giacus no no you had it right the first time... no one under 50 years of age
no.. that rule will be applied in 2009 better :D
oooops, I meant 60 YEARS OF AGE, not 50
I remember a guy asking to RMS a question during the conference about free software: " Don't it seems to you the GFDL is too much long and unconfortable to use (3 pages), when the CC need only few lines ?
He looked the guys in the eyes and sayd: absolutely not.
an enciclopedia should'nt be enough for someone
but the funny thing I noticed, playng around the models, lots of peoples invent theyr own license
I found about 30-40 different version until now
someone wrote: do not use for porn, some other do not eat it ..
these guys are evils
I really hope they will findd what are looking for ..
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anyone know about setting up ubuntu with dual video cards?
giacus: the CC is not "just a few lines". The summary is a few lines, but (for example) "by-nc-nd 2.5" is around 2000 words, or 220 lines when I format it to 72 columns. That's over 3 60-line pages.
jepler: the problem is the CC leave many question unsweared it seems
but isnt a bad license
always better than licenses goes to write anytime ..
the debates was about commercial- non commercial
How do I disable gui login from the console?
what gui Jymmm?
KDM, GDM XDM ?
I use rcconf
rcconf is a tool to select what to run
or you could remove the login manager
rcconf should be available as package I think, apt-search for it
where is rcconf located?
apt-get update and apt-cache search rcconf
you have to run it as root
if find it install it with apt-get install rcconf
run it in a console as root then, remove the flag to your login manager with space bar and exit
rcconf - Debian Runlevel configuration tool. it should be in Ubuntu too, I guess
jepler: the debates was about the fact that many peoples associates the 'commercial' term to Money and not Free.
well, If I can't use EMC on my workshop then it can't be called FREE
that's my personal opinion
but peoples have fear about the commercial use
I think they don't know enough
and they are the 90% of blender user releasing models !
Jymmm: found it ?
nope, didnt look. just ripped out the othe rvideo card
too much bullshit to deal with.
doubt I'll be able to run emc2 on this box
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FYI... Install script had this msg popup:
oh hell, damn nix!
will emc2 run in dapper-drake ubuntu 6.06 - ?
im going to try to use the .sh script from the linuxcnc.org page in my newly installer dapper-drake.
shit - i read - *for now please use 5.10 Breezy Badger. we know 6.06 Dapper Drake has been released, but there are no available packages for that.
guess ill go to bed then
wholepair: still there?
anyone know how to mount a fat32 partition under ubuntu?
mount -tvfat /mnt/hda1 /dev/hda1
that should work if you have support for fat32 compiled
it's not by default?
<anonimasu> mount -tvfat /mnt/hda1 /dev/hda1
whats the mount point there?
I might have reversed them
mount: mount point /mnt/hda1 does not exist
I reversed them from what you said
mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
should work with automount
you might need -t
without specify -t
I dont care I use -t when I mount.
that worked =)
usually thats ntfs..
no needed anymore
I do not write on ntfs !
oh you never do.
you do it ?
no, this is fat32
ah, fat32 its ok
bad filesystem, bat you can write on by linux as you want
I think today we back home from mondial cup
hi pier :(
slightly cooler today isn't it?
yest 37 now 27
could anyone tell me please (if there is one of course) which is the source of the rtai module that generate the step pulse in Emc2?
stepgen.c I guess
going to have a look at it
not sure :P
pier: it's emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c
giacus: isn't italy playing ukraine today?
at least you have buffon
yes, this evening at 21
pier: you there ?
I've to understand how this work yet.. http://www.axefactory.com/miniscannerhowto/miniscanner.html
no motors, no steppers
he manually move the table ? O_O
tell me giacus
was tryng to understand how that scanner should work ..
so am I
it doesnt seems to use any motor to move camera or object to scan
no motors ...
puzzling scanner... bye
this would be nice: http://www.comagrav.com/3d_scanning_probes.html
I can't wait for tomorrow ;).. going to the mountain house again
good for you :) fresh clean clear air...
yeah.. and way cooler than here
going to get grilled on the beach for me this afternoon... luckily will play with my RC sailboat..
if the winch doesn't get loose
sounds like quite a problem..
