#emc | Logs for 2008-04-21

[00:00:17] <jmkasunich> I'm in cleveland, and will be taking a pickup to the CNC workshop - so items loadable by one man can make it that far at least
[00:00:18] <rayh> I don't have a clue how you'd support a head by itself but there must be a way.
[00:00:20] <SWPadnos> one of the many places on the east coast that's actually 300 miles from the coast ;)
[00:00:49] <eric_U> that sounds difficult
[00:01:16] <SkullWorks_PGAB> K'zan you still dying for the manual I can email it to you.
[00:01:34] <rayh> Moving these pieces is easiest with 2 guys but if jmk has room for the return I could fit them on a skid.
[00:02:16] <rayh> Hi jmkasunich. How's your machine running?
[00:02:26] <jmkasunich> quite well ;-)
[00:02:36] <rayh> Fantastic.
[00:03:23] <jmkasunich> rayh: http://jmkasunich.com/pics/port-fine-machined-2019.jpg
[00:03:39] <jmkasunich> tecumsah intake manifold for a minibike
[00:03:48] <jmkasunich> I did 18 of them from raw castings for a friend
[00:04:03] <rayh> Nice job.
[00:04:36] <rayh> Did a similar thing as a kid for 327 chev
[00:05:04] <jmkasunich> 8 times as much work ;-)
[00:05:38] <rayh> You write the code by hand?
[00:05:53] <jmkasunich> no - jepler has been playing around with a program that does offsetting
[00:05:53] <SkullWorks_PGAB> JMK what was the cycle time?
[00:06:14] <rayh> Beautiful
[00:06:21] <jmkasunich> I wrote the basic outline of the port, then did offsets and xy shifts and z stepdowns
[00:06:44] <jmkasunich> SkullWorks_PGAB: roughing, milling (with coarse steps) and drilling the holes was about 15 mins
[00:06:58] <jmkasunich> the one in that pic was fine milled, that added another 10 mins or so
[00:07:21] <jmkasunich> here is the coarse version: http://jmkasunich.com/pics/port-machined-2014.jpg
[00:08:39] <jmkasunich> anybody know any tricks for measuring unknown tapers?
[00:09:09] <rayh> sine plate?
[00:09:10] <jmkasunich> I have a small collet, 5/16" dia on the straight part, ~1/2" at the fat end, taper about 5/16" long
[00:09:13] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: internal or external?
[00:09:17] <jmkasunich> external
[00:09:37] <anonimasu> I'd chuck it up in the lathe then take a dial gauge..
[00:10:18] <anonimasu> and measure it accurately enough to get the angle
[00:11:07] <jmkasunich> that sounds like a plan
[00:11:14] <jmkasunich> just need to make sure I have the center height right
[00:11:22] <anonimasu> yeah
[00:11:41] <anonimasu> if you have a toolfix or something like that you have a depth stop on them
[00:11:41] <anonimasu> :)
[00:11:54] <jmkasunich> I picked up a set of three today - 1/8", 3/16", and 1/4" - I want to make a small fast spindle to accept them
[00:12:05] <anonimasu> ^_^
[00:12:22] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: if you have spindle ideas throw them my way :)
[00:12:51] <jmkasunich> I'm just getting started - when I have something drawn up I'll post it
[00:12:54] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[00:13:15] <anonimasu> I'd like to design a spindle that will handle fast speeds given good bearings and are easy enough to make
[00:13:46] <anonimasu> aluminium is a pain at 4krpm :)
[00:13:47] <jmkasunich> the small diameter will help a lot for this
[00:14:57] <anonimasu> yep
[00:15:12] <anonimasu> *yawn* it's way too late here
[00:15:21] <jmkasunich> I saw a neat accessory spindle at the show, pics as soon as I pull them off the camera
[00:15:22] <SkullWorks_PGAB> guys were making engraving spindles from 8mm drill rod using skate bearings and buying the Proxxon collets and nut.
[00:15:53] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[00:16:02] <anonimasu> I'd look at being able to use 10mm tooling for a spindle..
[00:16:09] <SkullWorks_PGAB> really simple - O-ring belt drive with a sewing machine motor
[00:16:12] <anonimasu> that's probably max you'd need
[00:17:03] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/pics/fast-spindle-2028.jpg
[00:17:09] <SkullWorks_PGAB> also works as a PCB spindle
[00:17:22] <jmkasunich> the top goes into the R8 taper of a bport
[00:19:03] <SkullWorks_PGAB> nice and simple - I just cringle at using a drill chuck for any milling (side load).
