#emc | Logs for 2011-02-01

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[00:07:04] <Dallur> hmm looks like
[00:07:04] <Dallur> .bashrc emc-source/ .gstreamer-0.8/ .nautilus/ .viminfo
[00:07:10] <Dallur> well that and
[00:07:36] <Dallur> halui.program.is-paused does not seem to report correctly if program is paused
[00:09:14] <Dallur> is anyone else getting the same results there, should I write a bug report ?
[00:09:33] <cradek> I agree, looking in the source, it's not done
[00:10:21] <cradek> also is-idle is-running
[00:10:56] <cradek> I'll fix it for you
[00:11:26] <Dallur> that's ok, no hurry, im leaving for the UK tomorrow so I won't be able to work on the THC at all for the next week ;(
[00:11:59] <cradek> if I fix it now, will you have time to test it?
[00:12:34] <Dallur> sure
[00:12:39] <Dallur> :D
[00:20:07] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc: hook up program.is-paused, is-running, is-idle
[00:20:32] <cradek> fixed
[00:20:46] <Dallur> :D woot, that was fast
[00:21:13] <Jymmm> Note... When you buy as space on google, make sure your website has the graphics in your shopping cart
[00:21:19] <Jymmm> a/as/ad/
[00:26:36] <Dallur> cradek: works great, we know have a feature I have not seen in any other THC, the option to manually verify torch position before arc is struck :D
[00:26:49] <cradek> yay!
[00:26:52] <Dallur> %s/know/now/g
[00:27:45] <Dallur> plus you can actually pause the gcode and the torch will shut down, start again and the machine will pick up where it left off :D
[00:27:58] <cradek> very nice
[00:28:28] <cradek> when you unpause it waits for the arc to fire before moving?
[00:28:34] <Dallur> of course :D
[00:28:45] <cradek> cool
[00:28:57] <cradek> you must be a hal and ladder expert by now
[00:29:08] <Dallur> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Torch_Height_Control
[00:29:29] <Dallur> I think I have the largest HAL/Ladder around by now :D
[00:29:53] <cradek> I betyou're going to be in tight competition with demo_mazak
[00:30:07] <Dallur> hehe
[00:31:06] <Dallur> probably, automatic tool changers+cooling are quite complex I imagine
[00:31:33] <cradek> it definitely looked complex to me...
[00:31:43] <Jymmm> argh... I must be googling for the wrong thing... looking for a wood screw that has a wide head on it. think like this self-tapping sheet metal screws or a wood screw with a finishing washer on them.
[00:31:58] <cradek> even the power up cycle (coming out of estop) had many steps with delays in them
[00:34:58] <cradek> 19:13:53 < Dallur> halui.program.is-paused does not seem to report correctly
[00:35:02] <cradek> 19:32:52 < Dallur> cradek: works great
[00:35:11] <cradek> is this a record??
[00:35:35] <Dallur> i think we did it in just under 19 minutes last time so ,,
[00:35:37] <Dallur> :D
[00:35:41] <cradek> darn
[00:36:07] <cradek> public cvs is very nice for this
[00:36:31] <Dallur> :D I think public subversion is nicer but :D
[00:37:02] <cradek> possibly, but I know how to use cvs
[00:37:06] <anonimasu> hm are there any easy way to interface something via rs232 to HAL
[00:37:06] <anonimasu> ?
[00:37:14] <anonimasu> s/any/an
[00:37:34] <cradek> anonimasu: not yet, but jepler is writing something for communication with microcontrollers I think
[00:37:49] <anonimasu> hm, I wonder when he'll be around
[00:37:51] <anonimasu> *curious*
[00:37:54] <cradek> anonimasu: it's pretty easy to make a userspace serial driver, realtime would be much harder
[00:38:04] <Dallur> Do you guys know if the name of the classicladder.hal file is hardcoded? I can't seem to find any refference to it and I was hoping to rename it to avoide conflicts in the wiki
[00:38:10] <anonimasu> I'd perfer to have it realtime..
[00:38:23] <anonimasu> cradek: going to interface a real plc to hal
[00:38:33] <anonimasu> and use the buttons on the panel for control
[00:38:48] <cradek> halui is not realtime, there's little point to a realtime serial driver
[00:38:58] <anonimasu> ah I thought it were realtime :)
[00:39:38] <cradek> none of the UI stuff is realtime
[00:39:39] <Dallur> There really is not much point in having something that interacts with the GUI realtime IMHO, the GUI will never be realtime I assume so ..
[00:39:51] <cradek> that's right
[00:39:57] <cradek> neither is the human realtime
[00:40:02] <anonimasu> hm ok
[00:40:20] <anonimasu> I can write stuff for serial but, I have no idea hot to connect anything with hal :)
[00:40:59] <cradek> just model it after hal_joystick
[00:41:19] <cradek> the hard part is not hal, it's coming up with a useful serial protocol
[00:41:35] <anonimasu> hmm ok ;)
[00:41:50] <cradek> but talk to jepler first, he might have already done what you want
[00:41:55] <anonimasu> yeah
[00:42:06] <anonimasu> I wouldnt mind writing it though
[00:42:10] <anonimasu> I really need to get a clue about hal
[00:42:24] <anonimasu> it feels shitty not to do anything :)
[00:42:43] <cradek> it seems pretty easy to take an existing hal component or driver and hack it into a new one
[00:42:52] <anonimasu> yep
[00:43:07] <cradek> for example I hacked 'encoder' into 'counter' in short order (an hour?)
[00:43:17] <cradek> having no other experience writing hal componenets
[00:43:19] <anonimasu> I'm going to grab a linux iso and put a devel box togther
[00:43:31] <cradek> or components
[00:43:48] <anonimasu> yeah
[00:44:10] <anonimasu> I long until I can write toolchanger code for this plc :)
[00:46:13] <anonimasu> or well code for all aux stuff on the mill
[00:47:08] <anonimasu> *conversation killer*
[00:47:22] <cradek> have to go get groceries...
[00:47:38] <anonimasu> I'll have a talk with jepler first when he's around
[00:47:54] <anonimasu> going to install the devel box tomorrow too, and have a look
[01:14:24] <Dallur> I'm off, see you guys next week and thanks for all the help
[01:32:34] <Jymmm> * Jymmm thinks asdfqwega needs more guide wires on his bbq grill
[01:34:58] <asdfqwega> Huh?
[01:35:21] <Jymmm> asdfqwega You know... the bbq grill you have on the roof
[01:35:29] <Jymmm> or is it a wok?
[01:36:07] <Jymmm> direcpc == bbq grill/wok
[01:36:52] <asdfqwega> What, I ask, is the proper response to a relative stranger coming up to you and saying such things, with no prelude whatsoever?
[01:37:37] <Jymmm> asdfqwega: You were complaining that your connection was bouncing like crazy the other day
[01:37:45] <asdfqwega> Besides tasering the crazy sonuva before he makes a move?
[01:38:11] <Jymmm> the logs never lie =)
[01:38:40] <asdfqwega> Great, now he's talking to logs
[01:38:50] <Jymmm> the log files never lie =)
[01:39:18] <giacus> I'd try to sleep a bit now ..
[01:39:25] <giacus> *_*
[01:39:28] <Jymmm> nite jacky
[01:39:41] <giacus> got the mosquito killer
[01:39:47] <giacus> Night Jymmm
[01:39:52] <giacus> G night all
[01:40:03] <Jymmm> giacus hanging garlic around your neck?
[01:40:05] <Jymmm> doh
[01:41:42] <Jymmm> asdfqwega See how you are... you scared off giacus
[01:41:45] <Jymmm> =)
[01:42:23] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega tasers Jymmm
[01:43:05] <Jymmm> * Jymmm points to the chainmail armor he's wearing =)
[01:45:29] <asdfqwega> Do you also wear a tinfoil hat to ward off the mind control lasers from the CIA?
[01:47:58] <Jymmm> Close... http://www.atsemc.com/Shielding.htm
[01:48:49] <asdfqwega> Jymmm's a walking faraday cage o_O
[01:48:58] <Jymmm> lol
[01:50:20] <Jymmm> Now, if I could only make one for reality, I'd be rich!
[01:50:54] <Jymmm> "Escape life's daily frustrations and relax in our luxurious reality cage"
[01:51:00] <Jymmm> "Escape life's daily frustrations and relax in our luxurious reality proof cage"
[01:51:17] <asdfqwega> They already made that...it's called an asylum
[01:51:30] <Jymmm> Nah, they got mean ppl running those.
[01:52:29] <asdfqwega> I already know of a Reality-Impermeable Barrier
[01:52:46] <asdfqwega> Lots of people have them...they're called skulls
[01:52:47] <Jymmm> electric shock?
[01:52:51] <Jymmm> lol
[01:53:36] <asdfqwega> You can find the best ones in Washington DC
[01:54:00] <Jymmm> no shit, huh
[01:54:30] <Jymmm> somebody needs to bitchslap bush.
[01:54:48] <Jymmm> thank gawd there is a limit to how long one can be in office.
[01:55:16] <Jymmm> I guess i should say... thank Our Forfathers...
[01:56:21] <asdfqwega> Being in DC can screw up anybody
[01:56:43] <anonimasu> oh, if he's there for too much longer there will be a revolution
[01:57:07] <cradek> Jymmm: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:
[01:58:36] <Jymmm> OH WTF?!
[01:59:06] <cradek> you can't thank the forefathers for the 22nd amendment (it's much too new), but you can thank them that there's a very high bar to amend the constitution
[02:00:36] <Jymmm> *sigh*
[02:01:25] <Jymmm> I won't go into it, but that REALLY bothers me. 1st the patriot act (which should have NEVER come into play), and now this.
[02:01:44] <cradek> this is over a year old, you just missed it because it didn't hit the news
[02:02:02] <Jymmm> I dont watch news, but yeah I see it's feb2005.
[02:02:39] <cradek> I mean it wasn't publicized because everyone knew it was a ridiculous joke
[02:03:57] <Jymmm> If anything hits the floor, I don't consider it a joke.
[02:04:42] <cradek> well recently we had "I hope my approval ratings go up because I hate gay people" which similarly didn't make it into the constitution because of the hard rules for amendments
[02:05:28] <Jymmm> But that never hit the floor, did it?
[02:05:33] <cradek> it's good that the normal swing of favor isn't good enough to amend the constitution - you need a real majority of people who agree.
[02:05:40] <cradek> of course it did
[02:06:27] <Jymmm> I think I need to learn gunsmithing 101
[02:06:35] <cradek> haha
[02:06:58] <Jymmm> "Yeah you bastards, take all my guns... I 'll make more!"
[02:07:40] <Jymmm> It's sad... the only REAL thing I can think of to justify buying a lathe.
[02:07:59] <asdfqwega> I think there was a hackaday link - something about an electrically triggered derringer
[02:08:43] <asdfqwega> Instead of cap-n-ball...igniter-n-ball
[02:09:09] <cradek> "ballot box, soap box, ammo box: use them in order" (seen in someone's sig)
[02:09:34] <asdfqwega> I'm ashamed of you, Jymmm...haven't you already read and memorized:
[02:09:42] <asdfqwega> "Improvised Munitions"
[02:09:52] <asdfqwega> "Poor Man's James Bond"
[02:10:01] <asdfqwega> "Anarchists Cookbook"
[02:10:16] <asdfqwega> "Home-made C-4"
[02:10:33] <SWPadnos> four boxes: Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammunition Box
[02:10:34] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega glances over at bookshelf...
[02:11:28] <asdfqwega> Venting is allowable - speech is free. But it IS called "The Court of Last Resort" for a reason
[02:11:59] <asdfqwega> Catch-22: Bullets fly both ways.
[02:12:37] <cradek> Jymmm: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:16:./temp/~c109jMChNx::
[02:13:00] <asdfqwega> What is this, 'Get Jymmm's Goat Day'?
[02:13:08] <cradek> nah
[02:13:28] <cradek> I just wanted to show him that it was a real resolution, since he asked
[02:13:29] <SWPadnos> "Temporary file not found. Display failed."
[02:13:33] <cradek> oops
[02:13:43] <SWPadnos> heh - I couldn't load the last one either
[02:13:55] <SWPadnos> had to search for it manually
[02:14:07] <asdfqwega> Loaded for me
[02:14:24] <SWPadnos> weird
[02:14:33] <asdfqwega> Yeah, really
[02:14:42] <SWPadnos> I probably have a borked java install or something
[02:15:29] <cradek> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.88:
[02:15:50] <cradek> this looks like a better url
[02:16:15] <Jymmm> Yeah, my gf just told me they have been trying to repeal the 22nd since the 90's
[02:17:08] <asdfqwega> ...and who is trying to repeal it?
[02:17:50] <cradek> asdfqwega: Mr. HOYER (for himself, Mr. BERMAN, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, Mr. SABO, and Mr. PALLONE)
[02:18:02] <asdfqwega> Nevermind me. I just like asking questions nobody really wants the answers to.
[02:18:08] <asdfqwega> Yes, but who are they?
[02:18:15] <SWPadnos> anyone who likes the current president
[02:18:23] <asdfqwega> I've never heard of them
[02:18:24] <SWPadnos> especially if they're in their second term
[02:18:49] <SWPadnos> (the pres, that is - not the resolution proponents)
[02:19:20] <asdfqwega> Sometimes I wonder why we don't have a similar limit on our legislators
[02:19:42] <asdfqwega> Besides the difficulty of getting them to vote themselves out of office ;)
[02:19:50] <SWPadnos> I don't think there is one on legislators, only the presidency
[02:19:53] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:20:06] <SWPadnos> for legislators, it would go state by state
[02:21:30] <asdfqwega> It's laughable, really
[02:21:56] <asdfqwega> No amount of limits, term or otherwise, can really stop them
[02:22:04] <asdfqwega> You just have to WATCH them
[02:22:11] <asdfqwega> They hate that, they really do
[02:22:20] <Jymmm> where's a grassy knoll when you need it
[02:23:25] <asdfqwega> Hardly a healthy attitude if you're trying to promote your ideas, Jymmm - and bullets fly both ways
[02:24:03] <Jymmm> asdfqwega you said it yourself... they are not going to vote themselves out of office.
[02:24:19] <asdfqwega> That's OUR job
[02:25:53] <Jymmm> After the Florida voting thing a few years ago, I dodn't know that not ALL of our votes count. I feel that's just wrong.
[02:26:07] <cradek> you mean ohio?
[02:26:28] <Jymmm> No, in florida... where they had a zillion recounts or something.
[02:27:06] <cradek> oh, I thought you meant the exit polls being 40% off where there were electronic voting machines
[02:27:16] <asdfqwega> How about Chicago, where the dead vote?
[02:27:46] <jmkasunich> well, on a non-political note... my gears are gashed!
[02:27:58] <Jymmm> jmkasunich is that a good thing?
[02:28:28] <jmkasunich> yeah, gashing is the first step where the gears actually have teeth
[02:28:36] <jmkasunich> next comes hobbing, to refine the tooth shape
[02:28:36] <Jymmm> ah, cool
[02:28:48] <cradek> yay
[02:29:07] <jmkasunich> thats the good news
[02:29:13] <asdfqwega> I had a mental image of jmk with a chisel and hammer, and vengence towards all things toothy and round
[02:29:23] <jmkasunich> the bad news is that the oil sight glass on my mill gave up the ghost
[02:29:35] <SWPadnos> eeeewww - leaky
[02:29:45] <asdfqwega> Duct tape
[02:29:51] <jmkasunich> asdfqwega: gashing - http://www.metalworking.com/DropBox/_2001_retired_files/Worm08.jpg
[02:29:55] <SWPadnos> (and not Louis and Mary)
[02:29:59] <cradek> what's an oil sight glass?
