#emc | Logs for 2007-09-28

[00:16:06] <fenn> what's a terminal client?
[00:18:43] <SWPadnos> somebody who hires you to kill them
[00:23:08] <fenn> this really came out of left field: http://www.gouget.org/druids/screenshots/dsurf1.jpg
[00:23:34] <SWPadnos> yeah - no kidding
[00:24:47] <jlmjvm> what program is that?
[00:25:07] <SWPadnos> it's one that a user just wrote and posted to the users list
[00:25:08] <fenn> michel gouget's "surfacing druid", it's brand new
[00:25:24] <SWPadnos> dies surfacing at the moment, and acts as GUI while doing it (or generates G-code)
[00:25:30] <SWPadnos> does, not dies
[00:25:35] <jlmjvm> didnt think i had ever seen it before
[00:25:51] <SWPadnos> as I said on the developer channel: holy cow!
[00:26:13] <jlmjvm> looks cool
[00:26:51] <jlmjvm> anybody ever heard of a trumpf laser?
[00:28:37] <fenn> its a major brand, somewhat cheaper than ferranti i guess
[00:31:17] <jlmjvm> i had never heard of it before,met a machinery dealer today that carries that line
[00:33:41] <jlmjvm> may get to go to a service school for them
[00:53:52] <fenn> for those trying to compile the surfacing druid, you need to apt-get install libxpm-dev libfltk1.1-dev fluid, and you need to use an emc2.1* branch
[00:55:03] <Adam1_> Hello
[00:57:45] <skunkworks> Adam1_: how is it going>
[00:58:06] <Adam1_> great
[00:58:13] <Adam1_> I think I am finally done...
[00:58:35] <skunkworks> Nice
[00:58:46] <skunkworks> did you do the 1 button zeroing?
[00:59:14] <Adam1_> not going to bother.
[00:59:32] <Adam1_> its easy enough to just restart axis
[00:59:48] <Adam1_> not as nice but it works every time
[01:01:26] <skunkworks> you don't want to use touchoff?
[01:02:58] <skunkworks> Adam1_: you got the scales/servos tuned to your satifaction?
[01:03:20] <Adam1_> yeah tuning is enough for our application
[01:03:30] <skunkworks> good
[01:03:57] <Adam1_> 0.001 at 150ipm
[01:04:00] <Adam1_> error that is
[01:04:02] <skunkworks> nice
[01:04:15] <skunkworks> are you going to add a z?
[01:04:16] <Adam1_> wasnt fun getting that
[01:04:31] <Adam1_> Yeah I am picking up the quill kit from purolator tommorow
[01:04:35] <skunkworks> The little bit of pid tuning I have done - I believe it.
[01:04:59] <Adam1_> actually its the entire retrofit kit, we are snipin the quill, servo and drive from it.
[01:05:06] <Adam1_> and parting out the rest
[01:05:23] <Adam1_> So there will be some nice big servos and drives for sale
[01:05:31] <skunkworks> sounds like a plan :)
[01:06:28] <jlmjvm_> what kinda servos?
[01:08:04] <Adam1_> SEM 140V, 3.2NM, 30A, 3400 RPM, 9.5V/1000RPM Tacho.
[01:08:20] <Adam1_> Drives to match
[01:08:50] <jlmjvm_> what size shaft and length?
[01:09:11] <Adam1_> shaft is 1inch long by 5/8 I believe.
[01:09:19] <Adam1_> Not 100% on that
[01:09:28] <jlmjvm_> 5/8 is what i need
[01:09:37] <Adam1_> maybe 1.5 long
[01:09:43] <Adam1_> I can measure up when they are here
[01:10:25] <Adam1_> I am in B.C. where are you jlmjvm?
[01:10:39] <jlmjvm_> huntsville,al
[01:11:00] <Adam1_> well could be worse for distance
[01:11:23] <jlmjvm_> on the same side of the world
[01:12:28] <Adam1_> well if the dims. work out, we can try and work out a deal.
[01:12:42] <jlmjvm_> how many you got?
[01:12:44] <Adam1_> rather sell to you guys
[01:12:50] <Adam1_> will have 2
[01:13:10] <Adam1_> what would you put them on?
[01:13:56] <jlmjvm_> fixing to have 3 boss bridgeports,series2,i think mine is sold
[01:14:32] <Adam1_> oh yeah so maybe even the mounting hardware could work for you
[01:14:42] <Adam1_> its coming off a bridgeport style machine
[01:14:56] <jlmjvm_> what kinda machine?
[01:15:26] <Adam1_> not sure what model
[01:15:40] <Adam1_> but it use the same hardware as my knockoff J-head
[01:15:49] <jlmjvm_> k
[01:15:56] <Adam1_> and there are 2 patterns on the brackets i think
[01:16:13] <SWPadnos> Adam1_, was that a manual machine or a CNC?
