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[00:20:16] <chr0n1c> ohiopctech.com/cnc/nascar
[00:20:29] <chr0n1c> link to the thingy i just cut in a dvd case*
[00:22:34] <jmkasunich> chr0n1c: hint: if you paste an actual URL (with
http://) then people can just click it
[00:22:44] <jmkasunich> instead of having to paste it into a browser
[00:23:03] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is lazy
[00:23:12] <chr0n1c> ohh
[00:23:22] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/nascar/
[00:23:36] <jmkasunich> tanks
[00:24:02] <cradek> Jymmmmmm: hope so too, this is definitely a good thing to try first
[00:24:20] <jmkasunich> cleaning off the fuzz will be tricky
[00:26:13] <chr0n1c> yup...
[00:26:29] <chr0n1c> i tried a lighter... it doesn't worl.. lemme tell ya that much
[00:26:36] <chr0n1c> doesn't work*
[00:27:34] <danielbr> hello
[00:28:11] <cradek> if you guys are interested, you could sign up and "nominate" that bug for dapper too
[00:28:59] <cradek> I'm actually kind of (unreasonably, I'm sure) afraid it will start showing up now
[00:30:49] <chr0n1c> i need to make a new dremel mount for my z out of aluminuminstead of the crappy chipboard
[00:31:04] <chr0n1c> it looks ugly in thos pics
[00:31:29] <danielbr> someone can help with "loadrt counter", if I "addf counter.0.capture-position base-thread" emc2 can't start
[00:32:09] <Jymmm> cradek: is there a way to "maually" apply the patch and see if that resolves the issue?
[00:32:11] <cradek> I think base-thread does not have floating point
[00:32:29] <cradek> Jymmm: I think it would be quite hard to do that
[00:32:43] <danielbr> also with servo-thread
[00:32:47] <Jymmm> cradek: ah, ok. Were you able to reproduce it?
[00:32:55] <cradek> danielbr: I suspect update-counters is the one you want on servo-thread, and capture-position on base-thread
[00:33:22] <cradek> Jymmm: no, I haven't tried yet, but it's clearly the same as that (fixed) freedesktop.com bug
[00:34:20] <cradek> Jymmm: you can also subscribe to that bug, so you see any changes/updates to it
[00:35:27] <danielbr> HAL: ERROR: function 'counter.0.update-counters' not found
[00:35:42] <danielbr> servo-thread
[00:36:14] <cradek> danielbr: halcmd show funct counter
[00:36:21] <jmkasunich> danielbr: when you say "emc can't start", what exactly happens?
[00:36:25] <cradek> danielbr: (docs are wrong)
[00:36:40] <chr0n1c> i got a few bux saved up... should i buy an enco 7x10 lathe?
[00:36:59] <chr0n1c> ... or should i build one myself
[00:37:23] <Jymmm> cradek: just did
[00:37:32] <Jymmm> cradek: and added to it
[00:38:02] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich fixes the counter man page...
[00:38:13] <cradek> jmkasunich: I was just starting - be my guest
[00:38:56] <chr0n1c> ... if i cut the dvd case on a pc. of wood, instead of hanging in the air, i think it would be less fuzzy
[00:39:16] <chr0n1c> cuz the plastic couldn't go down.. and the fuzz would get cut
[00:39:46] <cradek> Jymmm: that's a bit overt...
[00:40:25] <Jymmm> cradek: I know, but everyone seems to try it for jsut 10 or 20 minutes. if they try to reproduce it, at least go to 40 minutes
[00:40:37] <danielbr> I also have problems with Scale comp
[00:40:36] <CIA-19> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/man/man9/counter.9: fix function names
[00:40:48] <cradek> Jymmm: have you seen it without the rtai test?
[00:40:58] <Jymmm> no actually
[00:41:21] <cradek> hmm.
[00:41:47] <cradek> others do get it without rtai.
[00:41:58] <jymmmmm> if this nick dies. then X crashed
[00:42:05] <cradek> jmkasunich: thanks
[00:42:57] <jymmmmm> jymmmmm is now known as JymmmEMC
[00:43:09] <CIA-19> 03jmkasunich 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/docs/man/man9/counter.9: backport doc fix: function names
[00:43:21] <cradek> Jymmm: in all seriousness, I don't think this will affect your ability to run emc.
[00:43:34] <JymmmEMC> 4 iterations of glxgears are running along with sim axis
[00:44:16] <Jymmm> cradek: I understand, just with all the issues I've bene having for months, just stress testing stuff anymore
[00:45:14] <Jymmm> Oh this is cool...
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dkub/codemess.htm
[00:45:57] <Jymmm> There are those 4 LED's on the back of this system.
[00:45:59] <cradek> Jymmm: one of my systems has dozens of LEDs, one for everything that can go wrong
[00:46:12] <cradek> Jymmm: if there's a bad ram module, a light comes on next to it
[00:46:13] <cradek> etc
[00:46:32] <Jymmm> cradek: very cool, just never saw that like that other than a single onboard led
[00:46:45] <Jymmm> beeps I know by heart
[00:47:02] <cradek> BEEEEEEEEEP BOOP BOOP
[00:47:05] <Jymmm> ok, this mobo will only take a 850MHz
[00:47:15] <Jymmm> 111,111,111
[00:47:20] <cradek> you have to know that one then
[00:47:53] <Jymmm> mine is actaully "reseat the damn memory Jymmm"
[00:48:03] <Jymmm> lol
[00:48:07] <chr0n1c> my last two msi mobo's came with a bracket for an open expansion bay with 4 usb ports and those 4 leds
[00:48:26] <chr0n1c> it changes the 4 with each bois bootup step
[00:48:30] <chr0n1c> bios
[00:48:47] <Jymmm> * Jymmm looks around for a 850 slot 1
[00:49:12] <cradek> $10 on ebay...
[00:49:21] <cradek> and the S370 are like $1
[00:49:23] <danielbr> cradek: same problem with addf counter servo-thread or base-thread
[00:49:34] <jmkasunich> ebay lacks immediate gratification
[00:49:38] <cradek> danielbr: halcmd show funct counter
[00:50:04] <jmkasunich> you can always check names with "show"
[00:51:34] <CIA-19> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtl_rtapi.c: patch for RTLinux support - thanks to 'silvan06'
[00:51:59] <Jymmm> cradek: sorry, I meant in my junk boxes... found a 800MHz
[00:51:59] <danielbr> thanks, cradek and lmk!
[00:52:07] <danielbr> jmk
[00:53:42] <JymmmEMC> replacing cpu in this box
[00:53:46] <JymmmEMC> shutting down
[01:01:16] <cradek> yay, skype works, I wonder what I'll ever use it for
[01:01:41] <jmkasunich> heavy breathing phone calls?
[01:01:52] <cradek> no, that's what the real phone is for
[01:02:21] <chr0n1c> emc2/skype confrence calls?
[01:02:22] <Jymmm> cradek: to bug les
[01:02:51] <chr0n1c> i only used it to prank a few friends.. lol
[01:02:56] <chr0n1c> nothing important
[01:03:01] <jymmmmm> jymmmmm is now known as JymmmEMC
[01:03:23] <Jymmm> ok it no like other cpu, sticking with 500
[01:03:26] <Jymmm> 600
[01:03:47] <JymmmEMC> 4 glxgears running and I'm off to work
[01:09:54] <chr0n1c> hey! ...my automatic retracting cupholder isn't working anymore in the emc2 box
[01:10:06] <chr0n1c> oh wait.. that's my cd-rom drive
[01:10:10] <chr0n1c> nevermind
[01:15:03] <danielbr> gn and thanks again, all working fine now!
[01:15:40] <jmkasunich> glad we could help
[01:15:40] <danielbr> congratulations
[01:17:25] <jmkasunich> I wonder what genius designed this fan.... three speed thing, with the speed switch hanging on the end of an 8" long wire
[01:17:34] <jmkasunich> I don't want that flopping around inside the case
[01:18:56] <chr0n1c> mount it on the front silly
[01:19:36] <jmkasunich> the switch is a 1/4" x 3/8" x 1/2" lump of plastic
[01:19:44] <jmkasunich> with a tiny slide switch inside
[01:20:26] <jmkasunich> I think I can mount it to the fan itself
[01:20:57] <cradek> you got your case already?
[01:21:06] <cradek> (I agree those are stupid)
[01:21:24] <jmkasunich> yeah, got it sunday
[01:21:37] <jmkasunich> I have everything except CPU, ram, and vid card
[01:21:46] <jmkasunich> (which are on the way, due wed & thur)
[01:21:55] <cradek> cool
[01:22:13] <jmkasunich> wound up getting the solo case instead of the sonata
[01:25:30] <jmkasunich> I wound up splurging on the vid card... got the $49 one ;-)
[01:25:38] <cradek> haha
[01:25:42] <cradek> you'll love it
[01:25:55] <jmkasunich> its 39 after rebate
[01:26:42] <jepler> jmkasunich: hi and good evening
[01:26:55] <jmkasunich> hello and welcome back to the USofA
[01:31:53] <chr0n1c> united sates of ameerdica?
[01:32:16] <jepler> jmkasunich: thanks, it's nice to be back
[01:34:41] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c is testing the timestamp thingy...
[01:34:50] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c uhh, ok it works
[01:38:03] <jmkasunich> 2007-04-25 00:45:38 build: emc2head : start complete build
[01:38:05] <jmkasunich> 2007-04-25 01:27:50 build: emc2head : succeeded
[01:38:13] <jmkasunich> why I'm getting a new PC ^^^^
[01:38:59] <chr0n1c> last new pc i tried to build.. the guy sent me a bad mobo... wouldn't even turn on.. then tried to keep my money, but paypal gave it back..
[01:39:18] <chr0n1c> i even sent him his crappy mobo back in great non-working condition like he sent it
[01:39:45] <chr0n1c> he tried to tell paypal i was an idiot and smashed it with a hammer
[01:39:51] <chr0n1c> i was like :o
[01:40:37] <chr0n1c> but uh.. what speed ya building jmk?
[01:41:18] <jmkasunich> E6600, 2.4GHz
[01:41:29] <jmkasunich> (intel core 2 duo)
[01:41:39] <chr0n1c> pretty damn slick
[01:41:57] <chr0n1c> i'm still at 1.24 ghz amd / 1.5 g ram
[01:42:02] <chr0n1c> on my main box
[01:42:07] <jmkasunich> from all the reading I've done it seems to be the best bang for the buck by a long shot
[01:42:38] <jmkasunich> I think ram is the real issue here, the compile farm VMs are using 256M each, and there are 3 of them
[01:42:40] <jmkasunich> I have 1G
[01:42:47] <chr0n1c> yeah... they make my cpu look like a basic stamp
[01:43:03] <jmkasunich> new box will have 2G
[01:44:24] <chr0n1c> iffi'n i get a lathe... this box will be the mill controller, the mill controller will be the lathe controller... and i build a new box for me ;)
[01:44:45] <chr0n1c> i have a buncha midi music stuff on this box...
