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[00:16:17] <A-L-P-H-A> what's a CIM?
[00:16:31] <A-L-P-H-A> we need a bot with a define script. :D
[00:18:40] <giacus> jargon
[00:20:38] <A-L-P-H-A> jargon is aweful...
[00:21:05] <A-L-P-H-A> WTF l33t 5p34k <- jargon as well. evil stuff
[00:21:26] <giacus> btw, that's not a jargon term
[00:21:34] <giacus> its a term only Jymmm know ..
[00:21:40] <giacus> crypted :)
[00:22:39] <giacus> Jymmm: ! uncrypt CIM please
[00:23:02] <giacus> decrypt
[00:23:23] <A-L-P-H-A> well... phone tag with mess is fun... his wife said she couldn't wake him up. heh
[00:40:38] <jmkasunich> CIM = crack isolation membrane
[00:40:55] <jmkasunich> its an obscure product used in the construction industry under ceramic tile
[00:41:07] <giacus> oh ..
[00:41:19] <jmkasunich> I designed a jig used to test it in labs (about 5 years ago)
[00:41:31] <jmkasunich> every once in a while a lab wants a jig or two and I make them
[01:07:21] <Jymmm> cement board?
[01:11:52] <jmkasunich> no
[01:11:59] <jmkasunich> more of a rubbery stuff
[01:12:24] <jmkasunich> if you are laying ceramic tile over concrete, and you are afraid the concrete might crack or shift a little, you put the membrane under the tile
[01:12:39] <jmkasunich> so if the concrete moves, the membrane flexes and the tile doesn't crack
[01:13:43] <skunkworks> I on the other hand hope I have enough rebar and wire mesh in my concrete.
[01:14:01] <jmkasunich> true
[01:14:30] <jmkasunich> but even with plenty of rebar, there will still be small cracks due to shrinkage during cure
[01:14:47] <jmkasunich> usually you make grooves in the slab so the cracks happen in the grooves, not at random
[01:15:01] <skunkworks> right
[01:16:01] <jmkasunich> I guess with this membrane you can lay tile right over those grooves
[01:16:13] <jmkasunich> don't know the details, I just build the test jigs ;-)
[01:16:39] <skunkworks> Yes - I now it is used a lot.
[01:18:40] <skunkworks> know
[01:19:51] <giacus> hello skunkworks
[01:20:09] <giacus> guys how looks the wallpaper now ?
http://www.giacus.org/files/0001.png
[01:20:31] <giacus> need a nice image for the maxy screen
[01:21:52] <giacus> or the homepage looks nice ?
[01:24:27] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: so in a twisted sorta way, it's a floating ceramic tile subsrtate
[01:24:33] <jmkasunich> yeah
[01:24:38] <Jymmm> gotcha =)
[01:25:36] <Jymmm> just bought a bench grinder and a cotton buffing wheel... this gonna take some practice =)
[01:28:50] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone running dappar drake? are there any updates to x.org in the last two weeks?
[01:29:13] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: what is ?
[01:29:19] <A-L-P-H-A> ubutnu...
[01:29:21] <A-L-P-H-A> ubuntu
[01:29:24] <A-L-P-H-A> updates for x.org
[01:29:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm still having that video drive problem, hence why I'm still using winXP
[01:29:46] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos... fixed that ATI drive issue?
[01:30:35] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: my vmware dapper doesn't know about any updates to xorg
[01:31:32] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight
[01:31:42] <jepler> the package versions that dpkg shows are: xserver-xorg-ati 6.5.7.3-0ubuntu7, xserver-xorg 7.0.0-0ubuntu45
[01:31:53] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, thanks...
[01:32:08] <A-L-P-H-A> CRAPY ASS ubuntu... they should get their ass in gear to get 7.1
[01:32:15] <A-L-P-H-A> that should fix my issue with multiple monitors.
[01:32:46] <cradek> why not just compile it if you need it now?
[01:33:06] <A-L-P-H-A> cause I read the docs on how to compile X.org... and it's bitchy to me.
[01:33:19] <A-L-P-H-A> says this is missing, or compile failed
[01:33:27] <A-L-P-H-A> I tried like last week... gave up...
[01:34:51] <cradek> if it's just a new version, I doubt they will update to it
[01:35:14] <cradek> they do have security updates when necessary but I don't know the policy on new versions of stuff for other reasons
[01:35:28] <cradek> I know my breezy only updated X packages when there was a security fix
[01:39:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll try this...
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=ati+9200
[02:01:45] <giacus> * giacus try to sleep a bit ..
