#emc | Logs for 2008-02-17

[00:00:35] <BigJohnT> hmmm, still can't see the files in the file browser...
[00:01:48] <eric_U> I'm trying to download java jdk from IBM, and their registration process isn't working
[00:17:32] <alex_joni> good night all
[00:17:40] <skunkworks_> night alex
[00:17:45] <Unit41> and to all a night good
[00:18:53] <Unit41> what smells like smoke are you burning something ?
[00:18:59] <Unit41> oh nm thats me
[00:19:56] <Unit41> someone light a fire under my ass
[00:31:55] <DanielFalck> click, click....(lighter)
[00:32:31] <BigJohnT> hi Dan
[00:32:51] <DanielFalck> hi John
[00:32:55] <DanielFalck> how's it going?
[00:33:24] <BigJohnT> pulling my hair out
[00:33:32] <DanielFalck> why?
[00:33:47] <BigJohnT> I got a cd that I can't seem to see the all the files on
[00:34:08] <BigJohnT> the cd is owned by root, I've tried every way I can think of to do it
[00:34:20] <BigJohnT> it has Dev-C++ on it
[00:34:33] <DanielFalck> how was it generated?
[00:34:50] <BigJohnT> came with a book on C++
[00:35:40] <BigJohnT> I even copied it to my windoz box and used the network to copy it to my LInux machine...
[00:36:08] <DanielFalck> you can't access it, even then?
[00:36:54] <BigJohnT> I can see some files but not the Dev-C++ install file.
[00:37:16] <DanielFalck> is it a Windows executable?
[00:37:18] <BigJohnT> when i copied it from my windoz box it won't execute it
[00:37:25] <BigJohnT> it must be
[00:37:31] <DanielFalck> did you try wine?
[00:37:58] <BigJohnT> no
[00:38:22] <DanielFalck> if it's an *.exe , you might want to try wine then
[00:38:32] <DanielFalck> I'm using wine pretty successfully here
[00:38:43] <BigJohnT> crap, on page 395 it says it is a windoz file
[00:38:46] <DanielFalck> running autocad, vectorcam, etc...
[00:39:12] <BigJohnT> I have to go and download the linux one...
[00:39:49] <DanielFalck> if it's an exe just to uncompress the the files, then it should be easy enough for wine
[00:39:56] <BigJohnT> anyhow did you look at the truetype-tracer file?
[00:40:10] <DanielFalck> I've used ttt before. it's great
[00:40:27] <DanielFalck> are you writing a tkinter gui for it?
[00:40:31] <BigJohnT> I want to add some funtionalily to it
[00:40:47] <BigJohnT> like where to place the letters and what size
[00:40:57] <BigJohnT> so I'm brushing up on C++
[00:41:08] <DanielFalck> you can set the size in the g-code globally
[00:41:28] <DanielFalck> but yes, to add that at the gui would be cool
[00:41:33] <BigJohnT> yes, I see that but I have no idea what scale is what...
[00:41:52] <BigJohnT> I might port it to python dunno at this point
[00:43:05] <BigJohnT> in python the GUI would be easy for me...
[00:46:00] <hammerschlag> DanielFalck:is wine part of ubuntu,or does it have to be added?
[00:46:17] <DanielFalck> you can add it by using synaptic
[00:46:20] <DanielFalck> or apt-get
[00:47:36] <hammerschlag> k,will check into that,did you ever do anything with the tlo program i pasted awhile back
[00:47:54] <DanielFalck> I got side tracked a bit
[00:48:00] <Unit41>
[00:48:05] <DanielFalck> did you do any more with it?
[00:48:43] <DanielFalck> I had fun playing with python interacting with emc though
[00:49:26] <hammerschlag> no,its being used full time in a machine shop environment however,and on my mill,and on the trade school mill
[00:49:35] <DanielFalck> nice
[00:50:04] <hammerschlag> you gonna be at the fest this year?
[00:50:07] <BigJohnT> hammerschlag: what program is that?
[00:50:25] <DanielFalck> hammerschlag: I won't be able to make it. Wish I could
[00:50:53] <hammerschlag> a program that writes your z axis position to the tool table
[00:51:05] <BigJohnT> cool
[00:51:16] <hammerschlag> i can post it if you wanna play with it
[00:51:24] <DanielFalck> please do that
[00:51:43] <DanielFalck> there are a bunch of python bindings to emc that you would be interested in BigJohnT
[00:52:07] <BigJohnT> where?
[00:52:40] <hammerschlag> http://pastebin.ca/906835
[00:52:44] <DanielFalck> I need to dig a bit, but hammerschlag (jljvm) has some of it in his code
[00:52:51] <DanielFalck> thanks
[00:53:43] <DanielFalck> import emc
[00:54:02] <DanielFalck> then the stuff like s= emc.stat()
[00:54:06] <DanielFalck> s.poll()
[00:54:13] <DanielFalck> s.position()
[00:54:22] <DanielFalck> or I mean s.position[2]
[00:58:11] <BigJohnT> I'm guessing you need to run this from EMC?
[00:58:40] <DanielFalck> no, you can have emc running and then issue the commands from a seperate python process
[00:58:57] <DanielFalck> somewhere, I have some notes and I can't seem to find them
[00:59:47] <hammerschlag> i just made a launcher in my lower toolbar,position z axis,fire up tlo9,enter tool number,press enter
[01:00:46] <hammerschlag> also an option for diameter and gauge block height also
[01:01:50] <BigJohnT> hmmm, I get an error on line 19 s.poll()
[01:03:15] <BigJohnT> I think it is because the configuration is hard coded...
[01:05:11] <hammerschlag> hmm,its working here,im running 2.2.3
[01:06:43] <BigJohnT> I'll have to look at it later, the dinner bell rang and I'm never late for dinner except when I drink too much...
[01:07:19] <hammerschlag> have a good 1
[01:07:20] <SkinnypuppY34> I'm no programmer by any means but figured .#3=0.0003125 (Scale) in TTF output =1 inch text height
[01:07:45] <BigJohnT> sweet!
[01:08:02] <BigJohnT> did you try different fonts?
[01:08:28] <SkinnypuppY34> Just finished dinner , looked through folders at the .ttf examples
[01:08:33] <BigJohnT> is that for the capitol letters of the default font?
[01:08:45] <BigJohnT> cool
[01:08:48] <SkinnypuppY34> Yep capital letters
[01:09:00] <BigJohnT> ok
[01:09:11] <SkinnypuppY34> For the default output anyway
[01:09:22] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT hears the dinner bell again, it never rings more than twice...
