G2 arc, endpoint is n/2 away
its saying n/4 is an illegal radius
its making me wanna hit shit
renesis: your gcode is probably wrong. pastebin it if you want help fixing it.
[01:26:48] <renesis> http://pastebin.ca/776417
dies line 41 like how it is now
ive tried it diff ways, ive tried adding small amounts to the radius, tried it with R and J
I can't decipher it with all those variables...
if you're running 2.2, it gives you lots of information about the arc
you should be able to troubleshoot by that
im not i dont think theres an installer yet
you must not read the wiki or the mailing lists then
i read the link on the front page
oh, it cant be that broken, cuz it worked when i put numbers without decimals into the call
o010 call   worked
okay ill try 2.2 bbl
i got put on a production lapping machine at work
i can probably find a similar machine
[02:47:31] <toastydeath> http://cgi.ebay.com/48-SPITFIRE-LAPPING-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ290078985687QQihZ019QQcategoryZ25279QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
similar to that
it's very quiet, too quiet
WE ARE HUNTING RABBITS
renesis: you dont define #2 anywhere?
" 'Outhouse Springs' the worlds first recycled water. Remember we're #1 not #2. "
used by astronauts everywhere
well, maybe not
that was a series of billboard signs in michigan, all bogus, just to advertise advertising. but darn clever.
anyway, renesis stick in a comment like this on line 40: (debug, #1 #33 #31)
and then run the program
[06:38:26] <renesis> http://pastebin.ca/776714
omg so much prettier
and does 2.2 go slower for everyone else?
jog response time is like way worse for me
bad things happened, i wont say
well, more latent, i guess
I haven't had bad things no .
Been using two hours stright here
what kind of machine?
i think mines a xp 2500+
no i meant the emc host
aah amd 2.4
latency b/t hitting jog arrow and actual movement?
but the prob is latency between when i let go and when it stops =(
no prob like that here moves as soon as I touch the keyboard or gui +-
whats your base thread set to?
mines like 15000
I don't remember jitter results but 1.7 ovl max was around 16000
aaahh prob needs to be a little higher
set up for 60 ipm at at 1/8 microstepping
cant really go much higher
i only rapid at 30 for parts and 45 for fun
maybe i can turn it down a bit
whats your machine ?
gotcha got to play with a sherline once that was kind of cool and novel I was sitting at a table and it was in an enclosure
not used to that
yeah mines in an enclosure in my beedroom
on a little 2x4' conf table, little plywood enclosure with plexi front
nothin like swarf mistaken for bed bugs
kinda sucks cant plunge with the centercut endmills at night
cuz its loud
what diam endmill
slow it down and feed it faster
yeah but i need it fast for cutting parallel to xy
and i dont have a speed controller, life sucks
are you stuck at 10k rpm
Understand I have step pulley mill stop change pulley load tool ...
what what, 10K, 10ipm, its fine
is like around 300fpm cutter speed
yeah but you're feeding it real damn slow
10ipm is slow?
Yeah at that kind of rpm
10 ipm is slow for me at most speeds
is a taig not a haas minimill
i was thinking more a mori seiki
but either way it's slow
and not really related to rigidity
get it to like .002" per tooth or something
which is 40 ipm in a 2 flute
hmm, thats alot for tiny mill
.002 chip isn't
maybe cuz i was cutting steel before
even in steel
that wouldnt work great on the taig with steel
hopefully not at 300sfm
the spindle might stop
yeah thats bad
technically, it is more economic to increase feedrate and decrease speed if your spindle will handle it, it produces a lower specific cutting force
but the motor probably does not like low rpms
the haas at school certainly does not
i miss the haas at school
what haas do you have? we've got an sl20
me or him?
we have a minimill at school
if me, we have a vf-0 and a sl-20
i don't particularly like either
We don't have much of a choice down here in georgia
Schools with cnc
not too many of them?
three schools I think ... not a lot of cnc work either
i'd rather have a beat down old mori over a brand new haas
the okk at work is also pretty good
that thing is like from the 60s though
Damn I remember a few years ago seeing sekis selling for dirt cheap on ebay
was it mori seiki?
or ameri seiki or the other m-seiki
we have two, one big ass lathe and one big ass mill
dreamy to use
big ass being relative i guess
I haven't found anything dreamy...