[01:16:32] <Adam1_> mine was an old retrofit, Anilam crusader M
[01:16:35] <SWPadnos> the mounting pattern forthe BOSS is quite different from a manual machine
[01:16:36] <SWPadnos> ok
[01:16:55] <Adam1_> well if it works they are here
[01:16:56] <SWPadnos> though the motor is probably still a NEMA42
[01:17:11] <SWPadnos> I may be interested in one or two, if jlmjvm_ can't use them
[01:17:28] <Adam1_> ok
[01:17:30] <Adam1_> I have to go.
[01:17:32] <jlmjvm_> cool
[01:17:34] <Adam1_> later guys
[01:17:38] <jlmjvm_> later
[01:17:41] <SWPadnos> see ya
[01:18:09] <jlmjvm_> SWPadnos:I got the old hurco moving today
[01:18:14] <SWPadnos> cool
[01:18:30] <jlmjvm_> no smoke so far
[01:18:44] <jlmjvm_> still gotta do the vfd
[01:38:13] <fenn> bleh. so you have to compile fltk2.0 from source
[01:41:41] <skunkworks> fenn: your stating to sound like a windows user..
[01:41:45] <skunkworks> starting
[01:41:56] <fenn> * fenn hugs his apt
[01:42:05] <fenn> dont listen to him, little guy
[01:42:10] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: he IS a windows user
[01:42:20] <fenn> x-windows
[01:42:30] <fenn> not ex-windows, i never used that crap
[01:42:56] <skunkworks> oh - whatever - everyone knows bill gates invented windows.
[01:43:25] <fenn> yep iirc he was working in al gore's secret research lab
[01:43:48] <fenn> the one with all the tubes
[01:44:42] <JymmmEMC> and the internet
[01:46:07] <fenn> um, ok, so compiling fltk2.0 didnt help any..
[01:46:32] <JymmmEMC> fenn: apt doens't have a compile function
[01:51:07] <fenn> so?
[01:51:14] <fenn> compiling is for nerds
[01:51:24] <fenn> especially library dependencies
[01:51:37] <JymmmEMC> fenn: then why you compiling huh huh huh'
[01:51:47] <fenn> coz i'm a nerd?
[01:51:52] <JymmmEMC> HA!
[01:52:02] <JymmmEMC> Hippo Crit
[01:52:20] <JymmmEMC> no apt-make for you!
[01:52:27] <fenn> the next ubuntu was going to be hungry hippo, but they changed it :(
[01:52:35] <JymmmEMC> bummer
[01:52:45] <JymmmEMC> wth?!
[01:53:10] <JymmmEMC> known_hosts is not clear test for ip address
[01:53:13] <JymmmEMC> text
[01:54:02] <fenn> it appears to be public keys of some sort
[01:54:40] <JymmmEMC> I tossed up another server a la dhcp, different keys of course, but I cna't ssh in and I can't reset/clear the existing one
[01:55:09] <fenn> just delete known_hosts
[01:55:26] <JymmmEMC> I just want to delete the one.
[01:55:35] <fenn> or copy <mumble> from the old server to the new one
[01:55:37] <JymmmEMC> the others are verified
[01:56:24] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, so you're trying to connect to a host but its fingerprint has changed and SSH won't let you?
[01:57:10] <Ziegler> accept the new fingerprint
[01:57:30] <fenn> Yes, do as I say!
[01:57:49] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: correct
[01:57:54] <SWPadnos> ok
[03:18:29] <fenn> gawd that's a long feature list for 2.2
[03:19:38] <SWPadnos> it's been building up pressure for a while
[03:25:44] <skunkworks> she's going to blow..
[04:32:47] <toast__> toast__ is now known as toastydeath
[06:06:01] <toast> toast is now known as toastydeath
[15:00:07] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[15:16:49] <Adam1_> Hellllo
[15:43:33] <lerneaen_hydra> anyone know how to configure mdadm?
[16:53:05] <dmes1> hi all
[17:01:17] <Adam1> hey guys, Do you have an suggestions for a z-axis rotary encoder? I have a .250in shaft from my ballscrew that is asking for one.
[17:07:18] <skunkworks_> I think automation direct has good prices on encoders
[17:07:57] <skunkworks_> or usdigital
[17:09:25] <Adam1> what kind of PPR?
[17:09:28] <Adam1> maximum
[17:09:30] <Adam1> I can get 2500
[17:10:06] <SWPadnos> how fast do you expect to turn the screw?
[17:10:14] <SWPadnos> and what are you using to read the encoder?
[17:11:04] <Adam1> I have a 5i20, and 7i33
[17:11:18] <SWPadnos> ok, so read speed shouldn't be an issue
[17:11:29] <Adam1> Ill max it out then no price difference
[17:11:44] <SWPadnos> if you have a 5TPI screw, then you'll be getting 50000 counts/inch
[17:12:11] <Adam1> to much of a good thing?
