is there a way to supress the EMC splash screen?
yes it's configured in your ini
ok, thanks cradek
cradek, what is the option called, cant grep anything like splash or screen
# Introductory graphic
INTRO_GRAPHIC = emc2.gif
INTRO_TIME = 5
I'm running: emc ~/.emc2/configs/sim/axis.ini' file.ngc and editing the INTRO_TIME in that .ini, but it's not doing anything
tried 0 and -1
hrm I've got a ~/.emcrc, does that override all other .ini ?
so maybe add the section there?
I've not installed EMC btw, still running from the source dir
OK - Youtube - I'll play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lnqeodIIUw&NR=1
HDD vrs Thermite.
or the "Screensavers" TV show clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKB5nnHGAk&mode=related&search=
yo, what's shakin...
i just posted my first g-code with mastercamX... the resutling file does have R output for arcs.. but no i,j or k words in it... any ideas on how to fix this?
emc accepts either format
i scanned through the post proc. file in mcam and i didn't see any thing to change
well.. it's giving me an error
if i pastebin the g-code.. can someone take a look and maybe try it?
leme run it again.. 2 secs.
rijk words all missing for arc...
but it has R words?
it must not on that line
[03:31:01] <chr0n1c> http://pastebin.ca/452220
that;s the proggie
what line is the error?
it sez.. near line 320
but.. near line 320 has a r word
I agree line 320 is an arc that does not have an R word
so is 321
so something about your post is bogus
you know anything about posts?
yeah: sometimes they are bogus
i can decipher some of it
but not much
nope I don't know anything
call your vendor, you paid for that software and it's busted
cradek: I installed 768mb ram and now that box crashes x instantly =)
try another post, should be a slew of them on the CD/DVD
try a fanuc post.. should get you close i would think
i tried the mpfan post
that gcode looked great except there was a missing G1 or G0 on that line
and the generic 3 axis post
that's what i thought
maybe it should have switched back to g1
i can always save the drawing then post it back in v9 .. uhh.. fun
R's can be modal like I and J, but the Z move throws a curve ball
yeah.. looks odd
looks like the rest would be ok (i haven't gone through all of it yet)
... if i add a g1 on that line
the code is making a dial for my ghetto rotary/divider head
engraved on a cd
or.. was gonna make
i re-used the spindel out of the mini drill press i ripped out of it.. the same one i used the fram for my cnc..
I man have on of my old Haas posts, dunno, but it would be for ver 7.2
havent mucked with mc in a long time
i have one for v9 that works great
so i should be able to save in mc9 and post from there
not too much trouble
i like v9 better anyways
but x has some fancy shit
*to draw with
doing anything in mastercam is a pain in the ass
i reccomend using solidworks or autocad to do your dirty work and just making the toolpath in mc
* toastydeath hands out unsolicited opinions
i like drawing in mc
it works the same way my brain does
have you used autocad 2007 or solidworks
i alway do things the hard way first anyways
or any recent version of autocad, i guess
i use 2008 at work
then why use mastercam to draw
it's not bad... but i used mc for like 4 years running a machine at work and got used to doing everything in it
i can't draw in autocad as quick as i can mc
if i knew more of the shortcuts maybe
but in mc...
v9 that is
you can type the first letter of the command and skip through menus
so if you want line endpoints.. you type c,l,e then click away
that's kind of how autocad works
or arc with a centerpoint and a diameter.. you type c,a,c
i know.. dimlinear
and a few other for ac.. but not as many as i do for mc
sooo.. i figured out that the head of my mini drill press/cnc xyza conversoin project.. was only being held from going down on the head post was a shady roll pin
I usually model in solidwork and export as a wireframe iges, then just start chaining the imported wireframe
i knocked it out earlier and now i ca set z with out zeroing!
i wish i knew/had solidworks
it is good stuff
i wish we used pro/e at work instead though
i like it better
you can do more crap
more crap.. my brain is already scattered as it is.. lol
but... i did just now save that as a v9 mc file and did the posting there.. worked fine
axis verified it as a good g-code program
now.. i gotta pee.. then set zero and run it!
