when you guys mill something, does it cause amount of vibration noises? I have stuff in the chip pan, but still... I wouldn't expect it to be that noisy.
you might be pushing it too hard
calculated feeds and speeds is one thing... getting it "right" for your particular machine and setup is another
theres no substitute for practice
you might want to use feedrate override and gradually increase the feed
what are you cutting? steel, alum, stainless, inconel? ;-)
jmkasunich: ... I was endmilling a side of a heat sink...
1/2" cutter IIRC
Z depth was maybe 1/8"-3/16"...
and how wide?
any lube or coolant/
but not even really... as it was ball nosed.
Inconel dry hss bit =)
solid or tipped?
personally I don't like carbide for home shop use
the machines aren
jmkasunich how come?
the machines aren't rigid or powerfull enough to use it to its full potential, and HSS is usually _sharper_
i got 3 for like $20cdn...
or 5 for $20...
it was a steal to say no
the cutting edges of carbide tools usually have a tiny radius on them. On a rigid machine it doesn't matter, you take a thick chip, and the radius means theres no brittle edge to chip off under pressure
but with a light machine, you often can't take that deep of a chip, so you find yourself cutting with that dull edge
"tiny radius" = 0.002" or so
as opposed to razor sharp for a good HSS tool
anyway, back to what I was suggesting
set the feedoverride low, start a cut, and gradually increase it. Let your ears be your guide - if the machine sounds unhappy, back off
and use some lube - don't need much, just enough to keep chips from sticking to the tool
I use wd-40 for aluminum, plain ole kerosene would work too
just give the tool a spritz at the start of the cut, and ever couple minutes as you go along
jmkasunich: just spray it?
while it's cutting?
like just a spurt every couple of seconds?
every minute or so should be enough
you're not trying to do flood cooling, just keep the tool slippery so the chips slide off instead of melting on to it
okay... wd40 ain't that bad... I have water soluable (sp) oil which I could use... like a 10 (water) : 1 (oil) ratio is sprayable... 20:1 would be mistable.
I don't like that stuff - you have to clean it up well, or it goes rancid or makes stains on the table
if I was doing serious cutting and wanted flood cooling that would be different
this should be required reading for every machinist: http://yarchive.net/metal/empirical_feed_rates.html
I don't get this stupid tostitos commercial.
the guy does the 3 monty trick, but you clearly see him lifting the chip/tostito from one cup... but everyone around there is surprised.
Done, not bad for the second block.
stupid time got shifted 3hrs ahead
where is everyone??
in a time warp
long day at work?
then family obligations
I like it at home best
okay... I'm confused as to how to properly install some software.
azureus, has a whole folder, and binaries runnable.
err. just a sh file...
so should I just put that folder in /usr/local/bin/azureus?
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtai_rtapi.c:
set the task->state before suspending, in case the current task is the one
being suspended. restore old state if it fails.
print a message for one cause of failure rtapi_task_start
fenn's mean. :)
i have /usr/local/azureus/azureus
where /usr/local/azureus is the whole directory
make a symbolic link to it in /usr/local/bin
that's the normal way of doing things?
its the easy way
heh. "Heck, I'd RTFM if there was a FM for me to FR."
03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtl_rtapi.c: set task->state to paused _before_ suspending the task, in case the current task is the one to be suspended
fenn: real men don't read manuals.
K`zan: wouldn't this be more your boat? http://www.lathemaster.com/Benchtop%20Bandsaw.htm
A-L-P-H-A: Might be saved the URL, will look at it later.
can't sleep. :(
hey... I do'nt know how those knarwlers (sp) work...
I have a sissor one, so that's easy... it just clamps on, and you tighten... the harder you tighten the deeper the grooves.
K`zan: what'd you use to make this? http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyMachineShop/Tools/Catchup-092606/v200609171558-004.jpg
I'm logging. I don't understand '!bookmark', A-L-P-H-A. Try /msg logger_aj help
A-L-P-H-A: Cannon S-2 IS and the image gallery tool out of konqueror...
