#emc | Logs for 2007-04-23

[00:41:03] <Jymmmmmmm> oh hum
[00:53:55] <Jymmmmmmm> Well, lets see how many times I have to install on this box to find out it's gonna fail
[00:59:38] <Jymmmmmmm> holy shit.... ovl max 8678890ns
[01:00:08] <cradek> that's a new record
[01:02:59] <Jymmmmmmm> So, dont use this board EVER ---> http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/Manual_Model.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=1378&ProductName=GA-6VEML
[01:04:00] <cradek> did you check power management etc in the bios?
[01:04:45] <Jymmmmmmm> turned it off completely, and X just crashed on this system too
[01:04:56] <Jymmmmmmm> running glxgears and rt test
[01:06:32] <Jymmmmmmm> ok, back in 90
[01:12:45] <eric_u> I had a mobo that never worked right, the memory sockets wouldn't hold the memory correctly.
[01:31:53] <chr0n1c> don't hate me guys.. but i set up another hd i can swap out for the emc drive in my cnc box... i loaded freedos and turbo cnc... to test it out because i had never used it
[01:32:00] <chr0n1c> i get the same results pretty much
[01:32:19] <chr0n1c> there is a tad improvement on feedrates.... but not much
[01:32:34] <chr0n1c> that says a lot for emc running with all that linux jazz in the background
[01:32:53] <cradek> a dos based program will probably always do better than emc, since it has nothing else to do but make pulses
[01:33:19] <chr0n1c> i get the same max feed though
[01:33:26] <chr0n1c> the only difference is the jogs are smoother
[01:33:27] <eric_u> if you can live with the limitations, dos is great
[01:33:48] <cradek> especially now that there's a Free (freedom) dos
[01:33:57] <chr0n1c> i think i will use emc2 most of the time.. but now i know i can use the other hd if i wanted to
[01:34:18] <chr0n1c> i'm not that keen on having to put all my programs on a darn floppy
[01:34:27] <chr0n1c> i'd rather use samba and save them right to the emc2 hd
[01:34:45] <chr0n1c> i tore out the floppies outta all my machines anyways
[01:35:00] <chr0n1c> it's jsut something else to give me an error at bootup
[01:35:05] <chr0n1c> ;)
[01:35:30] <eric_u> I couldn't deal with dos for the mill
[01:35:39] <chr0n1c> but... i jsut wanted to mention.. i got more or less the same results with pure dos and turbocnc
[01:35:41] <cradek> you can network dos, if you're old enough to know how :-)
[01:35:55] <chr0n1c> lol, i'm old enough.. but don't like pain that much
[01:36:03] <cradek> yeah, that's the other requirement
[01:36:08] <chr0n1c> at school we had a dos/netware network
[01:36:21] <eric_u> it's a nightmare though
[01:36:23] <chr0n1c> it was a huge network.. 46 buildings.. and about 1000 computers
[01:36:36] <cradek> 10-15 year old network cards are also required
[01:36:39] <chr0n1c> oh.. i mean 4 or 6 buildings
[01:36:41] <chr0n1c> not 46
[01:36:49] <eric_u> new cards still come with the drivers I think
[01:37:01] <chr0n1c> i have a couple ten yr old cards in my pile of old pcs i think
[01:37:05] <eric_u> I swear I just saw some dos drivers on a recent install
[01:37:07] <chr0n1c> but phuck that
[01:37:51] <chr0n1c> freedos has some network drivers.. btu the $h1tty gateway net card isn't supported
[01:37:54] <chr0n1c> but*
[01:38:09] <eric_u> of course I was installing an NT4 system, now that's a nightmare
[01:39:19] <chr0n1c> i sold a brand spankin new copy of nt4 with a site lic. on ebay not too long ago
[01:39:32] <chr0n1c> still shrinkwrapped
[01:39:42] <eric_u> probably didn't sell
[01:39:47] <chr0n1c> it did sell
[01:39:49] <chr0n1c> !!
[01:39:52] <chr0n1c> for like 40 bux
[01:40:00] <chr0n1c> including shipping
[01:40:19] <chr0n1c> somone in michigan bought i ti think
[01:40:23] <eric_u> there are tons of old systems out there
[01:40:25] <chr0n1c> i have a copy of os2 here...
[01:40:29] <chr0n1c> also*
[01:40:41] <eric_u> mine has to be nt4 because Bill Gates hates me
[01:40:47] <chr0n1c> i haven't tried to install it on anything
[01:40:55] <chr0n1c> and it has been opened
[01:41:02] <chr0n1c> but it should still work.. it's jsut a cd
[01:41:07] <chr0n1c> and the manual
[01:41:19] <chr0n1c> os/2 warp*
[01:41:20] <eric_u> there is no reason an NT4 driver couldn't work on XP, but they changed a bit in the driver file format and it kills old drivers
[01:41:32] <eric_u> bastages
[01:42:18] <chr0n1c> windows is the aol of computers...
[01:42:29] <chr0n1c> but it is a needed evil sometimes
[01:42:38] <chr0n1c> i wish everything was linux compatible
[01:42:49] <chr0n1c> then people would use linux and be amazed
[01:45:01] <chr0n1c> the config in turbo cnc is almost more scary than emc to tell the truth
[01:45:16] <chr0n1c> it is all changeable by options though rather than ini files
[01:45:29] <chr0n1c> still an ini file.. i giess but an interface
[01:56:07] <CIA-19> 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/tp.c: don't divide by zero during abort
[02:10:30] <Jymmmmm> Just curious, is there a list anywhere of reporting hardware/configurations?
[02:11:41] <eric_u> not really
[02:12:08] <Jymmmmm> might be nice to start getting reports of hw/config/distro/latency
[02:12:38] <eric_u> oh, that kind
[02:12:47] <eric_u> check out the captain's web site
[02:13:25] <eric_u> http://www.captain.at/rtai.php
[02:15:43] <eric_u> he used to have a live cd for measuring latency
[02:15:45] <cradek> Jymmmmm: my P3/800 system gives latency of 12500
[02:16:38] <eric_u> how do you do that?
[02:17:41] <eric_u> are the latency tests installed from the live cd?
[02:18:03] <cradek> yes
[02:18:29] <cradek> sudo mknod /dev/rtf3 c 150 3; cd /usr/realtime*/testsuite/kern/latency; ./run
[02:18:50] <cradek> there's a wiki page with those commands, but I'm too lazy to find it
[02:19:05] <cradek> don't run it at the same time as emc!
[02:23:57] <Skullworks_PGAB> I have that CD iso - its like 3mb
[02:24:42] <Skullworks_PGAB> lead in and lead out track uses more space
[02:25:40] <cradek> wow, my PII SMP gives 9777 nsec ovl max latency
[02:28:38] <cradek> 9918
[03:04:19] <bytecolor> X wouldnt start on my dualy after installing EMC
[03:07:00] <Skullworks_PGAB> byte : are you the one who had to get special source code from the RTAI group to support SMP?
[03:08:30] <CIA-19> 03cradek 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/tp.c: don't divide by zero during abort
[03:09:53] <chr0n1c> is there any major updates/changes for emc2 planned in the near future?
[03:10:19] <chr0n1c> i mean it's pretty slick now... jsut wondered what y'all had in mind
[03:11:22] <cradek> we're all getting anxious for fest in june
[03:11:48] <cradek> I hope to do rigid tapping
[03:11:58] <cradek> that's my only immediate plan
[03:12:41] <cradek> emc2 is to the point where it happily runs whatever machinery I have, and can run whatever I expect I might want to get anytime soon
[03:12:53] <cradek> so it's hard for me to get excited about any big changes really
[03:13:09] <chr0n1c> yeah..
[03:13:19] <chr0n1c> i wish i had a lathe to test out that side of it and give some feedback
[03:13:22] <cradek> the next thing I want to do is get a full size mill
[03:13:33] <chr0n1c> i want to get a full size mil also
[03:13:46] <cradek> someone might be interested in doing CSS for lathe - that's the big missing feature
[03:13:55] <chr0n1c> my boss says i should sell this thing on ebay and use the money to buy a bridgeport
[03:13:57] <Sapote_reloaded> Sapote_reloaded is now known as Sapote
[03:14:13] <chr0n1c> but i'd like to have both
[03:14:36] <chr0n1c> beat to hell bridgeports go for like 750-1000 bones around here
[03:14:42] <chr0n1c> sloppy ways and all
[03:15:45] <chr0n1c> what about some sort of conversational programming?
[03:16:37] <cradek> some people talk about that, but I'm not really interested
[03:16:44] <chr0n1c> i have been looking for some sort of open source conversational utility with no luck
[03:16:54] <chr0n1c> i found a few commercial apps though
[03:17:16] <chr0n1c> conversational would help me a lot on the lathe side...
[03:17:27] <chr0n1c> mill not so much
[03:17:38] <chr0n1c> because i use mastercam for that part
[03:18:04] <chr0n1c> i know i can use mc for lathe.. but i have never tried it
[03:18:08] <cradek> some time I might try to learn enough about apt to see if I think it's useful
[03:18:08] <chr0n1c> and i don't have a lathe now
[03:18:28] <chr0n1c> what do you do for work cradek? i'm curious
[03:18:49] <cradek> network manager - unix systems
[03:18:52] <chr0n1c> ahh..
[03:18:57] <cradek> for a software shop
[03:19:04] <chr0n1c> sounds like a hair pulling good time
[03:19:28] <cradek> moments of furious stress interspersed with boredom, mostly
[03:19:35] <chr0n1c> ha
[03:19:49] <chr0n1c> boredom.. means you are doing your job right
[03:19:49] <cradek> sprinkled generously with a few annoying users
[03:20:05] <cradek> yes, there's a lot of truth to that
[03:20:08] <Jymmm> cradek: both systems were P3's, 600mhz and 800Mhz
[03:20:15] <cradek> Jymmm: ?
[03:20:21] <Jymmm> 512MB and 1GB ram
[03:20:34] <Jymmm> cradek you had mentioned about your system being p3 800
[03:20:40] <chr0n1c> is there info on the cncfest posted on the wiki?
[03:20:54] <cradek> chr0n1c: I think www.cncworkshop.com
[03:20:56] <chr0n1c> i am tempted to pack my tiny bitchup in the car and come check itout
[03:21:07] <cradek> chr0n1c: do it - it's a great time
[03:21:12] <cradek> chr0n1c: how far?
[03:21:19] <chr0n1c> i'm in dayton ohio
[03:21:23] <chr0n1c> couple hours i think
[03:21:32] <cradek> nice
[03:21:43] <chr0n1c> i wonder if anyone will be driving by on I-70?
[03:21:52] <chr0n1c> that could scoop me and my tiny bitch up
[03:22:13] <cradek> that would certainly fix your schedule...
[03:22:27] <Jymmm> ass, grass, or gas.... nobody rides for free!
[03:23:09] <cradek> http://www.cnc-workshop.com/
[03:23:11] <cradek> ^^ the right url
[03:23:14] <chr0n1c> he
[03:23:26] <chr0n1c> ya the ther was alink to a book
[03:23:52] <cradek> google maps says 6hrs drive
[03:24:40] <cradek> I suspect jmk will drive right by you, unless he takes I80
[03:25:11] <cradek> looks like 80 is a bit shorter, but goes through the mess at chicago
[03:25:17] <chr0n1c> jmkasunich?
[03:25:18] <jmkasunich> I take 80
[03:25:22] <chr0n1c> ahh..
[03:25:35] <jmkasunich> it does go south of chicago, which sucks
[03:25:48] <cradek> I try to go through there only in the middle of the night
[03:26:32] <jmkasunich> that would be nice, but
[03:26:51] <chr0n1c> lol, looks like i might be the youngest pup there if i did go
[03:26:58] <chr0n1c> *from last years pics
[03:27:14] <cradek> I'm young at heart
[03:27:21] <jmkasunich> I try to leave early in the morning, usually don't get loaded and moving until almost noon, hit chicago during late afternoon, and get to the workshop around sundown
[03:27:41] <jmkasunich> chr0n1c: how old are you?
[03:27:43] <cradek> jmkasunich: yuck, I'd think late afternoon would be the worst
[03:27:51] <jmkasunich> its saturday, that helps
[03:28:02] <chr0n1c> 28 in may
[03:28:05] <jmkasunich> it does suck, but only for a while
[03:28:15] <jmkasunich> fenn is younger - just out of college
[03:28:23] <jmkasunich> speaking of fenn, he hasn;t been in here lately
[03:30:14] <cradek> true, long time
[03:30:15] <eric_u> he was here earlier
[03:30:46] <chr0n1c> i got one of my buddies interested in building a cnc now
[03:30:53] <chr0n1c> after he saw my mini mill
[03:31:16] <chr0n1c> he wants to do something capable of a 4x8 sheet of whatever though
[03:31:40] <jmkasunich> a lot depends on what "whatever" is
[03:31:56] <chr0n1c> lol.. mdf, plywood...
