alex_joni: have you ever used grace?
crap.... it's been so long since I ran the PC I want to use on my machine that I forgot how to turn it on
start shorting out pins on the header ;)
I found the harness
"downloading 1 of 151 updates"
you let windaz update!
I don't let windows exist
(well, I have win95 on a virtual machine, but thats it)
[01:38:16] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZZPXCstdw
that's pretty cool
cradek: no pressure.. any new pictures?
jepler: did all geeks our age have that machine?
skunkworks: nope, no more real progress yet
I got the C rotary table put together though. I have to put a motor on it
[01:46:57] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzHpDDttIBU&feature=related
so - it has some sort of video recignition?
not sure - the incoming parts seem to be randomly place at first glance, but there is actually a pattern
looks like the widgets are in a careful pattern
heh it says it has vision
one of these days I'll get speakers
it doesn't sound like much
a bit rattly
"says it has vision" implies narration?
that's in the text
An Adept Quattro Robot and an Adept Cobra s800 inverted robot in an in-house demonstration using dual conveyor tracking and vision
it sucks (the noise of the vacuum pickup)
I bet the camera isn't on the bot.
heh, it goes into a frenzy at the end
(they stop moving widget and just run the adept as fast as it can
it would probably be tossing stuff all over if it tried to pick them up
oh, at the end, they speed it up
and theres a nasty robot suffling them when it puts them back
[01:53:19] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzHpDDttIBU&feature=related
I've thought about making a cable/wire hexapod or tripod and doing something like this as a silly demo
just move balls around on a board
[01:56:06] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBLfc-0_IOQ&feature=related
heh - that is neet
I am wondering why they didn't leap-frog the balls
heh - delta robots are cool, no?
[02:00:42] <cradek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5eR0eHknZk&NR=1
damn. that is a fast SCARA
[02:04:17] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My0BKH3AMSo&feature=related
I like the little clamp that pops out and turns to hold the part
yeah, that's cool
lol - the robotic butt
aka, seat tester
[02:06:38] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPU3NpuMdg0&feature=related
it's a ro-butt
remember the crazy people who slapped a chair on the end of a robot?
now some big company is doing it, at a trade show
[02:09:56] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn4KMDDxVLU&feature=related
it doesn't bring their heads so close to the floor tho
oh my god i want to do that
you could ride the table of my mill back and forth...
yeah that's kind of boring though
that robot whirls you all over
maybe if you had like, a bridge mill
thats an evil ride
I wonder what the insurance bill was
if you'd trust it to do your process 24/7 unattended, i'd hope it wouldn't be a huge thing to insure
the difference between wrecking a part, and killing a member of the public, is huge in an insurance man's eyes
my point is that the robot is high-reliability
and the "public" there would be expensive execs!
low probability of failure, but very high stakes
lower probability of failure than a car accident
which seems to have the same stake
death of a person
i'd get on it!
hell, i'd ride it to work.
like a pony.
I'd probably ride it too
but no way would I be the programmer or person in charge
the worst that can happen to the rider is death
the person in charge will die the death of a thousand lawyers
man we've destroyed all the fun
in this country
or i guess other countries too
"we" being collective "world"
oh crap apparently they are using industrial robots in some theme parks as rides, on a full-time basis
one at legoland
It would be nice if at least one company that sells ball screws would list their prices.
they want their salespeople to have you by the ballscrew.
mcmaster has prices listed (but they are probably high compared to more specialized companies)
What would be a ballpark estimate for a couple small diameter ball screws about 2-3' long?
mcmaster, 5/8" diameter x 13/64 (0.201) lead, $1.27 per inch for the screw, and $23.85 for the nut
other sizes (even smaller ones) are much more, 5/8 must be the sweet spot for them
I think the "13/64" might really be 0.200 = 5tpi
mcmaster sometimes does stupid things like using fractions for stuff that is really decimal
Dang, that could get pricey
that is about the cheapest I've seen
So if thats what Mcmaster wants you guys think I could get them cheaper from someone who specializes in ballscrews?
what's wrong with calling them up
"hey i'm getting quotes on a 3' ballscrew of any arbitrary small size
Well since I have to call it makes me think they just want to ask lots of questions and advertise more stuff I don't want
in many cases it means they don't want to deal with individuals
Because you know they don't say a word until they have your address and email.
they won't sell just one, won't take credit cards, etc
I should open a ballscrew store in downtown Charlotte, I bet I would be a billionaire in a couple months.
dude just call and ask
i've never had a problem with a vendor yet
[03:22:00] <jmkasunich> http://www.roton.com/Screw.aspx?line=Recirculating
Okay so out of the myriad of companies who would you call?
click on "buy" and it puts the item in your cart, with a price
then you can cancel
no info (name, etc) needed
$62.30 for a 60" 5/8 x 5tpi screw, $34.69 for a matching nut
Holy shit, the screws aint terribly high but the nuts?!
the nut is harder to make than the screw, dude
what were you expecting?