we got a fadal with the older style controller
i think the lathe is 20"x60
20 or 30 hp
but im done with all my cnc classes
the cnc lathes are a trip
and the mill is 20"x80" x/y and 40" z
I finished the cnc portion and will be working on my associates soon
i think the fadal might be towards that big
fadal makes a pretty okay machine from what people say
never used the one at work
i been to their factory
we have such a hodgepodge
Yeeha wish there were somewhere with a b.s. though
the new controllers are neat, been told they have integrate cam software
but very cool lookin
we the the c64 lookin old with, with the safe knob jog wheel
i think i need sleep that sentence is very bad
i would kind of like a haas toolroom mill
they have some bigass grinders there, tho
they converted them to use their controllers
Either of you check out that gsimple program someone posted yesterday? http://www.gsimple.eu
cnc grinders are totally pimp
and then theres a part of the assembly line where the fadal cnc are grinding down their own tables
that was neat
i like that you can do form grinding
skinnypuppy34: looks okay
gcam is almost awesome twingy needs to fix a diamater compensation corner bug
I'd looked at the site , haven't had time to mess with it though
he got busy tho
i just pirated mastercam
I have used g-cam to make some circle pockets
yeah i just havent installed it yet
but im to the point where im like fuckit im sick of trying to use free shit and writing in emc with variables is difficult
well not so much now that i can actually label parameters with words
getting mastercam to do some things is a bitch too
somethings a bitch on pretty much everything
though admittedly I'm not a real whiz at it
i have to figure out how to feed solidworks into mastercam
id be a happier person if i got that setup
you have to understand "surfaces"
whatever the fuck that means
How do you like solid ? I'd seen a link regarding solid/mastercam
solid is jesus
it walks on water cool
i need a fookin hdd
i also need a car again tho so i should be saving money
Some free on line mastercam x videos some are solids related http://www.eapprentice.net/lessons.html
renesis whats your max dist b/t spindle and table?
i think like 6"
Not too bad , I just finished milling another hole
I was wondering if anyone had used a small lathe compound mounted to an angle plate to do lathe turning on a mill with material in the spindle
adjusted base thread time, some other stuff, everything more responsive now
i didnt have positions.txt set either that shit is useful
it's easier to mill on a lathe than lathe on a mill. the missing tailstock is a real limitation
but really, both pretty much suck
oh, he left anyway.
toastydeath: have the slightest bit of class and don't pirate software. Or have the slightest bit of discretion and don't talk about it.
* alex_joni snickers
jepler:just wanted to let ya know everything appeared to working correctly yesterday on the mill
gonna run a few sample programs and give it a good shakedown today
I ran into some confution testerday with classicladder using the sample configs demo_step_cl. the .clp gets loaded twice corupting the ladder display after looking at the developers mail arcive I seen Chris Morleys post about how to load the gui ,loadusr -w classicladder --nogui wellsindex.clp,loadusr classicladder inm the demo vertion it loads the .clp file twice and this is how I was tring to load also my first attemp at classic ladder so I didn't
now what to expect, I figured there would be a way to use the ladder to view the curcuit, I was confused on how to load the ladder with the configs, just thought I would give a heads up. Thanks
can't type either
* alex_joni tries to filter that..
alSMT: you're saying there's something wrong in the demo_step_cl config ?
I ran it just find yesterday
I got a question about the type of encoder used on the nist lathe configs? like ppr ,or better yet what type I would need to control my mill spindle, like what is the max the software can keep up with,with this type of configuration
when I load that config I get a coruped ladder
alSMT: loaded from /etc/emc2/sample-configs ? or from your home dir?
alSMT: re encoder.. it depends on the max spindle speed you'd like
mostly for tapping 500 rpm or so
the max speed the software can read is about .5-.75 of the max frequency determined by base_thread
say you have base_thread at 20000, that means 50000 updates/second
so it would be safe for about 25-35 kHz updates
if you plan on going at max 1000 rpm, that means 35 counts / revolution
1000 rpm = 16.67 rps
the nist config only uses phase a and index z and also uses counter instead of encoder1
so about 2000 pulses/rev is ok
is this only called for in syncr motion?
yeah, and if you like to see a readout with the spindle speed
value, bargraph, whatever
if I operate at a higher speed than can be read without syncr ,no problems
and I found my surface finish issues at the big mill today ^_^
jlmjvm: good, I'm pleased to hear it
is there any way to make axis use upper case letters instead of lower case?
jlmjvm: what do you mean?
when i use emc,i have to use lower case letters to use the gui
r for run,instead of R for run
they are all capitol letters on the quick reference page
jlmjvm: you can define a ~/.axisrc
and add lines like these:
(although I'm not sure what the names are for all the commands you need..)