[01:09:31] <BigJohnT> bbl
[01:09:34] <hammerschlag> DanielFalck:do you think mastercam or surfcam would run in wine?
[01:10:12] <DanielFalck> I don't know anything about how a dongle would work with wine, so I couldn't tell you
[01:10:19] <hammerschlag> k
[01:10:38] <SkinnypuppY34> I run MC X in a virtual machine
[01:10:47] <hammerschlag> really
[01:10:54] <DanielFalck> but I have autocad2000, rhino3d sp2, vectorcam9.3, intellicad2000, progesoft v8 running under winde
[01:10:57] <DanielFalck> wine
[01:11:10] <DanielFalck> are you using qemu?
[01:11:34] <hammerschlag> dont know what that is
[01:11:46] <DanielFalck> then what are you using for the vm?
[01:11:53] <SkinnypuppY34> VMWare Server , XP virtual machine My box has only 1gig memory and does well
[01:14:01] <hammerschlag> SkinnypuppY34:did you get your mill going,havent talked to ya in a while
[01:14:07] <SkinnypuppY34> Daniel have you not used VMWare Server ? It's super simple and saves open sessions
[01:14:42] <DanielFalck> no, haven't tried it. I have used qemu , which is a vm
[01:14:45] <SkinnypuppY34> I have been using X and Y with steppers , Keep loosing auctions on a ballscrew to drive the spindle Z ...
[01:15:35] <SkinnypuppY34> I had tried qemu and VM's built and ran fine but MC just would not install onto a qemu XP machine, I forget the error
[01:16:02] <DanielFalck> do you have to run a dongle?
[01:17:01] <SkinnypuppY34> I have a version that came with a book that doesn't do g-code out so not certain what it would do with a dongle though the VM does do usb printer fine
[02:18:34] <fenn> jepler: there's no character width info. i'm just going to find the max of all the endpoints and call it that, arcs be damned
[02:52:35] <jepler> fenn: ah, that's terrible!
[02:53:02] <jepler> (I mean, that there's no width info.. If your simple approach to finding width works, I'm not going to fault it)
[02:53:02] <fenn> eh its not that bad
[02:53:22] <fenn> i do wonder why the # sign is off so much
[02:57:46] <fenn> how's the er.. mini-fest?
[03:07:20] <jepler> Chris and John are doing stuff with an encoder+scale machine that they couldn't otherwise do
[03:07:33] <jepler> steve and I are doing the same things we could do any day but don't
[03:07:46] <jepler> it is nice to see stuart's shop, and he's taking pretty good care of us..
[03:18:48] <jepler> there's a recent bug concerning offsets in effect at emc startup that has us scratching our heads...
[03:20:12] <fenn> a different one from what i was talking about earlier?
[03:20:36] <jepler> no, it could be the same one
[03:21:00] <fenn> i think your analysis made sense
[03:21:36] <jepler> well -- I may have opened up a separate can of worms from the one you actually encountered.
[03:22:29] <jepler> in the case of the bug I'm talking about, when emc starts and the G54 offset is nonzero, the interpreter is using the offset if you MDI or run the program, but the DRO in axis shows the coordinates without the offset applied
[03:23:10] <jepler> the stat buffer seems not to reflect the offset
[03:26:25] <gezar> im sorta getting good at this c++ stuff
[03:26:43] <gezar> however im going to fail my next math test :(
[03:41:36] <jepler> john and chris have some positive results on rotary encoder + linear scale PID, so now we're breaking for dinner and probably for the night
[03:41:46] <jepler> one of them'll explain it sometime, it's over my head
[04:46:43] <SkinnypuppY34> http://imagebin.org/14062
[04:51:50] <eric_U> what kinda mill is that?
[04:52:18] <SkinnypuppY34> Enco BP
[04:52:53] <eric_U> truetype tracer output?
[04:53:47] <SkinnypuppY34> yep cut with a #1 center drill
[04:54:15] <eric_U> I'm frustrated right now, one of my drives is acting up
[04:54:54] <eric_U> flashing red led on a drive that only has a green/orange led according to the manual
[04:55:05] <SkinnypuppY34> Sounds like fun ... Im just glad its warmer
[04:55:25] <SkinnypuppY34> what drives are you using ?
[04:55:29] <eric_U> where you at, it isn't warmer here
[04:55:34] <SkinnypuppY34> Georgia
[04:55:36] <eric_U> ah
[04:55:53] <eric_U> I'm using electrocraft ddm brushless
[04:56:46] <SkinnypuppY34> I've only used geckos, haven't had much shop time lately either
[05:02:39] <fenn> SkinnypuppY34: aww you arent gonna try my new font script?
[05:02:47] <SkinnypuppY34> I hope I win this ballscrew on ebay in two days for the quill , been just using xy steppers with manual z
[05:02:57] <eric_U> what does your script do?
[05:02:59] <SkinnypuppY34> Did I miss something fenn ?
[05:03:28] <fenn> it traces .cxf fonts, many of which are single-line so you can cut the actual letter
[05:03:56] <fenn> http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/cxf2g-scripts.png
[05:04:03] <SkinnypuppY34> I haven't been keeping up with the list daily lately
[05:04:28] <SkinnypuppY34> Thats pretty cool fenn ! ! !
[05:04:36] <eric_U> cxf is from geda?
[05:04:50] <fenn> from qcad, though i believe many of them are hershey fonts
[05:05:05] <fenn> here's the script http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/cxf2cnc.py
[05:05:26] <fenn> and the fonts http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/cxf_fonts.tgz
[05:05:59] <fenn> the spacing between letters is not right yet
[05:06:03] <eric_U> I'll have to try it
[05:07:22] <SkinnypuppY34> Cool fenn I'll check those out too !
[05:07:27] <SkinnypuppY34> Thanks
[05:08:42] <SkinnypuppY34> Perhaps I should install qcad
[05:30:30] <SkinnypuppY34> Cool Fenn !!! http://imagebin.org/14064
[05:49:11] <cradek> you showoff with the working wireless
[06:00:42] <JymmmEMC> lol
[06:01:28] <JymmmEMC> Do I detect a lil 802.11 jealousy?
[06:05:33] <eric_U> I hope that drive has a fuse on the power section, I had a wire come loose
[06:30:07] <JymmmEMC> Under 2.2 isn't there a gui rt test?
[06:32:46] <fenn> sorta. there's a script called latency-test that does the same thing as the rtai latency test suite, but gets different answers..