The nut I saw was $75
I wasn't expecting anything really. I was just wondering what they cost, and now I know.
And knowing is half the battle..
Your right jmk, 5/8 does indeed seem to be the sweet spot.
this isn't the first time I've studied that mcmaster catalog page ;-)
Oh well, just one more thing to covet.
thou shalt not covet they neighbor's ballscrew
Hey, he can keep his damn ballscrew!
What do you guys think about 8020?
for machine dimensions?
lathe or mill
you mean the extruded stuff?
[03:31:28] <Dogfishguzzler> http://www.8020.net/
what do you want to use it for
For a gantry type cnc router
what are you gonna use for slides?
I dont know. We build stuff at work out of it and we have had some sweet bearings that go with 8020 but I don't know where they got them. I can't find them on the website.
you mean those plastic things that slide on the extrusion
These were blocks that fit around the whole tube with bearings inside that rolled pretty free
the whole idea of making machine tool ways out of aluminum makes me shudder
but thats just me, and I have no firsthand experience to say it won't work
yeah me too but its for wood and plastic.
I'm hoping I can build one for the experience and then either sell it to my boss or get all the lexan jobs we are farming out right now.
Cause whoever is doing the lexan now is not doing a good job. I've had to fix every single one so far.
I'm talking about missing dimensions by 3-5mm
How do you do that?
I've fudged my share of +/- .005 but if I can't land withing a couple hundred thou the I need to go work somewhere else.
heh near enough for a clockmaker
Right now though I just want to learn about EMC and steppers etc.
I don't get you guys who have a shop full of machines, why arent you making cool shit right now?
I would be making a tesla turbine or a pistol right now if I had my machines.
Or something dammit.]
Hopefully I will have a lathe very soon.
Then the fun begins :D
I don't ever fell like hanging around after work for government jobs, I'm usually ready for a beer by that time.
"Be carefully to your LCD monitor, it's very exquisite but easy to broken."
weird i was just talking about tesla turbines
Dogfishguzzler: you just need to camp out at HGR surplus with a cardboard sign 'will be a bum for machinery'
the problem is that he is probably far away
machinery is cheap, shipping isn't
well, there's components that one could build a machine from
heh HGR has a mobile home for $499
their motto is "anything and everything"
i think i would probably go insane if i ever went there
cause you couldn't fit everything in your car?
got my "exquisite" monitor exquisitely mounted on the shoptask... woohoo!
I just realised that this is Pearl Harbor day
here's one for toastydeath: http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=20-847-004
why would he want that?
if that machine runs, that is damn cheap
davenports, used, usually go for 15-30k
depending on options and included tooling
which makes me believe it isn't working right
usually HGR stuff has little or no tooling
but that's a great deal
nothing there "runs"
if its not attached to the machine, its not included
I think everything is a project to some extent
for a screw machine, it's okay if tooling isn't included
because you usually have to cam it per job anyway
lots of custom tools required to run a job on one
if i had a shop, i'd buy it
even if it didn't work
and a truck
they still make davenports and used crap can be had cheap
to get it running
but then what?
many a screw machine has run on nothing but those things
unless you need lots of some small part, how are you gonna make money?
find people who need small parts
get machine, then find customers?
some dudes only buy one or two screw machines and just underbid cnc shops
who bid on the same thing trying to run the job on a cnc lathe
seems like you are doing the easy step first, and leaving the hard part for later
it's a 1500 dollar machine, plus not a lot in getting it running
actually it's on sale
even if there's no work, it's hardly like trying to justify a turning center
buy it and sit on it
fenn's right, $1100 right now
interesting - 550V motor
i'd buy it at 1500, but i don't have the space at all
where are you located?
screw in the righs hand are deadly..
in an apartment
you'd pay 1500 freight
and stil manage to justify it easier!
it would be worth just sitting on, because like i said, davenports do not come along cheap that often
even ones that are not entirely running
even with 1500 in shipping
even with no tooling
what model Davenport??
[05:46:21] <toastydeath> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=20-847-004
that link, dmes1, courtesy of fenn
made in 1942
who cares when it ws made...
I wasn't saying that was a bad thing
my van norman was made in 1941
that looks to be a pretty sweet machine... to me
yeah but that davenport can crank out parts faster than any cnc lathe on the market today
which is why they go for more serious money than most used machines
how does brown & sharp compare to davenport?
davenport blows them away in speed but b&s has a larger capacity
true toast... just a slower change over time..
yeah, very slow for the first job
[05:48:48] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=10-322-018&searchtable=1&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0
ive rolled cams by hand...
