ok, thank you very much :)
I'm working on the belt/disc sander I got from HF yesterday. when I place a steel rule across the disc, I can see the outside is higher than the inside. I've been trying to sand down the high spots to get it flat, but it seems that nothing is happening at all, but I KNOW it's removing material (60grit, 320grit, and even a file). Even if the platen is warped, shouldn't I still be able to flaten it?
jmkasunich who makes american sanders?
jmkasunich then how in the hell do you have american tools? 1886?
There is flat... then there is flat in a perpendicular plane to the rotational axis
skullworks-PGAB that dind't answer my question (did it?)
A good surface plae would make things easier
skullworks-PGAB again, that dind't answer my question (did it?)
not sure what to tell you about doing it by hand
sander on, and pushing a file againes tthe front of it.
againest the face that is
Jymmmm: find somebody with a lathe and have them face it
it can be done - but thats more art skill than science
jmkasunich whats your address I can ship it to
whats the dia?
whats the material? alum?
You guess do understand what I'm doing, right? yes aluminum
there is a table with a miter slot, right?
I'm sandgint eh metal disc, instead the the disc sanding material
I'm working on the belt/disc sander I got from HF yesterday. when I place a steel rule across the disc, I can see the outside is higher than the inside. I've been trying to sand down the high spots to get it flat, but it seems that nothing is happening at all, but I KNOW it's removing material (60grit, 320grit). Even if the platen is warped, shouldn't I still be able to flaten it?
Jymmmm: you are trying to do lathe work, but you are using abraisve instead of a lathe tool
[00:24:08] <Jymmmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93981
Jymmmm: it takes a HELL of a lot of sanding to remove 0.005 from a large area
jmkasunich but I should be able to reduce the high spots with sandpaper
it's spinning 1780 RPM
if you have something very solid backing the paper
if it is what you described, the "high spots" are the entire circumference of the disk
what, puching a file againest the front isn't abrasive enough?
no, its not
jmkasunich no, just the outside is high.
the entire outside, thought, not just one spot per revolution
jmkasunich Yes, and it's spinning 1780 RPM, I should be able to reduce the whole outter edge. I should in the hell can in the middle with 320 sandpaper
I can that is
is it wobbly (one spot high, turn it 180 degrees and then its low), or is it just cupped (high all they way around the outside)
stop and think for a minute
I put a straight edge againes the face (centerd), turne d90 deg, and still "bowed"
when you file on something, you drag many file teeth over a single spot on the part
each tooth can take a chip, then move clear and the chip falls out
same with sanding - many grains of abrasive move over a single spot, each takes a chip, then the chips have a change to fall clear
I was able to remove all the original ridges using 60 grit sandpaper
you are holding a single file tooth or grain of paper in one place and running metal constantly past it
it can't cut efficiently
no, running back and forth
running back and forth a few times a second
ok, I dont have access to a lathe, so any other siggestions?
wheel is spinning 30 times a second, so you are dragging 18" (6" times pi) of aluminum past the grit
I already asked you, does it have a miter gage slot?
[00:30:19] <Jymmmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93981
there's a pic of it
yes or no would have been easier
so, it has a miter gage
what's a miter gage?
alex_joni the thing on your wrist
the thing that slides in a slot and is used to hold a workpiece perpendicular (or at an angle) to the sanding wheel
* alex_joni goes to bed
good night all
alex_joni sorry, thought you were being funny.
jmkasunich ok, what were you thinking?
is the slot parallel to the wheel?
Jymmmm: no biggie
should be, but the wheel should be flat too, so....
jmkasunich: I square it up best I could.