[17:12:17] <SWPadnos> could be :)
[17:12:41] <SWPadnos> the faster the counts need to go, the higher the frequency your cabling needs to support
[17:12:42] <Adam1> yeah its a 5tpi screw
[17:12:54] <Adam1> what would you suggest?
[17:13:03] <SWPadnos> which also means you can't filter as much noise - it may be more susceptible to RF noise
[17:13:13] <Adam1> I am thinking around 250 maybe
[17:13:19] <SWPadnos> I don't know - just pointing out some things for you to consider
[17:15:08] <Adam1> so how does 2500PPR correlate to 50000cpi
[17:15:23] <Adam1> i would have thought it would give me 12500cpi
[17:16:35] <SWPadnos> 2500 should be the cycles per rev, you get 4 times as many edges as there are cycles
[17:17:08] <SWPadnos> unless it's 625 CPR, which would be very strange
[17:17:35] <mgouget> Hello!
[17:17:55] <Adam1> oh ok
[17:18:01] <SWPadnos> hi Michel
[17:18:04] <Adam1> something to do with quadrature?
[17:18:08] <SWPadnos> nice job on that druid :)
[17:18:19] <SWPadnos> Adam1, yes - QUAD-rature :)
[17:18:29] <SWPadnos> four parts per cycle
[17:18:50] <mgouget> Thanks! I wanted to get some feedback about my Druid...
[17:18:53] <Adam1> well I have to choices 100PPR and 360PPR
[17:18:57] <Adam1> two
[17:19:07] <SWPadnos> I haven't had a chance to try it, but I like the look so far
[17:19:31] <SWPadnos> save the 360 for spindle
[17:19:44] <SWPadnos> gives you 1 or 1/4 degree orientation with no error
[17:19:45] <Adam1> Thoose are what automation direct has in stock
[17:19:54] <SWPadnos> usdigital probably has more in stock
[17:24:07] <Adam1> ever sweat out garlic, not smelling to hot over here
[17:24:21] <SWPadnos> thank you very much for that information
[17:24:26] <Adam1> haha
[17:24:36] <SWPadnos> and yes, I have :)
[17:24:55] <SWPadnos> one of the local supermarkets has an olive bar where they also have other pickled things
[17:25:27] <SWPadnos> my favorite is pickled garlic - it's basically garlic cloves that are soaked in oil with hot peppers. mmmm - tasty
[17:25:53] <SWPadnos> (and the marinated artichokes and mushrooms are darned good too)
[17:41:22] <fenn> mgouget: should be $LD_LIBRARY_PATH not $(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
[17:42:10] <mgouget> fenn: you are correct; I mixed makefile and shell :(
[17:42:34] <fenn> now that i have dsurf running, i get: dremc_connect: Error at dremc.cxx:1503.
[17:42:36] <fenn> Can't connect to ''
[17:44:14] <fenn> oh, i have to pick an .ini
[17:44:49] <mgouget> fenn: seems like you have not selected your .ini file
[17:46:13] <Adam1> ok who wants some servos
[17:46:32] <Adam1> with Renco encoders already installed
[17:46:38] <Adam1> and matching drives
[17:46:45] <fenn> * fenn pictures Adam1 being swarmed with squealing middle-aged men
[17:48:18] <Adam1> pictures coming up in a short bit
[17:53:58] <fenn> mgouget: i'd like to point out that your program does alternating conventional/climb passes
[17:55:03] <fenn> otherwise you would have to start in the center and do a spiral
[17:56:26] <mgouget> Fenn you are correct; for the first version, I wanted to play it simple, as there were many many other problems to solve first...
[17:56:39] <fenn> right, it looks like you've got a good start
[17:58:09] <mgouget> fenn, I wrote a command-line C program which does spiral pocketing. I can put it on the web site if you want.
[17:59:40] <fenn> ok. have you seen these? http://pico-systems.com/gcode.html
[18:02:42] <mgouget> fenn: that was a source of inspiration. Unfortunalely, everything is only in inches...
[18:03:09] <SWPadnos> it should work for mm if you replace G20/G21 codes
[18:03:22] <SWPadnos> it should be unitless internally (I hope)
[18:03:36] <fenn> actually there's no G20 :0
[18:03:52] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:04:13] <SWPadnos> I think the prompts / screens just say inches, but the generated code should be dimensionless
[18:04:45] <SWPadnos> there's also "cp1" or cp2 or whatever it's up to
[18:04:58] <SWPadnos> I think that's in the emc repository (module emc instead of emc2)
[18:05:05] <fenn> i found cp1 rather hard to understand
[18:05:30] <SWPadnos> oh sure, but there are a lot of operations that are great candidates for a druid :)
[18:06:05] <SWPadnos> hmmm "Dialogs Reducing User Indecision/Drooling" ??