[01:44:55] <chr0n1c> and it's getting bogged down
[01:45:00] <chr0n1c> with cad/cam/music
[01:45:42] <chr0n1c> there should be someway to hook.. my akai mpd16 drum pad into emc2 for jogging?
[01:45:48] <chr0n1c> or for machine buttons?
[01:46:10] <chr0n1c> i mean it's 16 buttons on a usb midi interface
[01:46:14] <chr0n1c> that would be slick
[01:48:05] <jepler> chr0n1c: if linux recognizes it as an input device it should be possible to use it with hal_input right away. otherwise, you can write a driver for it in C or Python, if you know how..
[01:48:19] <jepler> I'm not sure if USB midi interfaces are recognized by linux as input devices
[01:50:22] <jmkasunich> "how do I jog X" "the snare - the tom is Y"
[01:51:19] <chr0n1c> i know there is a driver for my m-audio midi keyboard controller for linux
[01:51:23] <chr0n1c> i never could get it working though
[01:51:33] <chr0n1c> which is the main reason i still use windows
[01:51:53] <chr0n1c> i haven't checked on the mpd16 for linux drivers yet...
[01:52:11] <chr0n1c> a 49 key midi emc2 controller...
[01:52:28] <chr0n1c> it even has 8 fader sliders and 8 knobs
[01:52:35] <chr0n1c> that could be used for speed and the likes
[01:52:50] <chr0n1c> c# x jog
[01:52:58] <chr0n1c> C flat y jog
[01:53:25] <chr0n1c> i don't know a lick about programming drivers...
[01:53:36] <chr0n1c> i can do some simple basic stuff, that's about it
[01:53:41] <chr0n1c> oh.. and g-code
[01:54:12] <jepler> chr0n1c: too bad, it sounds like an interesting project, but it may be out of the reach of a casual programmer
[01:54:42] <chr0n1c> if you know anyone who woul dbe interested in trying
[01:54:46] <chr0n1c> send them my way
[01:55:00] <chr0n1c> the drum trigger pad runs by sending midi notes
[01:55:14] <chr0n1c> so if a midi usb keyboard would work.. then the pad should also just as easily
[01:55:36] <chr0n1c> or un-easily
[01:58:00] <chr0n1c> http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg16105.html <- mpd16 linux info
[02:02:03] <jepler> chr0n1c: how much does an inexpensive "MIDI" input device cost? I might try to write a driver, but I don't have any such devices
[02:02:14] <chr0n1c> hmm...
[02:02:30] <jepler> it sounds like some of them are USB, and thus don't require any other specific hardware?
[02:02:31] <chr0n1c> i got mine for $99, the akai mpd16
[02:02:35] <chr0n1c> at guitar center
[02:02:49] <chr0n1c> but there is cheap midi keyboards for around... 20-30 bux
[02:03:00] <chr0n1c> usb midi*
[02:03:03] <jepler> seems people build the from scratch, too:
http://www.pjrc.com/tech/midi-drums/drum-intro.html
[02:03:12] <chr0n1c> http://guitarcenter.com
[02:03:18] <chr0n1c> search for mpd16
[02:03:26] <chr0n1c> or midi keyboard
[02:03:35] <chr0n1c> yeah i have seent hose
[02:03:38] <chr0n1c> those
[02:03:43] <chr0n1c> i just bought one
[02:03:50] <chr0n1c> i was drooling over the mpc1000
[02:03:58] <chr0n1c> so i bought half of it
[02:04:01] <chr0n1c> and use reason
[02:04:05] <chr0n1c> for the other half
[02:05:56] <chr0n1c> but when i hit the button.. it sends note on for the midi note that is programmed for that button/pad
[02:06:04] <chr0n1c> then when you let go it sends note off
[02:06:38] <chr0n1c> it could be an easy way to build pendants for emc2
[02:07:01] <chr0n1c> with diy midi usb something or other
[02:07:26] <chr0n1c> just a variable resistor is all the faders and knobs are
[02:07:27] <jepler> chr0n1c: yes, though USB joysticks and keyboards are also readily available
[02:07:41] <chr0n1c> you have a point there
[02:07:53] <chr0n1c> i heed to hook mine up and try to get that working
[02:08:07] <chr0n1c> i have a microsoft usb flight sim joystick
[02:08:12] <chr0n1c> two handed with a throttle ;)
[02:08:28] <chr0n1c> for feedrate overide.. i was thinking i could try the throttle stick
[02:08:36] <jepler> should work nicely with hal_input
[02:09:49] <chr0n1c> does ubuntu have plug and play for joysticks?
[02:10:00] <chr0n1c> guess i can stick it in there and find out1
[02:10:02] <chr0n1c> !
[02:10:02] <jepler> chr0n1c: most USB joysticks and 15-pin joysticks plug in and work
[02:10:27] <jepler> serial "joysticks" like the spaceball require a bit of configuration, and I haven't actually used a 15-pin-connector joystick in at least 5 years
[02:12:50] <jepler> documentation on hal_input, which is in emc 2.1.4:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/man/man1/hal_input.1.html -- should work with any joystick that linux recognizes
[02:13:33] <chr0n1c> i plugged it in... it picked it up in device manager :D
[02:13:47] <chr0n1c> halfway there
[02:17:39] <jepler> chr0n1c: once I did the rest of the configuration (/etc/udev and .hal files) I got a bunch of HAL pins like the one shown in this old pastebin:
http://pastebin.ca/379920
[02:18:24] <chr0n1c> so far i'mlost...
[02:18:39] <chr0n1c> i found..
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Using_A_Joypad_To_Move_Your_CNC_Machine
[02:18:46] <chr0n1c> ... but where do i put those commands...
[02:18:52] <chr0n1c> in the ini file?
[02:20:44] <jepler> lines like 'loadusr', 'loadrt', 'link' and so on belong in ".hal" files
[02:21:12] <chr0n1c> which get loaded through.. the emc2 ini file?
[02:21:32] <jepler> yes, one part of the ini files gives the hal files to load, in order
[02:26:12] <ohiopctechDOTcom> yo yo yo
[02:26:27] <ohiopctechDOTcom> <chr0n1c on the emc box
[02:26:39] <cradek> chr0n1c: /join #yoyos
[02:26:45] <ohiopctechDOTcom> oh
[02:26:48] <ohiopctechDOTcom> are they cool there?
[02:26:56] <cradek> wouldn't know
[02:26:58] <ohiopctechDOTcom> cuz i only hang with cool people
[02:27:09] <cradek> surely you're mistaken
[02:27:13] <ohiopctechDOTcom> or something
[02:27:18] <cradek> haha
[02:28:57] <jepler> if you're here it is hard to imagine you only hang with cool people
[02:29:02] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ok.. in device manager.. is my joystickk name.. "input.device" or input.Physical_device"
[02:29:26] <jepler> night guys -- still suffering from my jet lag
[02:29:33] <cradek> 'night jepler
[02:29:35] <ohiopctechDOTcom> night yo
[02:29:55] <jepler> ohiopctechDOTcom: if you are following the instructions on that wiki page, and you have only one joystick attached, then the exact line shown is probably appropriate for you: loadusr hal_joystick -d /dev/input/js0 -p joypad
[02:30:00] <jepler> good luck
[02:30:42] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ty
[02:35:08] <Jymmm> Well, JymmmEMC is still here, meaning that X hasn't crashed yet running 4 glxgears and axis sim
[02:39:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> sweet, mmy two handed joystick is working with the joystick test on the wiki...
[02:39:49] <ohiopctechDOTcom> exceppt i got errors for axis 4 5 and 6?
[02:40:18] <ohiopctechDOTcom> the hat switch and twisting the handle
[02:40:45] <ohiopctechDOTcom> there is two axis' on a thumb button.. i guess 4/55
[02:40:52] <ohiopctechDOTcom> 4/5
[02:41:13] <ohiopctechDOTcom> does hal_joystick only do 3?
[02:42:24] <jmkasunich> do "halcmd show pin" to get a list of pins
[02:42:36] <jmkasunich> it should export pins for every axis, and every button
[02:43:22] <jmkasunich> based on what the linux joystick driver detects
[02:43:22] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/fanhack.jpg <-- fan switch fixed... and it still works!
[02:43:59] <Jymmm> jmkasunich ?
[02:44:11] <ohiopctechDOTcom> so did they just wrap it in tap or something?
[02:44:15] <ohiopctechDOTcom> tape
[02:45:06] <jmkasunich> Jymmm?
[02:45:20] <Jymmm> jmkasunich whats the sotry behind the switch
[02:45:35] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ok.. so the rudder and two axis on te joystick work... and the throttle handle works
[02:45:37] <jmkasunich> that switch (and the little white plastic box) was flopping around on the end of an 8" cable
[02:45:44] <ohiopctechDOTcom> and all the buttons excepet one
[02:46:07] <Jymmm> jmkasunich is this an "add in" you put on the fan?
[02:46:33] <jmkasunich> no, the fan came with it (three speeds), but it was on the end of a long wire and I didn't want it flopping around
[02:46:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> the extra two axis on the thumb and the twisting the the joystick doesn't workk...
[02:46:44] <Jymmm> jmkasunich ah, gotcha
[02:46:48] <jmkasunich> I just hacked the plastic box to mount it on the fan
[02:47:33] <jmkasunich> ohiopctechDOTcom: you did the halcmd show pin?
[02:47:41] <ohiopctechDOTcom> yes
[02:47:55] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i guess linux doesn''t pick them all up then?
[02:48:23] <ohiopctechDOTcom> hell 3 axis' and like ten buttons is good for me...
[02:48:51] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it has a 6 foot cord on it
[02:49:21] <ohiopctechDOTcom> longer with a hub or extender cable... sweet!
[02:49:27] <ohiopctechDOTcom> remote mini mill machining!
[02:50:33] <Jymmm> http://www.pidgin.im/
[02:55:55] <CIA-16> 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: typo made [] jog Z, not A
[03:02:24] <jmkasunich> ohiopctechDOTcom: I just checked the hal_joystick source - it has a limit of 6 analog and 16 buttons
[03:02:38] <jmkasunich> (those limits are arbitrary, they could be increased in later revs)
[03:02:54] <jmkasunich> it doesn't sound like you are hitting the limits tho
[03:13:43] <ohiopctechDOTcom> yeah...
[03:14:00] <ohiopctechDOTcom> maybe i need to check some kinda config file or something somewhere
[03:14:08] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i been investigation....