I'm sure those are worth something to a person who knows what they are
hahah, some of those things in there are worth 399 by themselves
i see at least one die head
some rotary broaches
[05:49:23] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=42-364-023&searchtable=1&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0
box turning tool
new they are 1000 bucks EACH
i'm talking ebay prices though
i'm not sure how useful a box of random cams is
i have a die head like that in the back shed... boy burnt it...
but there's probably at least one thing in that box worth 199
random cams???? random parts...
i'd run some of those "screw machine tools" on a regular ol' milling machine or engine lathe
dmes1: the second link
second link is change gears and cams, apparently
those remind me of rotary broach holders
there is a third box, similar to the second (and same price)
scrap metal weight..
there's a few knee tools in that first one too
it would be neat if they had some shave tools in there
1st has nic tools
then they'd really be idiots
i priced out new shave tools, jesus christ
low end, tiny capacity starts at 1500?
i just makemy own... ; )
what do you use for gibs?
strip of iron or brass or something?
no gibs... valenite cartrige...
no i meant the holder itself
not the actual cutting part
4140 heat treated to 46-48 Rc usually
[05:54:28] <toastydeath> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=42-364-023&searchtable=1&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0
not the cutting part
looks like a lunar lander with a gatling gun to me
i hope that my first lathe can be an American Pacemaker
dunno if i'll find one in my price range that runs
but i will try.
look for a good lookin Hardinge...
fenn: the gatling gun is the bar feeder tube
yeah i know
dmes1: i'd like the hardinge HC
its all the other "stuff" i dont know
id like chnc II
is that the HC with the cnc kit
or is it the hlv
no its a full CNC SUUPED up HC
i think there was one one ebay for 6k?
dunno if it ran, probably not
flat bed with .00001 resolution
yeah man, we have the HC-AT at school
thing is damn accurate
guage tolerance.. not part
but they're still more accurate than your average lathe
someone lost all the "adjustable height" inserts on the toolholders at school though
so like, if you want to use it, you need shims
every - last - one
wow... slap HIM...
dunno who it was
but imagine my rage
as i pull out toolholder after toolholder
missing the damn insert
i think i yelled and startled everone when i got to the last one
Zig Zag papers are .0005 thk... used on screw macines for yrs
is that like a rolling paper or some other thing?
that's a good trick man
do they last under coolant
why wouldnt you just use shim stock?
because it's at school and i can never find what the hell it is i am looking for
if it was at work, i'd open the appropriate can of shim stock and pull a piece out
yes that's a problem
and every time i FIND what i am looking for
some asshat moves it
and then they ask me why it is taking me eighty hours to machine the simple part they saked for
whatever, school dude
keep your crap in the same place every week and i'll give you your part in five hours
look at the size of that monster at the bottom! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/12/printing_out_bu.php
the question i had
isn't that a lot of scrap?
do they recycle it into more boards?
I hope not. otherwise, the structure might be weakened
toast.. once in wet or not they are .0005
ty for that tip
so, what's been happening to EMC 2 since I left?
screw machines i learned on all had instructions in # of papers as she wharmed up... and a pack to pull from
did you ever let the machines warm up dry
or just start doing parts
gotta cut a prt to warm up
i keep trying to convince work to put this one bushing we make on a screw machine
we make a line of bushings, and it's always this ridiculous job and takes a week to finish
bush.. ### how many??
and the machine it runs on has this ridiculous expansion as it warms up
not screw machine quantity, i know
but the part runs 7-10 minutes
so even if setup takes us a whole day or two days
we are still ahead on time, because at worst the machine will take 1 1/2 minutes to pop a part out
2 days to set up for a bushing???
i am talking "absolute worst case"
like, if the dude setting up has brain damage
it's got this o-ring profile on the OD, which would be easy to use a shave tool for
but we currently try to single point it and it takes a year
and the ID is +.0000/-.0005
shite ihad pre made bushing programs sitting in the control . ... ust swap #/s
and the machine drifts real bad, so you have to babysit it every single time
because the drfit is a random value and if you don't check the bore every time, the next part comes out wrong
so last pass is a crap shoot???
you have to really get to know the machine
and it makes a lot of scrap
tell your boss you need a new machine to be reliable.... or screw up 3 pcs on a row...
dude we've screwed up 50% of a job one time
on multiple occasions
and they STILL won't do anything
i keep saying run it on a screw machine, drill it, bore it for geometry, and then run a ballizer or burnisher for the diameter
want my telephone # i'll talk to him.. once i get a PO
haha, no, they'd flip out
but i appriciate the offer
if they were at all interested i'd take you up on it
no bushing needs that...
well it's for an air bearing
a product line
it's a stock part
we don't know, whoever buys them
we make the bearings, people buy them from us
but there's some material issues there and we have to have a tight fit
because of the TOP SECRET PROCESS
and that's about as much as i'm able to say =((
aluminum bushing, and graphite liner
the mori seiki lathe we have will hold +/-.0001 on any dimension for about three hours
no sweat.. i have some of those... ;)
then it will shift
but that's a 20" swing
too slow for 2" and under bushings
need a sweet little chnc II
or rather the chuck isn't rated
but our turned parts are product lines!
we hardly do ANY custom turning work
so I say set up a box of tools and papers for each part, and buy a screw machine
tthe best air chuck in japan is made in the USA -
it's not like they're going to change the parts that haven't been changed in five years
they WILL change the part... no worries
well, we do get the occasional custom order
but we have six lathes sitting around, and only one of them running at any one time
so please, sell four, buy two screw machines, and have even more capacity than you did before
set up in the morning, and be done with the job by five
i DO the custom FIXES / orders for alotta stuf.. and the engineering orders CHANGING stuff are quite common
our engineers don't actually change crap, they just move crap around on the drawing
and confuse everyone
"this is different.. but... it says the same thing?"