[00:19:41] <jmkasunich> the chuck is for sensitive drilling - it's on a spline with a fingertip ring
[00:19:57] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/pics/fast-spindle-dwg-2029.jpg
[00:20:16] <jmkasunich> the chuck etc. comes out for "milling", he uses it mostly for engraving
[00:20:22] <anonimasu> yeah
[00:20:47] <anonimasu> * anonimasu looks at the datron spindles and sighs
[00:21:00] <jmkasunich> I think I'd try to put the back bearing further up inside the R8 - the span between bearings is pretty short
[00:22:12] <SkullWorks_PGAB> ID of an R8 is only .950"
[00:22:37] <SkullWorks_PGAB> thats the spindle ID
[00:23:02] <jmkasunich> skinny bearing? ;-)
[00:23:34] <SkullWorks_PGAB> collets are .948" at the rear and smaller in the undercut area
[00:23:45] <anonimasu> micro tools :)
[00:24:15] <jmkasunich> micro-tools is all I'm interested in for this spindle
[00:24:25] <jmkasunich> PCB drills and mills, 1/8" shank
[00:24:33] <SkullWorks_PGAB> maybe a needle bearing - but they don't like going fast ( comared to ball bearings
[00:24:35] <jmkasunich> small ID grindstones, 1/8" or 1/4"
[00:24:54] <anonimasu> hehe
[00:25:28] <jmkasunich> I mean, mounted stones with 1/4" shanks
[00:28:01] <SkullWorks_PGAB> I saw a crazy one - spindle was 3/4" OD and had a 3/16" drive shaft that went up thru a hollow draw bar and used a air die grinder to power it.
[00:28:36] <SkullWorks_PGAB> worked - but way too noisy for my liking.
[00:29:18] <anonimasu> http://www.datron.de/EinschneiderTest.725.1.html?&L=1
[00:29:26] <anonimasu> new videos ^_^
[00:30:07] <jmkasunich> bring large amounts of money
[00:30:14] <anonimasu> hehe
[00:30:25] <anonimasu> it's insane :P
[00:33:02] <anonimasu> if my machine could do 1/10th i'd be happy :p
[00:33:17] <jmkasunich> mcmaster has 5/16" ID, 1/2" OD, abec-7 ball bearings rated 39000 RPM, for $15.81
[00:33:39] <anonimasu> ^_^
[00:33:44] <jmkasunich> not angular contact, but for the tail end of the shaft, I'd just apply a light axial preload with a spring
[00:33:53] <SkullWorks_PGAB> one you have used top quality high speed iron it really does spoil you.
[00:34:07] <anonimasu> I havent :/
[00:34:12] <anonimasu> I have old slow iron
[00:34:36] <anonimasu> with a spindle speeder it'd rock :p
[00:34:52] <anonimasu> but selling your leg for one dosent quite cut it.
[00:35:36] <jmkasunich> ah, walking is overrated anyway
[00:35:41] <anonimasu> lol
[00:35:48] <anonimasu> yeah kidneys too :p
[00:36:10] <jmkasunich> hey, you got two
[00:36:13] <anonimasu> spindle speeders just cost 10k or so
[00:37:29] <anonimasu> http://www.nskamericacorp.com/prod_machineTool_hes.aspx
[00:37:32] <anonimasu> hm interesting
[00:38:00] <anonimasu> $$$ -_-
[00:38:31] <SkullWorks_PGAB> Well I got to spend OPM (other peoples money) back before 9/11 before the economy to a dump and the last machine I bought for the company was a Mori Seiki SV50B 40"x20"x20" 30 tool ATC, 10,000 rpm 30HP spindle 9,2 hp servos with 1250 IPM rapids. - Scared the crap out of me until I got used to that speed.
[00:38:55] <jmkasunich> must be nice
[00:39:01] <jmkasunich> I'm stuck spending MOM
[00:39:12] <SkullWorks_PGAB> yeah it is/was
[00:39:15] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[00:39:16] <anonimasu> me too
[00:39:48] <SkullWorks_PGAB> I don't work there anymore but I can still visit and use the toys if they are not running a job.