3ds to dxf or iges? anyone got any ideas?
autodesk 3d studio?
what i was tryin to do is take a 3ds model of a car and mount a chunk of wax in my rotary axis and cut it...
and mastercam can import iges
and take care of my rotary axis code...
cradek: agreed, it misses some moves..
that's my problem
Is there anything I should be aware of if I install on a dual cpu system?
someone else did this
were they succesful?
required a custom build of RTAI
but they got it working, didn't take long
had to get source that handled SMP combined with realtime
I may try it myself on a dual pIII-600 setup (the only dual I have which doesn't have integrated SCSI)
I have some dual system with scsi,a dn some with ide raid controller onboard.
would be neat to separate motion from screen/gui i/o
I have no idea why X keeps crashing on me when I run RTAI test + glxgears, and nothing in the logs
RTAI and SCSI don't get along well - if you don't have anything connected to the SCSI bus then it might be OK
which video card and driver?
oh, the crashing system, ATI mach64 agp
I did a virgin install from the livecd too. resolution is now at 1600x1200 finally, but I just don't know. cradek said HW failure, but no clue.
I'd almost stuff an old PCI vid in there as a test...
I keep an old Trident card for such issues
I guess I could, but this card is about the only one I have that X likes.
X is picky
was sooo much grief on my laptop
Heh, tell me about it. The sad part is that most of the board sI have are PCI only, no agp slots
They are mostly server boards, video is not a big deal.
ended up lying to X - told it I was using a big samsung CRT
then it worked on the LCD
The ONe thing that M$ does good that nix doesn't... video
vendors who want M$ certifed drivers...
they want that Windows sticker for the box...
I asked earlier how I can tell what resolution I was at currently, nobody could tell me how to find out. M$, right-click the desktop and click on properties.
and I feel your server board pain...
I bought this one systme becasue it doens't have ANYTHING onboard, all cards.
not even soundcard
I have 3 GTW 6400's pair of 933's, pr of 1.0 and a single 933
then a Dell Precision 530 with dual 2.8 p4 xeons, but that has and AGPpro slot...
The board I want to try EMC on is a Tekram dual slot 1 - has the scsi silk screened, but not populated.
I just have way too many period.... most are dual cpu's, and at least 768
well, except for one that is.
would love to fill up my Dell - but PC800 ECC RDram at 40ns is VERY Pricey
all mine are pc100
those GTW 6400's use the ASUS cur-dls motherboard - requires Reg-ECC PC133 SDram
used to cost a fourtune to fill one up
Just a place to consider.... http://www.oempcworld.com/
1gb reg ecc - $180
I don't use them much anymore
they have good customer service
oempcworld i mean
que up Video conversion from raw to Mpeg2 mastered DVD's
one job would take 30 hours
on a dual pIII-933, 2gb ram, dual raids - read for source raid - process - write to ouput raid.
same job using 2 IDE hdd instead of SCSI raid added 6hrs
I'm off to bed...
g night, me in 15 minutes too
hi room from France ;)
please, i need help to update my EMC2
what update do you need help with phil?
hi cradek, happy to c u again ;=)
hi "need" to update to 2.1.13
but when i try with the auto update of ubuntu, it says me that there is no update available !
yep last one
what version of emc do you have now?
for those instructions go to wiki.linuxcnc.org
near the top in the News area is a link
"Instructions for upgrading from 2.0.x to 2.1.4"
ok i look at now
be sure to read that whole page because there are two things to do - first the install, then you have to make a few changes to your configuration
i want only update .. ( newbie with linux ... u have already help me to install this version last year ! .. )
it say that i must only change the depositary .. right ?
sorry I don't understand what you're asking
that page says just what to do - what part do you have a question about?
on the wiki page, there is write that i only need to set the repositories
i dont find where in the synaptic ! :(
please read the instructions more carefully
it says "go to Settings/Repositories"
that means on the Settings menu select Repositories
i find only this url : http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
oups error ..
ok i think its ok
[13:52:21] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.1
you are at this page right?
it update the package names ..
i have a problem with : file:///home/phil/gcc-3.4/./Packages.gz ...
is it a prob for emc2 ?
may i enable update for emc2 & axis ( it say me that first it will delete emc2 ! .. the configuration will be safe ?? )
the sample configurations in /etc/emc2 will be updated
the configuration in your home directory will not be touched - you have to update it yourself following the instructions on that next page
ok i try to understand the UPDATE wiki page .. but my english is bad ..
i dont understand all .. i read that the script do not all the changes :(
ay i update only Axis to have the frecnh translation ?
hi all. just finished wiring some encoders to my m5i20... now let's see if they work
cradek, I ran into something yesterday regarding G2 or G3 motion. Does emc2 require all axes defined in the block? I thought it was necessary only if the axis position changes? I kept getting errors for not all axes in motion..
