom device
anything good in the boot-time log?
I don't have the machine handy
this is the launchpad issue that I believe is related to my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/219761
dupe initramfs from installer cd and reboot?
the only time I use removable media is to install the OS anyway; it's not bugging me
rayh you still on?
I'm running from the shop
in fact while I'm machining
Is this xchat.
now if I just had video ;-)
alex don't I wish
Okay folk. Let's try to build an mazak bomb!
gee thanks guys ...
* alex_joni thinks about tweaking G0
dave_1: how about a free 200% increase in motor speed?
'lead me not into temptation, I can get in enough trouble by myself"
actually I limit my rapids ....
I think it is easier on the machine
now if you are talking steppers then I'm certain you have peoples attention
alex_joni: what crazy idea is going through your head
alex ... so what kind of magic can you apply to G00
dave_1: I didn't mean the motors can really do that
was just jokingly saying that one coudl tweak emc to output twice as fast feeds
dave_1 "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
hows that alex?
That gets the server so you can connect from the mac
BigJohnT: simply increase max_speed
Oh boy, I want to go 1000IPM
sure ... mach 3
mine is in inches
BigJohnT: mine is faster
[16:09:41] <skunkworks_> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/vostro200.png
alex_joni: it is the one that needed irqpoll
skunkworks_: I just sent the announcement for hardy on the users list
thanks to all (especially skunkworks_) for extensive testing on lots of machines
gotta run ... can't multi-task and keep myself out of trouble on the machine
rayh ssh is installed
Ther you go
now off to make more chips
rayh: ^ the vostro has a intel G33/31 express video chipset - as far as I know it is shared.
It runs glx gears smooooth full screen.
* alex_joni runs home.. brb
How about Intel GMA 950. I see that nowadays quite a bit.
don't know if I have run across that..
if it was good for realtime, this would be a neat little machine for emc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101065
(assuming you can get ubuntu installed from USB somehow; doesn't seem to have an internal cdrom / dvd)
if you care to void your warranty, you could even stick in a Mesa or other PCI board
I guess modern machines boot from USB CDROM just fine
You read the reports on that page also.
I skimmed a few of them; did you see a red flag?
Just that about voiding the warranty thing.
oh -- actually i saw the sticker on the photos first
we have some shuttles here. I don't know.. they are packed in pretty good.. we have had issues with heat.
darn limit 20 per customer on that shuttle
dang, ray, how many were you going to order?
not that many
I'd guess we would have pretty good luck with the shuttle. It has foresight Linux pre-installed.
Graphics Memory: Shared 224MB Video Memory
(out of 512MB)
I'd be extremely wary about realtime performance
but if you only want to run sim, they'd be perfectly fine
I have a suttle here.. I will see what on-board video it has.
I'd guess that the BIOS would allow setting the amount of shared memory. All of mine here do.
No CDROM on that. How about installing Ubuntu? USB? Net? or...
I hear USB cdroms exist
[16:43:08] <cradek> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817186102
I think you have to make them by getting a box like this and sticking a cdrom in it
note: I have not done this
cradek: I use one all the time
actually a DVD writer
but booting from it may be a different matter, right?
* rayh thinks cradek reads his mind.
well.. depending how new the mobo is
stuff that's 1 year old or newer should all be fine I think
SF is again overly "fast" today..
I haven't had a 1-year-old-or-newer computer for a long time...
even if you do.. it's only for a year
Don't thank Chris! Send money to ....
We did set up USB boot on the MiniITX boxes so I know that bios has it.
After the boot though you've got to switch off legacy USB support.
screws with RT?
Yea big time.
I'll post some numbers here as soon as I'm done with a compile on it.
Forgot how slow a compile is on a 1g processor.
hmm.. did any of you get my email to the users list?
sent it > 1h ago
I only get that at home
* archivist sees nothing on gmail yet
alex_joni: I don't see a recent message from you on the users list. last I have is from Rob Jansen, "Last time I made a .deb file it was called .rpm (on RedHat)"
probably sourceforge is taking a nap
gone walleye fishing;)
I don't recommend sending it 12 more times
.. limit yourself to 6 or fewer times, including the original submission
it's probably content-related
last time I sent this (to the devel list) it also took close to a day
Darn Hardy gets more like that other os every day Another restart required.
rayh: they only say that...
I never really do restart.. I keep working the shut down my machine when I finish
Ah I don't shut mine down.
[17:34:59] <skunkworks_> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/shuttle2ghz.png
crap - covered up the video.
it is an intel 865 integrated video
no issues. But I have seen that the smi sometimes doesn't show its head until the install for some reason.
(This was just the livecd boot)
ran it for a good 20 minutes
alex_joni: the hardy email showed up.