I don't think you can adjust the slot parallelism to the wheel
It's just a rod
judging from that pic I think you can (using some force)
anywho... what was your idea?
it seems only connected to the left side (where you can also tilt it)
wtf Jymmmm, are we even in the same universe?
where are you getting "rod" from?
jmkasunich : I have to leave to work soon. You were asking about the parallel of the miter slot for a reason, I'm asking what that reason is?
use the miter gage as a lathe tool?
trying to figure out how to improvise a way to turn the faceplate flat
did alex and I mess up jogging?
cradek: only a bit
cradek: for jogwheels
use the miter gage as the "cross-slide" of a lathe, yes
jmkasunich using the miter slot to hold a lathe tool?
so it's your fault :D
the tool part needs to be attached to the miter gage or somethign that slides in the slot
jmkasunich it's forged al and pretty sloppy
take it out and pop it in a lathe
face it off, then remount
slop of the gage's bar in the slot doesn't much matter, since you can press it against one side of the slot (preload)
best to put an indicator on the miter gage first, see what you learn from that
ds3: 1) he doesn't have a lathe, and 2) the shaft to disk attachment is probably such that if you don't do it in place, it will have runout when you put it back on
oh that situation
Jymmmm: how are you standing it? sandpaper on a LARGE block?
thing is, I don't know what he does have - in terms of tools, etc
3) the head of the setscrew striped out that holds the dosc to the shaft
even the really nice old delta american made sanders like that were a bear to work on
jmkasunich basic hand tools, no cutters to speak of.
is the disk made out of an identifiable metal?
how thick is the wheel>
I have a 4" hand grinder
are we turning thin sheet into even thinner? or is there some meat to it?
my thought is that stress relief could turn this thing into a pringle
its already a saucer
with webbing on the back to reinforce it
4" hand grinder eh....
saucer far preferable to pringle
maybe there is internal casting stress? as you take material off, it warps more to relief the stress?
so far I don't think he's managed to get much material off
Jymmmm: do you own a dial indicator?
i still promote my idea of using adhesive backed sandpaper on a surface plate =(
or even on a sheet of glass
then you have to take it off, he probably can't
ok, figure out how to attack the dial indicator to the miter gage, and slide the gage back and forth to measure the amount of cupping
make sure you press the gage against one side of the slot to take up the slop
sounds doomed :)
if its 0.000 in the middle, 0.015 on one end, and 0.005 on the other, that means
that the slot is out of parallel by 0.010, and the disk is cupped by 0.010 too
or its not cupped evenly, like a pringle
to be sure, mark a spot on the wheel near the edge, measure at that spot, then turn the wheel 180 and measure at the mark again (other end of the slot()
the marked spot and 180 rotate cancels out the pringle effect, and tells him if the miter gage slot is parallel
once he knows if its parallel, he can slowly rotate the wheel and see if its a pringle or just a saucer
he's being very quiet
he can spin it at 3 miter gage locations to find out the pringle-tudedness
Ok, is there a good brand of sanders I can look at?
GD&T lab with import tools ;)
on the smaller side
you probably can't afford a good one
I suspect its going to involve some cheese flavouring and salr
there are good, and there are cheap, and there are cheap that can be made (reasonably) good with some work
the home depot ones by delta might be a bit better
Makita are good
not expensive either
Makita doesn't make something like this, do they?
no, stationary belt/disk sander
wow that site is slow
still waiting ...
I thought you had a lathe?
his sander is the lathe :)
we used to call the sander "the poor man's milling machine"
don't think it works so good as a lathe
ok, any company name of quality bench sanders?
as in QUALITY with a capital $$$?
(usually grinders though)
Jymmmm: anything less than $300 or so will probably have about the same amount of suck
Yes, I know.
I suspect grizzley and jet are significantly better
you have a 4" angle grinder.... you have a dial indicator
you have (I think) a brain
at least you could whine until you get good parts
you can measure the extent of the badness
if its a pringle, thats a problem
if its a saucer, but the cup amount is 1/4 of the plate thickness or more, thats a problem
I would hav thought a $300 old lathe would have been a better bet? no?
Yeah I understand
if the cum amount is only 0.015, and the disk is 0.100 thick, then you can fix it
scum cup huh?