i just thought the gui would use caps,like the quick reference examples,but mine only works with lower case
could a pyvcp be made to use as a tool offset button,example: position z,press tool offset,select number,enter
don't think so
tool offsets come from the tool file
tool table actually
but you "could" theoretically trick the tool measuring procedure to do what you want
jlmjvm: it involves quite some work/hackery
you would need a component which emulates a touch-probe
you enter the tool length you want, and then you use something like : http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/nc_files/tool-length-probe.ngc?rev=1.4
to "virtually digitize"
wow i'm watching the mastercam screencast tutorials - they really give you lots of opportunity to mess up
that means your component would trip at the exact spot it needs to
jlmjvm: another option I can think of is using TRUNK, not 2.2.x
you can use M66 Exx (analog input)
then you link motion.analog-in-00 to your pyvcp
k i turned the #<vars> into #<_vars> and its doing that radius not long enough thing again
why did you add the _?
is it like truncating the globals before giving them to the subcalls? =(
cuz that makes them global and i thought maybe itd go faster if it didnt have to do calculations every loop
just do them once at the beginning
does _ actually change the behavior of how the namespace works?
or is it just a convention?
no its supposed to change it
sec i find the doc, is in the 2.2 manual
maybe i read stupid
was it something like "For example: to print a named global variable to stderr"
(print,endmill dia = #<_endmill_dia>)
well, it was LawrenceG that wrote that little bit of documentation, maybe he knows
[19:21:57] <renesis> http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/5/5/lang,en/
All documentation (html)
I'll fix that link
or no i guess that was on the wiki about the parameters
[19:26:05] <renesis> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Named_Parameters
a choice was made to have the default define *local* parameters while the '_' case defines global parameters. The reason for this is that local parameters are probably more common.
and: #<_global named parameter here>. is a global named parameter. They are accessible from within called subroutines and may set values within subroutines that are accessible to the caller.
this program (split lines at "/") shows that at least the simplest incarnation of global named parameters works: O100 sub / g0 X#<_x> / O100 endsub / #<_x>=3 / O100 call / M2
when run, the machine goes to X3
i bet tissf is having a hard time reading the documentation :\
[19:33:05] <renesis> http://pastebin.ca/776714
i changed all the parameters inside the sub to global and put them before the sub
and it gave me a radius not big enough error
jepler:is there a way to enable G43 while doing the Z Touch Off?
so according to your simple program i should put after the sub?
does it matter?
jlmjvm: I think it just works
this was on the wiki:I don't have repeatable tool length, so I don't use G43 while cutting; if I did, I'd also enable G43 while doing the Z Touch Off.
jlmjvm: (but, there was a bug report about it that I haven't investigated yet)
renesis: the line which *defines* a parameter must be *executed* before the line which *uses* it. In the program order, the line that defines may appear above or below the line that uses.
in my program, the use appeared above the definition, but was executed after
okay so its not that =\
renesis: i find it much easier to debug programs if i print out the values of key variables before they are used
is the result of that program you showed on pastebin not the result you wanted? I got no errors loading the preview in axis.
ill go poke it some more
no that one works
it fucks up when i changed it all to globals and put the derived variables before the sub
cradek:dont understand what you meant when you said you think it just works
i havent woken up the cnc computer yet today so its not posted
bbl, ty for help
I mean just activate tool length offset in MDI, and then touch off
i should make some sort of shank collar press
i dont think itd be super accurate with the tapered spring collets but who knows
this works for me: http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/reg.ngc
the preview looks the same as the preview when the variables were local
yeah but take the derived variabled between o010 sub and #<_z_now>
and put them on top
thats when i get errors
alex_joni just looked at why the classicladder doesn't load right in the step_demo_cl samples the demo_step_cl.hal file doesn't have --nogui when loading classicladder and the .clp file
it loads but it is corupted
alSMT: is this with emc2.2.1 ?
it needs to be loadusr classicladder --nogui demo_step_cl.clp
because it loads/works just fine here
demo-sim-cl runs for me...
and demo-step-cl does too
it the step config
* alex_joni tries again
alSMT: can you describe the problem (not what you think the cause is) please?
I may not understand what you're saying
the ladder gui is corupt only small part shows
alSMT: can you make a snapshot and put it on imagebin.org ?