especially if that happens when it's far away :D
if there is just a light breeze that is not a problem
the helm will suffice. Yet once I had a close shave and risked to have the boat missed away
jib and mainsail can turn freely
around the main mast
obviously I have no idea what you are talking about :D
pier: don't feel bad ;)
maybe one day I'll think about learning how to sail
or at least that those terms are :)
I was beginning to get carried away
pier: don't sweat it
well.. I kinda know what a main mast and a main sail are :D
I am a novice myself... more into the RC plane
cnc cut now :)
are you on frappr?
no.. but visited the site
[11:31:57] <alex_joni> http://www.frappr.com/emc2
<- add yourself :)
yes but I am a bit ashamed of my machine. Though I am drawing a new one capable of working metals
pier: you shouldn't
wife calls .... lunch's ready ... later
aieee.. how can you keep track with so many bits: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/drills.htm
i measure the diameter with calipers
its not like a 5mm drill will make a 5mm hole
fenn: depends how well it's calibrated, and how you drill it
what i mean is a 5mm hole is undersize so when you drill with a certain sized pilot hole it will probably be pretty close to 5mm
ca va... je suis sur l'ils du prince edward...
working on a little nightmare part... triple pronged tuning fork
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c:
complete -w and -iw for loadusr
add vim turd
Lerneaen_Hydra2: good morning
jepler: good afternoon ;)
is it difficult to get g33, and all that it entails, to work? (excluding hardware)
let's say I have index pulse on a pin and counts on another pin
the nist-lathe sample configuration in cvs is set up for threading, you just need to configure your hal
cradek: and that's no big matter?
cradek: IIRC you programmed a tool that let you use lathes that didn't have an encoder, just a wheel with X counts/rev
right, the counter module
as far as I know, it's untested
but probably working?
probably working or nearly working
ok, there's not that much that can really go wrong with it
in the example hal file look for the block that starts '# Beginning of threading related stuff'
phaze Z? would that be index?
Z is index
A and B are quadrature
what do the homeswitches have to do with threading?
they probably belong somewhere else
in the hal file
they're not related to threading
ok, thought so
uh, does anyone happen to have a .sh lying around that will wipe the old isntallation of emc and axis, and then download and compile from cvs the latest version? I will I have to make that myself?
if you want to get rid of changes you've made to the files, you can do it with "cvs up", specifically with the "-C" flag: Overwrite locally modified files with clean repository copies.
jepler: I want to update all files, even files that I have modified, to the latest, without typing 15 lines in bash
that's what "cvs up" does .. run it at the top dir, and in the src/axis dir
(cvs up is normally recursive, but it won't cross into src/axis because that is from a different repository)
updates all files?
jepler: does it need an andress?
or just cvs upp
when you run commands from inside a CVS checkout it uses the CVSROOT you used when checking out in the first place
jepler: and I don't need to delete files beforehand?
then this should work, right?
make && sudo make setuid
looks OK, though generally there's no need to re-run configure
jepler: I may as well, once I had to to get something to work
it was an unusual thing though
um, when doing the configure I noticed I got two warnings, about missing libs
"configure: WARNING: ncurses lib missing" "configure: WARNING: Xaw lib missing"
which doesnt sound too good
I take it I should get them, but are they just normal libs that can be gotten via apt-get?
hmm, according to synaptic I aleady have libsurses5
oh, right. i don't have that one
both headers and main file?
probably -dev will be everything you need
those warnings only matter if you want to build keystick or xemc, which most people don't use...
on the other hand, libreadline5-dev is worth installing if you're going to work with the hal commandline much
jepler: I still seem to get axis errors when starting up
jepler: only when loading my config though
[17:19:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/75853
Lerneaen_Hydra2: I suspect it's because of your tool file?