[03:32:01] <jmkasunich> foam, plywood, aluminum, or steel?
[03:32:05] <chr0n1c> maybe small aluminum/steel parts
[03:32:21] <cradek> that means gantry, a different animal completely
[03:32:22] <chr0n1c> the steel and alum... maybe once in a while
[03:32:24] <jmkasunich> each step in that progression probably doubles cost
[03:32:37] <chr0n1c> yes... i was thinking gantry
[03:32:57] <chr0n1c> we need a place to start building it!
[03:33:02] <chr0n1c> it'll be a huge beast
[03:33:18] <chr0n1c> i'm thinking cast iron plumbing pipe for rails
[03:33:19] <jmkasunich> anything with a 4 foot span and rigid enough to cut steel (even a small steel part) is gonna be expensive and heavy
[03:33:32] <jmkasunich> haha
[03:33:39] <chr0n1c> and a sturdy frame out of wood...
[03:33:57] <jmkasunich> take a 4' long piece of pipe, set short pieces of 2x4 under each end, and stand in the middle
[03:34:06] <jmkasunich> you'll be able to measure the deflection with a ruler
[03:34:13] <chr0n1c> yeah..
[03:34:21] <jmkasunich> for steel, the deflection needs to be measured in thousandths, and not many of them
[03:34:39] <chr0n1c> if.. i mount it to blocks every so often... then use a three bearing set-up.. it may be possible
[03:34:52] <chr0n1c> say every 8 inches with a mounting block
[03:34:59] <chr0n1c> to the frame
[03:34:59] <jmkasunich> mounted to what?
[03:35:13] <jmkasunich> whats the frame made out of?
[03:35:41] <chr0n1c> the fram in my head would be boxed sections of mdf.. or some kinda hardwood
[03:35:45] <jmkasunich> 6" square x 1/4" wall structural steel tube might be stiff enough
[03:36:25] <jmkasunich> you can't take decent cuts in steel with a machine made of wood
[03:36:36] <chr0n1c> agreed
[03:36:54] <chr0n1c> i tried...
[03:36:57] <chr0n1c> on my mini mill
[03:37:09] <chr0n1c> i had brackets made out of wood and a wood table
[03:37:15] <jmkasunich> if you are happy cutting MDF and ply, then a gantry of wood and pipe can work, but asking such a machine to do metal is a mistake IMO
[03:37:21] <chr0n1c> tried to cut CRS with a carbide bit... CRASH!
[03:37:55] <chr0n1c> i am still looking for the perfect pc. of scrap steel to make my table out of
[03:38:11] <chr0n1c> i combed through the stuff at the stock rack
[03:38:15] <chr0n1c> at work...
[03:38:21] <chr0n1c> not much there for a mini mill table
[03:38:35] <chr0n1c> but anyways..
[03:38:44] <chr0n1c> i went to lowes today when i was out gettin dinner..
[03:38:45] <jmkasunich> you actually need to make the table itself? t-slots and dovetails and all?
[03:38:52] <chr0n1c> and priced some stuff to build the table in my head
[03:38:55] <jmkasunich> or just a top plate to fasten stuff to?
[03:39:14] <chr0n1c> i am gonna do a ground plate with a buncha 1/4-20 holes for clamps
[03:39:30] <jmkasunich> what does it move on? dovetails, rails?
[03:39:33] <chr0n1c> 8"x112" or so
[03:39:38] <chr0n1c> 12"*
[03:39:56] <chr0n1c> the mini mill moves on a precision linear slide
[03:40:14] <chr0n1c> the y is rails and a balscrew
[03:40:15] <jmkasunich> warning: unless the tapped holes go all the way thru, you will hate them
[03:40:26] <jmkasunich> they'll get full of chips and be a pin in the rear
[03:40:31] <chr0n1c> the x is a ballscrew, and thompson slides
[03:40:59] <jmkasunich> is there structure between the thompson slides, or is the table going to be the structure?
[03:41:16] <chr0n1c> ohiopctech.com/cnc/
[03:41:21] <chr0n1c> there is a ton of pics...
[03:41:24] <chr0n1c> some not so good
[03:41:36] <chr0n1c> i had bad lighting in the shop when i took the first few
[03:42:26] <jmkasunich> Y rides on top of X?
[03:42:34] <chr0n1c> lol, not really a shop... it's my basement/home office
[03:42:36] <chr0n1c> yes
[03:42:38] <chr0n1c> y on x
[03:42:56] <chr0n1c> i aligned them with an indicator on the mill at work and doweled them together
[03:43:10] <jmkasunich> so you've got a kind of "block" on Y that travels, and your table needs to fasten to the block
[03:43:27] <jmkasunich> (and the rest of the table will be flappin' in the breeze)
[03:44:41] <jmkasunich> is that right?
[03:44:49] <chr0n1c> yes
[03:44:53] <chr0n1c> pretty much
[03:45:00] <jmkasunich> how big is that block? looks to be maybe 4" square?
[03:45:17] <chr0n1c> it's like 4.5 by 5 i think
[03:45:24] <jmkasunich> and what are your axis travels?
[03:45:29] <chr0n1c> if it was shorter... i could get more y travel
[03:45:37] <chr0n1c> i thought about milling part of it off
[03:45:42] <jmkasunich> but it would be even less rigid
[03:45:55] <chr0n1c> so far i measured 10.973 x 3.97
[03:45:59] <chr0n1c> without crashing
[03:46:19] <jmkasunich> call it 11x4
[03:46:28] <chr0n1c> i was only going to mill off enough to give me full 4" travel
[03:46:43] <chr0n1c> maybe a little headroom
[03:46:56] <jmkasunich> if you did a 12 x 8 table, you'd have 2" hanging off front and back, and at about 4" on each end
[03:47:00] <chr0n1c> but then it would ruin the pretty anodizing job
[03:47:01] <jmkasunich> I wouldn't go any bigger
[03:47:24] <chr0n1c> i guess 2 and 4 is plenty for clamps
[03:47:43] <jmkasunich> the clamping holes in the block area will get chips in them...
[03:47:55] <chr0n1c> damn chips
[03:47:59] <chr0n1c> the haunt me
[03:48:02] <chr0n1c> they*
[03:48:17] <jmkasunich> you will always be cutting dry, right?
[03:48:21] <chr0n1c> i found plastic chips in my bed, lol... from when i was engraving lexan
[03:48:23] <chr0n1c> musta been in my hair
[03:48:43] <jmkasunich> I can't let the dog in the basement, he tracks metal chips all over the place
[03:48:46] <chr0n1c> so far.. i cut plastic with some dishsoap
[03:48:52] <chr0n1c> someone here suggested it
[03:48:57] <chr0n1c> it cleans up easy
[03:49:18] <jmkasunich> the reason I asked - if dry, you can vacuum chips up (even out of holes, if not packed in) with a shopvac
[03:49:40] <chr0n1c> i got my mini shop vac set up next to the mill
[03:49:48] <chr0n1c> it's like mini machine world around here
[03:50:08] <chr0n1c> i got mini files, mini wrenches...etc.
[03:50:28] <chr0n1c> mini bits even!
[03:50:34] <tomp2> turn the mini machine upside down and let the chips fall away
[03:50:35] <chr0n1c> i can only go to 1/8 shank
[03:50:41] <chr0n1c> lol
[03:50:52] <chr0n1c> yeah i can just shake them off
[03:51:09] <chr0n1c> it does weigh something around 80 # i think
[03:51:11] <jmkasunich> if you can pick it up, its a minimill
[03:51:17] <chr0n1c> i can barely pick it all up
[03:51:22] <jmkasunich> if you can turn it over and shake it, its a micromill
[03:51:42] <tomp2> i meant run it upside down, not shake it
[03:51:55] <chr0n1c> they have mini bandsaaws and mini cutoff saws and mini routers at harborfreight
[03:51:59] <chr0n1c> oh!
[03:52:01] <chr0n1c> lol
[03:52:11] <chr0n1c> running it upside down would be fun
[03:52:23] <chr0n1c> it does have some mounting holes in the base
[03:52:55] <chr0n1c> i'll jus tmount it to my floor joists from upstairs
[03:53:00] <chr0n1c> sweet!
[03:53:16] <chr0n1c> and put a trashcan underneath
[03:53:37] <jmkasunich> you really only have to flip it 90 degrees
[03:53:42] <jmkasunich> horizontal spindle
[03:53:46] <chr0n1c> add a 4th axis to the table to flip over and take parts out when its done!
[03:54:23] <jmkasunich> hey, complete change of subject: anyone have opinions re: ECC vs non-ECC memory?
[03:54:37] <chr0n1c> as soon as i get a couple more brackets made... it can really run in any orientation
[03:54:51] <chr0n1c> ecc is faster?
[03:54:58] <chr0n1c> and backwards compatible?
[03:55:01] <jmkasunich> no, ecc has error correction
[03:55:04] <tomp2> never used ecc (9 bti? 1 for parity?)
[03:55:06] <chr0n1c> with non-ecc?
[03:55:13] <jmkasunich> fsck
[03:55:24] <jmkasunich> I waited too long, and the CPU I want is out of stock
[03:55:29] <jmkasunich> dammit, should have ordered earlier today
[03:55:40] <jmkasunich> tomp2: yes
[03:55:53] <chr0n1c> i know one of them works for the other.. but not the one for the other
[03:57:09] <tomp2> maybe check tomshardware.com for ecc opinion
[03:57:20] <jmkasunich> at this point I no longer care
[03:57:47] <jmkasunich> no CPU....
[03:57:56] <tomp2> k
[03:57:57] <chr0n1c> i was thinking... they just came out with pico-atx boards
[03:58:00] <eric_u> ecc is a pain
[03:58:14] <chr0n1c> that would make a nice all in one cnc package with the driver card in the box with the mobo...
[03:58:16] <eric_u> I wouldn't buy it with my money
[03:58:41] <jmkasunich> eric_u: its mostly used in servers, where reliability matters
[03:59:02] <jmkasunich> my box will be partly a server, partly my main workstation
[03:59:12] <jmkasunich> thats why I was considering it
[03:59:15] <jmkasunich> but it is more $$
[03:59:24] <eric_u> but I've never had any problems with memory
[03:59:35] <eric_u> other than those that were very obvious from the start
[03:59:40] <jmkasunich> yeah, I should probably get the regular stuff
[04:00:01] <jmkasunich> I'm so bummed tho, I was gonna order memory and CPU together, and the CPU is out of stock
[04:00:10] <jmkasunich> missed it by hours - it was fine earlier today
[04:00:41] <eric_u> aren't the prices going down this week?
[04:00:52] <jmkasunich> yeah
[04:01:14] <jmkasunich> newegg jumped the gun, had the lower price on the E6600 CPU for the last couple days
[04:01:30] <jmkasunich> $235, instead of $300+
[04:02:36] <chr0n1c> small gear on the stepper/big gear on the ballscrew.. sound about right?
[04:02:41] <jmkasunich> yes
[04:02:47] <chr0n1c> that would speed it up or slow it down?
[04:02:47] <jmkasunich> well, depends
[04:02:57] <jmkasunich> slow down
[04:03:05] <jmkasunich> are you the one with the 5V supply to the steppers?
[04:03:08] <chr0n1c> yes
[04:03:19] <chr0n1c> i would do the oppisite?
[04:03:25] <jmkasunich> I dunno
[04:03:34] <chr0n1c> try em both i guess!
[04:03:36] <jmkasunich> only if you have a boatload of torque at low speed
[04:03:56] <chr0n1c> there is more tourqe at low speed
[04:04:02] <jmkasunich> to be honest, 5V steppers suck so hard I wouldn't try either, I'd find a better drive
[04:04:07] <chr0n1c> ha
[04:04:18] <chr0n1c> new motors i guess
[04:04:22] <chr0n1c> would be the easiest
[04:04:25] <jmkasunich> I certainly would't pay money for gears
[04:04:35] <chr0n1c> i know i can make gears
[04:04:43] <chr0n1c> if i just draw them
[04:04:43] <jmkasunich> the DRIVE is the main problem
[04:05:00] <chr0n1c> i forget who told me abotu the hobbycnc kit
[04:05:04] <chr0n1c> but i bought it
[04:05:09] <chr0n1c> it's 90% done
[04:05:12] <chr0n1c> soldering*
[04:05:20] <jmkasunich> if you have a chopper drive, then you can use more than the rated motor voltage, and the drive limits the current
[04:05:32] <jmkasunich> that gets you more high speed torque, out of ANY motor
[04:05:43] <jmkasunich> the best motors in the world will still suck on a 5V drive
[04:06:03] <chr0n1c> soo... i guess i'm gonna just have to freakin test it already... and finish it
[04:06:24] <chr0n1c> i just found a message board about how a buncha ppl bought this sp3 and say it suxorz
[04:06:35] <jmkasunich> sp3?