[18:06:14] <fenn> woah plain 'cd' returns you to your home directory
[18:06:23] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:07:30] <mgouget> The next druid I want do develop will be a Probing druid, able to go at a corner or middle of a round, rectangle or pipe stock, with probe calibration.
[18:08:25] <JymmmEMC> mgouget: Nah, make a fermentation druid, then a distilation one
[18:12:45] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos can make his own donut druid
[18:13:33] <mgouget> JymmmEMC: I am a knight of the brotherhood of scotch wisky tasters, and a proud member of the Mc Kinlay clan !!!
[18:14:24] <JymmmEMC> mgouget: So what you're trying to say is you already have 100 druid in operation as it is
[18:14:45] <fenn> * fenn goes to make a banana smoothie druid
[18:19:14] <JymmmEMC> fenn: dont forget the tofu
[18:19:53] <JymmmEMC> and pepper flakes
[18:21:58] <mgouget> fenn: the program is here: http://www.gouget.org/druids/download/pocket.c
[18:29:39] <Adam1> http://review-space.dgbremner.com/gallery/index.php
[18:30:18] <JymmmEMC> "Cute" http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=377018#
[18:31:09] <SWPadnos> Adam1, do you have a close-up of the pinout of the servo connector?
[18:31:10] <Adam1> lets have an auction
[18:31:33] <Adam1> I have a the other connector
[18:31:47] <SWPadnos> I'm curious as to whether it matches mine or not
[18:31:52] <Adam1> you get both sides of the connection
[18:32:01] <SWPadnos> I'm still curious :)
[18:32:20] <Adam1> ok
[18:32:52] <SWPadnos> if you look at the end of the connector, it'll havea number, like 12-9P or something. if you tell me the number, I can tell you if they match
[18:33:00] <SWPadnos> or a photo :)
[18:35:37] <Adam1> 34-7p
[18:35:39] <Adam1> 24
[18:35:46] <SWPadnos> ok, that matches :)
[18:35:50] <SWPadnos> I wonder if the pinout is the same
[18:35:50] <JymmmEMC> Sounds like a Barbie doll
[18:37:14] <Adam1> so what do you think
[18:37:20] <Adam1> sexy stuff hey
[18:37:37] <JymmmEMC> you did a nice job wiring the cabinet
[18:37:41] <SWPadnos> it looks nice. which parts are you selling?
[18:37:46] <Adam1> all of it
[18:37:50] <SWPadnos> oh
[18:37:53] <Adam1> except the quill kit and 1 drive
[18:38:07] <SWPadnos> do you have mauals (or preferably a link to online manuals)?
[18:38:11] <SWPadnos> manuals
[18:38:27] <Adam1> we could find links for the drives I bet
[18:38:42] <SWPadnos> I just did a search and didn't turn up much
[18:41:39] <Adam1> ok i put the new pics up
[18:41:47] <SWPadnos> I see that. it's the right connector all right
[18:43:50] <SWPadnos> hmmm. looks like single-ended encoders
[18:46:34] <SWPadnos> if you can get me a sheet that shows the pinout of the connector, I'd appreciate it
[18:46:49] <SWPadnos> of course, I should ask what kind of prices you'll be lloking for first :)
[18:46:53] <SWPadnos> lookin
[18:46:55] <SWPadnos> looking
[18:47:41] <JymmmEMC> One Dollar! One Dollar! One Dollar!
[18:48:35] <SWPadnos> sold!
[18:48:37] <SWPadnos> bought!
[18:49:01] <JymmmEMC> Shipping: $4,325,345.23 USD
[18:49:36] <cradek> bizarre to see single-ended encoders on there
[18:50:28] <SWPadnos> yeah, it is a little odd
[18:50:37] <SWPadnos> the cables are probably very well shielded though
[18:51:07] <SWPadnos> and of course they made the encoder interface board as well, so they're expecting you to connect to known hardware with a known cable
[18:52:11] <SWPadnos> speaking of cables, I had a fun time seeing the length of a cable on a scope, and the difference in waveforms at each end
[18:52:31] <SWPadnos> it's kind of weird to look at the two ends of one wire and see different waveforms
[18:52:44] <Adam1> SWPadnos new pics of the drives are up
[18:52:49] <SWPadnos> ok
[18:52:49] <JymmmEMC> This is on a HP LCD monitor... Supports High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) to prevent transmission of non-encrypted High Definition content
[18:52:54] <archivist> tdr on cables is entertaining
[18:53:03] <SWPadnos> yeah
[18:53:15] <archivist> and connectors
[18:53:44] <cradek> JymmmEMC: just decline to buy that kind of thing
[18:54:20] <JymmmEMC> cradek: Yeah, no doubt... but I still dont get wth their talking about.
[18:54:47] <SWPadnos> encrypted video - yay!
[18:54:56] <JymmmEMC> If it sees a HD signal, it won't display it?