"yeah, i didn't like where the dimension was on the drawing."
not for me they dont...
i'm much better at drafting now
that i have been machining
i'm also getting real good at checking my own prints
very few errors, if any, get by me
so become a dwg checker...
i'd rather cut my hands on chips all day
I feel your pain - had to make 5000 oilite bushings @ .478" +.00015 / -0
Someone had tooled up the mating part wrong so the bores these bushings were for were the wrong size.
what do you use to bore with?
like all our lathes but one drift too far to be reliable past a total .0005" of error
not bore - O.D.
we'd have to set indicators up and do it on our hlv
used a 1/4 degree tapered mandril
doable on the right equipment
like that's my big concern about being like, yes use screw machines
just kinda slide them on until tight
the bore is surface finish rms 16
and the tolerance is -.0005
can a screw machine hold that with a boring bar?
yeah that's what i figured
and is why i'd want to use burnishing or some other doodad
good tooling... is the always the answer
ha oilite is all porus - even if PCD diamond is used its still full of craters
dmes1: what would you use to hold .0005 on a screw machine?
i probably wouldn't try unless i was close to start with....
or it would be a ground form tool...
or a reamer?
oilite is basically a powder metal pressed/sintered bronse - then submerged in oil in a vaccuum - then returned to normal pressure which forces oil into all the porus areas that had been full of air.
a reamer might do it i guess
reamers dont alway run straight
i'd use a boring bar to give it a nice track to run on
as an oilite bushing heats up - it sweats oil at the hot spot - self lubricating.
and if the boring bar drifted a couple thou, nobody cares
the reamer would give us the finish and size
skullworks-pgab: i always wondered how that worked, the self lubricating thing
I don't trust reamers much anymore...
had too many that would not hold size repeatedly
i turned alot of PM ... some miserable shite
i've heard ballizing and burnishing hold .0002
but they're apparently sensitive to a thou or so on diameter
which sort of leaves me with the same problem i had when i started
though less severe
though i suppose .001 is well inside reamer turf
gotta head for bed...
or boring bar
goodnight, thanks for your insight
.001 is NOT enuff for a reamer
or a bbar..
SMALL reamers NEED .004-.006... and b/bars need 1/2 toolnose rad or so..
i meant tolerance
not like, stock left to remove
this is from solid bar, so we can use whatever drill we want
and out to 20 to 1 ist fun.. thats where i play lately
4.5 inches 56 inches down the bore
see you in the AM
[09:24:08] <pierp> http://cgi.ebay.it/ASUS-F5VL-AP008C-2DUOT5450-2GB-TFT15-4-GLARE-X2300128MB_W0QQitemZ130181476375QQihZ003QQcategoryZ46323QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
CompUSA is closing - http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/07/technology/compusa.ap/index.htm?postversion=2007120719
I don't think I have ever ordered anything from them
their sales haven't been good
when they have to lower the prices enough that people will buy, they sell everything to liquidators
[17:18:56] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWMhMAHAFTo
what? I can't hear you..
would like to have seen what it was cutting.
once they get to 1Mrpm you wont be able to hear it at all
you will just have an aneurism?
things will randomly catch fire around the room
heh - the tool will break - go strait tru you, wall, and 6 cars. and you won't even know it
i read something on rcm where a guy drilling .001" holes just keeled over dead one day
after x-raying they found the drill bit in his spine
[18:06:50] <anonimasu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34TLsKElnQ&feature=related
when emc does that I'll be happy
when emc does the dishes and cooks me pancakes, i'll be happy
anonimasu: why shouldn't it now?
when emc retro-fits our mill by itself...
alex_joni: I just havent heard of anyone doing that kind of speeds..
or seen any clip or anything
emc should be able to do that
at that speed?
you just have to have the equipment for it
sure why not?
anonimasu: that's a fairly simple contour
alex_joni: it's damn fast..
its looks like a very small item... and is probably running servos
of course it's running servos
and in my dream world ball screws too
fenn... I have seen stepper setups that run fast.
anonimasu: I saw a guy doing 3-4m/min with emc2 a couple years ago
that's dead slow :/
with steppers, so it wasn't really much
well, my rapids are at 4m/min right now..
it's slow :)
my motors are the limit though
my mill rapids at 2 meters/min roughly
Ziegler: steppers at 900in/min?
check your math
iirc mariss' unstallable stepper demo with the crazy drives was only aroudn 1500in/min
[18:13:47] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OUNLruaVQ
[18:14:03] <Ziegler> http://www.google.com/search?q=2+meters+per+minute+to+inches+per+minute
fenn: why isnt that in production already?