[02:30:16] <jmkasunich> its the little window that lets you see what the oil level in the gearbox is
[02:30:33] <jmkasunich> or in this case, its the little hole that lets most of the gearbox oil out
[02:30:33] <cradek> ah, like a motorcycle
[02:30:39] <cradek> argh
[02:30:44] <asdfqwega> And now you can see the level directly
[02:30:48] <cradek> did you hit it with something?
[02:30:57] <jmkasunich> no, its been going for years
[02:31:02] <SWPadnos> vibro-massage
[02:31:14] <Jymmm> jmkasunich is it glass or plastic?
[02:31:20] <cradek> heh, just get a rubber test-tube stopper
[02:31:25] <jmkasunich> its some kind of clear plastic, and 65 years of constant exposure to oil took its tool
[02:31:26] <jmkasunich> toll
[02:31:39] <Jymmm> jmkasunich is it thicker than .25?
[02:31:42] <Jymmm> .25"
[02:31:44] <jmkasunich> hard to say
[02:31:58] <jmkasunich> the clear part is attached to a steel part that is screwed into the gearbox
[02:32:16] <jmkasunich> I'm gonna see if I can get that out, its doesn't look good tho, seems like other parts are on top of it
[02:32:16] <Jymmm> jmkasunich I have some acrylic .250" here, if you need a disc, let me know
[02:32:30] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: thanks for the offer
[02:32:46] <jmkasunich> but I've got some lexan here, 1/4" and 1/8"
[02:33:09] <cradek> about what diameter is it?
[02:33:18] <Jymmm> jmkasunich this is cast acrylic, less prone to microfractures when around solvents.
[02:33:19] <jmkasunich> maybe an inch (the clear part)
[02:33:30] <jmkasunich> hmmm
[02:33:43] <jmkasunich> well, wait until I get it out and see what there is to see\
[02:33:45] <cradek> if you can get the mounting piece out and turn a little shoulder, you could put a plastic watch crystal in it
[02:34:08] <asdfqwega> Steal one off of a dial indicator :)
[02:34:14] <cradek> I fixed my dropped dial caliper that way...
[02:34:19] <jmkasunich> I know its thicker than that
[02:34:36] <cradek> it's not under any pressure right? just has to be oil tight
[02:35:37] <jmkasunich> yeah
[02:35:49] <jmkasunich> I dunno if there's an o-ring, or a press fit, or what
[02:35:53] <asdfqwega> Well, time to read a tarball of code, and run a meme filter and virus scan ^_^
[02:36:13] <jmkasunich> the glass/plastic part will be easy
[02:36:27] <jmkasunich> getting the steel ring out of the machine is gonna be the hard part
[02:36:50] <cradek> or getting it to seal again when you put it back in
[02:37:10] <Jymmm> silicon
[02:39:25] <cradek> so do you have both gears done or just one?
[02:39:37] <jmkasunich> its part numver 12799 on this drawing
[02:39:55] <jmkasunich> both (setup is 90% of the job, once the first is done the 2nd is a breeze)
[02:40:04] <cradek> i figured
[02:40:04] <jmkasunich> s/numver/number
[02:40:21] <cradek> umm, we can't see your drawing from here
[02:40:28] <jmkasunich> duh
[02:40:30] <jmkasunich> http://www.quantums.info/vannorm/page12.jpg
[02:40:33] <SWPadnos> yeah - I thought it was 12798
[02:41:34] <cradek> looks thin
[02:41:41] <jmkasunich> neither that drawing nor the manual I have hear seem to show any detail
[02:42:01] <jmkasunich> for example, the real thing is a _lot_ thicker than the drawing
[02:42:10] <cradek> you think it threads in?
[02:42:17] <jmkasunich> almost certain it does
[02:42:33] <jmkasunich> there are 4 1/8" or so holes on the face, probably for spanner wrench
[02:42:48] <cradek> aha
[02:43:06] <jmkasunich> but there is a guard that needs to be removed first
[02:43:37] <jmkasunich> and IIRC, once that comes off, I think the sight glass is obstructed by one of the bearing retainers for the first shaft
[02:43:54] <jmkasunich> only way to find out is to stop gabbing and go take the guard off
[02:44:02] <jmkasunich> back later
[02:44:05] <cradek> bye
[02:44:27] <cradek> eek, I just had a brief panic thinking it was sunday night
[02:44:32] <SWPadnos> argh
[02:44:38] <SWPadnos> phew - only Saturday
[02:44:39] <asdfqwega> Heh, don't do that
[02:44:48] <cradek> not panic exactly, more like a sense of dread
[02:46:35] <asdfqwega> ...but, since it's still Saturday, I'm going to make myself a really cold screwdriver
[02:47:13] <SWPadnos> hmmm. my screwdrivers (and all my other tools) get really cold in the winter. they;re not really any easier to use. ;)
[02:47:40] <jmkasunich> darn... I remembered correctly
[02:47:54] <SWPadnos> most people like that
[02:47:56] <jmkasunich> the sight glass is just barely underneath a bearing support
[02:47:56] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega spritzes SWPadnos with OJ
[02:48:11] <jmkasunich> so the job is much more complex
[02:48:21] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos licks the OJ off his face, just like Scooby-Doo
[02:48:46] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega spritzes SWPadnos with cod liver oil
[02:48:57] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos throws up on asdfqwega
[02:49:32] <asdfqwega> Mmm, right in my mouth....delicious.
[02:49:40] <SWPadnos> glad you like it
[02:49:54] <SWPadnos> just had sushi - it should be really good
[02:50:10] <asdfqwega> So...who's laughing, and who's recoiling in horror?
[02:50:20] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:50:23] <cradek> neither here
[02:50:59] <asdfqwega> Dang...tough audience
[02:52:03] <SWPadnos> oh well - it was getting pretty juvenile anyway
[03:13:37] <jmkasunich> well, got it apart
[03:13:55] <jmkasunich> the window turns out to be only about 1/16" thick
[03:14:17] <jmkasunich> 1.335 dia
[03:15:03] <jmkasunich> pressed against a flat fiber gasket by a threaded ring
[03:15:25] <jmkasunich> unfortunately the gasket was 65 years old and brittle, and it broke
[03:15:47] <cradek> is there a shoulder for a new o-ring?
[03:16:06] <jmkasunich> the gasket is almost 1.5" OD, and 1" ID
[03:16:14] <jmkasunich> and it mates with a face the same size
[03:16:25] <cradek> hmm, so you'll need something flat
[03:16:44] <jmkasunich> either that or a very thin o-ring
[03:16:58] <jmkasunich> 0.030 thick by 1.25 diameter would do the trick nicely
[03:17:15] <cradek> so how does the glass or plastic mount?
[03:17:33] <jmkasunich> wish I could draw it... anyway, here goes
[03:18:00] <jmkasunich> you got a hole in the casting, threaded 1.5" x something kinda fine (maybe 24 tpi)
[03:18:26] <jmkasunich> at the bottom of the hole is a step, down to 1.0" diameter
[03:18:49] <jmkasunich> the retainer is a ring, OD 1.5 x 24? thread, ID about 1", and about 1/4 thick
[03:19:10] <jmkasunich> so into the hole you stick the gasket, the window, and the ring
[03:19:34] <jmkasunich> tightening the ring presses the window and the gasket against the step in the bottom of the old
[03:19:45] <cradek> so the ring's back tightens right against the window
[03:20:00] <jmkasunich> back = inside surface, yes
[03:20:10] <cradek> is the ring's back nicely finished?
[03:20:24] <jmkasunich> yeah, machined
[03:20:24] <cradek> (I'm wondering if you could use glass)
[03:20:42] <jmkasunich> probably
[03:20:53] <jmkasunich> I could even lap the back of the ring if needed
[03:21:11] <jmkasunich> still need a compliant seal between the glass and the step in the casting
[03:21:40] <jmkasunich> gotta figure out what that thread actually is
[03:21:50] <cradek> why?
[03:22:00] <jmkasunich> the major diameter (OD of the ring) is 1.555
[03:22:19] <jmkasunich> any window (glass for instance) needs to fit past the minor diameter of the female threads in the casting
[03:22:51] <jmkasunich> duh, I can just go out and measure that
[03:22:56] <cradek> I guess that's important if you're going to use a thin o-ring
[03:22:58] <jmkasunich> I bet it will take a 1.5" disk
[03:23:12] <jmkasunich> its important if I'm gonna use glass
[03:23:24] <jmkasunich> can't turn down the OD of a glass disk if it needs to be 1.495
[03:23:38] <cradek> right
[03:23:47] <cradek> well you can, but ...
[03:24:06] <cradek> you said the old window was 1.335
[03:24:24] <jmkasunich> yeah, but it might have shrunk
[03:24:31] <cradek> true
[03:24:45] <jmkasunich> the OD of the gasket seems to be 1.500
[03:24:57] <jmkasunich> and I don't recall any trouble pulling it out past the threads
[03:25:17] <jmkasunich> (that's not when it broke, it broke while I was cleaning old oil sludge off of it)
[03:25:32] <jmkasunich> gonna measure the thread ID, back soon
[03:27:09] <jmkasunich> ID of the thread is 1.510, so a 1.5 disk will fit in
[03:27:16] <jmkasunich> depth is 0.375
[03:27:31] <jmkasunich> the ring is 0.255
[03:27:45] <jmkasunich> so the disk plus gasket/o-ring needs to be less than 0.120
[03:29:13] <jmkasunich> thinest 1.5" dia glass disk in Mcmaster is 1/8
[03:29:17] <jmkasunich> no room for gasket
[03:32:40] <Jymmm> jmkasunich silicon in in place?
[03:33:09] <jmkasunich> that would be a last resort
[03:33:17] <jmkasunich> I absolutely hate silicon
[03:33:24] <Jymmm> really? how come?
[03:33:53] <jmkasunich> for one thing, how is the next guy gonna get the sight glass back out and clean the glop off?
[03:34:43] <cradek> I found 1.6, 1.75, 2.0 glass disks, no 1.5
[03:35:19] <jmkasunich> how thick?
[03:35:36] <cradek> 2mm maybe
[03:36:16] <cradek> I do have domed plastic 38.1mm (1.500")
[03:36:26] <jmkasunich> oh, you mean "I found in my stash", not "I found in a catalog"
[03:36:28] <cradek> don't know if it would work or not, it might
[03:36:31] <cradek> yeah
[03:36:50] <jmkasunich> some plastics like oil, some don't
[03:36:53] <cradek> right
[03:37:25] <Jymmm> 25mm 1.5mm - would that work?
[03:37:36] <jmkasunich> its very tempting (for now) to make a thin sheet metal disk, and drill a 1/32 hole in the center
[03:37:40] <cradek> no he needs 1.5"
[03:37:48] <jmkasunich> install it, add oil till it drips out the hole, done
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[03:38:33] <cradek> that would sure get you by
[03:39:02] <jmkasunich> oops, forgot about the seal issue
[03:39:11] <cradek> you'd still need to go get an o-ring
[03:39:29] <Jymmm> http://rolynoptics.thomasnet.com/category/flat-glass-and-windows?&plpver=10
[03:39:50] <Jymmm> they might not have it on thomasnet... http://rolynoptics.thomasnet.com/viewitems/flat-glass-and-windows/flat-glass?&pagenum=2&sortid=1071
[03:40:14] <cradek> heh I didn't even think of looking through the stash of optical stuff
[03:40:27] <cradek> chances are not good of finding anything flat enough though
[03:40:36] <jmkasunich> problem with thomas (usually) is that you'll find 10 vendors who would be happy to sell you a truckload if you are a business
[03:40:48] <jmkasunich> nobody who will take a credit card number and send you one
[03:40:48] <Jymmm> they have $2.37 pricing
[03:41:02] <Jymmm> jmkasunich ask for a sample then
[03:41:12] <cradek> I hate playing that game
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[10:45:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> mmkay, thanks
[10:47:55] <alex_joni> np
[11:14:02] <A-L-P-H-A> sup peeps!
[11:14:11] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, you play suduko?
[11:14:32] <alex_joni> not really
[11:14:41] <anonimasu> :)
[11:14:46] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... I need to find someone smart to challenge.
[11:14:54] <A-L-P-H-A> sudokucombat.com
[11:15:19] <alex_joni> I need to go lay the table
[11:15:23] <anonimasu> howcome?
[11:15:30] <alex_joni> lunchtime ;)
[11:15:31] <anonimasu> hm, my spindle is finished
[11:15:36] <anonimasu> I just need a lock washer
[11:15:42] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, what kind of spindle?
[11:15:46] <anonimasu> mill spindle
[11:15:51] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... highspeed?
[11:15:59] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, photos? plans? designs? cad drawings?
[11:16:02] <anonimasu> well, 5600rpm..
[11:16:04] <anonimasu> no
[11:16:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I need a motor for my spindle.
[11:16:23] <anonimasu> I'm doing huydralic
[11:16:26] <A-L-P-H-A> it's supposed to do 15K+ rpm... (small endmills)
[11:16:31] <anonimasu> I'
[11:16:36] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... how's that work?
[11:16:45] <anonimasu> a pump + motor and a huydralic motor mounted at the spindle
[11:16:54] <anonimasu> and a oil cooler
[11:17:00] <A-L-P-H-A> why'd you go hydralic motor? just wondering.
[11:17:12] <anonimasu> beucause having to move 4kw around brings more issues
[11:17:18] <anonimasu> err a 4kw..
[11:17:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I've never seen a hydralic motor.
[11:17:35] <anonimasu> and the huydralic motor weighs 1kg..
[11:17:39] <anonimasu> or 600g
[11:17:43] <A-L-P-H-A> for real?
[11:17:45] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:17:51] <A-L-P-H-A> take some photos! :)
[11:17:54] <anonimasu> hehe ;)
[11:17:58] <anonimasu> though later
[11:18:07] <A-L-P-H-A> how much is the pump?
[11:18:19] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the pressure going into that motor?
[11:18:19] <anonimasu> http://www2.northerntool.com/product-1/200321041.htm
[11:18:33] <anonimasu> I think about 150bar..
[11:18:39] <anonimasu> cant remember what we did calcs on
[11:18:44] <fenn> i'm thinking of using an airmotor
[11:18:53] <anonimasu> that's a larger one..
[11:19:07] <anonimasu> but it'll deliver somewhere around 100kw max..
[11:19:12] <anonimasu> the one I have
[11:19:18] <A-L-P-H-A> 1000rpm? geared up to give you 5.6K?
[11:19:26] <anonimasu> ah, no, mine's faster :)
[11:19:30] <anonimasu> that's just a hydraulic motor
[11:19:35] <A-L-P-H-A> says it's 1000rpm.
[11:19:38] <A-L-P-H-A> max.
[11:19:46] <A-L-P-H-A> and 8 lbs!
[11:19:54] <A-L-P-H-A> huge torque.
[11:20:02] <anonimasu> x§yeah
[11:20:14] <anonimasu> I'm calculating 5600rpm and 4kw..
[11:20:39] <anonimasu> it'll end up very silent too
[11:21:03] <anonimasu> I'm looking for a source of the toolchanger grippers for making a drawbar
[11:21:07] <A-L-P-H-A> still looking for your motor. heh
[11:21:24] <anonimasu> it's from some company called specma huydraulics..
[11:22:19] <anonimasu> I doubt you can find it on the net
[11:22:21] <A-L-P-H-A> swede?
[11:22:23] <anonimasu> ordered it through work
[11:23:03] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... that's kind of interesting to me... seriously.