[18:54:57] <cradek> it has some "features" that cause it to sometimes not work and then you have to reinstall drivers and buy new versions of windows and stuff like that
[18:55:06] <cradek> so ... decline
[18:55:07] <JymmmEMC> cradek: oh gawd
[18:55:21] <SWPadnos> so you can't record stuff by sticking something like a VCR between the tuner/computer and the "TV"
[18:55:46] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: oh, the old macrovision crap?
[18:55:48] <SWPadnos> actually, it will show HD signals, but what it does it it allows you to watch stuff from an HDCP source
[18:56:12] <SWPadnos> if you have a Blu-Ray drive that's got HDCP, it will refuse to play movies on a non-HDCP monitor
[18:56:18] <Adam1> SWpadnos Here is the drive manual http://www.glentek.com/images/manuals/sma7215manreva.pdf
[18:56:30] <SWPadnos> an HDCP monitor will play back "protected" or unprotected content just fine
[18:56:41] <SWPadnos> ah, aa glentek. thanks
[18:56:45] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: eeeesh.
[18:56:58] <SWPadnos> yes
[18:57:05] <SWPadnos> as cradek said, don't buy one :)
[18:57:41] <JymmmEMC> It's was a HP pc/lcd bundle, but seeing something like that... forget it.
[18:57:58] <JymmmEMC> Not that I really want to buy a hp/compaq system anyway
[18:58:10] <SWPadnos> oh, and it's not jus Windows, it's Snoy and others as well - I have no doubt that many new digital players (like DVD, HD-DVD, HD set-top boxes, etc) will require HDCP for hi-def content
[18:58:19] <SWPadnos> snoy
[18:58:29] <SWPadnos> that's sipposed to be sony (but I like snoy better :) )
[18:58:31] <SWPadnos> supposed
[18:58:57] <cradek> SWPadnos: what's wrong with your typing?
[18:58:59] <Adam1> they started that wlak man thing didnt they?
[18:59:04] <SWPadnos> it sucks
[18:59:06] <JymmmEMC> I remember reading that Sony (or snoy) refuses to have p0rn on blu-ray too
[18:59:30] <cradek> good thing I don't feel like I need any of that crap
[19:00:31] <JymmmEMC> cradek: you might not need it, but if you are distributing it it might be another story, or even some other content that snoy doens't like.
[19:00:50] <lerman> But who gets to decide what is porn?
[19:00:53] <SWPadnos> once blu-ray recorders hit the market, they won't have a choice ;)
[19:01:13] <JymmmEMC> lerman Sony's three floors of lawyers
[19:01:37] <JymmmEMC> players are still $300 range.
[19:01:43] <cradek> JymmmEMC: by crap I mean high-def movies and blu-ray players etc
[19:01:57] <cradek> (I sure don't have anything against porn)
[19:02:06] <JymmmEMC> lol
[19:02:14] <cradek> heck high-def porn might not be an improvement.
[19:02:19] <JymmmEMC> Well, when you get into 42" or larger display, it helps
[19:02:20] <lerman> BTW: Sony is one of the companies that regard their customers' privacy so little that I get spam to an address that I gave only to sony.
[19:03:03] <lerman> My wife received porn spam sent to an address that was only given to Borders.
[19:03:14] <JymmmEMC> lerman come on man, even your bank gives out your personal information... and if someone find it, and reports that, they do crap about it.
[19:03:32] <SWPadnos> at least they get to releive themselves
[19:03:56] <lerman> [Sorry for the rant. Back to your regularly scheduled program.]
[19:06:44] <Adam1> yeah enough already someone write me a check :p
[19:07:21] <JymmmEMC> Pay to the order of: Adam1 $1.00 USD
[19:07:41] <cradek> I would be much more interested if I had ended up with a stepper mill like I originally planned
[19:07:58] <JymmmEMC> One Dollar & 00%100
[19:07:59] <Adam1> 1.00 sold
[19:08:07] <JymmmEMC> with free shipping
[19:08:12] <Adam1> but you pay alot for shipping
[19:08:26] <maddash> psht. I'd prefer 1EU to 1USD
[19:08:31] <JymmmEMC> too slow biotch!
[19:10:05] <JymmmEMC> btw... I'm Christmas shopping already.
[19:11:26] <JymmmEMC> I just can't find the phone I want to buy =(
[19:12:00] <SWPadnos> well, I've got to get back to work. Adam1 - if you decide on some pricing, let me know. you can email me at spadnos at sover net
[19:12:14] <Adam1> ok
[19:18:12] <maddash> omg omg omg
[19:18:13] <maddash> http://nsa.unaligned.org/hw.php
[19:18:57] <fenn> the end of the internet as we know it? or just another fad
[19:20:13] <fenn> well at least we know they'll never crack the GPS encryption key
[19:20:25] <fenn> it's several gigabytes long
[19:20:55] <JymmmEMC> it uses PKI actually
[19:21:57] <fenn> er, so?