Lerneaen_Hydra2: can you pastebin the ini?
do you have LATHE defined in it?
alex_joni: which part?
then I think you must update the foo.tbl
the tool table file
[17:24:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/75857
I suspect AXIS expects it to be in lathe format
that sounds like a possible explanation
try to recopy it from configs/stepper if you didn't change it too much
alex_joni: it's the old format
alex_joni: I don't use it at all so I
'll just copy a new version
hmm, configs/stepper was the same format
and I did a cvs update just now
get one from configs/nist-lathe
and rename it to stepper.tbl, (or alternatively change the ini to use it)
hmm. funny. still errors
sorry.. that was my only feeling/hunch
hmm. I'll have to bug jepler then. ;)
yoohoo? jepler? you there? ;)
* alex_joni grabs the big catleprod
* alex_joni prods jepler
* Lerneaen_Hydra2 grabs a yet bigger prod
* Lerneaen_Hydra2 and proceeds to poke/prod jepler with it
* Lerneaen_Hydra2 to no appearent avail
Lerneaen_Hydra2: when do you get this error?
or durring running?
the first segment before axis loads, the second after the window loads
I've commented out the spindle-switch code
you have the latest nightly build of axis?
yes, I cvs updated both an hour ago
you can cvs update axis - cool
it's on a different server though
so a different cvsroot
Lerneaen_Hydra2: any different software has a different cvsroot, even if it would be on the same server
alex_joni: ah, ok
but that's irrelevant :)
Lerneaen_Hydra2: try to comment the LATHE = YES in the ini
and see if the error goes away..
alex_joni: no errors then
ok, at least it's somehow narrowed down
you're sure you're using the latest AXIS
and the latest nist-lathe.tbl ?
uh, as sure as I can be
I made this script to update:
make && sudo make setuid
what do you get when you run cvs up in the axis dir?
does it simply return?
[18:12:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/75887
I just got back from lunch
alex_joni: is 300ms enough for non-RT inputs?
is there a pastebin showing the actual error axis gives?
yes, a bit up
[18:24:24] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/75857
[18:24:33] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/75853
cradek wrote that line
it must be his fault :-P
* Lerneaen_Hydra2 pokes cradek
despite getting that message during startup, axis seems to run (with the nist-lathe configuration, on the lathecomp.ngc file)
jepler: same here
* alex_joni pokes Lerneaen_Hydra2
you didn't say it keeps working
jepler: from the little I know.. maybe there's a need for a check tool_nr < 0 ?
sigh .. why does nto my printer work?
poxy printers ... I so do begin to hate them
am I correctly assuming your similar to wholepair ?
since there is a dapper dir here: http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/emc2/dists/
does that mean I can modify this script to use it http://linuxcnc.org/emc2-install.sh
yes im wholepair at work
holepair: yes, but those packages are somewhat experimental
when will they be um somewhat less experimental
holepair: they probably will stay the same
03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/scripts/axis.py: current_tool can be None, so don't throw a fit
they will pass further tests, and prove themselves :D
holepair: after people like you have valiantly tested them, in other word
right now about 10-15 people use them without any problems afaik
alex_joni: oops. sorry
Lerneaen_Hydra2: was just pulling your leg :)
Lerneaen_Hydra2: but I live after the IBM motto..
"never touch a running system" :D
if it ain't broken, don't fix it
alex_joni: dapper works fine for me so far
is dapper going to be the emc system of choice in the future because of its LTS?
I will try them tonight then - anyone want to make sure I can get the shell script edited correctly - i switched to dapper because my breezy badger got broke broke - don't know why - Xdesktop or whatever stopped working
holepair: just replace all breezy with dapper in that script
holepair: and report back here how it goes
wholepair: I answered your email this morning about this...
Ok - thats what I did - ill tell you what happens when I get home - I can see my home computer from here - cradek: yahoo must have thought you were spam...
holepair: he gets it all the time :D
just kidding ;)
he doesn't look like spam
well - he didn't at fest, at least
then yahoo sucks
SWPadnos: that's the problem with emails.. can't see who's writing them
hmmm - video authentication for email senders
if microsoft-lookout didn't suck, I'd be signing my messages with gpg, then you certainly could be sure who wrote it
cradek: what do you verify the gpg against?
Lerneaen_Hydra2: you don't.. you just sign the mail
ill use gmail next time - but there wont be a next time will there - im famous, got on boingboing yesterday - check me out: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/28/punch_card_curtains.html
gotta run - see ya
alex_joni: I think I need to read about gpg
that's a nice idea (the punch_card_curtains)
Hi all... gonna spend Canada day in PEI by the looks of it
anyway, g'night all
see you Lerneaen_Hydra2
um, random question before I dissapear:
is estop RT?
a hardware estop switch
Lerneaen_Hydra2: no software should be involved in real life saving features
your estop switch should also stop the machine properly
so if you care about your life, get a big contactor
alex_joni: no, of course not, my estop connects to the physical main power input, as well as emc
and hook up the estop switches to drive that
Lerneaen_Hydra2: then you're safe
through a contactor
I was just wondering, becuase axis seemed to have a latency of 1 second or so before the estop icon was pressed
it's non RT
and it passes NML messages around
Just FYI... I had a conversation regarding ESTOP... in SOME cases, especially when brakes are involved, it be better to have a timer-relay in the estop circuit, than to just instantly remove power from the system.
