Jymmm: yes, that's how it should be -- dim if you haven't loaded a file, available if you have loaded a file
Quiet in here.... wth, ppl spending time eating with familys?! the nerve!!!!
I think the feature is new in emc 2.1.x, are you using an older version?
jepler: Ok, maybe I just wans't paying attention.
[00:02:15] <chr0n1c> http://www.brielcomputers.com/replica1.html
i was checking that out
jepler: I'm taking the pc to work tonight, so I'll look more then
going to try to removes extras, like CUPS, bluetooth, etc
can i remove rsync?
i did the same thing the other day
but i didn't know what was too much
so i stopped
rsynce you can unless you are syncing data between two machines
what about the hp printing stuff?
i thought that would be safe but left it
if you NEVER plan on printing from that machine
even if the printer is on another machine
i could stil print to a file?
if so i can always print on the winders box if an emergency
I have no sound card, but have all these utilities that are sound related.
Jymmm: here's where you find the properties option, and what the window looks like: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/prop.png
jepler: Yeah, I got that AFTER I loaded a file =)
jepler: oh, what WM are you using?
can I got o that from ubuntu 6.06 ?
yes, but I'm using a custom theme so yours wouldn't look quite like that
(I think they have another theme that looks a bit like win9x though)
That's cool, just anything to get a lil better performance out of this P3 600
turn off menu shading and stuff
if it's on
will work on it tonight
Gawd I wish I could use the dual cpu system I have.... it has 2gb ram on it.
even if EMC doesn'ttake advantage of the SMP
it won't run ubuntu?
Yeah, it will. But I heard you have to use a special RT kernel
an SMP machine can still boot a single-processor kernel just fine
after all, how else would you still run all your windows 3.1 applications or your DOS DOOM.EXE?
On my 486SX25
i run them on my xbox
And yes, I REALLY do have a working 486SX25 box.
i had the first computer i ever touched
30 mb hd 4 mb ram
I finally gave up my 1st XT with dual 5.2%" floppies
i jsut threw it away a few months ago
yeah this one had 2 5.25's
i kept the monitor
jepler ok, so I can run emc just fine, but it won't take advantage of the dual cpus's is what you're saying?
but tossed the rest
jepler Ok, cool. I might just try the other machien I have and see if the latency is about the same.
[00:29:17] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/frntcontroller.JPG
that is a windows 3.1 running on a 386 probably sx.
My 486 is actually a router/firewall
I think it has 2mb of memory iirc - just enough to run in (don't remember what it is called) something like protected maybe. So we could do task swapping and have the programs still running in the background
running under DOS
skunkworks what is the blue machine?
it is an nc controller - built in the early 70s
all descrete componats
[00:34:49] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/rearcontrller.JPG
ran this http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSCCurrent.JPG
a good emc project ;)
ya think?! lol
Intel's heatsinkink mounting scares me....
[03:06:11] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/mobo-bent.jpg
yep - is that one where it clips it on 4 corners?
you can see the clips in the pic
I have had a bunch of them fail - the plastic mounted on the motherboard broke.
I really don't like it
I'm tempted to take a piece of 1/4" aluminum plate, drill and tap holes in the corners, space it off the back of the mobo with some kind of plastic, and screw the sink on
except I have no way to know the proper pressure
if I put a backup plate in, it will increase the pressure, because right now the board is bending, and the plate would hold it straight
skunkworks: when you say "the plastic mounted on the motherboard" what parts do you mean?
this thing has no parts really mounted on the mobo
those white plastic things are part of the HS assembly
we have some dells that are mounted thru the back panel
[03:14:54] <jmkasunich> http://www.endpcnoise.com/e/images/intel_775_fan.jpg
thats the cooler
nothing on the board but holes
ah - different than what I was thinking. let me find a picture
it mounts the same way but there is a plastic frame on the processor side that the heatsink clamps into.
ah, and the frames broke?