[19:22:04] <JymmmEMC> fenn: assuming your tlaking about SPI
[19:22:28] <JymmmEMC> err PPS
[19:22:35] <fenn> you're throwing around too many acronyms for me
[19:23:03] <JymmmEMC> fenn: then you not too familure with GPS encryption then.
[19:23:19] <fenn> yes
[19:24:04] <JymmmEMC> yes what?
[19:24:16] <fenn> i'm not too familiar with gps encryption
[19:24:23] <JymmmEMC> o-tay panky!
[19:25:42] <JymmmEMC> fenn: Especially not being a citizen, I'd hope not =)
[19:25:58] <JymmmEMC> or the NSa ain't doing theri job right (again)
[19:26:49] <JymmmEMC> (nuttin person mind ya)
[19:26:53] <JymmmEMC> personal
[19:27:03] <fenn> it doesn't matter much anyway, since "selective availability" is useless
[19:27:17] <JymmmEMC> I'm not talking SA at all
[19:27:21] <fenn> unless you're in a spaceship or somethin
[19:28:22] <fenn> what are you talking about then?
[19:29:19] <JymmmEMC> as the saying goes... If I tell ya, I'd have to kill ya.
[19:29:24] <fenn> oh whatever
[19:35:12] <fenn> i wonder if you can make a brushed motor go faster without destroying the brushes if you put a capacitor on the rotor to absorb the inductive current
[19:35:52] <fenn> multiple capacitors
[19:47:19] <skunkworks_> rpm rated caps ;)
[19:47:27] <Adam1> anyone interested in a 6in glass scale? made by anilam 2540 resolution
[19:47:54] <Adam1> quad ttl
[19:48:00] <Adam1> works great
[19:48:33] <Adam1> amphenol connectors about 20ft of armor cable
[19:48:52] <fenn> and a big box of goodies
[19:51:46] <Adam1> I will hand deliver and sing a song when you open the door
[20:07:53] <JymmmEMC> wonder if this 1U will still sound like a banchee with the cover on....
[20:09:08] <JymmmEMC> Yep, though a tad better
[20:19:11] <dmess> hi all
[20:19:44] <dmess> how can i chk permissions on a serial port??
[20:20:06] <JymmmEMC> look at /dev/
[20:22:01] <fenn> ls -l /dev/ttyS*
[20:22:54] <dmess> DOH.... im looking for what TTY port i have an x10 controler on... it reports LOTSA tty ports
[20:23:25] <JymmmEMC> firecracker?
[20:23:39] <dmess> no rs232
[20:23:49] <JymmmEMC> firecracker IS rs232
[20:24:06] <dmess> really.. i thought it was usb
[20:24:13] <JymmmEMC> nope
[20:24:21] <JymmmEMC> even has a serial pass-thru too
[20:24:33] <dmess> hmm
[20:24:46] <dmess> work for you??
[20:25:07] <alex_joni> hi all
[20:25:09] <JymmmEMC> dmess: Under M$, yeah, no problems at all. Havne't tried it under nix
[20:25:09] <dmess> i have permission errors is all with heyu..
[20:25:20] <JymmmEMC> dmess: try as root
[20:25:31] <JymmmEMC> if that resolves your issue, then you know it's a perms thing
[20:25:38] <dmess> i see... i wanna set a nix system with cams...
[20:26:08] <JymmmEMC> oh, cam, I was talking home automation
[20:26:12] <dmess> so wify or i can look in on the kids or each other anytime...
[20:26:17] <JymmmEMC> turn on/off/dimm lights
[20:26:29] <dmess> also that
[20:27:26] <dmess> yes... got a nifty remote... in the start up kit i ordered at 3:00pm yesterday and was on my door by 7:10 am this morning
[20:27:56] <JymmmEMC> how is the camera?
[20:27:56] <dmess> fairies flew it im sure..
[20:28:14] <dmess> no i didnt buy the cam yet..
[20:28:46] <JymmmEMC> Then what DID you buy?
[20:28:52] <dmess> just some modules and an interface i cant make worke.. but im scared of..
[20:29:05] <JymmmEMC> try as root yet?
[20:29:09] <JymmmEMC> sudo su
[20:29:09] <dmess> yes..
[20:29:43] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS0
[20:29:43] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 65 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS1
[20:29:43] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 74 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS10
[20:29:43] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 75 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS11
[20:29:43] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 76 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS12
[20:29:44] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 77 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS13
[20:29:44] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 78 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS14
[20:29:48] <dmess> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 79 2007-09-28 09:47 /dev/ttyS15
[20:30:03] <JymmmEMC> well, dont you know which port you plugged it into ?
[20:30:10] <dmess> partial list.. its all the same just different ttys's
[20:30:36] <dmess> the only 1 on this machine... sould be 0
[20:30:51] <JymmmEMC> one external, any internal?
