darn I missed alex
I guess we'll do the release tomorrow
what did you need from him?
the dapper packaging?
no I think I can do both of them
I just wanted to talk to him first I guess
nobody has said anything about my mail to -board
the heads up one?
I think silence means agreement
I guess I just wonder if you guys think that's all the bugs
I do have the dapper package done (matching RELEASE_2_0_4 tag)
I saw the tagging go by
I'm fine with releasing what we have right now
I did test the sources.list updating
I must admit that instead of doing something usefull like testing, I'm drooling over new systems
looking for a new machine?
dunno if I'm gonna make the jump soon or not, but I want to replace the farm with VMs, and that is my excuse for a fast new box
fast on a budget anyway
maybe smp would be nice for that
you sure need lots of ram
yeah, and ISTR problems with RTAI and more than 1G ram
when I was using vmware a lot, I was happier when I went from 512 to 768M
also have no clue how the new systems will do for RT
yeah as far as I know, those problems are NOT solved
paolo says he doesn't have that much so he can't work on it, and I notice nobody has offered him any
I'm not sure how critical running a RT kernel is going to be for the new system
if I was in his place I'd expect to get some ram in the mail if someone wanted it fixed
well if he wants ram in the mail he needs to be specific
if his mobo doesn't have many slots, he'd probably have to replace, not just add
I don't know if he even expects/wants that, that was my idea.
my nvidia and realtime kernel are out of sync now, so I can't test the release very well (no opengl).
* cradek spits on nvidia
if you were buying new, what graphics would you get? ATI?
I really wish I knew
I think some of the ATI work well with the Free drivers
no idea if they're realtime-safe
I'd ask SWP for advice, but his systems are all gold plated
I'm looking for max bang for the buck
opteron 165 CCBBE lot code: $160
motherboard (socket 939): $120-$190 or so
To me video cards are worth about $40 and you can get a decent dual-screen nvidia for that
looks like Intel Core 2 E6300 or E6400 wins in the price performance competition now
could be at this point, though I'm not sure it'll be any better with virtualization
AMD has done a lot on that front
if you were planning to do video encoding, I'd go fro the Intel
I'm planning to do normal desktop stuff, plus run about 5 VMs
I'd definitely go with AMD then
the VMs and the main system will all run 24/7, but the VMs won't be doing much most of the time
you're better off with dual processors than dual core, baut that adds a lot to the MB price
I don't want to go there
at least that's the case with AMD - Intel it doesn't matte
the 165 is dual core
the E6300 is about $200, and I'd want to spend no more than that on a mobo
to make it worse, my system is agp
what's the drawback of dual core?
I thought it was the same
so up to $400 for CPU+mobo combination? what's the RAM for the Intel (DDR2?)
it only has one memory bus for both cores
do dual caore systems show up as two seperate CPUs in 'top'?
dual channel DDR2
dual CPUs with Intel also share the same memory bus
robin_sz: even HT chips do
dual-chip AMD designs have two buses, so roughly double the memory bandwidth
dual chip as in two sockets?
so, how is that different from a emt64 Xeon then?
bet that takes it well out of the $400 range then
they comminucate with each other (and share memory) via HyperTransport, so the added bandwidth is actually available
not by much, I think
also you end up with 4x 1G ram instead of 2x2G
my last system was $300 total, case, mobo, CPU, 512M ram, and video
(not that you have to use 2G DIMMs, or that you have to have 4G total ;)
this one will obviously be more
I think so
last box I bought was a dual EMT64 Xeon ... you get 4 lines of CPU in 'top'
but I don't want to go nuts with it
wait until Christmas, and give yourself $1500 or so (total), $1000 if you don't want a monitor
1G memory, 2x512M, is $129
don't need a monitor
ok - you'll keep the LCD you have
yes I have a two cpu + HT system at work, shows up as 4 cpus
but I'm thinking more like $600 or so
ok, no problem. is a 250G hard drive enough for you?
]wait till AFTER christmas ;)
150 mobo, 200 CPU 120 RAM, 80 video, 80 disk
no CD/DVD drive?
I probably have one laying around
and everything aelse scavenged (KB, mouse ...)
I have a kvm, so that stuff is shared
saw a case for $4.99 ;-)
I needed a slow but reliable sort of exra box for work, spotted a 900mhz dell poweredge for £30 on ebay .. bif and got it ...
(44.99 - 40 rebate)
add a budget for a good power supply
when it turned up, it was actually a lot of two identical machines :)
I guess the disk should be sata
save the 1 IDE connector for the cdrom drive
you can get a fast (though not dual core) CPU + 250G hard drive for $200 from NewEgg
there should still be 2 IDE connectors
I was looking at info on intel 975 chipset mobos, and most have only 1
dunno about amd
all the AMDs I've seen have 2
though I've only seen a few different models so ...
the benchmarks threw me toward intel, because they show the core2 cpus blowing away amd
but thats not running VMs
benchmarks at what though?
my existing system is AMD, and I have no problems with that
they added good cirtualization support to the rev E chips
tom's hardware has a bunch of CPU benchmarks
I wonder if they've switched back to being Intel fanboys?
wonder which one most resembles VM loading
think about power as well - this will be on all the time, right?
but it will replace the existing farm with its 5 spinning hard disks...
heh - point taken ;)
like most PCs, it will be running the idle task most of the time
(on all the VMs as well)
is there an E6300, or was that supposed to be E6400?
one thing I'm wondering about is how the VMs will play together... when a VM is doing "nothing", how much physical ram will it use... hopefully it will free most of it
it in the TH benchmarks
+I don't see ...
no, the VM uses all the RAM you have configured as soon as it starts
it can be swap, but I think that's how it goes