I guess a lathe take sup more room, lots of weight etc
a lathe isn't a very good sander
those mini-lathes at harbor freight aren't supposed to be that bad
always an option to laminate a sheet of 0.125 alum. on it
you can put a drum in a lathe and sand a lot of things
would wood be too weak ?
Jymmm: can you visualise holding the angle grinder so that the disk is almost parallel to the sander disk, with the lower edge of the grinder disk touching the sander disk, and the upper edge 1/8" away from the sander disk?
face plate would be a heck of a lot better than what he has
unter_e: I would differ.... my headstock was skewed, the tail stock is still too high, the lathe bed is uneven in thickness (so a cam clamp doesn't work very well).....
jmkasunich Yeah, just trying to figure out have to hold it steady and not gouge the sanding disc
I guess people just like them cause they are cheap then
Jymmmm: sanding disk should be spinning
jmkasunich oh you mean the grinder unpowered
no, grinder spinning too
jmkasunich: would wood be too weak for holding the sandpaper? (thinking about glueing a piece of wood on the disk, and grind that till it's flat, then use that as the regular base for grindpaper)
jmkasunich Yeah, I still have to hold it steady.
alex_joni: getting the wood flat is only a little easier than getting the aluminum flat
ok, back in 90 - off to work.
Jymmmm: with the sander spinning, you won't be able to remove material very fast (faster than holding stationary sandpaper against the disk, but still not so fast that you have to worry about wrecking it
jmkasunich If I can clamp the angle grinder somehow sure, but this thing can eat 1/2" steel plate in the blink of an eye.
ok, back in 90
that's some grinder
* jmkasunich gives up
could be better for (what's left of) your sanity
if you have money, you can buy nice tools
if you have ingeniuity, you can buy cheap tools and rework them to be nice
then there's eBay
great work on the latest release.. thank you.
got my lathe up and running again.
what kind of lathe is it?
schaublin 102, cnc-retrofix
[02:08:16] <a-l-p-h-a> http://lloydleung.com/gallery3
[02:08:33] <a-l-p-h-a> http://lloydleung.com/gallery3/Lathe_Related/
it would be cool to put a hardinge turret
on a lathe cnc retrofit
jmkasunich, I just remembeed I have a dremel as well.
with a couple of grinding wheels (iirc)
jymmm, too small for real work, I bet
your angle grinder can't be that fast - just use it carefully, with a light touch
lol, yeah right... 15K
steady your hand on the work rest
SWPadnos, what work reat?! lol
I'd rahter fab a fixture
15k RPM, but you don't have to press that hard
or that far
SWPadnos, you are expecting my hand to me THAT steady =)
well, not every day ... :)
SWPadnos, Hey, when you coming out?
you seem like a guy who needs some Prime Rib
SWPadnos, LOL GMTA
Got My T&A?
what DAY is that?
Saturday, two weeks from yesterday
I get in at about * PM
no, 8 PM
what the hell wast that?
I dun know.
SWPadnos, I work Sat - Wed 1900-0300
ok. Thursday it is :)
that's my last night in town anyway - might as well get a good meal before the return flights
uh... check the kind of wheels you have... the cheap AlOxide ones are not for grinding aluminum
ds3, whtever the kit came with.
SWPadnos, ok, what DATE is that? I'll write a reminder
Saturday, 3/31/2007, 7:53 PM
unless you're talking about Thursday
SWPadnos, no,no, I mean prime rib
which is Thursday, April 5, 2007
jymmm: I think those are AlOxide wheels they are suppose to be capable of expoding if their pores get clogged (i.e. from griding aluminum)
a sanding disk would be better - even if it was just rubber backed
I have some snading drums for the dremel
some sanding discs too 3/4" diameter
ok, new gcam release is being polished
I have motor mounts fiured out for my steppers :)
for grinding any nonferrous material you use silicon carbide
the green wheels
mdf and #10-24 hardware :(
ejholmgren, as long as you dont try to use the EDGE of MDF, you'll be fine.