[03:14:17] <ohiopctechDOTcom> investigating*
[03:14:53] <ohiopctechDOTcom> but i took a break and i'm engraving that nascar logo into my mini mill table....
http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/nascar/
[03:15:24] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i don't even like nascar.. but i wanted to see how it turned out in wood
[03:15:49] <ohiopctechDOTcom> and i can always replace the cheap shelf board i'm using for a table
[03:16:16] <cradek> heh I like those shots with the finished piece and the AXIS preview
[03:16:23] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ;)
[03:16:28] <ohiopctechDOTcom> axis is the shit chris
[03:16:42] <cradek> heh thanks, that's great to hear
[03:16:43] <ohiopctechDOTcom> you got my handshake on that one
[03:16:57] <ohiopctechDOTcom> you should get an awaard or something
[03:17:26] <cradek> I got a nice CNC controller to use, and this project has kept me off the streets for a couple years
[03:17:30] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i'll make you a mini cnc mill engraved plaque ;)
[03:18:02] <cradek> will it say "AXIS is the shit."?
[03:18:12] <ohiopctechDOTcom> hell yeah...
[03:18:18] <cradek> that would be slick :-)
[03:18:48] <ohiopctechDOTcom> you said youjsut have the lathe?
[03:18:56] <cradek> no I have a little mill too
[03:19:06] <ohiopctechDOTcom> oh yeah i read about it
[03:19:15] <cradek> unlike the lathe, it's actually set up and working
[03:19:30] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i been considering buying one of the cheap 7x10's
[03:20:06] <cradek> does 7x10 mean lathe with 7" swing and 10" travel?
[03:20:17] <ohiopctechDOTcom> yessir
[03:20:30] <cradek> 7" seems like a lot, but 10" isn't much
[03:20:38] <ohiopctechDOTcom> not really
[03:20:56] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it could be extended technically
[03:21:28] <ohiopctechDOTcom> but
[03:21:41] <ohiopctechDOTcom> might as well buy a bigger one to start with
[03:21:50] <cradek> depends what you want to cut with it, of course
[03:22:01] <cradek> many things are less than 10" long
[03:22:07] <ohiopctechDOTcom> if it had a through the chuck hole, not too bad
[03:22:15] <cradek> oh it doesn't? ouch
[03:22:20] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i dunno
[03:22:28] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i haven't inspected them that close yet
[03:22:31] <cradek> I thought that was universal
[03:22:37] <ohiopctechDOTcom> there is a hrbor freight right down the road though
[03:22:41] <ohiopctechDOTcom> they have one on display
[03:22:55] <cradek> their stuff is always just a bit odd
[03:23:03] <ohiopctechDOTcom> haha yeah
[03:23:17] <cradek> like the leadscrews that are graduated in 62.5 marks per turn
[03:23:26] <cradek> I just can't imagine being able to use that
[03:23:31] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i spent 42 bux the other day and got an indicator, calipers, and clamps, and a square
[03:23:46] <ohiopctechDOTcom> if it's cnc.. the computer does the conversion
[03:23:48] <ohiopctechDOTcom> lol
[03:23:50] <cradek> sure
[03:23:58] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i only have to do the math once to set it up
[03:23:59] <cradek> but if it's cnc, you don't want half a turn of backlash either
[03:24:12] <cradek> on manual it doesn't matter so much
[03:24:36] <ohiopctechDOTcom> when i go back.. i'm gonna inspect it to see if i can retrofit it with ballscrews and tighter gears
[03:24:58] <ohiopctechDOTcom> that will decide if i buy that or.. a better one
[03:25:52] <cradek> I find myself wanting a bigger mill more than I want a bigger lathe
[03:26:04] <cradek> I'm really starting to think I "need" a knee mill
[03:26:05] <ohiopctechDOTcom> right...
[03:26:26] <cradek> maybe I'll make some kind of hookup at workshop
[03:26:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> the mini mills are just missing the fun of taking 1/2 inch cuts through some stainless ...
[03:26:58] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i'm on the lookout for a good deal on a knee mill
[03:27:02] <cradek> or 1/8 cuts through ... anything
[03:27:41] <cradek> on my mill I really can't start with a block of material and machine something out of it. it's just not suitable for that.
[03:28:02] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i could...
[03:28:03] <Jymmm> JymmmEMC you still here?
[03:28:08] <ohiopctechDOTcom> but small things..
[03:28:15] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i aam working on a steel table
[03:28:18] <cradek> yeah, and with plenty of patience
[03:28:30] <ohiopctechDOTcom> and i have the mini vise that came with this 8 inch drill press
[03:29:20] <ohiopctechDOTcom> the cheapo cast vise needs ground seriously, but i'm not really complaining for 22 dollars... i got the whole drill press, a chuck and the vise
[03:29:33] <cradek> heh
[03:29:41] <ohiopctechDOTcom> Big Lots ;)
[03:29:49] <ohiopctechDOTcom> my buddy gave me the word up on the deal
[03:29:58] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it's right by y house
[03:30:03] <ohiopctechDOTcom> so i ran over and bought 2
[03:30:12] <ohiopctechDOTcom> stripped one for the mini mill
[03:31:23] <cradek> looks like it was a good platform to start with
[03:31:40] <cradek> if the column is stiff enough (drill presses usually don't drill sideways)
[03:32:12] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i am going to add.... three metal straps... running from the head to the base
[03:32:18] <ohiopctechDOTcom> in three different directions
[03:32:26] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i haven''t done it yet though
[03:32:31] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it' is a little wobbly
[03:33:01] <cradek> turnbuckles :-)
[03:33:13] <ohiopctechDOTcom> !!
[03:33:18] <cradek> haha
[03:33:23] <toastydeath> fff
[03:34:02] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it's fine for wood and plastic
[03:34:10] <ohiopctechDOTcom> and small cuts in alum though
[03:36:09] <Jymmm> cradek: Well it looks like X isn't gonna crash on it's own.
[03:36:28] <cradek> according to that report, it does with certain GL apps
[03:36:47] <Jymmm> cradek Oh, I musta miss that part.
[03:37:02] <cradek> there was a LONG conversation if you scrolled down about a mile
[03:37:18] <Jymmm> no scroll wheel =)
[03:37:54] <Jymmm> Ya know, I'd be a damn good QA, i don't find bugs, they find me.
[03:39:13] <ohiopctechDOTcom> hmm.. gnight folks
[03:46:50] <jmkasunich> I think I'm gonna call it a night too...
[03:47:00] <Jymmm> nite john
[03:47:07] <cradek> me too, goodnight
[04:49:20] <ds3> hmmm
[07:33:02] <Jymmm> JymmmEMC ping
[07:37:03] <alex_joni> pong
[07:41:57] <Jymmm> alex_joni cradek filed a bug for the issue I have been having.
[07:43:03] <Jymmm> alex_joni 'JymmmEMC' is my machien at home that has been running 4 glxgears now (solo) for the last 7 hours
[07:43:16] <Jymmm> without X crashing
[07:58:40] <alex_joni> nice
[08:03:53] <alex_joni> hmm.. is this still on?
[08:06:05] <Jymmm> NO CARRIER
[08:27:14] <alex_joni> had a largish Lag
[08:27:22] <alex_joni> seems it's back now
[08:31:20] <Jymmm> ah
[08:49:28] <alex_joni> [Lag: 46 (??)]
[08:50:49] <Jymmm> try reconneting thru another server
[09:38:08] <Jymmm> Alrighty Folks, it's almost that time... laters!
[09:44:02] <alex_joni> night
[10:43:03] <anonimasu> hello
[10:58:21] <alex_joni> hi
[12:53:26] <skunkworks> jepler: is there a way to turn off the tool path? (so the tool follows the preview - just not drawing over it)
[12:55:56] <jepler> skunkworks: look in the 'view' menu
[12:56:38] <jepler> skunkworks: If I understand what you're asking for, you want to turn off "show program"
[12:56:39] <skunkworks> I looked late last night - must have been to fuzy.
[12:56:57] <jepler> or maybe you want to turn off "show live plot"?
[12:57:09] <skunkworks> No - I want the show program - just don't want it to draw over while emc is running
[12:57:09] <skunkworks> right
[12:57:33] <jepler> hm that turns off the cone...
[12:57:46] <skunkworks> I was thinking that would solve the sluggishness on slower computers?
[12:57:55] <jepler> so I guess the answer's "no"
[12:58:13] <skunkworks> the longer it runs
[12:59:01] <jepler> yes, the 'amount' of backplot is the reason it would grow more sluggish as the program runs. but no, the option you want (show the cone but not the backplot) isn't available
[12:59:17] <skunkworks> ok
[12:59:41] <alex_joni> skunkworks: you can clear the plot from time to time though
[13:00:02] <skunkworks> alex_joni: yes - and that works fine. Just wondering
[13:02:26] <skunkworks> * skunkworks wonders if there is a core 2 dual around here to play with.
[13:04:14] <alex_joni> duo
[13:05:21] <skunkworks> oops
[13:05:23] <skunkworks> yes
[13:05:56] <skunkworks> seems to me we had bought one - wonder where it is. Should keep better records.
[13:06:12] <alex_joni> reminds me of a bash.org quote
[13:06:37] <skunkworks> the missing computer - can ping it but don't know where it is in the apartment?
[13:06:54] <alex_joni> http://www.bash.org/?5273
[13:07:05] <skunkworks> :)
[13:07:09] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: show the tool cone/cylinder if 'show live plot' is off, but 'show tool' is on
[13:07:35] <alex_joni> skunkworks: try that with microsoft..
[13:07:42] <skunkworks> wow.
[13:07:46] <skunkworks> Thanks jepler
[13:08:55] <skunkworks> we have an odbc driver from microsoft to interface with our accounting software. It took them a year to get the bugs out of it.
[13:09:28] <skunkworks> 3 months just to prove to them they had a problem ;)
[13:10:53] <jepler> hah
[13:11:08] <jepler> well some problems would take me 3 months too
[13:11:58] <skunkworks> I have been on here a while - I don't think anything would take you 3 months :)
[13:16:34] <skunkworks> logger_emc: bookmark
[13:16:34] <skunkworks> Just this once .. here's the log:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2007-04-25.txt
[13:18:39] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[13:23:01] <anonimasu> jepler: that just depends if you find it interesting ;)
[13:31:31] <alex_joni> hmm.. lots of weird people out there
[13:32:03] <alex_joni> a psychology majour just called and asked me what would I advise him to do, in order to really "understand" how to use a computer
[13:34:04] <anonimasu> lol
[13:34:24] <alex_joni> got me puzzled
[13:35:03] <anonimasu> figures
[13:35:19] <skunkworks> cradek:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/109784
[13:35:20] <skunkworks> :)
[14:03:39] <cradek> ha, well I guess that's true
[14:06:20] <cradek> can one of you guys with software rendering see if that program
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=8884 crashes your X without rtai running?