[03:19:58] <skunkworks> http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentium-4-Socket-478-CPU-Heatsink-Retention-Module_W0QQitemZ220104778690QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14293QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
that is the frame
then this is the heatsink
[03:20:31] <skunkworks> http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-P4-Pentium-4-2GHZ-CPU-Processor-w-heatsink-fan_W0QQitemZ220104894227QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14293QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I see - it replaces the hooks on the socket
but same problem - really torques the motherboard
I found a pdf on the intel site saying "we know it bends the mobo, thats not a bug its a feature"
that was aimed at Pentium 4
have had computers that would lockup right after booting. the tab would break and the heatsink wouldn't be touching the processor anymore.
didn't find anything like that for the Core Duo
with this one I'm not worried about the sink coming off
I'm worried about broken traces and/or solder joints in the socket area
if the folks in QC at work saw a board bent that much, they'd have a shit-fit
Like I said - there are some dells that bolt the frame thru to the backplane. I don't know if there is a spacer between the motherboard and the backplate.
I'm torn... part of me wants to do it "right", whatever that is
another part of me knows that if I mess with it, then anything that happens will be my fault
if that make sense - the screws that hold the retention module bolt thru the motherboard to the case
board, cpu, and cooler are all intel, so if I don't mess with it and something dies, intel will have to make it right
yeah, I understand
I should say - I don't think I have had the motherboard fail because of the bending.
google finds one or two cases of people who think that might have caused failures
if it was a real issue there would be hundreds
maybe boards are stronger than I give them credit for
the core duo's (not core 2 duo's) (dell) have some sort of bolted on spring loaded heatsink. Not as much tention iirc
I'm wondering if putting a brace on the back side of the board will just trade thermal stress for bending stress.
huge heatsink with the fan that cools ducted and mounted on the back of the case.
jtr: yeah, either that, or result in too much pressure on the chip... if they designed the cooler mount to allow for mobo flex, and I remove the flex, there will be a ton of force
so I'm just gonna leave it alone
everybody does it ;)
my AMD wasn't so bad.
it is the same design between them.
for that style anyways
I hated the first p4 I put on myself though
couldn't get it to go on right
AMD uses a backplate behind the mobo to stiffen it
the board doesn't take all the strain
that sounds right
(at least for socket F(1207) and I think socket AM2 (their latest ones)
hmm - the cheap motherboards I got didn't :)
oh well - time for bed. night.
same here - 'night, all.
i wonder if alex et all had these kins descriptions for the puma type robots? http://prt.fernuni-hagen.de/lehre/KURSE/PRT001/EXAMPLES/eqs2/index.html http://prt.fernuni-hagen.de/lehre/KURSE/PRT001/EXAMPLES/eqs4/index.html
anonimasu: can controllers with rtlinux at http://www.mca2.org/
Heh, this is gonna be fun... i told symantic to remove ALL things relates to sound, we'll see if I even have a GUI left after it's done! LOL
symantic? you been doing too much windows... I think you mean synaptic ;-)
Jsut the mouse cursor and the squigly lines!
jmkasunich LOL, yep, that's what I meant =)
guess you gotta put something back...
I was thinking KDE or ICE
Though, I want to get rid of all the extras first.
why do cdroms suck?
I thought the new computer was busted - it sits for over a minute on boot if the cdrom drive is connecte
That's sounds more like a BIOs issue.
yeah, I think its taking that long to figure out "no, its an old drive, you can't do UDMA-100" or whatever the latest and fanciest is
Butt cd/dvd are ADAPTI, not ATA
see if a updated bios is available for that mobo
the one in it is from november, the newest is from april 3
9 out of 10 times they don't document extra bugs that have been fixed in the readme's
I downloaded the bios update iso, I should probalby burn it and give it a shot
No matter how fearful swp is of upgrading BIOS'es =)
BIOS ISO?! what the....
bootable cdrom, to flash the bios regardless of what OS (if any) is loaded
its only about 2meg, not a full disk
Ah, ok. Guess the floppy is becoming a thing of the past now.
they have a floppy one too, but the new box doesn't have a floppy drive
I still have a couple workign 5.25" drives
bah i forgot how to enable sshd on ubuntu
oh, it's not installed by default.. argh
jmkasunich What's your WM poison of chice?
I'm just using standard ubuntu (gnome) cause I'm lazy
I liked KDE, and I have Xubunbu (breezy version) on a slow laptop that I don't use much anymore
but since I support people using stock ubuntu, I kinda want to have the same thing they do
I like KDE too, but Kubuntu distro has major problems, I tink I'll go ICE on this just becasue it's a P3 600
Dallas, we have shell!!!