[11:23:22] <anonimasu> I went with it because I didnt feel like having a L coupling and gearbox in the mill
[11:23:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd need a resevoir, pump+motor unit, spindle motor, hoses...
[11:23:32] <anonimasu> it ends up almost totally silent too
[11:23:49] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, this is a cool idea to me...
[11:24:09] <anonimasu> :)
[11:24:16] <anonimasu> ask and I'll tell you more..
[11:24:19] <A-L-P-H-A> what happens for an emegeny shutoff?
[11:25:11] <anonimasu> just close the valve that provides oil to the spindle..
[11:25:34] <A-L-P-H-A> silinoid?
[11:25:35] <anonimasu> or turn off the pump..
[11:25:39] <anonimasu> no hydraulic valve
[11:25:45] <A-L-P-H-A> but there'd still be pressure in the hoses.
[11:26:23] <anonimasu> all depends on how you build it..
[11:26:25] <fenn> you better hope there isnt pressure in the hoses
[11:26:48] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, there'd HAVE to be pressure in the hoses... how else would you get it to drive the mechanism.
[11:27:12] <fenn> hydraulic systems should be rigid or you risk getting blasted with high pressure jet if the hose springs a leak
[11:27:31] <fenn> if there's no elasticity in the system there wont be enough energy to hurt you
[11:27:44] <fenn> * fenn shrugs helplessly
[11:27:57] <A-L-P-H-A> hmmmmmmmm.
[11:28:18] <A-L-P-H-A> so the pressure is all based on the flow of liquid?
[11:28:36] <A-L-P-H-A> very different then air systems.
[11:28:41] <giacus> morning
[11:28:47] <fenn> if the pump is off there should be no pressure
[11:28:53] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn... okay.
[11:29:05] <fenn> some hydraulic systems have "accumulators" which are like air tanks
[11:29:07] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, so is this relatively safe?
[11:29:47] <fenn> those systems are less safe because if it springs a leak you still have 150 bar of pressure behind the leak
[11:29:52] <anonimasu> hm, you can switch that back to tank when you turn it off..
[11:32:17] <anonimasu> brb, i need to do some cleaning
[11:33:05] <alex_joni> fenn: we're selling coating pumps (paint at up to 530 bars)
[11:33:13] <alex_joni> so I understand your concearn
[11:33:46] <A-L-P-H-A> http://74.118.146.21/drawboard/ green is the pump, pink it the reservoir, blue thing is the motor...
[11:34:07] <fenn> * fenn hisses at evil nasty java
[11:34:45] <alex_joni> bbl
[11:34:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I may write a nice flash app, to have a drawboard.
[11:34:58] <fenn> flash is even worse
[11:35:04] <A-L-P-H-A> but everyone has flash. :)
[11:35:26] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, you're choices of drawing are limited really to those two platforms.
[11:35:33] <fenn> SSI and imagemaps baby
[11:35:52] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, stop complaining, and write your own. :P hehe.
[11:36:00] <fenn> its not like you're going to be doing sophisticated drawings with that anyway
[11:36:13] <anonimasu> iab
[11:36:57] <anonimasu> well, I'm going to have a valve leading the pressure back to tank in case something goes wrong..
[11:37:47] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, probably a better idea to have a valve that shunts to the reservoire, and a kill on the motor.
[11:37:58] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the cost to the whole setup like this?
[11:37:58] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:38:17] <A-L-P-H-A> the reservoire can just be really any tank right?
[11:38:21] <anonimasu> I dont know honestly
[11:38:22] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:40:02] <anonimasu> I'm going to be monitoring the pressure with the plc too for safety
[11:40:44] <anonimasu> most hydralics will end up behind the machine with covers
[11:40:55] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: I cant see that drawing
[11:41:11] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, should still be there... says you're not connected.
[11:41:21] <A-L-P-H-A> says only I'm connected... with "1" viewer.
[11:41:24] <anonimasu> just wait a sec :)
[11:41:45] <A-L-P-H-A> holy crap... the pumps are $550cdn + tax!!!
[11:42:07] <anonimasu> what kind of pump?
[11:42:18] <A-L-P-H-A> wooo... sec. I'll share the pdf.
[11:42:33] <anonimasu> and how many l/min
[11:42:42] <anonimasu> olk
[11:42:57] <anonimasu> installing j2re now
[11:43:21] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lloydleung.com/HYD-CAN.pdf uploading it now... will be finished in 1min...
[11:43:36] <A-L-P-H-A> 50
[11:43:43] <A-L-P-H-A> 40
[11:43:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 30
[11:44:02] <A-L-P-H-A> 20
[11:44:11] <A-L-P-H-A> 10
[11:44:22] <A-L-P-H-A> done
[11:44:27] <anonimasu> ok
[11:44:28] <anonimasu> looking
[11:45:06] <anonimasu> it's one like E that I have
[11:45:14] <anonimasu> electric power pack
[11:45:21] <A-L-P-H-A> page what?
[11:45:26] <anonimasu> 9
[11:45:38] <anonimasu> that price cant be right
[11:45:39] <A-L-P-H-A> that's only 3.8GPM.
[11:45:52] <anonimasu> it's similiar..
[11:46:01] <A-L-P-H-A> why can't hte price be right?
[11:46:09] <A-L-P-H-A> high/low?
[11:46:11] <anonimasu> because it seems insanely expensive
[11:46:22] <A-L-P-H-A> this is retail.
[11:46:23] <anonimasu> but, I have no idea really
[11:46:48] <anonimasu> how many cc is a gallon
[11:46:54] <A-L-P-H-A> lets check mcmaster then.
[11:47:00] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, don't forget, that's CDN.
[11:47:02] <anonimasu> ah
[11:47:03] <A-L-P-H-A> so minute 10%.
[11:47:33] <anonimasu> yeha that's right
[11:48:12] <anonimasu> hm, just had to try it :)
[11:48:26] <A-L-P-H-A> heh. feel free.
[11:48:37] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a fun little app... great for conveying ideas.
[11:48:40] <anonimasu> your drawingg's right
[11:48:42] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:48:56] <anonimasu> it ends up being cheaper then a regular spindle anyway
[11:49:04] <fenn> really..
[11:49:09] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:49:43] <anonimasu> but I get nice prices on all the stuff
[11:49:53] <anonimasu> but, it shouldnt be end up too expensive
[11:50:04] <anonimasu> you can use old pumps/motors if you look in the right places
[11:50:08] <A-L-P-H-A> so are you using an electric pump?
[11:50:19] <anonimasu> electric motor that couples to a gear pump
[11:50:56] <A-L-P-H-A> 930rpm hyraulic motor = $190CDN... page 16.
[11:52:15] <anonimasu> going to meet dad later today, so I'm gonna ask him aboutit
[11:52:49] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, learn and share! :)
[11:53:08] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: the only thing I dont know is the price ;)
[11:53:52] <anonimasu> my spindle is like this
[11:54:03] <anonimasu> -|<>-
[11:54:16] <A-L-P-H-A> http://74.118.146.21/drawboard/
[11:54:29] <anonimasu> ok
[11:54:37] <A-L-P-H-A> skull and bone is clear
[11:54:39] <anonimasu> im there now :)
[11:54:40] <fenn> dont.. do it!
[11:54:47] <anonimasu> fenn: ?
[11:54:52] <fenn> * fenn screeches
[11:55:02] <fenn> * fenn flings poop at the drawboard
[11:55:35] <A-L-P-H-A> he doesn't like java.
[11:55:41] <anonimasu> one radial and 2 angular contact bearings.. in duplex
[11:55:42] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, would you be constructive!
[11:56:03] <A-L-P-H-A> Quite impeding on my learning. :P
[11:56:09] <anonimasu> preloaded
[11:56:19] <anonimasu> it should work nicely
[11:56:27] <anonimasu> and survive heavy passes
[11:57:02] <anonimasu> hopefully
[11:57:20] <A-L-P-H-A> well... the motor should be like a few HP right?
[11:57:27] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:57:43] <anonimasu> mine's at 5.44
[11:57:54] <anonimasu> err ~5hp
[11:58:07] <A-L-P-H-A> and at the spindle how many HP will be at 5.6Krpm?
[11:58:15] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: a recent study shows that immaturity is necessary in order for learning to take place: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/06/23/immature_hum.html?category=human&guid=20060623110030
[11:58:42] <A-L-P-H-A> how many GPM is the motor, and how much can your pump supply?
[12:01:53] <A-L-P-H-A> just seems simple enough to use an electric motor.
[12:06:48] <anonimasu> iab
[12:07:02] <anonimasu> 15.95l/min
[12:07:03] <anonimasu> is the pump
[12:07:37] <A-L-P-H-A> 4.2GPM
[12:07:46] <anonimasu> 15.95/3.5cc(motor)=5582rpm
[12:07:48] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.google.com/search?q=15.95+l+to+gallon&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[12:07:57] <anonimasu> that's 1:1 without gearing
[12:08:11] <A-L-P-H-A> wow... that motor can handle that much?
[12:08:15] <anonimasu> and the pump is 11cc
[12:08:16] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:08:49] <anonimasu> it's about 400eur for pump and motor
[12:08:59] <A-L-P-H-A> $600CDN.
[12:09:26] <A-L-P-H-A> 1 = ~1.50CDN
[12:09:30] <anonimasu> 4.5kw as motor
[12:09:50] <anonimasu> there isnt too many losses in the system either so over 4kw at the spindle..
[12:09:50] <A-L-P-H-A> oh! dropped.
[12:09:59] <anonimasu> way over :)
[12:10:01] <A-L-P-H-A> 1 = $1.40573CDN
[12:10:23] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.xe.com/
[12:10:36] <anonimasu> if you need more speed you can gear, too, but I'm not as I probaly dont have feed for any faster
[12:12:09] <A-L-P-H-A> I haven't slept yet... :(
[12:12:36] <A-L-P-H-A> Now I need to go check out a computer system... argh... all this so I can buy a 2 gig flash drive.
[12:12:38] <A-L-P-H-A> bbl.
[12:13:23] <anonimasu> hehe
[12:13:23] <anonimasu> ok
[12:14:14] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: is the whole setup unreasonable?
[12:14:35] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: since it's so light tilting the spindle isnt unreasonable either :)
[12:42:38] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu? what's unreasonable?
[12:42:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm lost
[12:58:46] <A-L-P-H-A> bbl
[14:19:16] <jepler> oh cool http://googtube.blogspot.com/2006/06/rubiks-cube-solving-robot.html
[14:24:42] <alex_joni> heh, love those encoders :D
[14:25:37] <alex_joni> that looks like an old amd (k5 probably)
[14:28:51] <alex_joni> jepler: but this one works better ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC7-lgyoA54&mode=related&search=
[14:55:30] <A-L-P-H-A> speed cubing... impressive.
[14:56:07] <A-L-P-H-A> people are still connected to my drawboard? heh.
[14:56:11] <A-L-P-H-A> http://74.118.146.21/drawboard/
[15:02:27] <A-L-P-H-A> muahahah! England Rulez!
[15:04:11] <A-L-P-H-A> someone want to explain to me how the ranking systems work in the worldcup?
[15:04:36] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: there are several stages
[15:05:01] <alex_joni> first they play groups (4 teams in each group, each play each. 1 points for ties, 3 points for victory)
[15:05:11] <A-L-P-H-A> okay.
[15:05:14] <alex_joni> afterwardsteh first 2 in each group qualify further
[15:05:20] <A-L-P-H-A> so they only play each other in that same group.
[15:05:28] <alex_joni> initially yes
[15:05:32] <A-L-P-H-A> afterwards?
[15:05:38] <A-L-P-H-A> the lower two, get eliminated.
[15:05:42] <alex_joni> afterwards the first from each group plays a second from another group
[15:05:53] <alex_joni> and from there on it's a piramid
[15:06:02] <alex_joni> only one match, till there is a winner
[15:06:23] <A-L-P-H-A> k... this is where I'm confused... I understood the first stage.
[15:06:26] <alex_joni> 1/8, 1/4, semifinal and final
[15:06:26] <A-L-P-H-A> this second stage...
[15:06:46] <alex_joni> well, you have 16 teams
[15:06:57] <alex_joni> after the groups (8 groups x 2 teams)
[15:07:08] <A-L-P-H-A> oh... to this is the tournaments... you lose you're out now?
[15:07:09] <alex_joni> so you'll have 8 matches, and 8 winners
[15:07:14] <alex_joni> right
[15:07:26] <alex_joni> then 4 matches, 4 winners, and so on
[15:07:56] <A-L-P-H-A> so... it was the funky 8 groups of 4... and now it's 16... then 8, then semi's... then finals.
[15:08:02] <alex_joni> right
[15:08:11] <A-L-P-H-A> okay! that makes sense now. Thanks aj.
[15:08:27] <alex_joni> np
[15:08:31] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, who you cheering for? :)
[15:08:43] <alex_joni> I'm not really chearing :D
[15:09:15] <A-L-P-H-A> was RO even in?
[15:09:26] <alex_joni> not this time
[15:10:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I really like the english jersey.
[15:18:40] <A-L-P-H-A> one stupid thing about soccer, the players fake their falls/pushes and other BS like that
[15:24:25] <A-L-P-H-A> pretty http://www.deviantart.com/view/14080073/
[15:25:15] <ottos> hello gents..
[15:25:18] <A-L-P-H-A> woohoo! someone Torontonian!
[15:25:56] <ottos> yup.. close..
[15:26:07] <A-L-P-H-A> [11:31:30] * Joins: ottos (n=ottos@Toronto-HSE-ppp3896694.sympatico.ca)
[15:26:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm in pickering
[15:26:26] <A-L-P-H-A> some other fool is from Oshawa
[15:26:37] <A-L-P-H-A> that's bout us from Ontario... :(
[15:26:42] <ottos> nice..
[15:26:58] <ottos> ya.. like the 3 musketeers..
[15:27:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> but there are plenty of us here from borkborkbork country!
[15:27:24] <A-L-P-H-A> Lerneaen_Hydra... yeah... why is that?
[15:28:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> A-L-P-H-A: why there are many from borkborkbork-land? how would I know that?
[15:28:22] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: wow its amazing how many corporate/national/religious logos you can make with that deviantart script
[15:28:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Lerneaen_Hydra... don't you go to the borkborkbork meetings? You should know if you've been invited. ;P
[15:28:32] <ottos> no kangaroo assotiation allowed.. :D
[15:28:34] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, cool script though.
[15:28:44] <A-L-P-H-A> ottos, that's for the aussies.
[15:28:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> :(... I havn't been to them yet
[15:29:11] <A-L-P-H-A> we canucks just eat beaver tails and enjoy maple syrup, in our igloos.
[15:29:31] <A-L-P-H-A> Lerneaen_Hydra... you should be more nice to them... maybe they'll invite you, and share hot cocoa with you.
[15:30:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ooh! sounds promising
[15:30:26] <A-L-P-H-A> hehehe... didn't ikea get sued, for not drawing female (stick) figures in their assembly diagrams. I'm pretty sure it wasn't successful, and probably a clever ploy for free publicity.
[15:30:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> A-L-P-H-A: I hadn't heard of that, sounds like many of the other similar suits going around...
[15:31:14] <jmkasunich> I didn't know stick figures had gender
[15:31:51] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich, I'm not making it up... I read that months ago.
[15:32:06] <SWPadnos> in the words of Jessica Rabbit: "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way"
[15:32:23] <giacus> * giacus rendering ..
[15:32:52] <jmkasunich> by definition: if it has a figure, it ain't a stick! ;-)
[15:33:13] <ottos> nice..