Ziegler: i was talking about the spiral milling video
sure fenn... why not?
um, because steppers only go up to about 1000 rpm
rack and pinion
linear steppers maybe :P
I wouldnt do it that way... but it can be done
(besides I like getting fenn all riled up.)
* Ziegler pokes the bear
* fenn hibernates for the winter
I cant help but to adore fast machines
they are fun to watch arnt they
and probably even more fun to run
I would love to convert my machine to servo's
(thats for next year)
^ was done with http://www.electronicsam.com/images/engraver/stepper.JPG
that video skunkworks?
[18:19:43] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OUNLruaVQ
[18:20:13] <Ziegler> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPqJTPvvFMI&NR=1
skunkworks: what's the thread pitch on the hermes?
* skunkworks was hoping no one would ask
is there a better surface finish when you take light cuts really fast?
standard cut at standard speeds?
there's less distortion/stress left in the metal compared to the same surface after a heavy cut
youtube seems to be every spastic
every spastic's best friend
input scale on the engraver was 4000
Ziegler: did you see my question? he is using mach.
(on the last video you posted)
I didn't see any question.
a guy who was asking me for help a couple weeks ago ... his input scale was around 800
dunno what he plans to do with that machine
im I still here?
howcome all mach3 machines I see are slow?
the video Ziegler posted (high speed facing) was running mach
but mach3 doesnt do real time if I remember correctly
but that is strait lines.. not contouring.
welll windows doesnt do real time
who needs high speed? get a face mill and do that in one pass :-)
the people who need it are probably the ones with the micro mills that cant handle a large face mill
(just a guess)
right, I was just teasing
not everyone has a nice big bridgeport in thier shop...
isn't there someone here who has emc running on a large machining center?
we are all waiting for skunkworks to try it out
* skunkworks isn't feeling any pressure
* Ziegler applies pressure
there is a mazak running emc at the cnc workshop
[18:35:22] <cradek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VUvocnIfek
tool changer and all
wow look at this terrible contouring performance
thats what I am thinking of
I think it's very low accel and exact stop at each segment
there is another guy running a mazak on the west cost.
losts of bridgeport style machines running it
youtube is running really slow for me
rsame for me
err... I mean it doesn't really work well
there is the guy on cnczone that says he has a large machine running emc
I'm hoping to get my bp running it this weekend, but I'm not making much progress sitting here on IRC
my speeds should be fairly decent with the servomotors I have
[19:27:47] <JymmmEMC> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_fe_st/odd33_cent_gas
eric_U: If it'll help, you cna always be kicked up of the channel for a day or so =)
wow, videos actually have sound!
jmkasunich: welcome to the world of sound :)
I hate to listen to machine tools
first computer in as long as I can remember that I put speakers on
I like to listen to music so I usually have speakers
don't know if I'd do that on my mill though
I should go digital one of these days
jmkasunich: digital speakers?
I have some stuff on vinyl and cassette that I ought to burn onto CD
that would be nice, but my turntable and tape players are broke
my turntable is OK, tape player has problems
someone sells a laser scanner for albums
as does the receiver
don't know how they get enough horizontal resolution though, that's gotta be hard
there IS a USB turntable
that's just silly
there was some program to digitize audio from digital images of records
I imagine it's mono though
I have a machine at work that could probably do it given enough time
white light interferometer surface measuring device
I'll have to take one of my records in to see how it works
eric_U: Not really, USB turntable is direct to digital and jsut record on the PC
and burn to cd/dvd
I guess if you were digitizing and wanted to buy a turntable
it's pretty inexpensive, about $89-$130
that's the part that's silly
especially if you have a massive collection
if you have a massive collection that's worth digitizing, it's probably not good enough
I should resurrect my turntable, but it was belt driven, and the belt died
I sure wish there was a schematic of the mesa 3i77
illustration of this: " The opto-isolated inputs have 4.4K Ohm series resistors and reverse input
protection diodes across the opto-isolator LEDS.
wonder if my wife would notice if I bought one of these:
[19:58:10] <eric_U> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8553326&type=product&id=1188561324689
kinda high price, and brightness a tad low
refresh rate a little on the low side too
I'm using one of the 22" that has all of those problems
it's pretty nice
I boyoctted BestBuy years ago due to the lawsuit and now Ricco Charges
oh no, much worse
hang on I'll get it...
oh, the bait and switch problems
secret web sites
forgot about that one
no, the bestbuy sending your credit card info to M$ and signing you up to MSN
[20:03:10] <JymmmEMC> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31975/118/
I'd never buy a computer from them anyway
I'll never buy ANYTHING from them, unless someone gave me a gift card.
