probably the best choice
the heaviest tool weighs something like 1 kg.. max..
though inertia may be a problem
hm 4kg is what commercial changers state as max.
that's a big tool
nothing I'd have at this mill
I don't forsee using anything that big on my bridgeporr
this machine is much smaller then your bp :)
though I have a 100mm facemill..
that's the biggest
silencer for a tank: http://www.panzerbaer.de/monat/monat_0210.htm
shhhhh, people are sleeping!
Not very stealthy :)
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is that a real picture?
apparenly they do some kind of testing, but the range is near a town, so they muffle the gun to keep the neighbors happy
I can see that
and it's just a coincidence it looks like stylized male genitals
you have a dirty mind
I was out jogging once on an Air Force Base, and they had somebody driving a tank for a test
I swear the gun was tracking me
maybe it was
probably, that had to be a pretty boring job
I used to kid my boss about doing stuff like that in his f-16, but pilots don't like that kind of joke
don't know what's wrong with those Germans, don't they know it's the sound of freedom????
on that topic: http://www.bigbrotherstate.com/
nice video, I like the tie-in to trusted computing
last I heard, on 64 bit vista, you can't even write your own device driver without paying verisign $500 a year
what's that? the sound of freedom again?
freedom isn't free
it costs about $500
Jymmm: time to change your password?
cradek: LOL, not pw, command in the wrong window
[02:24:14] <eric_u> http://bash.org/?244321
-- if you type in your password, we'll just see a string of stars
that is funny
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on a completely different topic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQ8tHyPkovQ
its a really cool short
very cool short
I sure hope they don't cast vin diesel in that role
they are really making a movie of it?
so I am running my wrt54g on a 5 volt wall wart.. and it is supposed to be running on 12
its a great 8 minute short... I don't think its a movie
that's what they say in the comments
anyone ever have any probs running axis in any other wm besides gnome?
problem is VD would feel compelled to say something
renesis: I always use icewm, it works like a charm
i wanted to try blackbox or fluxbox
a long time ago there was a problem reported by a user of fluxbox or ion, but i forget the details
ion is weird
fluxbox is only light looking
any axis authors about?
'The "increment" combobox now works correctly on certain window managers where it did not before (twm, fluxbox)' -- from a really old axis changelog
there's one now!
jepler: neat ty, ill try one
well, when this long as cycle finishes
is pretty neat i can do stuff with the linux computer running the mill and the mill dont hiccup
* jepler assumes bytecolor is busy typing in his question
jepler, wondering about the nf module in axis, did you guys write that?
jepler, I lost my train of thought!
bytecolor: yes, axis is probably the only project where nf.py has appeared, and yes I wrote it
ah, I was trying to recreate your code to open the File dialog
but the rabbit hole went too deep
f = root_window.tk.call("tk_getOpenFile", "-initialdir", open_directory,
nod, it's the types definitions where I found the _()
_("...") is a function which translates the string from english to the user's language, assuming a message catalog is available
hrm, is it required for that tk.call() ?
no -- if you're an american, _(arg) is just a function that returns arg
[02:45:14] <skunkworks> http://bash.org/?5273
sounds like me
ah, so I can just stuff strings in it
bytecolor: probably you should use the python 'tkFileDialog' module to open file dialogs, instead of calling Tk directly like I did
ah, didnt know it existed, still learning Tkinter
I'll grep graysons book for that
axis is a terrible place to learn. I often don't do things the "real" Tkinter way, and 95% of those are for no good reason
hehe, I've been sneaking looks at it :)
it's a nice app
you just like to be contrary?
jepler's a closet tcl programmer
this is one of the correct python ways to prompt for a file: tkFileDialog.askopenfile(initialdir="/etc")
I probaly wouldnt know Tcl from TGI
I do a lot of tcl for my real job, and sometimes I see writing tcl as the fastest way to get something done, even if I'm supposed to be writing in python
jepler: when I see your @ I think someone must be causing trouble
cradek: oops, I forgot I had it
I did some big check-in a few weeks ago and quieted CIA-18
well, sounds like it removes a layer, lets you get down to the metal, so to speak
closer to the metal maybe
bytecolor: I don't do it because I think it makes the program faster or more efficient, but I do it beacuse I think it'll let me write the software more quickly (and I could be wrong about that part)
python or tcl are still a lot of layers away...