ds3, Cool, explosions! lol
I got green I think
03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (command.c control.c mot_priv.h motion.c motion.h): one more round on keyboard jog / handwheel jog / homing interlocking
good wook, thanks
* skullworks-PGAB needs his glasses cleaned.
good morning alex, you seem to be in a good mood today
but I'm Anders :D
anonimasu: Sorry, I must be getting dislexic ,,, bonk
anonimasu: spent the weekend redoing my plasma control config
I'm waiting for somone to show up with drawings so i can make the parts i need to cut today
anonimasu: trying to make it human readable :P
anonimasu: Did you order a THC the other day ?
i'll do it soon :)
09:47 < anonimasu> 06:12 -!- Tom_L [n=Tl@ip68-103-193-191.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit 
Your item left the United States from LOS ANGELES AMC at 2:06 PM on March 15, 2007.
that was what I were going to post..
anonimasu: You going with Rutex or ?
2 more geckos comming :)
anonimasu: When I saw their site I kinda wished I had ordered from them :D
but that's non plama thc's right?
anonimasu: They also have plasma
then once I convert my mill(Z axis) to servo, I'll have drives for the lathe :)
with a thc having the plate level isnt as important :)
it's hard setting a 2m plate perfectly level..
anonimasu: yup, it's the thin stuff that's problematic
this stuff is 20mm > 40mm..
a few degrees in the centre makes for a big diff in the end..
anonimasu: and even if you get it level warping can still mess with your height
I hooked up the cutting gas to emc also :)
so it does the preheat and stuff automagically now
anonimasu: ahh nice
now all that's left is re-ignition..
anonimasu: hmm hook up a HF starter unit from a master blower and you can auto-ignite the gas aswell :D
I just need a subroutine in my program to re-ignite on each part-start..
anonimasu: I't should be easy in HAL/Classicladder
a conditional one.. so I can toggle the "skip lines with /"
I'm using a real plc via the serial port :)
brb afk for a couple of minutes
I guess I could pause and run a mdi command and go to the line it dies on..
though it's kind of overkill..
morning alex (again) :)
09:47 < Dallur> good morning alex, you seem to be in a good mood today
09:48 < anonimasu> alex?
09:48 < anonimasu> but I'm Anders :D
yeah, I saw that
anonimasu: morning Alex !
alex_joni: hows the swedish lessons comming? :o)
[10:43:24] <xemet> http://www.albaria.com/mondellowebcam.htm
uhm...maybe I should go to the beach instead of studying
it's snowing outside :)
damn you #2 as it is a good 1200 miles to the nearest coast...
* skullworks-PGAB used to play hookie in college and go to the beach when he Lived in Los Angeles
now where have I seen that question before? :)
I wonder ;)
[13:10:34] <SWPadnos> http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack
hey rayh, let me know when you show up
good morning cncjunior
jepler: hello, again
I'm here SWPadnos
but I may show up as a bit hazy.
SWPadnos: re the PC shutdown with ACPI disabled
I think it's a single instruction that does the actual halt
and it could be hacked to work even without ACPI
but then again, there are so many bogus motherboards & BIOS'es out there
halt is easy, shutdown a little less so
that I don't plan to even suggest it
rayh, now I can't remember why I was asking for you :)
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/lib/python/rs274/author.py: merge rev 1.4: support spindle speed specification
SWPadnos: it was a plot.. ray asked me to distract you :P
I've had at least a dozen brain farts already this am.
new release 1h46m20s darn I hate dialup in the mega release age.
rayh: and we'll probably have to make another one real soon :(
yeah you might want to skip it and jump right to testing cvs v2_1_branch
I was thinking I wanted to run some tests on the release. Maybe that's what I get for thinking.
Glad they added a cancel button on that widget.
was that 1:46 download time other stuff than just emc? I thought the package would take around 15 minutes to download on a dial-up modem
You must not be thinking of a youpper dialup.
It's two soup cans and a long string.
the taughter a string the higher its bandwidth. is your string loose?
Yep. I use that "steel" fishing line.
2k on a really good day and 600 on a not so good day.