that tells what is required for the different formats of arcs
is anyone up to date on the latest m5i20 driver work ?
specifically, is the hostmot-4 with a 100MHz pwm clock now a standard choice? or do I have to load it manually like before
bbl ty cradek
cradek: Yes, I knew emc adheres to RS274, so maybe I will need to look at the post processor more closely. This is Bobcad. Seems that when I enable only changed axes, I get errors in emc because (I assume) the post is not generating clean code. I need to re-create this.
jimlas53: yeah if you have an example line we can check it to see if it makes sense
Firing up vmware/XP to get to Bobcad. Hmmm, kinda slow when emc is running <grin!> Still, good to have a little horsepower.
cradek: OK, I created a pocket, the G-code and emc complains "All axes missing with motion code". This is the first time I've used IRC, so how do I get this file to you?
go to http://pastebin.ca
paste it in the window there, and submit it. That gives you a URL - then paste the URL here.
[14:38:31] <jimlas53> http://pastebin.ca/452777
yep looks bogus doesn't it
line 19 has a center but no endpoint specified
that doesn't fully specify an arc
So this is a post problem. I have to make it generate all axes to get around it.
unless you can fix it
maybe all axes for arc only would be enough
(if you have that choice)
I need to dig into the post and see if I can fix it. I hat having to dive into that. Still waiting for a simple CAM program. GCAM looks promising, although it just isn't there yet. I tried generating a similar pocket last night and it generated several hundred lines of code. I didn't try to run it.
what happens if you ask bobcad to fix it? the software's not cheap - seems like you shouldn't have to fix it
they may not know how many emc users are using bobcad - because emc users are more likely to try to fix it themselves
maybe you ought to at least let them know
True - I don't recall seeing this problem in the past. Maybe they "fixed" the post at some time.
This is a very recent install, so the post might have changed.
where is halmeter when I compile --enable-run-in-place ??
Hey, just some feedback. I recently (maybe a month?) moved from emc to emc2. Did the complete install from the live CD, figured out the hal and connections, got both my mill and router up and going with only minor pain. Very nice!! The mill uses Steve's PMDX-120 board with API servos, the router is HobbyCNC steppers. Both machines run well.
that's great! thanks
damn... the 2.1.4 halmeter does not want to work with my TRUNK
nope you can't mix and match hal tools
jimlas53: are you going to do anything new with emc2, like add jogwheels etc?
cradek: should halmeter be in emc2/bin ? I can't find it
yes, it is for me
it may not have been built if you were missing build requirements
try running configure again and check the output
yep, "no such file"
warning for ncurses missing
that's not it - it would be gtk something
Xaw lib missing
ah: checking for GTK 2.4.0 or above... configure: WARNING: GTK2 not found, some utilities (halscope, halvcp, classicladder) will not be built
that is something that must have changed fairly recently
A jogwheel would be pretty cool, especially when trying to get the tool positioned. I assume it could be configured for speed with the slider? Kind of hard to play with the keyboard or mouse when locating center or positioning a cutter. I've seen recent mentions on the user list. Is this a currently available feature?
maybe you have gtk 1?
jimlas53: yes jogwheels are available and working great
cradek: probably... I'll try searching for gtk2.4 with the packet manager
jimlas53: you select the scale with another hal input, so you can switch between .001 and .0001 per jogwheel click for instance
there's also joystick jogging but I haven't tried it yet
be back later...
cradek: this seems to be Ubuntu 5.10 is it worth trying to get TRUNK to compile?
... looks like I need to ugprade from 5.10 to 6.06lts
etla: 5.10 will still work fine, but it is no longer supported by ubuntu
we will make packages for 5.10 throughout the EMC2.1 cycle
we will not make 2.2 packages for 5.10
so you'll want to upgrade one of these days.
beware the upgrade will mess up EMC/realtime packages - you will have to fix them afterward
so it's 6.06lts I want ? not the latest and gratest 7.04
the LTS release is good for 4? more years which is really nice
cradek, is there a script to fix realtime package after update to 6.06 or later ?
not really, the best way is to uninstall emc2, the realtime kernel, and rtai before the upgrade
then you can install using the installation script afterward
OR, use the emc2 CD to do a fresh install which is very easy
ok, I'm really going for breakfast now :-)
so... if I don't want to upgrade right now, can I run the realtime system of 2.1.4? where is the 'realtime' script when isntalled?
ok i can do a fresh install .. i need only save my home/config ?
ok ty cradek, hace a good break ! ;)
yay! at least one encoder works
4000 counts/rev... that should be enough!