I knew someone that had that problem with AOL and Circuit City
when they sign you up for aol, it's much worse because that's like giving your credit card to russian mafia
you will -never- be able to cancel
I knew someone that allowed CC to sign him up, never used AOL, ended up paying them hundreds of dollars, they wouldn't let him cancel
credit card company wouldn't help
maybe I should just buy a 24" from newegg
I'm confused about how to run the m5i20 python ui
this one: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?M5i20_Halvcp_Test_Panel
i suppose I could just run the shell script
yep, looks like that's the way
or you could probably put a loadusr line of some sort in a hal file so it loads when you run emc
shell script only works on anders' computer
where is emc install directory?
well, there is a usr/share/emc that's not too useful
anyone know where the emc scripts directory lives in a standard liveCD install?
eric_U: what are you looking for?
you can find each file part of the emc2 install by issuing "dpkg -L emc2"
that didn't work, trying to fix this line: ~/emc2.dev/scripts/realtime start
if I had a cvs, that would work, but I have vanilla livecd install
it's: sudo /etc/init.d/realtime start
how didn't the previous command now work?
said it couldn't find realitme
"dpkg -L emc2" ?
I didn't grep for realtime
dpkg -L emc2 | grep realtime
I'm never going to ask where emc is installed again, it's everywhere and nowhere
all around us
you know you're a geek if you take a new item apart before you even plug it in
I only do that at work:)
goes double if you see the tiny torx head screws that they try to keep you out with and say "sorry fsckers, I got the tools for that"
do you have security ones? I need some of those
these are tiny, there's no way they could put one of those security pins in the middle
nintendo can s--k on their stupid proprietary fasteners
of course, for those you can heat up a ball point pen casing and form your own wrench
this is what I'm taking apart: http://www.cirque.com/cpages/?page=24
need to figure out where it's safe to install mounting screws
I had a computer that had one of those embedded in the monitor
not usb unfortunately
this is the keyboard that is going to go with it:
[20:51:16] <jmkasunich> http://www.adesso.com/products_detail.asp?productid=298
gotta figure out where and how to mount both
is the keyboard usable?
$35 not bad
I haven't really used the kb either
the feel isn't terrible, in fact it seems nicer than a laptop keyboard
(which ain't saying much)
* jmkasunich goes in search of a piece of aluminum
Any one know why ubuntu 6.06 the one that comes on the live EMC does not upgrade Python from 2.4 to 2.5 automaticly?
[21:05:07] <dmes1> http://www.water-4-fuel.com/
dang... need 18x6, biggest I have is 16 x 16
unless I mount the mouse replacement somewhere other than right next to the keyboard
what are you building?
CNCing my shoptask 3-in-1
mounted the monitor last night, gotta mount a kb and mouse now
[21:19:05] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/mounted-monitor-12-07-07.html
I'm building a CNC portable plasma table
the X and Y are for both the mill and the lathe?
jmkasunich: does the head go up and down?
thats the main suckage about the machine
the 2nd main suckage is lack of rigidity
Is it ok cutting aluminum?
it seems to have a ton of space between the head and the tabel
for not having the head move
how does it do a Z move?
you wind up doing weird ass things like blocking the vice up on spacers
it has a quill, but only about 3" of travel
ok i see it now
don't feel too bad my bridgeport CNC mill only has about 4" of quill travel
yeah, but it has a knee!
at least I can crank the knee up and down
about 16" or so
you need some kind of quick knee for your vise
you could make some sort of mount so the head would mount on the tail of the machine lower... maybe. (other then I bet it would be a pain to swap ;))
I have a real mill: http://jmkasunich.com/vannorman/VN_Home.htm
but it lives in the garage, which kind of sucks in the winter
heh - but it isn't cnc... ;) yet
are you CNCing the XYand Z?
on the shoptask? yes
I have no intention of CNCing the van norman
I see the mount for the quill in the picture
are you using steppers?
I added that ballscrew, it originally had rack-and-pinion, like a drill press
yes, NEMA 34 steppers
have you ever looked at the steppers at automationdirect.com?
I bought some for my plasma project
got mine from kelinginc.com
very cost effective
I buy a lot of electrical from them for my business
I didn't use their amps tho
I used gecko G203v's
with a C1G parallel port interface card
seems to work on the bench well
not good - the PC locked up again
crap and corruption
on your cnc?
the one that I was gonna use for the CNC
(its not on there yet, it's sitting on my bench)
I like that 'was'
I booted it last night and updated everything, it locked up around midnight
rebooted today around 1pm, and its locked now
you running ubuntu?