[14:07:22] <cradek> save that file as t.c, gcc t.c -lGL, ./a.out -verbose
[14:07:39] <alex_joni> bbl guys
[14:15:27] <skunkworks> cradek: in a bit - building a emc so I can try jeplers fix.
[14:24:47] <skunkworks> jepler: works here :)
[14:25:31] <skunkworks> freaked out - picked sim_stepper by mistake. That is loud
[14:25:41] <cradek> ha
[14:29:53] <skunkworks> gcc t.c -lGL, ./a.out -verbose
[14:32:25] <skunkwork1> cradek:
[14:32:27] <skunkwork1> samco@samco-desktop:~/Desktop$ gcc t.c -lGL, ./a.out -verbose
[14:32:27] <skunkwork1> gcc: ./a.out: No such file or directory
[14:32:27] <skunkwork1> gcc: unrecognized option '-verbose'
[14:32:42] <cradek> two commands - split at the ,
[14:32:47] <skunkwork1> oops
[14:36:19] <skunkworks> cradek: it outputs text to the terminal. It is really slowing the system down. the mouse is almost unresponive.
[14:36:51] <skunkwork1> cradek:
[14:36:53] <skunkwork1> X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[14:36:54] <skunkwork1> Major opcode of failed request: 53 (X_CreatePixmap)
[14:36:54] <skunkwork1> Serial number of failed request: 199
[14:36:54] <skunkwork1> Current serial number in output stream: 201
[14:37:07] <cradek> hmm but no X crash?
[14:37:11] <skunkwork1> no
[14:37:11] <cradek> ok thanks, ineteresting
[14:37:29] <skunkwork1> this is a totaly different computer here at work
[14:37:41] <skunkwork1> I can try it on the portable at home
[14:37:59] <cradek> no big deal - I just thought it might be nice if one of us could say "that program reproduces it for us too"
[14:38:09] <skunkwork1> ah
[15:54:06] <Jymmm> That bug mentions resize(), I didn't resize these four glxgears all night, just did now .
[15:55:20] <Jymmm> still waiting to see if it'll rotate too
[16:03:54] <Jymmm> i wonder why RT Test triggers it to crash
[16:05:44] <Jymmm> Hey, um, from within X how do you edit a file owned by root?
[16:06:16] <Jymmm> it only opens it READ ONLY never prompts for password on save
[16:08:37] <skunkworks> I have done it thru terminal sudo gedit /path/to/file
[16:08:51] <JymmmEMC> ah, gotcha
[16:10:57] <JymmmEMC> brb
[16:13:09] <jymmmmm> jymmmmm is now known as JymmmEMC
[16:13:38] <skunkworks> I am going to an america concert on the 4th :)
[16:14:08] <Jymmm> thats a name of a band?
[16:14:37] <skunkworks> nice. They are before my time - but everyone knows america. Don't they?
[16:14:44] <skunkworks> horse with no name and such
[16:15:12] <skunkworks> been to the desert on a horse with no name - feels good to be out of the rain.
[16:17:19] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/comp.g:
[16:17:19] <CIA-20> - support building and installing userspace components written in C, not comp
[16:17:19] <CIA-20> - support the new 'license' declaration: Prefer to use 'license "GPL";' in the
[16:17:19] <CIA-20> header section instead of 'MODULE_LICENSE("GPL");' in the code section, so
[16:17:19] <CIA-20> that the license is also displayed in the documentation.
[16:17:18] <CIA-20> - For 'trivial' components (those with only one function) allow the omission
[16:17:22] <CIA-20> of 'FUNCTION(..) {' and the ending '}' from the code section
[16:18:51] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/comp.lyx: simplify examples using new no-FUNCTION syntax; document no-FUNCTION syntax and license declaration
[16:22:11] <Jymmm> yeah, I have the mp3 somewhere
[16:23:27] <Jymmm> but, other than the "one hit wonder" was there ant other songs I might now?
[16:23:46] <Jymmm> know
[16:26:12] <Jymmm> Hey when emc is running, is the screensaver disabled?
[16:26:38] <anonimasu> no
[16:26:41] <jepler> Jymmm: no
[16:27:03] <Jymmm> thats not a good thing, is it?
[16:27:29] <anonimasu> most people never see that kind of bug you two did..
[16:27:32] <anonimasu> :)
[16:27:33] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/components/ (40 files): use new license declaration so that the module license appears in the documentation
[16:27:38] <skunkworks> venture a highway
[16:28:55] <skunkworks> well this computer here restarted x after about 30 mins
[16:38:02] <Jymmm> Ok axis running, but display is a bit sluggish, is that only display and not actual movement?
[16:39:04] <anonimasu> it should be actual movement..
[16:43:38] <Jymmm> ok, let me turn on machine now and see what happens
[16:47:09] <Jymmm> WHAT YOU MEAN YOU CANT MOVE ANYTHING WITHOUT THE PARAPORT CABLE BEING CONNECTED?!?!?!?!
[16:49:48] <anonimasu> lol
[16:49:56] <Jymmm> LOL... my machine sounds like one of those casio kybds you got as a kid
[16:51:10] <Jymmm> or half way in between the soundFX of andromita
[16:51:21] <anonimasu> :/
[16:51:34] <Jymmm> the movie, not tv show
[16:52:05] <Jymmm> andromeda
[16:52:41] <Jymmm> DTG == Distance To Go ? If so, what is the value mean?
[16:54:37] <Jymmm> I just went an octave by upping the feedoverride to 120%
[16:54:45] <Jymmm> lol
[16:54:52] <Jymmm> ^up
[16:55:00] <anonimasu> hm im having design issues
[16:55:03] <skunkworks> are you actually running your machine?
[16:55:19] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Yes, spindle off, 3d chips atm
[16:56:10] <Jymmm> I haven't tuned anything in emc yet, but just wanted to see if it'll crash
[17:00:29] <Jymmm> cradek: did you see that dual P3 mobo link I gave yesterday?
[17:04:11] <Jymmm> ROTFLMAO!!!! I'm running arcspiral.... my machine sounds like a air-raid siren!!!!!!
[17:07:29] <Jymmm> anonimasu: design issues?
[17:08:01] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:08:15] <Jymmm> details man, details
[17:08:22] <anonimasu> writing a canbus library for controlling some io modules, but my issues.. are what controls what..
[17:08:27] <anonimasu> I may have 127 modules at a network..
[17:08:49] <anonimasu> though I've already decidd..
[17:08:52] <anonimasu> decided..
[17:09:15] <anonimasu> each module is separate, with separate status outputs, but there's a busmaster that can throw a "START ALL" message to the.. or reset..
[17:10:08] <Jymmm> token ring! LOL
[17:10:29] <anonimasu> heh
[17:10:31] <anonimasu> canbus yeah ;)
[17:10:33] <Jymmm> does each module have to be slave/master or ??????
[17:10:36] <anonimasu> no
[17:10:39] <anonimasu> they are all slaves..
[17:10:45] <anonimasu> this is just internally in the plc..
[17:10:57] <anonimasu> that's the "busmaster" but each module is a object..
[17:11:19] <Jymmm> so each object could control another object?
[17:11:30] <anonimasu> each object corresponds to a io module..
[17:11:48] <anonimasu> no
[17:11:59] <anonimasu> the busmaster is the only one that can affect the whole bus..
[17:12:05] <anonimasu> the busmaster object ;)
[17:12:14] <anonimasu> "OverLordProcess" *grins*
[17:12:17] <anonimasu> just kidding
[17:12:39] <Jymmm> but you said ...... but my issues.. are what controls what..
[17:14:00] <anonimasu> I solved them they were all in my head..
[17:14:04] <anonimasu> I cant remember what they were now ;)
[17:14:21] <anonimasu> trivial shit I shouldnt be overanalyzing.
[17:14:57] <anonimasu> it's pretty simple each module takes care of it's own enable/disable/reset..
[17:15:29] <anonimasu> if I need a global one I'll just have them, all throw a reset message, as I dont care if there are modules on my bus that isnt in my program..
[17:15:39] <anonimasu> I dont want to reset them they may be doing other stuff..
[17:16:06] <anonimasu> that makes sense right?
[17:16:50] <Jymmmmmm> why not use a bitmask?
[17:17:04] <anonimasu> this is way higher level..
[17:17:19] <anonimasu> :)
[17:18:06] <Jymmmmmm> ok, how does SPI do it?
[17:18:18] <anonimasu> this is CANBUS
[17:18:25] <anonimasu> canopen to be exact..
[17:19:38] <anonimasu> :)
[17:23:15] <Jymmmmmm> over my head
[17:26:16] <anonimasu> it's not that complicated
[17:27:53] <ds3> CAN'Tbus
[17:28:07] <ds3> a design by committee system
[18:07:38] <cradek> Jymmm: I don't think I saw it
[18:18:35] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/Submakefile: if comp manpages have not been generated yet, then they were missed for HTML conversion when you 'make docs'
[18:22:08] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/share/axis/tcl/axis.tcl:
[18:22:08] <CIA-20> use menu texts instead of menu index numbers when enabling and disabling
[18:22:08] <CIA-20> menu items. this should make the code more robust against re-ordering
[18:22:08] <CIA-20> menus or adding new item numbers, and errors due to changed menu item names
[18:22:08] <CIA-20> should quickly be seen because they will generate tracebacks on the terminal
[18:23:06] <jepler> cradek: let me know (or just fix it) if you see any new enable/disable bugs due to the change I just checked in ^^^
[18:23:16] <cradek> ok
[18:23:53] <jepler> state {$task_state != $STATE_ESTOP} \
[18:23:53] <jepler> .toolbar.machine_power {.menu.machine "Toggle _Machine Power"}
[18:37:06] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[18:46:03] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/Makefile: set TRIVIAL_BUILD when dependency information should not be included, and use it
[18:46:44] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/Submakefile: use TRIVIAL_BUILD
[18:49:02] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/components/Submakefile: use TRIVIAL_BUILD
[18:50:04] <anonimasu> finally
[18:57:12] <jepler> anonimasu: wehat/s that?
[18:57:15] <jepler> what's that?
[19:57:00] <anonimasu> jepler: I solved today's task..
[20:00:33] <anonimasu> now for tomorrows.
[20:22:32] <e|m|c> 01,00...
[20:22:56] <skunkworks> that was odd.d
[20:23:07] <skunkworks> or o|d|d
[20:23:10] <anonimasu> :D
[20:44:45] <skunkworks> how come sometimes there are double # in front of some channels like ##electronics?