[15:33:51] <A-L-P-H-A> Swedish furniture-maker IKEA was accused of sexual discrimination for featuring only men in the instruction manuals that come with its flat-pack coffee tables and bookcases, reports Reuters.
[15:33:51] <A-L-P-H-A> Because it fears offending Muslims with pictures of women, the company routinely uses only men or cartoon figures of indeterminate sex in its manuals.
[15:33:51] <A-L-P-H-A> Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik of Norway, however, called the practice discriminatory and is demanding that it stop.
[15:34:10] <jmkasunich> thats just dumb
[15:34:26] <jmkasunich> esp the part about offending muslims
[15:34:46] <jmkasunich> I think they should have women in bikinis ;-)
[15:34:50] <SWPadnos> well, if you want to sell to muslims, it's best to not offend them
[15:34:52] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.google.com/search?hs=Avq&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=IKEA+sexual+discrimination&btnG=Search
[15:35:02] <A-L-P-H-A> hahah...
[15:35:15] <SWPadnos> similarly, putting in little devil-people would probably reduce sales to evangelical christians ;)
[15:35:19] <A-L-P-H-A> so offend a small fractional segment, or offend 1/2 the population?
[15:35:24] <A-L-P-H-A> hehehe
[15:35:39] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos. non-evangelical christians.
[15:36:05] <SWPadnos> roman catholics?
[15:36:27] <A-L-P-H-A> re-read what you typed. :)
[15:36:52] <jmkasunich> A-L-P-H-A: what he typed makes sense to me
[15:36:56] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe they should make them into cartoon blobs instead... like barbapopas.
[15:37:05] <SWPadnos> yeah - it still makes sense to me, too ;)
[15:37:19] <SWPadnos> that would offend people who like Casper
[15:37:24] <SWPadnos> oh, wait
[15:37:28] <A-L-P-H-A> No it doesn't... how's little devil people going to help sell to bible thumpers?
[15:37:28] <SWPadnos> :)
[15:37:38] <SWPadnos> ... reduce sales ...
[15:37:40] <jmkasunich> it would _reduce_ sales
[15:37:43] <A-L-P-H-A> barbapapas...
[15:39:06] <A-L-P-H-A> See, that's a poorly worded sentence... as you could interrupt that to as "...reduce (all) sales to (specifically) evangelical christians"
[15:39:33] <jmkasunich> grammar police alert!
[15:39:37] <SWPadnos> sure. put in images that are offensive to (group), and sales to (group) will be reduced ...
[15:40:04] <SWPadnos> assuming that they can look at the manual before buying ;)
[15:40:25] <jmkasunich> put in images that are offensive to group A (small) and attractive to group B (large) and net sales will increase
[15:40:27] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos... honestly... it made no sense to me, till we put in some punctuation. Not trying to be an ass... but it really didn't make sense to me.
[15:40:31] <jmkasunich> hence, the bikinis
[15:40:54] <SWPadnos> bikinis would piss off both muslims *and* evangelicals ... ;)
[15:41:00] <SWPadnos> but I'd be happy
[15:41:05] <ottos> forget bikinis , how about hairy armpits..
[15:41:05] <A-L-P-H-A> the sad thing is, ikea furniture does require instructions...
[15:41:16] <giacus> hello
[15:41:23] <jmkasunich> religious fundies of all flavors aren't that differnt
[15:41:24] <giacus> what's the topic ? :)
[15:41:32] <A-L-P-H-A> and they're damn hard to read... I put together my friend's dresser... and she was happy with it, but I did screw up the "first" time I put it together.
[15:41:50] <SWPadnos> http://www.alwayswow.com/archive/2005/03/types_of_job_sk.html
[15:41:54] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, how you're getting a vasectomy.
[15:42:08] <A-L-P-H-A> buahhaha. :)
[15:42:10] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: forgot it
[15:42:27] <giacus> maybe you're familiar with it :D
[15:42:41] <A-L-P-H-A> argh...
[15:42:48] <giacus> not ?
[15:43:14] <giacus> well, found a nice feature in blender
[15:43:26] <A-L-P-H-A> a friend of mine, said something bad to me... we were talking about kids.. I told her "Luckily I don't have any!" her reply was "That you know of!"
[15:43:28] <giacus> a movie can be added to a plane :P
[15:43:35] <A-L-P-H-A> that made me feel kind of sick to my stomach... :(
[15:43:43] <giacus> rendering the movie ..
[15:44:11] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, 3DS could do that since version 3... and we're talking 3D Studios, not 3D Studios Max.
[15:44:28] <A-L-P-H-A> That was... 1994...
[15:44:40] <giacus> that's nice in blender, since you can import movies or audio
[15:44:52] <giacus> then re-elaborate it with cinelerra
[15:44:58] <giacus> and its coool :P
[15:45:43] <A-L-P-H-A> "re-elaborate"?
[15:45:59] <giacus> elaborate again
[15:46:03] <SWPadnos> resample?
[15:46:10] <A-L-P-H-A> <confused>
[15:46:12] <SWPadnos> replay?
[15:46:13] <giacus> exactly
[15:46:16] <giacus> perfect !
[15:46:29] <giacus> that ..
[15:46:31] <giacus> :)
[15:47:15] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, you may like this... http://www.deviantart.com/view/14080073/
[15:47:28] <giacus> looking
[15:47:52] <fenn> lol i actually know what a barbapapa is
[15:48:24] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a blob... that I could think of... I didn't want to blob... I wanted to be more obscure.
[15:48:47] <giacus> no, I hate flash ..
[15:49:05] <giacus> really bad, closed proprietary format
[15:49:38] <giacus> bleah ^_-
[15:50:15] <ottos> bit off topic, for Ontario peeps, someone knows a good spot for cycle helmets.?
[15:50:20] <fenn> its probably the only flash thing i've thought worth actually looking at
[15:50:26] <A-L-P-H-A> ottos, umm... MEC?
[15:50:57] <A-L-P-H-A> King and Peter downtown.
[15:51:39] <ottos> any perso refer.?
[15:53:18] <A-L-P-H-A> ottos? you know what MEC is?
[15:53:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Mountain Equipment Coop... www.mec.ca
[15:53:46] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_listing.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302693161&bmUID=1151251199968
[15:54:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I have an oro... if I start cycling again, I'd buy a new one... as foam degrads over time... and I'm sure the helmet is near useless to protect my nogg'n
[15:54:45] <ottos> checking... cheers.
[15:55:38] <A-L-P-H-A> they should have a bunch of different colors and stuff... they will also be one of the lower prices... not the lowest, but on the lower end.
[15:56:12] <A-L-P-H-A> if you're up town... Bayview and Cummer has a bike shop... they'd sell helmets, but I don't know how much.
[15:56:17] <A-L-P-H-A> any bike shop would as well.
[15:56:39] <A-L-P-H-A> Canadian Tire, Walmart, Zellers, would probaly have them as well.
[15:57:35] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... odd. http://www.fox30online.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5D7C3B7D-A2EC-437B-80F4-FF319371B0E0
[15:57:46] <ottos> wrong cycle... moto..
[15:57:58] <A-L-P-H-A> OH!
[15:59:32] <A-L-P-H-A> Any motorbike shop. hahaha.... there's one in Scarborough... umm... sheppard, between mccowan and midland... yamaha or honda cycleworld? I think...
[16:05:11] <ottos> been there.. not impressed..
[16:05:57] <A-L-P-H-A> no clue... not into bikes myself... there's always Oshawa... probably way more selection out that way...
[16:06:06] <A-L-P-H-A> considering hells angels and what not.
[16:06:59] <ottos> .. :D
[16:07:35] <ottos> I'm wondering is someone at this time working at improoving the traj planner?
[16:07:48] <A-L-P-H-A> hog helmet? or sport helmet?
[16:08:10] <A-L-P-H-A> ottos, there was some work... I don't know what happened, or any progression.
[16:08:38] <ottos> sport.. like the HJC.. shoei, etc..
[16:09:53] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... I dunno where my friend bought his...
[16:10:11] <A-L-P-H-A> beckham scores!!!!
[16:10:29] <A-L-P-H-A> http://digg.com/links/Google_Maps:_British_Military_Base_in_Indian_Ocean_ that's whacked
[16:10:59] <ottos> eng. equador right..?
[16:11:07] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[16:12:00] <ottos> good game..?
[16:13:45] <A-L-P-H-A> not bad...
[16:17:08] <A-L-P-H-A> silly brits. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5110742.stm hahahaha.
[17:35:10] <jepler> OK, hopefully that's all the disruption for the cvs server
[17:35:34] <cradek> that was fast
[17:36:52] <jepler> I had to move the servers temporarily into a different room
[17:36:57] <alex_joni> heh
[17:37:25] <jepler> .. and now I have to move the rest of the contents of that room
[17:37:38] <jepler> the plumber comes on tuesday and the computer room is right below the bathroom he's working on
[17:38:22] <cradek> what kind of a half-rate hosting company is this anyway?
[17:39:43] <jepler> "zero-rate" you mean
[17:39:45] <cradek> yayyyyy
[17:40:47] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/lathecomp.png
[17:41:43] <cradek> uncompensated and compensated paths for tool type 2
[17:42:29] <cradek> crap, it's not right
[17:42:47] <cradek> well, maybe it is
[17:43:35] <cradek> yes, yes it is
[17:43:38] <cradek> I think
[17:44:11] <alex_joni> probably possibly
[17:44:17] <cradek> haha
[17:44:31] <cradek> the "right" two arcs are uncompensated
[17:44:36] <cradek> the "left" are the comp path
[17:44:51] <cradek> yes I think it's right
[17:47:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it's correct (AFAICT) if the arcs with the larger radius are uncompensated arcs
[17:47:30] <cradek> they are
[17:47:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> that is to say, shallower curves are uncompensated
[17:47:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok, that sounds very promising :D
[17:47:59] <cradek> no, the larger radius arcs are the compensated path
[17:48:03] <cradek> you've got it backwards
[17:48:12] <cradek> tool type 2, pointing to the upper left
[17:48:31] <cradek> haha wait
[17:48:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what is the line representing?
[17:48:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> tool origin path?
[17:48:41] <cradek> one of them gets a smaller radius, one larger
[17:48:45] <cradek> yes tool origin
[17:49:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> which is located "outside" of the tool
[17:49:04] <cradek> yes
[17:49:14] <cradek> to the upper left of the programmed path
[17:49:26] <alex_joni> cradek: to make it easily comprehendable, I think AXIS needs to show the tool shape & size ;)
[17:49:30] <cradek> so the lower arc when compensated gets a larger radius, the upper one gets a smaller radius
[17:49:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, yeah. of course
[17:49:43] <cradek> alex_joni: I think it will show at least the shape
[17:50:04] <alex_joni> great
[17:50:05] <cradek> I think it's absurd but it's also working :-)
[17:50:13] <alex_joni> what is absurd?
[17:50:21] <cradek> the origin being outside the tool
[17:50:30] <cradek> but I understand why it's that way
[17:50:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cradek: would it be easy to get coloring in axis for compensated and uncompensated lines by some easy setting?
[17:51:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> not that it should matter later, a typical OP. just types G41/42 and things just work
[17:51:27] <cradek> it would be possible, but not trivial
[17:51:45] <cradek> yes you don't normally see both paths
[17:51:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok, I wouldn't deem it very important
[17:51:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> exactly
[17:53:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, is there any chance of a GUI to change colors later on?
[17:53:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> rather than the command-line settings?
[17:54:09] <cradek> it's certainly not a priority
[17:54:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[17:55:27] <etla> hi all, anyone tried running python on winXP ?
[17:56:38] <alex_joni> etla: I tried with AXIS, but gave up after a couple of days
[17:56:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cradek: did the angle image make sense? would using something like that be suitable?
[17:57:01] <etla> alex: I'm getting some 16-bit DOS error
[17:57:10] <etla> googling for it right now...-
[17:57:18] <alex_joni> what version of python?
[17:57:33] <etla> not sure exactly, must have come with cygwin
[17:58:26] <alex_joni> oh, didn't like that one
[17:58:28] <cradek> Lerneaen_Hydra2: I think the approach is good but I would probably make +z (which is consistently to the right) be zero
[17:58:43] <etla> alex: ok, I'm downloading the latest one now from python.org
[17:59:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cradek: by +Z would that make the current axis -X?
[18:00:14] <cradek> yes
[18:00:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok. any reason for choosing that axis?
[18:01:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I couldn't think of any reason to choose any axis at all, I just took one arbitrarily
[18:01:15] <cradek> in math 0 degrees is to the right, and conveniently on lathes +z is "always" to the right, unlike +x which is unpredictable
[18:01:20] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/lathecomp-orientation6.png
[18:01:31] <cradek> highlighted path is the compensated one
[18:02:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> that profile looks suspicious to me
[18:02:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> at least, that image does (orientation 6)
[18:02:21] <cradek> it did to me too, but after thinking about it I think it's right
[18:02:45] <cradek> think of a round tool with a "handle" pointing down
[18:02:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> all moves along only one axis have zero compensation
[18:03:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, it's tooltype 9/8?
[18:03:12] <cradek> trace the upper tip of this along the right path
[18:03:16] <cradek> no it's 6
[18:03:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> which was that?
[18:03:29] <cradek> the top center on your drawing
[18:03:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, then the profile is correct. I was thinking tooltype 2
[18:03:54] <cradek> ah
[18:04:34] <cradek> I'm a little stunned but I think this is actually done
[18:04:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> tools like that have their maximum compensation when going +-Z
[18:04:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes, that profile looks correct
[18:04:48] <cradek> right
[18:05:02] <Jymmm> * Jymmm read that as: <cradek> I'm a little stoned...
[18:05:08] <cradek> haha
[18:05:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> EMC for lathes is really progressing! :D
[18:05:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> haha
[18:06:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> now all you need is radius compensation for non-round tool edges, like wiper-type curtters! (jk)
[18:06:44] <cradek> I don't know what this is, and I don't want to know
[18:06:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, it's a joke
[18:07:08] <cradek> oh good
[18:08:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> there are tools that have a very-close-to-round tooltip (inside the normal roundness tolerance) that have a much larger radius when machining along X or Z, giving higher feedrates or surface finish than normal cutters
[18:08:48] <cradek> so the end "radius" isn't round?
[18:08:52] <jmkasunich> so the radius varies depending on the cutting angle?
[18:08:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jmkasunich: exactly
[18:09:08] <cradek> those will not be supported!
[18:09:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> however the deformation is so small you ignore it WRT compensation
[18:09:37] <cradek> ok then they are supported
[18:09:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it's inside the tolerance for roundness
[18:09:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> compared to normal cutters
[18:10:16] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07lathe_offsets * 10emc2/configs/nist-lathe/nist-lathe.tbl: tool origin/shape compensation
[18:10:17] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07lathe_offsets * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc: tool origin/shape compensation
[18:10:18] <Jymmm> * Jymmm lol @ cradek... support is based upon the amount of tequilia and asprin cradek has in stock.
[18:11:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, how do I set up my config to load two parports? it didn't like "parport1, parport 2"
[18:11:37] <SWPadnos> loadrt hal_parport cfg="addr1,addr2" (I think)
[18:12:43] <alex_joni> it's in the manual ;)
[18:12:53] <alex_joni> EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
[18:13:06] <cradek> I think that has changed a bunch of times
[18:13:15] <jmkasunich> yeah, I think so too
[18:13:29] <jmkasunich> enough that I feel the need to check the source before I comment ;-/
[18:15:03] <jmkasunich> cfg="addr1 [dir1] addr2 [dir2]" etc, no commas, use spaces or underscores
[18:15:24] <jmkasunich> dir is "in" or "out", the default is out
[18:15:32] <jmkasunich> that sets the direction of the 8 data pins
[18:15:44] <jmkasunich> with "out" you get 12 outputs and 5 inputs
[18:15:59] <jmkasunich> with "in" you get 4 outputs and 13 inputs
[18:19:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> right, ok. thanks
[18:19:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> that was in the manual?
