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powerloss last night.. and my ups didn't manage to hold it :)
how big a ups do you have?
way too small :D
need to get a good one ;)
I think 500VA or so
how long did that last?
my 600VA only lasts for 10 minutes or so
AFAICT the battery tiny
mine is fscked ... its 1400VA, gone bad and lets out a loud "BZZZZZZT" every hour or so
i think the battery is screwed again
how old is it?
I changed it oncealready, but it doesn't hold 2 minutes
1-2years (battery), 4years ups
I think I'll get a 2000VA one
saw one not very expensive
buy a older larger prfessional unit with dead batteries
robin_sz: not likely to get any around here :/
by some "leisure" batteries (used in boats, caravans etc) that can stand deep discharge
build a large wooden box and sit it on top
we have a lot of security companies, they use the same batteries as in UPS-es
not very expensive
leisure batteries are good because they are HUGE and cheap.
same dimensions as car bateries, but can take a deep discharge without damage
nice cup of tea + mushrooms on taost with some ketchup
I just got +b from a channel becuase I apparently changed my nick too quickly, too many times. O.o (there was only support for 9 chars, so that makes my nick rather hard)
good idea, why didn't I think of that
though as the +b is still in effect (indefinetly) it doesn't really matter
probably a bot or something
[09:32:08] <alex_joni> http://teo.esuper.ro/news/cleopatra-stratan-ghita/
what an exceedingly strange/unnerving melody
anyways, I think she has a lot of talent (for a 3 year old ;)
the melody/lyrics just sounded, strange.
which is quite strange, as I don't exactly limit myself to standard western music
the music is written by her father
which sounds very much similar
let me find something ;)
[10:02:43] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_L5qaen3Zg&mode=related&search=
does EMC2 in HEAD run with kernel 188.8.131.52 in BDI?
i can run it with 2.6.16 kernel but not with 2.6.12
acemi: it should run, but you probably need to reconfigure / recompile
if you did that, and still get any errors, I'd like to see a list of errors ;)
alex_joni: that was quite similar indeed
i recompiled it but still get error
acemi: can you pastebin.ca the output?
Lerneaen_Hydra: most his songs sound like that ;)
i see start emc and then so many dot
acemi: try running "emc -v" or "emc -d"
acemi: do you get an error "Can't write to /dev/rtai_shm - aborting" ?
Lerneaen_Hydra: it seems she's the youngest in the world to ever have an Live concert :D
[10:16:43] <acemi> http://rafb.net/paste/results/eXbDNc12.html
the dot is stopped after ctrl+C
let it go for a bit
[10:17:38] <acemi> http://pastebin.com/781899
this is with emc -v
[10:19:27] <acemi> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8RWtNK92.html
(with emc -d )
acemi: ok, I think I know what the problem is..
not sure I know how to properly fix it for BDI though
it seems that udev is not playing nice along
and the /dev/rtai_shm isn't created as it should
acemi: to make it work in Ubuntu, we have a file called /etc/udev/emc2.rules
it holds this line:
KERNEL=="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK=="rtai_shm" MODE="0666"
i have no problem with 2.6.16 kernel in BDI
is this normal
acemi: maybe the 2.6.16 does the udev stuff differently
what kernel do you have booted now ?
ok, check "ls /dev/rtai_*"
No such file or direct
ok, that's the problem you are seeing
try creating it, then emc2 should work
mknod -m 666 /dev/rtai_shm c 10 254
but this should be taken care of by the OS, you shouldn't fiddle with it, and neither should emc2
yes, it's running now
what did i do wrong? http://www.carmi.se/misterstarshine/img/crap.jpg
acemi: maybe ask Paul how to properly make it work for BDI ?
emc2 in BDI is running without modification
acemi: right, but you need to enter the mknod manually which is not something I would like to do on every reboot
[10:30:40] <alex_joni> https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2006-March/014457.html
<- this sounds like a good way to solve it
but I am not sure what kind of udev is on the BDI, and if the solution proposed there works
Bo^Dick: that looks inverted and like the ink from the OH has run
acemi: np, thanks for the reports ;)
Lerneaen_Hydra: check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndc7330AdAQ&mode=related&search=
might have found a cheap laser :)
its got a twisted resonator, will cost 30K to have realligned in the factory ...