[20:46:01] <anonimasu> it means "about"
[21:14:59] <Guest263> hi everybody, before I make some decision about using linuxCNC, I'd like know how it is with other PCI cards ... Specially with ADLINK ...Does somebody know If it is possible set linuxcnc with adlink cards ?? Thank you very much for answer. Regards, Peter
[21:15:50] <alex_joni> hi Peter
[21:15:55] <alex_joni> got a link for that adlink card?
[21:16:23] <Guest263> moment, i will find it ....
[21:18:26] <Guest263> Thanks Alex for your interest, there is a link:
http://www.adlinktech.com/PD/web/PD_detail.php?cKind=&pid=24&seq=&id=&sid=
[21:21:05] <alex_joni> Guest263: right now it's not supported by linuxcnc (the actual name is emc)
[21:21:20] <alex_joni> but depending on the documentation they provide a driver could be written
[21:21:24] <robin_sz> meep?
[21:21:53] <robin_sz> evening :)
[21:22:25] <robin_sz> alex_joni, been welding aluminium with that Lorch
[21:22:39] <robin_sz> very nice
[21:23:45] <alex_joni> Guest263: I only see references to non-free software for that board
[21:24:11] <alex_joni> "All the software options are included in the ADLINK CD. The non-free
[21:24:11] <alex_joni> software drivers are protected with serial licensed code. Without the software
[21:24:11] <alex_joni> serial number, you can still install them and run the demo version for two
[21:24:11] <alex_joni> hours for demonstration purpose. Please contact ADLINK or the dealer to
[21:24:13] <alex_joni> purchase the software license serial code."
[21:24:44] <robin_sz> alex_joni, although we had to buy the water cooled torch option to do it properly
[21:25:05] <alex_joni> robin_sz: anything above 150 is crazy without
[21:25:11] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:25:40] <Guest263> alex_joni: it's ok ... I have correct driver for win and linux as well ... but is not open source ... can i use this driver
[21:25:58] <robin_sz> I hadnt owned a wc torch before, expected it to be more bulky than the mb36, its smaller, closer to an mb25
[21:26:34] <cradek> Guest263: the mesa 5i20 is a nice option with open source driver and a company behind it that's friendly to open source
[21:27:02] <alex_joni> Guest263: do you already have the board?
[21:27:28] <Guest263> Yes I have It already .... :-(
[21:27:42] <alex_joni> robin_sz: I don't sell any machines without wc torches (at least not machines with 200+A)
[21:28:08] <alex_joni> Guest263: it depends on what the linux driver does
[21:28:14] <alex_joni> but I suspect it's not useable with emc
[21:28:30] <robin_sz> alex_joni, yeah, on pulse synergic, the thing is hitting 600A on peaks, I^2R losses will be significant
[21:28:46] <cradek> it looks like it has relay outputs - that isn't going to be useful for any motor control anyway
[21:29:01] <alex_joni> mostly IO
[21:29:36] <cradek> isolated input only
[21:29:39] <cradek> no real output
[21:30:27] <robin_sz> alex_joni, I also had our welding crew tested to BS/EN whatver it is, multipass to 15mm, from horizontal to overhead
[21:30:28] <Guest263> Ok, but I have special milling machine with old relay controler, so It's very good to connect it stright to the relays ...
[21:30:53] <robin_sz> must be a very old mill
[21:31:48] <cradek> I don't understand how you could run a mill with this card
[21:32:26] <robin_sz> I presume he must have another card for the motor control
[21:32:30] <cradek> even if you had a realtime driver, which you don't
[21:32:42] <Guest263> this mill machine have only relays input for connecting gears ....
[21:32:57] <robin_sz> right
[21:33:14] <robin_sz> not to use this card for tha ctual proportional control of the motor drivess, right?
[21:33:26] <robin_sz> not to use this card for the actual proportional control of the motor drivess, right?
[21:34:26] <Guest263> yes, there is no way to control speed of motor, and I don't care about it ...
[21:35:00] <cradek> I don't understand how you want to use EMC then, all issues about this card aside
[21:35:22] <robin_sz> * robin_sz looks puzzled
[21:35:30] <cradek> me too
[21:35:51] <robin_sz> Guest263, does this mill have servo motors to move the axes from left to right etc?
[21:36:44] <skunkworks> someone was looking for small magnets.. a lot of hardrives have small (really small) powerful maganets to keep the head parked when powered off.
[21:37:02] <Guest263> yes, true, there is servo, but, I don't wont change existing enviroment, I wont add more functionality
[21:37:31] <robin_sz> hmm
[21:38:00] <robin_sz> so use existing control to drive the mill axes, use emc to do what then?
[21:38:51] <Guest263> no, no the existing control is low level only for manual use with switches and relays.
[21:39:20] <robin_sz> OK, so WHAT will control the serovs?
[21:39:34] <robin_sz> servos
[21:41:02] <Guest263> there is motor without changing speed, there is MANUAL gearbox to change ratio ....
[21:41:31] <robin_sz> Guest263, does this mill have servo motors to move the axes from left to right etc?
[21:41:50] <robin_sz> answer [yes, no]
[21:42:12] <alex_joni> maybe
[21:42:19] <Guest263> no
[21:42:26] <Guest263> there is only direct-current motor
[21:42:38] <anonimasu> :/
[21:42:39] <Guest263> this is very old mill ....
[21:42:49] <robin_sz> to move hte axes form left to right?
[21:42:50] <anonimasu> is that a servo motor?
[21:42:55] <mschuhmacher> Linux driver for ADLink PCI cards
[21:42:57] <mschuhmacher> http://www.acceed.de/group.phtml?g=34710
[21:43:10] <alex_joni> do you load a program on the mill?
[21:43:30] <robin_sz> I think it just has power feed on the X axis
[21:43:40] <anonimasu> it sounds like it
[21:43:41] <alex_joni> mschuhmacher: cool, but there's no open source driver
[21:43:56] <anonimasu> I guess the bigger problem is motors for the mill
[21:44:23] <Guest263> why??
[21:44:58] <robin_sz> Guest263, so, it has a dc motor for X AXIS right, no motor for Y or Z ??
[21:45:00] <anonimasu> Guest263: does the motor/motors you have now have encoders/tachos? or anything?
[21:45:25] <anonimasu> Guest263: because if the motors you have arent servo motors or stepper motors you will end up replacing them or adding encoders to them
[21:45:49] <robin_sz> I susoect it is single axis power feed
[21:47:28] <Guest263> robin_sz: yes there is one dc motor for all axis with gearbox and clutches for each axis...
[21:47:49] <robin_sz> Guest263, OK, right .. now
[21:48:04] <alex_joni> Guest263: not really usefull to put emc on it.. without majour rework
[21:48:05] <robin_sz> Guest263, so at least each axis is powered, thats a start
[21:48:39] <robin_sz> Guest263, each motor will need a encoder of some sort, so the computer can work out where the position is
[21:49:19] <alex_joni> robin_sz: he said one motor..
[21:49:28] <robin_sz> ahh,
[21:49:30] <Guest263> yes there are incremental counters for each axis ....
[21:49:41] <robin_sz> Guest263, electronic counters?
[21:49:55] <Guest263> yes electoric ... IRC
[21:50:04] <anonimasu> do you have a image of the mill?
[21:50:08] <anonimasu> I guess that would be much easier
[21:50:42] <Guest263> not yet ... let me describe situation more detaily.
[21:51:00] <robin_sz> alex_joni, his english is not so good, so when he said "one motor for all axes" .. it could mean one per axis or something different
[21:51:21] <alex_joni> robin_sz: mine's not that great either.. :)
[21:51:30] <robin_sz> alex_joni, aww, it is
[21:52:05] <Guest263> wait .... No there is only one DC motor for moving all axis !!!! everybody understand ?
[21:52:21] <alex_joni> yeah..
[21:52:23] <alex_joni> motor count = 1
[21:52:47] <alex_joni> axis count = 3
[21:52:48] <Guest263> yes!!!!!!! DCmotor_count=1 !!!!
[21:53:03] <Guest263> IRC_count=3 .....
[21:53:06] <alex_joni> Guest263: so you want to CNC the mill?
[21:53:33] <Guest263> alex_joni:exactly .... super ....
[21:53:43] <anonimasu> to do that you will need 3 motors with encoders or stepper motors
[21:53:44] <alex_joni> Guest263: then you need:
[21:53:47] <robin_sz> Guest263, do you have access to a hacksaw?
[21:53:49] <alex_joni> one motor on each axis
[21:54:01] <alex_joni> rip out all the gears and clutches
[21:54:17] <robin_sz> thats where the hacksaw comes in :)
[21:55:05] <Guest263> not possible ....!!! a can not touch the mill only electronic ...
[21:55:54] <anonimasu> do you have any idea how a cnc mill works?
[21:56:17] <anonimasu> what parts that are involved making it move?
[21:56:22] <Guest263> Yes I do....
[21:56:37] <anonimasu> Then you understand that you need to get rid if the motor and the clutches
[21:57:35] <robin_sz> basically, EMC isn't for you
[21:57:44] <anonimasu> robin_sz: stfu.
[21:58:01] <Guest263> no ... I don't need to rid motor, maybe it would be slow, but it can work ...
[21:58:08] <robin_sz> you wish :) ...
[21:58:16] <anonimasu> Guest263: No, you dont have a choice.
[21:58:38] <Guest263> robin_sz ... and is there any other product what could be useful for me ??
[21:58:40] <anonimasu> Guest263: unless you want one axis computer controlled and that would be useless
[21:58:46] <anonimasu> Guest263: no.
[21:58:48] <robin_sz> Guest263, no.
[21:59:23] <Guest263> thanks guys, so this is not about ADLINK, this is about mill very nice :-)
[21:59:45] <Guest263> then I create my own sw .... hope ....
[21:59:53] <robin_sz> Guest263, you will not achieve anything useful until you get out the saw and remove the current drives, I donthink you are going to do that, so I suspect CNC is not for you
[22:00:11] <anonimasu> Guest263: Are you being stupid?
[22:00:23] <anonimasu> Guest263: You Cant make a cnc mill with one motor.
[22:00:28] <anonimasu> that's it period..
[22:00:54] <anonimasu> Guest263: your issue is the hardware not with emc.. emc will control anything you like..
[22:00:59] <anonimasu> almost..
[22:00:59] <robin_sz> well, you *could* ... but it would be way, WAY harder than you wold want, and it would only do straight lines
[22:01:14] <Guest263> come one guys I'm full of enthusiasm, and you making me sad now ...
[22:01:28] <robin_sz> well, we are trying to save yo a lot of trouble
[22:01:33] <robin_sz> really,
[22:01:34] <toastyde1th> a one motor saw?
[22:01:35] <toastyde1th> cnc saw?
[22:01:38] <toastyde1th> that sounds like a super idea
[22:01:40] <robin_sz> hoenstly
[22:01:51] <robin_sz> for a saw, yes
[22:01:59] <robin_sz> for a 3 axis mill?