A-L-P-H-A: And I hacked that in the bluefish editor.
Re the question you asked earlier
A-L-P-H-A: Cannon S-2 IS and the image gallery tool out of konqueror...
A-L-P-H-A: And I hacked that in the bluefish editor.
K`zan: I'm talking the chip guard.
the accordian thing
Oh, that, ordered it off ebay.
ALong with the knurler :)
man... I'm suck for transparencies...
Office Supply Store :).
I can't type.
I'm tired but couldn't sleep.
feel all this anxiety not able to machine at night... [too noisy]
:-) slower speeds and feeds :).
I machine until 0200 or so here :).
But neither the uMill or mini-lathe makes that much noise to begin with. Hehe, finally found an advantage over real machines :-) :-) :-)!
my machine is just a tad bigger than yours... and it REALLY doesn't help that it's on this shitty ass sheet metal stand.
seriously contemplating of building a tube steel table/bench for it.
Uh, yeah, that could contribute a lot to the problem. Mounted on a drum :-).
Sounds like a plan. Sheet metal would be pushing it IMO with what I have.
windows is broken (missing some sys file), but I don't want to fix it, as I've got torrents running.
Got the mill on a about 3/4" ply and well re-enforced table.
The lathe is on a 1/2" board sitting on top of a hollow door table - that is scary, it would rock the cover veneer without the board, thought it was going to go through :).
The board bridges the two support studs, so it is pretty stable now.
yeah... my mill would just fall through that.
Really didn't like the noises coming out of the gear train while fly cutting today (0.001 MAX / pass), but none broke. Will be glad when the belt drive kit gets here.
it's on gears?
Yep and plastic gears at that <shudder>.
Rattles and roars :-).
My micro t'rex :-).
I think I am just going to get the xylotex anyway.
Can upgrade later and that will let me get going NOW.
Need to figure out what micro-stepping would be best, if any.
when do you think you'll be CNCd?
2wks from now?
TV channel :-), Futurama is on :).
seen all futurama.
Next month early I should have all the parts and start assembling.
new eps are supposed to come out... don't know when though.
they got another lease on life... another 13 or so eps.
Not sure I see the point of paying him $100 to put 6' cables on the steppers and set the bias (vref).
Cool, that show is about twisted enough :).
K`zan: so is american dad... I saw my first episode, and I was like WTF? I like family guy as well.
nothing is sacred. :D
Never seen the former and not real enthralled with the latter, but I will watch it, if it is on.
Might as well plan on going with 8 steps
Also got to get the old Thunderbird 1100 together and get EMC on it.
And find a place to put it in there :-).
wanna see a screenshot of my deskop? http://22.214.171.124/~alpha
wow... 4.1 megs for a screen shot of my desktop?!
Got broadband, np...
need some more desktop candy
ha! figured it out.
Nice, probably the first thing I will do with it is to emerge kde.
I never was a fan of kde.
At least I got enough coffee roasted for a few days,
gnome's foot was cuter... and more slick looking to me way back.
Lots of good tools and I have been using it long enough to get used to it :).
gnome ain't got nothing useful for it :-(.
Nice file browser, but that is about it.
Several people I know and respect like it, but I can't see why.
if you need an all in one tool.
OE for linux :-(.
Outhouse Express (windoz fiasco).
Or whatever it stands for.
there's an outlook express for linux?
or it runs under wine?
yeah, evolution :-).
bah, you're remarks confuse me.
You obviously need sleep to cope with my superior intellect :-).
Actually all that cranking worse me out, about time for me to fall over too.
I think I need to back off the gibs a bit.
you play sudoku?
No, sure don't.
know what it is?
I fly helicopters in flight sim :)
Some oriental game, I gather.
Another delusional mac user :-).
Fortunately I threw all mine in the dumpster a couple years back, I'm no longer deluded :-).
[06:17:43] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.quazen.com/Recreation/Models/Top-5-RC-planes-under-$100.1912#q
more fun that sims.