[04:06:37] <chr0n1c> stepperworld* sp3
[04:07:17] <chr0n1c> that's the drive i have hooked up now.. from stepperworld.com
[04:07:47] <jmkasunich> I don't know anything about sp3, but basically, you want a chopper drive
[04:07:59] <chr0n1c> yup..
[04:08:14] <chr0n1c> sooo i found some coolio cnc videos on google vids
[04:08:30] <chr0n1c> there is an awesome knee mill going at 160 ipm with servos
[04:09:36] <chr0n1c> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6153099608747276231
[04:10:40] <tomp2> I'm in Tulsa OK now, fixing some broken machines, Theres some huge retrofits going on down here.
[04:10:46] <tomp2> Seems to be a lot of stationary power work here ( turbines ).
[04:10:48] <jmkasunich> dallur! thats one of our guys
[04:10:58] <tomp2> I've seen a few 5 axis mills with big trunion heads, like 30"diameter trunions. We need a task force of EMC pros to pick up some of this work.
[04:11:46] <eric_u> chronic, that thing is making some silly noises
[04:11:56] <chr0n1c> haha
[04:12:09] <tomp2> Did Rugludallur get the THC working?
[04:12:16] <chr0n1c> i'd love to get a job hooking up machines
[04:12:39] <chr0n1c> if you know of anyone in dayton who needs help with cnc's send them my way
[04:13:05] <chr0n1c> i'd even like to join the emc project.. maybe graphics or soemthing? i'm not much of a programmer
[04:13:16] <cradek> docs! docs!
[04:13:27] <chr0n1c> tell me what you want doc'd?
[04:13:30] <tomp2> I bet Dayton Progress could use some help
[04:13:37] <chr0n1c> i can come up with something if i can understand it
[04:13:45] <cradek> a quickstart guide for basic setup of a simple machine
[04:13:49] <chr0n1c> ahh...
[04:13:57] <cradek> scale, limit switches, maybe homing
[04:14:01] <chr0n1c> i was going to do that and post it on my site...
[04:14:08] <tomp2> "this page unintentionally left blank"
[04:14:13] <chr0n1c> i haven't got homing down yet.
[04:14:42] <cradek> how to use emc in a basic way - people ask about using touching off, using offsets, etc
[04:14:49] <chr0n1c> i have only used the home with no switcehs set up
[04:14:52] <chr0n1c> switches
[04:15:10] <chr0n1c> i guess i can sign up on the wiki soon
[04:15:18] <chr0n1c> and start...
[04:15:23] <tomp2> like videos? simple short tutorials?
[04:15:33] <chr0n1c> i'm followin ya...
[04:15:47] <cradek> I'm not sure how videos would help explain setup, but maybe they would, I dunno
[04:15:53] <cradek> some fresh ideas would be nice
[04:16:09] <chr0n1c> what about adding qcad to the live cd?
[04:16:16] <chr0n1c> *for an idea
[04:16:25] <chr0n1c> i had to search for it...
[04:16:37] <chr0n1c> is there something better that is open source?
[04:16:41] <cradek> is it any use for generating gcode?
[04:16:46] <cradek> (I don't use it)
[04:17:03] <chr0n1c> not so much... but good for basic cad drawing
[04:17:14] <chr0n1c> is that the requirements for the live cd?
[04:17:18] <tomp2> oh, sorry; another meaning of 'setup' i think you mean 'machine installation & getting started'
[04:17:28] <chr0n1c> if that's the case.. the bittorrent client should go
[04:17:52] <cradek> chr0n1c: no requirements - just asking
[04:17:57] <chr0n1c> ahh..
[04:18:07] <cradek> chr0n1c: there's only a little space left, we have to choose wisely if we want to add anything :-)
[04:18:39] <chr0n1c> gcam....
[04:18:43] <chr0n1c> that is of use
[04:18:49] <chr0n1c> it's on sourceforge
[04:18:56] <chr0n1c> but still premature
[04:19:02] <cradek> it would have to be packaged for debain
[04:19:05] <chr0n1c> it does do stuff though
[04:19:07] <cradek> not too hard, but a little work
[04:20:39] <chr0n1c> if qcam matures a bit... and can import dxf's then you could do qcad-gcam
[04:21:22] <chr0n1c> the g-cam look somewhat similar to the commercial cam's i have used
[04:21:56] <tomp2> the apt guys have done a lot of work. vapt output code that i ran under sim-servo. any opinions?
[04:22:59] <chr0n1c> The Virginia Association for Pupil Transportation (VAPT)?
[04:24:07] <chr0n1c> ok, no
[04:24:12] <tomp2> APT360 & Vapt, look in on #cam and at http://fenn.dyndns.org/apt360/
[04:24:59] <tomp2> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?AptProgrammingForEMC
[04:25:08] <chr0n1c> wow!
[04:25:32] <tomp2> http://aptos.sourceforge.net/
[04:25:52] <tomp2> The developers have been trying hard to be useful with EMC
[04:27:16] <tomp2> The language 'apt' is text based, but is the powerful underpinnings of most bigtime cad systems. They bigtime cad systems just have a gui over apt, and the apt360/vapt guys are building soe of those gui tools now.
[04:27:40] <chr0n1c> pretty awesome
[04:27:54] <chr0n1c> i had heard of apt but never knew what it was really
[04:28:04] <tomp2> bigtime = hercules = catia (way past autocad et al)
[04:28:44] <Jymmm> cradek what mobo are you using?
[04:30:03] <Skullworks_PGAB> apt is what wrote the programs to build Apollo, and Atlas
[04:30:17] <Skullworks_PGAB> 5 axis stuff
[04:30:34] <Skullworks_PGAB> run off paper tape one block at a time.
[04:30:43] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: I think cradek just hit the sack
[04:31:05] <tomp2> me too, night all
[04:31:07] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Ah. I guess I can hit him up whenever
[04:31:40] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Did you see the new record for latency? 8,000,000ns
[04:31:53] <jmkasunich> heh
[04:32:08] <Jymmm> I'm out of machines to instll emc on
[04:32:22] <jmkasunich> everything you tried has bad latency?
[04:33:00] <eric_u> you turned off energy management in the bios
[04:33:02] <eric_u> ?
[04:33:12] <Jymmm> jmkasunich No, but thet crash X when I run glxgears and rt test
[04:59:56] <jmkasunich> night all
[05:00:59] <chr0n1c> later yo
[05:53:15] <renesis> * renesis gets off on the IEC power connector snapping into the sodacan Al plate he just milled
[05:54:44] <Skullworks_PGAB> foil?
[05:55:51] <renesis> huh?
[05:56:05] <renesis> no .2" plate
[05:57:03] <chr0n1c> soda can furnace?
[05:57:14] <chr0n1c> i been thinking of building one...
[05:58:51] <chr0n1c> anyone running emc/emc2, might want to look at GCAM on sourceforge... i compiled it yesterday and i am running g-code produced with it.. it has a built in emc post and it the g-code is commented and runs flawlessly
[05:58:55] <Skullworks_PGAB> Plate cast from soda can material?
[05:59:20] <chr0n1c> that would be awesome.. since i have a mt dew addiction
[05:59:24] <chr0n1c> the cans pile up
[05:59:41] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Jymmmmm
[05:59:48] <chr0n1c> they are apparently working on dxf importing?
[06:00:26] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB won't admit how many cases of empty cans are sitting in the kitchen waiting to be crushed.
[06:00:56] <Jymmmmm> Skullworks_PGAB you lush!
[06:00:58] <Skullworks_PGAB> I looked at GACM - the interface was.... different
[06:01:31] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB normally prefers 2liter bottles
[06:02:06] <Skullworks_PGAB> 2liter = single serving...
[06:03:39] <renesis> chr0n1c: hehe, im like #1 GCAM bug reported/feature requester
[06:05:49] <renesis> Skullworks_PGAB: yes
[06:06:05] <renesis> Skullworks_PGAB: actually, sole GCAM dev cast it for me in his backyard
[06:06:11] <renesis> cuz hes hardcore like that
[06:07:13] <renesis> is like half soda can, half 6061, and some pennies for zinc cuz like fuckit the other alloys had it
[06:07:13] <Skullworks_PGAB> I have not done any AL cast yet
[06:07:24] <renesis> is like ultra free machining aluminum
[06:07:27] <renesis> heheh
[06:07:31] <Skullworks_PGAB> its cast
[06:07:38] <Skullworks_PGAB> thats why
[06:07:55] <renesis> hehe, some other art grad students where my gf goes to school tried wax replacement Al casting
[06:08:01] <renesis> hehe, they failed
[06:08:09] <Skullworks_PGAB> btw copper hardens AL, zinc is added to reduce shrinkage
[06:08:32] <renesis> interesting
[06:08:50] <Skullworks_PGAB> only real degree I have - metalurgy
[06:09:02] <renesis> i was thinking taking metalurgy
[06:09:19] <renesis> im doing electronics and cnc right now, pretty much done with both
[06:09:22] <Skullworks_PGAB> not much use by its self
[06:09:31] <renesis> so the metallurgy would fit in there well
[06:09:36] <Skullworks_PGAB> yep
[06:09:44] <renesis> well is kinda useful for everything
[06:09:46] <Skullworks_PGAB> add some physics too
[06:09:56] <renesis> like, non metal things are usually made with metal things
[06:10:12] <renesis> yeah i might transfer into an engineering program
[06:10:23] <Skullworks_PGAB> most elements are metals
[06:10:23] <Jymmmmm> Jymmmmm is now known as Jymm
[06:10:28] <renesis> itd be like 2 or 3 semesters of just stuff like chem, bio, physics, math
[06:11:06] <renesis> even if i dont transfer, i wanna know the chem and physics stuff
[06:11:18] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB wants to go back to college again
[06:11:38] <CIA-19> 03petev 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/components/boss_plc.c:
[06:11:38] <CIA-19> -Added spindle logic for back gear.
[06:11:38] <CIA-19> -Did some minor testing.
[06:11:38] <CIA-19> -Fixed some pointer type warning bugs.
[06:11:40] <renesis> im lucky cuz is way cheap where i live, public schools
[06:11:49] <renesis> very good schools, too
[06:11:58] <renesis> hehe, is like fuckin ONLY thing thats cheap
[06:11:58] <Skullworks_PGAB> want to do the electronics, physics, more math
[06:12:16] <Skullworks_PGAB> wheres that?
[06:12:16] <renesis> yeah im hella lucky with the EL dep at my school
[06:12:38] <renesis> is a very hands on fundamentals based tech program
[06:12:41] <Jymm> Jymm is now known as Jymmmmmmmmmmmm
[06:12:56] <renesis> like, exactly enough to be able to go and start learning more on your own
[06:13:17] <renesis> oh, los angeles
[06:13:37] <Skullworks_PGAB> Thats where I went to college
[06:13:41] <renesis> like, where i live theres pierce comm. college and CSUN
[06:13:43] <Skullworks_PGAB> Lottery money
[06:13:48] <renesis> nice
[06:14:00] <renesis> i go to pierce, is like $20 a unit
[06:14:21] <renesis> like 7 years ago it was $13, went up to $32 and everyone got pissed
[06:14:54] <Skullworks_PGAB> when I went it was capped @ $55 per quarter - not including lab fees or BOOKS
[06:14:55] <renesis> i think CSUN is like $4k a semester, fulltime
[06:15:05] <renesis> neat
[06:15:22] <Skullworks_PGAB> no limt on units
[06:15:29] <renesis> everything else is fucked but its worth it to stay for schools
[06:15:43] <renesis> money wise
[06:15:47] <Skullworks_PGAB> so like a young fool I signed up for 21 units one quarte
[06:15:57] <renesis> heheh
[06:16:04] <Jymmmmmmmmmmmm> Jymmmmmmmmmmmm is now known as Jymmmmmm
[06:16:14] <renesis> thats a setup for insantity
[06:16:31] <Skullworks_PGAB> tip - don't take a foreign language and physics at the same time...
[06:17:00] <Skullworks_PGAB> was cool though had an actor in my class
[06:18:10] <renesis> hehehe emc is neat, when screen saver enables or disables, it doesnt dwell the machine like 2k/xp
[06:20:26] <Skullworks_PGAB> win 2k was M$ best work
[06:20:50] <Skullworks_PGAB> better mem management than XP
[06:21:00] <Skullworks_PGAB> lower overhead
[06:21:43] <Skullworks_PGAB> XP is W2K with a fresh coat of whitewash and the serial numbers filed off
[06:22:31] <Skullworks_PGAB> and a bunch more services hogging mem or loading up th paging file...