[00:40:32] <anonimasu> night
[00:40:34] <anonimasu> :)
[00:41:08] <SkullWorks_PGAB> Now 80% is lathe work, 10% milling and 10% robot programing/debuging
[00:42:19] <SkullWorks_PGAB> company assumes you can get 1 part per minute per machining cell
[00:43:06] <SkullWorks_PGAB> no margin for PM or other down time
[00:44:19] <SkullWorks_PGAB> and they wonder why they are always behind - the people doing scheduling have no clue about machining.
[00:49:28] <toastydeath> lol
[01:41:10] <K`zan> Been a long past couple, three days and I am *fried* gonna call it a day and rest some, getting grouchy which simply will not do :).
[01:41:13] <K`zan> Night all
[02:30:38] <eric_U> matlab refuses to play back my signal
[02:30:44] <eric_U> over my audio
[02:34:39] <toastydeath> WE GET SIGNAL
[02:35:05] <eric_U> anyone watch BSG?
[02:35:18] <eric_U> all along the watchtower? what's up wit that?
[02:40:36] <eric_U> turns out that blindly taking the fft of a signal does not always yield interesting information
[02:41:20] <toastydeath> maybe it will be more interesting after a few drinks?
[02:41:30] <eric_U> not likely
[02:42:56] <eric_U> but I would be more depressed about it
[04:34:00] <SkullWorks_PGAB> My roof is done - I'll drink to that!
[04:35:09] <SkullWorks_PGAB> they didn't finish until 22:10 - I was ready to kick them out before someone called the cops
[04:36:22] <SkullWorks_PGAB> I'm scared to tally up the receipts.
[10:40:33] <dwery> any one can suggest a complete (steppers + mechanics) cnc kit for a machine like the proxxon MF70?
[10:49:52] <archivist> dwery, google found http://www.kdntool.com/_sgg/m1m4_1.htm
[10:52:29] <dwery> archivist: thanks! the funny thing is that I saw that page this night.. and I can't remember why i discarded it! Guess I must sleep more..
[10:52:54] <archivist> or make your own
[10:54:00] <dwery> I need a fast path into emc and CNCs.. buying one that's ready made it's probably savvier
[10:54:01] <dwery> :)
[12:08:36] <Sweeper> what kind of cycle time should I be looking for in motor transistors?
[12:45:16] <jepler> the rise time plus the fall time (Tr + Tf) should be small compared to the carrier frequency of the PWM signal used to drive them.
[12:46:58] <jepler> For instance, if you're using a 20kHz PWM signal with 10% output, that's a "1" for 2500ns then a "0" for 47500ns. If the transistor is slow to turn on compared to 2500ns, then you "lose" a lot of the time you wanted the transistor to be conducting.
[14:51:13] <BigJohnT> tink tink
[14:52:13] <rayh> Up here, "t'ink" is a local way of saying think.
[14:52:22] <rayh> Hi BigJohnT
[15:00:24] <BigJohnT> hi I didn't know if this new turboirc was working
[15:01:04] <cradek> turbo? you seem about the same speed as the rest of us
[15:01:17] <BigJohnT> new pc here at the shop
[15:01:25] <BigJohnT> quad core 6600
[15:03:17] <BigJohnT> last week I found out my $200 video card won't work with Solidworks
[15:03:41] <BigJohnT> today I have a $500 video card to install
[15:10:14] <rayh> wah. that's more than I spend for a whole setup.
[15:14:03] <BigJohnT> I was shocked at the prices of some of the "CAD" video cards > 2k
[15:16:58] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: hi
[15:17:16] <alex_joni> I commited a fix for the halui problem you reported a while ago
[15:17:27] <alex_joni> can you test and verify it works as you expect it ?
[15:17:30] <BigJohnT> hi Alex
[15:18:03] <BigJohnT> I have not got the download thing working yet
[15:18:41] <BigJohnT> and for a few days the linux computer is in my shop with no internet ...
[15:19:44] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: do you even have emc2 from CVS set up on it?
[15:20:05] <BigJohnT> nope
[15:20:05] <alex_joni> if not, it's going to be a while till an update is available
[15:20:12] <alex_joni> hmm.. ok, then
[15:22:17] <BigJohnT> i'll try to get the cvs when I bring the linux computer down to the beer cave
[15:22:36] <alex_joni> only if you feel like it...