* jmkasunich reboots to bios updater....
jmkasunich is this that new fancy one you werw talking about?
new bios loaded
didn't make a difference in the boot time (didn't expect it to)
I think I need to tell it what mode to use for the cdrom
working 5.25? FH?
tomp: yeah, I saw those at one point
hey jmk.. what are you doing up ?
new computer ;-)
ok, then you're excused :P
running single processor kernel, builds EMC2 sim in 1:08 real
old one took 3:25
I'm getting the SMP kernel (non-RT) now
Heh, in the dog house and sleeping on the couch again ---> jmk-solo
solo is the hostname
its in an Antek Solo case
Uh huh.... SURe it is.... "We believe you"
jmk-solo is now known as jmk-core2
Ah, NOW we know why he's in the doghouse... the wife found out about the 2 girlfriends
well, it looks like this system is about 5-6 times faster than the old one... I think I'll keep it
... Seepeu and Seepeutoo
and on that note, goodnight all
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/Makefile: must move the definition of TRIVIAL_BUILD above the include of the Submakefiles, otherwise you get an error 'ld: no input files' when linking components on sim
"Finally, CNC toast!" http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/04/finally_cnc_toast.html
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/libnml/os_intf/_sem.c: this warning is useless
flying home from Shangha was a trip from hell!
beyond being a ****ing long flight, you mean?
Yes. delays and six separate flights.
One midair hardware problem that caused a turn around.
But I'm back.
it's nice to see you
glad you made it :P
Saw a couple of nice robots and rotaries that could be stacked to make em.
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/image-to-gcode.py: new option to add a black or white border to the image, for input images with details that go all the way to the edges
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/image-to-gcode.lyx: document new Expand Image Border option
jepler: didn't that make it into the wrong branch?
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/image-to-gcode.lyx: last check-in was on the wrong tree
alex_joni: thanks for catching that
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/image-to-gcode.lyx: document new Expand Image Border option
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/Makefile: fix bug reported by cradek: if you use -j, and configure needs to be re-run, it would start building object files before configure had finished
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/Makefile: merge rev 126.96.36.199: re-running configure in make -j
6 hops from Shanghai? was that Greyhound? :)
wow - ribbons for dot matrix printers can't be found locally anymore :)
what a tragedy
My local electronics shop just told me when I bought a 25 pin D male/female (parallel) cable that this was the latch batch of 25pin D cables they would order so I might need to special order from now on :P
Dallur: were you able to connect parameters to pins? ( i thought there was some difficulty near a week ago )
tomp: no, I just converted the parameters to pins :)
tomp: I discussed with a couple of the other guys and we agreed that it was the best course of action for the parameters in question
tomp: I have not committed anything to cvs though, testing has taken way longer than I thought because of grounding/shielding issues with hardware
Dallur: and connected the 'param-pins' to constant components?
tomp: just hooked the pins up like usual with net
rephrasing... these new pins, how did they get value? value from a hal file?
tomp: these new pins were parameters provided by a component before, their value is set by the component
tomp: are you looking to put a static value on a pin ?
really, to expose the parameters as pins on all components
when I want to set up a static value on a pin I just create a signal and use setp, but if you have an existing component with a parameter that you want to connect to a pin the easiest way I found was to convert the component parameter to a pin
if people agree that it should be done for the parameter in question
you don't even need a signal to put a static value on a pin, just use setp
funny - all of my printer ribbon is dried up.. I wonder how long we have had them ;)
Ok, the idea of 'comp' as a language makes group consensus difficult. setp work for floats? but is invisible to a pictorial description ( like a circuit where the voltages are not described )
skunkworks: is it a cartridge where you can get the top off?
Dallur: cradek: thanks
skunkworks: just spray it with WD40
I was hoping to change guts with one I had - but all the ribbon I have is dried. Really? interesting. (the one that they have been using or the ones I had in stock that where dried up?)
really, it works great on those cartridges where all the edge is exposed because it's bunched up in there
these are smaller cartirges - they have a spunge wheel that has ink on it - it also has bunched up ribbon also but not as much as the long cartridges
but the 'spraying with wd-40' may get them by until the new ones come in. Thanks
tomp: what do you mean -- just that "comp" is an overloaded term, or something deeper?
comp the language. i'm using i & o symbols now and making a gEDA drawing of the freqgen to explain how i'd represent paramteres from a hal file in a graphic of many components ( a hal diagram )
eventually letting users draw a schematic rather than read text files
how you visually represent a component on a diagram is completely different from how you implement it in a programming language.