1000 line encoder?
hi all, anyone know the detailed difference between Y- and Delta-wiring for an AC motor ?
there's a lathe I've been looking at which has a 400V motor, but I'd like to run it off a 230V vfd
the plate on the motor says it's possible to wire it for both 400V and 230V
some motors can be rewired
don't think there is any difference from the vfd's perspective
good point, amps go up
it's a 1.5hp motor, so about 1.1 kW I think. shouldn't be that bad on 230V
awallin: 230 * sqrt(3) = 400
* Skullworks_PGAB was picturing something much larger...
so 230V is the delta connection, and 400 is the wye (which has 230V line-to-neutral)
the current at 230V will be sqrt(3) times higher than at 400V
both sets of current ratings are probably on the nameplate, as long as the 230 amps is less than your vfd rating you should be good to go
it's rated at about 1500rpm with the 400V wiring. will that change with delta wiring at 230V ? what about torque ?
Sapote_reloaded is now known as Sapote
doesn't change the speed and torque will not change
ok, great. sounds like I just need a new vector vfd then. (+throw out the 400V cables and stuff that come with the lathe)
anyone used an Optimum D320 lathe ? any good? (http://www.optimum-maschinen.de/produkte/drehmaschinen/d-320/index.html)
I bet basically the same machine is sold worlwide just with different names...
what would you like to do with it
and yes, that lathe is sold under different names
I've used one that looks almost idential to it
or anyone - Is there a simple way to handle a BHC in solidworks?
i don't know what that stands for
bolt hole circle
make one hole
toastydeath: well, it would be mostly small parts in alu or brass. not thinking about large parts in steel or something
then do a circular pattern
if you need a bolt circle in the middle of nowhere, you'll have to create a reference axis
before you do the circular pattern, so it has something to pattern around
so do a single hole complete, use it as the reference then use the circle pattern wiz?
around as in center point?
ok - knew there had to be a simple solution
there's usually a simple way to do things in solidworks
until you start getting into to more complex revolved and lofted surfaces
(Hurco mode - Pattern loop rotate...)
Hurco conversational programing had full pattern functions - was outstanding... (still is, I just don't have one that works anymore...)
isn't like uh
g73 or something
bolt hole circle
or is it 83?
i forget, whatever
Maybe Someday GWiz will be that evolved
there is a mirror function
In conversational mode Hurco had no G-codes.
toastydeath: that's also easy..
Was a hard transition - not having an MDI mode for doing setups...
but once you get your head on straight it was fantastic
hurco comuters are crap to
i really want to learn to cam and set screw machines
Kinda like SolidWorks - I'm constantly having to unlearn the old rules to make it work
I love the heidenhain converstaional.. when doing stuff on the machine..
gutted mine to fit EMC
it's 20 times more efficient then g-code imo..
depends on the application
we use conversational for limited runs
it's more like g-code then conversational..
many of the conversational cut alot of air
you still need to do your loops/stuff manually but creating loops macros/using variables is easy
not optimal for speed - but they will have the part running sooner than the full CAD?CAM route
and if your only doing a few - its the way...
well, cad/cam is probably as fast.. depending on what kind of part..
a conversational/manual hybrid is fastest
for lone parts
did you see the heidenhain conversational?
I have not
toastydeath: also, you are just learning solidworks..
no, i've been using it for some time
(here GMT -6)
ah that was skullworks..
* Skullworks_PGAB is just learning
was needed to make a replacement side case for a Harley - we built in a PTO to drive a micro supercharger that fit between the cylinders...
trying to replicae the casting plus add the needed features...
SW was the only way
thankfully I had someone with 5+ years exp using SW to help
okay.. i have been looking at steppers online... i can't seem to find a chart to tell me what fram size my motors are
what is the hole to hole distance
for the 4 mounting holes
as soon as i find my calipers i'l tell ya
is that nema 23?
where'd the dude asking about that manual lathe go
47.1 wouldbe a nema 23
you still here
i think i need a bigger oz/in on my X.. because it's moving A Lot of weight...
i can hardly carry the x/y bolted together by myself...
they don't look that heavy...
you will be able to do generic work on it
you just won't be able to go fast
it has to move the ballscrew.. which alone is a lot for this motor... and then all of the y slide.. and all of the table and whatever is on it
i figured out at 10 ipm last night i loose steps
in my experience, that class of manual machine requires a pedantic setup
if i do 5 ippm i am fine
how fast are you spinning it?