[15:24:25] <BigJohnT> I want to
[16:07:25] <BigJohnT> oh, and my plasma touch probe works well
[16:08:18] <BigJohnT> does an Onn sub ... Onn endsub have to be before the Onn call?
[16:08:50] <cradek> yes I think so
[16:09:15] <BigJohnT> ok, that's how I managed to get it to work...
[16:10:00] <BigJohnT> but at first I assumed it went last...
[16:10:30] <rayh> Yea I think Fanuc puts the macros at the end.
[16:11:08] <BigJohnT> won't 2.3 be able to open a file?
[16:11:36] <rayh> file??
[16:11:53] <BigJohnT> O<myfile> or something like tat
[16:11:55] <BigJohnT> that
[16:12:14] <rayh> oh the fanuc O word.
[16:12:28] <rayh> i don't know if that's a feature or not.
[16:13:22] <BigJohnT> I thought I remember some chatter about that...
[16:14:04] <BigJohnT> bbl lunch calls
[17:53:55] <tomp2> any recommendations for linear slides? ( the extruded bodies with leadscrews and motor mounts )
[17:58:15] <fenn> tomp2: bigjohnt likes frameworld (because its cheap)
[18:00:13] <fenn> i guess you knew that already..
[18:01:08] <tomp2> no, i didnt, thx ( tho i had heard of them)
[18:12:00] <tomp2> ok, so any recommendations for 'linear actuator' ? ( the extruded bodies with leadscrews and motor mounts )
[18:12:10] <tomp2> (gotta have the right buzzword :)
[18:12:40] <tomp2> eg: http://www.orientalmotor.com/products/rotary-linear-actuators/index.htm?gclid=CP-lr-Hf7JICFRITIgodmy8gxQ
[19:37:41] <K`zan> G'day all, got some rest and feel MUCH better :).
[19:53:47] <Be_identitycrisi> hello - does anyone feel like helping me debug a new installation? I'm getting an error stating "ini variable not found" in core_stepper
[19:54:08] <alex_joni> Be_identitycrisi: can you pastebin the hal file?
[19:54:24] <Be_identitycrisi> problem is, the line it references, 44, is a comment...
[19:54:34] <Be_identitycrisi> yeah, think so
[19:54:51] <alex_joni> are you sure you're looking at the right file?
[19:55:31] <Be_identitycrisi> actually, it's available on the probotix site, here: http://www.probotix.com/downloads/pbx.ini and here: http://www.probotix.com/downloads/pbx_pinout.hal
[19:55:43] <Be_identitycrisi> I assume the core_stepper is a default
[19:56:19] <Be_identitycrisi> no, I'm not really sure I'm looking at the right file. I opened the default stepper config, told it to put a copy in my home and dropped in the probotix files.
[19:56:54] <alex_joni> can you paste the exact error?
[19:57:31] <Be_identitycrisi> core_stepper.hal:44 Ini variable not found
[19:58:04] <Be_identitycrisi> there is also a number hanging out there: 6306. not sure what it belongs to
[19:58:22] <alex_joni> that's close to [AXIS_0]SCALE
[19:58:47] <alex_joni> try changing INPUT_SCALE in the pbx.ini to SCALE
[19:59:16] <Be_identitycrisi> ok, one moment
[19:59:17] <alex_joni> (it feelis like the probotix guys did the config for an older emc2 version, and you're trying to run it on a newer config)
[20:01:03] <Be_identitycrisi> well, that made a difference. Axis loads now
[20:01:49] <Be_identitycrisi> now Axis comes up with RTAPI: ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay on task 1
[20:02:00] <Be_identitycrisi> is that something I can RTFM or Google?
[20:02:08] <alex_joni> yup, that means you have a problem with your RT system
[20:02:19] <alex_joni> try increasing BASE_PERIOD in your ini
[20:02:36] <alex_joni> hmm.. it's 40000, that's quite large
[20:02:49] <alex_joni> close emc, and run 'latency-test' from a terminal
[20:03:11] <Be_identitycrisi> ok
[20:03:29] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting#Unexpected_realtime_delay_check_dmesg_for_details
[20:03:43] <Be_identitycrisi> btw, I used the live disc to install
[20:06:22] <Be_identitycrisi> also, I can jog the steppers now from Axis. (slow, but they move)
[20:06:41] <Be_identitycrisi> I'm reading the wiki page now, just thought that might be a clue
[20:06:43] <alex_joni> Be_identitycrisi: good
[20:06:53] <alex_joni> you can increase the speed by moving the sliders
[20:55:06] <fabio> Good evening...
