good night all
The iTV is coming along nicely. Functionally working via remote control - still need to reprogram the remote a bit and work on the menuing/navigation
my tab key spoils me.
maddash Now see if you can trade in the tab key for a wife/girlfriend/slave/maid =)
ANOTHER mistress on the side? hmmm, could be more trouble than it's worth...
another?! SHARE DAMNIT SHARE! (but no sloppy seconds)
good work guys, thanks for 2.1 :)
maddash, I know exactly what you mean .... more than 3 is hard work, right?
whoa. emc 2.1 is out?
* Jymmmm lol @ robin_sz
My iTV box is coming along nicely. 100% functional, just working on the esthetics now.
Jymmmm, remind me to tell you about my weld shop foremen someday ;)
robin_sz How many did he have?
and what stupidness did he do to get caught?
mmm .. he has "holidays" in Thailand .. from which he returns looking like he needs a long rest ;)
robin_sz: Ah, Thailand, say no more.
$400USD gets you a month
omaybe $4000 USD, but still cheap
istr the last "holiday" involved 2 threesomes and 3 all-nighters in a week
poor chap could hardly walk :)
not like anyone is gonna feel sorry for him though =)
A friend goes to Thailand for about 6 weeks at a time...
and he survives?
Yeah, He does not only Thailand, but various Pacific rim locales too.
"pacific rim" ... sounds fun
Once it was Thailand, NZ, AU. Next time was Thai, Cambodia, Japan, etc
hmm .. we seem to have straye doff topic .. again ;)
But always makes a stop in Thailand =)
[01:48:10] <tomp> http://www.retire-on-550-month.com/
thailand, they show you what 550 covers
what's with thailand?
americans can go lots of places to exploit people with their copious money
isn't that try for anyone who has copulating money?
sure, I just assumed the guy is an american
cradek: I think you assumed wrong
robin_sz's weld shop formeman is probably from the UK
fjungclaus_ is now known as fjungclaus
new gcam is available
ugh, I have to build axis as well?
maddash: working from source? no, you don't _have_ to build it
I think if you lack any of its dependencies it won't build
if I lack the deps, won't ./configure just pout and stop?
if you lack deps for core parts of emc, yes
if you lack deps for the documentation, and I think for axis, it just doesn't build those parts
there will be a message like "axis will not be built" somewhere in the configure output
none of the developers routinely try to build without the requirements for axis, so that part of the configure / make / make install may have bugs.
patches happily accepted
credit happily given?
Twingy: the new gcam compiled on my dapper machine, but the g-code I got from hub.gcam contains 'nan's starting at line 1101: hub.cnc:1101:G00 Xnan Ynan (move to start)
maddash: uh sure if that helps you be motivated
hmm, aptitude moo doesn't yield anything promising
Twingy: after 'make', I did './gcam', File > Load Project, selected hub.gcam, did File > Export G-Code, selected "emc".
Twingy: repeated those steps, got NaNs again
Twingy: I notice that there are only 5 holes on my screen, not 6 as I see on the wiki
Twingy: the central hole and 4 of the outside holes do appear in the AXIS preview before it runs in to the lines with the nans
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)
refactor halcmd into four major parts:
* halcmd main program and .hal file parser (halcmd_main.c)
* command dispatch (halcmd.c)
* command implementation (halcmd_commands.c)
* halcmd interactive-mode completion (halcmd_completion.c)
add halsh.c, which produces a Tcl loadable library 'hal.so' which can
jepler, k, thanks for the info
will take a look at it now
I get a similar result: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/missing-hole.png
nice to have people actually testing it
I'm pleased you made it build on dapper without tweaking
do the comments look ok?