5-7 ipm is ok
direct drive to a 5tpi leadscrew
but.. i don't have the chopper driver done yet...
you will get more speed and more torque..
up to a limit
i was thinking about buying a couple gear sets from mcmaster-carr
seriously, it makes a big difference in being able to use your motors..
2:1 or mor?
you have a data sheet for your motor right?
chronic - you will be able to get 65 ipm with that chopper
chr0n1c: well, trial and error..
I'd guess your motor stops at around 2000rpm max..
I think that was limit for my steppers..
that's amazing to think i could do 65 and only getting 7 or so now
you dont want to go over the peak torque rpm for your motor..
your running only 5V now - Volts is speed
err "torque peak" that is..
i guess i just need to go ahead and test this bitch and solder the amp chips in then.. lol
i been putting it off
that's quite ok speed for cutting..
yeah 5 ipm is ok
200mm/min is sane when cutting with a limited spindle speed.
you hook up a 24v unreg pws and you will have almost 34V after the cap
but my spindle is 8,000 - 32,000
i need to go faster so i don't melt things
I keep my rapids at 4000mm/min..
8,000 melts lexan in about 30 seconds with coolant
even if you still use that ATX pws - switching to 12V will show an improvement
chr0n1c: that's a way too low chipload
oh yeah i got an e-mail form laidman.. the stepperworld guy
he says i can use a 12v w/resistors on his card
i forget the ohms
*the driver i have now
but.. i got the email saved
that should give me a few more ipm's
they are likely BIG resistors
carbon - can't be wirewound
power resistors... he uses the aluminum framed ones
about 2 inches long
wirewound are inductive... - thats a no-no
ok... so where to get a bigger stepper for the nema 23 frame... without gouging my pocket of 200 bux
i looked on ebay.. they are all tiny or huge
get some gecko's
oh, you said stepper.. not driver
ya... i got the hobby cnc 4aupc board almost finished
so i got a better driver almost done
hm, steal them off a big plotter..
[19:26:59] <Skullworks_PGAB> http://www.kelinginc.net/
i been trying to think of what businesses would throw away stuff wth parts i could use
for dumpster diving parts*
...in dayton, ohio.
here is what laidman said
See the attached, you will get a bit better performance by running with 12v and 2.5 ohm power resistor. Not a huge difference, but a bit better. If you run it with the FET3 board you will see about 20% improvement in torque.
20 watt minimum
20% should get me close to ten ipm
KL23H276-30-8B (1/4" Dual Shaft with flat) Specification Price: $39
i'm on that page now..
282 oz Bipolar 200 oz-in unipolar
I have these and the bigger 425 oz-in
the 425 is way overkill
how much voltage to cause a short
I've had that happen once..
so it could handle the 42v max of my driver no prob
it looked like a nuclear explosion
remember a chopper can dump 20-30x the rated voltage
wow... the datasheet says they have .025 thou play in the bearings...
it cuts it off once the coils reach staturation
that's a lot!
i read that wrong
and thats a MAX spec
mine are tight
after i reallized there was a mm after that #
i just saw .025 and peed myself
then i read the rest of the line
you want to test one - I have some that are not mounted.
I could send you one to play with
i'm gonna bookmark that page and test these with the chopper drive and see what i can come up with
those looks beautiful!
that alone will show an improvement
whose's page is that?
do you guys know the person who runs it?
you do need to find out what the current rating of your existing motors are to set the chopper
they have a tag on em
his name is John - never met him but he's a great guy to do business with
ok, i was jsut curious
1a - thats good - if you set it for .8a you might be able to forgo the heatsink if you have a fan on it.
what sorta size steppers will i need for a plasma table?