I'm not getting that. can you take a picture of it?
on your keyboard
ok then where will it print it
just do it
you'll figure it out :D
(it will open a GUI with the snapshot, and will ask you where to save it)
after you saved it you need to open a browser, go to www.imagebin.org, and upload it there
cradek: I did get a warning when running demo-step-dl: ULAPI: WARNING: module 'HAL_classicladde' failed to delete shmem 03
imagebin.org must be down or something
(try imagebin.org without the www.)
[20:07:07] <alex_joni> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[20:09:34] <alSMT> http://imagebin.org/11845
alSMT: just resize it
oh hmm, I see now that you did resize it, but it didn't redraw (I think)
is there anything useful on stdout/stderr?
it sat there like that long enough for me to print it and I went back and its ok go figure
so it did resize after a little while?
must be a bad BASE_PERIOD for your system?
I also noticed tkemc comes up very slowly on this VM
probly the base in the configs
hmm.. BASE is 50000
I thought 20000 but not sure
yes its 50000
it seems to load better if you use loadusr -w classicladder--nogui demo_ step_cl.clp and then loadusr classicladder on the next line
alSMT: that's how it is..
[20:16:37] <alex_joni> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/configs/demo_step_cl/demo_step_cl.hal?rev=1.3;only_with_tag=RELEASE_2_2_1
you can now load the CL gui from the AXIS File menu. It's unnecessary (and inconvenient) to have the gui load automatically every time
cradek: how do you run it?
i'm sorry it loads better if you don't use --nogui
for me that is
< cradek> you can now load the CL gui from the AXIS File menu.
alex_joni: File>Ladder Editor or whatever it says
missed the "file" part in your message
so im thinking about taking a taig lathe and putting it on my taig mill
hmm.. that might have been me busting up the config (I had num_rungs=2)
well, just the bed and headstock and tailstock
and then like servo or stepper on the headstock
i wonder if that fits
cradek:is that supposed to save to the tool table?
hey guys... in TRUNK is hal_parport.so not used any more?... it doesnt get built and is used by demo_step_cl among others.. this is after cvs up, make clean, make and make install
what directory did you cvs up in?
if you configured with --enable-simulator, no hardware drivers are built.
that would do it.... thanks
oh i guess that's what the demo_sim_cl is for then
how does everyone here set their tool length offsets,i think im missing something
not the g54-59 fixture offsets
by measuring the tools, either directly, or by moving the machine
k,move z to pos,then?
take the tool out, touch the spindle (or holder or whatever) to the table (or whatever). set this as Z 0. insert the tool, do the same touch, put that Z value in the tool table
or, have a reference tool that you call "length zero"
I've got a little wierdness, after a while in mdi g2/3 will not move nor give error , g0g1 still work ok but g2/3 nothing. The fix? Clear the plotter in axis run g2/3 line and motion happens .. anyone else ?
clear the plotter?
yep happened twice, clear live plot and g2/3 works again
or, use a taper fixture and height gauge on your surface plate
skinnypuppy34: sounds familiar, that happened to me while i was testing the arc code
skinnypuppy34: I bet there is some other pattern happening. clearing the plot is very unlikely to affect any motion problem
are you manually puuting the value in the tool table?
jlmjvm: yes you have to edit the tool table
skinnypuppy34: does it show up when you do very small arcs, or after a helical arc?
wierd ... happens only after the first features start to disappear on plot...
I'm just g2/3 making some holes b/t 1&2 " dia manual plunge with knee
k,we do our offsets differently,my z0 ref is quill all the way up,and all tool offsets are negative
jlmjvm: sure, emc can handle that too
that's how my bp boss does it
skinnypuppy34: if you can figure out how to do it repeatably, it would help a lot
the numbers are positive but they're not tool length, they're tool "shortness" offsets, haha
the problem is you can't ever put in a longer tool without changing all of them
works fine like that,just thought there might be a way to set the tool length,like the touch off function
fenn sure thing
doesnt your boss use tlo
* fenn thought touch off was for setting tool length :F
jlmjvm: no, you have to put the numbers in the tool table yourself. maybe there is a better way we could come up with some time.
jlmjvm: well longer tools get smaller TLO numbers
tool touch off and work touch off
so call it whatever you want...
i upgraded to emc 2.2, is there an example configuration to test emc if it works ok?
something like touch off except for tool lengths would be awesome
kwajstabo2: there are lots of example configurations... just type 'emc' to get a list of them
i did, but none of them works
what is the problem?
i found "max" sample works. For instance stepper-xyza doesnt work any more
kwajstabo2: what does 'none of them works' mean?
they don't start up? they do start up, but your machine doesn't move? something else?
it means that i get a lot of error messages
kwajstabo2: might be usefull if we could see them?
if its a bunch of stuff you can use http://pastebin.ca/
I could test the stepper-xyza sample with emc2.1.7, but i cant test this sample with 2.2...isn't this normal.