As a more concrete example, it is useful to have a symbol that represents an AND gate which is different from the combination of transistors and resistors that actually implement an AND gate in some technology.
maybe the drawing will explain better, right now the mental interpretation of what a hal file means is less intuitive than a graphic.
have you looked at the wiki for gEDA & hal?
cradek: that worked great (wd40)
tomp: having read that page just a bit, I think my analogy about AND gate symbols is a good one. The source code for a component (whether in "C" or in .comp) is more like the way transistors are hooked together to make an AND gate, while you're talking about what an AND gate symbol should look like -- it is two different levels of abstraction.
on the other hand, for .comp files, you could parse the declaration section and build a gschem symbol in some arbitrary way -- not sensibly organized like you have organized the ones in the screenshot on that page
but it's not clear whether these automatically generated symbols would be worth using
jepler: i think its just a graphic representation of what has to be considered in any hal effort.
the 'circuit' has to be specified, wether in text or graphics and graphics is more human (imo).
I dont auto generate symbols for exactly the reason you state, automated symbols seem to be disorganized.
(and i didnt spend the time to write a parser gener9r :)
OK, I accept that (at least some) people will prefer a graphical editor to a text based one, but I still don't understand what part of the "comp" program makes this a harder problem
no, comp is good. it allows anyone to create new comps at will. THAT is what makes it difficult for group use, they breed like rabbits on home systems and are custom for the user, not public to the group. thats good not bad.
" the idea of 'comp' as a language makes group consensus difficult"
oh -- you mean that because every user is free to write a new component (nothing to do with the comp language or program) that it's not possible to furnish a complete library of hal components
the freedom to write new components is fundamental to Free Software
right ( righty arm !)
I wouldn't sweat that too much -- the users who would benefit most from a graphical editor are the same users who would never be comfortable installing (let alone writing) an extra component, and if a gschem-based HAL editor eventually takes off then people who are making components for others will just have to accept creating a symbol as part of the task
jepler: this came to mind with Rugludallur's THC project, a good schema would be handy for him and for others, and for me trying to follow his thoughts.
jepler: i find what you did in 'comp' (the language) much easier than using C for a new component. it's great.
thanks -- at the start of this conversation I thought you had the opposite view.
I wish it was possible to enable that svg pan&zoom plug-in, but not have its toolbar appear except when there's actually an svg document visible
yeh real estate is valuable
better for me
ok, gEDA with hal parameter idea http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?HalSchematicsUsingGschem
this just uses standard schematic i o & io pins manually entered from .hal files.
'tbd' means 'to be determined', usually readonly data
else, with rw data, the value seen is initialization data
jepler: View | Toolbars | uncheck SVG Zoom and Pan, (now SVG bar is gone but still useful ) then Ctrl Up Arrow is magnify, and ctrl left arrow is pan (never found zoom out yet )
Dallur: Are you there?
* alex_joni is happy
found some music I used to hear 11+ years ago
Do you know if Dallur had have success with his plasma table config?
I think he started moving it
tomp: thanks for that tip about svg -- I hope I can remember it :-P
tomp: for the screenshots on HalSchematicsUsingGschem, have you tried png format instead of jpeg? That usually gives much good compression for screenshots like that (few colors, mostly one background color) but without artifacts like jpeg
what about svg??????
(though it doesn't help to convert jpeg to png, I hasten to point out)
jepler: hmmm, i mistakenly thought pngs were huge, and i used 35% jpg ( no compression ratio option in png ). i see that the orig png was 28k and the compressed jpg is 47k :-[
tomp: oh good, if you still have the original PNGs it's easy .. I feared you'd have to prepare the screenshots again to switch to png
Jymmmmmm: there's an extension for svg in firefox ( slightly better than native svg support ) http://www.treebuilder.de/zoomAndPan/index.htm
tomp: Ah, thanks!
Jymmmmmmm: the "tip" was that ctrl-up is "magnify" and ctrl-left is "pan" even if you don't have the toolbar of that extension visible
I'm working an creating SVG's dynamically, that should help too
what kind of svgs are you doing?
artistic or technical?
Well, more artistic, based upon predefined "fill in the blank" templates.
jepler: when you say tehnical, do you mean with callouts and the like?