Jymmm: that is regulated by certain standards
at least in europe it is
alex_joni Yeah, like any hobbiest follows "regulations" =)
Jymmm: on our robots when you push estop: power goes to a balast resistor, motors brake as much as they can, and there is a mechanical brake applied
even if this is for a 2t moving gantry at 1m/sec
yeah, that was the conversation was about =)
sometimes 10msec's are crucial
Grainger sells a 0-10S timer relay
Jymmm: there are big red Stop buttons
which do the decel stuff, then brake
and there are the red mushrooms
so if you're meaning to really make it halt you hit estop
do you have to rehome after estop?
I have no brakes, but I'd love to be able to have ESTOP disconnect the motors from the driver and short the windings.
cradek gawd I'd hope so
the resolvers are attached to the motor shaft
they can't move
alex_joni: what's a "resolver"? some kind of encoder?
Jymmm: yes and no
alex_joni but tracks current position, right?
[19:07:35] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolver_(electrical)
it always gives you the exact position in one rotation
without the need to count it or similar
you feed it one sinewave (ref), and read back 2 (sin & cos)
based on where the 2 are regarding to the ref one, you know where the rotor is
we use about 10kHz
on the ref signal
alex_joni: i think you'll find this funny http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/videoc/aaa/http/thec026/thec026_http_300_300.mov
fenn: how is this: http://www.maglavais.ro/upload/Image/bah_chifla/becam_figou_zidan.jpg
regarding estop ... you should note there are laws ... lots of em, about estop circuits
fenn: I know it..
used to play around mtv? over here
it doesnt matter so much for hobby use, but for say, that big Mazak, then it matters
fenn: thanks for the thought.. though ;)
sadly, most of the regulations are completely nuts ...
tatal galacticilor? i'm afraid i dont speak gaelic
like, obviously, you could bring a big gantry to a stop best using the servos, but the law says you have to de-power the motors
fenn: check out his name
last name: poenaru (pretty common)
first name: beckham figo zidan
* fenn blinks
is that weirder than poenaru?
beckham is an english soccer player
zidan is a french one
* robin_sz bets in france he wouldnt be allowed to be called that
so i hear there are some soccer games going on, is that right?
figo is a spanish one.. I think
fenn: world cup
figo is from portugal.. sorry ;)
did you know that in france, you can basically only choose your childs name from an official list, and even then, you might not get it passed
so I guess names like ALDWYN aren't really allowed :D
dunno ... it might be popular in frnace ;)
I know Austria has laws about calling people hitler
tomorow we get to try welding cromweld ... that should be fun.
its the "almost" stainless steel
[19:41:22] <alex_joni> http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/vin_diesel_scripted_interviews.html
mmmm .. dunno yet
something for the back fo your head.. if it starts to crack after welding :D
what's the composition?
mmm .... dunno :)
its 1.4003 by its other name
ok.. so only Cr
its "nearly" stainless
welds with a 309 wire
add Ni and it's stainless
should be OK
it *might* be the same as 430
did you guys see the Carver One?
[19:46:08] <alex_joni> http://www.carver-worldwide.com/Movies/LoadMovie.asp?S_ID=64
im still trying to figure out who vin diesel is
[19:49:04] <alex_joni> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004874/
not much of a movie fan.. are you?
well, I have seen one, but it was a long time ago
nah, star wars :)
I think there is a movie theatre in a town near here
I can't wait for M. Night Shyamalan next movie. (althogh "the village" was a flop)
the carver thing os pretty cool
hub centre steering seems to have come a long way since the Tesi
skunkworks: the 6th sense was great
the village was total crap
three wheelers should always have the two wheels in front unless you can accelerate faster than you can brake
alex_joni: agreed - I did like "signs" also. he is a pretty good story teller.
fenn: coem again?
they have a nasty habit of flipping over when you turn and brake at the same time
at least the atv's did
so did the TT
and it wasn't 3-wheeled
what's a TT?
