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[08:38:54] <anonimasu> http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/zip/221922881.html
now that's some serious iron
alex_joni: we found my problem..
that would be a great machine..
yeah but the retrofit cost would be huge
shipping to sweden would be more
* alex_joni thinks more about the transport
oh.. there are several as larger machines here..
you could go pick it up i guess
I could fit one at work.. but well, I cant afford to retrofit one :)
getting any precision on a machine that large is serious $
* anonimasu is looking forward to trying the jogwheel tonight
sorta at least
im freezing :/
how cold is it near you anonimasu
dunno a few degrees I think
5 or 10
which city are you in?
it's snowing lots outside now
im cold because I didnt sleep last night
I tried to diagnose that stupid error on the mill :P
yeah it was axis "3" that's not supposed to exist that broke due to a config error
alvsbyn in norrbotten?
then I understand why it's so cold
where are you at?
so a bit further south ;)
skunkman is now known as skunkworks
* Lerneaen_Hydra is reminded of yesterday's frisky fawn discussion: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn10355&feedId=online-news_rss20
anonimasu: what ended up being the problem?
skunkworks: "axes = 4"
when it should have been 3
oh, it was called feisty fawn, right. still somewhat open to interpretation though :p
[12:16:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feisty
the second term is actually the one I thought of first
Try this address for searching the logs: http://188.8.131.52/cgi-bin/search.cgi
03flo-h 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/configure.in: fixed IMAGEDIR path, before was displayed instead of the path in emc.tcl
Lerneaen_Hydra: he mostly works on the german translation. I've never really gotten to know him.
he posts to the mailing lists occasionally as "Florian Hahn"
oh, ok. btw, has the swedish translation been implemented?
Lerneaen_Hydra: looks like there's a partial swedis translation of axis, but that's it
flo-h: thanks for checking in the configure.in change too
Lerneaen_Hydra: yes there are things missing .. strings are added and removed from axis from time to time, and nobody is paying attention to the translations
hi jeff, I dont't know much about teh configure things, but I'm trying to learn
is the .po in the cvs?
I'll take a look at it later, do you know of a translation app for kde?
I know there is one but I forget the name. kbabel?
yes I use ist too
it looks like the Makefiles do not do a "msgmerge", so your first step would be to run something like: msgmerge -U se_axis.po axis.pot
I wouldn't use the se translation myself, as I prefer an english interface
most operators I know however prefer a swedish interface
now that I have somone to ask..
how do you usually set zero?
on the Z axis on a mill
usualy I set it to the top of the material after I've done planing and other such stuff, so usually when I thouch off I set z to 1mm or so
so when the part is finished the highest bit is z=0
but what do you use?
or feeler gauge..
heh, at school they had a 3d "mätklocka"
works in all axis directions
costs around 3000kr
maybe I should buy one.
I personally wouldn't use that though for a small mill
they're a bit big & cumbersome
I would buy a basemaster
let me find an image
im googling for onw now
ah one of thoose
can't find an image. anyway it's a small cylindrical object that's magnetic on the base. you place it on top of your material and when the tool touches the top a LED lights up. the distance from top to bottom is very accuratly set to a certain value
also the top is spring loaded so it can move down around 6-7mm so it's not mashed
I found one
it requires that the workpeice is electrically connected to the tool though
shouldn't be all too expensive
my retailer sells them
[13:11:28] <anonimasu> http://www.smaskin.se/
as for X&Y a standard old-school... uh, what are they called, it's an axle with a ball at the bottom, and the axle is connected in a ball-socket, so it can be set off center, if you do that and get closer to the workpeice when the tool is rotating the axle will move to the side when you've reached the distance of the balls radius from the workpeice
I'm not sure if that makes any sense
x and y isnt usually a problem
though Z is
[13:15:15] <anonimasu> http://www.ss-maskin.com/PDF/vps.jpg
hm.. what do you do without a meter and such?
I guess the höjdinställningsfixtur is similar
that still dosent give you the ( spindle to workpiece ) distance
unless you have a home switch on the table..
and work with the workpiece as a offset to that..
I'm feeling lazy .. but here's the log anyways: http://184.108.40.206/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-10-24#T13-26-52
13:30 < Lerneaen_Hydra> I guess the höjdinställningsfixtur is similar
place that on top of the workpeice
then move spindle down untill the device shows distance D on the display, then in touch-off in axis insert D+planing-material
hm yeah you are right
the device you showed at first probably is the best
best/easiest to use
teh deivce shwon at first?
err. the device shown at first?
did they have that there too?
I didn't see it before
I think they have it in their catalog..
they sell "vertex"
but you need to ask them :)
does it say how much they cost?
I think they were..
is that's oriental motors?
not that bad, iirc they're ground to very accurate dimensions
"Vertex" that's a driver from them.
verted sells tooling
+ - a few µm IIRC
[13:41:32] <anonimasu> http://www.ss-maskin.com/PDF/hp.jpg
the electronic ones are expensive..
the ones you can hook to your control ;)
5µm is a bit crappy
the one for 1990 seems like the one I've used before
[13:47:18] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/vi/9436378.htm?ca=1_12_s
damn lots of nice stuff for sale..
edm for 5000sek
[13:48:25] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/vi/9232804.htm?ca=1_12_s
and lots of cnc lathes
03flo-h 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: added more i18n
03flo-h 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/show_errors.tcl: added more i18n
* Lerneaen_Hydra pokes anonimasu
* alex_joni pokes Lerneaen_Hydra
(quick anon, poke alex and close the circle)
* anonimasu pokes alex
* alex_joni has a shield up
the poke from anonimasu bounces off to Lerneaen_Hydra
* Lerneaen_Hydra melts into a pile of goo on the floor
* Lerneaen_Hydra regenerates
ALPHA-EMC: THE CAPS DAY WAS A WHILE AGO
is ALPHA-EMC A-L-P-H-A?