yes comments are fine
(Material Dimensions: X=2.500 Y=2.500 Z=0.500)
k, looking into NaN's
I also get some NaNs on motor_mount, this time on line 117
k, should be a one line fix
I rewrotes a couple of math routines
I don't get NaN's
could you post the cnc file
must be platform specific
[03:51:24] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/hub.cnc http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/Motor_Mount.cnc
Twingy: in a hole group, one of the holes is missing
in motor-mount, I get 3 holes
and a gap
if I change it to 6 holes I get 5 and a gap
jepler, interesting, k
afk for an hour while I work on this
if I choose "MATRIX" one of the holes is missing as well
could it be the next-to-last hole?
and everyone else
thanks for all the work on 2.1
thanks jeff , anyone: how did you fulfill gcam dep OpenGL 1.1 ? what package please?
thanks, will try
not gcam.org , right?
cradek: twingy: runs now, will try the samples, thanks
jepler: I'm not getting anything on gcam using the motor mount
"FGLTexMgr: open of shared memory obj failed (Permission denied)"
and when I try to insert an arc, I get a segmentation fault. nice.
twingy: the 1st xmpl runs, but has several lines "; pocketing" which the parser doesnt care for. by commenting those, it's running now
the xmpl is 'continuity'
i like the tree format for the elements
wow, its been 20 years since the Challanger crash
a little over, actually
20 yrs yesterday
I was in grade school - remember it distinctly
I was at work
had to be more, since I was in high school at the time (and I graduated 20.5 years ago)
The Space Shuttle Challenger disaster occurred at 11:39 a.m. EST (16:38 GMT) on January 28, 1986
it's 2007, so that's 21 yeers ;)
years, too :)
must have been 6th grade... guess I'm the young one here
I guess so
unless fenn is around
he probably doesn't remember it
they had an interesting show about the investigation at the National Geographic museum-like thing in DC
who on here runs debian
Ubuntu is debian-absed, so I do :)
I was thinking "pure" debian
just thinking about what do switch my new system over to
I like running slackware on my servers ...
but I think the ease of use argument from earlier will lead me to run something else on my desktop
depending on the hardware you have (and want to work), you'll probably be best off with Ubuntu or Mepis
looking in the debian iso dir ... I noticed 14+ full CD's worth of install iso's O_o
there are a lot of programs out there
althlon xp 2500, 512m ram, ati 9600XT, etc
unbuntu seemed like such a hog on my lower end systems
but it was probably just kde
other than "low RAM", that's a pretty respectable system, and should work fin
I'm lazy, should probably bring it up to a gig
(I only say low RAM because a lot of people just throw in a gig or more, because they can ...)
does the newest ubuntu release have compiz/beryl or whatever?
I need my rollercoaster fix after getting hooked on constantly using expose in osx
space shuttle was stupid
they should have used the lockheed clipper design
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." Richard Feynman
which is also stupid because it looks like an airplane, but that's what they wanted
but at least it was balanced correctly
fenn: the problems with the shuttle were not technical, they were managerial
a large part of the reason people were overworked was because it was an airplane attached to a rocket
what was the alternative?
eyah - the conversations were something like this: Engineer: "It'll break if you use it at this temperature" / Management: "well, it'll look bad if we don't fly so tough noogies"
a reusable multi-stage booster, like what every other country uses these days
that's the SRB - next?
actually, the reason there were any O-rings in the SRB at all is because the lowest bidder was land-locked. The original design had a single tube for the entire booster, but that couldn't be shipped by rail
it could have been shipped by barge though, had a coastal production house gotten the contract
yeah ocean based launch seems more practical anyway
not ocean launch, but carting the tubes to Kennedy by sea
instead, they had to split them up into sections, and put seals in there
ocean launch is not as simple as you think
ok, fixed both bugs
will upload new version shortly
emc works fine with debian
shh dont let anyone hear you say that
I'm glad to hear that maddash
because then they'll make you the debian release manager
cool. do I get paid?
same as the rest of us
thank you's and a feeling of satisfaction
does that mean 1happymeal/hr?