* robin_sz suspects they can accerate faster than they brake
* skunkworks doesn't think so Acceleration0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 8.2 s
they flip over?
skunkworks: yeah, but they brake in 20s :D
does it have a lead roof?
fenn: had some issues with high speed braking
seems a bit slow
fenn: it's taken care now
same was for the mercedes A-class
I was assuming they would have performance similar to a bike
most litre calss bikes have 0-100 under 3 seconds
that carver thing is so stupid
i hate it
less than a liter
most 600cc non turbo bike engines make 100+ bhp
4 cylinder 16 valve turbo intercooler
they must have made it especially crap for some reason
maybe its a SMART car engine
they are crap :)
Im suprised it so low on power though ... quite odd.
weird that it only leans to 45 degrees too. thats quite low
why not just put a gyroscope in a bike with a bubble around it
implies that the tyre side forces are never allowed to exceed the weight, ie a friction coefficient of 1
modern tyres go well over that
a little servo can move the gyro back and forth to keep the bike standing
my car stock does 0-60 in mid 5 seconds - that just doesn't seem like it would be much fun.
yeah, they seem to havce used a poor engine package ... but it looks like a fun little thing anyway
I can see them selling well to people who have lots of money and fancy the biker image without the leaters and dirt
I guess that why they got a F1 driver to demo it.
fenn: how is the servo amp/control coming? out of idea stage yet?
just needs to be put together
actually i need to order some transistors since my power supply is higher voltage than i expected
forgot about that little sqrt(2) increase you get when rectifying AC
fenn: cut some windings
what kind of transformer do you have?
oh.. you said transistor?
linear power supply?
I managed to pull enough windings off a 6.3 v transformer to make it 5v
2n3904/6 are rated at 30V and the transfo puts out 32V
the transformer's sealed in glue
fenn: if it's a toroidal one, you can add wires on the primary part
I always buy toroidals lately.. way smaller and nicer
heh this was $5
oh.. then don't worry
buy another one
industrial stuff that runs on 24VDC.. what voltage are the transformers rated at?
and am i going to have any luck finding one that runs on 110V?
fenn what va do you need?
120 continuout 600 peak
maybe i can get by with less than that
* fenn would rather just get some transistors
the 10A no problem, the 24A peak, eh
24V not 12V
that IS @$V
Outputs: 24VAC @ 10A (12V-0V-12V)
heh you made the same mistake i did
24VAC is 34VDC
you asked for a 24V transformer
no i didnt
that link is for a 24V transformer
<fenn> industrial stuff that runs on 24VDC.. what voltage are the transformers rated at?
[06/30 13:36:45] <fenn> and am i going to have any luck finding one that runs on 110V?
* fenn just wants to be left alone
fenn: you're not likely to find a transformer that gives 17VAC .. but maybe you could use a linear regulator (lm317? lm7824?) if your current needs are modest.
you just need a buck boost transformer :)
good lord what kind of advice am i getting in this channel
i just need some transistors
fenn: Fine, go away and wind your own ---> http://www.toroid.com/standard_transformers/transformer_kits/transformer_kits.htm
or a big variac to get exactly what you want
Jymmm: heh i thought about it
clearly I didn't understand the problem statement
but i wouldnt buy a stupid kit
real men make their own cores out of steel strapping
* fenn pounds on his chest
The King and Caroline
and fiber tape
* Jymmm notices the pause in fenn's response (probably out of breath from beating his chest)
was i supposed to say something?
what does VCT mean.. like 24VCT transformer
fenn: Ug Ug Ug
24Volt Center Tapped
or 0-12-24 :)
skunkworks that not CENTER tapped though =)
well, ok it is, but OH SHUT UP!
* skunkworks wonders why fenn hasn't found a nice 24v switching power supply surplus
i dont want to use a switching power supply
now that i know a little about their failure modes
you don't like 110 volts going into your circuit?