Picoo Z! I've been lusting after an RC Helo for probably 20 years now...
and $30... hahaha
go figure... :) I just don't go to starbucks for two weeks...
32 pounds, about $80 more or less.
Starbucks, jeez, why not just drink of of a porta-potty and save the $$$ and get a better beverage!
that I think is in USD
Actually roasting my own has sorta spoiled me.
I wonder if those 4 wire steppers are really 8 wire internally.
my friend roasts his own coffee too, with a popcorn popper.
That is what I use, a hot air popper.
Not sure I like the idea of an IR control system... But did find it for $32 plus shipping.
ebay is almost always a rip...
go to toys r us
There is one not too far from here. Can't be worse than ebay. $9.95 product $45 shipping...
Just finished reading the Master and Commander series, sorry to be done with it :-/.
I bought something for 1#, and 24# shipping... so cost me 25#... still cheaper than the $75CDN + tax I had to pay
if I were to have bought it locally
Sometimes you can, but not often and you really gotta root.
The way cover and knurler were a rational deal, but I don't see that often.
K`zan: how much pressure do you need to knurl something with that?
like how does that knurler work? you just allow it to roll up against the part?
Not really sure, seemed like a lot, but it didn't defect the 1/2" aluminum that I noticed. Need to do more of it...
I like mine... there is no deflection possible... as it's scissor action applies the pressure onto the part... I should go photo some of my tools... another time
A friend of mine also wants to get into machining so I started documenting what I got for him and just sorta kept it up. Was keeping a spreadsheet, but somone pointed out that was probably not a wise thing to post online.
a spreadsheet with prices and credit card info? :)
No just prices, I'm not that dumb and these days don't need to be :-).
mine is like this... http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://littlemachineshop.com/products/images/1730.jpg&imgrefurl=http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php%3FProductID%3D1730&h=382&w=480&sz=25&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=9VN-JPrDUZwjCM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dscissor%2Bknurler%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN
but was beefier
come to think of it... http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.finelinehair.com/home/knurler_scissor_type_bottom.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.finelinehair.com/home/knurlers.htm&h=217&w=640&sz=27&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=Xic54c_xX0v0fM:&tbnh=46&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dscissor%2Bknurler%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN
maybe this one
Supposed to be good ones, some of the folks been saying it fits the tool holder poorly on the 7x10/12s
Seems an easy fix though.
perhaps I should machine one
my one is kind of worn
Just replace the knurls?
I have one of thoose standard knurlers..
Mine's like the first one of that last link
I don't like the side forces going into my lathe spindle bearing...
that's the one I want..
not exactly hard to machine.
might be a nice little project
two identicle pieces, pinned together with a toolpost handle.
I will be SO glad to get CNC going here. My wrist ACHE after today and I didn't do that much.
anonimasu: add some spots for bearings too! :D
anonimasu: you got a CNC mill?
A-L-P-H-A: in the knurlers?
A-L-P-H-A: 80% done
anonimasu: nah... those could just be 1/4" pins.
anonimasu: how's the hyrdraluic pump/spindle going?
1½ axis left and a spindle
i need to order a toolholder adapter today
are you retrofitting it? or what are you doing?
* A-L-P-H-A see's toothpics and popsicle sticks.
err im am retrofitting a mill, but I'm building a spindle
A-L-P-H-A: a schaublin sv13 ;)
I got a Schaublin 102. :D
it'll probably be a great cnc
it's sacrelige almost..
The belt drive kit comes with new spindle bearings, but I am really paranoid about trying to change them.
it was retrofitted for me...
but I had a spare..
err a manual one too
anonimasu: that tool has such precision and repeatability in it.
the table had less then 0.01~ over the whole travel
on the one im building cnc on
I don't think I would have done it myself... but it was already done... essentially it he just popped off the handles and put XL timing gears on them, and put a pin into the gear to make a handle.
swiss made iron is beautiful.
it's a lot of work though
* anonimasu nods
anonimasu: doesn't look bad... doesn't even look that ghetto... and it's made it's money back already... so I don't care. :D
I cant wait to run it
[06:56:14] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Lathe_Related/
thoose things are so amazing
I usually say watchmakers made them
I even was able to sell the schaublin handles... I think I sold them for like $50USD, so at the time like $80CDN.
it is a a jewellers lathe...
watchmakers that got tired of small gears ;)
if I want to buy that think brand new... it's like $18K euros.