;P sure I'll happily be the debian pariah around here
only if you can afford them :)
2.1 works fine the way it is, anyway
brb gotta switch over to windows
sudo shutdown -r 30
swsusp is neat because it's basically instant booting, but unfortunately it requires some kind of power management stuff
[05:00:26] <K`zan> http://toothtunes.com/
Twingy: the rest of Continuity ran ok
both windows and source files updated on website
I want one that plays mp3s and Oggs :)
I am headed to bed shortly, so if anyone can test I'd appreciate it
* fenn tests
same version # as before? gcam-2007.01.28.tar.gz ?
it runs... what are we testing for?
NaN on hub
i see six holes
and that all 6 bolt holes show up
how about the g-code
does it parse?
looks good in the axis preview
btw, the shading on the lines and arcs indicate direction
dark to light
nice fade effect on the grid :)
wasn't sure if people would like that
Twingy: hub now has 6 holes in Axis preview
yes, it is very nice :)
if you did a spiral plunge instead of plunge, circle, plunge, circle, it'd be easier on the tool and go faster
not sure I agree with go faster
especially for arcs that accelerate and deccelerate
it's true plunging is hard for end mills - any diagonal/helical entry is better than a plunge
Twingy: no problems loading continuity.cnc now ( the lines beginning ; are now beginning ( , great
turbocnc has problems with arc blending
or it did when i used it
well, I suggest you put "spiral" plunge in bugzilla as a feature
only for continious sketches and holes
and gcam gets my color scheme right, unlike axis :)
Twingy: and motor mount fixed too, now i can go rtfm :) this is nice stuff, thanks
haha, grey is "right", you're just mistaken
i've got grey too
Twingy: I'll play some more tomorrow, thanks, especially for the gtk2.8 fixes
the manual is out of date...
[05:30:36] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/irc/gcam.png
ren is supposed to update that
that's the story of our lives
fenn, good stuff
fenn, which window manager?
* Twingy is using blackbox
next version is going to be bug fixes and optimizations only
version after that will include support for milled circuit boards
Twingy: the idea of describing a line in 2 planes sounds like wire edm (P0(x) P0(y) P1(x) P1(y) ) did you think about that in your design? or just a result of extrusion?
i broke gdepth somehow.. NameError: global name 'glMaterialfv' is not defined
scratch that: it's not twoplanes
once I chose extrusions as the core it just ended up that way
works if i comment out that line (278)
fenn, you talking to me?
no, jepler i guess
is there an ISO CD containing EMC and RT Linux?
I think a bootable CD with EMC and GCAM on it would be pretty hot
Twingy: are the extrusions always 'concentric' or could 1 side have a different taper?
Twingy: yes there is a live version, but not the brand new stuff
tomp, taper on a sketch should get you what you want
ok, midnight i quit, thanks all!
there are obviously certain things you can't do with extrusions
Twingy: what size endmill is that (hub) supposed to use?
fenn, if you look at "Tool" I think it's 1/8"
it could be optimized more
I did that in a hurry
a couple weeks ago
you have to be careful with the center piece
after it's free you probly want to remove it before letting it mill the rest
or set the Traverse(Z) to 0.15
if you cut it out of aluminum just baby sit it
k, bed time
[05:45:25] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/irc/gcam2.png
simulated with gdepth.py
* Twingy looks
cept the center disc is free by that point
and if not removed then mill will go boom
some people leave little webs so that doesnt happen
since I designed it poorly in a hurry
then you knock it out with a hammer when done
well, I would have designed it differently if it were production part
I want to add a library
probly 2 or 3 versions from now
people can upload their stuff since it's a wiki
"wiki part library"
I wrote gcam so that I could design my next rocket motor
so I will have my rocket motor on there
I also want to use it to design my next r/c plane
so I will put the r/c plane up there
I would like to put files up for designing a mill
using a sherline or taig
and a bunch of parts
a von neumann machine perhaps
you basically create a mill from a taig/sherline
all you need is a friend with a cnc mill and you can make a cnc mill type thing
well i wish i had this software back when i was trying to make hexapod parts
I want something about 2x as big as a taig
so I think myself and a co-worker are going to design the parts and make it on the taig
i suggest getting a section of square steel structural tubing, filling with cement, then casting moglice or something on top to make a flat mounting surface for linear rails or perhaps a sliding bearing made of cold rolled
big fat heavy stuff wont rattle around
I think I found a bug
render final part only cuts the start points for the circles
I've mentioned several times on the discussion forum that it's broken
it's been broken for 3-4 months
i havent even read the readme :D
ok, I will make another release tomorrow
if you add a sketch and insert a line it'll say "BAD!"