Jymmmmmmm is now known as Jymm
not necessarily -- just "more for informational purposes than because it looks nice"
jepler: could you give me a simple example?
this is technical, because it's about the information, not about the asethetics: http://axis.unpy.net/files/01174426278/sim-mill.svg
this is artistic, because it's about looking nice: http://www.croczilla.com/svg/samples/butterfly/butterfly.svg
(though if you studied insects, I suppose the second one might be "technical" to you)
DOH, I need to upgrade FF on this machien, hand on =)
i gotta write the authors of the svg extension to look at better hotkeys. i just got real lost with the mill svg (as in saw a blank screen and had no idea where the content was ) ... had to reload the page
CTRL+UP doesn't seem todo anything in FF 188.8.131.52
a bit more info about the svg hotkeys; CtrlUparrow >toggles< the zoom-in on and off, while ALT-LeftArrow toggles pan on and off. ( still no hot key for zoom out, or restore, or scale to screen )
this is with that plugin?
using FF 184.108.40.206
22:46 < tomp> Jymmmmmm: there's an extension for svg in firefox ( slightly
better than native svg support )
[20:05:30] <alex_joni> http://www.treebuilder.de/zoomAndPan/index.htm
alex_joni: thats the one we speak of
* Jymm grabs portable inkscape instead...
sodipodi, inkscape, sketsa....
I didn't care fo the UI of sodipodi
sketsa I never heard of
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err there ya go
that's not fair
aww - you ruined it ;)
anonimasu: now you need to cleanup
* alex_joni heads to bed
good night all
I always wonder how many people that shit themselves when I throw a ^G
* Jymm shit himself, but doesn't know why
holy cow, axis doesn't stutter on this dual 1GHz cpu with 2gb ram amchine.
but is is that dual 1GHz machine consuming more power then your spindle? ;)
2.06 Amps with 20"crt
no, just the computer and crt, spindle takes about 5amps
I mean while the EMC machine is running (either simulating or driving the axises)
Ok, so whats the big deal with dual cpus and emc that I'm missing here?
that RT can't take advantage of SMP?
ok, ubuntu system monitor doens't show both cpus, what util does?
Jymmmmmmm: as you dont have smp support none does
ubuntu itself has support for dual cpu, doesn't it?
the big deal is that you cant throw apps at your second cpu..
anonimasu: ok, so what util will let me see the cpu load of each one?
Jymmmmmmm: for the forth time.. you cant because you do not have two cpus.
Jymmmmmmm: You do not have smp support..
_if_ you do have smp support "top" will show your second cpu..
Hmmm, it's only showing 1gb ram too, but I have 2gb
top that is
count the number of CPUs show in there.
[22:05:59] <Jymmmmmmm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22735
and of course the link in that post is ead
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Jymmmmmmm: there is also a 1GB ram limit in the realtime-enabled kernel, because it was reported by several users that realtime always crashed when more than 1GB ram was present and used.
Jymmmmmmm: it's some bug in the realtime patch, apparently
I installed i386 flavor, should I install the i686 as suggested instead?
are you using the realtime kernel from linuxcnc.org, or an official ubuntu kernel? there is only one flavor of the linuxcnc.org kernel.
isn't there also a different compile flag to support more then 1G of RAM?
ds3: yes, though I thought it was enabled in the official ubuntu kernels
jepler: : Imenat by dl ubuntu i686 and then using the shell script to install emc
hum to my surprise, CONFIG_1GB (limit to 1GB memory) is the default on the official -386 and -686 kernel images for ubuntu 6.06
1% grep 'CONFIG_.GB=y' /boot/config-*
or to be safe zgrep it from /proc/config.gz
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hi, is anyone around, who knows something about this: http://www.linuxcnc.org/experimental/
jepler: does that mena I cna't utilize the 2gb on this box using ubuntu?
jepler: I'm willing to wipe the hdd at all if need be
I thought you could
eric_u: If I can, I don't know how to enable it.
top is reporting only 1gb, but the box has 2gb
and I have another mobo around here that supports 4gb, but I need to get some 1gb dimms for that =)
what does one zombie mean?
wrt to a process?
what about ubuntu is keeping you from using 2gb?
that's when a process dies but the parent has not called 'wait4()'
eric_u: jepler found something that says it's limited to 1gb by default
Jymmmm: does /proc/config.gz exists?
interesting, kernel option?
can you get the kernel config file?