I had to replace my hard drive on this box before linux would run right
I'm not sure what is dying
it's a p4 something or other
the mobo is an older P3
I noticed a bulging electrolytic cap on it yesterday, thats never a good sign
time to dig through the piles again
I had mixed feelings about that board anyway, it used rambus memory
* Skullworks-PGAB Deli uses rambus - I feel the pain...
something tells me I'll have a couple of spare sticks of it soon
I don't even know what rambus is...
consider yourself lucky
I take it is different from regular memory
it was intel's attempt to ram their standard down the markets throat
the market spit it back up
think Beth video tapes
my neighbor has a bunch of Beta machines and tapes
hmm, I think this mobo is really done now
on power up I get beep codes
smell the smoke now
is the pattern 1 short 3 short
reseating the memory seems to have fixed it
one, pause, three, pause, three, pause, one, stop
3 is memory problems and 1 is ram refresh failure
[22:09:11] <BigJohnT> http://www.pcmech.com/article/beep-codes/
[22:09:23] <jmkasunich> http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/phoenixbeep.htm
(my board has phoenix, not AMI)
this thing has been sitting idle for a year, might just be dimm contacts
I'll let it run overnight and see what happens, maybe try memtest
sounds like you got a handle on it
if that don't work I'd shoot it to put it out of its memory
your link is much better...
yay.. finished a first part
on what alex?
BigJohnT: wanted to build something like this http://imagebin.org/12227
but my CNC is way too small for that
so I started to do it by hand :)
I'll be able to plasma that kind of stuff soon I hope
what material are you using
I somehow doubt you can plasma it out of wood :)
(scraps I found..)
[22:24:01] <alex_joni> http://imagebin.org/12264
<- kinda bad picture from my cell
I'd have to put a router on there then...
you have plans for that or are you laying it out by hand?
I even have ngc programs :)
but for this I converted them to an image, and printed out to paper
then cut out the paper, traced with a pen
cut out with a fret saw
took me about 3 hours for that part
lots of fretting
I can imagine
especially the outside contour
It would be interesting to look at the ngc programs if they are available
let me find them
[22:30:48] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/809454
that's one of the parts
is that in mm?
that's rescaled to match my tiny machine
I was fixing to say it is a big part if it was inches
usually it's about 2-3x the size
about 1-2 feet wide
now I gotta run :)
03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Master_HAL_fr.lyx Submakefile index.tmpl index_fr.tmpl): French translation
03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/stepconf_fr.lyx: French translation
03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (8 files): French translation
I need to get a better router
mine lets my kids kill my network speed when they watch movies
you need better kids
* jmkasunich <-- curmudgon
you got any?
24 and in the navy
moved the router, helped my ping by a factor of 1000
I just noticed that when using the EMC2 G code quick reference that the links from the first page do not work
everybody knows the first page
are you looking at the ref on the web, or one that is intstalled on your system?
it is the file:///usr/share/doc/emc2/gcode.html one
It was in the menu
what version are you running?
where do the links point to?
the G0 one is http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/gcode_main.html#sec:G0:-Rapid-Linear
link works for me
works here too
that's because we're special
seems a little odd that an installed doc would link to online info instead of installed info
hmmm, the tab says untitled and the screen is blank
works on my windows box...
firefox I guess, never mind me
yes the tab in firefox says (Untitled)
is firefox a problem?
you have the quick ref open in firefox, and you right click on G0 and say "open in new tab" ?
yep thats when i get a new blank tab
and if you don't say to open in a new tab, just left click on it, what happens?
if you just hover the mouse over the link, it displays down in the bottom left...
box is known to be connected to internet using linux?
is that what you posted?
it show the path down there
can you access http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode_main.html
I noticed the double / after /html and before gcode_main.html, I wonder if that is a problem?
I drilled down from the main page and got to the G0 page ok
thats exactly the same link!
yea it worked yesterday
maybe I need to reboot
windows has brainwashed people
rebooting is never the answer
18:13:25 up 87 days, 1:01, 5 users, load average: 0.43, 0.42, 0.81
and I don't even consider that very high
our novell server was up for almost 2 years before a drive started acting flakey.
I will have to look - I bet it has been up for atleast 6 months so far.
we had a main breaker trip randomly..
odd walking into my office and it being totally quiet.
he is back - everyone be quiet
This is the link from the quick g code page http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/gcode_main.html#sec:G0:-Rapid-Linear
this is the link if I drill down from linuxcnc http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode_main.html#sec:G0:-Rapid-Linear
the second one works
both work for me
from here both work
the difference is just the www, right?
and 2.2 instead of docview
but both work
if i insert www. in front of linuxcnc it works
ok, that seems like a DNS thing
both work for me
except the first one is a different page
I might need to reboot my server that is where the modem is
yea the first on is easier to read
don't reboot anything
very much easier to read
(unless your server is running windows)
yes it is windows 2000 pro
why is that
you are browsing from a linux box though, right?