[06:23:18] <Skullworks_PGAB> I guess being paid to support XP did not endear it to me
[06:23:44] <Skullworks_PGAB> thankfully that went away before SP1
[06:25:09] <Skullworks_PGAB> linux has matured to the point that I can phase out my M$ o/s's
[06:26:29] <Skullworks_PGAB> only 2003 server supports a bootable software RAID 5 - Linux has had that since 2000
[06:45:52] <chr0n1c> i love 2k pro
[06:46:04] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c was playing with his... uh mchine
[06:46:08] <chr0n1c> machine*
[06:46:12] <Skullworks_PGAB> me to
[06:46:28] <chr0n1c> i really really wanna wanna build a big one!
[06:46:32] <Skullworks_PGAB> not playing
[06:46:51] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c closes eyes and wishes for a bridgeport
[06:47:14] <chr0n1c> was it you who sent me to hobby cnc skull?
[06:47:17] <Skullworks_PGAB> My IH mill will ship tues
[06:47:29] <Skullworks_PGAB> yes
[06:47:33] <chr0n1c> ahh
[06:47:39] <Skullworks_PGAB> did you get one?
[06:47:39] <chr0n1c> i got my board half soldered...
[06:47:46] <chr0n1c> the 4aupc kit
[06:47:51] <chr0n1c> i need to test it now
[06:47:55] <Skullworks_PGAB> mine took 40 minutes
[06:47:55] <chr0n1c> and solder the amps in
[06:48:16] <chr0n1c> i spent like 1.5 hrs.. i was uh.. danked up...
[06:48:22] <chr0n1c> aka: smoked out
[06:48:26] <chr0n1c> :|
[06:48:29] <chr0n1c> so i wa lil slow
[06:48:34] <chr0n1c> was*
[06:48:35] <Skullworks_PGAB> but a very long time ago I did board assy as a job
[06:48:53] <chr0n1c> i took a years of EE in high school
[06:48:59] <chr0n1c> at the vocational school
[06:49:07] <chr0n1c> 1 yr*
[06:49:10] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB counts back approx 30 years
[06:49:15] <chr0n1c> so i know what's going on and have tools...
[06:49:23] <chr0n1c> jsut not very well practiced
[06:49:37] <Skullworks_PGAB> was about 1977 for me
[06:49:45] <chr0n1c> hmmm
[06:49:52] <chr0n1c> i haven't even been alive 30 years
[06:50:01] <chr0n1c> though i have seen 30 years of bullshit no doubt
[06:50:07] <Jymmmmmmmmmmmm> ZOMBY!!!!
[06:50:16] <Jymmmmmmmmmmmm> Jymmmmmmmmmmmm is now known as Jymmm
[06:50:17] <Skullworks_PGAB> I'm only 43
[06:50:32] <Jymmm> what is PGAB ?
[06:50:35] <Skullworks_PGAB> I just got the job while in 7th grade
[06:50:44] <Skullworks_PGAB> made a small fortune
[06:50:45] <chr0n1c> ahh..
[06:51:07] <chr0n1c> my first electronics job was helping wire panels for half a mil. $ automation machines
[06:51:20] <Skullworks_PGAB> comes from a nickname I got in 6th grade - professor
[06:51:52] <Jymmm> Prof Gab ?
[06:51:54] <chr0n1c> they guy tought me how to arrange bundles of wire so that every wire can be seen/tage can be read...
[06:52:06] <Skullworks_PGAB> I got bored in school and usually read several chapters ahead
[06:52:11] <chr0n1c> how to wire plcs/sensors/
[06:52:47] <chr0n1c> i started jsut drilling the holes for the stuff to mount in the control boxes... then talked him into letting me wire stuff
[06:52:57] <chr0n1c> i never had a machine smoke on power up!
[06:53:26] <chr0n1c> industrial automation stuff*
[06:53:38] <chr0n1c> assembly lines.. test equipment...
[06:53:38] <Skullworks_PGAB> what smoked?
[06:53:50] <chr0n1c> just me? at lunch?
[06:54:42] <chr0n1c> anyways...
[06:54:52] <chr0n1c> i had a lot of fun at that job
[06:55:08] <Skullworks_PGAB> just don't ever remove those stepper motor wires while theres still power in the circuit or you will see smoke from those driver chips
[06:55:23] <chr0n1c> ;) aye cap'n professor
[06:55:32] <Skullworks_PGAB> not capt
[06:55:34] <chr0n1c> it's on like every page on the instructions
[06:55:45] <Skullworks_PGAB> well its the #1 failure
[06:56:08] <chr0n1c> the manual says there is extra pins available..
[06:56:09] <Skullworks_PGAB> either loose connections or bad soldier joints
[06:56:15] <chr0n1c> do i need a breakout board to get them?
[06:56:17] <Skullworks_PGAB> yep
[06:56:22] <Skullworks_PGAB> nope
[06:56:31] <Skullworks_PGAB> right up front
[06:56:43] <Skullworks_PGAB> the extra screw terminals
[06:56:55] <chr0n1c> 5 pins and gnd?
[06:56:59] <Skullworks_PGAB> yep
[06:57:06] <chr0n1c> aren't those the limits?
[06:57:10] <chr0n1c> or home switches?
[06:57:16] <Skullworks_PGAB> can daisy chain limits
[06:57:24] <chr0n1c> i didn't look ahead to the wiring diagram
[06:57:24] <Skullworks_PGAB> and home switches
[06:57:28] <chr0n1c> ahh..
[06:57:36] <chr0n1c> then have 2 pins left...
[06:57:45] <Skullworks_PGAB> more really
[06:57:57] <chr0n1c> or 3
[06:58:14] <Skullworks_PGAB> the others don't have pullup resistors or screw terminals
[06:58:20] <chr0n1c> have only limits... use them as homes
[06:58:23] <chr0n1c> then have 4 pins
[06:58:34] <Skullworks_PGAB> but they are there if you want to connect to them
[06:59:14] <Skullworks_PGAB> just need to set ti so only 1 axis homes at a time
[06:59:43] <Skullworks_PGAB> 90 proof affects typing
[06:59:48] <chr0n1c> and that's in the ini file?
[06:59:51] <chr0n1c> lol..
[06:59:57] <chr0n1c> i haven't drank in a long time
[07:00:10] <chr0n1c> ,_-
[07:00:15] <chr0n1c> <--
[07:00:21] <Skullworks_PGAB> rich mans vice
[07:00:27] <chr0n1c> that's my bad habit
[07:00:40] <Skullworks_PGAB> so I can't afford it too often
[07:00:59] <chr0n1c> i drank so much when i was younger...
[07:01:11] <chr0n1c> i got my fill of puking and being a punk...
[07:01:23] <Skullworks_PGAB> that cured me too
[07:01:51] <Skullworks_PGAB> holding a friends head up out of a puddle of puke...
[07:02:23] <Skullworks_PGAB> decide I never wanted to be that far gone.
[07:03:21] <chr0n1c> ;)
[07:04:17] <Skullworks_PGAB> do you have a 24v pws planned or just going to keep the AT/x
[07:05:48] <chr0n1c> i was going to go withthe 12v from the atx for now...
[07:06:25] <chr0n1c> but i am going to upgrade the power supply and go with bigger motors soon
[07:06:39] <chr0n1c> more tourque
[07:06:41] <Skullworks_PGAB> ok - but the true speed will come from higher voltage
[07:06:55] <Skullworks_PGAB> but you will see an improvement
[07:07:28] <Skullworks_PGAB> what was your screw pitch?
[07:07:32] <chr0n1c> i put up pics of my soldering job on my website
[07:07:40] <chr0n1c> ohiopctech.com/cnc/cnc2
[07:07:43] <Skullworks_PGAB> cool
[07:07:54] <chr0n1c> i have 5tpi and 10 tpi
[07:08:01] <chr0n1c> 10 tpi on the y
[07:08:08] <chr0n1c> 5 on x + z
[07:08:29] <chr0n1c> i think i should swap y and z slides
[07:08:43] <chr0n1c> because z has 6 of travel.. and y only has 4
[07:08:48] <chr0n1c> buy y is beefier
[07:08:57] <chr0n1c> so i went with it to hold the table for now
[07:09:46] <Skullworks_PGAB> good enough for the dremel
[07:10:52] <chr0n1c> not too awful
[07:11:06] <chr0n1c> i am dreaming up a low speed spindle for milling in my head
[07:11:26] <chr0n1c> i don't wanna just do engraving or ,.005 cuts all the time...
[07:11:52] <Skullworks_PGAB> small spindles are easy
[07:12:00] <chr0n1c> i have two bearings...
[07:12:04] <chr0n1c> if i only had a lathe
[07:12:08] <chr0n1c> i need to build one
[07:12:23] <Skullworks_PGAB> use 8mm a2 drill rod
[07:12:37] <Skullworks_PGAB> and skate bearings
[07:13:10] <chr0n1c> i was actually thinking of trying to find the skate bearings in bulk
[07:13:11] <Skullworks_PGAB> machine a poroxxon type collet nose
[07:13:16] <chr0n1c> for a bunch of projects
[07:13:17] <Skullworks_PGAB> ebay
[07:13:23] <Skullworks_PGAB> 100 paks
[07:13:26] <Jymmm> a what?!?!?! <Skullworks_PGAB> machine a poroxxon type collet nose
[07:13:27] <chr0n1c> sweet!
[07:13:46] <chr0n1c> i like the dremel collet system...
[07:13:50] <Skullworks_PGAB> I bought 2 16x for spped skate rollerblades
[07:13:53] <chr0n1c> is the proxxon like that?
[07:13:56] <Skullworks_PGAB> speed
[07:14:27] <chr0n1c> the dremel collets would be easy to make... with a small lathe and a saw cutter
[07:14:27] <Skullworks_PGAB> proxxon is like the dremal collet
[07:14:33] <Skullworks_PGAB> max q1/8"
[07:14:40] <Skullworks_PGAB> capacity
[07:14:52] <chr0n1c> yeah... i would want at leat .250
[07:15:04] <chr0n1c> for milling...
[07:15:16] <Skullworks_PGAB> buy the kit - collet nose nut and 4 collets
[07:15:23] <chr0n1c> .125 cuts get old
[07:15:36] <chr0n1c> yeah then make the spindle...
[07:15:45] <Skullworks_PGAB> but at 100ipm...it removes matl
[07:15:52] <chr0n1c> i would just need a semi heavy duty dc motor and two gears
[07:15:55] <Skullworks_PGAB> ok 50
[07:16:23] <Skullworks_PGAB> sewing machin motors work for smaller cuts
[07:16:41] <chr0n1c> i actually was asked about making a cnc sewing machine
[07:16:44] <Skullworks_PGAB> or go hardcore
[07:16:48] <chr0n1c> for someone...
[07:17:04] <chr0n1c> tht would be a fun project
[07:17:58] <chr0n1c> suspend the fabric under the head/gantry... and have a top and bottom gantry
[07:18:59] <Skullworks_PGAB> brother makes a cnc embrodory machine
[07:19:01] <chr0n1c> it could sew anything you could program emc to do... and could theoretically sew a whole doll in one shot
[07:19:16] <chr0n1c> or a whole outfit
[07:19:22] <Skullworks_PGAB> my friend owned one
[07:19:24] <chr0n1c> make a whole show...
[07:19:40] <Skullworks_PGAB> made hats and custm jackets
[07:19:45] <chr0n1c> i know a guy who does our wire burning .. he runs an embroidery company
[07:20:04] <chr0n1c> he does sink edm also
[07:20:13] <chr0n1c> he is just a cnc guru kinda guy
[07:20:26] <chr0n1c> kinda quiet about how he does work though
[07:21:10] <Skullworks_PGAB> trade secretes
[07:21:20] <chr0n1c> yeah...
[07:21:41] <chr0n1c> i think i figured out how he gets profiles for the planer tools into the computer now though.. ;)
[07:21:48] <Skullworks_PGAB> I'm building an r/c EDM sinker too
[07:21:50] <chr0n1c> i have been pumpin him for info
[07:22:00] <chr0n1c> r/c?
[07:22:14] <Skullworks_PGAB> from the book by Ben Fleming
[07:22:23] <chr0n1c> ahh.
[07:22:34] <Skullworks_PGAB> resistance/capacitence
[07:22:48] <chr0n1c> i've always been facinated by the wire edm's
[07:22:54] <Skullworks_PGAB> can't spell either this late
[07:22:56] <chr0n1c> they make big money round here in the shops
[07:23:08] <chr0n1c> like 100-200 bux an hour for die work
[07:23:18] <Skullworks_PGAB> yep
[07:24:00] <chr0n1c> i'm hoping once my mini mill is tweaked i can pull some 20 -30 $ an hour jobs...
[07:24:08] <Skullworks_PGAB> wire work makes the money - sinker work fgets the jobs done (fixes broken taps etc.)
[07:24:12] <chr0n1c> i wold be happy with that
[07:24:44] <Skullworks_PGAB> yeah this is a simple z axis servo feed
[07:24:58] <chr0n1c> when i was green...