[20:31:19] <dmess> probably.... its a p3 board
[20:31:41] <alex_joni> http://www.gatago.com/alt/machines/cnc/17894029.html
[20:31:44] <alex_joni> ouch
[20:31:46] <dmess> might have to go to doz and chk...
[20:32:13] <JymmmEMC> or just terminal to the port and try talking to it
[20:33:02] <dmess> how so... in intrieged... old shool we go
[20:33:18] <JymmmEMC> I have no idea under nix
[20:33:34] <JymmmEMC> what's the url for the product?
[20:33:51] <fenn> cat /dev/ttyS0 ; echo 'foo' /dev/ttyS0
[20:33:54] <dmess> x10.com
[20:33:54] <fenn> er
[20:34:00] <fenn> echo 'foo' > /dev/ttyS0
[20:34:19] <fenn> or you can use kermit
[20:36:06] <dmess> it isnt pukinking back errors.. but hasn done anything can i just send off a2 ???
[20:36:16] <fenn> ckermit is the debian package name
[20:36:20] <dmess> or need it be binary??
[20:36:33] <JymmmEMC> screen /dev/ttyS0 19200 vt100
[20:36:45] <fenn> screen?
[20:37:18] <fenn> hey thanks for locking up my terminal jymmm
[20:37:22] <JymmmEMC> but try 9600 instead of 19200
[20:37:50] <JymmmEMC> fenn: if you dumb enough to type something random on your comouter that you saw on the internet....
[20:37:58] <dmess> mine didnt puke but thought about it
[20:38:14] <JymmmEMC> fenn: and do you have anything on the serial port?
[20:38:18] <fenn> everything i type on my computer is something i saw on the internet...
[20:38:32] <dmess> btw i didnt tye it... cut/past... soooo bad
[20:38:55] <fenn> ^ak kills it
[20:39:14] <dmess> ^ak
[20:39:19] <fenn> control-a then k
[20:40:19] <JymmmEMC> didn't lock up on me fenn, I suspect PEBKAC
[20:40:44] <dmess> in dos it was fdisk -mbr that was always fun...
[20:41:27] <JymmmEMC> dmess: So, what is the DIRECT url to the product you bought?
[20:42:43] <JymmmEMC> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ncherry/common/cm17a.html
[20:42:51] <dmess> http://www.aartech.ca/product_info.php/products_id/157/CK11A.html
[20:43:48] <dmess> didnt know you were into this... id have asked before i buyed..
[20:45:02] <dmess> the pc interface is branded rca?? good or bad??
[20:45:18] <JymmmEMC> it's all made by X10, just rebranded
[20:45:41] <dmess> i see
[20:45:50] <JymmmEMC> http://www.zoneminder.com/
[20:46:19] <JymmmEMC> http://dir.filewatcher.com/d/Ubuntu/all/electronics/x10-automate_1.00-7_all.deb.101074.html
[20:46:19] <dmess> any trouble with aluminum wiring??
[20:46:52] <JymmmEMC> other than a fire hazard?
[20:47:17] <JymmmEMC> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/electronics/x10-automate
[20:47:31] <JymmmEMC> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/electronics/x10
[20:47:59] <JymmmEMC> Those seem to require universe, so if not already uncomment in sources and update.
[20:51:20] <JymmmEMC> dmess: fwiw, this is what I got eons ago for $20 http://www.x10.com/automation/firecracker.htm
[20:51:24] <dmess> brb..
[20:51:29] <JymmmEMC> bought at Fry's
[20:54:52] <alex_joni> g'night
[20:55:24] <JymmmEMC> laters alex
[20:58:30] <JymmmEMC> Hmmm, SMART test not showing up in ps aux, will wait 30m like it said.
[21:00:56] <fenn> I keep hitting "Esc" -- but I'm still here!
[21:01:40] <skunkworks_> tgif
[21:01:50] <skunkworks_> (goodness)
[21:03:14] <JymmmEMC> fenn: You can run, but you can't hide!
[21:09:40] <JymmmEMC> So, is everyone using ubuntu? Or any other distros?
[21:10:25] <JymmmEMC> That's one thing that's kinda bugged me.... they install things I may never use... I just found w3m installed... a text browser.
[21:10:51] <cradek> no distribution will have exactly the programs you want, and none that you don't
[21:10:59] <cradek> so just uninstall w3m and be happy
[21:11:32] <cradek> in all seriousness, that's why there's a good package manager, to let everyone pick the packages that make them happy
[21:11:52] <JymmmEMC> It's so small no big deal. but my ubuntu desktop box has sound player installed and all the extras, but there's no sound card in the system and it will NOT let you uninstall it.
[21:12:11] <JymmmEMC> If you DO uninstall it, it will uninstall gnome too
[21:12:29] <ds2> w3m is the best thing since slice bread!
