don't think you can acutally buy it as a Sieg in the states, unless you have it shipped directly from China
for a second i thought you guys were talking about ILLEGAL HALLUCINOGENIC DRUGS
then i remembered skimming quickly is not reading
and rectifed the situation
not that i would be all "oh my god" if you were
* ejholmgren takes the drugs back out of hiding
anyone here on a yahoogroup?
a couple... yahoo groups remind me of the early 90s ;)
is yahoo flooding you with dups?
no, the messages
I am getting about 10 copies of each
not seeing that
turbocnc isn't doing it but cad-cam-dro-mumble mumble seems to be
jepler: i has some success using 'tintfu' dot file editor, but had to run it on an older debian sarge system. it's a java app. this box has Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02) and the same app wont render the same file. http://tintfu.sourceforge.net/
I downloaded tinfu, and it doesn't quite work
in particular, it interprets node [fontsize = 24]; as a node
I guess "doesn't render" is a description of what it did
eric_u: did it allow a new layout, and load that new layout? ( my 'didnt render' was a blank window )
no, it misinterpreted font and node shape commands
it actually rendered it's misinterpretation pretty well
whatever "swap rank is" can fix some problems
what jre are you using? i had good luck with simple files on debian sarge with a sun jre, not on this ubuntu/blackdown jre (swap rank is swap 'row' or hierarchy)
it's later than they support, I don't have any old machines
i saw a note about 'matt' having a version that ran with 1.3 but didnt see if that was a latest-greatest or a back-compatible version.
that's the one I was using
ah, that blows up with java.beans.PropertyVetoException: Illegal state transition in [DotFileParser]: from 'nodeAttrib' to 'expectedEquals' never even get a window on this box
'write once, run anywhere' :)
well, they discovered their language wasn't as pure as they thought it was and decided to make it a lot less useable
there were a batch of java true believers that worked near me that left us with some really nasty maintenance problems
but that's just the engineer in me talking
this command ran with jre-blackdown-1.4.2-02 "java -cp tintfu_x_y_z.jar net.sourceforge.tintfu.DotEditor" and i changed, saved, & reloaded ok
tintfu sems to run with that special invocation, but has no facilities to re-arrange the graph ( ie: untangle or clarify ). I can add elements, change shapes colors, layers... but not what i wanted to do :(
I am trying to draw a self-loop on a finite state machine node, and I'd like to have it not intersect the other edges
there a python interface to dot, i'm looking at now. if you are interested http://dkbza.org/pydot.html
and here's some info on how to make some space between items ( may help your problem ) and ... (really spiffy) how to use custom shapes and icons http://www.karakas-online.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2647
thanks, I could use some pointers
glad i could help.
yer a spankbottom
i have to go back to the original dot pdf's and see what modifiers are available ( why do i always start on these adventures at 11pm ?? )
okay these wiggler edge finders are way scarier then the sprung cylinder edge finders
little thing gonne hit my fixture nut and break into pieces and cut of my head
why are you using a wiggler
cuz i needed to reference off a .125" slot
and the wiggler set has a .1" cylinder tip
im put the .2" edge finder thinger that shit doesnt whip out and try and get me and the fixture
axis is neat, i like reference the part and my gcode all line up with the simulated spindle thing
you can pick the edge up with a dial test indicator
if you have a small gauge block
late hours, eh?
join the club
(I'm still at work!)
some intricate upgrades
so it's a long series of averted crises :-)
oh, one of those "admin works while everybody else is away" things
almost done, I think
don't say that until it IS done
there are some perks - I can turn up the music to whatever volume I want
nobody looks funny at me for drinking beer
I am, however, wearing pants
so what is your preferred late night tunes
thats good to know
right now it's 'Cake'
if ever you are not wearing pants, please don't tell me ;-)
with such lyrics as "with fingernails that shine like justice"
i know my fingernails shine with justice.