I don't know how to make the euro symbol in linux.
and that's just the basic no frills lathe.
no turret yet...
I think im going to move it today
and just a simple tailstock (if it's even included)
I avhe one axis that's pretty heavy
err 2 that is
anonimasu: go get some photos!
need to checkk if I should order larger servos
going to work
anonimasu: bring a camera!
Good Afternoon alex_joni
Just a quick note about the "delay" message
I tried the adding the PCI video, and had the alarm as well
I will try a different MB and video (AGP) today
Also the M-codes M1xx react differently in the Head version/ even with the direct path as suggested.
Well it's off to work
Skunkworks mentioned grinding mirrors .. today I saw: http://www.turbofast.com.au/astrotel/mirrorgrinding.html
jepler: thanks - I have way to many interests.
from what I read - grinding and polishing is the reletivly easy part. parbolising is what is a pain in the ass
I think parbolising may be what Uncle Ben does to rice
my father had ground a 4 inch blank when he was younger - but that size you can get by with a sphirical mirror.
co-worker has a schmitt-casigran(sp) that actually uses a sphirical mirror and corrects for it by the other optics.
(kinda reminds me of the hubble ;))
* alex_joni did the first drawings today
with my small router :)
yeah.. works great
so.. I started doing some tests and tweaks to the config
and I got to the conclusion it's not nice to keep restarting it and re-home everytime
are you thinking of some way of saving the position at shutdown?
or something else entirely
SWPadnos: lets move it to emc-devel
Skunkworks: it's a bit wild to have 20000 steps / mm .. isn't it :)
But awefully cool =)
Jymmm: not quite
it limits speed a lot
I can only get 10mm/sec or so
Who needs speed when you have precision =)
Jymmm: I don't really need that precision
Z is only 400/mm
Me neither, but the marketing dept can use and abuse that tidbit of information =)
Skunkworks: yeah.. 200 steps motor, 10 microsteps, 1 turn /mm
ah mm - I have 2540 steps per inch on x andy
x and y
so yah - I could see that.
2540/inch is a nice resolution
ah - we had issues when oour z as it started out 20000 steps per inch
we have it down to 10000
depends how fast you want to go whether that's a problem
200-300 ipm :)
cradek: at 2000/mm it gets to a problem fast
z is stuck at around 100ipm if I remember
2000 steps/mm must just crawl.
I got to 10mm/sec
600 mm/min = ~23IPM
so thats about 50800 steps per inch?
Just trying to put it into perspective
[16:16:15] <Jymmm> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/247136/kenny_rogers_on_jackass/
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/.swish_config: if files are not indexed as text, some contents are mysteriously lost. but this also makes swish complain about files that contain binary data, like pngs and that .BIT file
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/classicladder.c: fix warning
hmmmmmmm evolution is about to be tossed.
how do you add multiple people to an email??
A-L-P-H-A, have you tried typing multiple addresses into the To: field (separated by commas)?
I tried ","
I tried ";"
I didn't try space...
did you check the help?
but my addressbook wouldn't even show the entries I entered in there.
SWPadnos: nope... but honestly, if it's something that simple, it should have been intuitive.
I suspect it's intuitive enough, once you know the answer ;)
one of those "oh, duh" thinkgs
don't care now... I reverted back to my favourite... thunderbird.
that works too
probably... but thunderbird is just simple intuitive... and I know jymmm would say different, easy enough to backup.
one thing that annoyed me about both of those was that there was no easy way to import mail from Mozilla 1.7.x
that I don't know...