[06:33:04] <JymmmEMC> ah
[06:33:31] <JymmmEMC> I got a VIA VB7001g mobo tonight (it's a uATX board), want to test it out
[06:36:08] <fenn> you know about the rtai live cd right?
[06:37:12] <JymmmEMC> 18348 ovl max so far
[06:37:30] <JymmmEMC> I'm using the emc 2.2 live cd
[06:40:41] <JymmmEMC> Well, the RT Test + GLXGears bug still exists =) heh
[06:41:10] <JymmmEMC> Crashes X like a 737 with have it's wings gone!
[06:41:15] <JymmmEMC> half
[06:43:46] <eric_U> how about a C-130 with it's wings gone?
[06:44:26] <fenn> how about like a f-16 with half its wings gone?
[06:45:00] <eric_U> doesn't work with an f-16, f15 can fly without one wing
[06:45:04] <eric_U> some guy did it
[06:45:24] <fenn> ah yes an f-15
[06:57:44] <JymmmEMC> could someone post this to the wiki http://pastebin.ca/907104
[07:02:44] <JymmmEMC> FUCKED UP RESULTS 5 minutes later... http://pastebin.ca/907108 Could someone post these to the wiki for motherboard test results - it always screws up when I try.
[07:16:56] <fenn> you could plot the results and see how long between monster latencies
[07:17:07] <fenn> and try to correlate them with something
[07:17:40] <eric_U> wonder if that board has something like the smb?
[07:18:24] <eric_U> don't know why intel didn't do a better job with that interrupt
[07:18:53] <eric_U> oh, let's have our system management take many milliseconds to complete an interrupt, nobody will mind
[07:20:16] <eric_U> one event if I'm reading it right
[07:31:02] <fenn> cradek: http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/acronyms.html
[12:17:05] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: even the first ones were bad
[12:17:18] <alex_joni> you don't want *any* overruns on a RT machine
[12:17:48] <alex_joni> (might try to see if there's a SMI you can disable on that machine..)
[12:18:14] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FixingDapperSMIIssues
[12:42:03] <BigJohnT> what directory do you normally put a shell script file in ubuntu 6?
[13:04:29] <BigJohnT> looks like /bin
[13:06:23] <BigJohnT> yea, I compiled my first c++ program!
[13:06:35] <quiteBIGeye> hurray for U :)
[13:10:36] <Vq^> to bad it probably isn't the last as well :P
[13:13:20] <BigJohnT> LOL no I'm pretty sure it won't be my last
[15:12:34] <DanielFalck> BigJohnT: good morning
[15:51:31] <BigJohnT> hi DanielFalck
[15:52:46] <DanielFalck> BigJohnT: what are you working on?
[15:53:03] <BigJohnT> changing the oil on my wifes 1/2 car
[15:53:10] <BigJohnT> it's a Yaris
[15:54:24] <BigJohnT> and looking for a font picker in python
[15:54:44] <DanielFalck> font picker?
[15:55:17] <BigJohnT> something that gets a list of fonts installed on your computer and you can pick one
[16:43:38] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Does it matter if it's a VIA board w/ via chipset?
[16:45:16] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: I was using the livecd 2.2, is SMI disabled on 2.2.2 liveCD ?
[16:50:03] <skunkworks_> I don't think so
[16:50:08] <skunkworks_> the link alex_joni sent shows how
[16:51:56] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: I dont' even have a hdd connected =)
[16:52:09] <skunkworks_> I have tested some via chipset motherboards with no problems. Mainly the most common issue tha I have run across is the onboard shared memory vidoe cards
[16:52:55] <skunkworks_> and lately 'power saving' setting in the bios
[16:53:16] <JymmmEMC> Oh, I forgot about them
[16:54:30] <skunkworks_> time to go play with natural gas. wish me luck
[16:54:47] <JymmmEMC> ?
[16:54:54] <JymmmEMC> morning ritual?
[16:55:02] <skunkworks_> no - new range
[16:55:16] <JymmmEMC> dont forget the soap
[16:55:21] <skunkworks_> already took care of that :)
[16:55:25] <skunkworks_> yep
[16:55:54] <JymmmEMC> Gawd, I WISH I had a gas range, fscking electric POS
[16:56:09] <JymmmEMC> well gas stove at least
[16:56:30] <dave_1> weed burner?
[16:56:59] <JymmmEMC> dave_1: was that to me or skunkworks_?
[16:57:02] <skunkworks_> our old stove was electric
[16:57:15] <dave_1> to jymmmemc
[16:57:27] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: You'll love gas!
[16:57:36] <skunkworks_> this is 'dual fuel' - gas top - electric oven
[16:57:37] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: Goes it have a grill too?
[16:57:54] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: You know I think that works kinda well, convection oven?
[16:58:05] <JymmmEMC> with a fan inside it
[16:58:13] <skunkworks_> yes - that is what I read. more consistant
[16:58:19] <dave_1> gas top electric oven is the way to go ... or better yet convection oven
[16:58:37] <JymmmEMC> no hot spots in a convection oven
[16:58:40] <jlmjvm> JymmmEMC:I have 2 different mills running with a via chipset,also have another on the way from newegg as we speak
[16:58:56] <JymmmEMC> jlmjvm: which board?
[16:59:17] <JymmmEMC> This is what I bought last night: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=490
[16:59:28] <jlmjvm> lemme get the link from newegg
[16:59:57] <JymmmEMC> While it says it has a paraport, the fucking board only has the holes and is missing the header pins
[17:00:59] <jlmjvm> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130064
[17:03:14] <dave_1> certainly not a lot of $$
[17:03:37] <anonimasu> why not order a connector?
[17:04:18] <JymmmEMC> anonimasu: There is no pins on the board to connect to, I'd have to break out the soldering iron
[17:04:36] <anonimasu> jymm: Yes, that was what I implied..
[17:05:05] <JymmmEMC> anonimasu: I didn't see any mention of paraport in the BIOS, so I'm a bit leary.
[17:05:19] <anonimasu> oh :/
[17:06:12] <jlmjvm> ordered the board,a 2.6gh single core cpu and 2gb of ddr2 800 for 153 bucks delivered,already have everything else for my secondary box
[17:06:25] <dave_1> the pic I'm looking at says parallel port/LPT ... so what am I missing?
[17:06:28] <JymmmEMC> But as far as that goes, I didn't see serial port either. Might need to update the BIOS.
[17:06:38] <JymmmEMC> dave_1: url?