I'm more of a classic rock guy myself
(never heard of Cake;-)
I like a huge variety
rebooted today & finally remembered to restart XChat
glad to hear you missed us
remember the thread a week or two ago - some guy was upset because he had to manually power down is machine (with the RT kernel)
what'd I miss? Oh... yea, right
silly windows user - you're not supposed to power it down!
but my power bill =( =( =(
an idling PC doesn't use that much power
the monitor does, but they all power save automatically now
you guys have patched src for the rt kernel?
mine serves my website, runs the compile farm, and is available if I want to log in remotely (besides lurking on this channel so I can read it when I get home)
renesis: apt-get source
will the acpi stuff work with the rt stuff?
it's possible you can turn on some ACPI things and not break RT, but I wouldn't
it would take a lot of experimentation
oh, okies nm then
and you might break compatibility with our releases
I talked a bit with this guy today: http://www.steammachines.com/
my uptime is only 11 days... so sad
yeah i just dropped the livecd emc on my hdd and everything works
i installed some dev stuff to build gcam, all that stuff worked too
an excellent reason not to mess with it :-)
I dereferenced a null pointer in kernel space when I was doing the stepgen changes - wish there was a way to unload a borked module
we worked hard on that!
well, im changing wm
yes, but the packaging of the realtime kernel and emc2 specifically
00:18:30 up 480 days, 23:39
my home server - you can tell when we had the last long power outage
you have ups?
yes it handles the short glitches, but it doesn't last very long
yes it is
03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (hal_stepgen_block_diag.dxf stepgen-block-diag.eps): redrew stepgen block diagram to reflect recent changes (velocity mode, and revised timing params)
nah, it's nothing, I've had 5 years several times between work and home
I think mine was 28 days before - the previous shutdown was to install a UPS ;-)
file server? or printing too?
the home machine is an everything-server
runs a bunch of thin clients and various other things
my household used to be all ltsp
but kids had to have windows :(
man, if you can't fix "no C compiler found in path" ...
you shouldn't be compiling
after days of bombarding a mailing list without searching even once for docs
that's just amazing to me
I'm actually typing this on the allen-bradley industrial pc jmk gave me a few years ago
jmk gives us such cool stuff doesn't he
shouldn't that guy be able to do apt-get install build-dep?
of course, if he had a clue
work throws away such cool stuff
well, knowing about build-dep isn't newbie knowledge
google "ubuntu compile"
or "compile emc2"
and I'm not sure, but I think it will try to fetch stuff from universe
i've got it up to almost 1G of ram, so it runs pretty good. I hope it'll do Feisty in a month or so...
did they switch to jellovision by default yet?
whatever it's called
it's easily installed, but no, not default
mshaver: is that the one with a bajillion slots, and the "mobo" on a card?
jellovision, I like that!
anyway in axis to see elapsed cycle time?
500MHz or so P3, right?
i havenit filled up all the slots yet...
yep, 500/pc/10G, now with about 850MB
p3 i maen
ohh, he actually tried build-dep
he is worthy of help ;-)
* jmkasunich replies
it only took a few days
if it doesn't find lyx-qt, will it give up in a snit, or install everything else?
if the former, I have to splain how to add a repository
if the latter, I can tell him to ignore it
it - apt-get
anyway, got to go take the trash down to the road & then pass out. Been spending my days lately soldering up cnc test stuff (encoders/stg card/servo motors and amps, step motors, etc). I've got HEAD reading an encoder through an STGv1 card, so anyday I should have a whole system up and going to test with.
no lyx on my test pc & no problems
I know - but if the entire "apt-get install build-dep" command failed because of one missing package, then he still won't have the other stuff he needs
I can't remeber if I install build-dep, or did all the dependecies one by one...
so build-dep is a meta package I guess that takes care of all those things...
but lyx-qt isn't in the defult repos?
I don't think so
or maybe its something more obscure than that - latex2html or some such package is needed to build docs, and that isn't in the normal repositories
I should go try it (build-dep), hold on...
I have lyx-qt already installed here
and I don't know how to figure out what repo it was installed _from_
i know I don't!
let me see what happens
jmkasunich: apt-cache show
can't find package build-dep
there's a build-essential
apt-get build-dep emc2
yep, lyx-qt "cannot be found"
he just has to check "universe" in Synaptic though?
repository management with synaptic is something I haven't messed with
so I can't tell him the clicky way
and I'm not in the mood to spell out the editor way
it's the easy way!
mshaver: it's on the 'add' window
I fiddle alot with that to add things like codewaevers wine to my regular desktop
mshaver: can you post a message to that guy telling him how to enable universe?
sure! the guy on devel who said help me to compile? let me look...