forgot to take a printf out
just ignore that
Twingy: seg fault (<unknown>:871): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_store_set: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, tree_store)' failed
i tried to 'offset x' on a tangential closed contour
[06:15:43] <tomp> http://imagebin.org/7059
i tried to 'taper offset X .1" and clicked 'pocket' doh! maybe the ,1" was too big for those .05 radii?
umm, no, it seems that offset is skew for the whole prismatic form, not a taper per side, but more of a 'lean' (thats what i see now anyways, lean not taper )
[06:24:54] <tomp> http://imagebin.org/7060
is that tapered?
no, taper is a reduction in size, this just leans, the cross section is constant ( imo )
i'm asleep at the wheel, gotta go
bleh anodizing failure :(
well 2.1 is out :D
and the LiveCD is updated
could you guys check if there is some stale docs?
(if you stumble upon it :)
Dallur: how's the boat?
alex_joni: nothing happening on that front at the moment
alex: first I need the plasma table operational, then I need to finish this darn dxf2gode program, then I need to convert everything, then I need to cut everything and ....
where's the change log?
[10:06:25] <alex_jon1> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=482177&group_id=6744
A-L-P-H-A: front page linuxcnc.org
that's a pretty big changelog :)
fenn: it's a pretty big change :D
fenn: and I bet we forgot at least some of the changes
what does "regression test infrastructure"refer to?
fenn: it runs a certain hal script and checks against predetermined results
alex_jon1 is now known as alex_joni
[12:39:17] <alex_joni> http://www.manufacturingtalk.com/news/cpk/cpk106.html
I just updated the PDF docs at http://linuxcnc.org/docs/
to be version 2.1. The old 2.0 docs are at http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.0/
fenn: when you compile run-in-place you get scripts/runtests, which can run the things in the tests/ directory. there's tests/README which should explain everything
jepler: great, thanks
alex_joni, how far back does the logger go?
2005 I think
hmm... trying to remember when I started coming here... that's all
[13:32:35] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2004/2004-10-18.txt
there are older logs somewhere :)
I have some from 20040104
there is no search
can you archive them all into one big bz file, or something?
I'll do a search with some other proggies to see when I start coming in here.
when you get the chance... no hurries.
I can grep for you if you have 3-4 requests
nope. just wanted to know when the first occurance happened for the nick "alpha1125" or "a-l-p-h-a"
2004-10-21.txt:16:16:38 <A-L-P-H-A> A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc
2004-10-27.txt:10:10:28 <Alpha1125> Alpha1125 has joined #emc
I've been here that long, or earlier?
I can't find anything earlier
2004-10-18 is the first log? offly close to the start of hte logger. :)
no internet access most of the weekend.. what a pain :)
skunkworks: welcome back
:) thanks -- Looks like the release went well.
most of the developers have tried it, anyway
* skunkworks got a lot of house work done.
oh what fun
hmm they have robots for that you know
I wish. (building stairs and finishing trim)
although a friend has one and he's already looking to replace the batteries with lithium ones
skunkworks: ahh well that's not half as bad as cleaning :D
building stairs? What kind of house did you buy that it doesn't come with all the necessary stairs !?!?!