With long dead spaces when they start the computer labs at one of the schools.
I like that apt resumes failed downloads
bacl later guys.
i want to use motion adaptive control in a range greater than 100% . where to change for this ?
you'd have to change the source to allow that - adaptive feed only slows down currently
anyone knows if alex and jmkasunich had found the problem with jogwheels?
yes I think so, last night
cradek : i understand this but i need to override faster . which file is the source for this ?
but it still needs more testing I think - it won't be ready right away
xemet: you could downgrade if you need your jogwheel to work right...
cradek: no, it was just for know if effectively there was a problem or was only a problem of mine
xemet: it's a bug, it's not you
cradek: ok at least I can sto trying to change numbers in all configuration files :)
yeah don't do that!
you can easily downgrade with apt-get install emc2=1:2.1.2
it worked *before* the 2.1.2
is 2.1.3 still bad?
tried yesterday...you can read the archive, we have talked a lot yesterday about that
cncjunior: I think that code is in src/emc/motion but I don't remember the details - you'll have to study it a bit
cradek : thank you. i am serching for an optimum for spindle speed and feed.
if it doesn't need to be realtime you can use halui's feed override (which works just like the slider on the screen)
adaptive feed is meant for EDM where you slow down according to the gap voltage
cncjunior: there is a slider in AXIS to override up to 120%
you set the top feed override value in the ini file, some configs have 1.2, but you can use any number
xemet: yes but with the slider i work slow,
cncjunior: I don't remember - did you ever say what you're doing?
cradek : yes, i have a motion adaptive cnc project,
what external thing controls the feed?
cradek : linux + rtai + emc is a very good platform for this research.
cradek : i will cotrol the feed using two pins from parport
cncjunior: it seems interesting!
cradek : thank you, yes, the adaptive feed is in the /src/emc/motion/motion.c
cradek : i will change the source and recompile all with make. it's ok ?
a-l-p-h-a: ball valve?
I always ask in the wrong chan.
skunkworks, does my other idea work?
so do I ;)
so it's like a T, with the base for flow.
cncjunior: of course you may change the source of emc -- it's Free software.
jepler: i am not an expert in linux and c. i hope that after recompile it will work
cradek, I have a aquarium water pump, that's like some silly amount of GPM. I need it to flow slower, not faster. :) The oil soluable coolant is spraying everywhere.
can you cycle it on and off?
yeah, I could... but wouldn't that hurt the pump?
I don't know
cncjunior: look for this comment in emc/motion/control.c: /* read and clamp (0.0 to 1.0) adaptive feed HAL pin */
jepler : ok.
cncjunior: I've changed my sourcecode and recompiled it. If I did succeed in doing this (yeah...with a lot of help here) you can be sure you can do it. Because I'm not a C espert or developer etc...
xemet: thank you for encourage me.
cncjunior: if it doesn't work, you can just ask or you can return to the previous state...
cncjunior: it will work
xemet: i am working on it right now.
cncjunior: if it doesn't work, remember: ask always to jepler :) he *knows*.
jepler: ok, thank you again.
jepler: in /*read and clamp (0.0 to 1.0) .../ section i changed 1.0 to 1.5. i hope that it will work.
ask the #emc channel .. xemet may think I'm the smartest, but he's wrong.
jepler : i found also in motion.c something about adaptive control. i changed the values also in that file.
jepler: I don't think so, only I've found you there often than others. But I'm sure everyone here helps
cncjunior: all I see in motion.c is the default set to 1.0, which you don't want to change
cradek : i will put back the initial value...sorry
friend of mine ask: to update emc2 offline (his PC is not connected to internet) what is the best way?
at the bottom
never installed from .deb ...how to do that? just click on it?
I think that works
xemet, unless you're on a RH distro, instead of a debian distro.
I just added this text:
.deb files can be installed or upgraded from the commandline:
$ sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
depending on your system, double-clicking them in the file browser may also install or upgrade the package.