[17:07:03] <dave_1> the one jymmm put up ... ends with 0064
[17:07:20] <dave_1> opps sorry jlmjvm put up
[17:09:04] <dave_1> don't know if the AM2 socket takes 32 bit AMD's ... but you can always run the 64 in 32 mode
[17:09:40] <JymmmEMC> I wanted a uATX board, then I can install it in the chassis with the rest of the controller.
[17:10:16] <JymmmEMC> I was planning on running it headless, then using a crossover cable and a laptop with remote GUI
[17:11:11] <JymmmEMC> http://www.zshare.net/image/76962152705cc8/
[17:11:16] <jlmjvm> just wanted to let ya know ive had good luck with via chipset
[17:12:36] <JymmmEMC> jlmjvm: Appreciate it, it's not chipset tha'ts usually the issue as much as the whole mobo combination
[17:12:54] <jlmjvm> what kinda mobo do you have
[17:13:16] <JymmmEMC> Ok, in this one the header holes are empty, in mine they're filled.... http://www.zshare.net/image/7729057d7b9238/
[17:13:46] <JymmmEMC> jlmjvm: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/downloads.jsp?motherboard_id=490#Image%20Kit
[17:16:32] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: you alive ?
[17:18:19] <SWPLinux> yes
[17:18:29] <SWPLinux> so, your board is shit, huh?
[17:18:50] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: Seems to be
[17:19:15] <SWPLinux> that's a bummer
[17:33:59] <eric_U> it has a connector for an sm bus
[17:34:36] <eric_U> so they probably took intel's approach of using a slow 8 bit processor to manage the system
[17:35:08] <SkullWorks_PGAB> notorious http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=13488
[17:35:49] <SkullWorks_PGAB> People trying to dream up new uses for there Asus EEE pc
[17:37:40] <anonimasu> hm..
[17:37:49] <anonimasu> why not feed a g101 with it?
[17:38:21] <anonimasu> err g100
[17:39:20] <eric_U> wonder what was going on with the 1800 overruns
[17:40:18] <lerneaen_hydra> O_o why do people always seem to want to have small, cute control systems for largeish machines
[17:40:38] <lerneaen_hydra> the amount of space a PC takes in a machine shop is nearly insignificant
[17:41:15] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:41:20] <anonimasu> I dont get it either
[17:41:23] <anonimasu> :p
[17:41:30] <anonimasu> if you have a space limit I can see it
[17:42:08] <SWPLinux> space inside a control cabinet is almost always limited
[17:42:23] <SWPLinux> even if space in the shop isn't
[17:42:23] <JymmmEMC> tell me about it
[17:42:31] <fenn> or if you have a small machine to control in a small shop
[17:42:32] <SWPLinux> get a full tower ;)
[17:43:34] <JymmmEMC> This is fscked that this mobo won't work, maybe I should go back and buy the intel mobo and see how it'll do
[17:43:44] <fenn> you should get a via m10000
[17:44:40] <JymmmEMC> fenn: The problem is that this is and the intel one are the inly uATX boards they have on the shelf, so if neihter work cna't easily return them.
[17:45:29] <fenn> if it doesn't work because it didnt come with a parport as advertised, how can they say you can't return it?
[17:45:30] <JymmmEMC> Sure, I could solder on header pins to this board, but still have the issue of not seeing anything in the BIOS paraport related.
[17:45:58] <JymmmEMC> fenn: no, no, I CAN return this board, that's why I buy retail instead of mail order.
[17:46:14] <anonimasu> jymm: did you google for adding a header?
[17:46:30] <JymmmEMC> anonimasu: It's not adding the header, it's the BIOs support.
[17:46:33] <JymmmEMC> BIOS
[17:48:45] <JymmmEMC> anonimasu: did you see the photo?
[17:48:58] <JymmmEMC> anonimasu: http://www.zshare.net/image/7729057d7b9238/
[17:49:27] <jlmjvm> i returned a bad mobo to newegg once and my money was cheerfully refunded,some retail shops in town here wont even do that,they want to give a store credit
[17:49:29] <JymmmEMC> Let me power it back on and see what bios ver it has, maybe I just overlooke dthe paraport settings in it.
[17:50:11] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, I dont even play that game. Fry's gives you 15 days.
[17:51:15] <jlmjvm> i hear ya,gotta have people that stand behind what they sell
[17:52:32] <anonimasu> jymm: Yes, but did you google for the same board?
[17:52:43] <anonimasu> JymmmEMC: you cant be the only person alive with that issue
[17:53:03] <JymmmEMC> anonimasu: Nothing at all, no mention of missing paraport headers. The board was just released in Jan
[17:57:07] <anonimasu> jymm: cute..
[17:57:10] <anonimasu> you should return i
[17:57:11] <anonimasu> t
[17:57:16] <anonimasu> and get a board with a parport
[18:01:31] <JymmmEMC> Since I dont need paraport on the back plane, having a header would have been awesome.
[18:02:16] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: Gawd this 1U PS is a noisey lil thing
[18:04:15] <SWPLinux> I think I mentioned it might be ;)
[18:04:22] <skunkworks_> whoo hoo - tap in the gas line without a hitch ;)
[18:04:27] <skunkworks_> Tee
[18:05:09] <skunkworks_> passed the soapy watertest
[18:05:54] <eric_U> I made the mistake of downloading a 64 bit version of some package
[18:06:13] <eric_U> uninstalled it, but it seems to have flipped some bit somewhere
[18:06:29] <eric_U> getting "64 bit version not supported" errors
[18:13:03] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: woohoo!
[18:13:45] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: Yes, yes you did. But did you really have to? LOL OH, does your uATX PS have a 12V plug as well?
[18:15:16] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: Output 12V (the 4pin molex), not input
[18:16:04] <JymmmEMC> Teh other bummer is that this via mobo has sata + ide, the intel uATX only has ide.
[18:20:26] <SWPLinux> the picoPSU I have does have 12V output, the ones that run on 12V just expect you to use the supply directly
[18:20:28] <SWPLinux> I think
[18:23:32] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: That's kinda strange due to one needing the correct molex plug
[18:23:59] <SWPLinux> they make the connection for you, but the power comes directly from the 12V supply
[18:24:26] <JymmmEMC> FEATURE REQUEST: Could someone add the RT Test as a script to the next build and and the script the the EMC menu as an option?
[18:24:38] <SWPLinux> no
[18:24:42] <eric_U> I'm getting some of those power supplies in the plug for my robot
[18:24:48] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: why not?
