* crepincdotcom yoinked two 12 amp servo amplifiers today
More SNOW :-) LOTS of FAST FAT FLAKES!
.au had 3 FOOT of hail yesterday, and it's summer over there.
skunkworks: is the pinout on http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/hal/pluto_servo.html
the current one you're using?
cradek: Yes - I had printed it out and it looks to be the same as my copy.
cradek: and I know that the encoder 0-3 inputs work... And a few of the inputs.
I'm going to try to build my setup into an old external scsi box
I even found the very old style db25-to-scsi cable - now I have to find the pinout to see if it's fully wired so it will be usable
um, any need for a Connor 340 scsi drive dated 1994?
I have a 9gb double height scsi drive.
probably even works!
and a few 1gb ones
I have a 1GB full height scsi drive in my AT
when it powers up - the whole computer twists a bit. ;)
bought it used for about $700 iirc
yah - the 9gb drive was for our novell 3.mumble server. I remeber it being quite spendy
I was fortunate enough to never run novell at home
had 'lantastic' (dos) before using linux
needing a dedicated machine for a fileserver was a huge drawback at the time
lantastic was a really good product for its time.
we actually had a network in a box that had novell lite. we used that at home with ne1000 compatable network cards.. was it ne1000?
might have been ne2000
ne2000 was the common one
not sure if there was ne1000 - may have been
ne2000 that could be.. that sounds right
then there was windows 3.11 for workgroups ;)
yeah that's when we started using tcpip I think
I've still got a couple or three, and the 10base2 / 10baseT hub
or maybe with dos - the ms lanman client supported tcpip
it's been too long to remember the details - but, I can still network dos, which few can still do
don't tell the turbocnc people :-)
I mainly did it to play doom and decent..
Hi Guys, I seriously need some help. Ubuntu updated last night and I didn't know it also updates EMC. I was still running an old testing version. Now I can't find the new ini file to put my values into. Help Please..Vern
since you're going to have to do some work to update anyway, you should jump to 2.1.1 which was recently released (you probably have 2.0.5 now)
let me find the instructions for that
[01:42:07] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.1
do you know how old your testing version was, and where your working custom config is?
I Can find my config file. Testing version over a year old.
just for safety, you might want to copy your config to some other media before you do anything else.
then once you get to 2.1.1, you can merge in your changes
ok i can do that.
is it a stepper machine?
does it have switches, or spindle control, or anything else complex?
ok this will be really easy then - you will have to fix up your scales, velocity and acceleration, and that's about all
go ahead and do the stuff on that UpdatingTo2.1 page, and then come back
(don't forget to back up your config first)
ok. See you in a while. Vern...
Oh and thanks Chris!!!
welcome! no problem
now where are my IDC DB25 connectors?
I really don't know Chris. sorry
under something, I bet
bpmw: was your system a breezy (5.10) install? and if so, did you update it to dapper?
I didn't think of that - I bet it is, which is going to make it a little more complex
it wouldn't have done it automatically though would have it?
not exactly, but there's a button on the update manager to make it easy
Cradek, the install.sh is just opening in g-edit?
bpmw: let's back up, I need a better handle on what's going on here
was your system breezy (ubuntu 5.10)?
i think it WAS not shure what it is now.
so you don't know if you installed breezy updates, or updated it to dapper (6.06)? you can do both of those things in the breezy update manager
I dont think i did the dapper one. how do i tell
bpmw: can you download and burn a CD?
Yes. I'll have to go back into ther house to do it though.
Systemm about ubuntu not telling anything.
if you did a breezy->dapper update, there's a bit of a mess to clean up, it might be easier to reinstall with the new dapper-emc2 live CD
it's kind of hard to help from here, not knowing exactly what you've got going on over there
Will i lose all my networking. If so Id like to try something else first. I had a B***h of a time getting nfs and smb to work.
yeah, you'd have to do that stuff again if you reinstalled
what's "uname -a" tell you?
All my .ngc file around 500 of them are on the server in the house.
Linux Kite 2.612 magma #1
ok that's still breezy
did you reboot after the updates?
ok, after you reboot, you may get something different
Ok I'll give that a try and be back after its done.
bad sign that he's not back yet.
Cradek, I found where the new Emc was installed and edited the ini file. seems to be working now. Thanks for your help as always Vern...
ok, you must have 2.0.5 on breezy going then
I was afraid you were in for a rougher ride than that (updated to ubuntu dapper)
I quess, I have parts to machine so I don't have time to update anymore this week. :).
I'm glad you got it going then
the updates have been safe since 2.0.0 but yours was from before that, so it broke your config
Thanks again for all your help. Much appreciated.
the best part is you have a lot of bugs fixed now!