I ended up installing mozilla onto my wife's machine because of that
see, I use imap... where everything is copied to multiple computers if setup that way,or just left on the server, or any combination
though copying mail over from her old Windows drive to her new Ubuntu install was pretty painless
holy shit this computer I'm fixing's fan is LOUD as hell.
it's a high pitched whine
IMAP would be great. once I set up my home server, I'll implement that for both of us
yeah... my buddy did imap to grab everything from all his accounts, and dump them into one.
must oil that bloody fan.
I used to try oiling fans - Never had good luck. They would start acting up after a month.
you have to use the right kind of oil
I think something like sewing machine oil is preferred ;)
(maybe 3-in-1, but I think that gathers dust)
yah. I have tried quite a few.
it is funny - I have found many fans that have a sticker saying ball bearing - and they are bushing.
jepler says he bought a "ball bearing brand" fan
hi all, is there an archive of working ini files?
emc2 always comes with some nice sample files
for installed 2.0, they are in /etc/emc2/sample-configs
cradek: never thought about it that way. Sneeky little buggers.
SWPadnos: 3-in-1, with a new sticker.
thanks cradek, but the acceleration and velocity information are way off
scale, velocity and acceleration are the most common things you have to change when configuring a machine
I understand, but I am new to this and I can't get any repeatability
maybe we should step back and you can describe the problem you're having
puppy linux emc2 running off of cd
default install just makes motors buzz
using xylotex, xylotex hal, 497 oz/in motors
kdibble: Did you adjust the current setting on the xylotex board?
used default settings, bought xylotex system ready kit
kdibble: Again, Did you adjust the current setting on the xylotex board as eper the instructions that were sent with it?
No I didn't adjust anything, it was supposed to be preconfigured. Check voltage at 26.5VDC
also a wrong scale could give wildly wrong apparent acceleration/velocity - do you know what the scale (step pulses per inch or mm) is for your setup?
kdibble: WHO says it was? Jedd sends those boards out at ZERO volts .
Becasue most don't actually rtfm =)
Jymm: Jeff said it was, that was the purpose of buying a system read kit instead of pieces
sounds like a good thing to check too then (I know nothing about xylotex)
cradek: 4000 steps/in
kdibble: I'd check it anyway, a lil pot and jump around in shipping.
kdibble: great, did you check that your ini is set to scale 4000 for all axes?
Jymm: what else to check besides voltage?
kdibble: maybe you should try reducing vel and accel by a factor of 10 to see if you can get any motion
kdibble: Not voltage, the Vref setting.
kdibble one per axis.
if these are all new untested pieces, we don't have any clues as to where the problem is
cradek: there are multiple velocity and acceleration settings per axi
Jymm: ok, will check
for testing you could change just the TRAJ section's MAX_VELOCITY and MAX_ACCELERATION
I guess you have to change DEFAULT_* in there too if you reduce the MAXs
cradek ok, brb gonna look at the vrefs
I don't know exactly what you're starting with on puppy
often they're a bit behind on the emc versions, not sure what they're using today
if you have broadband and/or intend to install on a hard disk, I recommend the ubuntu-based emc live cd on linuxcnc.org, which has the latest release, emc 2.0.3 on it
Jymm: VRefs all set to 2.1V
cradek: box I am using only has 128M ram so ubuntu wont install
kdibble what voltage is your PS ?
breezy would - wouldn't it?
yes I'm sure breezy will install on that
I think breezy would install using the "server" install only
kdibble: you have waht 400 in/oz steppers? What sthe voltage of them?
oh maybe I'm wrong, this table gives 64 for "server" (text-mode) install and 128 for regular
Jymmm: I got the steppers with the kitm here is the url to the steppers:
[18:36:50] <kdibble> http://www.xylotex.com/497ozin.htm
ok it's good to know breezy is an option even without more ram
kdibble: if your drives are enabled and you try to turn a motor shaft, can you turn it?
ok your voltages are probably set right, or close enough then
It isn't that it doesnt work at all, it just doesnt work right
if you run emc and turn the jog speed way down, can you jog an axis?