[Emc-users] EMC2 on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron LTS - officialannouncement
yeah.. here too
[17:53:37] <skunkworks_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58133
can someone who knows more about it update this page to reflect how to get the SMI "fix" on Hardy? (please leave the text that applies to Dapper, as well) http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FixingSMIIssues
I have only loaded the rtai_smi.ko manually. (insmod rtai_smi.ko) I was planning on trying to do it by editing the rtapi.conf on hardy but have not tried it yet.
what is nice - is that it is already on the system - so you don't need to pull it off the wiki and put it in the module directory)
jepler: I thought I already did that a while ago
"For Hardy you don't need to compile or install it, it's already there (go to step 6)."
might not be obvious enough
did I? I was just skimming for references to Dapper and guessing where it might need to be updated for Hardy
I'm 95% certain I've never had to use smi
I'll update www.linuxcnc.org now
rayh_ is now known as rayh
alex_joni: you have no fear! should I ignore all the pub key warnings when using http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/emc2-install.sh?
tomp2: you shouldn't get any
tomp2: paste or pastebin the warning
the gpg import might have failed
like alex says, it's surprising that you would get one
Hello Hardy Heron hung on install at 15% detecting file systems anyone else have a problem?
I also got that warning on my dell alex
will xfer the errs, its on another box
als: what is the hardware?
ALS: was that the live cd from linuxcnc.org? or the default Ubuntu CD?
compaq 533 Ath ,
ALS: got enough memory?
trident blade 3d
first try? or has it done it more than once?
I see some others on the forms with same prob and same spot with earlier vertions
right - I have had dapper do that a few times.. Second time around it works great.
tomp2: try running the emc2-install.sh script from a terminal
ya I'll give it go again
and look for gpg errors
ALS: the other way to install it is starting with a working 8.04 (stock) install..
witch way would you suggest
ALS: first try again
yes, gpg failed, yes, run from terminal, here's paste http://pastebin.ca/1019297
only run from terminal, and still running ;)
gpg: keyserver receive failed: general error
tomp2: sounds like either the server is down, or you can't reach it..
what about 'unsafe permissions on gpg.conf' ?
hmm.. on second thought it might be your gpg.conf
check the permission
I just ran the --recv-key and it was OK, but I also didn't have a gpg.conf warning
I think it must be 600
gpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe options file permissions <- that might mean it doesn't even attempt to download the key
yes that's exactly right
after "chmod 777 ~/.gpg" I get a similar error
alex_joni: perms are 100600
it's actually the permission on the directory ~/.gnupg, not the file ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf, in my case at least
might try adding the flag --no-permission-warning in the script, to both invocations of gpg
it would be nice to understand why that directory got created with incorrect permission, though
mc reports 'gpg.conf Permission (octal 100600) Owner tomp Groups tomp '
check the directory perms now...
100600 makes no sense to me
tomp2: use ls -a ~/.gnupc/
tomp2: use ls -a ~/.gnup/
tomp2: use ls -a ~/.gnupg/
crap.. can't type
cradek: S_IFREG 0100000 regular file
ls -l ~/.gnupg shows ... -rw------- 1 tomp tomp 28 2008-04028 16:44 gpg.conf
how about .gnupg/ as a folder ?
tomp2: it is the permission on the directory that we're enquiring after. In the shell, you could see it with 'ls -ld ~/.gnupg' or with the commandline alex_jono suggested (as the "." entry)
ls -l -d -a ~/.gnupg drwx------ 2 tomp tomp 4096 2008-0505 13:25 /home/tomp/.gnupg
safe to ignore? it's asking me to reboot
tomp2: seems right, but I'd still run this:
sudo chown yourusername:yourusername ~/.gnupg
chmod 700 ~/.gnupg
chmod 600 ~/.gnupg/*
alex_joni: the 3 commands ran fine, should i re-run the script as a test?
tomp2: or you can look inside the script, and pick out the gpg line
gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 8F374FEF
well i got 'warning unsafe....' again before looking at keys, will let it ride out now
gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 8F374FEF
gpg -a --export 8F374FEF | sudo apt-key add -
and since it had all the files, the script ended quick
so no more warnings?
no, same warnings
are you running as tomp ?
lemme look again, saw the 1st ... yes as tomp
i go look now
tomp2: can't you irc from that machine? makes it a bit easier :)
will try irc there... doh!
tom1: hi ;)
can you "touch ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf" ?
yes, did that now
did it change the timestamp?
yes -rw------- 1 tomp tomp 28 2008-05-15 14:35 /home/tomp/.gnupg/gpg.conf
tom1: you don't happen to have a root shell.. right?
correct just a terminal from the user menu
it's $ in there, not #.. ?