cough. cough - The one we are selling cough
have you considered just torching the place and collecting insurance?
jepler: damn , you just ruined it this is a public channel and logged
although I have yet to meet an insurance claims guy that knows what IRC is
well.. they probably know google
gotta run.. bbl
great - can't do that now.. Thanks jepler.
hi, what's up?
good morning awallin
2.1.0 is officially released
yep, I noticed the activity yesterday, nice.
did you do any more work on gdepth ?
nope, I haven't touched it in a few days
ok, at some point I will be interested in the code, but I'm trying to get a basic UI and some basic functions working first...
for this cam thing I'm planning
the code's online when you are ready
do you know how the g-code for 3D chips was created ?
that would be a fitting test-case for a cam program :)
no, I don't know
If I remember right it was done by Rab Gordon with Rhino to Vector.
* Jymmmm gives rayh a big ol bear hug... ltns!
is bwidget included in standard emc2 install?
Yes. It's used by AXIS, the config picker, and halshow.
tomp: but getting bwidget to work with the current vcpparse was not easy... if you are thinking about bwidget for pyvcp
i had a small tkinter app that didnt find fit, how do i get make 'known' ? so I can 'import bwidget'?
awallin: just lookin for now, no pyvcp intent
"package require BWidget"
awallin: I have some penguings in 3d format
[15:34:18] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/tux
alex_joni: thanks! hope you keep those online for a while, I will grab them when I need them, the stl is probably the only one in 3d format
they are there for a while now..
just don't lose the link :)
the image in dowloads witt a emc 2.1?
do you already have emc2.0 installed?
upgrade witt apt-get?
then just follow the update instructions for a quick update
let me find the url for you
[15:54:14] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.1
in section downloads
read that web page please
tche: you don't need the iso
no need to download 600MB for 6MB which you can get by following that page
this emc witt a halau?
this emc witt a halui?
THANKS FOR GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
god didn't do it, we did
welcome, hope you like it
tche: the changes are here: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=6744&release_id=482177
yes my faith in god
keystick is back????
jepler: maybe "package require BWidget" is tcl/tk speak? i'm trying to get python to "import bwidget" , but it fails with "ImportError: No module named bwidget" ( & I have bwidget1.7.0)
* Jymmmm is STILL waiting for RFC2324 to be implemented.
muito bom que o emc ja esta na versão 2.1
agora poderei usar o halui!
* Jymmmm was thinking about Jackie a couple days ago
agora poderei usar o halui!
tomp: yes, sorry -- that's tcl/tk speak
tomp: to 'import bwidget', you first need to have the sys.path hack that is in most of the python scripts that come with emc2:
tomp: to 'import bwidget', you first need to have the sys.path hack that is in most of the python scripts that come with emc2:import sys, os
BASE = os.path.abspath(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(sys.argv), ".."))
oops, excuse the bad paste
sys.path.insert(0, os.path.join(BASE, "lib", "python"))
that assumes that your python program is in bin/, and the python stuff is in lib/python
you can also use the emc-environment script
* jepler runs off to a meeting
great, will try the emc-env script but will look into the 'hack'
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/ (axis-limit.png axis.lyx): document the 'axis on limit switch' symbol. Improve discussion of home button and keystroke shortcuts
03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/ (axis-limit.png axis.lyx): merge from HEAD: limit switch symbol
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/ (g76.dxf g76.epsi main.lyx): merge from v2_1_branch: g76 documentation
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/ (9 files): bringing forward all packaging related items from the 2.1 branch
Dallur: does your THC add a height offset in HAL to EMC's requested Z?
cradek: yes, and substract it from the feedback
but I already said that to the guy a while ago..
guess I wasn't clear enough :D
hello folks... back from 3hrs of driving!!! what fun
I think my simple height sensor using an encoder will be the secret
sounds very fun
drove my sister back to her university... and then home.
strange to start working on it in january - he must be expecting it to take a while!