[07:25:04] <chr0n1c> i broke lots of taps
[07:25:13] <Skullworks_PGAB> no cnc - just analog feedback
[07:26:23] <chr0n1c> i built my own cnc... i guess you could say i graduated from the awkward-used-to-be-janitor kid running a manual mill stage of breaking taps.. ;)
[07:26:42] <Skullworks_PGAB> feeds in until it sparks then retracts and starts over...
[07:26:55] <chr0n1c> that sound sweet skull...
[07:27:05] <chr0n1c> does in run under liquid?
[07:27:09] <Skullworks_PGAB> Everyone breaks taps
[07:27:09] <chr0n1c> like a wire?
[07:27:18] <Skullworks_PGAB> yes
[07:27:37] <chr0n1c> i think i read abotu that project somewhere on the net
[07:27:44] <Skullworks_PGAB> kersene or a real edm fluid
[07:28:24] <Skullworks_PGAB> kersene is dangerous
[07:29:01] <Skullworks_PGAB> cause the process makes acetylene gas...
[07:29:23] <chr0n1c> and it's kinda flammable
[07:29:52] <Skullworks_PGAB> but just keep the fire extingusher handy...
[07:29:58] <chr0n1c> ha..
[07:30:06] <chr0n1c> and a fireman suit while you run it
[07:30:17] <chr0n1c> with the hardhat and boots even
[07:30:22] <chr0n1c> and a o2 tank
[07:30:28] <Skullworks_PGAB> acetylene is explosive
[07:30:30] <chr0n1c> breathing mask....
[07:30:46] <Skullworks_PGAB> lots o fun
[07:30:56] <chr0n1c> padded undergarments to pad from the explosive force pushing you into a wall...
[07:31:59] <Skullworks_PGAB> worry more about windows... don't ask me how I know this...
[07:32:10] <chr0n1c> ha
[07:33:13] <Skullworks_PGAB> but O2 from the welding dept made it more "intense"
[07:34:31] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB figures today that stunt would land him in jail...
[07:36:58] <Skullworks_PGAB> crap - I have to be up for work in 3 hrs - nap time.
[07:41:49] <anonimasu> hello
[07:42:25] <Dallur> morning
[07:42:33] <feoc2> hello also
[07:43:22] <Skullworks_PGAB> day crew shows up when us druks are ready to pass out
[07:43:23] <chr0n1c> gmorn
[07:43:48] <chr0n1c> was that your servo knee mill on google Dallur?
[07:44:05] <anonimasu> :)
[07:44:31] <chr0n1c> 160 ipm?
[07:44:31] <Dallur> chr0nic: hmm that link was to my plasma cutting table by the looks of it, are you sure you posted the right link ?
[07:44:46] <chr0n1c> yeah that was a plasma table
[07:44:50] <chr0n1c> i was watching a mill though
[07:44:57] <chr0n1c> ok.. your table
[07:45:05] <chr0n1c> sweet
[07:45:09] <anonimasu> hm i got some odd parts today
[07:45:18] <chr0n1c> so you did the huge wheels on the little car vid too?
[07:45:19] <anonimasu> need to cut strain relivers for some cabling.. in plastic..
[07:45:27] <Dallur> hmm well i'm running at more than double that speed now though
[07:45:39] <Dallur> anonimasu: routing the plastic ?
[07:45:53] <anonimasu> routing/milling yeah
[07:46:09] <Dallur> chr0nic: yup, that suzuki thing was me and some friends having fun
[07:46:36] <anonimasu> only problem is the stupid undercuts I need..
[07:46:52] <anonimasu> to make it snap togther..
[07:47:07] <anonimasu> though maybe I should just drill a hole..
[07:47:19] <chr0n1c> lol.. i laughed and showed that vid to everyone who came by for a week
[07:47:39] <chr0n1c> nice to meet the man responsible for it!
[07:47:40] <chr0n1c> lol
[07:47:49] <Dallur> chr0nic: that plasma table reaches about 470 inches per minute btw :)
[07:47:57] <chr0n1c> fcuking awesome!
[07:49:09] <chr0n1c> i only used a plamsa cutter once to cut a keg in half.. it was handheld.. i can only imagine the things you can do with it on a cnc
[07:49:21] <anonimasu> only thing that's disturbing is that I need 10 of them :)
[07:49:38] <anonimasu> though I'll make them on the mill/face all sidea and drill the center hole and chop them in the lathe..
[07:49:49] <chr0n1c> i got the keg her ein my basement, i haven't came up with a use for it yet.. half is a plastic stock bin for now
[07:50:42] <chr0n1c> what ya makin anonimasu?
[07:51:23] <anonimasu> strain releivers.. for cabling..
[07:51:34] <chr0n1c> oh
[07:52:05] <anonimasu> I need something nobody sells for work
[07:52:37] <chr0n1c> that is always the fun part of cnc
[07:52:45] <chr0n1c> making new things for other machines
[07:52:50] <Skullworks_PGAB> that is the whole point
[07:52:54] <chr0n1c> ;)
[07:53:12] <chr0n1c> i plan on using my mini mill to build it's self in a larger scal
[07:53:17] <chr0n1c> scale*
[07:54:00] <Skullworks_PGAB> to be able to make things nobody else makes, just what you want or need
[07:55:10] <chr0n1c> that's what my boss was saying the other day
[07:55:22] <chr0n1c> i was talking about my min mill and it's slowness
[07:55:29] <Skullworks_PGAB> highschool/college - it was all so I could build my own toys
[07:55:49] <chr0n1c> all he had to say was... "jason, it's not how fast you can do it,... it's the point that YOU can do it at all..."
[07:56:17] <Skullworks_PGAB> exactly
[07:56:51] <chr0n1c> i know i impressed the old man... he is handing me tiny cutters and carbide endmills to take home :)
[07:56:57] <Skullworks_PGAB> next step is lost foam al casting....
[07:57:56] <chr0n1c> i need a privacy fence
[07:58:15] <chr0n1c> then i can start on my homebrew smelter/casting furnace out back...
[07:58:21] <Skullworks_PGAB> for the logger - we need a kinmatics front end for doing hot wire foam cutting!
[07:58:57] <chr0n1c> i second that!
[07:59:52] <Skullworks_PGAB> btw HCNC makes a sweet foam cutting board
[08:00:00] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c :D
[08:00:34] <Jymmm> nobody has any cheap PIC video cards
[08:00:48] <Jymmm> PCI
[08:00:56] <Skullworks_PGAB> PIC video?
[08:01:00] <chr0n1c> i might have one
[08:01:05] <chr0n1c> how much you wanna spend?
[08:01:29] <chr0n1c> i got a slew of old pcs on the shelf with various bad parts some good parts
[08:01:40] <Skullworks_PGAB> I have a few too
[08:01:50] <Jymmm> looking for something with at least 64mb
[08:01:51] <Dallur> Jymmm: how about just buying a lot off ebay, i'm sure loads of ppl have nos pci vid cards to sell
[08:02:03] <chr0n1c> ohhh... i got a 32 mb that might be good
[08:02:13] <chr0n1c> and am pretty sure i have a 16
[08:02:22] <Skullworks_PGAB> those bring premo prices lately
[08:02:25] <chr0n1c> the 16 might be agp tho
[08:02:26] <Jymmm> well, 32 might be ok
[08:02:47] <chr0n1c> oh.. it even has tv out!
[08:03:13] <chr0n1c> video118PCI/32tv
[08:03:22] <chr0n1c> i'd jsut hafta plug it in and test it
[08:03:25] <Jymmm> I think the problem I'm having is mostly video related.
[08:03:54] <chr0n1c> if you wanted
[08:03:56] <Jymmm> I really can't see glxgears + RT test craushing X on two different boxes
[08:04:05] <chr0n1c> i think you can solder the other 32mb of mem on this card
[08:04:09] <chr0n1c> it has solder pads for it
[08:04:23] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB smiles while he remembers that he is usin an ATi Rage 128 8mb card for EMC.
[08:04:40] <Jymmm> Right now, I hae too many HW issues to muck around with soldering
[08:04:43] <chr0n1c> i have a rage i think in the emc box
[08:05:11] <Skullworks_PGAB> yep - it just works...
[08:05:13] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB I have a ATI MACH64 8mb apg in it right now, but the same thing happened with a onboard Trident too
[08:05:24] <Jymmm> on another machien
[08:05:28] <Skullworks_PGAB> ouch!
[08:05:34] <chr0n1c> what is glxgears?
[08:05:38] <chr0n1c> the ss?
[08:05:50] <Jymmm> chr0n1c try it
[08:05:57] <Jymmm> from a console
[08:06:00] <Jymmm> in x
[08:06:03] <Skullworks_PGAB> =GL gear
[08:06:08] <Jymmm> glxgears<enter>
[08:06:23] <Jymmm> OpenGL test thingy
[08:06:38] <anonimasu> chr0n1c: I wish I had means for molding it in plastic..
[08:06:45] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB You have good or bad luck witht eh ATI card you have?
[08:07:10] <Skullworks_PGAB> no issues - but have not pushed the envelope
[08:07:25] <chr0n1c> Jymmm that's realy really slow on my emc box
[08:07:29] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB: What did you install emc from?
[08:07:32] <Skullworks_PGAB> running Breezy and emc 2.1.4
[08:07:52] <chr0n1c> i have the emc2 live ubuntu cd and the updates
[08:08:01] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB I installed both machines from the livecd, I wonder....
[08:08:12] <Skullworks_PGAB> used the base Breezy install then the install script for web download
[08:08:42] <Skullworks_PGAB> that live cd...
[08:08:41] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB then followed the instructions on the wiki to get to 214?
[08:08:50] <Skullworks_PGAB> yup
[08:09:16] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB could you run glxgears then the RT test and wait about 30 minutes?
[08:09:48] <Skullworks_PGAB> 1 sec to go boot other box
[08:09:49] <chr0n1c> i hook up two motor straight into the terminals on my driver card.. motors parallel?
[08:10:10] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB:
[08:10:11] <Jymmm> sudo mkdir /dev/rtf; sudo mknod /dev/rtf/3 c 150 3;
[08:10:11] <Jymmm> sudo mknod /dev/rtf3 c 150 3;
[08:10:11] <Jymmm> cd /usr/realtime*/testsuite/kern/latency; ./run
[08:10:13] <chr0n1c> can i**
[08:10:25] <Skullworks_PGAB> each motor has its own terminal block
[08:10:42] <chr0n1c> yes.. but if i had two on the same block.. would that work?
[08:10:53] <Jymmm> chr0n1c inductance changes
[08:11:02] <chr0n1c> ok...
[08:11:11] <Skullworks_PGAB> no
[08:11:17] <chr0n1c> so the circut would need changed...
[08:11:18] <Jymmm> in parallel?
[08:11:30] <chr0n1c> something would change
[08:11:36] <chr0n1c> like probally current draw?
[08:11:39] <Jymmm> two steppers in parallel wouldn't change the total circuit inductance?
[08:11:39] <Skullworks_PGAB> but you can parallel 1 axis with the 4th axis
[08:11:40] <chr0n1c> and resistance?
[08:12:09] <chr0n1c> i'm not going to try it
[08:12:11] <chr0n1c> but i was thingking
[08:12:20] <chr0n1c> to have two machines do the same thing at the same time
[08:12:30] <Skullworks_PGAB> for gantry type machines which use dual motors
[08:12:42] <Skullworks_PGAB> no
[08:12:47] <Jymmm> chr0n1c: Well, I've seen ppl do that, but that's one singal going to two drivers.
[08:12:49] <chr0n1c> could i do that with a paralell spitter..and two same drivers and 6 same motors?
[08:13:05] <Jymmm> iirc
[08:13:05] <Skullworks_PGAB> that is a job for 2 driver cards
[08:13:29] <Jymmm> paraport_pin ------< {two drivers }
[08:13:43] <chr0n1c> ok.. gotcha
[08:14:36] <chr0n1c> a port replicator would be the same as... outside of the controller though?
[08:15:00] <chr0n1c> latency involved maybe for all of the cards?
[08:15:02] <Jymmm> depends on the port replicator
[08:15:57] <chr0n1c> ok.. say a straight thru splitter.. with diodes to keep the cards from talking to each other?
[08:16:24] <chr0n1c> the card isn't really giving any input back to the computer anyways in the simplier drivers right?
[08:17:57] <Skullworks_PGAB> most small systems are open loop - like youer steppers
[08:18:52] <Skullworks_PGAB> ok Jymmm - breezy's up
[08:18:56] <chr0n1c> i'm workingon a second par port to add encoders to the machine
[08:19:11] <Skullworks_PGAB> did you buy one today?
[08:20:06] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB ok glxgears and rt test going too?