[20:55:13] <alex_joni> 'lo
[20:55:46] <fabio> Alex - I don't know if you remember me
[20:55:59] <micges> hi alex
[20:56:11] <fabio> I wrote to you from Brazil asking some questions regarding translations...
[20:56:48] <alex_joni> fabio: could be ;)
[20:57:04] <fabio> Ok - sorry onnoying you all
[20:57:14] <alex_joni> as someone once said.. my memory is very good, just short
[20:57:34] <alex_joni> fabio: no problem.. just ask if you need anything :)
[20:57:38] <fabio> it's a fist time heme, and I don't know if i'm doing something wrong
[20:57:43] <fabio> Ok
[20:58:42] <fabio> The problem is that when I try to mill a simple squade (on a router) if i use let's say 1000 mm/mim feed rate
[20:58:50] <fabio> the square is OK
[20:59:08] <fabio> but if I speed up to 3000, the corners became round
[20:59:16] <alex_joni> G64 P0.01
[20:59:42] <fabio> G4 P0.01 ?
[20:59:52] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TrajectoryControl
[20:59:58] <fabio> will see the manual for this...
[21:00:41] <alex_joni> G64 Px.xx sets a tolerance how far it can travel from the corner
[21:01:46] <fabio> Ok - will read manual for this
[21:01:57] <fabio> another question
[21:02:36] <fabio> I tryed to create a button to send all actice axis to zero (like G00 x0 y0 z0)
[21:02:59] <fabio> buit stuk in some error cwhen creating a halui pin
[21:03:17] <alex_joni> how did you try?
[21:03:47] <fabio> I tryed to use the example in the wiki page
[21:03:52] <alex_joni> you can add halui MDI command to the ini file, and link halui.mdi-command00 or something like that
[21:04:08] <alex_joni> fabio: if you have the error.. I might be able to help
[21:04:24] <fabio> yes - i did that but i'm receiving an error message
[21:04:45] <fabio> I'm turning on the PC to post error msg to you
[21:04:49] <alex_joni> ok
[21:04:56] <fabio> one minut
[21:05:00] <fabio> minute
[21:08:02] <fabio> Alex - regarding G64 P0.01 - I'm working with milimeters - is there OK?
[21:08:39] <alex_joni> it will mean it stays about 0.01 mm from the corner
[21:08:50] <alex_joni> if you are happy with 0.1mm then you can use G64 P0.1
[21:08:54] <fabio> OK - now I understand...
[21:09:10] <alex_joni> but I don't know what you are making.. so I'm not sure what a good value is for you
[21:09:30] <fabio> No problem - i'll test the best for my needs
[21:10:19] <fabio> now regardind a auxiliary MDI button
[21:10:38] <fabio> I'm finnishing to open all files to say what I done
[21:10:54] <alex_joni> maybe it's faster if you run it, and tell me the error
[21:11:22] <fabio> sure, but I need to edit again to reproduce error
[21:13:51] <fabio> Ok - the error is:
[21:14:33] <fabio> custom_postgui.hal:8 pin 'halui.mdi-command-00' does not exist
[21:14:47] <alex_joni> did you enable halui?
[21:14:57] <alex_joni> [HAL]HALUI = halui ?
[21:15:02] <fabio> yes
[21:15:07] <fabio> in the INI file...
[21:15:21] <alex_joni> try commenting the line in custom_postgui.hal
[21:15:24] <alex_joni> and run emc
[21:15:53] <fabio> can you point me some direction on hot to connect that line?
[21:16:01] <fabio> I'm net to all of this
[21:16:11] <alex_joni> put a "#" in front of the line
[21:16:17] <fabio> Ok
[21:16:20] <alex_joni> the it won't get loaded
[21:16:26] <fabio> only to say what I done
[21:16:30] <fabio> i wrote
[21:17:05] <fabio> net remote-rapid-home halui.mdi-command-00 <= pyvcp.rapid-to-home
[21:17:14] <fabio> Ill comment this line now
[21:17:14] <alex_joni> that seems ok
[21:17:20] <alex_joni> ok
[21:18:04] <fabio> Ok - now the program opens, but the button do nothing
[21:18:08] <alex_joni> did you put [HALUI]MDI_COMMAND = G0 x0y0z0 in the ini?