it's turtles all the way down
at least one snake :)
I've put together a fairly useful gl widget, and a splitter widget
Tk really isnt that bad
if it wasn't "the devil I know" I don't think I'd use it .. surely one of the other, newer toolkits is better for programming
I wanted to go with wx, but the gl widget just ... sucked
that said I couldn't figure out how to get a python+gtk+opengl window the last time I looked
never tried gtk, although wx uses it on linux, must be the same/similar problem
I've looked at wx a few times and it just didn't click for me
I've got to fugure out cut/copy/past and file dialogs and I'll be good for a while
(in wxpython I was particularly offended that I had to manually assign ID numbers for apparently everything, as shown here: http://wiki.wxpython.org/index.cgi/Getting_Started#head-33e6dc36df2a89db146142e9a97b6e36b956875f)
those are already assigned... um I thought. I read the wx book
I'm too cheap to buy books
besides, books create piles and piles are bad
hehe, has a _large_ pile of books!
have fun with your file dialogs
03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/emc2hal.lyx: document jogwheel velocity mode
wow - just wasted about an hour reading bash.org
it is funny though..
I love the one about the smores
I like the - baried in sand one
apparently you don't want to go to tubgirl.com
I wrote a python script to grab a random quote off bash.org
it was an exercise in caching
anyone ever use jack audio rt?
seems like, long ago i played with it using an smp kernel
anyone know whats up with the live cd? I can't get it to startup in 800x600
ive used jack audio
carbide + baby oil = aluminum crumbs
push it harder?
naw is perfect
tiny mill, crumbs are good
1/4hp spindle, tiny pulley belt
im amazed by this baby oil thing tho
just hook it to thte driveshaft of your car!
cuz i can run out, and like get more at 3am, for maybe $3
i wish i knew what 'fragrance' was, tho
okies i officially like emc
Great, not many of us are brave enough to admit to it :D
Anyone used MyNC? (http://mync.sourceforge.net)
I cannot figure out if its an cam or if its a motion controller or both...
slundell: the author is sometimes here, but I forget his name
looks like cad and machine controller rolled into one
slundell: motion controller for edm mainly I think
his irc name is erdiz iirc
i have a noob question- i have no para or serial port, is there a usb 3-4 axis controller , that would be ease to configure under emc
if you have pci slots you can easily add a parallel port (or other interface card)
if not, you need a different computer
is there a pcmci solution
all of emc's supported hardware is parallel port, PCI or ISA
thats not good, i wanted to make a portable demonstration set
lots of laptops have parallel ports
you can demo the software without hooking it to any hardware of course
thats the point, i have to hook up hardware, otherwise the impression would be weak (have to hunt 4 laptop now)
thanx for help, bye
cradek: really - a pcmcia card will not work for a printer port?
probably not right away
even when a pcmcia card is a standard device, it doesn't appear at the standard address without OS intervention
you'd have to either disable the port exclusive access checks in hal_parport and use the linux kernel driver to enable the pcmcia card, or write something like probe_parport that knows about pcmcia
jepler: did you get to look at lefty? ( lefty is a .dot file editor in the graphviz bundle )
tomp: nope, not yet
jepler: if you do, lemme know. i never got it to open the 2 window panes it says it has, and many menu/mouse events dont seem to produce any result.
hmm, i checked with xev to see that the app could get valid X mouse events, thats fine. and tried 'lneato' editor which did same thing. ( like 'el neato' but that uses lefty so same result )
hi michael :-P
bah, cars. Hateful things
anonimasu, you are a petrolhead, what is it with OBD2 interfaces .. I bought one for our Volvo and finding software that actually works seems painful
played with OBD2 much??