ALPHA-EMC is now known as a-l-p-h-a_EMC
it should be A-L-P-A_EMC though
how come there's no upgrade package for apt-get for emc2.0.4?
a-l-p-h-a_EMC: how do you mean?
there should be
check your /etc/apt/sources.list
k... I'll recheck it in a sec
need an allergy pill... sneezing like there's no tomorrow
* alex_joni thanks the internet for beeing spared to see that live
at least it's not my lungs
ok, looks good
that's the sources.list not the sources.list.d
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
or use dpkg -l emc2 to check for the existing version
hahaha... cuase I'm already running it
might be a reason :P
it should have been in the list of automatic updates
but there were some ubuntu updates, so you probably missed the emc2 one
how on earth did people do software updates before apt-like systems?
Lerneaen_Hydra: you don't wanna know/remember
Lerneaen_Hydra: have you used windows lately? every piece of software has its own update system.
jepler: all too often
(more of a rhetoric question=
jepler: that is soo true
jepler: manual compiles...
Freak'n neon power switch light A/C...
how do non-debian systems do package management? (and avoid dependency-hell)
so I tried to give it 12VAC.
okay... should have gave it prbably something higher... but nah... I give it 115VAC.
alex_joni: similar system?
sizzle sizzle, spark. smoke.
Lerneaen_Hydra: if you have an online repository yes
glad I didn't electrocute myself.
hi alex. I have a question: What will be in the next release of emc2,? is there a branch or will ist base upon head?
flo-h: it will be branched at some point
then it will go through a bug-fix only phase
then the release
I wouldn't be surprised if there was another 2.0.x release too
flo-h: /join #emc-devel
there's already one bugfix since 2.0.4
jepler: sure.. no problem with that
alex_joni: so 2.1.x isn't branched yet?
jepler: by now everyone should have the repo updated to linuxcnc.org
Lerneaen_Hydra: not yet
it's all in HEAD so far
is EMC getting/still getting money/sponsoring from NIST?
besides the initial development
EMC has been developed by NIST employees with US fundings
after the research was open it was released PD
since then it's an open source project without sponsoring
and the NIST time was a long time ago?
before 2000 I think
oh, so EMC is quite new then
I'd have to look it up
it's not that important
started in '96 or so
and complete recode with emc2?
what was the pause code again? M07
2004 I think
M1 / M2 ?
m2 is end
M1 is optional stop
and you can resume
[14:24:29] <alex_joni> http://axis.unpy.net/files/gcode.html
M0 it is
looking for that reference page from jepler
yeah that page
jepler: halelujah gui?
Lerneaen_Hydra: an unfinished "schematic editor" for HAL configurations. http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/hallelujah5.png
now *that* looks useful
it looks more useful than it is right now
just OOC, is backlash-comp on the backburner?
out of curiosity
recently we accepted some patches to improve backlash compensation, and also screw irregularity compensation.
was that the quadratic interpolation table-based system?
umm could be
I don't know the details of either one
there's a table with nominal, + dir and - dir values and their offsets
and used some quadratic smoothing algorithm to fill the blanks
* Lerneaen_Hydra wishes he could code C and add css & units/rev
I can't figure out how to clap this heat sink down to machine it.
I think I'll throw more clamps at it
anonimasu: how's your emc2 experience so far?
alex_joni: oh.. im soon giving up on it
everything works :D
im going to look at the joghweel today :)
did you ever try emc1 ?
I know you looked at emc a while back.. but can't remember if that was pre-emc2
emc1 was a mess
the tp sucked..
I tried emc2 at the time but there were no usc drivers
remember what platform that was on?
or what do you mean?
was that bdi-4.x already?
it was before the mess with a new tp started..
ok, somehow like I remembered
2 years or so :)
* anonimasu is amazed at how nicely emc2 works
anonimasu: and you haven't even scratched the surface ;)
One thing that I don't know about - I still see funkyness with offsets and axis. in mdi I will change to g56 - if I don't reload the program - the cone cuts in lala land. not a big deal - just odd.
oh, for me it takes a long time (5 seconds or so) to switch between mdi and manual, and after entering an mdi command it takes around 3-6 seconds for the command to start
programs also take around that long
could be my base_period that's too close I guess
Lerneaen_Hydra: wow - never seen tath
what happens if you raise your base period?
I'm running a semi-old head though
it's 25k IIRC
and was stable at 20k, other windows are rather snappy
I haven't tested raising it more yet
what kind of computer?
sounds like a 200mhz class
PIII 800mhz, 384 (or something around there)
running 6.06 fully updated
how long does it take you to start an mdi command or switch between mdi and manual=
skunkworks: the AXIS authors don't use coordinate systems besides G54, so there are probably bugs lurking there.
skunkworks: but doing MDI commands that change the coordinate system, like issuing G56, is expected to make the preview and the cone/backplot not match up
if you switch away from G54, features like touch-off probably stop working too
jepler: it isn't a big deal - If I am changing between coordinate systems I have found reloading the ngc file fixes backplot issues. (I just sometimes forget ;))
every thing else runs as expected.
Lerneaen_Hydra: I don't see any delay at all.
even after issuing a command?
yes - instantanious(sp)
(and after the movement is completed)
maybe I should test a new cvs checkout
Lerneaen_Hydra: it would also be nice to know if this happens on an unmodified sample configuration, like sim/axis.ini or sim/tkemc.ini
I don't think my hal is that bloated yet though ;)
worth testing nonetheless
time to try the jogwheel..
if the encoder I have is ok