I stole/salvaged the heatsinks out of blown ATX pws for my driver chips...
feoc - what drive method - belt, rack/pinion and gantry weight?
i took a p2 slot1 heatsink and cut sections of it out
a little section for the power section... (three transistors?) and 4 bigger sections for the amp chips
the sections just need screw holes tapped in them and they are ready to mount after i get some more thermal paste
those rectifiers get warm - but not terrible hot - I didn't sink mine - the driver chips I sinked cause I'm running the full 3A/coil
Skullworks_PGAB erm not sure yet
i figure they will jsut last that much longer and that much more efficient if i heatsinked them
altho ballscrew would be nice
balscrews are so smooth...
and less friction
my mill and lathe runs on ballscrews there nice :)
plasma... only fighting inertia...
how about some .5 pitch double start acme with delrin anti-backlash nuts...
also you will need to use shielded cable - plasma is RF noisy
so my ghetto dividing head dial worked out great... i cut it last night on the back of an old CD
but i broke it in half wheni was filing it :(
get the G-code bug figured out?
Skullworks_PGAB yah i will shield it
i posted it from mc9
tbh even my mill's wiring is shielded on the feedback stuff
saved as mc9 from mcx and posted it with the mpfan post in v9
and errors were from MC-X
i still don't know what's up with mcx
but... i should print both posts out and compare them
to see what's up..
gonna need a post for MCx soon
it's all the crazy code at the bottom that confuses me
tis what im planning on using
BTW newer CD's shouldn't break
the options part at the top is decipherable somewhat
too many lawsuits from damaged hardware.
the generic post with mcx works fine... except it doesn't put g1 after an arc line sometimes
what i found out last night*
i haven't tested it any farther than that...
even M$ got hit by a bad batch of W95 cd's - exploding in drives...
lol.. exploding cd's
i thought that was jsut a myth
putting cd's in the microwave is fun for like 10 seconds.. i can tell ya that much
I worked Warranty tech support - shipped out a bunch of replacements for that
* Skullworks_PGAB would only use the nuker at a 7-11 for that...
gee, i'd go to radio shack down the road and buy my power resistors.. but they only sell ipods now.. :(
but... we already know about that ...
anyone have any ides on how to get this old-as-dirt isa paralell card working on ubuntu so i can have a second par. port?
it have jumpers with silk screened lables?
but how to get ubuntu to recognize it?
can you set it for 0278 address?
or do i just need to find the address and it's working?
i gotta shut the emc box down.. i already stuck it in and was tryin to figure it out
to look at it*
also - you could pop it in and use MSD if you have a dos 6.2~ floppy laying around
i have a freedos live cd...
but it's been so long since i touched dos...
i forget how to set things up
dos it have DEBUG on it?
i always used to have to set up my dads soundcards and crap in dos for him... 12 yrs ago
but MSD can just give you a list...
d0400 or d0040 will show the address
for the base port or second port?
everything it sees
lemme boot the freedos live and messaround
i been tryin to figure out how to add turbocnc to the live cd...
been along time since i did the debug stuff
but i can't get winiso to read the iso file
use to probe the video chipsets to identify which card was in the box, so I didn't have to move/unhook etc.
my bad it's d0:400
[20:09:38] <Jymmmmmmm> http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect51.htm
is that D0:400G
nah, just d0:400<enter>
0000:0400 F8 03 F8 02 E8 03 E8 02-BC 03 78 03 78 02 C0 9F ..........x.x...
f8 03 is 03f8 or the first serial port
after the '-' is the paraports
BC 03 is 03BC, the next one is 78 03 = 0378, etc
ok i got the card out
... whaat irq's and crap should i set?
any sound card?
i dunno why though
it wil lonly play the ubuntu boot sounds
no music or youtube sound
but who needs that on a emc box?
but that's another subject
you could try IRQ9, but that's shared with IRQ2 and you'll need to reserve the IRQ in BIOS too
it sez 5 or 7
If you don't need serial port, you could try that
7 is the existing paraport
try 5, which is usually shared with sound card.
that's kinda why I asked if you had a sound card, if not needed you could always yank it out
jp4 is labeled: 123 jp3 is labeled nor/bi-dir jp2 is irq 5/7 jp1 :26c/27c/268/278/378/3bc
assuming this isn't a ibm thinkpad =)
is what's screened on the card
did you pull up debug yet?
can you guys all just come hang out at my house for the weekend?
lol, i'll buy the beer
sure, send the limo over
and all the hawt chicks too
ehh i chased all the chicks away, they were getting me in trouble
instead of guessing whats available, before setting the jumpers, you should pull up debug
seriously.. all the trouble i ever got in could be linked back to a woman
with the card removed
yeah... i am booting er up now
card's on the bench
what you get debug going, type in: d0:400<enter> then paste the whole line in here
ehhh.. it's like 8 lines of binary?