I can move all axes
even with the jog speed turned up?
or with a set distance in tkemc
no, just to a moderate speed
that could be a velocity or acceleration problem
are these steppers hooked to anything?
you will have to experiment to see what works reliably
it appears to be,
skunkworks: yes on machine
try turning the acceleration down somewhat, so you can hear a gentle accel and decel
then find your max velocity
cradek: been experimenting for days, that's why I asked if there were known working ini files available
then increase accel to find a high value that's still reliable
well I don't know what's on puppy, but all the sample configs are "working" on someone's machine
cradek I can't find any value that will go the specified distance repeatedly
it's not a matter of distance
maybe pastebin your current ini file.
kdibble: could you pastebin your current settings uh... www.pastebin.ca
steppers lose power the faster they go. you need to find the speed that's fast but still has enough power. this will be unique to your machine only and no sample config will help you find it.
Maybe my assumptions are incorrect, I thought If i told it to go a certain distance and it didn't something was broken
machine not on net, I'll have to sneakernet it
does it go the same distance each time - just wrong. Or does it go random distances each time?
kdibble: the machine has no feedback from your cnc system. We'll have to know how many steps your motor takes, any gearing between the motor and drive shaft (lead screw, ballscrew, rack/pinion). The TPI (or equiv,) of said drive shaft.
what microstepping if any...
skunkworks close to the same distances, but forward and reverse are different i.e. ask for 1.000 go forward .995 reverse .993
kdibble: that's probably backlash.
A-L-P-H-A: 1/4 microstepping
the amount of slop between the nut and drive shaft.
no, on the dial, not actual
kdibble: bad stepper motor? [worse case]
but I doubt that.
I wouldn't know
kdibble: could be your missing steps, like the delay is too low...
delay = cycle time
I think you should follow my advice about finding appropriate acceleration and velocity
cradek: I'll try
cradek: is the guru... listen to him.
A-L-P-H-A: thanks I'll look at cycle time
cycle time is not a delay, that's on the wrong track
cradek: okay... I don't doubt that... but could you explain what cycle time is? Just the amount of time before the next pulse?
cradek: I'll try your advise, Anything else
any pictures of your machine? :)
nope it sounds like it almost works, you just have to tweak those numbers
skunkworks, not yet
A-L-P-H-A: the various cycle times are how often emc runs various parts of itself
A-L-P-H-A: when a userspace part of emc (such as "task" or "io") has nothing to do, it sleeps for its CYCLE_TIME.
I don't think the [AXIS_n] CYCLE_TIME is used though it's still in some sample configs
nothing - yet
anonimasu: where's my photos? :D
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/axis.ini: allow saving of joint positions between runs
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: allow saving of joint positions between runs
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (command.c motion.h): allow saving of joint positions between runs
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/emc.hh: allow saving of joint positions between runs
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ini_config.lyx: allow saving of joint positions between runs
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/task/taskintf.cc: allow saving of joint positions between runs
oh chris.. good you;re around :)
there's something missing ..
* alex_joni couldn't find a ttt package for dapper
I bet the one in the breezy repo works fine
indeed it does
or from my website...
I tried to compile it but failed though
I would have made the deb myself
I still haven't set up rsync to the new ubuntu repos' location
dependency I think
lots of errors during compile
you used build-dep?
maybe it's missing a build dep
no, I only got the tar.gz
looked at the control
not much there..
I think some careless amateur put together that deb
want me to hunt down the package maintainer?
jeez - you don't have to kill him
who said I would?
just flame him
oh, sorry. I was thinking of the Bush meaning of hunt down ;)
at least not from the very beginning
jepler: yay... works as promised
alex_joni: good! did you try on something besides the simulator?
now if you only told me about this sooner.. might have saved me an hour digging through the interp and canon :)
jepler: tomorrow at work
I started working on it after you seemed to have run into trouble doing it through the interpreter...
jepler: it can't hurt if I get familiar with that code :)
I agree your approach is saner
alex_joni: sorry I suggested the dead end to you
cradek: no harm done :)
cradek: at least I have some understanding of that part now
how does one activate the beagle search screen?
