I JUST found out the problem I've been having all this time with my drill press... It's only when the quill is down does it "wobble". *sigh* All this time I thought I was mucking something up somehow or had really bad drillbits.
I've always heard that sears has a liberal return policy, we're gonna find out.
Jymmmm: good luck
anonimasu: Thanks. Already got the General Managers name, will talk to him in person come Monday or Tuesday.
I've usualyl had pretty good luck with Sears tools over the years, I'd be happy even wiht an open box exchange.
But from looking on the website, this model doesn't exist anymore.
03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/.cvsignore: ignore
03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/sim/.cvsignore: ignore position files
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/pumakins.c: try some rad/deg conversions
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma.ini: saner values for pums 560
03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/changelog: don't want to get so behind this time
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2007-02-04.txt
my supposedly 12v wall wart guts are giving out 17v
have the 8 output relay box all fabbed up for classic ladder
although I doubt the relays with complain if I switch them @ 17v?
just a bridge and a cap?
it'll probally drop down once you give it an appropriate load
no long is probally causing it to charge up to the peaks; 12V is likely the RMS voltage (12 * 1.4 =~ 18)
no load on it atm, just the meter
reading @ ~17.5V or so
03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/html/gcode.html: changes in 2.1 will be in 2.2 also
some of you maybe interested in what I just found... http://www.rolexreferencepage.com/miyota/miyota1.html
I then used this sort of adjustable "claw" tool to grab hold of the perimeter of the movement
I was ready to try and use my watch tools - the majority of which I purchased inexpensively from an eBay auction. Of course, they came with no instructions, and most of the tools were less than intuitive in terms of being obvious what they were used for.
well that's an interesting guess!
he screwed up the watch by cluelessly trying to regulate it, so he ... took it apart with no ability to fix it, and made a web page
cradek... yup. I was looking at the watch itself, not him destroying it.
[06:31:37] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2007073307202.gif
in america... http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2004-03-29-child-self-porn_x.htm
What is the purppose of "jewels" in a watch/clock?
I always see things like "quartz movement"
unless it is digital, even quartz has moving parts
think they are also used in indicators and some dial calipers
but all as bearings?
i don't get it, but I believe ya =)
IIRC, they are used at the end of the shafts since jewels are a lot harder so they dont' wear quickly
SWPLinux_ is now known as SWPLinux
jmkasunich_ is now known as jmkasunich
wow. people still awake at this hour?
well it's almost lunch over here ;D
morning here too
alpha: you get up at 06:00 on a Sunday ?
Dallur. umm... I'm kinda insombic... I sleep for 4 hours, and wake up, and sleep another 4 later on in the day.
alpha: ahh :(
looks like I just missed maddash
even alpha's up :D
I actually managed to get up by 11:00
hm, I woke up at 8 the dog woke me up
oh not that much
Dallur, do you have any tip how to set up your plasma config? I want to try it
anonimasu, did you recieve your rails yet?
and it is!
oops hahha... didn't even realize I was in the wrong window while typing
Martin_Lundstrom: hmm don't really have any tips no
Martin_Lundstrom: I have not touched that config in ages
Martin_Lundstrom: I will post an update once I have everything up and running, I hope that will also include gantry kinematics for homing a dual motor setup
I spent all of yesterday just wiring, and I got a day or two to go
Dallur, cool, then Ill continue a while with my custom hal component setup
anyone here use proftpd?
any idea why this config snippet doesn't result in the upload dir being writeable? http://pastebin.ca/339910
I wish I did :)
lerneaen_hydra: in apache you have to do some "order allow, deny" foo
or maybe it was the other way around
hmm, what do you mean by that?
otherwise the deny all from / takes precedence
ah, I see
hmm, that seems possible
hmm, /upload/ didn't help
I'll try the alt. ordering then
[12:17:36] <lerneaen_hydra> http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Limit.html
<-- hmm, If I understood that correctly then ordering shouldn't matter
the inheritance section
one thing that I haven't been able to tell is if /path/to/dir is relative or absolute
ah, now I think it's working
anyone here and willing to test?