Werent the .ini files changed.
it wouldn't start for me either
saying "it won't work, help!" is not very useful information
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
Stopping realtime threads
Unloading hal components
that from the debug.txt
Starting HAL User Interface program: halui
Killing task emcsvr, PID=15990
Removing HAL_LIB, RTAPI, and Real Time OS modules
Removing NML shared memory segments
nothing from the terminal
alSMT: open a terminal, type "emc", select one of the sample configs
put all the text into pastebin.ca
oh yeah, people click on the little penguin dont they :0
maybe it should pop up a terminal which spews text everywhere
fenn: you should have drawn an uglier penguin
Ha my g/f always notes the penguin has a hammer and micrometer...
if I had a hammer..
alSMT: just to make sure.. you're not running an older config (one that emc2.1.7 might have copied into your home dir) ?
kwajstabo2: there is an error in the stepper-xyza configuration in version 2.2.1. it will be corrected in the next release
thanks for your report
alSMT: seems like I broke it.. sorry :)
no problem thanks guys
it still takes like 10 min plus for the ladder fully come up in the demo_step_cl for me its not a problem for me but just thought it was broke
10 min sounds like way too long
is your BASE_PERIOD low?
it works good in the configs for my machine after you help me yesterday
my base period in demo is 50000
i had way too much fun drawing that
sounds funny but when I load the gui and then not --nogui and then loadusr classicladder I have to close the ladder and then the Tkemc and ladder load no problem donooo
sorry loadusr -w classicladder - step_demo_cl.clp / loadusr classicladder
alSMT: The "-w" in "loadusr -w classicladder" means "wait until this program exits to continue with the instructions in the .hal file"
so if you start classicladder in a way that it doesn't exit right away, you must omit the -w or the rest of the commands in your hal file (and stuff that happens later, like displaying the tkemc gui) won't happen until you close the window.
hey I just through an empty file saned as gamepad.hal in the configs and it starts if youn just want to load it
thats for stepper xyza
Ok I got it to do it again G2G3 no motion ... http://imagebin.org/11850
jepler: it still take me a week to load it the ladder that is
Tried arcs both in g90 and g91 ij format
Clearing the plot didn't help this time, nor resetting f1f2
can you paste your program,ill run it in mine
I'm just repeating the same simple g2g3 command in mdi... making my z bracket
what you have in mdi doesnt look right
I loaded another .ngc file with arcs in it, ran it fine... works in mdi now too ....
x0y0 looks strange but works fine if I - is =radius
I also tried in g90 with values compensated and the same thing ...I didn't close emc just open another program ... same lines work fine in mdi now ...
ahh,was forgetting bout the g91
a parallel kinematic sculpture :D http://www.funonthenet.in/images/stories/forwards/Pencil
oh, stupid URL http://www.funonthenet.in/images/stories/forwards/Pencil%20Art/Pencil-Art-5.jpg
it could just be that i'm obsessed
Here's another image with same code working in mdi
[22:25:14] <skinnypuppy34> http://imagebin.org/11851
[22:27:46] <jlmjvm> http://imagebin.org/11852
heres a few arcs
some g18,19 stuff
I'll put all this together into one g-code file later tonight and cut some air and see if g2/3 drops out while running a program ... or just an mdi thing
Is there a simple way to google for terms in the texts of the chat archives ?
yes, google for site:linuxcnc.org
or use the search box on linuxcnc.org
hit me over the head
* toastyde1th womp
does it ever make sense on a cnc mill to use a countersink the way one would use it on a drill press? (just go straight down on the hole)
besides ease of programming
i mean, is it better than going around in a circle
I take it you mean a tapered countersink..
if it's a straight one either way works.. if you have the right dimension
fenn: I guess the speed of plunge vs the speed of making the circle..
vs the time it would take to change to a proper sized tool
and just plunge it..
fenn: you still have blender installed?
can you look at output (export) types?
haha okay i figured out why my program didnt work earlier
its because i accidentally truncated my brain
fenn: does it do anything solid 3d? (acis, iges, step?)
i should probably update my version of blender
fenn: does that make sense?