ds3: just tell me where it is
try looking in /boot
there's a config-2.6.15-magma file
that's by convention, there is no guarantee that is the right one :/
grep for '1GB' in that file
there you go, the kernel is limited to 1G
recompile with that set to 'n'
next step is a big one
looks dangerous, you go first
no, don't do that, rtai will break
it's set to 1GB for a reason
hope it is better then the one RH had ;)
Hmmmm $180 for 1GB PC100
if you need more than 1GB, just boot the nonrealtime kernel
if I read back correctly, jepler said the non-RT ubuntu default kernel(s) had the 1G limit set too
that's surely not true, at least for the -686 etc kernels
I'm showing 2G on the core 2, running ubuntu 686-SMP
now that there is RT support in the stock kernel tree, is there any plans to migrate to it?
as of 2.6.21, the Mingo RT patches are stock, AFAIK
no plans to migrate yet
there would be a lot of work I think
jmkasunich: 6.06.1 ?
yep, but it would mean no more RTAI patching
jmkasunich: is that what you are running?
6.06 and 6.06.1 both become the same current system when you install the available updates
ds3: the mingo patches might be good for servo systems, where you have a 1mS thread... I don't thinks its good enough for steppers (20uS threads)
I don't even SEE a i686 option in the ubuntu downloads
[23:27:14] <Jymmmmmmm> http://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/ubuntu-releases/6.06.1/
I dont see that either
what exactly are you trying to do?
Just take advantage of the 3gb when not running RT
you're confusing kernels, packages, and releases
Jymmmmmm: I'm running a 6.06 iso that I downloaded a while ago, plus the 129 updates it does after installing, plus the 84 packages that are emc2 (and documentation) build deps, plus the 686 smp kernel package
just install the linux-686 package
cradek: pkg? not a distro flavor?
yes a package, it's just a kernel
AH, gotcha.... Thought I had to install a distro flavor.
Jymmmmmm if you go into synaptic and search for "linux-image", you'll see about 20 (maybe 30) kernel packages available
that'll just add an entry to grub?
jmk-core2: I'm used to apt-get fwiw
you think that will enable the 2gb too?
apt-get is great when you already know what you are looking for
synaptic has a nice search when you don't
(I use both)
it should give you your 2G
Since my nix knowledge is limited, I TRY to use CLI as much as aI can
I'm running it on this box, and I got 2gig
I'd LOVE to try 4GB, but I is too poor =)
$800 for PC00 is not how I like to invest =)
4 x 1Gb @ $180/each
you could build a new machine for that
but with 4GB ram???
jmk-core2: I have a dual cpu mobo here that supports up to 4GB ram, it only has 2GB in it, just something to play with, but not for $800 on such old HW it aint =)
what about ebay for the older memory?
or is the problem finding old BIG memory?
Didn't look there, just at the place around the corner from me.... http://www.oempcworld.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=PC100
commercial sellers will rape you on older memory
because they know/assume that you GOTTA have it
wasn't 1G modules relatively rare when PC100/133 was the standard?
the memory in my new system (DDR2-800, 1G sticks) is 2 for $99.99 right now
ds3: yeah, I think so
thats why they're so expensive now
jmkasunich: Yeah, was just looking is all
I REALLY do noy like to buy pc hardware online, too many headaches if something is wrong.
its amazing what you can get right now.... E6600 = $235, D965 mobos ~$120, ram $50 per gig
yeah, I can understand that
I have mobo from local place, CPU from one mail-order, and ram from another....
I just hope nothing breaks
oh hawt damn... shows two cpus, now to check mem
there itis !!!! 2GB baby
the ubuntu 686 kernel?
thought TOP only shows 1 cpu
well top shows combined cpu usage
you have to tell it to show more than one CPU I think
hit '1' (one, not ell)
yeah ther it is
oh this is nice, and running on the onboard video too
though, emc just told me to fsck off =) lol
you can have realtime, or you can have 2G, but you can't have both
I can't even get SIM to run, bummer
you should be able to do that, but you have to recompile
I thought I might be able to do at least that
oh, no biggy, I cna just reboot if needed
It's just nice to FINALLY have a system with some balls that can run nix as a desktop
Hey, glxgears even moves too! heh
heh, glxgears is still dog-slow on my new box
gotta figure out how to enable HW opengl
smae here, but MCUH faster than the P3 600
which is not saying much either =)
cp0: 98% cpu1: 2%
single threaded app
I can even drag it around the screen and it doesn't leave ghosts
you AHVE to reboot to use a different kernel, right?
ok, just checking
It's SO nice to not have that splash screen
And I'm in LUST with framebuffer