[21:18:18] <fabio> yes
[21:18:20] <alex_joni> fabio: of course it does nothing.. that's why we disabled it
[21:18:32] <alex_joni> open a terminal
[21:18:32] <fabio> ok
[21:18:35] <fabio> ok
[21:18:44] <alex_joni> and type "halcmd show pin halui"
[21:19:21] <alex_joni> look for mdi-command pins
[21:20:19] <fabio> I found only halui.mode.mdi
[21:20:21] <fabio> false
[21:20:33] <alex_joni> ok, so probably it didn't see the MDI_COMMAND in the ini
[21:20:48] <alex_joni> only thing I can think of.. is check your ini file again?
[21:21:25] <fabio> ok
[21:21:35] <fabio> my ini file is like this:
[21:21:42] <fabio> [HAL]
[21:21:56] <fabio> HALFILE=Smile.hal
[21:22:05] <alex_joni> MDI_COMMAND needs to be in [HALUI] not [HAL]
[21:22:42] <fabio> sorry - you say halui section?
[21:22:52] <alex_joni> yes
[21:22:54] <fabio> [HALUI]
[21:22:56] <alex_joni> you need to add that
[21:23:09] <fabio> can I create one?
[21:23:13] <alex_joni> sure
[21:23:16] <fabio> Ok
[21:23:21] <alex_joni> you have the mighty power
[21:24:13] <fabio> hehehehe
[21:24:45] <fabio> nope - the same error
[21:25:08] <alex_joni> close emc2
[21:25:09] <fabio> maybe my power is not that powerfull
[21:25:16] <alex_joni> and from the terminal type "emc"
[21:25:26] <alex_joni> and do it again
[21:26:11] <fabio> the same error
[21:26:16] <alex_joni> if MDI_COMMAND is where it should be, you should see 'halui found mdi command: ..'
[21:26:30] <fabio> the program don't opens
[21:26:56] <fabio> I created a new section inside INI file named HALUI
[21:26:56] <alex_joni> did you leave the '#' in the custom_postgui.hal ?
[21:27:11] <fabio> no
[21:27:27] <fabio> should I leave the # there?
[21:27:36] <alex_joni> you should, until you see the halui.mdi-command-00 pin
[21:27:43] <alex_joni> can you put the ini file on pastebin?
[21:28:29] <fabio> it's fist time I use this channel
[21:28:40] <fabio> where I find pastebin?
[21:28:46] <alex_joni> www.pastebin.ca
[21:30:05] <fabio> should I send INi and hal files?
[21:30:28] <alex_joni> only ini
[21:30:35] <fabio> ok
[21:30:39] <fabio> just a minute
[21:32:54] <fabio> the file or just the content?
[21:32:58] <alex_joni> content
[21:33:04] <fabio> ok
[21:35:07] <fabio> http://www.pastebin.ca/992513
[21:35:49] <alex_joni> HALUI=halui needs to be in [HAL]
[21:35:59] <alex_joni> only the MDI_COMMAND needs to be in [HALUI]
[21:36:16] <fabio> Ok - all change now
[21:37:59] <fabio> Ok - now worked fine
[21:38:05] <alex_joni> good
[21:38:11] <fabio> maybe you have the power...
[21:38:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:38:12] <fabio> not me
[21:38:20] <alex_joni> fabio: you'll get there ;)
[21:38:24] <alex_joni> good night all
[21:38:31] <micges> night alex
[21:38:33] <fabio> Ok thnks a lot
[21:38:46] <fabio> I'll drink one beer for you!
[21:38:55] <fabio> good night
[21:39:38] <dmess> did some one say beer
[22:11:11] <tomp2> i just built a hole-popper ( edm drill ) as an add on to a std. sinker. worked great! fun :)
[22:12:01] <tomp2> i wanted to make sure the stock spark generator worked ok. got 1/2 deep .016" dia hole with <.05" wear on tube.
[22:12:27] <tomp2> (thats good :)