I just sent a couple replies
reply is done! GOOD NIGHT!!!
SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
lots of netsplits recently
yeah I've noticed that too
maybe it's raining on the freenodes
how are you skunkworks ?
Good - back is sore from all the moving :)
How are your progects coming?
I would like to have two halui pin to increase or decrease the jog scale...is it possible to implement it?
something like the feed override:
halui.feed-override.increase bit // pin for increasing the FO (+=scale)
halui.feed-override.decrease bit // pin for decreasing the FO (-=scale)
in software everything is possible
skunkworks: I put a new bug in AXIS in the last release 2.1.4 and I need to finish testing the fix
xemet: you can use some HAL things to do that
alex: of course I can, but if there are halui pins it is easier
what theese pins do? halui.jog.0.minus bit
jepler: I never have that problem with my programs... ;)
hmm - the 14ft planer would be nice....
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: revert merge of 1.67: the jog button bugfix caused more serious problems than the original problem
that is a little funny :)
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: note reversion of one item from 2.14; bump version number
dry erase markers #1 for notes on monitor (POWERUP STEPPERS!!!, eheh)
renesis_ bad idea, the clearcoat on crt's likes to absorb stuff like that.
I have some alcohol to fix that..
which eats away at the clearcoat =)
Jymmmm: so, they sell clearcoat on spray?
anonimasu Not that I've ever seen.
Jymmmm: it's not the same kind but wtf..
you know for clearcoating stuff you paint
sigh, I *ALWAYS* forget... whats tha site that has machine center video? dynaSOMETHING?
[19:51:54] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhbBWNcV5dA
anonimasu: friends of yours?
but it's very very nearby
Jymmmm: looks fine
hell is cleaner where the dry erase was, theres dust film every where else
and acrylic clearcoat spray = awesome
[20:42:30] <alex_joni> http://www.google.com/search?&rls=en&q=g-code
alex why you looking up g-code
roltek: I just find it funny that linuxcnc.org is the first hit on the list
only if g-code we are using is correct
roltek: didn't quite get that..
why does emc developers use o-words nobody in machine tool industry does
roltek: what kind of words would we use otherwise?
* alex_joni uses F-words
are o-words used in other industrial controls or do they use macro's and sub program's
well, some controls use their own languages..
jackc is now known as crepincdotcom`
some does subprograms and macros..
rs274d has O words - check your machinery's handbook
O words are used
wtf are you talking about
there is g-code in emc that is not industry standard which is hard for post process
see.. toastydeath used an f-word too
there is plenty of non standard g-code in EMC
roltek: there is no industry standard
o-words are not part of that
toastydeath: I dont think you can get around that..
* alex_joni goes to bed
roltek: as we want that functionality to be there..
roltek: the good news is that you can always change it..
why on earth would you want to remove O-words
see you alex
goodnight chris & jeff & all
roltek: it's kind of bad to omit features you want because they arent in the standard..
roltek: or do you have a better idea?
do you think what the developers are trying to do with emc has not been done before
roltek: o words are WIDELY used in industry
there is no standard except rs274d which DOES have O words
wide, wide, wide useage
bar feeders, especially
nobody wants to re-write bar feed code
do the developers consider them selves as rs274
roltek: hehe, Haas machine controllers wont run code without o-words
kinda kills your statement about industry machines
you can use owords to jump to other files for subroutines, too
the heidenhain controls use O words.. also
hehe, my cnc instructor didnt even know about that
i will look if you use them for the same thing i admit being wrong
i did all his hass mill assignments in like one main file and a few little subroutines files
roltek: so, even if anyone is wrong do you suggest we remove them?
is in there milling machine book
what's your job.
what do you do for a living.
roltek: even though we may follow a standard, emc is a generic controller.. remember that..
whats wrong with owords?
no developer's of emc can do what they like
saying you want to take O-words out of a g-code implementation is like saying you don't need your feet, so cut them off
is there any control that starts tool comp on arc
only if you do everything feet first
i usually walk feet first.
the rest of me is along for the ride!