[18:24:55] <SWPLinux> because I said so!
[18:25:00] <fenn> rawr
[18:25:42] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: I know where to bury the bodies.
[18:26:00] <SWPLinux> actually, it should be adesktop icon when the liveCD boots, but not for the installed system
[18:26:04] <SWPLinux> a desktop
[18:26:30] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: No no I dont mean in the EMC gui menu option, just X menu option
[18:26:43] <SWPLinux> right - I know that
[18:26:49] <JymmmEMC> APPLICATIONS > EMC > RT TEST
[18:27:05] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: You're killing me!
[18:27:22] <SWPLinux> it should be very obvious on CD boot, but it shouldn't need to be all that obvious once the system is installed
[18:27:57] <JymmmEMC> I could care less on install, but it would be nice just in case someone missed it
[18:28:07] <SWPLinux> JymmmEMC: if you'd like to submit a .desktop file to add it to the menu, it could be included
[18:28:35] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: Do you REALLY want *ME* to create a script?
[18:28:54] <JymmmEMC> I think not
[18:29:04] <SWPLinux> not a script, a .desktop entry
[18:29:12] <JymmmEMC> wth is that?
[18:29:18] <SWPLinux> that shuold be all that's necessary for latency-test
[18:29:22] <SWPLinux> it's a menu entry
[18:29:47] <JymmmEMC> by the time you explain it to me you could of had it done and commited for the next build
[18:29:59] <SWPLinux> oh, I don't know how to do it
[18:30:10] <JymmmEMC> neither do I
[18:30:35] <SWPLinux> I think you could edit the menu and add an item, then look in your Desktop directory for the file
[18:30:41] <SWPLinux> ~/Desktop
[18:33:35] <JymmmEMC> Ok, how in the hell is cradek or jepler (can't remember which) is getting less than 8000 latency?!?!?! I've not been able to get that low on any system I've tried in the last 2 years.
[18:37:05] <JymmmEMC> Besides glxgears (due to the bug), what else can I use to test with for latency?
[18:37:37] <SWPLinux> you can do almost anything that stresses the system
[18:37:45] <SWPLinux> load openoffice
[18:37:54] <SWPLinux> run a browser
[18:37:56] <JymmmEMC> anything video related?
[18:38:00] <SWPLinux> drag large windoes around the screen
[18:38:03] <SWPLinux> windows
[18:38:13] <JymmmEMC> I'm running a browser already, dragged windows around the screen
[18:38:33] <SWPLinux> start programs, stop programs ...
[18:38:38] <SWPLinux> in general, do stuff :)
[18:39:25] <JymmmEMC> Wooops, there it is.... 218166 nS and overruns even with pwr mgnt (mostly) disabled. Ok this board is going back.
[18:40:12] <SWPLinux> is that latency-test or the RTAI kernel latency test?
[18:40:28] <SWPLinux> not that it matters much - 218 us is way too long
[18:40:31] <JymmmEMC> RT test from the wiki
[18:41:05] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: I never could find the gui test
[18:41:37] <SWPLinux> terminal, then "latency-test"
[18:42:04] <SWPLinux> it pops up a window - that's the extent of the "GUI-ness"
[18:45:23] <BigJohnT> DanielFaleck: you around?
[18:46:13] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: Yeah, found it, thanks. This really sucks... just can't find a board that performs well. Have you ?
[18:46:24] <JymmmEMC> has anyone for that matter?
[18:46:52] <SWPLinux> sure
[18:47:05] <SWPLinux> but not for $70 with CPU
[18:47:09] <JymmmEMC> <7500 nS ?
[18:47:26] <SWPLinux> sure, how about 200-500 ns?
[18:47:35] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: url?
[18:47:37] <SWPLinux> (but no parallel port)
[18:47:46] <JymmmEMC> asshole!
[18:47:47] <SWPLinux> and $800 or so total
[18:47:58] <SWPLinux> it has a PCI slot, so a mesa card fits nicely
[18:47:59] <JymmmEMC> you're talking USC or mesa
[18:48:02] <SWPLinux> yes
[18:48:12] <SWPLinux> not USC, that connects to a parport
[18:48:16] <JymmmEMC> I'm talking paraport or external paraport
[18:48:29] <SWPLinux> well you could get a PCI parport card
[18:48:35] <JymmmEMC> I have one
[18:48:36] <SWPLinux> I just used mesa instead
[18:48:53] <SWPLinux> the motherboard is $357 (IIRC), plus CPU and memory
[18:49:21] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: then add in the cabling too iirc
[18:49:23] <eric_U> I didn't think any intel architecture could get under 1microsecond latency
[18:49:26] <SWPLinux> and you need to use a core2 CPU with the experimental SMP RT kernel
[18:49:39] <SWPLinux> and then load down the other core with a do-nothing CPU hog
[18:49:47] <SWPLinux> and then you get sub-microsecond latencies
[18:50:04] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: What dat was the show again?
[18:50:07] <JymmmEMC> date
[18:50:21] <SWPLinux> 4/18 is the session, the conference starts 4/14 I think
[18:50:26] <JymmmEMC> k
[18:50:37] <JymmmEMC> I just neede it in writting so I cna scroll back =)
[18:50:49] <SWPLinux> heh
[18:51:32] <JymmmEMC> Ok, *IF* I use this board and the ext paraport card I have, do you think I'd still have shitty latency?
[18:51:38] <SWPLinux> yes
[18:51:58] <SWPLinux> the latency has nothing to do with the motion hardware you use
[18:52:04] <JymmmEMC> is the mesa drivers still funkish?
[18:52:16] <SWPLinux> MEsa works great, but not for steppers yet
[18:52:37] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: STOP suggestions things that I cna't use dad burnit!
[18:52:49] <JymmmEMC> ya killing me! lol
[18:52:58] <SWPLinux> you'd still have shit for latency
[18:53:20] <JymmmEMC> so what your saying the inly thing I can use is USC at this point
[18:53:21] <SWPLinux> but it might be OK since you only need 1ms interrupts
[18:53:30] <SWPLinux> no, the USC will be exactly as shitty as a Mesa
[18:53:36] <SWPLinux> or more ;)
[18:53:56] <JymmmEMC> hows that?
[18:54:15] <JymmmEMC> isn't that what it was designed todo, get past the parapaort issues?