-33F here with the wind chill
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/minigl.c:
add gluSphere for completeness, and because jmk proposed that it might be a
useful primitive for machine visualization
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (control.c mot_priv.h motion.c):
convert joint_pos_fb and joint_pos_cmd from parameters to pins so that these
values can be used for machine visualization
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/emc2hal.lyx:
convert joint_pos_fb and joint_pos_cmd from parameters to pins so that these
values can be used for machine visualization
all ECM user/developere here i presume?
i mean EMC
not all of them, but plenty
i new to EMC but well versed in Linux
i'm planning to build a CNC engraver together with my dad
he's into clock making
starting from a manual machine, or from scratch?
starting form scratch reall
He has a small machine shop with nice equipment,.. and used it to make some tools for clock making
he just finished a first test setup of his first clocks inner workings
the idea is to (maybe) convert en exsisting mill, but maybe start anew
what work envelope do you need?
in first instance to engrave clock faceplates/dials
ah, more than a few inches then
and later cut out wheels etc
probably high tolerance
what's "high tolerance"?
he has plenty of mechanical and electrical expertise,.. but no computer skills (yet)
for cutting wheels on a mill you'll need 4 axis (one rotary table)
yes, i gather as much :)
cradek; err, huh?
on a cnc?
lerneaen_hydra: to cut teeth
oh, gears, yeah
well, it depends on how sharp the inner bend needs to be
he built a simple (but effective) gear cutting machine from scratch
any photos online?
one described in these clock building magazine
ah pity, not yet
but i'll visit there soon and put some up
also make some pics of the workshop while i'm there
the handle on my back door just shattered off when I tried to come back inside from taking the trash out ...
it might be cold here
what was it made from?
cradek: anyway, i was wondering what kind of performance is needed form the host PC to run EMC2
cradek: is an old PC enough?
[19:03:37] <jepler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Hardware_Requirements
ah,.. wonderfull I'll have alook there,..
i hoped for somewhat modest requirements
what's the bottle neck here,.. pure processing power/speed?
I think you need 512 MB of RAM to install from scratch
by todays standards thats considered modest
anything you can cram 512 MB into will work fine for most uses of EMC2
i'll have a look in my shed to see if I have something suitable then
haha, that's what I do too :-)
my lathe and mill run very nicely on an old PIII 6xx MHz
i've collected some old pc that are used for spare parts here and there,.
i think most of my pc stuff is a little older
i might have a 300 or 400MHz P II
yeah PIII aren't quite free yet, but they are cheap if you have a source
512mb ram? O_o
should be able to get one for little euros
mine runs fine on 192 or 256 (or something like that)
runs fine for me on 256M
lerneaen_hydra: I doubt you can install dapper from scratch with 256, but I might be wrong
hmm am I wrong?
I think the official ubuntu instructions say 256 megs for installation
I've installed dapper on a 128mb system, no problems
the altinstall disk requires a bit less
that's with the alt disk of course
I bet you can IF you have a swap partition available for the install
I installed from the emc2 live-cd with 256
ok don't listen to me then
the desktop one needs 256 IIRC
IMO the alt disk is much better for installing a system
hmm I can try it in vmware
according to my dad most of these clockbuilding hobiest are using windows software,.. but i'm not at all familiar with windows so i told my dad i cannot help out in that area unless he chooses some linux bases solution
is the memory mostly used by the desktop? one could choose a leaner desktop/window manager
I've run xubuntu on 96mb ram and it was reasonably snappy
as long as you don't load heavy apps it doesn't need to swap
thats what i use on my old laptop here
JayBeee: Gnome is a resource whore
if you're familiar with linux you have more options - we chose to do full gnome on our easy-to-install CD to make new linux users as comfortable as possible
ejholmgren: yep i know,.. i try to stay away from it mostly
ok my vmware is set to 256, so that must be enough for a full install
cradek: i very comfy with linux been using it since,.... 1995
good, same for some of us here
cradek: i will try both xfce and gnome on the eventual pc that's going to be used and see how it performs
if you have enough ram, I bet they'll both be fine
cradek: i'm truly handicapped when i comes to windows though
* JayBeee went from dos to os/2 to linux (skipped windows)
same here, and I don't use windows at work either, so I'm getting more and more lost as they release new versions
cradek: hahaha,.. i have similar exeprience,.. my colleagues find it realy funny to once in a while see me have a stab at windows when needed
I know win95/98 and NT4 pretty well - after that I start getting lost - especially as they rearrange everything every release
every now and then i need to get my hands dirty and play with windows (i _work_ with linux)
anyway jeplers uri is very informative
i just subscribe to the mailing list
people on this list use EMC professionally?
some do, some are hobbyists
* JayBeee is on the phone,.. brb
EMC2 runs a huge variety of machines
anyone test gcam 2007.02.02 ?
sometimes its hard to draw the line between hobby and professional
Twingy: not yet
that's the way it ought to be
I should have some time to fix a few more things tonight
JayBeee: are you related to that rapper?