I'll see ya around.. Vern
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/debian/ (changelog emc2.files.in): russian translation of axis from Yuri Tereschenko
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03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/emc2.files.in: russian translation of axis from Yuri Tereschenko
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/po/ru_axis.po: russian translation of axis from Yuri Tereschenko
would some one mind rendering this 2"x2"x0.25" g-code
[03:46:11] <Twingy> http://js.cx/~justin/tmp/Part.cnc
lemme export emc
Twingy: kind of hard to see what's going on - many lines
some kind of cone with crossings going through it
[03:53:41] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/twingy.png
it is supposed to be auto-pocketing between the outermost and innermost boundaries
I was talking about a 3d voxel rendering
I either have a pocketing bug or bug in my voxel renderer
oh, I'm not set up to do that
but judging from the tool path, something a little nutty is going on
that's the impression I am getting too
maybe tomorrow jepler can render it for you with gdepth (or maybe others have it set up)
unless I fix the bug first :)
after this release I think I've squashed all the buggies
oh wait, were you being serious? (I say that about emc sometimes too)
yea, was being serious :)
I'm in STABLE mode now
it's nice seeing the guys at work using gcam to make simple stuff
found the bug
k, bed night
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will it import a DXF file?
[09:14:10] <alex_joni> http://gcam.js.cx/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61
[09:15:44] <alex_joni> http://gcam.js.cx/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=5&highlight=dxf
must be raining in Lincoln
[12:32:39] <cradek> http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local/doc45e6ba0febd3b946687263.txt
wow, I don't remember the last time UNL closed for snow.
snow killed my internet, but I'm back now
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py:
Fix error "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in
position 0-9: ordinal not in range(128)" when the translation of 'continuous'
is not ASCII
I am pretty sure that tkinter is returning utf-8 unicode strings here, regardless of the user's actual encoding
the patch worked when I set LANGAUGE=ru LANG=ru_RU.KOI8-R, for instance
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py:
Merge rev 1.52: Fix error "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode
characters in position 0-9: ordinal not in range(128)" when the translation of
'continuous' is not ASCII
* alex_joni still waits for jeff to continue his idea
oh - did I miss an idea?
* alex_joni missed scrolling to the last page
we got an ice/show mix last night - roads where pretty bad out by me.
it's bad here too
I'm taking the day off and staying inside
hmm.. that's nice
it's warm and sunny here
maybe 10C +
looks like 6" (10cm) or so
supposed to get a bunch more today and tonight
* alex_joni flexes his muscles
skunkworks: who are you calling losers?
The people that think they can stay home when there is a 'little' ice and snow.
I'm not a loser -- just someone with a cushy job and plenty of leave
* skunkworks is just mad that he didn't think of it.
cradek: that means working on your lathe?
I did start last night - mounted the pluto in the box and wired it to the connector on the back
isn't it odd to have that much snow in march?
or is it common in NE ?
we usually get the heaviest snow fall in the feb-march range.
we've had more snow this year than in recent years
Ubutu partitioned my drive but now I can't get into my Windows XP. It tells me "file system unknown, partition type 0x7. Can someone tell me what the problem is?
does now one know how to troubleshoot anymore?
[15:41:42] <skunkworks> http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu.gU9OZFCEIBFKFXNyoA?p=partition+unknown+0x7+ubuntu&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt
it's funny to hear skunkworks complaining about spelling
I was complaining about my own spelling
'does no one know...'
forgot the ;)
and here I was looking for ogarr's spelling mistake
I just don't see yours anymore
* skunkworks wonders if that is good or bad..
* logger_emc is already logging
* LawrenceG grumble grumble.... nss update breaks evolution.... mumble mumble
* LawrenceG use LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox evolution & as a workaround until new evolution pkg released
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Anyone ever do any airbrushing?
Me neither, but I have use for it on an upcoming project. I already have a vac pump, just wondering if I can get away with using that instead of buying an airbrush compressor.
no clue. I am only decent at color by number. And that is if I really concentrate.
...and someone else holding the brush?
exactly - I am good at deligating
LOL, sounds like me. A hand artist I am not. ^Z is a wonderful thing =)
[19:14:16] <Jymmmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92403
hello - does anyone know if someone has wrote anything - to use isagraph - for the plc?
Jymmmm: a refrigerator compressor
pier_ Only needs 30psi iirc,
Jymmmm: at least that's what I use to feed my airbrush
pier_ do you use a regulator and a water trap?
Jymmmm: a regulator, a filter and a check valve
pier_ Heh, buy the time I but those piece individually, I might as well buy the compressor with all that stuff =)
Jymmmm: and a dismatled fire estinguisher bottle as a reservoir
duerz: I don't know what isagraph is, but emc2's classicladder has ladder and sequential program editors
duerz: if that's not enough, you can write new components in C using the HAL APIs
pier_ I already have a (very nice) vacuum pump that has an exhaust on it, but no regulator/water trap.