just the first line
it'll start with 0000:0400
first half all zeroes
before the hyphin?
second half after the - is 78 03 00 00 00 00 80 9f
you don't have any serial ports?
i turned trhem off in bios
and reserved irq 5
for the isa
ok, that makes sense then the first half is all zeros
those are serial port addresses
ok, your existing paraport is at 0378
do you see that?
well what does that part mean?
try setting your isa card to 03BC
if i pop this card in the second half would change to this cards addy?
it'll add it just after the 78 03
where those are 00 00 now
when you pop in the isa card, it should say 78 03 BC 03
after the hyphin
did you pull out the sound card?
no.. it's still in there
is it pci sound card?
if it's an isa sound card with hard coded IRQ, it might conflict with the paraport
hard code meaning jumpers
it's pci and i took it out
if it's in PnP mode, thenyou should be ok
i didn't get anything from debug changed
maybe the cardis dead?
pull the card and verify the jumpers
where was the old jumper set?
also, set that 1/2/3 jumper to 2
the 123 is only 3 pins
it's either 1+2 or 2+3
ok, it's there
bi-dir or normal?
if your into that kinky stuff =)
toastydeath: we know you are
chr0n1c: how ya doin over there?
well.. i went to the restroom
and the card is dead i guess
i got it out of an old old oc i had in the garage...
i'd guess bad caps
or who know..maybe static electricity over the years somehow
beige power on the caps, and the tops are not flat?
they look fine
what address did you set it to?
ubuntu should jsut pick it up anyways if it's not completely dead right?
it's at 03bc
anyways... i'm giving up and buying a new card ;)
thanks for all your help!
i mean... compusa had some for like 40 bux
that says it's good in linux
should be ok right?
i think this card is from 1980 something
27 yrs old.. lol
[20:48:27] <Jymmmmmmm> http://18.104.22.168/search?q=cache:2d08WUXpdoUJ:cgi.ebay.de/TOP-ISA-to-Parallel-Port-Controller-Sun-6311-154_W0QQitemZ190095908158QQcategoryZ26791QQcmdZViewItem+sun+6311+isa+parallel+port&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=firefox-a
For $40 that better be a Siig dual parallel card...
what is the FCC ID ?
well shit.... I had glxgears going, whaited 20 minutes then started rtai test and X choked argh
h9m sun 6311
maybe we need another room - emc hardware....
emc jibba jabba
a general cnc/emc hardware?
I PITY THE FOOL
i searched yesterday for a cnc chatroom...
this is alli could come up with besides command and conquer
for that MCX bug?
just in general
to chat cnc instead of pervo's tryin to pick up ho's
i do believe you have begun to rap
you should start a #cnc room and post it on the emc website
[20:55:13] <Jymmmmmmm> http://www.sunix.com.tw/it/en/PC_Peripherals.html
thats the company who made that card
yeah.. they don't even have isa on thier site anymore lol
is a what?
and the server is slow and a 80 yr old lady drivin a caddy
ok.. i found an isa card on the site
ohhh they make a 2 port parallel card
wheres the bookmark logger
supports linux http://koutech.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=48
I think alex or anonimasu has one of these too
hmm.. i'm going to get some dinner... and i'm gonna drive 20 miles to the computer store and buy another par port card i think...
chr0n1c: before driving 20 miles...
make sure whatever you get is supported by linux, many are not
look at that link I gave
i pulled it up
Re-map function for legacy ports for backward compatibility with legacy parallel port peripherals
5 year warranty too
[21:07:12] <Jymmmmmmm> http://cablesunlimited.resultspage.com/search?w=2NP&x=0&y=0
[21:07:29] <chr0n1c> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124018
chr0n1c: if it reads netmos, then it's probably good to go
damn 70 bones
well, from one retailer, i think it was $40 elsewhere
I dont see mention of linux on that $15 one
Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP/NT4.0, Linux & DOS Operating System
[21:09:40] <Jymmmmmmm> http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?referid=162164&id=2194
newegg has quite a fe choices for linux supported cards
[21:10:06] <Jymmmmmmm> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=wPO&q=koutech+2np&btnG=Search
ty.. i want to add switches and stuff to the machine so i'll hafta buy on eventually
but now.. it's dinner time
have a good evening!