[18:19:45] <Jymmm> so you can't make one paraport ALL input?
[18:20:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> Jymmm: hardware limitations AFAIK
[18:20:07] <alex_joni> Jymmm: not all 17 pins
[18:20:36] <alex_joni> there are 4 fixed outputs, 5 fixed inputs
[18:20:39] <jmkasunich> right
[18:20:45] <alex_joni> and the 8 data pins, which usually can be swapped
[18:20:50] <jmkasunich> only the 8 bits fo the "data" port can be swapped
[18:20:54] <alex_joni> although that's only for bidirectional ports
[18:20:55] <Jymmm> ah
[18:21:08] <alex_joni> older ports can't do that
[18:21:09] <jmkasunich> right, although anything newer than about 1995 is bidirectional
[18:21:30] <Jymmm> jmkasunich for all 17 you mean?
[18:21:32] <jmkasunich> in some cases, the bios can be set disable bidirectional mode....
[18:21:40] <jmkasunich> no, NEVER can all 17 be swapped
[18:21:48] <Jymmm> ok
[18:21:52] <jmkasunich> older ones you can't swap anything
[18:22:06] <Jymmm> gotcha
[18:22:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jmkasunich: and the order in which they are named defines what is parport.0 and parport.1?
[18:22:35] <jmkasunich> Lerneaen_Hydra: YES
[18:22:39] <jmkasunich> yes
[18:22:44] <jmkasunich> (sorry for the shout)
[18:22:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> haha
[18:23:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> np
[18:23:08] <Jymmm> Heh, at least eh order isn't based upon BASE ADDR, like PCI is =)
[18:24:00] <Jymmm> err I said that worng, nm
[18:24:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so "0x378 out <port2> in" is valid?
[18:24:11] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: The config string consists of a hex port address, followed by an optional direction, repeated for each
[18:24:14] <alex_joni> port. The direction is either .in. or .out. and determines the direction of the physical pins 2 through
[18:24:17] <alex_joni> 9. If the direction is not specified, the data group defaults to output. For example:
[18:24:20] <alex_joni> emc2# bin/hal_parport 278 378 in 20A0 out
[18:24:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> right
[18:24:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> got it
[18:24:42] <alex_joni> page 48 in the EMC2_User_Manual
[18:24:50] <jmkasunich> alex is quoting from the fine manual
[18:25:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ah, excelent
[18:25:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> that seems to be more and more like required reading
[18:25:39] <Jymmm> alex_joni whats's 20a0 ?
[18:26:05] <jmkasunich> the hex number that follows 209f?
[18:26:10] <alex_joni> some odd address?
[18:26:11] <Jymmm> lol
[18:26:19] <Jymmm> Yeah, but what is it
[18:26:28] <alex_joni> parport hex address
[18:26:33] <alex_joni> what is 378 ?
[18:26:38] <Jymmm> that's a base addr
[18:26:39] <alex_joni> a more common one..
[18:26:46] <alex_joni> same for 20A0
[18:26:57] <Jymmm> a fscked up on
[18:26:59] <Jymmm> one =)
[18:27:05] <alex_joni> not really
[18:27:18] <alex_joni> if you have one of those PCI parports, then this probably is what you'll want
[18:29:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> my pci parport i cff0
[18:30:04] <Jymmm> This is what I'm used to...
[18:30:06] <Jymmm> 0040:0000 F8 03 F8 02 E8 03 E8 02-BC 03 78 03 78 02 C0 9F
[18:30:47] <alex_joni> Jymmm: wot's that?
[18:31:15] <SWPadnos> that's the DOS map of serial land parallel port addresses
[18:31:20] <SWPadnos> serial and ...
[18:31:27] <Jymmm> serial ports base addresses - paraport base addresses
[18:31:42] <alex_joni> lol
[18:34:48] <jmkasunich> dunno what reminded me of this, but its amusing: http://www.metalworking.com/DropBox/_2003_retired_files/TruckSide.jpg
[18:35:19] <alex_joni> LOL
[18:35:20] <jmkasunich> (that happened where I work)
[18:35:46] <Jymmm> loaded it woth a forklift and when the forlift backed out it tipped?
[18:36:02] <jmkasunich> no, tried to load it (with an electric pallet jack)
[18:36:08] <jmkasunich> the jack was too heavy
[18:36:22] <jmkasunich> http://www.metalworking.com/DropBox/_2003_retired_files/TruckBack.jpg
[18:36:40] <jmkasunich> when the jack weight went off the dock and onto the truck, wheelie time
[18:37:07] <Jymmm> lol, too funny... wth is with the ramps?
[18:37:21] <jmkasunich> fortunately nobody was hurt - the jack is a walk behind, and the operator wound up standing on the dock with a dumb look on his face
[18:37:41] <alex_joni> bet he did
[18:37:43] <jmkasunich> thats to let the little euro-truck match up with a full size truck dock
[18:38:04] <Jymmm> lol, oh man... looks cheesey to me =)
[18:38:12] <jmkasunich> note how far forward the rear axle of that little truck is
[18:38:24] <jmkasunich> its probably only rated to haul a ton or so
[18:38:29] <Jymmm> that should have been the warning sign that somethings wrong =)
[18:38:47] <cradek> wow he was lucky to not be hurt
[18:38:56] <jmkasunich> they should have just used a manual pallet jack
[18:39:02] <SWPadnos> they should have had a couple of fat guys sit in the cab ;)
[18:39:10] <jmkasunich> I'm sure the actual pallet wasn't over a couple hundred pounds
[18:39:40] <cradek> I'm trying to picture how you can recover from this situation
[18:39:54] <jmkasunich> I didn't get to see the recovery process, they got pissed at everybody standing around gawking and yelled "go back to work"
[18:39:56] <SWPadnos> get a couple of sumo wrestlers to sit in the cab - problem solved
[18:40:09] <cradek> SWPadnos: how??
[18:40:09] <SWPadnos> if you have a suitable ladder
[18:40:15] <jmkasunich> SWPadnos: nope, the pallet jack slid back _under_ the dock overhang
[18:40:32] <SWPadnos> well, that can be a problem - the truck is rear wheel drive though, right? ;)
[18:40:41] <cradek> hahaha
[18:40:55] <cradek> vrooooooooommmmSMASH
[18:41:00] <SWPadnos> yep ;)
[18:41:01] <cradek> boing boing boing
[18:41:03] <alex_joni> boing
[18:41:11] <jmkasunich> I think the recovery involved a tow-truck and a come-along
[18:41:12] <alex_joni> cradek: you were faster again :D
[18:41:21] <jmkasunich> tow truck to support the front of the other truck
[18:41:52] <SWPadnos> yep - a tow truck can ease the small truck out, but I'd imagine that the tailgate and the item on the jack (not to mention the jack itself) didn't escape unscathed
[18:41:53] <jmkasunich> come-along to haul the pallet jack forward enough to be out from under the dock edge, and to make the truck want to sit on four wheels again
[18:41:58] <jmkasunich> then lower with the towtruck
[18:42:28] <Jymmm> If that was my truck, screw your pallet jack!
[18:42:41] <Jymmm> rotf
[18:43:12] <jmkasunich> well, considering that it was the truck driver who was driving _our_ pallet jack, _without_ permission, I think it was more "screw your truck" ;-)
[18:44:02] <Jymmm> I still say *I* would NOT drive up those ramps
[18:44:17] <jmkasunich> they use them all the time
[18:44:21] <cradek> the ramps look like they're holding just fine
[18:44:40] <jmkasunich> they're quite beefy
[18:44:47] <Jymmm> it's not the holding part, it's changing the center of gravity
[18:45:33] <jmkasunich> I honestly think the ramps were meant to be used with longer trucks
[18:45:42] <jmkasunich> that thing is almost a toy compared to real trucks
[18:46:18] <jmkasunich> big box, but if you filled it with anything but marshmallows it would be overloaded
[18:46:25] <Jymmm> lol
[18:46:44] <Jymmm> have you ever put marshmellows in the microwave?
[18:47:07] <Jymmm> You get the Stay Puff Marchmellow Man!
[18:47:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> um, I seem to be having some trouble
[18:47:12] <Jymmm> marshmellow
[18:47:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I have a boc with jogwheels and buttons. I've checked the functionality with an osciliscope and a multimeter
[18:48:20] <jmkasunich> somewhere is a picture taken from directly in front of the truck, with a guy standing under the front axle pretending he lifted the front up
[18:48:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it works fine and all. switches are pullup, encoders give out good ttl signals
[18:48:31] <Jymmm> lol
[18:48:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> halmeter though gives FALSE for all input pins that I've got stuff attached to
[18:49:09] <jmkasunich> you sure you have the port address right?
[18:49:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I'm using the integrated
[18:49:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I wrote 378 as adress
[18:49:40] <jmkasunich> and its worked before (for normal step/dir maybe) with that address?
[18:49:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> "loadrt hal_parport cfg="cff0 out 378 in""
[18:49:54] <cradek> is the right format 378 0x378?
[18:49:58] <cradek> ^ or
[18:50:00] <jmkasunich> I dunno
[18:50:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> It's worked with that port, I don't recall if I had 378 or 0x378
[18:50:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> in the manual they had 378
[18:50:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> default is 0x378
[18:50:18] <jmkasunich> do a dmesg, you should see a note about "exported 2 parports" or something
[18:50:28] <jmkasunich> or an error message if the format is screwy
[18:50:31] <cradek> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x0378"
[18:50:35] <cradek> from "max"
[18:50:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> from max?
[18:50:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, a config
[18:50:57] <jmkasunich> config called max
[18:50:57] <cradek> my config
[18:50:58] <SWPadnos> last time I looked at the code, it discarded the leading 0x
[18:51:03] <cradek> ok
[18:51:04] <SWPadnos> so either would work
[18:51:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> Hmm.. I'
[18:51:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ll test with the other port
[18:51:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I know that one works now
[18:52:20] <SWPadnos> one sec - you had this thing working on 378 before, right?
[18:52:55] <jmkasunich> can you pastebin your hal files?
[18:53:05] <jmkasunich> actually, first...
[18:53:15] <jmkasunich> pastebin or paste here, the output of halcmd show funct
[18:54:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> testing
[18:54:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> is this visible=
[18:54:17] <SWPadnos> the order of that losdrt line should have the PCI port as parport.0, so things should just work if the external stuff is moved to the other port
[18:54:22] <SWPadnos> loadrt
[18:54:44] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10documents/scratch.txt: test
[18:55:07] <Jymmm> When milling something, how much waste is typical? (excluding the recycling factor)
[18:55:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it seems to work with my PCI parport
[18:55:26] <jmkasunich> Lerneaen_Hydra: please post the halcmd show funct
[18:55:39] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: not enough info
[18:55:47] <jmkasunich> sometimes I mill a few thou off of something
[18:56:16] <cradek> sometimes I ruin the whole thing, so up to 100%
[18:56:22] <jmkasunich> otoh, I've heard of aerospace parts where they load a 2000lb slab into the machine and when its done two men pick up the finished part and carry it away
[18:56:40] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: yeah, like that.
[18:57:09] <Jymmm> Is that something you dont consider at all? Just pass the cost along rather than worry about it?
[18:57:22] <jmkasunich> its all part of design engineering
[18:57:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/71424
[18:57:43] <jmkasunich> the aerospace guys care about the weight thats gonna fly, so they machine away everything they can
[18:57:55] <jmkasunich> raw material cost is irrelevant in comparison
[18:58:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> users 0 seems rather disconcerting
[18:58:03] <jmkasunich> other parts have other priorities
[18:58:20] <jmkasunich> exactly
[18:58:25] <jmkasunich> thats what I wanted to check
[18:58:31] <jmkasunich> you are only running the code that reads one port
[18:58:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh. ok.
[18:58:41] <jmkasunich> somewhere in your hal files there are addf lines
[18:58:45] <jmkasunich> that add the functions to a thread
[18:59:05] <jmkasunich> either change from addf parport.0.read to addf parport.read-all, or add new lines for port 1
[18:59:27] <Jymmm> so other than cradek's 100%, it's really not a factor? I'm not talking using a telephone pole to make a toothpick or anythign like that.
[18:59:34] <jmkasunich> halcmd show threads will also show you a differnet view of what is going on (a list of the functions you are running)
[18:59:56] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: it all depends
[19:00:40] <jmkasunich> machining time costs money, raw materials cost money
[19:00:58] <jmkasunich> if you can make the part you need with less raw materials and less machine time, you win
[19:02:40] <jmkasunich> thats why people cast and forge things - nearer the final shape, less machining to do
[19:02:51] <alex_joni> or weld :D
[19:02:59] <jmkasunich> yeah
[19:03:02] <alex_joni> from smaller/simpler parts
[19:03:08] <Jymmm> That I understand, but is there a point where you say screw the waste becasue you can machine the parts faster if it's not a factor?
[19:03:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> unless I'm machining gold/platinum/silver or something like that I don't really care about the cost. then again, I only make <10 parts of each bit
[19:04:10] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: if waste = chips, then probably more waste = more machining time
[19:04:16] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: I'm probably too lazy to look it up, but is it any faster to add the parport.0.read/write functions then the read-all/write-all ones?
[19:04:31] <jmkasunich> probably about the same
[19:04:42] <jmkasunich> the -all ones just loop and call the individual ones
[19:04:53] <alex_joni> ok, so if there's only one it shouldn't matter?
[19:04:59] <jmkasunich> no hal function overhead, but hal function overhead is pretty small
[19:05:19] <jmkasunich> if there's only one, -all will be a tiny bit slower because of loop overhead
[19:05:44] <alex_joni> ok..
[19:10:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I get an error after adding my parport.1
[19:10:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> HAL: ERROR: function 'parport.1.read' is not reentrant
[19:10:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> should I have the same base thread for both ports?
[19:10:58] <jmkasunich> that means you tried to add it twice
[19:11:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[19:11:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> silly me
[19:11:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> that should be a -1
[19:11:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> and write
[19:12:07] <jmkasunich> tried to add read twice instead of read and write ?
[19:13:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes
[19:13:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> now it works
[19:13:21] <jmkasunich> I've done that more times than I'm willing to admit
[19:13:31] <jmkasunich> (thats why I recognized the error message so quick)
[19:13:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> haha
[19:14:00] <alex_joni> and I probably should admit I tried to make it work without adding the functions to a thread
[19:14:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok ;)
[19:14:13] <alex_joni> and I looked and looked, and decided the port is busted
[19:14:23] <alex_joni> ;-)
[19:17:07] <jmkasunich> I need to quit procrastinating - I have milling to do
[19:17:15] <jmkasunich> after I put oil in the mill
[19:17:25] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/nist-lathe/nist-lathe.tbl:
[19:17:25] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:17:25] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:17:26] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/nc_files/lathecomp.ngc:
[19:17:26] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:17:26] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:17:30] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/ (canon.hh emc.cc emcops.cc):
[19:17:32] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:17:34] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:17:36] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/canterp/canterp.cc:
[19:17:38] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:17:40] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:17:42] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/iotask/ioControl.cc:
[19:17:44] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:17:46] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:17:48] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/ (7 files):
[19:17:50] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:17:52] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:17:56] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/task/ (emccanon.cc emctaskmain.cc):
[19:17:58] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:17:58] <jmkasunich> dang!