I left some results this morning hoping you would see them
I will be trying an ASUS MB and AGI video card in about an hour
On the M1xx codes, The Head Version in AUTO mode will execute the the code but the action is ended when the next line of code is read.
In the MDI mode the codes work as expected
In the Released Version, they work as expected.
As for the MB with Video Onboard , it is the suggestion of the IT dept that the video may still be active although turned off in bios
yes, saw them
what do you mean by 'the action is ended'
but I don't quite get how you mean that
danex: if I remember it right you had a simple 'halcmd sets foo ' in the M1xx
is that just to get some digital outputs to set from gcode?
cradek, the M-code turns a signal on, and it remains on till turned off by another code later in the program
alex_joni, I added the & symbol as suggested yesterday, and the direct path as suggested
danex: can you pastebin one of those M-code functions?
or are they on another PC?
I will copy from the machine and have it next time I am on
The machine is 45 minutes away ;(
belkin tech support takes freak'n forever to get to talk to an agent
Has the onboard video been a large problem ?
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emcsvr.cc: exit gracefully when SIGTERM is received
danex: for ubuntu?
now you no longer get this message on shutdown: - Terminated $EMC2_BIN_DIR/$EMCSERVER -ini $INIFILE
danex: usually onboard video and realtime don't mix well
that's not a rule..
onboard video is one of the most common causes for incompatibility with realtime
Ubuntu and Kubuntu both are in test
* Jymmm had to find a system that didn't have onboard video or audio.
no onboard nic either
could just disable them.
and put in a card
too much lag
well maybe he can, I couldn't
how come you couldn't just disable them?
becasue the BIOS didnt support it ro the system still had too much lag
Now, down to 18,000nS
really? Mine's a shitty 30,000
Well, 18000 max
I have to get back to the plant to get my other MB and Video Card/ IT will be out at Six
[20:57:05] <alex_joni> http://www.autof1.ro/index/Richard_Hammond1.html
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c: re-factor the code which executes a command
alex_joni: don't you watch top gear? that's a like last season... or even the season before.
hopefully they'll make more eps
A-L-P-H-A: not always
heard about the dude though
[21:20:41] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=407022&in_page_id=1773
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c: refactor the value parsing code of sets and setp into a single function
hey robin_sz... we were just talking about topgear
hamster wants to make broadcast from his deathbed... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=407022&in_page_id=1773
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c:
permit the use of shell-style wildcards for 'show' and 'list', such as
show pin axis.*.*-lim-sw-in
old prefix-based matching works as before:
show pin axis.0
* jepler wonders if 'fnmatch' will be available on the older farm machines...
can you still auto-complete on that?
show pin axis.*.*.-lim<tab> ?
jepler: thought so
jepler: still way better than before.. thanks
* alex_joni can't wait to play with emc2 & his machine tomorrow
I'll play with mine after a short nap
A-L-P-H-A, does it still get broadcast?
* robin_sz threw all his televisions on the dump 7 years ago
how's your inmates?
oh them :)
not yet, still hoping.
best of luck then ;)
[22:10:16] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01159170410
<- some pics :)
we took on another guy this week, workshop assistant
thats helped a bit.
said he had done a basic fabricationd and worksho practice course at a college
we've had to show him how to make a weaving motion with the torch ... and not to grind with a cutting disc and ...
so I think he might not have .. but hes keen and a good worker.
that's _all_ that matters
skills can be learned
if he survives that long ...
I keep finding him doing silly things like standing on tables to weld
or unloading the laser by walking on the slats ...
kids these days
he seems to be an accident trying to happen :(
standing on tables to weld? what's wrong with that?
until you fall off
it's only.. 40V during welding ;)
I am so close to what I am welding - I usually melt the plastic protective lens
is that bad?