freak'n would have stayed and looked at the eye candy... but it's winter, and everyone's bundled up, so no skin, no figure, just winter jackets, gloves, and hats... kinda is pooh.
what's PID stand for again?
proportional, integrator, derivative
Kenneth Lerman mentioned a PID in his email.
it's a thing to tune a motor work after a certain feedback
so a PLC of sort?
or it is a PLC?
it's a loop
software (or analog hardware)
it takes the position feedback and the prescription as input
then calculates how it should drive the motor
so like "an encoder do motion" sort of thing?
so how's that different than a PLC + encoder + motor? isn't a PID just like a programmable logic controller? [I don't know, that's why I'm asking]
A-L-P-H-A: it's the simplest possible way to move a servo
the PLC usually implements a PID function
but the PLC is a device.. like a PC
you can't say the PC is a typing machine.. although it can be set up as one
* erDiZz gets some new information from this
Proportional, integral, derivative. A three mode control action where the controller has time proportioning, integral (auto reset) and derivative rate action.
A-L-P-H-A: there's a good intro on wikipedia, or in the integrators manual
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-5.10/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-6.06/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/cnc.menu: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/desktop-directories/cnc.directory: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/pixmaps/emc2icon.png: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/cnc.menu: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/desktop-directories/cnc.directory: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/pixmaps/emc2icon.png: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
is 2.1 testing or stable?
it has the same status as 2.0.x
every release is stable for ENC2 :)
SWPadnos: I avoided saying that :D
I could have said "no release is intended to be less stable" or something ;)
what happened to the old head/testing/stable hierarchy?
lerneaen_hydra: it got forgotten :D
now we make an release, and keep only bugfixes on that branch
so essentailly now there's only head and current release?
new improvements on TRUNK
after a while we decide it's time for a release, then we branch TRUNK again
and stabilize, clean that branch of bugs/problems
then we release
03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/emc2.postinst: don't need this hack on pre-2.2 yet :)
SWPadnos... I can't cancel my check... the funds have already left. :(
SWPadnos, I don't get a mesa for free.
I guess you'll just have to keep the boards then ...
SWPadnos, darn. :)
remember - it's not them you'd be screwing, it's me :)
SWPadnos... I know. ^_^
SWPadnos: you gotta screw back :D
I already have a partner, thanks
guess he won't like to discover the FPGA is missing from his 5i20 :D
oops.. did I say that in here?
how would be missing? it's soldered on. :P
I can desolder
or use a plier :D
well. wait... there is a green dot on it... so I can't tell what chip is on it.
or a milling machine
milling machine is nice
"hey - what's that rectangular hole in the middle of the board" :)
SWPadnos, what chip is actually on there anyways?
reminds me of some guys from russia that were in the reverse engineering business
there are a couple. one is a PLX 9030 PCI interface chip, the other is a Xilinx Spartan-2 200k gate FPGA
SWPadnos: they would recover firmwares from almost any microcontroller
especially the ones with read firmware encoding :)
right - zing off the top and look at it with a really good microscope / probe set
alex_joni, PHD students do that too...
putting logic analysers on address/data lines
that's what they were doing with satellite decoder cards.
not back in my day, they didn't
the smart cards...
A-L-P-H-A: that's different
it's one thing to crack an encription
some phd students... they were using a microscope (electron?) to read the chip to reverse engineer it.
it's another to mill off half the capsule, and start putting microscope probes in there
no clue... I'm a software guy
I had a nice teacher a while ago
dunno what was happening... so two people... one would say zero, one, and the other would write.
he thought me there are a lot of things software guys don't know
yet that's not true for HW guys :D
SWPadnos, so who do I go through the waranty with? you or mesa? :D
them, of course ;)
software is something one can learn on his own
A-L-P-H-A: but you need the original invoice and packaging .. :-P
SWPadnos. I got a copy of the invoices...