[21:12:31] <JymmmEMC> (I actually tried that long ago)
[21:13:06] <JymmmEMC> but if I dont evne know it exists (used to using links or lynx), then why bother installing it.
[21:13:23] <ds2> w3m renders tables and some frames
[21:13:32] <ds2> links and lynx didn't do that AFAIK
[21:13:40] <JymmmEMC> but whois is NOT install,
[21:13:41] <cradek> links has nice table support
[21:14:07] <cradek> it has some support for frames I think, you pick the frame you want
[21:14:41] <JymmmEMC> I only found w3m becasue I was playing with the find command or I would have never known about it.
[21:14:56] <ds2> they have improved links I see
[21:15:42] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, gnome-core requires sound, but xfce probably doesn't
[21:15:58] <SWPadnos> so you could still have all the apps and the GUI, but without sound
[21:16:01] <SWPadnos> (I think)
[21:16:59] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: I don't recall debain removing gnome when I wanted to remove totem
[21:17:24] <SWPadnos> whichever - I dunno
[21:18:44] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: It just bugs me that crap is installed even if I might never use it. that's all =)
[21:22:38] <JymmmEMC> smartctl -l selftest /dev/hda
[21:28:58] <dmess> hey JymmmEMC: can we talk i private channel about x10??
[21:32:40] <dmess> do i nee a full reboot??
[21:32:46] <dmess> need
[21:38:19] <Adam1> anyone know how to remove the feed lever assembly on a bridgeport?
[21:38:33] <ds2> feed lever?
[21:39:10] <Adam1> and the trip plunger
[21:40:32] <Adam1> auto feed lever
[21:40:39] <Adam1> fwd/rev one
[21:40:55] <ds2> Oh the power feed thing
[21:41:06] <ds2> never seen it come off other then with the box
[21:41:26] <Adam1> I need to remove all that crap for my quill kit
[21:43:18] <JymmmEMC> dmess: sure, but I'm not sure how much help I can be
[21:43:45] <dmess> leme rebott first... brb
[21:44:32] <JymmmEMC> so, does anyone else have SMART installed by chance?
[21:55:01] <fenn> "He told me about a guy whos job was drilling tiny holes,
[21:55:01] <fenn> never bigger than 1/16" dia. One day he just keeled over dead, and
[21:55:01] <fenn> nobody knew why until they x-rayed his body and found a broken drill
[21:55:05] <fenn> about 1/32" dia. in his neck."
[21:55:30] <dmessier> ikkses
[21:55:33] <fenn> talk about bad mojo
[21:57:25] <dmessier> i heard/seen .. a guy came in to polish a bathtub die..... never got out of it.... the press creeped till he was stuck....
[21:58:16] <dmessier> they came in in the morning and cycled the press.... to find hin...
[22:35:26] <dmess> back
[22:37:12] <dmess> still cant open permissions on tty line..
[22:41:08] <fenn> here's one for you amateur radio operators: http://www.gatago.com/cgi-bin/det.pl?type=article&object=18393259
[22:45:16] <JymmmEMC> fenn: WTF?!
[22:46:13] <JymmmEMC> captcha
[22:46:28] <fenn> ya enter the letters, silly
[22:46:33] <fenn> its case sensitive too
[22:47:24] <fenn> i think its funny that you can 'spoof' a captcha by setting up your own site and making people fill out captcha requests for another site
[22:55:39] <JymmmEMC> fenn: that's EAXCLTY what I thought you were giving a link to
[22:56:00] <JymmmEMC> fenn: But there are ways to prevent that too
[22:57:59] <archivist> fenn old joke
[22:58:18] <archivist> was a bricklayer joke
[22:58:23] <JymmmEMC> saw that on MythBusters too... but it was a barrel of bricks
[22:58:55] <archivist> barrel of brick has been around since waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayback
[22:59:02] <JymmmEMC> I hate mucking with sulfuric acid
[22:59:08] <archivist> 1960's or older
[22:59:45] <JymmmEMC> even with gloves and baking soda on hand
[23:00:42] <JymmmEMC> bah, brb.... need to wash with backing soda again...
[23:04:30] <JymmmEMC> much better.... no more burning
[23:07:12] <archivist> fun, I spent some time working at an anodising company, sulfuric and caustic vats
[23:09:53] <JymmmEMC> I've sorta sensative to acid even jumper cables
[23:11:11] <JymmmEMC> I always keep baking soda on hand for that reason
[23:11:29] <archivist> we had 20+foot long heated vats of the stuff, you dont catch colds while working in that atmosphere
[23:12:31] <JymmmEMC> or WISH you did anyway
[23:35:54] <dmess> hi all
[23:36:12] <dmess> sound caustic...
[23:45:12] <JymmmEMC> now THIS is caustic... http://sfgate.com//flat/archive/2007/09/24/chronicle/archive/2007/09/24/MN8TSAIM4.html