pay no attention to me, i'm intoxicated with pancakes and maply syrup
sorry was on the phone
fenn: no not related to any rapper as far as i know :)
* JayBeee was on the phone with his dad
they probably use mach
he seems quite enthusiastic about building a cnc machine from scratch
JayBeee: the bottleneck is i/o latency and jitter
its more of an issue with stepper motors
fenn: ah, i thought steppers were easiest
and accurate enough
although if you're doing high speed machining with servos you might need more processing power
we dont get too many of those
hmm,.. i'll inform myself thoroughly before making decisions
define "High Speed machining"
making clock parts, speed is not so important.. accuracy is
with 0.0005 or lower resolution
or a similar ratio
its not for mass production
fenn: then you need bearing that have absolute no tolerance
fenn: don't know the proper term for it,.. space/play/tolerance
most things "hsm" use linear bearings anyway
they're preloaded from the factory
* JayBeee realises hes' got lots to learn still
graded ball bearings to select the tightness of the fit
dont we all
fenn: yes exactly
anyway, i need to be doing some other chores,..
* fenn has 18 windows open he needs to read
so i'll be "away"
bye for now
and thanks for the info all!
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma.ini: make 'home all' work
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/lib/python/pyvcp_widgets.py: allow a new pin prefix to be specified for an included xml file
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/bin/.cvsignore: machine visualization, including an example for a puma-style robot
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma_sim_6.hal: machine visualization, including an example for a puma-style robot
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/changelog: machine visualization, including an example for a puma-style robot
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/Submakefile: machine visualization, including an example for a puma-style robot
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/pumagui.py: machine visualization, including an example for a puma-style robot
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/lib/python/vismach.py: fix ImportError: No module named vismach
I was wondering where the generic part was
haha my arm fell off
XYZ all changed to nan and the arm disappeared
yeah I think the puma kins are not quite right
yeah I'd have to agree.
/topic <cradek> haha my arm fell off
* lerneaen_hydra wishes he was +o
come to think of it, there should be a wiki page with good IRC quotes
Morning, I noticed Hal_Documention.pdf is 'not found' at the link in the wiki.
anyway to get it?
Roguish: the hal documentation is all in the emc2 user guide now
[20:54:35] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/
thanks, i'm trying to readup on what to do since 'blocks' was depricated.
got any advice?
[20:56:07] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING
oh I'm sure you'll be able to catch the other devs saying things as good if not better
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03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/lib/python/vismach.py: fix all polygons to face the right way
jepler: Canvas.__init__(........,highlightthickness=0) gets rid of ugly grey border on all the canvas'ed widgets, but requires some widgets to be reduced by 1 pixel radius so they dont touch parent frame decoration
stupid gnome setting X resources it doesn't understand
most tk widgets have a "highlight" which is a 1 pixel rectangle around the outside. when the widget has keyboard focus, it should be black. when the widget is not focused, it should match the color of the frames around it
jepler: unless I run emc-environment, I still get ImportError: No module named vismach
gnome sets some Tk color resources but not others, and it leads to situations like this
cradek: you mean, when using scripts/emc?
cradek: in 2.2 I want to get rid of the sys.path hack and always have the right directory in $PYTHONPATH
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: make sure PYTHONPATH is set right so that it's possible to get rid of the sys.path trick in emc2.2
cradek: does it run now, after you rebuild to get a fresh scripts/emc ?
* Twingy really needs to get around to insulating and heating his garage
I'm ok when the garage is between 50F and 90F
but 30F is not fun
outside or inside?
no garage :)
14 oz-in, 130V, 0.30A
this sounds like a terrible motor
* jepler is looking at ebay for no good reason
jepler: I got one to try out - haven't done anything with it yet.
sounds like a decent motor, the specs make more sense than the one I was alluding to above
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma_sim_6.hal: fix velocity scaling on pumagui (0..1 = 0..360)
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma_postgui.hal: use joint positions, not motor positions, for the vcp
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/lib/python/vismach.py: don't print KeyboardInterrupt when exiting, it looks like a programming error
anybody know how to get a single file from a package?
I borked up a config file and need the original copy
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/pumagui.py: joint positions for the puma configuration are in degrees
jmkasunich: dpkg-deb --extract can get you the files from a .deb
I think it only extracts all the files, but it does it in a directory you specify, instead of /
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma.ini: fix some home positions/offsets
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma_sim_6.hal: remove scaling as it's now not necessary (done in pumagui.py)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma.ini: remove duplicated HOME_SEQUENCE
omg... I've slept so much... I thought it was 6am, not 6pm.
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/scarakins.c: initial emc2 version
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/Makefile: build scarakins