Jymmmm: not sure... I got them for few euros and the fridge compressor from scrap heap
[19:41:08] <jepler> http://membres.lycos.fr/mavati/classicladder/main_sequential_snapshot.png
Jymmmm: yes... I also use it revers as a vacuum pump
Jymmmm: I payed all the accessories 25/30 euros
pier_ Ah, ok. Maybe I'll just use it then, I want to airbrush some paint that is napatha based, so I hope that the solvent will disapate the water enough =)
Jymmmm: mmm I never used that kind of paint... just thinner
Jymmmm: as solvent
pier_: It's the kind used to paint on glass.
Jymmmm: ah.. ok
pier_: Hey, I want to build a cnc foam cutter... and since you've written some stuff already, any hints on your setup?
Jymmmm: really simple and cheap
Jymmmm: the control is not that powerfull
Jymmmm: with tip122 and some ttl
Jymmmm: 10 euros at most
Jymmmm: I made one that works nicely...
pier_: Sorry, I mena actually controlling the CNC portion,
i work for MDSI - i just used to st, sfc, style programming.
pier_ yeah (tapered cuts), as well as the CAD/CAM stuff.
I am currently setting up homing/limit switches. Anyone want to hold my hand?
Jymmmm: the parts I cut are pretty standard
* Jymmmm hands slundell two live 220VAC wires... Here, hold these!!!
Jymmmm: two profiles at the ends
pier_ Well, you previously mentioned that you do not draw your stuff, but had some script or something or another.
Jymmmm: a dos program
Jymmmm: I wrote years ago, but suited for aerodynamics profiles
* /me bzzz aaaa iiiii zzzpp....
pier_: Yeah, I'd like to be able to draw up whatever I want to cut, send it thru some CAM, then machien code to the cutter.
Jymmmm: it should be very easy to alter it in order to handle shapes different from profiles
Jymmmm: with tapered stuff the cutting proces become a bit tricky
Jymmmm: have you looked at this? http://www.excelcut.netmyne.com/
Jymmmm: as the end of the nic-chr wire move at different speed
pier_: Yeah, I kinda gathered that, but check out this video....
(just found it in passing)
question was; how do i do separate home swiches and 3 limit switches wired in parallell.
skunkworks: Cool, thanks. I've bookmarked it, will check it out later in detail.
Jymmmm: very nice machine
The machien is $40,000 USD, Works with BobCAD (included), and includes 3 days of onsite setup and training
slundell: are all your limit and home switches hooked in parralel to 1 pin?
* pier_ curious to check the accuracy of that
Jymmmm: in my opinion the operator needs a lot of practice...
or are the home switches all hooked to 1 pin and all the limit switches hooked to 1 pin
pier_: Not the operator, they have it setup so the operator can scan a barcode on the workorder and it'll bring up the correct program and go.
Jymmmm: if you need accuracy temperature and umidity of foam are critical for a neat cutting
skunkworks: The home switches are all on separate pins. I want the home switches to also act as limit switches in that direction. The limit switches in the other direction will be wired to one pin.
pier_: I don't think I need THAT much, mostly playing. Already have the NiChr (about 400K' worth), sitcks of 1/2" acme, 15VDC linear PS, and some ball bearing slides.
Jymmmm: and the dimensional offset correction would have to be set up according to the matherial/room-temperature
Jymmmm: at least that's my experience with a simple machine like mine ;)
pier_: Well, it's the design and run of whatever I want to cut in foam that I don't know about just yet. There is DeskCAM, but I'm not sure if I need to use their serial (rs232) drivers or can get away with using my existing xylotex paraport driver.
* pier_ looking at the video
Jymmmm: I use the same board now for both router and foam cutting based on parallel port
To confuse matters.... if one is using microswitches that have NO/NC contacts, there is a way to use one switch as both HOME and LIMIT. But I dont' recall the details atm.
pier_ Ah, ok. Well that helps in costs. Have you used any program to draw and cut something yet?
Jymmmm: as I said a piece of code I wrote to cut profiles
Jymmmm: from NACA 4 digits and data files
Jymmmm: restriction being that the number of segments are the same for both root and tip
skunkworks: ...or i might use serport to get three extra inputs so that i can wire these limit switches on separate pins.
slundell: I don't think what you want to do is a problem.. But my experience with hal is limmited at this point. I was just hoping someone else would chime in,
like alex_joni ;)
skunkworks: who me?
pier_: so, the code you have produces G-vode output?