[08:21:40] <Skullworks_PGAB> rebooting
[08:22:01] <Skullworks_PGAB> mouse driver took a dump - it seems
[08:23:42] <Skullworks_PGAB> ok - back up with functional mouse
[08:24:07] <Skullworks_PGAB> use a term wind to sudo...
[08:25:13] <Skullworks_PGAB> hurry - I'm past my passout deadline
[08:26:29] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB try it tomorrow
[08:26:53] <Skullworks_PGAB> ok
[08:27:09] <Skullworks_PGAB> but I do have a term window ready...
[08:27:56] <Jymmm> sudo mkdir /dev/rtf; sudo mknod /dev/rtf/3 c 150 3;
[08:27:57] <Jymmm> sudo mknod /dev/rtf3 c 150 3;
[08:27:57] <Jymmm> cd /usr/realtime*/testsuite/kern/latency; ./run
[08:28:13] <Jymmm> then in another term, glxgears
[08:31:37] <Skullworks_PGAB> it don't like the "/3 c 150 3
[08:32:39] <Skullworks_PGAB> no such file or directory
[08:32:53] <Jymmm> you have to enter in each line individually
[08:33:04] <Skullworks_PGAB> right
[08:33:16] <Jymmm> oh wait looks like a typo
[08:33:32] <Jymmm> nm http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting#On_board_video
[08:33:38] <Skullworks_PGAB> mknod /dev/rtf/3 c 150 3
[08:33:40] <chr0n1c> oh..no i didn't buy one
[08:33:59] <chr0n1c> i ended up going to lowes.. and looking for 1/2" aluminum solid round
[08:34:10] <chr0n1c> all they had was c channel and angle
[08:34:15] <chr0n1c> and flat
[08:34:29] <chr0n1c> 1/8 -1/4" thick
[08:34:32] <chr0n1c> nto a big selection
[08:34:37] <chr0n1c> not8
[08:34:57] <Skullworks_PGAB> well I guess I'll tyry again tomorrow
[08:35:03] <chr0n1c> i'm gonna hafta buy it from the metal shop at worktomorrow
[08:35:09] <Skullworks_PGAB> I'm going in circles now
[08:35:38] <Skullworks_PGAB> later all
[08:35:51] <Dallur> l8r
[08:36:26] <Jymmm> Skullworks_PGAB nite!
[09:14:31] <chr0n1c> http://www.procooling.com/index.php?func=articles&disp=52&pg=2 <-- article for running atx power supplies in series
[09:23:43] <Jymmm> If you ever get a short, you're fucked
[09:24:05] <Jymmm> if the side of the metal housing touches ground, your fucked.
[09:24:29] <Jymmm> There is ZERO isolation
[09:25:33] <chr0n1c> there is a section on how to remove the ground from one of the cases
[09:26:08] <Jymmm> there's 10kv in there too
[09:40:50] <Jymmm> chr0n1c talk to alex_joni about that, he explained it to me once.
[10:29:38] <feoc2> kachow
[10:29:46] <feoc2> im in a particularly good mood today
[10:31:21] <alex_joni> go do something about that
[10:31:35] <feoc2> just got a job doing cnc machining for an F1 team
[10:32:02] <feoc2> along with composite stuff and fitting
[10:32:59] <feoc2> all from speaking to a bloke in the pub on sunday
[10:33:02] <feoc2> sweeeet
[10:34:39] <anonimasu> nice!
[10:34:41] <anonimasu> congratulations
[10:34:46] <anonimasu> I'd kill for that job ,)
[10:35:07] <feoc2> aye
[10:35:11] <feoc2> only 6 miles down the road from me
[10:35:16] <feoc2> didnt even know the place existed
[10:37:26] <anonimasu> ^_^
[10:43:18] <anonimasu> I bet you will see interesting parts
[10:49:19] <feoc2> yup
[10:49:34] <feoc2> well i was starting a motorsport based buisness myself
[10:49:42] <feoc2> thats why i wanted these cnc machines to start with
[10:50:03] <feoc2> but this is just too good of an opertunity to learn stuff i wouldnt normally see
[10:59:06] <feoc2> gtgf
[10:59:11] <feoc2> cyas
[11:00:48] <anonimasu> feoc2: be prepared to work hard..
[11:01:28] <feoc2> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:01:40] <feoc2> iv just come from the air force
[11:01:49] <feoc2> not done a day of that since i joined
[11:01:49] <feoc2> lol
[11:02:04] <feoc2> catch you later
[11:02:17] <anonimasu> lates
[12:43:00] <cncman> helo
[12:48:02] <cncman> i'm new to these, I am doing a cnc with cheap dc motors(extracted from drills) I have made the Hbridge pcb's and a pci card with fpga to be the responsible of the pwm output and the input optical encoders, now i need high resolution encoders but don't know where to buy them.
[12:48:28] <cncman> anybody knows where can i buy them, my bugdet is lowww
[13:00:44] <eric_u> there are usually some encoders on ebay
[13:01:44] <alex_joni> what's your idea of a low budget?
[13:04:47] <cncman> 30 dollars more or less
[13:05:47] <cncman> i need 6000 counts/revolution in my z axis
[13:06:03] <alex_joni> I somehow doubt you'll find any new encoders that fit that
[13:06:13] <cncman> the others axis i don't need so much
[13:07:15] <cncman> with my printer i can print 900 lines in a 5 cm transparent disk
[13:07:23] <anonimasu> hm
[13:07:29] <anonimasu> ouch
[13:07:34] <cncman> if i get a quadrature decoder i can reach 3600
[13:07:56] <anonimasu> cncman: you can forget about 3k counts on a low budget.
[13:08:10] <cncman> ops
[13:08:41] <cncman> i have seen a mylar disk from a printer and it has incredible definition incredible
[13:08:43] <anonimasu> ofcourse if you have a big enough disk... though that wont work very well either
[13:08:51] <cncman> ahaps
[13:09:36] <cncman> my problem is that i put the encoder after the gearbox, if i could put it in the motor it would be wonderful
[13:09:45] <cncman> but my motors dont have tail
[13:10:17] <anonimasu> hollow shaft encoders?
[13:10:22] <anonimasu> and put them on the output..
[13:10:30] <anonimasu> err that's how most looks..
[13:10:41] <cncman> hollow?
[13:10:50] <alex_joni> cncman: encoders with a hole in them
[13:11:15] <alex_joni> http://www.engnetglobal.com/images/showcase/bigpic/BEK002_mi_shaft_encoder.jpg
[13:11:24] <alex_joni> http://www.globalspec.com/NpaPics/31/96381_021220024020_ExhibitPic.jpg
[13:11:29] <cncman> i am going to see
[13:12:12] <alex_joni> http://www.thistledesign.com/images/HollowEncoder.jpg HAHAHAHA
[13:13:15] <anonimasu> alex_joni: you scare me today
[13:13:16] <cncman> x-D
[13:13:17] <alex_joni> http://www.alps.co.jp/image/news_release/2000/0301_01_01.gif WOW
[13:13:41] <alex_joni> anonimasu: what? it's not my fault that guy has a really small arm
[13:13:41] <alex_joni> :D
[13:14:42] <alex_joni> cncman: that 5.7mm encoder only has 12 ppr, so it's probably no go for you..
[13:15:28] <cncman> my machine is in this web http://www.r0807.com , the encoders are missing
[13:15:36] <alex_joni> http://www.alps.co.jp/image/news_release/2000/photo/0301_01_01.jpg <- that's really crazy
[13:15:58] <cncman> the z axis do 60 mm per revolution so i am in problems
[13:16:59] <anonimasu> make a gearbox for your encoder..
[13:17:46] <cncman> to protect them? i thought to put them without nothing, like the printers
[13:18:35] <anonimasu> no to gear them..
[13:18:38] <anonimasu> so you get enough pulses per rev
[13:18:56] <anonimasu> a 6k encoder are expensive..
[13:19:03] <cncman> ahmm, ok
[13:19:10] <anonimasu> _really_ expensive
[13:19:39] <cncman> if could solder a tail for the motor i could put the encoders there, and i will have 25 more times definition
[13:28:09] <cncman> i'm thinking that perhaps changing the firmware of a cdrom, I could use a dvd as a encoder, burning a pattern of 1 0 1 0
[13:29:26] <Sapote> lightscribe?
[13:29:42] <Sapote> generate a patron with lightscribe?
[13:30:06] <cncman> no, with holes, like the data of dvd's
[13:30:38] <cncman> i write data and i read it with the laser, as normal data
[13:30:43] <Sapote> mmmm
[13:30:51] <cncman> the only difference is that i want a circle not a spiral
[13:31:03] <cncman> so i think it would be a must change the firmware
[13:31:09] <anonimasu> no..
[13:31:12] <Sapote> remember. data cd is store in lineal spiral
[13:31:15] <Sapote> not in circle
[13:31:35] <anonimasu> yes, and why cant you calculate what offset to use between each rev to get the right |||||
[13:31:39] <anonimasu> in real lines?
[13:31:46] <cncman> Sapote: changing the firm you can get a circle
[13:32:03] <anonimasu> ah well, what do I know..
[13:32:04] <anonimasu> have fun
[13:32:28] <alex_joni> bbl
[13:35:16] <Sapote> supose 1 and 0 patron... how identificate direcction of movement if change of direcction? you laser read 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0
[13:35:39] <Sapote> need two laser separate
[13:36:58] <anonimasu> or code it..
[13:37:02] <anonimasu> 1 0 0 1 0 0 1
[13:37:09] <anonimasu> though that wont work..
[13:37:16] <anonimasu> you still need a encoder ;)
[13:37:27] <Sapote> litle vibrations of CNC, present variations on position if point of mesure is too close
[13:38:22] <cncman> Sapote: for the cnc i don't need direction
[13:38:27] <Sapote> for me is prefereable use lightscribe on top of cd, and use many leds/opto. As incremental encoder
[13:39:26] <cncman> Sapote: how much resolution has lightscribe?
[13:39:35] <Sapote> two points in laser cd is too close...
[13:39:55] <Sapote> i dont know has resolution of lightscribe
[13:40:23] <Sapote> other system is photolitografy in a film
[13:41:23] <Sapote> many printers have a circle with optical sensor
[13:41:49] <cncman> yes, mylar disks
[13:41:58] <Sapote> yes
[13:42:23] <anonimasu> reading fork's..
[13:42:32] <anonimasu> or whole ccd arrays..
[13:45:20] <xemet> hello
[13:45:34] <xemet> a friend of mine had a problem with EMC2
[13:45:56] <xemet> he was tying this gcodeprogram: http://pastebin.ca/454206
[13:46:18] <xemet> always at the same point EMC2 closes and gives this error:
[13:46:22] <xemet> http://www.pastebin.ca/454207
[13:46:54] <xemet> do you know what could be the problem?
[13:56:03] <cradek> xemet: do you know which gui he is using?
[13:57:18] <cradek> also which emc2 version
[14:00:31] <xemet> AXIS, 2.1.4 version
[14:01:16] <xemet> P4 1700 MHz, 512 Mb RAM
[14:01:47] <xemet> it has no peripherics other than HD, CD-Rom and floppy disk
[14:02:48] <cradek> it's sure a big file - let me try running it
[14:03:09] <xemet> yes I know...it is big
[14:05:18] <cradek> I guess it's only 1MB
[14:06:05] <cradek> do you know what kind of video card he has, and/or whether it is using direct rendering?
[14:10:18] <xemet> uhm...I don't know
[14:10:45] <xemet> I will ask, but I don't think I can get a fast reply
[14:11:00] <cradek> do you know if he's run memtest on the machine?
[14:11:12] <cradek> ah, remote debugging is very hard
[14:12:04] <xemet> cradek...I know, and think it is double remote...
[14:12:16] <xemet> because he report to me and I've to report to you...
[14:12:40] <cradek> I will let it run here... looks good so far
[14:12:52] <cradek> if it crashes for me, this is easy, but I bet it won't :-)
[14:13:25] <cradek> it would be a good idea to run memtest overnight - it's on the boot menu
[14:13:56] <cradek> brb...
[14:14:07] <xemet> I will tell it to him
[14:15:28] <xemet> what does memtest do?
[14:15:36] <xemet> check the HD?
[14:16:09] <anonimasu> rm
[14:16:11] <anonimasu> ram
[14:17:03] <xemet> ok
[14:17:11] <xemet> is it a long process?
[14:19:34] <Sapote> few days
[14:19:52] <Sapote> :D
[14:20:12] <Sapote> 2 - 8 hours
[14:20:29] <xemet> great...
[14:22:07] <xemet> I've a question about a test I've done with hall sensors
[14:22:39] <xemet> I've a tachimetric fan, those that have three leads,
[14:23:26] <xemet> I've seen there is a hall sensor insight, I've supplied 5V and I get 0-5V evey turn on the third lead
[14:23:58] <xemet> I've connected the third lead to a IN pin of the parallel port and used the hal component "counter" to count pulses
[14:24:16] <xemet> pulses counts is right, so the position count
[14:24:23] <xemet> I've question about velocity
[14:24:46] <Sapote> only count revolutions
[14:25:06] <cradek> xemet: uh-oh! I got the error here too
[14:25:11] <xemet> in order to have the right velocity, how have I to choose the thread period of the counter function that update pulses?