i'm sure i could hobble around though
youre weak real men walk on their elbows!
roltek: you think we shouldn't do anything if all the other controls don't also do it? I think that's very silly
only after they have had a few
roltek: I think the post incompability is your own problem..
guys, i'm confused as hell here - o words are all over the bloody place
youre machine doesnt like o words?
emc is being VERY industry standard by supporting o-words
roltek: rather your cam program reseller's if you are prepared to pay for them..
roltek: that's a very standard thing.
single arc entry to tool comp is very nice - and nobody requires you use it
i think it's silly that emc developer's think there better than fanuc or haas developer's
what does emc use o words for that snt standard?
uh, both Haas and Fanuc use O-words
roltek: you can always buy a fanuc control..
yeah i dont think a haas will read a file without an oword on top line
there are even g-codes that take o-words as arguements
the haas wont even read a file not named after an oword
they are cheap, I think 11480$ for the control. and 1428 per axis..
both haas and fanuc STORE programs based on O-word
you needed to name your files like O6666
their economy model ;)
that's wright o word's are stored program
yeah, and if you need to call an external program from inside another program
that's how you call a program from file
you better have O-word support
roltek, i think you are high
roltek: If you dont like it feel free to implement a haas interpreter.
or a fanuc..
or heidenhain conversational..
i i don't think most of you can run a real machine tool
i DO run real machine tools
I do that too..
I made 40 parts after lunch..
roltek: dude, i use haas controllers at school, they dont work at all without o-wrds
this is getting sillier
cradek: Mine's bigger then yours ;)
* anonimasu is laughing
anonimasu: you couldn't even handle one as big asmine
okay so what is it emc devs use o-words as?
thats pissing him off?
roltek: stop being a silly bastard.
and why does he needs o-words in his code anyway?
guys i really think roltek is high.
roltek: no offence meant..
pfft i wish i was high
i can't explain this any other way.
hey man i'm not saying it's a bad thing but really, that's the only way to explain this
toastydeath: guys try to keep this on a professional level
roltek == troll || bad english
roltek: why are O words bad?
why does he need to use them even if they are?
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2007-03-29.txt
if you have a real point please get to it.
it never said they were bad i just said industry does not use them
but industry does use them?
roltek: That's a misconception of yours.
the controller example you gave wont run without them?
for calling program's
yeah, our barfeeders need O words
to call the programs it loops
and so do some of our wacky lathes that have an entirely seperate toolchanger program
okay so its in the spec
its in emc
its used in industry
I personally think that stuff like repetition should be done in the program that generates G-code, but kenneth has done a good job making sure that code which doesn't use O-words isn't affected by O-words, so it doesn't stop my existing G0/G1/G2/G3/M2 code from working.
and on occasion I've used O-words when it suited me
jepler: we code all our stuff by hand
hand coders #1
toastydeath: yeah, and more power to you
software code = silly =D
the stuff I use most on the machine at work is repeat..
toastydeath: personally I use O-words rarely and wouldn't mind if they weren't there .. but I'm glad they are there to serve users like you , who find that they're valuable
seriously, like software will make something you could do in a few lines of standard canned cycle like 200K of text
TY FOR YOUR SUPPORT
actually i work with a dude who used to program in APT
and he set the postprocessor up to not use canned cycles at all, and make the program as a long as possible
because the machinists would go in and change stuff
sounds like a worker issue, not a gcode, issue, heheh
his stories make me laugh
yeah, it was
but a clever workaround to the human problem
good solution i guess, tho
be a bitch to hand redo the stuff
yeah, that's why they did it - how the shop was set up, they never wanted a modified program running
it was aerospace stuff
Heh, would be funny that if he included something in there that if it got modified that it would really machine out a message "QUIT MUCKING AROUND WITH THE CODE"
Jymmmm: you can do that on some controls ;)
if aerospace machinists are changing shit, they shouldnt be aerospace machinist
"what is the machine doing, i did not code this"
they nc ops, not programmers
yeah, this was back in the day though
hehe, bored machinists
i imagine they have more stringent employee rules now
I'd hate to just run a machine all day long
or file locks =)
'i just gotta watch it? how will it know when to turn itself up when the deadline is coming'
programming feels more rewarding :)
yeah you could send over read only files pretty easy
running a machine all day does kind of suck
on a lunix system
toastydeath: yeah is hard to do other stuff too
like im supposed to be doing homeworks right now
it's not so bad if the part takes like 20 minutes though
you can read a book or whatever.
but machine is feeding on Al so im always glancing over couple times a min
well this is like 24 hour part
renesis_: neat :)
cuz little mill, deep pockets and slots
that's when I feel a need for a 60krp spindle
I actualyl like watching my creations come to life.