[19:18:00] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:18:02] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/ (iosh.cc keystick.cc):
[19:18:03] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: More of a unusable remaining shell than chips (in response to <jmkasunich> Jymmm: if waste = chips, then probably more waste = more machining time)
[19:18:04] <CIA-8> lathe tool shape, orientation, offset, and radius compensation as described in
[19:18:06] <CIA-8> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Advanced_Features
[19:18:08] <alex_joni> FLLOOOOOOOD
[19:18:09] <alex_joni> :D
[19:18:16] <Jymmm> can I mute cia?
[19:18:18] <cradek> * cradek rolls up his pants
[19:18:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> woo!
[19:18:20] <alex_joni> no
[19:18:20] <Jymmm> temporarily?
[19:18:24] <alex_joni> Jymmm: no
[19:18:37] <jmkasunich> seems like the flood is over
[19:19:10] <robin_sz> where is that les_w?
[19:19:30] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: More of a unusable remaining shell than chips (in response to <jmkasunich> Jymmm: if waste = chips, then probably more waste = more machining time)
[19:19:39] <jmkasunich> yeah
[19:19:49] <jmkasunich> (saw it the first time, even in the flood)
[19:19:53] <robin_sz> anyone know much about designing reflectors for lamps?
[19:20:01] <Jymmm> jmkasunich couldn't tell.
[19:20:04] <jmkasunich> black isn't a good color
[19:20:07] <alex_joni> robin_sz: paper ones count?
[19:20:30] <robin_sz> like, how would you make a paralell beam from a 150mm long bulb
[19:20:48] <robin_sz> some sort of modified parabola?
[19:20:54] <jmkasunich> cylindrical bulb to rectangular beam?
[19:21:09] <robin_sz> linear bulb
[19:21:15] <robin_sz> 150mm long
[19:21:18] <robin_sz> 9mm dia
[19:21:26] <jmkasunich> ok, cylindrical
[19:21:36] <robin_sz> to make a searchlight like beam
[19:21:49] <jmkasunich> not gonna work very well
[19:21:56] <robin_sz> sigh
[19:22:04] <jmkasunich> for a searchlight you want as close to a point source as you can get
[19:22:09] <jmkasunich> your bulb is more of a line source
[19:22:16] <Jymmm> flood or spot beam ?
[19:22:32] <robin_sz> hmm
[19:22:35] <jmkasunich> how big of a reflector can you use?
[19:22:45] <robin_sz> as big as I need I guess
[19:22:47] <jmkasunich> if its large wrt 150mm then it could work
[19:22:55] <robin_sz> right
[19:23:15] <jmkasunich> assume a parabola - there is a single focal point on axis that gives a parallel beam
[19:23:23] <robin_sz> right
[19:23:34] <jmkasunich> move closer or farther away and the beam diverges (or convergers, then diverges)
[19:23:54] <jmkasunich> as the reflector gets bigger, the divergence from moving 75mm one way or the other is less
[19:23:59] <robin_sz> right
[19:24:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> any idea as to how much current a parport input sinks?
[19:24:18] <jmkasunich> depends on the board
[19:24:22] <robin_sz> 20ma typically
[19:24:26] <robin_sz> TTL
[19:24:32] <jmkasunich> but could be less
[19:24:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> eugh.
[19:24:40] <jmkasunich> to play it safe, assume 10mA or less
[19:24:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> awful!
[19:24:48] <jmkasunich> what are you trying to do with it?
[19:24:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, I meant input
[19:24:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> not output
[19:25:03] <jmkasunich> depends on the pullup
[19:25:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> outputs I'm only taking 1mA from
[19:25:16] <jmkasunich> there may or may not even _be_ an internal pullup
[19:25:29] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: short question
[19:25:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> currently I've got a 3.3kO pullup
[19:25:40] <jmkasunich> so about 1.5mA then
[19:25:42] <alex_joni> I have an transister connected to the parport which commands a relay
[19:25:42] <jmkasunich> alex: shoot
[19:25:56] <alex_joni> it all works great, unless I switch off the PC
[19:25:58] <robin_sz> jmkasunich, I happen to have a 150mm krypton discharge lamp, we managed to light it first time off the laser PSU we built, so we thought we'd make a fun toy with it
[19:26:10] <alex_joni> then the relay goes on by itself
[19:26:22] <robin_sz> jmkasunich, obviously it has to be water cooled in a flow tube, but thats not so hard
[19:26:24] <jmkasunich> alex: pnp, npn? how connected
[19:26:45] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: honestly? it's been 2 weeks :D
[19:26:47] <jmkasunich> how big a reflector can you make easily then?
[19:26:53] <robin_sz> jmkasunich, and you would not believe how bright and white a krytpon is ...
[19:27:11] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: I think Vcc -> relay -> trans -> Gnd
[19:27:33] <alex_joni> and then parport -> res. -> transistor base
[19:28:10] <jmkasunich> Vcc - relay - trans collector, trans emitter - ground, parport - res - trans base
[19:28:20] <robin_sz> jmkasunich, not sure, not thought that much .. in 2D a parabola is ieasy, just a carefully formed sheet
[19:28:24] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: yeah, NPN
[19:28:26] <jmkasunich> with a freewheel diode from trans collector to vcc
[19:28:48] <jmkasunich> should work then
[19:28:53] <robin_sz> jmkasunich, this lamp is 8KW krypton, so its pretty impressive
[19:29:01] <alex_joni> ok, so I only need to add the freewheel diode?
[19:29:10] <jmkasunich> I assume Vcc is some external supply (otherwise the relay would go off when the PC goes off)
[19:29:28] <jmkasunich> alex: the diode doesn't explain your symptoms
[19:29:28] <alex_joni> right
[19:29:37] <jmkasunich> its just to protect the transistor from inductive kick
[19:29:42] <alex_joni> Vcc is some 12ish volts
[19:29:53] <jmkasunich> are the two grounds (PC and vcc) connected?
[19:30:05] <alex_joni> yeah
[19:30:21] <jepler> add a pull-down from the transistor base to gnd?
[19:30:23] <alex_joni> I was thinking of adding a simple buffer
[19:30:26] <alex_joni> or that
[19:30:27] <jmkasunich> robin_sz: how about 2D: two shiny sheets 150mm apart, with a 150mm wide strip making a parabols
[19:30:38] <jmkasunich> lamp is 90 degrees to the beam
[19:30:46] <alex_joni> jepler: but that will drain more current from the parport when switched high
[19:30:55] <alex_joni> so maybe something like 27k ?
[19:30:59] <jmkasunich> not much
[19:31:13] <jmkasunich> this is a transitor, not a fet, right?
[19:31:16] <alex_joni> right
[19:31:21] <jmkasunich> so the base voltage when on is only 0.6V
[19:31:42] <jmkasunich> add 10K from base to ground, you need 60uA more current
[19:31:53] <alex_joni> ok, 60uA seems safe :D
[19:32:23] <jmkasunich> robin_sz: you ever seen a solar hot-dog cooker?
[19:32:28] <jmkasunich> make that in reverse ;-)
[19:32:39] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: lol, is there such a thing? (solar hot-dog cooker)
[19:32:43] <jmkasunich> yes
[19:33:09] <jmkasunich> http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/projects/solardogs.html
[19:33:20] <alex_joni> heh
[19:33:26] <alex_joni> crazy world :D
[19:34:20] <jmkasunich> I've seen a big one somebody made for fun, it was more of a solar hot-dog burner
[19:34:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> uh, how much of a pullup do I need?
[19:35:23] <jmkasunich> what is the signal source? an encoder? or a switch? or?
[19:35:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I get +5 and gnd when I measure the pins with a voltmeter, but when connecting to the parport I get false constantly
[19:35:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> an encoder
[19:35:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> currently with 3.3kohm pullup (what they recomended for ttl)
[19:36:14] <jmkasunich> not clear... you put the meter between the signal pin and ground, and as you turn the encoder slowly the meter goes from +5 to 0 and back?
[19:36:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes
[19:36:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it looks like it should when connected to the voltmeter
[19:36:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yet it doesn't work when connected to the parport
[19:37:02] <jmkasunich> you don't actually get 5.000 and 0.000, right?
[19:37:28] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: did you connect to an input pin?
[19:38:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes, I'm measuring to pin 3
[19:38:21] <alex_joni> pin3 is output usually.. if you didn't set the parport as 'in'
[19:38:31] <jmkasunich> I'm assuming he did
[19:38:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I get 5.00 and 0.18
[19:38:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I did
[19:38:45] <jmkasunich> ok, so the signal is definitely at the pin
[19:38:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> my switches on 11 and 12 work
[19:39:05] <alex_joni> oh.. so the parport probably works
[19:39:09] <jmkasunich> ok, 11 and 12 are "normal" inputs
[19:39:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[19:39:27] <alex_joni> halcmd show pin parport
[19:39:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> halmeter has pin 3 listed as in
[19:39:46] <jmkasunich> I wonder if the port is either old (can only do output on pins 2-9) or configured as a standard parport in the bios (and thus output only on 2-9)
[19:39:46] <alex_joni> ok, sure it's the right port? you had 2 I think..
[19:40:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes, I'm looking at parport.1.pin-03-in
[19:40:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> and parport.1.pin-11-in works
[19:40:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so it's the correct port
[19:40:30] <jmkasunich> if its on the mobo, the bio setting needs to be bidir, or EPP, or ECP, _not_ SPP
[19:40:31] <alex_joni> ok, so check what jmk said ;)
[19:40:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh!
[19:40:39] <jmkasunich> s/bio/bios
[19:40:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what should it be
[19:40:48] <alex_joni> s/bios/BIOS/
[19:40:53] <jmkasunich> ;-P
[19:40:54] <alex_joni> bidir, EPP or ECP
[19:40:59] <alex_joni> NOT SPP
[19:41:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what's s/bios/BIOS ?
[19:41:08] <jmkasunich> there's an echo in here!
[19:41:23] <jmkasunich> s/foo/bar means substitute bar for foo
[19:41:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, ok
[19:41:36] <jmkasunich> used when somebody makes a typo and wants to correct themselves
[19:41:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ah, ok
[19:42:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> any difference between EPP or ECP?
[19:42:05] <alex_joni> assuming you know sed or whatever script uses s/foo/bar/
[19:42:21] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: lots of difference, not that you need to worry though
[19:42:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: mmkay. brb
[19:42:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> reboot
[19:42:43] <jmkasunich> SPP, bidir, EPP, and ECP are all parport modes, from oldest to newest
[19:43:33] <jmkasunich> robin_sz: you got quiet... are you polishing sheet metal?
[19:48:50] <jmkasunich> robin_sz: http://www.hoodville.org:8080/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2649&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=53a49c114a3b99b9a07b827779672767
[19:48:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it was set to ECP. I've set it to bi-directional now
[19:49:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> and now it works! :D
[19:49:34] <jmkasunich> yay!
[19:49:35] <alex_joni> coo
[19:49:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> any idea as to why?
[19:49:48] <jmkasunich> I didn't know ECP was incompatible with bidir
[19:49:48] <alex_joni> ECP might be funny :)
[19:49:54] <jmkasunich> learn something new every day
[19:50:04] <jmkasunich> ECP is for strange stuff like parport connected zip drives, etc
[19:50:14] <jmkasunich> obsolete now since everybody uses USB
[19:50:18] <alex_joni> ECP and EPP are basicly some hardware assited flowcontrol protocols
[19:50:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh. ok
[19:50:26] <alex_joni> for high speed transfers
[19:50:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, ok
[19:50:39] <alex_joni> and you usually set them up at BASE address and BASE+0x400
[19:50:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so direct IO shouldn't be affected
[19:50:50] <alex_joni> it shouldn't..
[19:50:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> but in this case it was
[19:51:13] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: should has really very little meaning around PC's
[19:51:20] <jmkasunich> soler marshmellow roaster toaster: http://www.hoodville.org:8080/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2657&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=af35771bac391b72bb16d1ac70651320
[19:51:27] <jmkasunich> check out the welding googles
[19:51:35] <jmkasunich> s/soler/solar
[19:51:40] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: ouch ;)
[19:51:47] <alex_joni> I have goggles like those
[19:51:57] <alex_joni> lol @ googles
[19:51:59] <jmkasunich> the reflector is about 2meters (or more)
[19:52:40] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: seems google is affecting all our lives
[19:52:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh my
[19:52:53] <alex_joni> if it would only tell me wtf my car keys are :((
[19:53:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> poor alex_joni... :(
[19:53:19] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: usually it wouldn't be a problem, I have a spare
[19:53:34] <jmkasunich> more like 3.5 meters judging from this pic http://www.hoodville.org:8080/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2660&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=461e9f8df0eb9f7879865d9fbf7cd545
[19:53:37] <alex_joni> but the license is there too, and a colegue should have gone to germany in 2 days
[19:53:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> can't you use a passport as ID?
[19:53:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> in sweden you can
[19:54:04] <alex_joni> for yourself you can
[19:54:06] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: the whole idea of running the spundle with hydraulics
[19:54:07] <alex_joni> but not for the car
[19:54:29] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: and it's still in leasing, so it belongs to the leasing company officialy, and has some temporary numbers on it
[19:54:35] <alex_joni> so they WILL check the license
[19:54:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, in sweden you can use the passport as ID for the whole car, without getting fined
[19:55:04] <jmkasunich> 15:22 jmkasunich: I need to quit procrastinating - I have milling to do
[19:55:07] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: yeah, I know.. but you have regular printed car licenses.. so I guess .. :)
[19:55:15] <jmkasunich> 16:00 jmkasunich: still on IRC
[19:55:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> but you have?
[19:55:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jmkasunich: haha
[19:55:35] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich goes
[19:55:39] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: soem with all kinds of security features on them, issued by some authority
[19:55:42] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: later
[19:55:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> uh, would stealing the code from maxnc be all that I have to do to get jogwheels?
[19:55:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: eugh. rfid too?
[19:56:08] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: only from 2007
[19:56:23] <anonimasu> why not implement a real jogwheel that you can release
[19:56:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yucky
[19:56:25] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: re max, not much else to do
[19:56:34] <alex_joni> anonimasu: there is support in emc2
[19:56:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> anonimasu: huh?
[19:56:42] <alex_joni> anonimasu: just need to hook up the hal stuff
[19:56:44] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yea I know
[19:57:12] <anonimasu> but why us Lerneaen_Hydra2 contemplating copying it from maxnc?
[19:57:37] <alex_joni> because not every config has a jogwheel in it by default
[19:57:43] <alex_joni> and he wants to add it to his config
[19:57:59] <alex_joni> anonimasu: only the HAL signals & links
[19:58:02] <anonimasu> ah
[19:58:07] <anonimasu> I thought it were a commercial controller..
[19:58:21] <alex_joni> no, max is a config cradek made for his max-nc mill
[19:58:28] <anonimasu> ah ^_^
[19:58:42] <anonimasu> heh pardon my stupidity
[19:58:47] <alex_joni> np
[19:58:52] <alex_joni> you're excused :D
[19:58:56] <etla> what do I do to get around "You need to be identified to join that channel" on freenode ?
[19:59:03] <alex_joni> identify
[19:59:13] <alex_joni> try /msg NickServ IDENTIFY user pass
[19:59:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: I can't seem to find any code for jogwheels in max
[19:59:25] <alex_joni> encoder
[19:59:46] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: 1st step make sure the encoder works
[19:59:56] <etla> alex: nickname not registered...