[14:25:33] <xemet> cradek, ok, so it is better because you can understand where is the problem...
[14:26:25] <xemet> sapote: yes I count revolutions
[14:26:44] <xemet> sapote: but there is a pin to show velocity
[14:27:05] <xemet> the problem is, if I get for example 10 rev per second
[14:27:19] <cradek> I'm pretty sure that pin would be counts/sec
[14:27:45] <xemet> I cannot set a thread period of 1/1000 second because I get always a velocity value of 0
[14:28:26] <xemet> If I set a period of 1 sec or more, I get the velocity
[14:28:38] <cradek> ah
[14:29:08] <cradek> the velocity pin isn't very useful for such small values - it is usually 0 when you read it, but sometimes 1 (when a count has happened that period)
[14:29:49] <xemet> ok...so if I've small values I can use a thread with a period greater than the period of the pulses
[14:30:18] <cradek> yes I guess that's what you have to do
[14:30:35] <xemet> ok, OR, I can increment the number of pulses per rev
[14:31:03] <xemet> so if I've the hall sensor, I can mount more the one magnet in order to get at least 3-4 pulses per rev
[14:31:24] <anonimasu> yes
[14:31:33] <anonimasu> or make a toothed disc..
[14:31:41] <anonimasu> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
[14:31:52] <anonimasu> to increase your resolution further
[14:32:10] <xemet> so, thinking the minimum value of revs per second of my spindle is 5000 rev/min I should get about 330 pulses per second
[14:32:31] <xemet> anonimasu, the fact is that I don't need a grat resolution...
[14:32:35] <anonimasu> ok
[14:32:47] <xemet> (maybe...)
[14:33:20] <anonimasu> hm, my parameter count is increasing expotentially
[14:33:21] <xemet> the project is to use the velocity value in combination with the PID and a PWM signal to control the speed of my milling machine spindle
[14:33:22] <anonimasu> gah!ยค"#
[14:33:26] <anonimasu> ok
[14:33:44] <xemet> but I don't know nothing about the PID, I've still to read all the documentation
[14:33:57] <anonimasu> :)
[14:34:53] <cradek> xemet: sounds like it would be better to get more pulses for pid control - you don't want several second response times
[14:35:09] <xemet> I hope I succeed in getting a constant speed with this method
[14:35:50] <xemet> cradek, infact I've thought about it...this is a problem...do you think if I read velocity every 1/10 or 1/100 second it will be enought?
[14:36:33] <cradek> sorry but I don't know enough to say how it will work
[14:36:40] <cradek> it sounds interesting to experiment with though
[14:37:24] <skunkworks> turbocnc threads with on pulse from the spindle ;)
[14:37:36] <skunkworks> one
[14:37:48] <skunkworks> * skunkworks thinks that is scary
[14:37:58] <xemet> ok...no problem, I will experiment, I like to experiment
[14:38:13] <cradek> skunkworks: that'll work fine as long as the spindle speed is constant
[14:38:23] <skunkworks> cradek: exactly.
[14:38:45] <skunkworks> I suppose most people are threading in back-gears so it isn't much of an issue
[14:39:07] <cradek> true
[14:39:24] <cradek> but I was threading at 1000rpm with emc...
[14:39:49] <skunkworks> cradek: that is so cool.
[14:40:03] <skunkworks> cool - I guess - is the word for the day.
[14:40:20] <cradek> /topic WORD OF THE DAY: "cool"
[14:40:27] <cradek> haha
[14:40:30] <xemet> cradek, what about the problem with the g-code I posted? Do you have understood something?
[14:40:30] <skunkworks> :)
[14:41:10] <cradek> xemet: I'm trying to do more debugging on this run
[14:41:18] <cradek> (too bad it takes a long time to fail)
[14:41:28] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: If you have the livecd, could you do me a favor and boot off of it anf run glsgears and rt teat for me. just for shits and giggles =)
[14:41:48] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: I can't here, but I've done that plenty of times on other machines
[14:42:06] <cradek> heck I did it last night
[14:42:12] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: I meant on the sysem you run the mill off of
[14:42:20] <cradek> right, it was on that system
[14:42:48] <cradek> I was also compiling, moving windows, and starting and stopping programs
[14:42:56] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: how lo\ong did you run it for?
[14:42:57] <xemet> cradek: ok, if you understand where is the problem, please let me know
[14:42:58] <cradek> I always do that to test an install
[14:43:05] <cradek> half hour probably
[14:43:10] <cradek> xemet: will do
[14:43:32] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: I did that one one system for 30 minutes, then X crahsed on me.
[14:43:49] <xemet> I've read something about PID...so I've three pins command, feedback and output...
[14:44:06] <xemet> I've the PWM that control the spindle speed
[14:44:16] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: yuck
[14:44:27] <xemet> should I connect the PID output to the PWM value pin?
[14:44:40] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: what video card/vram do you have?
[14:45:08] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: I think that one is a matrox millenium II
[14:45:15] <cradek> old pci card
[14:45:27] <cradek> my other realtime machine also has a matrox, but I think it's a pci g400 or something like that
[14:45:44] <cradek> xemet: yes I think so
[14:46:44] <xemet> of course with the right scaling...
[14:47:51] <xemet> uhm...the output is a velocity... so position per second
[14:48:35] <xemet> but, If I've to control a velocity, such that of the spindle, I've commanded and feedback are units per second, and the output will be an acceleration
[14:48:42] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: know what vram it might have?
[14:49:04] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: the millenium has 4 or 8MB - not sure if that's what you're asking
[14:49:17] <cradek> I think it has 4
[14:49:20] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: yeah =) vram == video ram
[14:49:53] <cradek> sure, I just didn't know if by "what" you meant "how much"
[14:50:22] <Jymmmmmmm> shit, I'm out of single cpu machines to try out, next option is to find a pci video card cheap today.
[14:50:28] <cradek> xemet: the output of what is acceleration?
[14:50:38] <xemet> of the PID
[14:51:22] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: ah, gotcha =) still asleep, first sip of coffee
[14:51:31] <xemet> the documentation says the the PID output is a velocity in unit per second, so if the input is a velocity, the output will be in fact an accelaration
[14:52:48] <cradek> I guess I think of PID output as a measure of error - I never thought about what its units might be
[14:53:22] <anonimasu> cradek: same with me
[14:53:27] <xemet> uhm....it is not so simple for me...the PWM command control the speed, so it should be costant and increase or decrease if the speed is different from the constant
[14:53:51] <xemet> for example, I want 5000 rpm, so I set the PWM value to 5000
[14:54:09] <cradek> no, pid sets the pwm value
[14:54:20] <cradek> you set pid's "goal" input to 5000
[14:54:34] <xemet> Ok, it sets it, but what happen when speed reaches 5000?
[14:54:49] <cradek> the pid error goes down, so the pwm stabilizes
[14:54:54] <xemet> the PID set output to 0...and so the PWM to 0 nd the
[14:55:08] <xemet> and the speed start to decrease
[14:55:51] <xemet> and the PID start to increase it again...ok, maybe I begin to understand
[14:56:10] <xemet> maybe...
[14:57:36] <cradek> it's confusing because we're used to thinking of position loops
[14:58:04] <xemet> I think I've to try, if I don't try directly I will not understand it very well...
[14:58:17] <Jymmmmmmm> * Jymmmmmmm thinks in fruitloops
[14:58:47] <xemet> yes, actually in that case "speed" is the position I want to reach...5000, 10000, 20000
[14:59:23] <xemet> and the PID output should give the acceleration value proportionally in order to reach that speed
[15:00:46] <Jymmmmmmm> a glorified tach?
[15:04:19] <cradek> xemet: maybe you're right - I think you will have to integrate the pid output
[15:04:53] <cradek> not sure if you can get that loop to stabilize then or not
[15:05:22] <xemet> I will experiment...
[15:05:37] <cradek> you should ask someone else like jmk or ray :-)
[15:05:42] <cradek> or swp
[15:06:06] <xemet> but you've realyzed threads with lathe...
[15:06:16] <xemet> how did you control the spindle speed?
[15:06:30] <cradek> the spindle is free-running, the axis motion syncs to it
[15:07:17] <xemet> ok, so you simply read the spindle speed and the axis adapts to that
[15:07:38] <cradek> you read the spindle position and do 'electronic gearing'
[15:08:04] <xemet> I thought you was adjusting the spindle speed according to the setted axis speed
[15:08:07] <cradek> just like a manual lathe gears them together by position
[15:08:19] <cradek> nope, the other way around
[15:08:29] <xemet> ok understood
[15:08:45] <cradek> the spindle is uncontrolled for threading, and the axis follows whatever the spindle does
[15:08:54] <xemet> so it is a little dofferent from my problem
[15:09:02] <cradek> or, totally different even :-)
[15:09:08] <xemet> yes :)
[15:09:52] <xemet> ok, I will try...at the moment I'm waiting for some hall sensors I've to buy on ebay
[15:09:59] <xemet> the auction end tomorrow
[15:10:16] <Jymmmmmmm> xemet: eh, rip apart some 3 wire fans =)
[15:10:55] <xemet> jymmm I've ripped one...but there was a strange sensor with 4 terminals and there was other components
[15:11:02] <Jymmmmmmm> weird
[15:11:03] <xemet> I'm not expert in electronics
[15:11:27] <xemet> so I wnat to purchase a simple hall sensor with 3 terminal, ttl output open collector
[15:11:35] <xemet> so I can connect it in a simple way
[15:12:08] <xemet> using few other components (I hope two-three)
[15:16:00] <Jymmmmmmm> sounds like a plan
[15:17:03] <Jymmmmmmm> http://www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=11 =)
[15:17:34] <xemet> great!
[15:18:02] <Jymmmmmmm> but, you might be able to just rip apart an old hdd too
[15:18:28] <xemet> yes, I've taken a lot of them even in old CDROM
[15:18:38] <Jymmmmmmm> cdrom???
[15:18:39] <xemet> CD rom drives, in the lens
[15:18:49] <Jymmmmmmm> a magnet in cdrom?
[15:18:56] <xemet> there are two very small magents
[15:19:01] <xemet> rectangular
[15:19:10] <Jymmmmmmm> really? where?
[15:19:19] <xemet> to position the lens
[15:19:39] <Jymmmmmmm> I'll have to look closely next time
[15:19:58] <xemet> just destroy the lens assembly...there are two small bobins and two magnets
[15:20:23] <Jymmmmmmm> ok WTF.... THIRD machine that just crashed X
[15:21:58] <xemet> this is the sensor I would like to use: TLE4935
[15:22:11] <skunkworks> Jymmmmmmm: that doesn't sound good.. Could it be the checksum error on the live cd itself?
[15:22:29] <xemet> http://www.tranzistoare.ro/datasheets/270/318493_DS.pdf
[15:24:07] <Jymmmmmmm> skunkworks: do you rememer how to check?
[15:25:56] <skunkworks> Jymmmmmmm: never done it. Seems to me there is a utility.
[15:26:38] <Jymmmmmmm> Yeah, I just don't remember the details
[15:26:41] <Jymmmmmmm> =)
[15:27:27] <skunkworks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum
[15:27:46] <cradek> you can verify the CD using the verify on its own boot menu
[15:27:55] <Jymmmmmmm> k
[15:27:58] <skunkworks> cradek: cool
[15:28:00] <skunkworks> ;)
[15:28:07] <cradek> that's about the only foolproof way actually
[15:28:44] <Jymmmmmmm> thers a way to md5sum the cd, but I dont remember how =)
[15:29:05] <anonimasu> it's on the bootloader
[15:30:06] <Jymmmmmmm> yeah that one I know, but ther's another way when you are creating an iso
[15:30:40] <Jymmmmmmm> from the cd itself that is
[15:31:30] <anonimasu> md5sum /dev/cdrom
[15:31:49] <Jymmmmmmm> unmounted?
[15:31:55] <anonimasu> no idea..
[15:31:59] <Jymmmmmmm> heh
[15:34:27] <Jymmmmmmm> looks like the bootloader check is doing file-by-file check
[15:34:35] <Jymmmmmmm> 0 checksoms failed
[15:35:23] <skunkworks> is there anything common between the 3 systems
[15:35:44] <Jymmmmmmm> electricity, lan, kybd,mouse
[15:35:56] <Jymmmmmmm> and monitor
[15:37:10] <Jymmmmmmm> oh yeah, and operator
[16:02:01] <Jymmmmmmm> Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck..... this mobo supports up to 4gb ram too =(
[16:39:08] <\x90> crepincdotcom`
[16:39:11] <\x90> gah
[16:39:16] <\x90> \x90 is now known as crepincdotcom`
[16:45:45] <lerneaen_hydra> http://xkcd.com/c252.html
[16:47:21] <cradek> yeah I have that too...