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in): New flag can be used to specify the python interpreter if the one called 'python' is too old: --with-python=python2.4
* danex is away: Away at the moment
I just had a strange EMC error
on startup it died and said that realtime subsystem coundn't start
then on next startup it started fine
I didn't run it in a terminal though the first time so I didn't see the exact terminal messages
after to run "sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart " can you try to start emc again,
i think to create rtai_shm node at the first time take long time
acemi: that might be true, however on the systems I've seen it only takes a very short time
you don't get the first . before t happens
i added emc2.rules for udev in my BDI with kernel 2.6.12; to create to node takes a bit longer. maybe Lerneaen_Hydra has the same
no, I think he uses Ubuntu
acemi: so the rules made it work?
I use ubuntu
still, I run head, so maybe not unexpected
actually it is
didn't sound like an EMC error
more like the RT subsystem
yeah, and that hasn't been touched lately
IIRC this happened once before
and it was attributed to a non-clean shutdown of EMC
that can be a reason
it was a while back though
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/share/axis/tcl/axis.tcl: halmeter Menu entry, usually very handy to have around
03eric-johnson 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/emcrsh.cc: Replaced "fork" with "pthread" in the handling of threads.
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (2.6.12-magma) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot7_log.txt
03eric-johnson 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/Submakefile: Added pthread to the linking of emcrsh.cc
03compile-farm 07BDI-2.18 (2.2.18-rtl3.0) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot2_log.txt
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/meter.c: fixed bug #1526647, halmeter does not select default pin/sig choice (actually now no rows are selected by default)
03compile-farm 07BDI-TNG (2.4.18-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot3_log.txt
03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (2.6.12-magma) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
hm looks like a configure test for pthread will be necessary
03compile-farm 07BDI-2.18 (2.2.18-rtl3.0) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
03compile-farm 07BDI-TNG (2.4.18-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/scope_horiz.c: fixed the bug #1526647 in halscope too, when halscope starts the first time it will by default take the first thread (which already was selected) if the user presses OK
Does anyone know if its possible to find any examples or such for more advanced 3D objects? (without payining $$$ or signing up for spam)
hello all, happy labor day
i think there is bug in EMC2 when removing user space HAL components
in file bin/emc, between line 353-360
hal component name is not as in "ps auxw" output and KillTaskWtihTimeout can't find PID
acemi: which one?
[20:48:09] <acemi> http://rafb.net/paste/results/zsFmnL62.html
acemi: ok, but which is the process which doesn't match ?
after stopped axis, i get Could not find pid(s) for task hal_manualtoolchange
in "ps aux" this porecess is axis_manualtoolchange
so this is for HEAD.. afaik emc2 doesn't have manualtoolchange
yes, for HEAD
print $4 in AWK gives the PID
I'll test a bit, and put it in ;)
thanks for spotting it
sigh ... missed an opportunity this week ...
guy scrapped a combination punch/laser
for some trivial reason ... I only heard about it as my mate was hacksawing the laser off :(
not sawing it off to save it I assume?
well, stripping the laser off to keep it as a useful part ...
theyd already pulled off the motion systems and the controllers.
and you would rather have had the whole machine?
it was only the hydraulic servo valve on the punch that was faulty
they are a cute thing ... servo motor driving a ballscrew thats on a hydraulic servo valve
you end up with a 20w electronic servo that has an 80tonne punch on the end of it
at up to 300 blows a minute
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: patch by acemi to properly shutdown HAL userspace components which have differencies between the hal name and the linux process name
well, 25 at a push
well, alright maybe 100W, but trivial electronic power controlling awesome physical power
the power gain is high, but not amazing
the impressive part is the force gain
when you see it smack a 60mm hole through 6mm steel sheet, its amazing :)
aw well, too late on that one
but how big is the hydraulic pump? 10Kw? 20? with 20 watts to the servo, that is a power gain of only 1000
they'll be hauling the carcass off to the scrappy on monday
force gain on the other hand, is a wee bit higher ;-)
20Kw would sound about right
never mind I have a sniff on another laser in London thats probably going to be scrapped ...
im a bit ahead of the game this time, so thees a chance I can get it as a lump, before the wrecking crews start pulling bits off it.
this time its "only" an alignment issue
alex_joni, KILL_PID=$HAL_COMP_PID will be KILL_PIDS=$HAL_COMP_PID there is S after KILL_PID
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: stupid typo
* alex_joni heads to bed
* danex is away: Away at the moment
and so it begins