open a shell, and try "dig www.linuxcnc.org" and then "dig linuxcnc.org"
dig queries the DNS servers for the IP associated with that hostname
if both don't give the same IP (or if one fails) something in DNS is messed up
[23:23:46] <jmkasunich> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode_main.html
both are the same IP's
if adding www fixes it, but DNS returns the right IP whether www is there or not, what else could make that happen?
on my Win2k machine, I can load either URL, but they're somewhat different
the www... url has the theme stuff around it, but the other one doesn't
the docview one show up ok
SWPadnos: right, one is being viewed thru a joomla wrapper
they should both be. I'll check into it later this evening
is the joomla wrapper the ugly one or the easy to read one
doing dig http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/gcode_main.html#sec:G0:-Rapid-Linear
came up N A
keep the easy to read on!
I'm poking at my 17" clausing improving things since it was an old production machine. Anyhow there's a few small high spots in the tailstocks mt5 receiver. I've blued it and lightly inserted a new mt5 adapter to see the highs two at 1oclock and 7 oclock from a damaged toolshank. . Question mt5 reamer, turn a mt5 lap or handscrape ID anyone?
BigJohnT: dig maps hostnames to IP addresses - you don't give it a complete URL
ok didn't know
K just haven't done this repair b4 thanks toast
"www.linuxcnc.org" is the host
it's a tailstock, you don't need a lap or hone
dig worked on that
jmkasunich: might get different responses (dig only checks the first cache)
try "dig www.linuxcnc.org +trace"
ty again toast ... back to dirty work
and "dig www.linuxcnc.org @ip_of_your_local_dns
how do I find the ip of my local dns?
oh right, duh. the URLs aren't the same (aside from missing www.)
SWPadnos: docs vs. docview
they have the same structure, operate on the same files
dig came up with 192.168.0.0#53(192.168.0.1)
docs is a simple html interface, docview is a joomla wrapper
BigJohnT: that sounds busted
alex_joni, right -I noticed that one was viewed through joomla (and jmk had pointed out)
just to clarify.. double or triple "/" don't cause any issues :)
but didn't notice the different URLs - so I thought it could be a mapping thing with www.linuxcnc.org vs linuxcnc.org
SWPadnos: nope.. don't think so
me either, now that I noticed docview vs. not :)
I only know of one difference between linuxcnc.org and www.linuxcnc.org, and that's some internal joomla thingie
(the editor fails to set URL links in pages when you use the short addy)
good, because it's dinnertime here :)
we must be in the same time zone
I'll try and reboot both machines and see what happens
him and his reboots
problem solving steps:
3) did it work? no?
4) maybe another reboot
BigJohnT: let me guess.. no improvement?
This one is blank http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/gcode_main.html#sec:G0:-Rapid-Linear
but if I shorten it up to http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/
* cradek takes a 7" cut through 4" of aluminum...
If I just delete the sec it still the same
what if you put a www. infront of it?
with the #sec & all
let me try that
yep that brings it up fine
alex_joni: yes I got a glass of wine so things are improving
* skunkworks thinks cradek should expand on what he said
(horizontal band saw)
did you alread have one?
or new toy?
from this page http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/
if I click on The RS274NGC language nothing happens
If i click on the (fr) that comes up fine
BigJohnT: do you have a proxy?
I don't know
check firefox settings
I have had it for a long time but this is a big cut for it
I'll have to cut from both ends I think
no proxy just direct connection to the internet
BigJohnT: maybe your isp routes you through a proxy then
cradek: what you making?
BigJohnT: sounds like a stale copy of the document in a proxy on the way
BigJohnT: try wget http://linuxcnc.org/.../
in a terminal
if that doesn't work either.. then something is really borken there
ERROR 404: Not Found
Z axis mount
you sure got the right link?
If I do http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.2/html/gcode_main.html
from my linux machine it is blank
if I do it from the windows machine it works
the linux box connects to the internet through the windows machine
BigJohnT: I guess the issue is somewhere in the windows machine then..
but I can't help you there
if it's what I think it is, it'll fix itself after a longer period of time (stale doc inside a proxy)
can you do a ipconfig /flushdns on the 2000 machine.
harbor freight 4x6 band saw can't cut a 6" slice of a 16 x 16 sheet
this is a JET. from pre-HF days
I don't think it was expensive. probably chinese. but it cuts square.
mine is HF
I have a piece that is 16 x 16 x 3/32, and I want a 6 x 16 slice
my kingdom for a foot shear
use a table saw
you can get that, but the other 10" will be in 3 pieces
BigJohnT: excellent idea
I've cut aluminum that way before, I was having a brain fart
with the blade on backward?
I do it all the time have the blade all the way up so you have the min number of teeth contacting the alum
no right way around use a carbide blade
they tried that with a hand circle saw at work.. I walked away fast.
at work the shear is in the hallway, but they locked it up
the reason being that one of the faculty has 12 kids, and she can't control them