[20:00:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: I get input like I should from halmeter
[20:02:40] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: http://pastebin.ca/71460
[20:03:04] <alex_joni> etla: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[20:06:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: what defines which axis is controlled for each jogwheel?
[20:06:31] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: you only use one usually.. don't you?
[20:06:40] <etla> L_H: there are jogwheel, increment, and enable inputs for each axis
[20:06:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes, but I have one for X and one for Z
[20:06:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I also have for rpm and feed
[20:06:55] <alex_joni> ok.. so connect 2
[20:06:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> but that will come later
[20:07:02] <alex_joni> one to X and one to Z
[20:07:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so num_chan=2?
[20:07:52] <alex_joni> right
[20:07:59] <alex_joni> and duplicating the rest
[20:08:03] <anonimasu> hm, the ones I've seen have a selector switch
[20:08:08] <anonimasu> for xyz and the jogwheel
[20:08:45] <etla> anon: yes, wire a "1" to only one of the enable inputs based on the position of the selector switch
[20:09:06] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: same goes to you :
[20:09:07] <alex_joni> :D
[20:09:26] <alex_joni> but if you have a fixed jogwheel for X and one for Z your enables will never get 0
[20:09:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I don't have a switch
[20:09:41] <alex_joni> then something like this:
[20:09:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> they should always be on
[20:09:57] <alex_joni> newsig bit high
[20:10:11] <alex_joni> linksp high axis.0.enable
[20:10:13] <alex_joni> sets high 1
[20:10:43] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/max-jogwheel.tar.gz
[20:10:51] <cradek> here is my jogwheel/axis config for max
[20:10:53] <cradek> it's not in cvs
[20:10:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh!
[20:10:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:11:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> should I steal that one then?
[20:13:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> line 211 to 232?
[20:14:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> that code seems to be more for 1 jogwheel for all axes rather than dedicated wheels
[20:14:27] <alex_joni> indeed
[20:14:34] <alex_joni> but you get an idea how it works
[20:14:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hmm, roughly
[20:15:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I'm not sure what to keep and what to remove/edit
[20:15:22] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: usually it works by running emc2, then opening another terminal and starting to add stuff
[20:15:33] <alex_joni> at the end you can issue: halcmd save > file.hal
[20:15:36] <alex_joni> and have all in there
[20:15:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:15:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> Hmm. this doesn't sound like something done in five minutes
[20:16:02] <alex_joni> so you can add the encoder module, then define the signals, connect them etc.
[20:16:10] <alex_joni> about 10 should be max :)
[20:16:26] <alex_joni> but it depends how acustomed you are with HAL
[20:16:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I'm not really sure where to start and how to do it
[20:16:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I can read the code but not write my own
[20:16:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> basically
[20:16:57] <alex_joni> ok, start with one jogwheel first
[20:18:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it didn't like "newsig bit enc.X.A"
[20:19:06] <etla> that's a pin, not a signal
[20:19:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, signals don't like . in them?
[20:19:35] <etla> probably not
[20:19:44] <etla> do you have emc running ?
[20:21:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it doesn't start with my .hal
[20:21:20] <etla> what ?
[20:21:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it didn't like _ either
[20:21:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I made a hal with some commands for the jogwheel
[20:21:43] <etla> so you have done a scripts/realtime start
[20:21:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> or rather, the commands that alex_joni had in the pastebin
[20:21:54] <etla> then bin/halcmd -f yourfile.hal
[20:21:59] <etla> then bin/halcmd start
[20:22:02] <jepler> newsig yena bit
[20:22:05] <jepler> the type goes after the name
[20:22:09] <etla> then you should be able to see stuff with halmeter
[20:22:13] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: something to get you going:
[20:22:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, ok
[20:22:14] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/71470
[20:24:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> HAL:13: Unknown signal type 'encA1'
[20:24:19] <alex_joni> change the order
[20:24:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> would that be what etla was talking about
[20:24:24] <alex_joni> newsig encA1 bit
[20:24:27] <etla> halcmd newsig encA1 bit
[20:24:41] <alex_joni> I wrote newsig bit encA1 (wrong)
[20:25:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> "HAL:45: Unknown signal type 'enablejog'"
[20:25:14] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/71477
[20:25:35] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: I would expect you could fix the same error ..
[20:25:42] <alex_joni> when it appears the second time :)
[20:25:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes, I fixed the order
[20:25:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:25:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:25:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ssh!
[20:26:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ;)
[20:26:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hmm. what signal type is that?
[20:26:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> bit?
[20:26:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> and what's s32?
[20:26:34] <alex_joni> boolean
[20:26:38] <alex_joni> signed 32 bit
[20:26:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:26:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so I append boolean?
[20:26:57] <alex_joni> no, bit means boolean
[20:27:00] <alex_joni> either 0 or 1
[20:27:04] <alex_joni> or true or false
[20:27:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:27:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:27:22] <alex_joni> I thought you were asking what bit means..
[20:27:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, nono
[20:27:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> "newsig jogwheel-pos1 s32" what should that line be?
[20:28:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> do I append bit to the end?
[20:28:02] <alex_joni> that's ok
[20:28:08] <alex_joni> no, that's of type s32
[20:28:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:28:13] <alex_joni> signed int 32 bit
[20:28:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> 32-bit signed?
[20:28:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so +- a large number
[20:28:38] <alex_joni> indeed
[20:29:20] <alex_joni> +/- 2147483648
[20:29:31] <alex_joni> with a precision of 1-2
[20:29:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hmm, axis loads but I don't get jogging
[20:29:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> with the wheel
[20:29:48] <alex_joni> are you in manual mode?
[20:29:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes
[20:29:55] <alex_joni> is the machine switched on?
[20:29:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes
[20:29:59] <alex_joni> can you jog using the GUI?
[20:30:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I can jog with arrow keys
[20:30:08] <alex_joni> ok..
[20:30:17] <alex_joni> pastebin.ca 'halcmd show'
[20:30:37] <alex_joni> that will be slightly large ;)
[20:30:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> HAHA!
[20:30:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yeah, slightly
[20:31:07] <alex_joni> halcmd show > file
[20:31:21] <alex_joni> gedit file, ctrl-a (select all), ctrl-c (copy) ;)
[20:31:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> right, which command outputs text to a file?
[20:31:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it was too much for the terminal
[20:31:56] <alex_joni> I already told you that
[20:31:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> i need to do a halcmd show | <command>
[20:32:05] <alex_joni> halcmd show > file
[20:32:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:32:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> sorry, missed that line
[20:32:56] <alex_joni> np
[20:33:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/71487
[20:34:30] <alex_joni> shall I say it?
[20:34:40] <alex_joni> it 'should' work.. :D
[20:34:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> :D
[20:34:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> woo
[20:36:01] <alex_joni> oh.. found it ;)
[20:36:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> there's nothing connecting each signal to X or Z, that I can see
[20:36:04] <alex_joni> you need to add something:
[20:36:17] <alex_joni> newsig jogscale float
[20:36:17] <alex_joni> sets jogscale 0.001
[20:36:17] <alex_joni> setp encoder.0.x4-mode 0
[20:36:24] <alex_joni> linksp jogscale => axis.0.jog-scale
[20:36:30] <alex_joni> linksp jogscale => axis.2.jog-scale
[20:37:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> right.
[20:37:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> at the end?
[20:37:56] <alex_joni> anywhere ;)
[20:39:09] <alex_joni> and btw, in your pastebin (71487) lines 291-296 are the ones that connect the jogwheels to the X and Z axes
[20:41:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, ok
[20:41:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> uh, how do I set scale?
[20:41:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so one step on jogwheel is X units?
[20:41:29] <alex_joni> read a few lines ago
[20:41:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> the 0.001?
[20:41:48] <alex_joni> that's how many X units it goes for one encoder unit
[20:42:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what about #make this your counts/unit
[20:42:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> setp encoder.0.position-scale 10
[20:42:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what does that do then?
[20:43:10] <alex_joni> this converts from hardware jogwheel ticks to encoder position
[20:43:22] <alex_joni> you basicly have 2 levels of scaling
[20:43:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:43:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so I should set one of them to 1?
[20:45:08] <alex_joni> if you want..
[20:45:25] <alex_joni> it depends how your jogwheel is made/engraved
[20:45:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:45:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I have 24 steps/rev
[20:45:54] <alex_joni> ok, how far do you want to go on one rev?
[20:45:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> more than that I don't know what I can say
[20:46:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I want one step to be 0.1mm
[20:46:16] <alex_joni> you're running with mm as units?
[20:46:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes
[20:46:29] <alex_joni> ok.. then simply have encoder-scale 1
[20:46:39] <alex_joni> and jogscale 0.1
[20:47:04] <alex_joni> I think ;)
[20:48:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:48:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> seems to work
[20:48:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> however
[20:48:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> they dont behave the same
[20:49:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> one does maybe 7-9 steps/rev
[20:49:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> the other twice as many
[20:49:15] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, are you the hoster?
[20:49:24] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: another 'halcmd show' ?
[20:49:25] <alex_joni> :D
[20:49:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> this is software because switching the input pins switches the symptoms
[20:49:39] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... yeah yeah... hydraulic only.
[20:49:46] <anonimasu> what?
[20:49:54] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, msg you back, from way up.
[20:50:01] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: what input pins?
[20:50:11] <A-L-P-H-A> [16:00:30] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: the whole idea of running the spundle with hydraulics
[20:50:18] <A-L-P-H-A> 2hrs ago
[20:50:20] <anonimasu> ah is it insane ;)
[20:50:44] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, it's cool! but I know nothing about hydraulics... I would so like to learn more.
[20:51:19] <anonimasu> :9
[20:51:20] <A-L-P-H-A> if the motor is capable of handling that much volume/Minute... that's awesome.
[20:51:30] <anonimasu> huydralics are pretty simple
[20:51:37] <A-L-P-H-A> sec... washroom
[20:51:39] <anonimasu> k
[20:51:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: if I switch which parport pins go to which axis then it's always a certain axis that is erratic
[20:51:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> s/erratic/bad
[20:52:00] <alex_joni> oh, this sounds like some encoder counter is misconfigured
[20:52:04] <alex_joni> one of the scales
[20:52:09] <alex_joni> you did change both, did you?
[20:52:25] <alex_joni> oh, and another thing..
[20:52:29] <alex_joni> I told you to add:
[20:52:32] <alex_joni> setp encoder.0.x4-mode 0
[20:52:44] <alex_joni> either remove that, or add one for the other encoder aswell
[20:52:49] <alex_joni> setp encoder.1.x4-mode 0
[20:53:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/71509
[20:53:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:53:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes
[20:53:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> i changed both
[20:53:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:53:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:53:51] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, k... my Qs are like... where are you going to run the pump? Does pressure get lost over distance?
[20:53:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what does that line do?
[20:54:10] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: no as oil does not compress
[20:54:11] <alex_joni> it deactivates the x4 mode
[20:54:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> which is?
[20:54:24] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, oh. cool, so it's like water!
[20:54:29] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: basicly an encoder can be counted as 4 ticks when you move it one line
[20:54:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[20:54:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:54:39] <alex_joni> because you have 2 signals A & B which change states
[20:54:45] <alex_joni> so you can count 4 states
[20:55:06] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: Yeah that's right
[20:55:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what gives the highest resolution?
[20:55:09] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: I host cvs.linuxcnc.org
[20:55:33] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, do you have java on that machine? :)
[20:55:35] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: other then that it's pretty simple pressure in stuff moves
[20:55:39] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: resolution is the same one
[20:55:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[20:55:46] <alex_joni> you'll only get 4 times more counts
[20:56:03] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, cool... i would really like to see the whitepapers/spects/product info on the stuff you're getting/got.
[20:56:13] <anonimasu> hm, I dont have any :)
[20:56:17] <anonimasu> but I can give you the specs
[20:56:25] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: it's just an old laptop
[20:56:27] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: nothing special
[20:56:35] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: 300MHz, 128 megs ram, 4 gigs disk
[20:56:40] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, just want it to run drawboard. :) if it's up all the time.
[20:56:51] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: the motor is a 4.5 kw 1450 rpm
[20:56:54] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: better on linuxcnc.org
[20:56:55] <jepler> it's not for running anything but the CVS server
[20:57:02] <alex_joni> on www. not on cvs.
[20:57:02] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: and the pump is a 11cc pump..
[20:57:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: seems to work
[20:57:12] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: cool
[20:57:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: I'll test more tomorrow
[20:57:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> g'night all
[20:57:21] <SWPadnos> I think we can't do JSP or whatever drawboard needs on DH
[20:57:22] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, http://74.118.146.21/drawboard/
[20:57:24] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: see.. not more than 5 minutes
[20:57:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> haha
[20:57:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yeah
[20:57:42] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: is there a flash version of it?
[20:57:46] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: to get flow you take cc*rpm
[20:57:49] <A-L-P-H-A> what's DH?
[20:57:54] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, no.
[20:57:55] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: dreamhost
[20:58:23] <SWPadnos> yes - DreamHost, the provider that www.linuxcnc.org is on
[20:58:41] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos... then set me up with a shell account, and lets rock and roll!
[20:58:47] <SWPadnos> no
[20:58:50] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[20:58:51] <alex_joni> lol
[20:58:53] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:58:55] <A-L-P-H-A> damn you!
[20:59:02] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: behave
[20:59:07] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: in my case 11ccx1.45= l/min
[20:59:19] <SWPadnos> as I said, we discussed this before, and the server-side java support isn't there anyway
[20:59:21] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... is 11cc the displacment?
[20:59:23] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:59:40] <anonimasu> of the pump
[20:59:51] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, okay... most of the things I read are... sec. let me find that.
[21:00:16] <anonimasu> then it's l/min / cc of motor
[21:00:22] <anonimasu> that gives you the rpm
[21:00:51] <SWPadnos> krpm?
[21:00:53] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:01:10] <alex_joni> http://web.okaygo.co.uk/apps/scratchpad/flashcom/index.htm
[21:01:13] <alex_joni> that's flash
[21:01:35] <SWPadnos> ah-ah, saviour of the universe ....
[21:02:03] <anonimasu> hm ends up as 4550rpm
[21:02:06] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, oh hell... let me know if this link works. http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH that's insane prices!
[21:02:23] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, yeah, but you gotta pay for that.
[21:02:54] <anonimasu> no, dosent work
[21:02:55] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, and kids play on that and draw crap on them.
[21:03:18] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, mscdirect.com and go to the hyraulics -> power units
[21:04:04] <anonimasu> part number?
[21:04:48] <A-L-P-H-A> see if this works. http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRAR?PMSECT=2001597
[21:05:04] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:05:20] <anonimasu> insane prices
[21:05:29] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... those are really expensive!
[21:05:44] <anonimasu> parker does make good stuff..
[21:05:47] <anonimasu> expensive though :)
[21:06:32] <A-L-P-H-A> another part 09629007
[21:06:41] <A-L-P-H-A> seems tiny, and the rpm is tiny
[21:06:48] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: I'm taking all chances lately to learn hydraulics at work lately
[21:07:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:07:58] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: that's a large motor :)
[21:07:58] <alex_joni> night all
[21:08:05] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, later
[21:08:58] <anonimasu> 7.62cc
[21:09:04] <anonimasu> if I calced it right
[21:09:39] <A-L-P-H-A> Anonimasu, okay... when given a pump, I'm given HP/maxPSI/maxGPM
[21:10:03] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:10:19] <A-L-P-H-A> looking at what I'm given for motors
[21:10:26] <anonimasu> kw and rpm
[21:10:44] <anonimasu> or at the huydralic mottors?
[21:10:45] <A-L-P-H-A> displacement, mas pressure, max speed, max torque.