[18:54:16] <SWPLinux> the latency will not change based on the motor controller you use
[18:54:26] <SWPLinux> however, the latency you need may change
[18:54:51] <SWPLinux> specifically if you use something that lets you use 1ms interrupts instead of 20 us interrupts
[18:55:13] <JymmmEMC> SWPLinux: And in my case, what would that be?
[18:56:10] <SWPLinux> I think at this point, the only "production-ready" stepper controller that would let you use 1ms interrupts is the USC
[18:56:12] <JymmmEMC> ok latency-test just jumped to 216K
[18:56:24] <SWPLinux> the 7i43 might be there though, I'm not sure
[18:56:35] <SWPLinux> you'd have to ask seb_kuzminsky
[18:56:44] <JymmmEMC> who's that?
[18:58:00] <SWPLinux> he's the guy who committed the 7i43 driver, which may include stepgens
[18:58:19] <SWPLinux> but like I said, you'd have to ask him
[18:58:34] <JymmmEMC> ah
[18:58:41] <JymmmEMC> WOW I can hear again
[18:59:10] <SWPLinux> lunchtime - bbl
[19:00:16] <JymmmEMC> enjoy
[19:19:49] <JymmmEMC> Just curious... Does a paraport driver in ubuntu need to be installed to use paraport under emc?
[19:20:01] <JymmmEMC> I see it in dmesg is why I ask
[19:20:18] <JymmmEMC> along with bluetooth and other things
[19:25:09] <Unit41> you guys are gay
[19:25:17] <Unit41> cept for cradek
[19:25:44] <JymmmEMC> Unit41: If we are, you made us that way
[19:26:09] <Unit41> no
[19:26:37] <Unit41> and if cradek wanted to be gay thats 110% ok
[19:26:58] <Unit41> but you gotta stop dancing around or someone will flip out
[19:47:09] <Unit41> haha sorry im just pissed off :/ plus i hate when i cant remember any conversation I read
[19:51:37] <Unit41>
[20:04:37] <BigJohnT> wtf
[20:05:07] <BigJohnT> I worked in a nuclear power plant and didn't grow tits
[20:10:12] <SkinnYPuppY> Ha!! http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v327/jerseyjay/?action=view&current=105464_cop_badweed_1.flv
[20:10:39] <SkinnYPuppY> Funnier than chix with dix
[20:26:39] <gezar> yall having a good sunday?
[20:27:35] <eric_U> we were until Unit41 showed up
[20:28:39] <eric_U> JymmmEMC, I think the ubuntu parport driver probably shouldn't be running
[20:30:42] <Unit41> eric i hate you. did you follow twingy here ?
[20:31:09] <Unit41> might be a diff eric too
[20:31:48] <piasdom2> hello all
[20:33:41] <piasdom2> can someone help me setup emc2 ?.....loded but won't run
[20:34:08] <eric_U> did you install from live cd?
[20:34:44] <piasdom2> no kubuntu then source.list emc
[20:34:59] <quiteBIGeye> could some one please kick Unit41 in the nads?
[20:35:31] <eric_U> there is a wiki entry about doing that, but it's not recommended in general
[20:35:49] <piasdom2> oh great
[20:36:01] <eric_U> did you set up the real-time kernel?
[20:36:05] <piasdom2> should i use debian ?
[20:36:23] <eric_U> unless you have special needs, you should use the liveCD
[20:36:33] <piasdom2> not sure....adapt manager installed
[20:36:55] <eric_U> emc doesn't include the real-time kernel afaik
[20:37:17] <piasdom2> the live cd that came with it(debian) i can't get to work here
[20:37:22] <eric_U> what is the error message you are getting, something about modules not running?
[20:37:29] <piasdom2> brb
[20:37:35] <gezar> hmm
[20:37:40] <eric_U> the liveCD I'm talking about is ubuntu
[20:37:54] <eric_U> gezar, how's the math homework going?
[20:38:19] <piasdom2> kenneth@kenneth-lunix:~$ '/usr/bin/emc2'
[20:38:23] <piasdom2> EMC2 - pre-2.0.5
[20:38:27] <piasdom2> Machine configuration directory is '/etc/emc2/sample-configs/sim/'
[20:38:31] <piasdom2> Machine configuration file is 'tkemc.ini'
[20:38:35] <piasdom2> Starting emc...
[20:38:39] <piasdom2> FATAL: Module rtai_hal not found.
[20:38:43] <piasdom2> FATAL: Module rtai_fifos not found.
[20:38:45] <gezar> I stopped it last night, got frustrated, and started on the compsci midterm program, 3.5 pages of code so far, 5 functions or so, and its looking really nice
[20:38:47] <piasdom2> FATAL: Module rtai_shm not found.
[20:38:49] <eric_U> yeah, you don't have the real-time kernel
[20:38:51] <piasdom2> FATAL: Module rtai_sem not found.
[20:38:54] <gezar> piasdom2: have you ever built a linux kernel?
[20:38:55] <piasdom2> FATAL: Module rtai_math not found.
[20:38:59] <piasdom2> FATAL: Module rtapi not found.
[20:39:03] <piasdom2> FATAL: Module hal_lib not found.
[20:39:13] <eric_U> piasdom2, we get it, no real-time kernel
[20:39:15] <piasdom2> ERROR: Could not load 'rtapi'
[20:39:19] <piasdom2> ERROR: Could not load 'hal_lib'
[20:39:23] <piasdom2> Realtime system did not load
[20:39:23] <piasdom2> Shutting down and cleaning up EMC...
[20:39:23] <piasdom2> Cleanup done
[20:39:23] <piasdom2> sorry for the flood
[20:39:24] <piasdom2> nope :)(
[20:39:32] <piasdom2> any online i could fine .............not on the live cd ?
[20:39:37] <gezar> eric_U: thank you for asking for sure bro, that was nice of you, im about to hit the math again, ill finish up the code tuesday before its due
[20:39:44] <eric_U> you have to build it yourself
[20:39:55] <piasdom2> great
[20:40:04] <piasdom2> where can i learn that ?
[20:40:10] <eric_U> gezar, I know how it is when a class is difficult
[20:40:23] <gezar> piasdom2: how long have you been using linux?
[20:40:23] <eric_U> piasdom2, that's a tough one
[20:40:39] <piasdom2> 1 month
[20:41:04] <piasdom2> just got this cnc and thring to learn coding
[20:41:07] <gezar> I recomend you download the live cd, im sure one of the others can link that, and you go from there
[20:41:09] <SkinnypuppY34> You should love the live cd then ! Hassle free
[20:41:33] <Unit41> vista ftw
[20:41:36] <Unit41> lol
[20:41:36] <eric_U> I've been using real-time for years, I use the live cd
[20:41:41] <piasdom2> i downloaded the live cd and it doesn't boot
[20:41:46] <gezar> ive been running linux for 10 years, and I dont think I could one step build emc2
[20:41:49] <eric_U> built so many kernels I hate to even think about it
[20:42:06] <SkinnypuppY34> Will other cd's boot ok ?