[21:11:32] <Jymmmmmmm> http://aztekcomputers.com/detail.php/part_num/ASI10179
good night all
nite alex, was it you that has that card?
damn lathe has about a gazzilion IO's to setup
wonder if its really worth bothering with stuff like door lock's tho
depends on where the lathe will be used
door locks are a pain
chuck open...thats needed
* Skullworks_PGAB assumes a power drawbar
lots of door locks wired open
eric_u: I guess that all depends if you make machines for selling
if it's for yourself I guess nothing keeps you from ignoring it ,)
lathe will be used in my workshop
Skullworks_PGAB my lathe is power everything
all runs on hyds
feoc: you should probably consider it..
safety stuff is a pretty serious issue if anything happens
doubt anyone else would use it but me tho
the first thing anyone asks if anything happens is did XXABBYZ work as supposed?
though I'm not sure you need a door switch regulation wise..
its got the door switch and door locking ram fitted already
all i gotta do is hook up the io pins to the solid states to control em
and setup emc
* anonimasu nods
would i need to do that via classic ladder or emc itself?
I guess it depends..
would need it to check switch depressed and activate solenoid to extend ram
that requires cl I think
be similar stuff with checking that the chuck brake is off and the c axis lock is retracted
that's a cl job..
damn i should be a CL expert by time im done with the mills tool change and all the hyds on the lathe
I badly want realtime rs232 ;)
so much for starting small and buying a mini mill
tho that wouldnt have helped much i dont think
I've been craving a cnc since I saw my first part being made :)
so much difference working with big machines with all the big relays and hydraulics/pneumatics and servo's
aint gonna get much of that on a lil stepper mill
I love the feeling of being able to machine anything I want..
there is a realtime driver for rs232
I didnt think there was one..
what are you going to use it for?
talking to a real plc..
plc isn't realtime though is it?
iv almost gotten more interested in the machines and the way it all works than machining stuff up
you mean what I can do at the plc?
don't mean to say that there is a hal driver
ultimately I want hal<>plc..
I really would rather have can..
but, rs232 would do fine..
that's much cheaper too
affordable can is a misnomer
not sure why though
I built a rs232<>can with a plc off work a while back..
to debug some stuff..
though rs232 is a tab bit slow for it..
Is classic ladder realtime?
I think so
guess it kinda has to be or it isn't too useful
Feoc : one thing you might want to consider on your ATC setup - Okuma has a manual mode that lets you single step forward/backward thru a toolchange to clear jams etc.
if there were a way to do this in CL then it would be really handy.
just add a variable that stops your "state" from advancing..
then it's all up to you how manu increments you want to use for your toolchange..
thats the easy part - the step backwards is what worries me.
you can keep a secondary set of states..
StateF and StateR
where you reverse the last motion..
and just toggle a variable when you hit the step backwards button..
pretty easy to do also..
Skullworks_PGAB: does that approach seem sane?
sort of - it would need to have pointers at each step for forward and back
I guess it's the only way to do it..
or after a single backstep it would not have the info to do another backstep.
you need a secondary "ladder"
with motion backwards..
it also should require 2 keys - 1 for direction, 1 interlock override
hm, that's a fun piece of code..
its a snap if written in basic...
* anonimasu suddenly hugs irc-61131-3
not sure about CL - have not studied it much
it's a 10 minute piece of code :)
though in cl*ick*
it's more like 10 hours :D
well - its simple
if i ever get enough time I'm going to work on a iec-61131 softplc.
it's like pascal.. but object oriented..
rather "function block" oriented..
very easy to code complex stuff in..
you just have to list EVERY thing that is required to happen in a top down list, then break it into step groups.
then you know where the pointers need to be.
then start appling I/O to each component and figure out those requirements.
most don't need real time - or can get by with really long periods
Skullworks_PGAB: funny that you mentioned that about breaking it down into groups..
unless its a fairly new machine with uberfast ATC...
that's what im working at work my work project..
basic problem solving
reduce each step to its simplest state
that's where you need to start..
specift what you want done and in what order..
I've got so many pressures/pwm/sensors in this..
it dosent get much simplier..
for a swing arm non fixed tool ATC...
step 0 - reset
this isnt a atc ;)
step 1 - rotate magazine to next tool
but feoc is going to have and do his ATC
step 2 - M5, drop pot, M19
he is retrofiting EMC on a Hurco bedmill
it should be sweet when done
nice big machine
yep - like 30 or 40" x axis
* Skullworks_PGAB needs to go hang laundry...
someday... i will own a hurco
and it will be run by emc2/axis... or emc37/axis 42 by then who knows