I don't actually know about double-clicking because I'm a commandline user who refuses to change
yeah...I'm a clicking user who tries to learn commandline... :)
xemet: seems it was a bug you discovered in 2.1.3 (a different one than the one from 2.1.2)
alex: yes cradek told me
re adaptive feedrate: does emc begin with adaptive feedrate multiplier at 100% and then reduce?
isnt the % override just proportional to pin value?
if the state of the pin began at half of it's float range, this would appear as 50% and alllow up and down ranging without code changes.
beginning at 50% of the pin's range would act 'like' 0 to 200%. beginning at 66% value to act 'like' 0 to 150% override ( 2 parts of 3 )
AF can range from 0.0 to 1.0, and is multiplied by FO and afeedrate to get a "target feed rate"
I think it's only used if some M code turns it on
(or a G code)
mango juice + sprite.... yummmmmmmmmm.
yes , if a sensor value out was 0 to 10 V, scaled to 0 to 1 v, but the initial state was .5 v, then it could range up and down. what .5V means can be set externally in the control hardware, leaving the control software alone. (acts like an offset )
tomp, yes, but all the programmed feedrates would be cut in half
you'd get 100 IPM when you program 200 IPM
yes lowers resolution
and yes, you 'lie' about the F
but requires no code
if there's a FO input (HAL input), then you could multiply that by 2 to compensate
but I don't think there is
well, sort of
there's no limit on FO, other than machine accel/vel limits
but I think that's an NML/UI down to motion thing, not an input pin
F0? is that same as MAX_VELOCITY ?
sorry - FO = feed override
like the sliders in the GUIs
ok, not F' but override, k
also cncjunior is wanting 2 overrides, if he wants to control feed and speed vs feed or speed
jmkasunich; you there?
does anyone have skencil installed on dapper? I'd like to try out jepler's gcode plugin on something
SWPadnos: a quick hack would be to set the adaptive feed override at 50%, and allow for up/down control, then set the GUI feed override (either from the GUI or using halui) to 200%
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: logging was deprecated long ago. use Halscope instead.
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) realtime (2.6.12-magma) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot2_log.txt
alex_joni: what did you do? ;)
fscked it :)
I'll fix in it a second
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/po/Submakefile: emclog was removed, beeing long deprecated. Use Halscope instead
I have to hook up internet access at the new house. The only game in town is cable.
I have cable at home.. works pretty ok
should be getting 4 Mbit soon (they just upgraded the service)
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) non-realtime (2.6.12-10-386) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot1_log.txt
* alex_joni waits on the new builds
03compile-farm 07BDI-4.51 (220.127.116.11-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot6_log.txt
it will be a bit more expensive than I have now.
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (dapper) realtime (2.6.15-magma) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot7_log.txt
I will probably go with the 1mbit down and 256 up
* alex_joni blushes
the LTS nonrealtime didn't barf yet
Good thing jmkasunich isn't home - he would be pissed ;)
skunkworks_: how so?
those things happen on each commit anyways
even if it doesn't fail..
rebuilding slows his computer down.
* skunkworks_ is just giving alex_joni crap
skunkworks_: thanks, but I seem to manage myself just fine
:) weren't you taking a trip again - or are you back?
skunkworks_: didnt' make it, something came up
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) non-realtime (2.6.12-10-386) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) realtime (2.6.12-magma) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
woo hoo :)
yeah, one more to go
03compile-farm 07BDI-4.51 (18.104.22.168-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (dapper) realtime (2.6.15-magma) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc: doc fixes - there are new pins for analog jogging
wedsday at 3:30 for cable hook up. Excited. ;)
a friend of mine says he misses steps when going to low speeds, any advice? what should he change in the ini?
xemet: sounds like a motor problem to me
that sounds like a hardware problem, not configuration
xemet: what kind of drives does your friend have?