[20:42:31] <piasdom2> kubuntu and cd that came with the cnc
[20:42:39] <eric_U> piasdom2, how did you burn the cd?
[20:42:44] <Unit41> koo koobuntu
[20:42:53] <piasdom2> in window xp
[20:42:57] <eric_U> you may have had a bad download
[20:42:59] <gezar> with nero?
[20:43:09] <piasdom2> no
[20:43:10] <gezar> or did you just write the file to cd ?
[20:43:25] <gezar> what application did you use to burn blah.iso to the cd?
[20:43:52] <piasdom2> forgot...have to reboot to win to find out...but not nero
[20:44:13] <piasdom2> i burned the iso to disk
[20:44:24] <piasdom2> not the file iso
[20:44:33] <gezar> if you dont have an iso burner try using something like burnit or another free iso burning utility
[20:44:45] <SkinnypuppY34> Just pop it in a drive and see if there is just one file there named .iso
[20:44:52] <piasdom2> ooooooooooh...i used poweriso
[20:45:16] <gezar> piasdom2: try using a slower speed setting, its probably just a bad burn or bad download
[20:45:22] <piasdom2> i mounted the iso then burned it with poweriso
[20:45:37] <piasdom2> ok...i'll try that thanks
[20:45:50] <SkinnypuppY34> I've had some cheap cd's that needed slower write regardless of what they said and some just failed period
[20:46:00] <piasdom2> i'll try it in kubuntu to burn it
[20:46:03] <fenn> pisadom if you have ubuntu installed already, you can follow the install instructions at linuxcnc.org
[20:46:06] <gezar> try just using burnit and you shouldnt need to mount the iso
[20:46:29] <piasdom2> ok thanks all ....bbl
[20:46:33] <gezar> good luck
[20:47:51] <fenn> i wonder how many people never get past the cd burning step
[20:48:18] <eric_U> I went through 5 cd drives before I got one to boot
[20:48:27] <eric_U> don't know what it is with some older drives
[20:48:53] <gezar> yeah, I had to drop the burn speed way down myself
[20:49:26] <gezar> fenn : probably a lot
[20:49:30] <SkinnypuppY34> What gezar said ... I usually do iso about 24
[20:49:35] <SkinnypuppY34> X
[20:51:20] <tomp> linux cd burning software often tells users about drive burn speed, ignoring media burn speed ( gnomebaker, k3b ,,, ) so i use a 'fail safe' speed of 8x and find something to do while it cooks
[20:52:46] <tomp> oh, and always burn from an iso image ( not file list to cd ) ( yes, i bet lotsa people dont get to a bootable cd, too much voodoo aka 'i do this cuz it worked for me' )
[20:54:15] <gezar> hahahaha, "voodoo"
[20:54:39] <gezar> thats what I had to do back in 1998 to get my first emc install running
[20:55:09] <gezar> and no, I have yet to drive an axis with it
[20:55:17] <gezar> wait I have 1 axis that works, but thats it
[20:55:35] <archivist> get on with it
[20:56:14] <eric_U> he has to do his homework first
[20:56:15] <gezar> wasted too much money on living, now that im about broke, and going to school, until im done with calculus i dont think ill be doing jack
[20:56:22] <fenn> where's the sugar cube cutter we were promised?
[20:56:36] <fenn> i want my emotional investment back!
[20:56:51] <gezar> its on the burner
[20:56:52] <archivist> hehe
[20:56:53] <eric_U> the whole iso burning thing probably isn't helped because windows will not do it for you
[20:57:11] <archivist> easy enough in nero
[20:57:15] <tomp> schaum's outlines: calculus worked for me
[20:57:33] <eric_U> I always hated schaums
[20:57:44] <eric_U> learned cobol that way though
[20:57:59] <gezar> i just have a lot of algebra issues that I have to work through, it makes calculus uber hard
[20:58:07] <fenn> just listen to a lot of bach
[20:58:24] <gezar> hard core techno seems to be working
[20:58:29] <eric_U> algebra is the first thing to go
[20:58:31] <archivist> * archivist listens to daisy
[20:58:48] <eric_U> sometimes you gotta listen to what you got
[20:59:12] <eric_U> I need to get a stepper system going so we can play "Iron Man" on it for my son
[20:59:35] <fenn> set up a shoutcast to g-code stream converter..
[20:59:50] <fenn> or at least arbitrary midi
[20:59:54] <gezar> well look, im about to take my second big test, I made a 46 on the first one, if I manage to get an 80 or better I wont have to drop the class, if I fail this one, ill drop the class, and continue going and take it again :(
[21:00:23] <fenn> ouch
[21:00:48] <gezar> I just have issues with tests. period, big issues right now, cause my brain opens up like a volcano, tossing formulas and numbers all over the place
[21:01:09] <fenn> you should practice taking tests then
[21:01:32] <gezar> that and continue practicing on the problems, I spend a lot of time on math, doing tons of problems
[21:01:53] <eric_U> I find taking tests is much easier if I know what I'm doing
[21:02:09] <fenn> fake it til you make it baby
[21:02:12] <gezar> yeah, thats the issue, I dont feel comfortable with what im doing, so its rough
[21:02:19] <eric_U> which is not always possible
[21:02:44] <gezar> its also theory, so we have to write the theorems, and then work the proofs as well
[21:02:50] <fenn> oh gross
[21:02:54] <gezar> ton of stuff to memorize
[21:02:55] <eric_U> funny thing is, if it's a reasonable test, the professor can solve it in about 12 minutes
[21:03:33] <eric_U> if it takes him 15 minutes, there is no way anyone is going to finish in an hour
[21:03:42] <fenn> they should give you whatever time and materials you need
[21:04:08] <eric_U> my boss does that, he gets a room at night after dinner, and lets you take 3 hours
[21:04:19] <fenn> when's the last time you had to do calculus on a deadline with nothing but a pencil (besides school)
[21:04:52] <eric_U> last time I had to do calculus was in school
[21:04:59] <gezar> it will probably have write proffs of product, quotent, and chain rule, do a problem using the definition of a limit to prove that the limit exists(from previous chapter) some stuff involving trig functions, inverse trig functions, derivatives of arcs of trig functions, write out all trig functions, and their derivatives, stuff like that
[21:05:53] <gezar> by the time im done with compsci and calculus this term, i should be able to understand all of the motion code
[21:06:09] <eric_U> I dont' remember having to prove the chain rule, but I don't remember much from '77
[21:06:17] <fenn> i thought godel showed that all proofs were a joke anyway, why do they bother? silly mathematicians
[21:06:29] <eric_U> no he didn't
[21:07:29] <lerman> Godel just showed that there are things that are true that can't be proved.