[22:02:02] <toastyde1th> i know i'd love to have a cnc control for my blade speed only
[22:02:04] <toastyde1th> and no other functions
[22:02:12] <anonimasu> toastyde1th: be serious please..
[22:02:43] <mschuhmacher> Guest263 want to do controlled positioning for drilling holes
[22:03:29] <robin_sz> I guess it *could* work for that
[22:04:04] <robin_sz> select X axis, move, select Y axis, move, drill hole, etc
[22:04:13] <robin_sz> G2 and G3 .. forget it though
[22:04:18] <mschuhmacher> he wants no g02 or so
[22:04:29] <mschuhmacher> he wants g01
[22:04:31] <alex_joni> mschuhmacher: then it's not really CNC
[22:04:33] <Guest263> thanks guys for enthusiasm .... I'm logging off now and would be crying for next couple of weeks ...
[22:04:41] <alex_joni> Guest263: :)
[22:04:46] <robin_sz> sorry, thats life
[22:04:53] <alex_joni> mschuhmacher: G01 on one axis at a time
[22:04:58] <alex_joni> can't do G01x1y1
[22:05:06] <anonimasu> Guest263: Well, you need to start with a realistic goal..
[22:05:16] <toastyde1th> well wait guys
[22:05:16] <alex_joni> Guest263: if your expectations are really limited
[22:05:20] <Guest263> why I can create g02 very slow but it should be working :-)
[22:05:21] <alex_joni> then it might work out
[22:05:22] <toastyde1th> what if he used a hydraulic pump
[22:05:25] <toastyde1th> on the one motor
[22:05:30] <toastyde1th> that way he could have one motor
[22:05:31] <mschuhmacher> there are old cnc mills who can do only one axis at one time
[22:05:47] <anonimasu> mschuhmacher: that's still not using one motor and a clutch
[22:06:02] <robin_sz> mschuhmacher, maybem, but in this day and age, building new ones would be a mistake
[22:06:49] <Guest263> no ... the moving is possible in each axis simultaly so 45 degree is not problem ...
[22:06:52] <chr0n1c> oh my
[22:07:09] <alex_joni> how about 41.37
[22:07:12] <toastyde1th> move all axis, for great justice
[22:07:19] <chr0n1c> i think it's just a power feed
[22:07:24] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:08:13] <Guest263> and how you create 41.37 degree in 3 motors, you need to divide it into smaller steps as well as me ....
[22:08:35] <toastyde1th> what's wrong with using a manual drill press
[22:08:42] <anonimasu> Guest263: Yes, but a clutch wont do that..
[22:08:57] <anonimasu> Guest263: not even remotely _ok_
[22:09:03] <chr0n1c> rip off the power feeds on it now
[22:09:13] <chr0n1c> Guest263 and put stepper motors on it
[22:09:15] <anonimasu> Guest263: There is practical limit to how fast you can move it.
[22:09:40] <anonimasu> Guest263: and well, your 45 degree's will look like staircases..
[22:09:41] <anonimasu> big ones.
[22:09:59] <robin_sz> will be smooth,
[22:10:07] <robin_sz> engage both clutches
[22:10:13] <chr0n1c> no!
[22:10:16] <chr0n1c> lol
[22:10:19] <robin_sz> exactly 45 degrees and smooth
[22:10:21] <toastyde1th> i love this channel.
[22:10:33] <alex_joni> toastyde1th: how come?
[22:10:38] <toastyde1th> i dunno man
[22:10:40] <alex_joni> btw, we love you too
[22:10:43] <toastyde1th> ty
[22:10:43] <alex_joni> lol
[22:10:45] <chr0n1c> cuz we're toasty?
[22:10:52] <toastyde1th> toastyde1th is now known as toastydeath
[22:11:07] <alex_joni> Guest263: like I said.. if you have _REALLY_ low expectations
[22:11:08] <toastydeath> not many places engage in a serious discussion about using one motor and some clutches for cnc
[22:11:13] <alex_joni> you might get something
[22:11:19] <anonimasu> toastydeath: it's not a serious one
[22:11:27] <alex_joni> Guest263: but it's far from what people in here will dare to call CNC
[22:11:31] <mschuhmacher> I also have such a machine with a clutch
[22:11:38] <anonimasu> I used to have..
[22:12:05] <chr0n1c> we have a huge mill, that has hydraulic pwoer feeds..
[22:12:11] <chr0n1c> it has gears to change speed
[22:12:23] <toastydeath> man, huge mills are awesome
[22:12:27] <chr0n1c> you can do all 3 at the same time if you got it full of fluid
[22:12:40] <chr0n1c> then you can only move the two that fill up first if not
[22:12:54] <alex_joni> chr0n1c: that sounds like a joke..
[22:12:56] <Guest263> alex_joni: thanks for your time, it is very helpful for me .... I'll thinking about your words ....
[22:12:57] <alex_joni> (I know it's not)
[22:13:02] <mschuhmacher> there is an antique cross-rail distributor used to control movement
[22:13:06] <chr0n1c> it's funny, lol, but i'm serious
[22:13:37] <alex_joni> well.. umm.. I can't cut that circle downwards.. I can only do it in XY
[22:13:48] <alex_joni> not enough fluid for Z
[22:13:53] <chr0n1c> lol
[22:13:55] <mschuhmacher> with position switches
[22:13:59] <chr0n1c> we just use it to square things up
[22:14:17] <chr0n1c> i made them buy a newer bridgeport knockoff for me
[22:14:18] <robin_sz> we just built a coolant plant for a "biggish" mill ...
[22:14:33] <chr0n1c> i refused to work on the old old old leather belt bridgeport they had
[22:15:08] <robin_sz> nice machining cell, with a 120 tool changer
[22:15:21] <chr0n1c> that does sound nice robin_sz
[22:15:25] <robin_sz> palletised, 6 machines in the cell etc
[22:15:30] <Guest263> bye guys, and thank you again ....
[22:15:34] <alex_joni> robin_sz: seen a nice bot used for a toolchange rack
[22:15:45] <alex_joni> Guest263: bye.. let us know how it goes :)
[22:15:45] <robin_sz> alex_joni, ooh, nice idea
[22:15:57] <alex_joni> robin_sz: big bot in a round room
[22:16:01] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:16:02] <alex_joni> with lots of shelves all around
[22:16:07] <robin_sz> love it
[22:16:11] <alex_joni> there is a turntable at the bottom
[22:16:21] <robin_sz> pick one, place one
[22:16:27] <alex_joni> operator puts program into the DNC
[22:16:33] <alex_joni> robot prepares 6 tools
[22:16:44] <toastydeath> THEN, THE ROBOT KILLS THE OPERATOR
[22:16:51] <toastydeath> and moves forward with its plan for world domination
[22:16:55] <alex_joni> operator takes the 6 tools and brings them to the mill
[22:16:59] <robin_sz> oh
[22:17:04] <chr0n1c> we built a robot cell for a place in utah.. it loaded airbag bottles into a rack.. then moved the rack down the way.. then the arm picked up one bottle at a time.. drilled it 4 places.. turned it.. drilled more... put it back in the rack... then did the same for all the bottles. then loaded another rack on the conveyor
[22:17:08] <robin_sz> it sounded great until then
[22:17:13] <chr0n1c> mexicans then unloaded the racks
[22:17:37] <alex_joni> robin_sz: there were actually 4 such systems at the company I visited
[22:17:51] <alex_joni> kinda like automated warehouse people
[22:18:16] <robin_sz> alex_joni, now, if the robot had taken tools out of the tool carousel on the machine, and popped them back into the library ... I could have understood it, using an operator to carry them .. well. ... pass me a candle and a cartwheel
[22:18:31] <alex_joni> robin_sz: agreed
[22:18:40] <chr0n1c> lol...
[22:18:50] <alex_joni> seems silly to spend 90-100k for a bot, only to put and take tools from shelves
[22:19:00] <robin_sz> yep
[22:19:01] <alex_joni> a ladder is something like 20 quid
[22:19:09] <chr0n1c> a 6 foot 5 axis fanuc robot arm with custom gripper fingers.. :D
[22:19:21] <robin_sz> alex_joni, there are other costs besdies the ladder
[22:19:23] <alex_joni> chr0n1c: this was 6 axes kuka
[22:19:31] <alex_joni> about 3m tall
[22:19:36] <chr0n1c> i'm in love
[22:19:37] <robin_sz> alex_joni, like, the guy to run up and down the ladder
[22:19:43] <robin_sz> chr0n1c, with me?
[22:19:50] <alex_joni> robin_sz: you mean the same one taking the tools from the turntable?
[22:20:04] <robin_sz> alex_joni, ok, point
[22:20:14] <alex_joni> or the fact that he will have to climb the ladder instead of taking a cigarette break?
[22:20:20] <robin_sz> chr0n1c, I'm female, 22 and blonde if that helps
[22:20:21] <chr0n1c> lol, the fanuc robot programmer guy... moved the robot and pinched a guys ass while he was testing it.. the guy was one of our machinists.. he was working on the conveyor belt
[22:20:47] <chr0n1c> in love with a robot.. not a silly girl
[22:20:50] <alex_joni> did he have a screwdriver?
[22:21:01] <toastydeath> the plot thickens
[22:21:13] <alex_joni> _never_ trust programmers that carry screwdrivers around
[22:21:24] <chr0n1c> hmmmm
[22:21:28] <toastydeath> for some reason that sounds like legitimate advice
[22:21:33] <anonimasu> lol
[22:21:37] <anonimasu> that's pretty impressive
[22:21:37] <chr0n1c> it is good advice
[22:22:09] <alex_joni> anonimasu: the ladder?
[22:22:12] <chr0n1c> but we used socket head cap screws with allen heads.. so unless he had allen wrenches, we are safe with a screwdriver in his hand
[22:22:19] <anonimasu> pinching people in the ass ;)
[22:22:23] <alex_joni> haha
[22:22:36] <alex_joni> unless you use 50Nm
[22:22:36] <robin_sz> I had an idea for my robot ...
[22:22:47] <robin_sz> it did involve someones ass also
[22:22:53] <toastydeath> i believe the only appropriate idea for a robot is "world domination"
[22:22:55] <alex_joni> did you weld anything with it yet?
[22:23:02] <robin_sz> not yeat
[22:23:02] <chr0n1c> WORLD DOMINATION!
[22:23:03] <anonimasu> haha
[22:23:11] <anonimasu> lets TOASTY to that!