Jymmmm: it just reads/calulate a profile and cut it
alex_joni: another home/limit question :)
Jymmmm: exports dxf though
pier_ well, that's a good thing =)
Jymmmm: was adding the possibility ro read in dxf ends profile but then gave up
pier_: I guess I just need todo some research on the cad/cam/controller of foam cutting a la CNC
slundell: so, what's the problem?
Jymmmm: when I have enough knowledge on EMC I'll try and see if it is suitable to cut wings
Jymmmm: but my learning speed is not G0
pier_ NP, =)
* pier_ watching at http://ajaxcnc.com/lathe_kits.htm
my school has a low budget and retrofitting a common lathe to a cnc one with Emc would save a lot of money
pier_: you can do it really cheap depending on how much you want to work.
pier_: you have some students to work on this.. right?
Jymmmm: it would be on educational purpose
so, there should be enough time & work available
alex_joni: yes... mainly afternoon with top students
pier_: how big is the lathe?
alex_joni: we've been asked 20000 euros to repair a colibri
colibri? the bird?
skunkworks: not big..
alex_joni: olivetti crap control on it
a wood lathe?
pier_: so it was cnc to begin with?
Jymmmm: no a normal lathe for metal working
well the story is.. we already have a cnc lathe
for colibri all I cna find is the bird
but it broke down... a couple of time
and the cost to repair it is far too much
so I thought that retrofitting a conventional one would be much cheaper
hmm.. it might be cheaper to retrofit the one that's broken
it's already got motors and such
hmm.. If it where me - I would see what you could keep on the existing cnc (maybe servos/drives) and replace the control unit with emc.
the spindle won't start
and the mainteners technicians make up any excuse to ask for money
perhaps it could be even a fuse
I wonder how far jackey lives from you - wasn't he good with electronics ;)
but I don't know where to put hands
skunkworks: not even that far
I think jacky is 2 hours from San Giovanni (iirc)
he hasn't been on much lately
skunkworks: the size of that kind of late http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=UpSell_LogicX&viewitem=&refitem=230093162278&item=230097594118&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
alex_joni: who is jacky?
alex_joni: ok I think I heard of him on some cnc forum
[20:39:26] <alex_joni> http://www.giacus.org/
pier_: FWIW... http://gm.cnc.free.fr/en/index.html
alex_joni: ok ...now I see
pier_: that is pretty big.. your probably looking at some decent sized servos/stepping motors.
alex_joni: I talked to him
pier_: he's not that far from you
I talked to him about sicily before
alex_joni: yes he's from the south... but not been around in the channel
and he said he was there (drive to palermo and back in one day)
yeah, he's been away lately
Jymmmm: that's my machine... ;) wood and alu
before that he was all the time around ;)
skunkworks: was telling it could be possible to fit Emc in it
Hi I've recently upgraded from BDI to the Ubuntu LIVE cd version of EMC, I don't seem to be able to find the "Conversational Program editor" is in on this CD ? if not can anybody remind me what it was called so I can go in search of it. thanks David
david__: cp1 I think
sorry.. wrong link
great thanks David
Excellent, I'm up and running with cp1 once again thanks
david__: how is everything else working so far?
Very well, I like the axis display layout
nice to hear that :)
david__: what are you running with it?
I have a RF 45 mill with Stepper motors
night all and thanks for the chat...
alex_joni: god... it's hot here hope to get to sleep... 20?C this morning ... nite all
pier_: we had 14C this afternoon
I don't know if anybody is interested, but I've been playing with a little program to convert PNG images to Gcode files. I stuck the alpha version on sourceforge last night, I called it DN-cam. It's writteb in Gambas as I'm not clever and don't get on with C++ stuff :-)
david__: what kind of png ?
take 24 bit, converts to mono between 1 -255 layers
david__: I think AXIS has something similar
try loading an image from the example files included
I have not found that yet :-)
[21:13:34] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/i2g-emc2.1.png
jepler: have a screenshot of the russian translation?
Very nice, my EMC version juts throws an error :-)
jepler: you set your whole Ubuntu in russian?
alex_joni: that's the screenshot included with the translation
I didn't make it
didn't know you can handle cyrilics
looks nice though
david__: something is wrong
I'm trying to send you a file is it happening ?
no, not really
DCC SEND from david__ [0.0.0.199 port 0]:
that's not a valid IP and port address
david__: put it on www.imagebin.org
It's there as DN http://imagebin.org/7433
I've put a second image, screenshot of my Basic program called DN-2
[21:38:06] <alex_joni> http://imagebin.org/7434
have to go now, bye
on the second page on digg... http://digg.com/apple/Convert_Color_Images_to_Sexy_1_Bit_Black_White