I sent copies of the invoice :P
I asked about that, actually. all you need is the invoice number and date
whichever... I'll just blame SWPadnos. :)
I'll balme Canada :)
I blame the americant (lack of) educational system.
what do I need to program this bad boy?
or can I do it via the pci?
I guess you'll haev to figure it out
since you have such a great eddicatin system
oops... forgot SWPadnos' better half is a teacher.
Americans:1, Canadians: nil
hey... the bitch is always on the bottom. :)
oh, you're young. I forgot
ha! JTAG isn't normally used, and can be programmed bia the PCI.
yay - yer ketchin' up
(you'll find that with EMC2, the HAL driver will optionally load a particular configuration for you)
* lerneaen_hydra is still the most wet-behind-the-ears person here
for better or worse
lerneaen_hydra, played more ut99?
nah, not yet
been busy with school
found awallin's page. :) http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/08/optoisolator-cards-for-mesa-5i20-servocard/
awallin, you should prob. upgrade to wordpress 2.1 :)
A-L-P-H-A: oh, to match emc's version number?
uh. sure. we'll go with that answer. :)
awallin, security fixes, and better html area input for posts.
have you done an upgrade to wp2.1? any troubles? I find that my theme always goes back to default at each upgrade...
awallin, your theme gets reset, cause you didn't make a separate, new theme.
awallin, if you upload, and replace everything, it's gonna over write your old theme.
but if you made /wp-contents/themes/awallin your current theme... it wouldn't be replaced.
ah, that might be a good idea, if the api to the theme will stay more or less constant for a while
I take it you're editing /wp-content/themes/default/header.php to adjust your header file? If you copy the folder, and edit the newly copied style.css file to reflect your theme... it won't be over written anymore.
it's been pretty consistant since WP1.5
when themes were introduced.
[18:49:54] <A-L-P-H-A> http://18.104.22.168/mn/
this is 2.0.7
I'll probably upgrade when I have extra time... probably a few weeks from now, the security issues can't ne that bad can they?
lerneaen_hydra: how wet?
awallin, umm... pages hijacked... so you should, when you get the chance.
A-L-P-H-A: that bad?...
at least go 2.0.7
awallin, I wouldn't worry too much... unless youwere making money from your blog.
I wasn't hungry earlier... but I still ate something... now, and 1hr later after I ate, I'm hungry.
are you a dog and your master's name is pavlov?
I'm no salivating.
and that was with a bell...
* lerneaen_hydra feels
alex_joni; a bit moist
I meant how old?
you don't want to know :p
oh I'm just being diffucult now
heh.. you are younger than me :)
not that there is anything bad in that statement ..
A-L-P-H-A: so I copied over my theme into a new dir under wp-content/themes, but it doesn't show up under the theme tab in the admin panel
alex: regarding that mail on the forum, capacitive sensors work with most materials and should work fine with pumpkins as far as I know
robin_sz: ehh meep
robin_sz: some guy on the mailing list wants to cut pumpkins
using a capacative height sensor to detect where it is?
and he needs a capacitive sensor in the knife because?
robin_sz: yup, automatic height ctrl
sounds unlikely to work to be honest ... not with any precision anyway
I suspect pumpkins are a somewhat variable dielectric, depending on how wet they are etc
I don't know pumpkins that well but I figured the moisture would be enough to set of the capacitive sensor
but I suspect it varies quite a bit
laser interferometry using a 3D scanner then ! :)
our die-board cutting machine has a travelling foot around the torch to sense the height of the plywood .. a servo drives the head to the correct height
that is how ours is also.
* anonimasu has been at work playing with the mill
very very nice..
does it move yet
been playing for 2 hours with it
and is it fast?
the vice weighs 56kg
anonimasu, how is your plasma table design going?
Martin_Lundstrom: waiting for rails
faced some block :)
to try some online programming
going to play with making programs tomorrow
is Dallur around?
he was here 10 mins ago
Dallur: you around?