[22:23:12] <alex_joni> toastydeath: that's for automated vacuum cleaners
[22:23:13] <robin_sz> but we did build a base and the start of a cell
[22:23:44] <robin_sz> alex_joni, mounted it on a 30mm steel plate and 100x50mm channel
[22:23:52] <robin_sz> alex_joni, built a jig table
[22:23:53] <alex_joni> I see
[22:24:07] <robin_sz> alex_joni, wired it up and ran out of time :)
[22:24:18] <chr0n1c> i thought possibly i should build my own cnc robot arm.. with servos and shite
[22:24:24] <robin_sz> nah
[22:24:26] <robin_sz> just buy one
[22:24:27] <chr0n1c> maybe 3 feet tall
[22:24:32] <robin_sz> just buy one
[22:24:32] <alex_joni> chr0n1c: get a puma off ebay
[22:24:41] <robin_sz> $1000
[22:24:45] <chr0n1c> no kidding?
[22:24:49] <chr0n1c> could it hold router?
[22:24:53] <robin_sz> nah
[22:24:55] <chr0n1c> a router*
[22:25:01] <alex_joni> well.. it can
[22:25:05] <alex_joni> but not cut with it
[22:25:06] <robin_sz> well, maybe, but nah
[22:25:06] <chr0n1c> see... mine would have a router in the arm
[22:25:20] <robin_sz> buy an ABB for $3000 and it could
[22:25:23] <anonimasu> chr0n1c: I did the calcs for 6kg payload..
[22:25:23] <alex_joni> chr0n1c: what kind of cutting force are you aiming for?
[22:25:25] <toastydeath> mine would have a velociraptor.
[22:25:30] <chr0n1c> and it would be able to take like 1/4 inch cuts through a plate of steel
[22:25:37] <alex_joni> 6kg payload is nothing
[22:25:39] <robin_sz> no, it wouldnt
[22:25:42] <Dallur> ok tha'ts it, it's time for EMC to include Asimov's laws
[22:25:45] <anonimasu> alex_joni: it's still expensive as hell if you build it..
[22:25:51] <chr0n1c> no?
[22:25:53] <robin_sz> no
[22:25:58] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I did calculations for motors/gearing/drives..
[22:26:00] <chr0n1c> i never built one
[22:26:00] <alex_joni> at 150kg payload.. maybe
[22:26:01] <robin_sz> not 6mm cuts in steel
[22:26:04] <chr0n1c> so i was just dreaming
[22:26:11] <chr0n1c> but i COULD build one
[22:26:12] <skunkworksX2> wow leave for a few minutes and the plase starts hopping
[22:26:14] <chr0n1c> it would be fun to play with
[22:26:22] <robin_sz> a 150kg bot ... mmm
[22:26:25] <anonimasu> chr0n1c: calculate the amount of $ that needs to go into it
[22:26:28] <anonimasu> ;)
[22:26:35] <robin_sz> it would have the poswer, but too much backlash
[22:26:39] <anonimasu> chr0n1c: you will be surprised I were..
[22:26:52] <alex_joni> robin_sz: we have some with 150 and 165kg payload
[22:26:58] <robin_sz> you can buy a fully working 150Kg rated bot for like $10K
[22:27:02] <chr0n1c> yeah... i could do some serious afro engineering and save time
[22:27:02] <alex_joni> +/- 0.5 mm repeatability though
[22:27:15] <robin_sz> alex_joni, yeahm but the backlash ...
[22:27:15] <chr0n1c> and $
[22:27:18] <chr0n1c> lol
[22:27:26] <anonimasu> well people here complaing about $120 for a gecko..
[22:27:27] <alex_joni> robin_sz: you mean motor stiffness?
[22:27:31] <robin_sz> alex_joni, thats the problem, would need to be real stiff
[22:27:31] <alex_joni> or mechanical becklash
[22:27:37] <chr0n1c> but.. maybe i'll jus tstick to mills and lathes
[22:27:37] <alex_joni> backlash even
[22:27:52] <Dallur> just make it hydraulic and control it with solenoid valves
[22:27:55] <robin_sz> alex_joni, not motor stiffenss, but gearing backlash and flex inthe 2,4m long arms
[22:28:00] <toastydeath> becklash: error in leadscrew positioning due to angry musicians
[22:28:13] <alex_joni> toastydeath: no leadscrews on bots
[22:28:19] <chr0n1c> AHH not those guys again
[22:28:27] <toastydeath> =(
[22:28:40] <toastydeath> i am going to buy a robot and weld a leadscrew onto it
[22:28:45] <toastydeath> just to prove you wrong =(
[22:29:00] <Dallur> toastydeath; A rhumba does not count as a robot
[22:29:02] <robin_sz> you know it will just beat you about the head with it
[22:29:07] <toastydeath> blast =(
[22:29:11] <chr0n1c> if someone in thier backyard furnace starts making robot arm castings..
[22:29:23] <anonimasu> chr0n1c: what motors will you run?
[22:29:28] <anonimasu> ask alex about prices ;)
[22:29:36] <chr0n1c> depends on how big the arms are...
[22:29:38] <chr0n1c> i suppose
[22:29:40] <robin_sz> robots are cheap
[22:30:06] <chr0n1c> servo's aren't cheap...
[22:30:06] <toastydeath> name your robot "zuul"
[22:30:11] <chr0n1c> i looked at a few
[22:30:29] <chr0n1c> my robot would be named.. chr0n1cBOT
[22:30:33] <toastydeath> oh =(
[22:30:41] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/vi/11660265.htm?ca=1_12_s
[22:30:41] <toastydeath> that just sounds like a marijuana-smoking robot
[22:30:48] <robin_sz> http://www.robotsltd.co.uk/ABB-IRB1500.htm
[22:31:11] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/vi/10355741.htm?ca=1_12_s
[22:31:12] <anonimasu> or that..
[22:31:20] <anonimasu> maybe I should buy them ;)
[22:31:30] <chr0n1c> i didn't know robots liked to smoke out?
[22:31:40] <anonimasu> ~2000£
[22:31:41] <toastydeath> i bet "chron1cbot" would like to smoke out
[22:31:42] <anonimasu> err
[22:31:42] <anonimasu> $
[22:31:43] <toastydeath> HENCE THE NAME
[22:31:52] <chr0n1c> hmm
[22:32:11] <chr0n1c> are you a cop? (my robot wants to know...)
[22:32:26] <toastydeath> lol what
[22:32:31] <chr0n1c> huh?
[22:32:45] <toastydeath> SIR WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY SOME KIND BUD
[22:32:48] <toastydeath> OVER THIS IRC NETWORK
[22:32:57] <chr0n1c> UHH my robot might
[22:32:57] <toastydeath> no i am not a cop
[22:33:07] <chr0n1c> i was just being silly
[22:33:09] <chr0n1c> lol
[22:33:11] <toastydeath> i am a twentysomething degenerate
[22:33:15] <chr0n1c> i am crackin up over here
[22:33:27] <chr0n1c> hey me too!
[22:33:34] <alex_joni> same here
[22:33:38] <toastydeath> hey we rule!
[22:33:39] <toastydeath> a+ guy
[22:33:40] <toastydeath> s
[22:33:57] <chr0n1c> in my dad's words.. i'm a "worthless 27 yr old P.O.S."
[22:34:01] <chr0n1c> so i think i got you beat
[22:34:11] <toastydeath> from the sound of things your dad has you beat
[22:34:13] <chr0n1c> ha
[22:34:16] <chr0n1c> not really...
[22:34:22] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:34:46] <chr0n1c> anyways...
[22:34:57] <toastydeath> it never got weird enough for me.
[22:35:05] <chr0n1c> i engraved that nascar logo into a pc. of brushed aluminum...
[22:35:14] <chr0n1c> except i changed it to only be an outline
[22:35:23] <chr0n1c> it looks.. badass
[22:35:26] <chr0n1c> !
[22:35:30] <toastydeath> nice
[22:36:03] <chr0n1c> ..pic link coming shortly...
[22:38:37] <chr0n1c> YES I REALLY REALLY WANT TO EXIT MASTERCAM
[22:39:52] <robin_sz> really?
[22:40:00] <chr0n1c> fo rizzle
[22:40:06] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[22:41:09] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/nascar/2/alum1.jpg
[22:41:15] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/nascar/2/alum2.jpg
[22:41:18] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/nascar/2/alum3.jpg
[22:42:03] <chr0n1c> uhh beware.. the pics are kinda huge
[22:42:11] <chr0n1c> 1280x something i think
[22:42:14] <eric_u> Nascar, because nobody wants to turn left
[22:42:18] <chr0n1c> ha
[22:42:24] <chr0n1c> i don't like it...
[22:42:35] <chr0n1c> but my buddy wanted me to engrave something
[22:42:48] <chr0n1c> so i been testing out different ways to cut it
[22:42:57] <chr0n1c> profile.. or pockets
[22:42:58] <eric_u> I screwed up the motto, nobody wants to turn right
[22:43:01] <chr0n1c> or contour
[22:43:21] <eric_u> did you design it?
[22:43:25] <eric_u> looks nice
[22:43:30] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/nascar/ <- plastic
[22:43:33] <chr0n1c> yeah
[22:43:38] <chr0n1c> i drew it from a logo
[22:43:45] <chr0n1c> kinda half me drawing
[22:43:51] <chr0n1c> and hal of a scan
[22:43:53] <chr0n1c> half*
[22:44:04] <chr0n1c> and.. thanks
[22:44:47] <chr0n1c> this brusehed aluminum has a clearcoat.. so as long as your chips don't melt into it.. whatever you cut looks awesome
[22:44:59] <chr0n1c> brushed*
[22:45:47] <mschuhmacher> you could anodisize it with a different colour
[22:45:52] <chr0n1c> yup
[22:46:13] <chr0n1c> you;d hafta strip the clearcoat off firs.. maybe with some thinnner and soaking it
[22:46:35] <mschuhmacher> I mean dont strip the cleaarcoat off
[22:46:46] <chr0n1c> otherwise.. you can make it any color and cut off the engraving and it will be shiny alum again
[22:46:55] <chr0n1c> don't strip it?
[22:46:58] <chr0n1c> and jsut anodize the cut?
[22:47:12] <mschuhmacher> only the engraving would be affected
[22:47:13] <chr0n1c> i filled this one in with a green sharpie
[22:47:30] <chr0n1c> the solution wouldn't screw up my clearcoat?
[22:47:32] <mschuhmacher> wit transparent color
[22:47:48] <mschuhmacher> you have to test it
[22:48:06] <mschuhmacher> on an other peace of alu
[22:48:26] <mschuhmacher> piece
[22:48:47] <chr0n1c> if i had more room here i would set up a bunch of color tanks.. (small ones)
[22:48:57] <chr0n1c> for that kinda thing...