* alex_joni feels lost.. no more bright ideas..
oops clipped the important bit tomp@stepperBox:~$
tomp@stepperBox:~$ no problem alex_joni, safe to reboot?
tom1: this is probably only a nuisance
as you'll keep getting the same error message on updates
rainman 'doesnt bother me ' ;)
If jessica shows back up... People seem to like this guys spindle.. http://cgi.ebay.com/TB-350S-High-Speed-Precision-Spindle-CNC-Routers_W0QQitemZ180238323009QQihZ008QQcategoryZ57028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
tom1: an alternative is to get the key from pgp.mit.edu via webbrowser and install it with apt-key add (manually)
[19:46:43] <alex_joni> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x8F374FEF
will do, thx
but I still don't think it's right..
the system is empty, i dont mind starting over if it help
alex_joni: there's nothing we can do about bad permissions on ~/.gnupg; either that's a preexisting problem that tom1 caused somehow, or gpg itself creates it wrong. Maybe there's an ubuntu bug to be filed here, and maybe a workaround (like --no-permission-warning) to put in our script..
or include the gpg public key as a "here document" in the install script
jepler: yeah, but the stuff tomp pasted looks good
so I'm not sure what the issue is..
* alex_joni blames tomp for the record ;)
santa will know :(
tom1: can you pastebin the output from "export" ?
i dont mind wiping it, i get sluggish video response with Matrox MGA Millenium and emc isnt happy at all (used to be fine on 6.06 )
tom1: if it was fine on 6.06.. by all means, stick to 6.06 ;)
option the thirteenth: use a newly-created temporary directory for gnupg --homedir
not sure that's a good idea
[19:59:22] <tom1> http://pastebin.ca/1019371
sudo gpg --list-keys gives same gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/tomp/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
well.. it's ok that it goves that with sudo
it should only work without
ok, i saw the explanation of the desktop icon asking for password and assumed i'd need to sudo the cmd.
good, i didnt wipe it, i tired the updates to see what might happen on this scratch system :)
my fault, sorry :-[
you must be tried :)
tomp2: so it's fine without the sudo?
ok, will try that now
its got 20 minutes to go on the updates, so i will look at how to save the sh script to desktop ( never done such a thing b4 )
i 'spose its just preferences in firefox
right-click, save as
or "save link as"
(or maybe sometimes "save link target as")
doesnt that always go to the path in preferences ( usually not Desktop )? I'll set it to save & ask always, there!
the linuxcnc.org used to give excruciating step-by-step instructions on how to do this
yep - you can set it to aleays some spot or always ask
saving to desktop is the default
or was in 6.06
it is, until you change that preference :)
the full instructions are still at http://linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=4&lang=en
but not at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2
now for something completely different , if these are not too expensive, they might make a nice small demo machine http://www.igus.com/show_dw.asp
looking for pricinf now
the instructions from the email positing look the same, so will try w/o sudo soon
so is there a huge traffic jam on /hardy/ubuntu today?
this time I get error burn cd slower or bad hard drive or move cooler place?
hardy install ^^^
did you get an error while burning, or when you tried to boot/check the CD contents?
it boots ok
check the md5sum of the ISO image, then the disc
did you check the disc itelf?
didn't check the disc
ok, `dd if=/dev/<watever your CDROM is> | md5sum` should do the trick
after booting it?
oh, well you can also select the "check media" boot option
if you want to boot it, but that command would work on a running system (version doesn't really matter - wherever you burned it would do, unless it was Windows)
it was :(
then boot the CD ;)
i'll be back
alex_joni: yes, running it that way works with no errors, the key was retrieved no problems, sorry!
I checked the cd for errors and ran md5sum i think?
dd: reading `/dev/cdrw': Input/output error
1423416+0 records in
1423416+0 records out
728788992 bytes (729 MB) copied, 215.944 s, 3.4 MB/s
the check for errors said non found
you can trust the check that you can run after you boot it
reading the md5sum of a burnt cd rarely works right
it worked for me on that image, so I figured it must be unviversal these days :)
it installed on this dell so I tried it on my compaq
what should i do start the search for this type of problem?
it's likely a bad burn
burn cd slower bad hard drive move to cooler place error
if the media check from the booted CD doesn't work, then you definitely need to do something about the burn process
I reburned a new copy at 8X same thing
how old is the drive?
the cd checked out
I thought you said the media check passed
missed that I guessI
err - you knw
witch one HHD or CD
the HD is 80 G not to old
I don't want to move to cooler place!
so at this point we know the disc couldn't install (though it did boot) on one machine, but it has passed the CD media check?
yes and that same disc installed on my dell
that media check is worthless... I've had it past and still fubar the install
hmmm. I haven't seen your bug reports ...