when 3 people say HW not Sw.. then it's most likely it's a HW issue :P
sorry...I don't know nothing about its hardware...I've read about this problem today in the forum
the only strange thing is that he says that at same speeds using kcam the motors run ok
xemet: it might be a strange timing his drives need
* anonimasu nods
other than spurious direction reversals, I can't think of any reason why low speed operation would cause problems when higher speeds don't
SWPadnos: sounds like a resonance issue
I think there's not enough information to make any helpful suggestion
he says he has problems at low speed and high speed...no problem at medium speed
except "troubleshoot some more"
haigh speed I think it is normal
all drivers have a limit...
hm, adequately sized motors shouldnt have a problem..
he should verify that the step waveform timings match what his drive expects. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TweakingSoftwareStepGeneration
anyway...you're right, not enough informations
yeah, and post what drives/ahrdware he's using
the sofrware should be configured to not exceed the limit of the drivers, so there shouldn't be ny problems at high speed either
good advice jepler
rmmmber the sffrwssffware
how nicely does the lathe support work?
I think it's great
the support is terrible
(I have no lathe though)
SWPadnos: yes, he configured it but again...with kcam it is ok and with EMC2 not...
lathe works great
alex_joni: well, nice!
anonimasu: but there's no-one that comes to your place to install it
alex_joni: I've got a spare driver around soon :)
alex_joni: aw crap
like I said... terrible
I were expecting you/lh/jmk to come and set it up
nah, cradek can do that
* lerneaen_hydra pops in
but you can't afford him :P
I don't know nothin' about lathes
anonimasu; lathe support is very nice
I'm just kidding
I have a big wooden support for a lathe
no lathe though
he is using this http://www.parsicitalia.it/ashop/ItemDetail.asp?IDItem=337&IDCategory=149&
but no informations at all in the website :(
you'll want cam though if you're as lazy as I am
I'm starting to crave a bit after a lathe
* anonimasu nods
what software are you using?
xemet: I hope he has the L297 set for half step mode
* alex_joni goes back at typing fIcrapfR
cradek: I don't know...is it important? I will ask...
yes very important
anonimasu; I'm using edgecam for cam stuff, very nice app
lerneaen_hydra: got any price?
I've used edgecm too...very nice!
I think expensive...
anonimasu; I get it off my school so I'm not sure, though quite expensive IIRC
expensive is over 4keur..
IIRC it's somewhere in that range (probably not a power of ten away from there=
l297 is pretty forgiving for step waveform compared to some of the others
yes it is, I use all the default timings with mine
but if it's set for full or wave stepping it's going to suck
2 coils on?
2 coils normally 2-2-2-2
have you ever seen this: http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=3522234692952701573&q=ferrari+scale
or this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeUMDY01uUA
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/man/man1/halui.1: docs fixes (pins weren't documented)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc: fixing some erroneous comments
my firefox 22.214.171.124 had it's refresh hijacked. when i edited html and wanted the new version to be loaded without cache influence, i use ^AltShift click on reload. that lead me to a site instead !
i found the bugger in ~/.mozilla/firefox/6s29wplz.default/hostperm.1 which had 3 sites allowed... file.com p.moreover.com searchmachines.com ... kill these buggers!
tomp: "hostperm.1" is a normal file in a mozilla installation which lists sites you have given special cookie-handling instructions about. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Cookies
"Holds preferences about which sites you allow or prohibit to set cookies, to display images, to open popup windows and to initiate extensions installation."
jepler: i used firefox's cookie manager to block those 3 sites, it didnt help, the technique is not a cookie trick
I can't say I've heard of this problem you describe
do you have autoupdates enabled?