[22:49:15] <chr0n1c> i saw a website where a guy was doing different colors in coleman coolers
[22:52:04] <mschuhmacher> you could cover a new piece of alu with a protective foil before cutting, than engave the first part than you could anodisize with transparent green or so and do the next
[22:52:40] <chr0n1c> !
[22:52:47] <chr0n1c> brilliant
[22:53:08] <ds3> at that point, isn't it easier to chemically etch it?
[22:54:00] <chr0n1c> we had a kit to touch up parts we modified at work.. it was a qtip and some fluid that turned the aluminum black in seconds... looked just like anodizing
[22:54:34] <chr0n1c> i used the fluid to color in some engraving or job numbers on this one aluminum plate that was anodized bright blue... looked killer
[22:54:51] <chr0n1c> of *
[22:56:05] <ds3> engraving on acrylic is more fun
[22:57:09] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/cnc2/thumb/cnc%20059.jpg <- the tail flap gal in acrylic lit up
[22:57:40] <chr0n1c> it was a ghetto program...
[22:57:45] <chr0n1c> jsut practicing
[22:57:50] <chr0n1c> jsut*
[22:58:01] <chr0n1c> and my plastic moved cuz i didn't have it clamped down well
[22:58:16] <chr0n1c> grr typos
[22:58:28] <chr0n1c> maybe i can program my mini mill to tpye for me
[22:58:31] <chr0n1c> type*
[22:58:32] <ds3> is that the light from the bottom or edge?
[22:58:36] <chr0n1c> the bottom
[22:58:47] <chr0n1c> it's on top of my korg kaoss pad
[22:58:49] <ds3> nice
[22:58:51] <chr0n1c> with the lights out
[22:59:00] <ds3> I usually get better results on mine with light on the bottom
[22:59:12] <chr0n1c> i made it so people quit sticking thier fingers on my pad all the time
[22:59:23] <chr0n1c> that engraving is crap
[22:59:28] <chr0n1c> or it would be better
[22:59:37] <chr0n1c> but.. it was a quickie
[22:59:45] <chr0n1c> i went waay too deep
[22:59:58] <ds3> what tool do you use?
[23:00:15] <chr0n1c> a 1/8 wood routing bit, lol
[23:00:23] <chr0n1c> i told ya it was ghetto
[23:00:34] <ds3> oh those heh
[23:00:37] <chr0n1c> if i was doin it for real i'd use a center drill and not go as deep
[23:00:47] <ds3> why center drill?
[23:00:53] <chr0n1c> i like em!
[23:01:14] <chr0n1c> they cut cut the chamfer if you go just deep enough
[23:01:21] <chr0n1c> no deburring the lines!
[23:01:23] <Jymmm> you have a larger pic?
[23:01:32] <ds3> but so do the 'engraving' V bits
[23:01:34] <chr0n1c> use a no2 centerdrill
[23:01:36] <chr0n1c> i think
[23:01:43] <chr0n1c> it's like .125 diameter?
[23:01:51] <chr0n1c> and the tip is about .030
[23:01:57] <ds3> 0.125 shank, 60deg tip
[23:02:37] <chr0n1c> hmm.. ther eis a link to the full size pic under that one
[23:03:09] <Jymmm> you gave the link to the thubnail doirectly
[23:03:14] <Jymmm> directly
[23:03:18] <chr0n1c> ohhh
[23:03:26] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cnc/cnc2/cnc%20059.html
[23:03:28] <chr0n1c> silly me
[23:03:39] <ds3> Hmmm it looked a lot better in the thumbnail ;)
[23:03:45] <chr0n1c> that was a really fuckin small pic then, sorry
[23:03:50] <chr0n1c> haha
[23:05:25] <chr0n1c> anyways.. people are always in my office and they keep touching my kaoss pad and it pisses me off
[23:05:33] <chr0n1c> so i made a ghetto cover for it
[23:05:51] <Jymmm> what is the dimensions of that?
[23:06:11] <chr0n1c> it is programmes with different effects for the audio going to my stereo...
[23:06:25] <Jymmm> no the cover you made
[23:06:26] <chr0n1c> it's uhhh 3.5 x 4
[23:06:32] <Jymmm> inches?
[23:06:35] <chr0n1c> yup
[23:07:21] <ds3> is the plastic burnt or colored?
[23:07:33] <chr0n1c> it's a sharpie
[23:07:38] <chr0n1c> i lvoe sharpies!
[23:07:41] <chr0n1c> love even
[23:07:48] <robin_sz> whatver the fsck they are
[23:07:54] <chr0n1c> fsking yeah!
[23:08:21] <robin_sz> right, well this girl has to go to bed
[23:08:29] <chr0n1c> gnight..
[23:08:40] <robin_sz> indeed :)
[23:08:49] <chr0n1c> so she wa serious when she said she was a hot blonde?
[23:08:52] <chr0n1c> lol
[23:09:06] <mschuhmacher> good night
[23:09:11] <mschuhmacher> all
[23:11:23] <JymmmEMC> Lousy photo (poor lighting)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/84/206158222_cb5c34978c.jpg
[23:12:16] <chr0n1c> hell yeah jymm
[23:12:20] <chr0n1c> that's art
[23:12:30] <Jymmm> lol
[23:13:00] <chr0n1c> i never tried anything that fancy yet
[23:13:00] <alex_joni> night all
[23:13:08] <chr0n1c> later alex_joni
[23:13:09] <anonimasu> night
[23:13:10] <anonimasu> im going too
[23:13:11] <Jymmm> see ya in a few alex_joni
[23:13:21] <alex_joni> Jymmm: yeah..
[23:13:21] <Jymmm> hasta anonimasu
[23:23:26] <ds3> is a black background the key to making acrylic engravings show up in photos?
[23:23:42] <chr0n1c> lighting
[23:23:57] <ds3> from where?
[23:24:00] <chr0n1c> try different angles to the light.. and different camera angles
[23:24:10] <chr0n1c> depends on the engraving
[23:24:20] <chr0n1c> same with pics of other things
[23:24:31] <chr0n1c> try about 15 different angles and pic the best...
[23:24:35] <ds3> the only thing that I ever got that was visible in a photo is on aluminum -
[23:24:46] <ds3> http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~huny/engraving/mona-eng.jpg
[23:24:53] <chr0n1c> light it from the back or the edges
[23:24:54] <ds3> my plastic ones wash out
[23:24:58] <chr0n1c> with acolored light....
[23:25:14] <chr0n1c> some of it may be the camera...
[23:25:18] <ds3> colored? Hmmm I tried clamping work lights around and using a dimmer and that didn't seem to help
[23:25:44] <chr0n1c> try just some greenor red leds thrown behind it in the dark
[23:26:06] <chr0n1c> or a dark room and just one light a fur piece behind it
[23:26:09] <ds3> guess I will when I have time
[23:26:41] <chr0n1c> a dark room, a light behind and below
[23:26:49] <chr0n1c> pinting towards it
[23:26:53] <chr0n1c> pointing*
[23:27:06] <chr0n1c> with the engraving in the air
[23:27:09] <chr0n1c> stinding up
[23:27:15] <chr0n1c> standing
[23:27:51] <chr0n1c> that mona pic looks good
[23:28:15] <ds3> the plastic one looks better in person but...
[23:28:27] <chr0n1c> how did you program it?
[23:28:34] <ds3> program ?
[23:28:47] <chr0n1c> i have been usinf a util called "profiler06" for windows to do 3d pics
[23:28:55] <chr0n1c> to write the g-code
[23:28:56] <ds3> oh the conversion... I have my own process
[23:29:13] <ds3> originally was a perl script; has evolved into a C program
[23:29:20] <chr0n1c> ahh...
[23:29:37] <ds3> takes ASCII format PBM's
[23:29:46] <chr0n1c> interesting
[23:30:02] <chr0n1c> google for profiler06
[23:30:09] <chr0n1c> check it out maybe sometime
[23:30:20] <chr0n1c> i don't know how i found it years ago but it works
[23:30:30] <chr0n1c> you gotta toy with the settings to get good results
[23:30:48] <ds3> it runs in windows. enuff said.
[23:30:54] <chr0n1c> :o
[23:31:06] <chr0n1c> i do all my drawing/art/programming in winders
[23:31:19] <ds3> why? it is so much more painful
[23:31:20] <chr0n1c> and then save the g-code to my emc box with same ahared folders
[23:31:32] <chr0n1c> noo.. i use photoshop a lot
[23:31:41] <chr0n1c> and not things i know how to do in gimp
[23:31:44] <ds3> ah.
[23:32:12] <ds3> conversions with ImageMagik/xv/gimp/netpbm/etc are so much easier
[23:32:14] <chr0n1c> and windows.. hate to say it.. JUST works for mainstream stuff
[23:32:20] <chr0n1c> cnc maybe not.. so i go with emc
[23:32:23] <chr0n1c> it's the best in the class
[23:32:33] <ds3> windows makes it hard to script
[23:32:45] <chr0n1c> linux is good for geek stuff
[23:32:47] <ds3> once I get a recipe done, pop it in a makefile for quick automation
[23:32:49] <chr0n1c> like cnc and servers
[23:33:00] <chr0n1c> and widows is good for everyday stuff
[23:33:04] <ds3> esp. nice if I have to do 20 versions to find out what's a good parameter
[23:33:34] <chr0n1c> see i don't do much in the lines of programming
[23:34:05] <ds3> make is useful for anything that needs to be updated based on dependencies
[23:34:15] <chr0n1c> a website once in a while, i ceven get confused trying to edit css or xml
[23:35:03] <Jymmm> jepler: Didn;t you say once, that you can load up gcode and est how long it'll take to run?
[23:35:11] <chr0n1c> yeah
[23:35:13] <chr0n1c> in axis
[23:35:15] <chr0n1c> i found it
[23:35:18] <Jymmm> where?
[23:35:19] <chr0n1c> in file properties
[23:35:26] <Jymmm> ?
[23:35:32] <chr0n1c> but if you are changing speeds you gotta do the math inyour head
[23:35:36] <Jymmm> all I see is FILE MACHINE VIEW
[23:35:59] <chr0n1c> running axis?
[23:36:06] <Jymmm> yep
[23:36:15] <chr0n1c> click the file menu after you load your code
[23:36:22] <chr0n1c> then pick properties
[23:36:45] <JymmmEMC> ah gotcha, dynamic menus
[23:36:50] <chr0n1c> aye cap'n
[23:37:20] <chr0n1c> that's why i didn't ever see it
[23:37:31] <Jymmm> just used to menu options being there, but dim if unavailable
[23:37:55] <chr0n1c> mention something to cradek...
[23:39:46] <Jymmm> I ll take this computer to work tonight and try to uninstall all the extras and see if I can get a lil better performance out of it.
[23:40:13] <chr0n1c> i wish i could take my computer to work.. :(
[23:41:34] <Jymmm> =)