Dallur, any tests yet with your plasma table?
Martin: not yet, still assembling
[19:36:23] <Dallur> http://dallur.com/index.php?id=44&tx_lzgallery_pi1[subg]=10&tx_lzgallery_pi1[showUid]=41
are pictures from last night
ok I hold my horses :)
Martin: i'm hoping next weekend
that's a lot of studs
LH: 154 :D
what's the working range?
LH: 2.5m x 6.5m
heh, not bad
what happens when you machine a stud by mistake?
say oops and replace it?
LH: designed to cut 2x6 plates full size
LH: yup, those studs are replaceable
how do you lift them onto the table?
LH: plate clamps
Dallur, thats the stuff for your boat!
are the studs just 1/4" carrige bolts?
who's that weird looking guy in the jumpsuit?
did he just run in there or something?
Dallur, I love it :)
eholmgren: it's a bit cold in there (around 2° C) and one of those guys is me
[19:39:28] <lerneaen_hydra> http://hologram.istheshit.net/?
eholmgren: i'm the wierd guy with the dark hair
hahaha, ejholmgren, excelent style
Dallur: did you make any new videos yesterday?
I wish you guys could have seen the expression on the faces of people when we trailered it across town to the facility ,,,, the tow car being a Suzuki Swift (Geo Metro) with a trailer extending over 8m
awallin: the other guy im building the boat with was working on encoding them and he did not upload any new ones so :/
awallin: I will let you know as soon as I got something better
hmmf Nice servo/motor combo on Ebay -> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=180078656595&rd=1&rd=1
awallin: If you want to see where the python object thing is I just put it on http://pastebin.ca/332166
Dallur: I wonder what the max rpm on that motor is, 8Nm continuous sounds like a lot
awallin: no idea, I was thinking it would make a nice retrofit for a lathe or a spindle for a mill
8Nm torque and 3000rpm would be 2.5 kW if I calculate correctly
Dallur: yeah, if it went up to really high rpm I could be interested, like 6000rpm would be very interesting already
awallin: it's 6000 rpm max
Dallur: yeah, it looks like that from the pdf sheet, H-model. I wonder what the rest of the letters mean
whats a 24-bit resolver??
I have no clue
yeah, though a resolver with 24 bit position output?
hm, it's for 3-phase mains, I don't have that in the shop
well a 5 kW drive would be 3-phase ofcourse
awallin: it's also for 3phase 220-240V, you probably have the same as we do 3phase 380-420V ?
Dallur: yeah, might be like that, I've worked very little with 3-phase things
heh ... I misread that as 70 oz/inch
oh cute little baby servo ... oops 1120 oz/inch
* eholmgren backs away as it growls at him
ok A-L-P-H-A, now I upgraded to wp 2.1
actually, now with wp 2.1 I get a much crappier post editor than with 2.0.6, I must have done something wrong?
nevermind, found it.
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (4 files): convert pluto-servo documentation to lyx
03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Submakefile index.tmpl): convert pluto-servo documentation to lyx
see you lerneaen_hydra
the most idiotic thing I've seen lately: http://www.hairy-mail.com/
just random surfing, or are you specifically googling for things like this? ;)
awallin: unfortunately I have friends that send me stuff like this
it's a curse
good night all
any metric users?
most of the world
what is more canonical, working in centimeters or milimeters ?
given a choice
eh, I'd have no idea..
for machining, mm is more common
that's all we do stuff in at work
even big stuff..
733mm and so on
Twingy, dimensions on the drawings are in millimeters _only_
anonimasu, kind of a simplification meant to be remembered
eh? :) seen this one? http://www.blastwavecomic.com/comics/31.jpg
freely mix meters, mm, and cm w/o any labeling in a drawing. makes for very entertaining results ;)
afterall, one must use the most natural 10 base system of labeling....conversion between them is a trivial matter of shifting the decimal point =)