[18:11:12] <bytecolor> I've attached an image and used: [[ImageLink(figure1.png,width=200,height=300)]]. In the previous paragraph I'd like to create a link 'Figure 1' but have it show the full sized image.
[18:12:35] <NightHawk> good evening to everybody!
[18:12:46] <bytecolor> the link that's shown ->
[18:13:19] <bytecolor> yes I realize you cant see that link :) just wondering how to link to it from the page
[18:14:06] <bytecolor> wrong channel again... sorry
[18:14:15] <bytecolor> * bytecolor needs to wake up :)
[18:15:33] <skunkworks> NightHawk: hi
[18:17:47] <bytecolor> I've only got like 68 terminals running on 4 desktops
[18:32:44] <NightHawk> I'd like to know which CPU you suggest me for linuxCNC.
[18:33:26] <NightHawk> I have to buy a new mini-itx industrial PC and I'd like to know if it's exaggerated to buy a MINI-ITX based on an Intel Dual Core
[18:37:44] <cradek> NightHawk: Pentium III
[19:12:15] <NightHawk> Wow
[19:12:29] <NightHawk> PIII. Why not a new P4?
[19:14:09] <alex_joni> NightHawk: p3 might work better
[19:14:23] <alex_joni> p4 has lots of optimizing inside, which makes it a bit worse for realtime
[19:15:25] <alex_joni> you might get a bit better performance from a dual core, but that's still experimental
[19:15:33] <alex_joni> and I wouldn't recomend it right now
[19:18:07] <NightHawk> mmmmm
[19:18:14] <NightHawk> I think yor are right
[19:18:31] <NightHawk> but .... where I can find a mini-itx based on a P3?
[19:18:50] <NightHawk> any info about the classic mini-itx with Via C3 processor?
[19:19:10] <NightHawk> I don't think it will be good for realtime
[19:19:20] <NightHawk> maybe the Pentium M or Celeron
[19:19:27] <alex_joni> I think I saw some people use via
[19:19:30] <NightHawk> AMD Sempron?
[19:19:43] <alex_joni> I have an athlon (desktop though) which works GREAT
[19:19:48] <alex_joni> NightHawk: my advice..
[19:19:53] <alex_joni> grab a LiveCD
[19:19:58] <alex_joni> and hurry to your local store
[19:20:05] <alex_joni> and try it out, run the latency test
[19:20:49] <CIA-19> 03petev 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/components/boss_plc.c:
[19:20:49] <CIA-19> -Changed cycle start logic to be event based so that only feed hold causes
[19:20:49] <CIA-19> that went in-active before the event are cleared. Holding the cycle start
[19:20:49] <CIA-19> button will not clear feed hold causes that go in-active while it is being
[19:20:49] <CIA-19> held. It will need to be released and pressed again.
[19:21:31] <NightHawk> Alex_Joni : I don't remember how to run the latency test. ;-(
[19:23:00] <skunkworks> NightHawk: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting
[19:23:20] <skunkworks> section 2.1
[19:24:53] <NightHawk> skunkworks
[19:25:02] <NightHawk> skunkworks : thankyou very much
[19:25:22] <skunkworks> no problems - I can help with the easy question ;)
[19:26:45] <NightHawk> but it's quite diffuicult to choose a CPU. As I said I'm trying to develop a complete system for CNC automation based around LinuxCNC.
[19:27:33] <NightHawk> And I have to buy the best card for it. I think that the Commell LV-677 will be the best (intel Dual Core) but now I'm not sure.
[19:27:46] <m415> hi all. my apologies for not having an EMC specific question, but i'm looking for someone to train a small group of us on a tormach pcnc 1100 in San Francisco. any ideas where i can start looking for someone?
[19:32:10] <skunkworks> m415: I would go to www.cnczone.com and look for a local chapter.
[19:32:43] <NightHawk> I've found this : Quite helpful :) http://issaris.org/~takis/projects/rtai/livecd/list_distinct_cpus.php
[19:34:47] <m415> skunkworks: thx
[20:02:10] <ds3> m415: what kind of training?
[20:24:51] <m415> ds3: just instructions in basic operation. we're not machinists.
[20:49:08] <Jymmmmmmm> I think we have a new winner..... http://issaris.org/~takis/projects/rtai/livecd/screenshots/pirt-0.6-rtai_up_test_data.png
[20:50:26] <cradek> yours?
[20:50:45] <alex_joni> that seems quite bad
[20:50:52] <cradek> probably in vmware or something
[20:51:21] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: no, not mine
[20:51:33] <NightHawk> 42.3ms.... mmmmmhhhh
[20:51:45] <Jymmmmmmm> just scrnshots from here http://issaris.org/~takis/projects/rtai/livecd/screenshots.php
[20:52:26] <Jymmmmmmm> booted off theRTAI cd
[20:52:36] <cradek> ata1 master: QEMU CD-ROM ...
[20:53:53] <cradek> a better test would be our CD running X and other apps
[20:54:20] <cradek> the last one I installed had a "smart" raid controller in it that had to be removed
[20:54:32] <cradek> that would never have shown up with this test
[20:55:39] <Jymmmmmmm> ...and glxgears =)
[21:03:35] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: Oh, I almost forgot to mention.... Initially I accidentlly set memory to 8196, instead of 8192 in xorg.conf. When I set it correctly, it didn't crash as quickly.
[21:08:40] <chr0n1c> howdy...
[21:13:26] <chr0n1c> i got okay from one boss to turn the new(er) knee mill they have into a cnc
[21:13:40] <chr0n1c> i gotta get the onther one.. the tough one to ok it now
[21:13:48] <chr0n1c> then they are gonna buy the parts
[21:14:10] <chr0n1c> kinda like a go ask your mom thing...
[21:18:03] <petev> does anybody have a good source in the US for robot cable?
[21:18:08] <skunkworks> ?
[21:18:34] <petev> flexible shielded twisted pair stuff that's rated for flexing
[21:24:38] <chr0n1c> rexel
[21:24:42] <chr0n1c> in dayton
[21:24:51] <chr0n1c> is where we use to get our industrial cable
[21:24:57] <chr0n1c> for robot cells
[21:25:14] <chr0n1c> daytonohio
[21:25:22] <chr0n1c> dayton, ohio
[21:25:36] <skunkworks> Dayton, OH?
[21:25:38] <skunkworks> ;)
[21:25:42] <chr0n1c> yessir
[21:26:18] <petev> this them www.rexelmidatlantic.com ?
[21:26:32] <chr0n1c> lemme look
[21:27:04] <chr0n1c> Company Name: Rexel Division: DNAD Branch Number : 3601
[21:27:03] <chr0n1c> 6196 Poe Ave.
[21:27:03] <chr0n1c> Dayton, OH 45414 Phone: (937) 264-9028
[21:27:03] <chr0n1c> FAX : (937) 264-9067
[21:27:03] <chr0n1c> Store Webpage
[21:27:12] <chr0n1c> that's the division we used
[21:27:19] <chr0n1c> but u guess they all sell the same
[21:28:06] <chr0n1c> all sorts of industrial NEW connectors and automation supplies
[21:28:14] <chr0n1c> cabling*
[21:28:33] <chr0n1c> i never knew they were nationwide
[21:28:47] <petev> I only see east coast
[21:29:09] <chr0n1c> the company in dayton was named something else, i guess they got bought out and that's why they changed the name recently and moved into a huge! building
[21:29:25] <chr0n1c> ok.. i meant more thanohio wheni said nationwide.. ;)
[21:29:36] <petev> ha, I'm in CA
[21:29:42] <chr0n1c> id rive by there all the time
[21:29:53] <chr0n1c> damn mt dew inmy kb
[21:30:05] <chr0n1c> making me miss spaces and stuff
[21:38:16] <Jymmmmmmm> petev: What makes you thinkyou're in California? or have ever been to the hilton in SJ
[21:39:02] <chr0n1c> i'm in uh... poserhellville
[21:39:18] <Jymmmmmmm> chr0n1c: north hollywood?
[21:39:20] <chr0n1c> they all think they are gangsters
[21:39:28] <chr0n1c> no no no
[21:39:33] <chr0n1c> daywon...
[21:39:35] <chr0n1c> daton
[21:39:42] <chr0n1c> DAYTON< OHIO EVEN
[21:40:10] <chr0n1c> geez... i heart typos
[21:40:48] <Jymmmmmmm> skunkworks: SOB.... the livecd I had didn't md5 check, dl new iso, checked it, then md5sum /dev/cdrom and it passwed where my original butrn didnt
[21:41:27] <Jymmmmmmm> The moral of this lil story is... DONT TRUST THE "CHECK THIS CD" from the boot menu
[21:41:29] <anonimasu> that'll help probably
[21:41:45] <Jymmmmmmm> anonimasu: no doubt
[21:41:58] <anonimasu> my system did that kind of stuff..
[21:42:01] <anonimasu> but I had too little ram
[21:42:05] <Jymmmmmmm> and burn all iso's and the lowest speed you can 4x
[21:43:14] <chr0n1c> i burn everything no more than 8, 12x if it's a fast pc
[21:43:22] <chr0n1c> and i never have bad discs
[21:43:24] <anonimasu> or get a new cd recorder..
[21:43:35] <anonimasu> my recoder worked great but after 4 years it's getting tired
[21:43:55] <chr0n1c> my burner sez it does 52x, but when you do, you can actually visually see the wobble in the laser on the bottom of the burnt cds
[21:44:13] <chr0n1c> that was when it was new
[21:44:36] <anonimasu> heh
[21:44:42] <anonimasu> that's odd..
[21:44:44] <chr0n1c> ...it only cost $19
[21:45:01] <chr0n1c> no manual, no cables, no software, not even a box
[21:45:08] <chr0n1c> jsut a pink static bag
[21:45:54] <Jymmmmmmm> I have a brand new dvd burner, but still burn at 4x and you'll have a lot less coasters
[21:47:21] <anonimasu> dont buy shit..
[21:47:22] <anonimasu> simple solution
[21:47:29] <anonimasu> ^_^
[21:47:50] <Jymmmmmmm> Brand name media and brand name burners.... only thing left is crappy ISO's
[21:48:58] <Jymmmmmmm> we use older HW on the controllers, they just do better when the iso is burned at 4x
[21:51:37] <chr0n1c> don't forget... defrag the iso before you burn them for optimal results
[21:51:44] <chr0n1c> and have nothing else running
[21:51:48] <chr0n1c> no matter how fast your pc
[22:03:30] <Jymmmmmmm> to reconfigure X it's: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg correct?
[22:05:30] <chr0n1c> looks right
[22:05:37] <chr0n1c> but i'm no expert
[22:06:22] <Jymmmmmmm> well, why the hell not!?!?!?!?!?! LOL
[22:07:24] <chr0n1c> if you was gonna pay me to tell you that was right.. i'd be an expert then
[22:07:38] <Jymmmmmmm> the check is in the mail
[22:10:10] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/15817
[22:16:47] <chr0n1c> they sell ms dos on 5.25" disks... that's awesome
[22:30:27] <Jymmmmmmm> lol, they have 8"floppy drives too
[22:30:47] <Jymmmmmmm> well crap.... even with the good cd it still crashes X
[22:31:12] <Jymmmmmmm> more tests....
[22:31:31] <Jymmmmmmm> post install, pre update
[22:37:44] <Jymmmmmmm> ok, if I install ubuntu, is there a emc pkg I can install later?
[22:37:52] <chr0n1c> yup
[22:37:55] <chr0n1c> i believeso
[22:38:09] <chr0n1c> browse the linux cnc repository
[22:38:15] <chr0n1c> first~!
[22:38:23] <chr0n1c> just in case i'm wrong
[22:39:23] <Jymmmmmmm> at this point, dont really matter too much
[22:39:37] <Jymmmmmmm> I've reinstalled four time so far on three machines
[23:02:09] <ds3> Hmmm
[23:54:03] <jmkasunich> I found a bug in newegg's ordering system... free stuff!
[23:54:15] <jmkasunich> (stuff I don't want tho)
[23:56:07] <jmkasunich> this morning they listed the E6600 as back in stock again, so I ordered it, and some ram, and a graphics card
[23:56:36] <jmkasunich> it threw in a free video game, part of some combo deal with the CPU
[23:56:52] <jmkasunich> 5 mins later, email: sorry, one of your items is out of stock
[23:56:55] <jmkasunich> sure enough, the CPU
[23:57:01] <jmkasunich> so I order it elsewhere
[23:57:28] <jmkasunich> tonight I check the order, the CPU is gone, as expected, but the $39.99 game AND the $39.99 combo credit are still there