[21:15:48] <renesis_> http://gcam.js.cx/index.php/Manual_Example_2_-_Aluminum_Heatsink_for_Dual_60w_Audio_IC_with_Integrated_Jack_Panel
watching a creation come to life a hundred times over the course of a couple hours
text isnt done, i got most the pics up tho
Jymmmm: I to that also
Jymmmm: but making 100's of parts gets boring
isn't the most thought provoking job
anonimasu true =)
yeah i wanna do some little parts after this
renesis_: how big is your mill?
8ft square bars worth of tslot nuts or something
so the part is 4 setups
I can see why it takes 24 hours :)
getting used to speeds and feeds, too
renesis_ is now known as renesis
* anonimasu nods
hehe, cobalt sucks
i broke 3 in like the first 6 hours or so
i done like 30+ hours, same carbide cutter
HSS works good
same speeds, feeds
though compared to carbide inserts they suck :D
well the deep slots were wearing out the bits
zirconium coatings on carbide
tears through aluminum
how many passes for the slots?
toastydeath: I always found speeds/feeds tricky
anonimasu: .02 cuts, is .6" deep
have to get longer than standard .125" cutters
hehe, the cobalt weekended, was bending like 10-15 degrees last slot
bend, hop/cut, bend, hop/cut
for hours, when it broke i was like 'damn finally'
yeah the chip recutting was wearing it out i think
cobalt is just a different hss alloy
the carbide is still sharp
so it still has all the same problems
yeah hss/cobalt is for woods and plastic, heheh
renesis: if you have compressed air it helps alot..
just to keep chips away
im using baby oil
i wont use air
that dosent help the chips get away..
is in my bedroom, so dont wanna make mess
i don't know if i would use baby oil, but sure.
mineral oil, fragrance
sure it'll cut better with lube but chips are still in the cut..
I usually run by the tooling manufacturer feeds/speeds
mineral oil = first mentioned lube in machine bible
i run it by sound
plus is cheap, and hella hella available
then back of just a bit, or feed harder..
i run out lube at 3a, is all good
usually wind up way way over the mfg specs
10min bikeride and im cutting again
toastydeath: my manufacturer specifies maximum removal rate vs tool wear :p
toastydeath: makes for some scary cuts..
they deliver any cutters overnight by air also.. which is pretty insane
yeah, but unless you've got super detailed charts of what your mfg reccomends for all the different kinds of alloys
well, I have..
it's a pc program called dormer selector..
not my alloy
you have a chart that details all the different speeds for every aluminum alloy and aluminum temper?
a shitload of them atleast..
mines half soda can, half 6061, plus pennies for zinc (heh)
they specify stuff for machining graphite too..
how about low fired ceramic?
let me check..
[21:27:20] <anonimasu> http://www.dormertools.com/
if you click on selector..
i wanna try ceramic stuff, my gf has masters in arts, she runs the kilns at her school
machining ceramics is kind of difficult
even free-machining ceramics
hehe, some of the grad student tried to cast aluminum but they sucked at it
jes i know =\
i was playing with some greenware and im like 'i could machine this'
shes like 'yeah right, how you gonna hold it...'
im like, 'umm.... uuuumm...' heh
they dont have uranium ;)
but they have ceramics..