yeah i was just thinking it would be less prone to chatter if you went around in a circle, and it would make the cam algorithm a little easier
with a plunging mill it shouldnt make a difference
centre cutting or whatever they call it..
well, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice
i find it hard to believe a center-cutting end mill works just as well going straight down as it does in a helix
because it has to 'smoosh' the stuff in the center out of the way
bah.. they do plunge roughing all the time..
for lots of stuff..
arent those special bits?
center cutting mills definitely don't work as well going straight down
fenn: I dont know I dont do plunge roughing..
also there's no "lands" on an endmill like on a drill bit - that seems like it would make it chatter on the sides of the hole
also, if you are countersinking a already drilled hole you dont have anything in the centre ;)
apparently they usually use special plunge roughing tools, but you can do it (possibly more efficiently?) with a regular end-mill, as long as you dont go over half the diameter (so the center isnt pushing on anything)
tomorrow is grinding day ^_^
erm, not an end mill, a three flute round insert cutter
plunge roughing is fast as balls
toastyde1th: anything has gotta be faster than your "production lapping machine"
[23:38:47] <anonimasu> http://www.ofiengineering.se/News/DAPUtsidaKlar1.jpg
im jealous.. :P
[23:38:53] <anonimasu> http://www.ofiengineering.se/News/DAPInsida-LuftinSemi1.jpg
fenn: not machining at all is slower than my production lapping machine!
I can do 100 bogomops :P
anonimasu: those are some fancy pictures
ah yes, the extra fancy car engine
they are crazy about weight..
so they machine everything ;)
"saved 60g on this part"
and they have the skill...
tell him to get a gas turbine
fenn: now that's really runny when you go to a trackday..
or make one of these http://www.starrotor.com/Engine.htm
fenn: what's wrong with liking ic engines?
it's wasted effort
fenn: that was the most pointless thing I've heard in a long time
they're so highly refined there's no way to get significantly more specific power or efficiency
and its a stupid design to begin with
i mean, a plain journal crankshaft, come on..
at least use a scotch yoke or something
* anonimasu sighs
their machining rocks period.
now was there a need to have a stupid rant about what others like to do is pointless?
fenn: you can complain about theory all you want, but until someone puts into viable practice one of those experimental engines
i don't see what the point of dissing one of the most wildly sucessful engineering designs of all time is
it has nothing to do with the engineering and everything to do with market forces
complain all you want
sorry, i hate bad engineering
sorry, i hate dreamers with no execution
go do something then
i'd rather have a bad design that I can use than a theoretical design that stays on the drawing board indefinately
but for a race car?
it has nothing to do with practicality
fenn: did you somewhere miss the whole point?
fenn: it has everything to do with practicality
until someone proves one of those engines can win races, and win them better than the traditional design
nobody is going to care about it because it's too much risk for to little benifit
until someone does it, then nobody will do it
EXACTLY. So if you feel so strongly, stop whining about someone else's wildly popular design
and make your own to better it
fenn: I think you need to take a shower and think about why people do things..
because hey, if it's such a solid plan, you should have no problem finding investors
because they like doing them.
fenn: I dont think thoose guys give a shit about gas turbines.
even if they would give them more power..
maybe, maybe not
gas turbines were tried
i bet they dont even know what a gas turbine is
in both dragsters and road cars
toastyde1th: how did they fail hmm?
That new stepper config wizard is a nice start
slow throttle response
because they were banned from competing?
and becaues they fail spectacularly when they fail..
the power management from the engine was too difficult and cumbersome to implement in a race car
oh, all those complicated electronics oh my!
no, i mean getting the power to the wheels
in any way, period
do your goddamned research before spouting bullshit
hm. i think it's just unrefined
and here you go again
fenn: go make a better one..
"i like unicorns"
"we should all run our cars on unicorns"
Show me a practical unicorn!
"Nobody's made one yet!"
did you see the turbine indy car?
the chrysler turbine car
and read the driver interviews
ok that's a rocket, but it kicked the snot out of EVERYTHING
a rocket turbine
i know you like ignoring economics and want to just ENGINEER things
but please, do a little more research
how's it ignoring economics?
oh my god
go read what you've been saying the whole time
you sound like a fanatic
there have been multiple successful race cars incorporating turbine engines, and every time they were too successful and banned from competing
who has decided to selectively ignore reality while overemphasizing what you'd like to have happen
so have a grand time with your armchair engineering
i'm sure you'll make millions in monopoly dolars