* fenn eyes the computer suspiciously
skunkworks: Joos stoooopid or what?!?!?! You didn't see when he was beating his chest?!?! He wants to mine for iron and copper ore, and forge his own core and copper wire! Eeeeeeesh.
yep the very best wire is hammered to shape
you're laughing now, but just wait until my army of gnomes wrecks your economy
the 5 volt supply in the emc2 computer is running my buffer card.
I. Hate. Gnome.
jepler you running kubuntu?
dont the new power supplys have 24 volts to the mother board now?
ATX 2.1 (iirc) is the specs on that.
if its any consolation - out of the hundreds of computer power supplies that have failed on me - only 1 has taken out the motherboard,
skunkworks: count yourself lucky
Jymmm: no, icewm
gcode M3 (is that spindle related)
jepler under ubuntu?
cw if I rember right m3 cw , m4 ccw , m5 stop
Jymmm: I installed ubuntu then made icewm my default
Jymmm: yes, m3 is for the spindle. see the quick reference I made: http://axis.unpy.net/files/gcode.html
jepler: I tried installing KDE, but it really didn't switch over.
There was just some KDE app I wanted to play with.
Jymmm: at the login screen there's a way to choose what "session" you want, which should have a kde option if you've installed the necessary packages. Otherwise, you can run a kde app on a gnome desktop and vice versa
(printable version: http://axis.unpy.net/files/01142603825/gcode.pdf)
and now I'm out of here .. see you guys
jepler Oh didn't know you could run kde app under gnome
jepler see ya
Jymmm: i usually run kde apps under icewm
its like 20x faster
that's the cool thing
dunno wtf kde is doing wrong
just some tray bar app could be an issue..
I just wanted to paly with that world clock... it can be set as the background.
shows a map of the world and where it's day/night
you know... the BIG sinewave in the sky =)
it run only under kde
giacus Yeah, I figured (being on the background of the desktop)
My TV tuner does the same thing... you can make the TV your desktop =)
but there's some alternative app right for that
I use TVtime
if there is I dont know about it.
also xawtv is nice
I just hate to move, resize, and adjust windows around the desktop
a good wm should do it for you
I also run fluxbox as light wm in vmware and its fine
running fast ! :)
Jymmm: I really don't like that feature (TV bacground), I run my tv on a small frame in the right botto corner of the screen. I heard it more then see..
when I see something of interesting I swith full screen
This is strange... I'm drilling a grid of holes spaced 2" apart. My max travel is 24", so what i did is shift the material to the left 6" so I can finish up the last 28". Now, when I started up the second half, it's over lapped by 2".
a nice thing is VLC for me, sending TV streaming on lan, laptop and other computers :)
I know how to fix it, but I don't understand why it needs to be set at 8" instead of 6"
maybe the program had some space before starting the first row?
the lenght of tool is ok ?
bill203 it did, but I layed out all the holes at the same time.
bill203 oh, you're right... I forgot about the "margin" (so to speak)
<-- good guesser
bill203 thanks, it was just bugging me WHY?!?!?! I've spend three days thinking this out, trying not to make any mistakes
and I STILL mucked it up (not perm damage)
just one extra hole
but, it's all good. Just something I have to take into consideration when I do the bottom piece
bill203 I doubt JUST a good guesser there =)
Jymmm: I'd say the guessers I like
Well, I reset the X to 8" instead of 6" and now it's 2 rows behind *sigh*
murphy read the logs and got tired of you talking trash behind his back
murphy is a dead man when I catch him!
03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/axis.ini: interp faster
YAY!!!! all done with the top piece!!!
I really have to think/rethink the gcode when I know I'm going to be shifting the workpiece. Oh well, live and learn.
well.... live and learn, then blame jacky
03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/images/axis.ngc: remove repeated lines
ven 2006-07-01 00:00 | wow !! I'm 38 !! :PP
giacus: YOU ARE TOO YOUNG TO USE LINUX, MUST BE AT LEAST 60!!!
a baby ! :D
tomorrow is birthday of giacus
K4ts: you meant today ?
they know ..
I think Jymmm is preparing a cake
Jymmm: how are you?
Yeah... a rust steel cake with an iron ore and 10W-40 frosting!
K4ts better now... finsihed one piece I'm working on. and you?