I'd cut greenware with a PCD insert
held in with pie jaws or a faceplate
at like 2 rpm
with 65 degrees of negative rake
WE CAN DO THIS, GUYS.
prob better to just make stuff to make molds from
excuse to buy delrin, mmm
i figured out what the vibrating noise is
is the leg locks on the conf table i built the enclosure on
* Jymmmm could say something, but won't
Jymmmm is now known as Jymmm
jymmm: i think you and i had the same thought
kep being like wtf why are my leadscrews rattling =O
renesis Be leary of laytex alergies
i use polyurethane condoms
renesis Not the condoms, the vibrators
i dunno no girlie i gave one too complained yet
i dont think they were latex tho, some kind of soft plastic
World's Largest Dildo ---> http://www.passionforpleasure.com/huge_dildos.htm
gotta love the "WARNING" though! lol
that material is bad for you
is not so big theres bigger
the jelly stuff.
* renesis has a prob with biggest ever label
it causes a burning skin reaction in most people
you know, a heads up.
hell double dildos like 3ft sometimes
i don't think duallies reach the same proportions
that this single, monster wang does
but I wouldn't suspect that the whole 36" will be insert
i dunno man 14" dont seem that big
i seen bigger single ones too in insertion vids, heheh
the gay community
is startlingly adaptive
he said "adaptive"! heh heh heh
im just saying, when he said biggest ever, i expected much, much more
to be honest, i did too
it does have like 3" on my circumfrence, tho
like a giant paper miche wang
outside someone's house
that like, danced
maybe they meant "usable" and not just "novelty"
or like at least something a few feet
dude i seen bigger single dildos used
i was like =O =O =O
remember the logger
great, now i've got to go to school
what, machine tools are no doubt used in the machine of dildo molds
thanks guys, for putting all these weird mental images
anonimasu: He did say he was making molds and had vibrations
renesis: acutally they arent'!
i bet sometimews!
BUT NOT VERY OFTEN.
jan___ is now known as JayBeee
like, those perfect rod with rounded ends one look precision
i saw a show on how they got made.
prob an NC lathe made the first
toastydeath You siad aweful athorative on the subject
when you have a bunch of lesbian friends
toastydeath: is usually mold tech
you hear some disturbing things
also gay friends
more disturbing from the gay friends
* anonimasu goes to bed
toastydeath so, howmany have you made, and have you done any prototype testing?
gays are dirty sex ninja
i have not made any =(
Jymmm: i want to
that would be epic
im not kidding either, i live in pr0n capital
goddamnit i have to go to school
theres prob like 20 sex shops in the valley
I wonder if there would be a market if you custom made them..
no san fernando valley
anonimasu: already done
SF aint pr0n cap, hahaha
renesis Ha! Try N. Hollywood
they make custom molds for vaginas and penii
that is the valley foolio
i do not even know
what i do know is that those companies are pretty popular
hehe, n hollywood is SE valley
n hollywood, van nuys, and chatsworth
Sunset Blvd on Sunday Afternoons
heh, thats not pron as much as hookers
sunset goes thru west hollywood tho, thats like gay cap of the world
nah, it's when all the freaks come out on display, prett funny stuff
i know, ive lived in hollywood squatter style
fun place at 3a
I just whish I had a good camera when I lived in SoCal
I do now, but there aint crap up here to photograph.
heh, is funny i dont think much of that stuff is pic worthy
is just normal
Yeah, for SoCal, sure. Par for the course, but to everyone else it's like a carnival freak show. You just gotta love it.
venice beach has the best freaks, anyway =)
yeah see i grew up here
see like, everyplace seems small and rather boring
I used to hang up with a biker club on Hollywood & Las Palma (iirc)
Meant one guy that is the MEANEST lookign dude ever, but is the nocest guy in the world.
i havent been down there in months
havent been anywhere, school got me all stuck in the middle of the valley
no hiking, no hollywood shows, no beach
* renesis getting this 'must flee' urge
I thought the really funny part is there were doctors, lawyers, everyday guys, pimps and drug dealers
in the club
yeah, hollywood club scene
theres like a clubs specific scene, and then the hollywood drunk scene, mixed
like, when drum n bass was at raves, its be junglists and stupid etarded candy ravers
now drum n bass is in clubs
so its junglists, + stupid hollywood drunks
im not sure which is worse
well, this was 12+ years ago too
yeah but the hollywood drunk scene never dies
just the genres it infects
they all go home at 2a, thats why the city is really weird by 3a
they might change the drinking laws to 4a like nyc
we not quite like nyc yet, we still sleep, heh