But, if you DL and burn at 4x speed, they usually work fine.
SWPadnos: and you never will, unless you copy and paste from in here
the media check reads and checksums every file on the cd. I can't think of a better test.
it verifies that the CD is readable AND has the proper contents in each file
SWPadnos: cradek : I just put myself on the list as attending EMC Fest 2008. It comes at a bad time for me, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to finally meet you guys.
I'm just telling you what I've come across.
and what I did to work around it.
lerman, cool. it'll be good to see you there
lerman: cool, it will be nice to meet you
wish I was going
I think the emc part will be bigger this year. I hope we can get something done :-)
I can only stay til Thursday, but I'm sure I'll have fun. I'll be flying to Chicago and driving from there.
what day are you getting to chicago?
Sunday at 9:30 AM MDW airport.
about right for me to swing by and pick you up on the way
ah darn, I bet some others will drive through on Saturday
only a day late :)
yeah, that's too bad
actually it's a little early anyway - I don't think I'll get from Cleveland to Chicago by 9:30 AM
or Toledo - somewhere or other
SWPadnos: I'll probably want a car, anyway. Although it's probably going to be expensive because of the large number of miles.
should be unlimited miles - it's just the fuel that gets you
that's easy if you just have the sense to get a small car
(if you can rent such a thing!)
I've go to go to class now. I just thought I'd let you guys know. (You can't tell I'm excited, can you?)
it'll be fun this year!
I'll see you.
* alex_joni is off to bed..
good night all
all the rentacar places are filled with big cars they will upgrade you to for 'free'. DONT, nobody wants them because of the gas price (2.9x in illinois for reg), insist on the little car you booked.
I will gladly take gas at 2.9x
please send a 2000G tanker of it west
3.7x here today
yeah - the rental place in Madison had their fueling option at $7.50 a gallon or so
only about $3.80 street price
walleye.. thats pickeral for me... im heading out sat am too
you're right, my mind refuses to believe gas can be 4$/gal , it's 3.9x in illinois, ( and water was 2$/gal at the 7-11 )
get used to it.. the US war machine needs $$$
can YOU boycotte gas
well, i bought an electric bicycle
me got a human-powered bicycle
it's electric assist, so i'm only borg
i'd like a turbo-diesel series electric three wheel motorcycle, but i think i'm gonna have to make one
something along these lines http://fennetic.net/pub/sketches/tadpole-0.1-web.jpg
i want turbine electric/hydrostatic drive... and will deffinitly have to build it
similar concept with turbine engine instead http://fennetic.net/pub/sketches/tadpole-plane-0.2-web.jpg
look up chang-ahama ? chang-ahama, no, the chang-azuki ! http://www.psychicworldusa.com/Diesel_Bike/Suzuki.html
too round.... needs to be a teardrop shape
dmess: the roundness is because it has wings on the sides
(short stubby wings)
does it fly??
i've seen model R/C boats fly..
still yhink teardrop... and put cranks for the wings
if you get thrust*lift/drag/weight high enough it'll fly
cranks? like fold out wings?
l/g at the root of teardrop and flex wing
re: diesel moto, 104mpg is ok for a quick hack, but not great in comparison to an engineered solution
aptera gets 330mpg or thereabouts (pure electric though)
230mpg diesel prototype
at what RMS speed?
we wont be winning against the new bugatti... electronically limited to 407 kph
with your foot down you have an out and return to the gas station of 12 minute on 100L of fuel
heh i dont know if it would handle too well at 407kph
not enough wings
the brakes are GARANTEED to stop you fro 402 k to 0 in 10 seconds.... you will still cover close to km while ON the brakes TO thE MAX
but, you could buy approximately 50 of them for one bugatti
500? its 1.5million right?
tis 1.23 million euro.. (about 2 million US)
it is the fastest production thing on wheels..... the kawisaki hyabussa does 0 to 100 in 2.8 it does it in 2.8... 17 seconds to 300 kmp
1001 hp and a 7 speed gearbox
fenn whats your e-mail.... it is an engineering = mona lisa
fenn at sdf.lonestar.org
hmm 0 to 100 in 2.5 sec is 1.13*gravity
must have sticky tires
yeah.. do the mth on the braking... thats were i went WOW
without seat belts the drive SHOULD launch thru the windshield
tires are specially made for THIS car
is the body guaranteed to survive during a 402k braking to 0 in 10sec?
its mostly carbon fiber so probably
understand it is electronically limmited to 407 kmp.. some jarhead had it in restricted....
i give up on this keyboard
a real mini-cooper with a hayabusa engine :) http://www.zcars.org.uk/mini/conversion.htm
not the bmw cooper thing