03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): configure --help fix
no Jymmm I'm holidays
03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/scripts/axis.py: (log message trimmed)
Fix the "feed override keys don't work the first time" bug:
"update idletasks" before doing all the vupdates. It seems that the scale gets
its variable changed immediately after it is set(), but the command= isn't
called until later (when the scale is being repainted). This "update" forces
the repaint to happen before the value is updated from the stat buffer. If the
"update" does call commands.set_feedrate() then the blackout period will apply.
until september! wow
Just a 80GB laptop hdd alone costs $100 --> http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electronics/frys/i/2006/06/30/17720.html
everyone wants CNC. http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/29/how-to-build-your-own-cnc-machine-part-1/
I was particularly impressed by their method of coupling the threaded rod to the motor shaft. blech!
acutally air hose and clamps work better ;) http://www.electronicsam.com/video/MVC-341W.MPG
jepler: You know, I see a LOT of those using "tubing", and I just don't get it
Jymmm: looks like you might be able to do a bit better than $100 for an 80G laptop drive, but I haven't compared the specifics: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=1309721214&Subcategory=380&
they have a number of drives closer to $75, shipping on the order of $5.
jepler That was a comparision of a hdd alone -vs- a WHOLE laptop
anyone out there?
jokinha123456 is now known as nulix
hello nulix :)
are all the guy's asleep
listen, i'm starting up fresh with emc2
I think someone of they is working
what's the higgest traffic hours around here?
[23:18:52] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/emcstats/emc.html
I saw the paralell port DYI stuff, but it is going away
with new computers
they don't have those ports
i was wondering
if it would be possible
to go around that
a 'driver' for emc had to be built
can you point me in the right direction here?
some docs/sites would be great help
you can talkon a whole line, and it'll wrap around to multiple lines for you =)
nulix: sorry.. you might find my english isnt good
i was just hammering it down on the keyboard
do you wanna write a driver ? did I undertstand write ?
giacus, i might take a crack at it
but first i nead to have some understanding
best way is too look at the source code and HAL components
you can download the source from CVS
the wiki is also useful for users
i'm not mutch of a coder, but i'm not alone in this, have some friends around who can help
your start point would be linuxcnc.org
oh.. yeah, there are very clever developers around :)
many of they are busy too
for small things the best way it to-do-by-yourself
are there any logs from this channel online? i mean, are they put online, like your stats?
however to drive a driver require low level programming knowledge
and lot of maths, electronics, etc .
is there a develepor channel
well, we can do the interface, the controller, the biggest problem stands in the emc
this is an interesting and important question
there's a board director if you look at linuxcnc.org
they are mainly peoples to talk with
there's also a Mailing List
i have been attenting both of them for about one year now
nt mutch attention on it though
the mailing lists i mean
dunno about it, I just receive 10-20 emails for day from it
since I subscribed it
i don't read it, just collect, sometimes some mail titles do catch my attention
and i dig it up
what would be the main idea about the projects to propose ?
alternative parport drivers ?
well, we just want to get EMC on serial and later on USB
this could be an heavy changes in the projecy I guess
You have an idea ?
many peoples talked abut USB and others here around
actually no, on the hardware point of view it is clear, on the EMC point of view, i don't have a clew
starting to dig in
so there is no plan for it as far as you know?
for what I know, no
abut USB I meant
and for serial?
parport is the standard
tomorrow is birthday of giacus?!
fenn: yes! if tomorrow is today
maybe k4ts will get you a real cnc mill
hehe would be nice
or maybe she will get you a worthless animal you will have to take care of
a ravenous rabbit perhaps
I think she just will came here tomorrow
and I also have to pay a dinner :/
no hope to get nice gifts as cnc
giacus: too bad
nulix: sounds like a nice project
nulix: what are you using on the hardware end?
*dont say pic dont say pic*
more like free...
please do you and me a favor and use an avr..
i'll even pay the $2
my friend here also uses ATMega
yes atmega== avr
but PIC == $ free $
i will send an email to the developers mail list
but cnc machine are not cheap
yeah you will be going to the doctor for repetitive strain injury from reaching for your wallet
with my thought's and wishe's and hope someone
even with "free" samples
will reply with some hints
* fenn has some really nice dsPIC samples sitting in his bench
i'll probably never learn how to program them though
ask for samples and not using them
yes but who's fault is that
i will probably use icee's code actually
well, i'll have to call it a night, i will be back
thanks for the hints
and keep it rowling