I get firefox updates through the ubuntu update manager
hmm, good thought, there's an update allower in firefox for extensions and plugins... may need to insure those are choked off
they update automatically
good night all
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/seticon.c: get rid of pre-python2.4 compatability code
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/minigl.c: get rid of '#if 0' code
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/_toglmodule.c: get rid of pre-python2.4 compatability code
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc:
* get the emc version from config.h at compile time
* get rid of pre-python2.4 compat stuff
* get rid of emc1 compat stuff
* use a pointer to inifile so that its constructor and destructor get called
* assume opengl is always available (configure enforces this)
lordy there is ANOTHER cia?
what the hell.
how many of these bots do i have to put on my ignore list
IT IS ONLY SO LARGE
you could try blocking CIA-*
hopefully that works
see you xemet
CIA is usually pretty quiet - it's only triggered by CVS commits or build failures
what's the min. I have to install to build EMC in the non simulator mode? (build only, do not need to run.)
dunno. I'm sure it's in one of the debian control files though
time to update ALL the copyrights on each and every file ;)
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc: add EMC_TASK_EXEC enum so that emctop can show it
gives package lists for several flavors of ubuntu and debian
if you're using ubuntu dapper you can use the pre-built packages too, add deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/
to your sources list and install the emc2-sim package
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/emctop.py:
* better display of many items, such as positions
* make text selectable, can now select and paste into a terminal with middle button
roltek: you around
i am here
have to go eat talk to you later
I got an answer for your jerky motors
why do I need all those things just to do a build?
ds3: because they're all needed?
ds3, it depends on what you want to build as well
think you are misunderstanding what I am asking
I don't know if the make system allows you to build for non-simulator unless you're running an RT kernel
let me ask it differently -- I have an enviroment that can build the similator just fine (so a lot of the libs are there); I am trying to figure out what more do I need to get it to do the real build
I am trying to do a 'cross' build enviroment
yeah - I'm not sure how much support there is for that
got it. will investigitate it myself then
it works just fine, I can build the RT dapper version while I've booted the regular kernel
ok - cool
(and vice versa)
if so, there must be some additionally bits (RTAI headers and?) that is needed to make the build
look at what debian/configure does when you configure to build a realtime debian package
just want to modify one of the hals to support dumb hardware
looks like linux-image-<kernel version>, rtai-modules-<kernel version> and linux-headers-<kernel version> are all put in the build-depends when configured for a realtime system
linux-image may only be necessary because rtai-modules, which also has needed header files, depends on it
sounds like I will make a RTAI linux tree and try to get it to use that for the system headers
doing anything kernel related on debian/ubuntu confuses me
mostly because i learned on slackware
which was just "oh hey, download the latest vanilla kernel and gogogo"
doing my best to avoid distro specific hacks
well i just meant getting the kernel in the first place/etc
"i have to download what to get the kernel?"
first thing I do when installing a system is to chuck the kernel the distro provided
apt-get install linux-kernel-headers linux-kernel linux-hokey-pokey
hmm, that might be a great idea
god I hate vim
vim is neato!
worse thing since moldy bread!
so use something else
vim is like the jig grinder of text editors!
it does everything, but only six people know how it works
I do, replacing vim with nvi is the second thing I do
except this laptop somehow still has vim on it :(
the colors are driving me nuts, then there is... n/m I will complain elsewhere
now i'm kind of interested as i have no idea what you are complaining about
the attempt at highlighting a C file
or maybe you are referring to syntax highlighting
in which case i've never tried to turn that off
it decides to use a light yellow to color the 'if' keyword and I stare at it and see just expressions with (......)
you have like the retarded version of vim maybe?
it is the crap that fedora ships
yes i will go with retarded version
for 500, alex
this is insane... the C file looks like a lisp file at first glance :(
ds3: you may need to :set background to get appropriate contrast for the background you've chosen (light or dark)
"he's insane... he's losing his mind, and he feels it going"
or switch to the editor you prefer
bash: notepad.exe not found
jepler: on my work laptop now... forgot to put a proper vi on it :/
i really wish vim would integrate into everything
toastydeath: just install 'wine', then you can run notepad
no, i was kidding
i type "i" when i open up notepad
and wonder why an 'i' appeared
just checked, slackware still uses a sane editor...elvis ;)
slackware comes with like nine editors installed
and a broken install of x-windows
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py:
- get rid of pre-python2.4 compatability stuff
- get rid of pre-emc2 compatability stuff
- use the perspective view by default
- get the emc version from the emc module, not from the environment