[21:10:46] <anonimasu> motors..
[21:10:53] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:11:12] <anonimasu> with a spindle you will be working with pretty high pressure, but nothing extreme
[21:11:26] <anonimasu> about 150bar..
[21:11:52] <A-L-P-H-A> if I'm given a max speed / displacement = GPM.
[21:12:15] <A-L-P-H-A> 150 bar = 2175.56607 PSI!
[21:12:25] <anonimasu> yeah..
[21:12:33] <anonimasu> not too extre
[21:12:37] <anonimasu> extreme :)
[21:14:09] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... says the motor (not hte pump) MAX 12GPM... which is 45.42L/min. That's a lot of liquid.
[21:14:28] <anonimasu> that's a large motor
[21:15:04] <A-L-P-H-A> they don't have smaller ones on princessauto the canadian one.
[21:15:22] <anonimasu> you should call some local shop that does huydralics
[21:15:29] <A-L-P-H-A> okay.
[21:15:34] <anonimasu> 1 Liter/min = .264 Gallons/min
[21:15:37] <A-L-P-H-A> so what's 11cc?
[21:15:45] <A-L-P-H-A> 11cc in CI.
[21:16:09] <anonimasu> 1 cc = .000264 Gallon
[21:16:23] <A-L-P-H-A> that's a super tiny motoc... 0.67CI.
[21:16:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Cubic Inches.
[21:16:30] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:16:36] <A-L-P-H-A> 11cc = 0.67ci.
[21:16:42] <A-L-P-H-A> how tiny is this motor physically?
[21:16:45] <anonimasu> tiny
[21:16:49] <anonimasu> it's smaller then my servos :)
[21:16:58] <anonimasu> about the size of a computer mouse
[21:17:02] <A-L-P-H-A> WOWzers... and it can handle all this pressure.
[21:17:12] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:17:18] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the model number?
[21:17:22] <anonimasu> no idea
[21:18:24] <anonimasu> :)
[21:18:53] <anonimasu> though it gets a bit bigger with the external bearing
[21:19:47] <anonimasu> im done with the spindle now, I just need to mount the motor/gear assembly to it
[21:22:34] <A-L-P-H-A> now we're talking http://www.casappa.com/eng/02products/ingr_allum/ingr_allum.htm#whisper
[21:23:15] <anonimasu> zyeah
[21:23:18] <anonimasu> very similiar
[21:37:35] <giacus`> Jymmm: is this studio universal ? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=los+angeles+hollywood&ie=UTF8&ll=34.112284,-118.338638&spn=0.003389,0.005&t=k&om=1
[21:38:07] <giacus`> looking for the hollywood mountain ..
[21:38:13] <giacus`> can't find it :/
[21:40:35] <giacus`> giacus` is now known as giacus
[21:45:08] <Jymmm> giacus: You are lookign for what? Hollywood Hills?
[21:45:16] <Jymmm> or Universal Studios?
[21:45:59] <giacus> Universal Studio
[21:46:16] <robin_sz> * robin_sz despairs
[21:46:28] <Jymmm> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=los+angeles+hollywood&ie=UTF8&ll=34.112284,-118.338638&spn=0.003389,0.005&t=k&om=1
[21:46:30] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A thins robin_sz is in disrepairs.
[21:46:32] <A-L-P-H-A> thinks
[21:46:54] <Jymmm> giacus Item C
[21:47:44] <giacus> bice
[21:47:47] <giacus> nice*
[21:47:51] <A-L-P-H-A> don't see it
[21:48:15] <giacus> and this instead: http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/slides/HollywoodSign2.JPG
[21:48:22] <giacus> I think its hard to find
[21:48:38] <giacus> looking from the top
[21:48:58] <A-L-P-H-A> is it so straight, the sat can't pick it up?
[21:49:05] <Jymmm> giacus: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=los+angeles+hollywood&ie=UTF8&ll=34.112284,-118.338638&spn=0.003389,0.005&t=k&om=1
[21:49:22] <A-L-P-H-A> silly game. http://digggames.com/games/splash.swf
[21:49:49] <giacus> Jymmm: thanks :)
[21:50:08] <Jymmm> giacus http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=los+angeles+hollywood&ie=UTF8&ll=34.112284,-118.338638&spn=0.003389,0.005&t=k&om=1
[21:50:58] <Jymmm> giacus you can see all the letters in the sign on that link
[21:51:03] <giacus> it show the same image I think
[21:51:20] <Jymmm> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=hollywood+sign&ie=UTF8&ll=34.134,-118.321643&spn=0.004551,0.007532&t=h&om=1
[21:51:38] <giacus> wow
[21:51:40] <giacus> cool
[21:51:48] <giacus> yeah, now its right
[21:52:10] <Jymmm> silly google, had to use "link here" instead of the url
[21:52:59] <giacus> yes
[21:53:13] <giacus> or email, for mail
[21:56:04] <giacus> nice. L.A. is wonderful
[21:56:17] <Jymmm> Heh, how do you like driving on the fwy UNDER the tarmac knowing that a 100,000+ lbs aircraft is about to land on top of you =) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=hotels+near+lax&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1
[21:57:34] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/ (Submakefile halcmd.c): readline support for halcmd. disabled pending configure test, or define it yourself
[21:58:05] <giacus> :-)
[22:00:59] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (2.6.12-magma) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot7_log.txt
[22:06:46] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-2.18 (2.2.18-rtl3.0) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot2_log.txt
[22:09:30] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-TNG (2.4.18-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot3_log.txt
[22:10:02] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-4.20 (2.6.10-adeos) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot5_log.txt
[22:10:56] <robin_sz> what a cute little airport
[22:12:41] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-Live rc46 (2.4.25-adeos) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot4_log.txt
[22:12:48] <jepler> sigh
[22:13:46] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/Submakefile: don't link readline on systems that don't have it
[22:13:47] <giacus> hm
[22:15:02] <anonimasu> 'yawn*
[22:15:20] <giacus> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.077897,-79.075212&spn=0.006411,0.008827&t=k&hl=en
[22:15:23] <giacus> :D
[22:17:14] <robin_sz> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=dy12+1rb&ie=UTF8&ll=52.388585,-2.304575&spn=0.001588,0.00662&t=k&om=1
[22:17:18] <robin_sz> home sweet home
[22:18:05] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07Ubuntu 5.10 (2.6.12-magma) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
[22:20:40] <giacus> robin_sz: nice, all green around
[22:21:03] <giacus> the mine is here http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=&ie=UTF8&ll=38.231944,16.254723&spn=0.024979,0.039997&t=k&om=1
[22:21:33] <giacus> this http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&ll=38.228868,16.252416&spn=0.003123,0.005
[22:21:40] <giacus> center window
[22:23:55] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. As you are aware, we experienced an episode some hours ago in which a staff password was sniffed or cracked. It would be prudent for you to change your nickserv and chanserv passwords at this point. We're continuing to investigate what happened. Thanks for your patience.
[22:23:56] <A-L-P-H-A> .it?
[22:24:17] <giacus> yes
[22:24:27] <giacus> zoom -
[22:24:58] <A-L-P-H-A> neat...
[22:24:59] <giacus> wonder how often they update the mpas
[22:25:03] <A-L-P-H-A> in the country somewhere.
[22:25:03] <giacus> maps*
[22:25:09] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, not often
[22:25:14] <giacus> years ..
[22:27:13] <robin_sz> coo
[22:27:22] <A-L-P-H-A> coo!
[22:27:26] <A-L-P-H-A> says the crow.
[22:27:28] <robin_sz> looks like soutrhr italy
[22:27:31] <giacus> egypt: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.976025,31.131477&spn=0.012822,0.017653&t=k&hl=en
[22:27:38] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-2.18 (2.2.18-rtl3.0) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
[22:28:07] <giacus> robin_sz: yeah, 100 km north-east of sicily island
[22:28:31] <robin_sz> ahh, mob country
[22:29:01] <robin_sz> you pay your "taxes" ;)
[22:29:40] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-TNG (2.4.18-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
[22:30:06] <giacus> no doubts
[22:31:58] <giacus> btw no mob here.. 18K souls
[22:32:42] <giacus> excluding dogs and cats :)
[22:33:02] <giacus> in the summer we become 180k
[22:33:22] <giacus> from june to september, after its sad..
[22:37:16] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-4.20 (2.6.10-adeos) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
[22:37:18] <giacus> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=catania+etna&ie=UTF8&ll=37.753344,15.03479&spn=0.100572,0.159988&t=k&om=1
[22:37:28] <giacus> see the magma on the Etna
[22:37:39] <giacus> the biggest Vulcan in EU
[22:38:00] <giacus> zoom out to get an idea how big it is ..
[22:43:26] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-Live rc46 (2.4.25-adeos) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
[22:43:35] <robin_sz> the biggest Vulcan?
[22:43:53] <robin_sz> bigger than Leonard Nimoy?
[22:44:14] <giacus> in europe yes
[22:44:36] <giacus> that's what I learned at school :)
[22:45:03] <giacus> at least, I remember so
[22:45:49] <robin_sz> I think leonard nimoy is bigger
[22:46:04] <giacus> where in europe ?
[22:46:19] <robin_sz> everywhere man, hes HUGE
[22:46:25] <giacus> 3350 meters
[22:46:29] <giacus> the etna
[22:46:34] <robin_sz> sigh ...
[22:46:36] <giacus> is also the more active ..
[22:46:55] <robin_sz> leonard nimoy is still quite active
[22:47:10] <robin_sz> mainly in Cannes
[22:47:31] <robin_sz> * robin_sz decides he is flogging a dead horse
[22:50:19] <giacus> I seen better I guess
[22:50:29] <giacus> is an actor ?
[22:50:52] <robin_sz> yes
[22:50:56] <robin_sz> Star Trek
[22:51:06] <robin_sz> he played Dr Spock
[22:51:12] <robin_sz> who was a Vulcan
[22:51:33] <giacus> vulcanian ?
[22:51:45] <robin_sz> no Vulcan
[22:51:46] <giacus> :D
[22:52:24] <robin_sz> in english, Mt Etna is a volcano, just so you know ;)
[22:52:56] <robin_sz> and a vulcan is something with points on their ears :)
[22:53:33] <giacus> robin_sz: iy you like to talk to me you have to be like a fox
[22:53:36] <giacus> a bit ..
[22:54:00] <giacus> otherwise we can't understand :)
[22:55:24] <giacus> Unfortunately the translators doesnt seems to work better than my bad english ..
[22:56:21] <giacus> these errors are automatics
[23:00:47] <giacus> time ago I was playng with drum
[23:00:54] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, play sudoku? :)
[23:01:09] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: really no
[23:01:35] <giacus> the difficult was to do a different time from foots and arms
[23:01:49] <giacus> you have to split your mind
[23:02:02] <giacus> the same happen learning languages
[23:02:11] <A-L-P-H-A> so you don't drive standard?
[23:02:16] <A-L-P-H-A> manual transmission?
[23:02:20] <giacus> hehe
[23:02:49] <giacus> try to make an 8 in the pavement with the foot
[23:03:04] <giacus> and a circle with tha hand
[23:03:11] <giacus> togheter ..
[23:03:24] <giacus> let me know if you can do it :)
[23:03:51] <giacus> or a circle with the foot and a 8 with the hand
[23:04:02] <giacus> you can't split your mind
[23:04:14] <giacus> until you'll do hours of exercises
[23:04:56] <giacus> this is what a drummer can do ..
[23:05:12] <giacus> 4 axis saparated
[23:05:16] <giacus> :D
[23:05:27] <giacus> separated*
[23:05:35] <A-L-P-H-A> crazy terrorists! http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/06/25/sweden.bomb.ap/index.html
[23:06:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I gotta so that the borkborkbork people in here.
[23:06:48] <anonimasu> giacus: I can do that
[23:06:57] <giacus> anonimasu: clever
[23:07:20] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, you mean make human bombers?
[23:07:33] <anonimasu> giacus: one circle with one foot an 8 with the other and a circle with my other hand..
[23:07:42] <anonimasu> ;)
[23:07:47] <giacus> hehe
[23:08:06] <anonimasu> not perfectly but, I can :)
[23:08:22] <giacus> do you use the left hand to write ?
[23:08:31] <anonimasu> -> that hand
[23:08:40] <anonimasu> dunno if it's r/l
[23:09:10] <giacus> the brain is divided mainly in 2 sectors
[23:09:14] <giacus> left/right
[23:09:21] <A-L-P-H-A> it's not supposed to be possible.
[23:09:46] <giacus> I know some writing with left hand and using the right foot to play football ..
[23:09:55] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: doing what?
[23:10:16] <A-L-P-H-A> the different hemispheres of the brain send conflicting signals, to the brain can't continue to send the motion signals.
[23:10:22] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: your'e talking with an expert
[23:10:32] <giacus> should I show you how I did it ??!
[23:10:48] <anonimasu> heh
[23:10:54] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/sf_test.avi
[23:11:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll have to site it off discoverychannel.ca
[23:11:10] <anonimasu> hm, strange..
[23:11:15] <anonimasu> I wonder how I can play guitar..
[23:11:16] <anonimasu> really
[23:11:30] <giacus> anonimasu: I play it
[23:11:36] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe.
[23:11:41] <giacus> similar to keyboard
[23:11:48] <giacus> same scale
[23:11:55] <A-L-P-H-A> is that an abio?
[23:11:56] <anonimasu> I suck at it, but left/right handed kind of went away when I started to play
[23:12:33] <anonimasu> I tig with both hands too :)
[23:12:43] <anonimasu> but I suck at it :)
[23:14:45] <anonimasu> LOL
[23:14:47] <anonimasu> giacus: nice movie!
[23:15:28] <giacus> haha
[23:15:38] <giacus> its old ..
[23:18:26] <Jymmm> lol
[23:18:32] <giacus> I'm waiting the Bluetooth module in these days ..
[23:18:49] <giacus> it should be done for august
[23:18:57] <giacus> kernel 2.4
[23:19:12] <giacus> have to check for ssh support
[23:37:00] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (Makefile.inc.in config.h.in configure configure.in): detect presence of readline library and enable completion in halcmd
[23:37:01] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/Submakefile: detect presence of readline library and enable completion in halcmd
[23:37:32] <jepler> bring on the failure messages!
[23:41:37] <jmkasunich> heh
[23:42:48] <jmkasunich> looks 4 of 5 are done (and passed)
[23:43:07] <jmkasunich> uh, maybe not
[23:43:10] <jmkasunich> thats an hour old
[23:47:03] <jmkasunich> ubuntu is done, the others are working, and their clocks are off by varying amounts
[23:48:22] <giacus> infact, I noticed the 2nd computer on the right was not working.. http://www.giacus.org/files/001_1280x1024.png
[23:48:37] <giacus> now turned on
[23:48:43] <giacus> :P
[23:49:07] <giacus> jmkasunich: got a nice wallpaper
[23:49:22] <jmkasunich> the compile farm is behind/above the strange brown creature?
[23:49:36] <giacus> yes, on the right side
[23:49:56] <giacus> not the 'strange' creature.. that's Gnu :(
[23:50:13] <jmkasunich> if you say so ;-)
[23:50:18] <giacus> haha
[23:50:54] <giacus> got the way to use movies in the pc screens instead of images :D
[23:51:07] <giacus> have to try something of funny
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[23:54:04] <giacus> can emc2 drive at all arms using kinematics ?
[23:54:22] <jmkasunich> yes, but only with some programming
[23:54:31] <giacus> nice
[23:54:35] <jmkasunich> and probably some details will be wrong and need fixed

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