[21:07:34] <gezar> well, i need to get at it, i have to know so I can do good, so I can continue
[21:07:55] <lerman> And I knew that (because there are lots of things I can't prove).
[21:08:09] <gezar> it took newton 10 years or so, so I guess I can learn it in a few weeks
[21:08:51] <jtr> gezar: When I was having trouble taking tests, my inlaws recommended taking an aspirin about 1/2 hr before the test. It helped me stay relaxed during the test. Still had to study like hell.
[21:09:35] <gezar> I think ill crank out, and use the back of the test in an attempt to use calculus to prove batman is bruce wane
[21:10:16] <gezar> that or i will have mastered the memorization stuff, and do as good as I can do
[21:10:37] <gezar> im not fearing failure, its just hard, but yall have fun
[21:10:41] <archivist> understanding beats memorizing
[21:11:53] <gezar> well, the better I am with the memorizing, the more ill have to toss at a problem, ie, if I know the law of cubes, then a problem involving a cubed function will be less daunting
[21:24:09] <toastydeath> all my tests are open note - no memorization involved, you have to understand the concepts
[21:24:57] <toastydeath> woooo
[21:39:50] <lerman> The lerman secret to memorizing prior to a test. I generally found that everything I needed to memorize would fit on one side of an 8-1/2 x 11 sheet of paper.
[21:40:31] <lerman> I would write it all down and carry it wherever I went. As I walked into the exam, I would crumple it up and throw the sheet away.
[21:40:53] <lerman> When I was handed the exam book, the first thing I would do is write down the stuff I had memorized.
[21:41:18] <lerman> That way, I only had to remember the stuff for a few minutes.
[21:51:05] <Unit41> stab it with a knife ?
[21:51:58] <Unit41> you have issues
[21:52:08] <Unit41> * Unit41 retires to his workbench
[21:53:11] <JymmmEMC> Nah, removed the video card... boots up!!!
[21:55:09] <toastydeath> lerman: that is friggin brilliant
[22:18:04] <skunkworks_> so far - no explosions
[22:18:12] <skunkworks_> gas all the way over to the stove
[22:18:28] <skunkworks_> yes - the oven has a fan in it
[22:18:35] <skunkworks_> * skunkworks_ just notices
[22:18:38] <skunkworks_> notices
[22:18:43] <skunkworks_> jeez
[22:18:45] <skunkworks_> noticed
[22:34:46] <alex_joni> night all
[22:35:07] <alex_joni> skunkworks_: noticicised
[22:40:39] <tomp> popeye: notiskis
[23:31:51] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: WOW, hadn't seen you since your last comment, and now a g'night =)
[23:34:23] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: was out..
[23:34:29] <alex_joni> now I'm off to bed
[23:34:31] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Ah, gotcha
[23:34:46] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: G'Night =)
[23:34:51] <alex_joni> thanks..
[23:34:58] <alex_joni> same to you
[23:35:11] <alex_joni> won't be around mcuh the next couple of days
[23:35:28] <JymmmEMC> moving into a cave?
[23:35:36] <alex_joni> (going to some customers tommorow, and germany tuesday-thursday)
[23:35:43] <alex_joni> not sure I'll have much online time
[23:35:53] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Well, when you hit de, have one on me
[23:35:56] <BigJohnT> see u when you get back
[23:36:10] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: a lager?
[23:36:12] <SkinnypuppY34> Enjoy Deutchland
[23:36:23] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: yep, one of them HUGE ones =)
[23:36:41] <alex_joni> 5l is the biggest oen I've seen
[23:36:56] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Ok, there ya go.... and a straw =)
[23:37:01] <alex_joni> roughly a gallon
[23:37:07] <archivist> and a large bladder
[23:37:11] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: YOU CAN DO IT!!!
[23:37:15] <SkinnypuppY34> Care for some sidewalk with that drink sir ?
[23:37:41] <BigJohnT> hold my beer and watch THIS!
[23:38:01] <JymmmEMC> BigJohnT: Is that like a 30' pissing contest?
[23:38:11] <SkinnypuppY34> Ha
[23:38:26] <BigJohnT> any time someone says that you need to back up a lot
[23:38:32] <JymmmEMC> lol
[23:38:40] <alex_joni> I did some training with ice tea
[23:39:00] <alex_joni> so the volume is no issue anymore..
[23:39:08] <alex_joni> (now I only need to start liking beer)
[23:39:48] <BigJohnT> are you a wino alex_joni ?
[23:41:37] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: so far mostly non-alc.
[23:42:01] <SkinnypuppY34> Watch out for Technoviking ;o) http://youtube.com/watch?v=_1nzEFMjkI4
[23:42:28] <SkinnypuppY34> While partying in the street
[23:46:33] <BigJohnT> anyone have a clue as to how to get the filename for a truetype font in python?
[23:47:29] <BigJohnT> for example Times is /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-tamil-fonts/TSCu_Times.ttf
[23:48:21] <archivist> locate ttf
[23:48:34] <BigJohnT> from python?
[23:48:56] <archivist> store a list somewhere
[23:50:02] <archivist> in pseudo non python exec(locate ttf >ttflist.txt)
[23:51:41] <archivist> *.ttf is better less cruft
[23:52:34] <BigJohnT> right now I'm using self.fonts=list(tkFont.families()) to get a list
[23:52:50] <BigJohnT> however the list is not a match for the file names...
[23:56:12] <BigJohnT> hmmm, I used cmd='locate *.ttf > ttllist.txt'
[23:56:19] <BigJohnT> os.system(cmd)
[23:56:33] <BigJohnT> and got a text file with all the font files in it...
[23:56:48] <BigJohnT> now lets see what I can do with it LOL
[23:58:29] <JymmmEMC> the ttf lib has a command to show all the fonts it's aware of, but I dont recal what the command is
[23:59:44] <BigJohnT> is the ttf lib part of python?