Skunkworks: not that bad
if you occasionally do something not so safe, once amonth, once a week, when you have to, and think about it and if its the only way .. then thats not so bad
if you do that 10 times a day without thinking, you wont last long :(
I am just happy I have all of my fingers so far.
Skunkworks: I welded once some serious stuff, and the glass on my mask broke and fell out
and eye sight
that wasn't so nice.. suddenly to stare into the arc
and it was 2x400A or so
and I assume you mean VERY serious
I had arc eye when I was younger. Was watching my father cut apart a impliment with a stick welder. I never ever want to do that again.
it goes in 12 hours or so
I woke up in the middle of the night with it - couldn't open my eyes - then once I got them open - I could not shut them
and although unpleasant, its not actually that dangerous
mild case just feels like sand in your eye
lots of sand
Skunkworks: if it ever happens to you again.. don't open your eyes
not even if the house is on fire
keep em shut
now you tell me.
you didn't ask ;)
and it's usually around 3am ;)
you can get some stuff called "angel tears" ... expensive, but worht it
that's one of the odd things..
doesn't matter when you cought it
it's always around 3am
it is indeed always 3am ..
I think I learned my lesson. When I melted the lens - we where welding an outside wood furnace. 200-400 amps of pure welding
might be REM related ;)
robin_sz: I usually know when I got it, so I get some strain relief in the eyes (drops)
then some painkillers.. and sleep like a baby till the morning ;)
yeah, not needed it yet
plasma hurts your eyes.
robin_sz: last time it cought me through the mask
remember to tell your kids
angel tears is a lubricant and a local anaesthetic for the eys
shitty LCD masks
* alex_joni hates them
we use them ...
but good ones
they might be ok for manual welding
they are pretty nice at lower amps..
Esab, with fume extract
but when you hold one in your hand, and the pendant in the same hand, and the other hand to set parameters..
the problem with LCD is when you tilt it
it looses the 'darkening factor'
I have some Nederman extractors and extraction equipped torches going on ebay
robin_sz: all the masks are Optrel really
bloody awful things, MB36 with a vacuum hose
at least the good ones, like esab, lincoln, etc
esab seems fine
my mate just bought a SMT placement machine on ebay
4 axes, camera for aligning device with wolder pads automatically
robin_sz: afaik, all the major welding manufacturers get components/masks from optrel
3000 parts per our surface mount placement ...
working and very clean, installed and not used!
guess how much?
or 1.5 euros to you
hes just going to strip the motors and slides out of it and junk the rest
ever seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Parliament
alex_joni, nice photos .. lovely buildings
now lets spin this rc servo
alex_joni, is there a map showing roughly where this is?
there's a link at the bottom
[22:32:43] <alex_joni> http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=44.427942,26.088216&spn=0.010451,0.020127&om=1
robin_sz: that's one of the crazy leftovers from the old regime
off to bed now
looks a nice place, remind me to visit
I wouldn't advise so :)
* alex_joni hates bucharest
I keep meaning to visit hungary, but not managed it yet
and they feel the same way about us too :)
being half hungarian and all that, I guess I should
[22:36:43] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Location-Austria-Hungary-01.png
austria-hungary only covered 1/3 of romania
the part called transylvania
actually transilvania + banat
which is where I am
it was a huge empire
[22:38:00] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Austria_hungary_1911.jpg
you can see at the very bottom right of the empire cities like: Hermannstadt, Kronstadt, Schessburg, Mediasch
those are exactly the cities I visited last weekend
I would advise agains going over the mountains :P
it still looks very untouched by too much tourism
it still is
oh, I like mountains :)
you can't expect a lot
but you'll be welcomed almost anywhere you go
that's one of the big advantage of the locals
by welcomed I mean invited inside to sit at their table
you dont find that in most parts of europe
the east is different
my father is from Rakospalota, part of Budapest
so I know someting of eastern ways :)
anyway, off you go to bed!
my grandma was also born in budapest ;)
right.. off to bed
good night all
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/.cvsignore: html directory contains generated files only