OBD2 to a PC ?
cradek: welcome back - raining there?
not this second, but it's pretty wet
there are very few OBDII software available for free
robin_sz: what interface do you have?
elm323, thats iso
depending on what you want to get from it, you can just use a serial terminal
Hmmmm... I think there is a "beta" windows package that should work with it... also a free PalmOS one
it does 'waiting for ecu timeout' ok
I also use 'obdgauge' (I think) for palm
then 'bus init error' when i askit to read codes
yep, ODBgauge is what I use too
this was scantool.net
robin_sz: what vehicle and ear?
volvo v70, '98
ODBgauge has problems pulling codes for me :/
have you checked to see if they could be using CAN?
or "the school bus" as we call it
that's another ISO spec
on my volkswagen I have to plug it in a few times before it starts communicating - after it's working it's fine
ds3: when you say "have you checked if its using CAN" ... how would I go about this checking?
buy a service manual off ebay
robin_sz: no, not really
robin_sz: buy a commercial OBD2 tool..
robin_sz: I never had to mess with it
cradek: there's a paralell port pcmcia card..
quatech makes them..
but they are expensive.
09:55:53 <jepler> even when a pcmcia card is a standard device, it doesn't appear at the standard address without OS intervention
09:56:34 <jepler> you'd have to either disable the port exclusive access checks in hal_parport and use the linux kernel driver to enable the pcmcia card, or write something
like probe_parport that knows about pcmcia
I also found a pcmcia parport card when I looked but I think you'll run into troubles ^^^
I wouldn't suggest to a noob user (as nuhulohe identified himself) to try that
anonimasu, I considered that, but ... I was worried that if it didn't work, well I was stuck with a brick. at least with an interface and some softawre, its just a question of getting the right software
robin_sz: if you want to rule out software, just use a serial terminal
robin_sz: you type strings (like "01 00"), it prints strings (like "81 00")
yeah you can run the thing that way
is there some dictionary of what to type?
it's a raw obd data stream
I think 01 00 is "hey! you!"
81 00: "yeah what?"
cradek: u serious?
err the response is 41 00 xx xx xx xx
01 00 is "tell me which mode 1 PIDs you support"
jepler: I use it to program plc's at work..
* alex_joni wonders if it's plausible to have 2 CDs generate the same MD5SUM
if they're the same
no, I meant different ones
it's called a collision
but if you can do it consistantly, you will be richer than Bill Gates =)
and if you can do it with something useful, you will OWN THE WORLD
* alex_joni has a plan
A MAN, A PLAN, A CANAL
a toastydeath, a keyboard, a caps lock
robin_sz: a useful find: http://www.elmelectronics.com/DSheets/ELM323DS.pdf
good night guys
cradek: ooh uck -- I remember that rs232 level-translator-on-the-cheap from page 18
I don't remember if we built one of those
um, and if so, I don't remember if it worked
is that the one I couldn't get to work on my subaru?
I bet so
you gave it to me, I didn't try to fix it, and then I lost it
but now I have a newer model that reads all three standards
I think there was some question about what standard my car had
it's nice there are three, it would be confusing if there was only one standard
robin_sz probably doesn't have to deal with that so much in europe - it's the american manufacturers that use the other two
(unless europeans import a lot of fords)
gah! got smp working but now the network doesn't work
What color is the stuff from leaky caps? kinda beige? and do leaky caps buldge out a bit?
thank you =)
yiewuuu leaky caps
wanna hear my leaky caps story?
ahh, you do really :)
we bought some caps, and by some I mean a few tens of thousand ... and, they were problematic. failures in service .. infact when we examined them, they were leaking dielectric oil ... some boxes were so bad you could see oily patches developing
so .. we called the rep in ... but instead of apologising for supplying crap product, he argued and evaded, and tried to wiggle out and argued some more ...
[21:35:22] <jepler> http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/PG2C/Images/leakycap-4.JPG
robin_sz: I can't say I'm surprised
* jepler drives home
well .. to the gas station first
jepler fill mine up too while you're there.
Simon, who is occasionally a bit of fun, got bored with the reps arguments and while he wasnt looking ... hung his laptop on the powder coating conveyor .. and so it started its slow, but sure, journey towards the ovens ... he argued more... we just smiled and watched it passing behind him and off ...
we did tell him before it went in, but he had to scramble over a pile of scrap metal and powder coating mess to get to it in time .. in his nice suit .. we laughed at him ;)
ahh, fun times :)
jepler Yep, that be why I asked... gotta toss out a mobo (and the ONE that I really wanted to keep too)
whats that hyperterm like tjing ... not minicom, something else ...
BUS INIT: ...ERROR
bliomey ... these modern machines are FAST ... the Trumpf 3050 has a G0 speed of ...
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