[02:01:57] <giacus> Goodnight
[02:16:44] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc: G33 should not nuke ABC position
[02:23:27] <Dallur> night all
[07:01:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> mornin'
[07:02:02] <A-L-P-H-A> GOOD TOP OF THE FINE MORNIN' TO YOU!
[07:02:24] <A-L-P-H-A> if I could only pull off the obnoxious Scottish/Irish accent.
[07:02:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> lol
[07:03:00] <A-L-P-H-A> it's actually 3am here... and I'm supposed to have lunch with my sister and exGF tomorrow...
[07:03:04] <A-L-P-H-A> why do I set myself up?
[07:03:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> sounds really good
[07:04:11] <A-L-P-H-A> my little sister doesn't like my exGF... but my exGF likes my sister, and wants to be friends with her.
[07:04:28] <A-L-P-H-A> err. exGF wants to be friends with my sister.
[07:04:36] <A-L-P-H-A> sister doesn't know she's coming yet.
[07:04:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh. that sounds... interesting
[07:04:49] <A-L-P-H-A> oh yeah.
[07:04:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, what a nice surpise
[07:04:56] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/changer.html <-- neat contraption.
[07:06:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that's really neat
[07:06:34] <A-L-P-H-A> Would be nicer with a two axis system (1 Z, 1 C), vacuum pump for claw. So you could use a 1/2" shaft, or was it 5/8" shaft to hold the DVDs.
[07:07:02] <A-L-P-H-A> Put it in a nice box, and whammo... sell for $5K each. :)
[07:07:37] <A-L-P-H-A> couple of touch sensors for home switches...
[07:08:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> not all too hard to make actually
[07:08:10] <A-L-P-H-A> no, not hard to make.
[07:08:13] <A-L-P-H-A> not hard to program.
[07:08:16] <A-L-P-H-A> hard to find buyers.
[07:08:17] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[07:08:51] <A-L-P-H-A> also trying to figure out why I would want to do such a thing...
[07:08:54] <A-L-P-H-A> would be nice to do this...
[07:09:22] <A-L-P-H-A> I used to work with one that did this...
[07:10:12] <A-L-P-H-A> you stack the CD you want to duplicate on top of blank CDs...
[07:10:22] <A-L-P-H-A> the machine would copy as many blanks as you had.
[07:11:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that's also cool but no doubt expensive?
[07:11:14] <A-L-P-H-A> Original, and a bunch of blanks... under that an original, and a bunch of blanks.
[07:11:38] <A-L-P-H-A> Oh hell yeah... it was I think $8K CDN...
[07:11:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, do you know how to set up the .ini to load multiple parports? "<adress1>, <adress 2>" doesn't work
[07:11:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> :|
[07:12:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> where did it load the image? some ram-type storage
[07:12:30] <A-L-P-H-A> it had an internal HD.
[07:12:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[07:13:35] <A-L-P-H-A> so it would copy the image, and then it copies it to the HD...
[07:13:39] <A-L-P-H-A> had three CD writers on it.
[07:14:06] <A-L-P-H-A> and an thermal printer too.
[07:14:10] <A-L-P-H-A> the damn machine was cool.
[07:14:38] <A-L-P-H-A> except it was faster to get ME to man 8 machines with 8 CD writers in it.
[07:14:50] <A-L-P-H-A> So it could copy 64 CDs in like 5 minutes.
[07:14:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that sounds really nice
[07:15:01] <A-L-P-H-A> versus the 3 it did in 5 minutes.
[07:15:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cheaper too
[07:15:08] <A-L-P-H-A> NO.... it was BORING as hell.
[07:15:23] <A-L-P-H-A> .SE = Sweden?
[07:15:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yes
[07:15:51] <A-L-P-H-A> you Swedes always sound like you're so nice... I can't tell when you're being condescending.
[07:16:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> :|, what?
[07:16:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that certainly wasn't the idea
[07:16:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I guess we're all really nice ;)
[07:16:30] <A-L-P-H-A> :) okay... I was teasing. sorry.
[07:16:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> haha, np
[07:16:57] <A-L-P-H-A> Really... you sound like Canadians... except with Swedish accents.
[07:17:18] <A-L-P-H-A> we're too nice... the americants abuse us...
[07:17:29] <A-L-P-H-A> NAFTA is a prime example.
[07:17:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> nafta?
[07:17:42] <A-L-P-H-A> North American Free Trade Act.
[07:17:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[07:18:00] <A-L-P-H-A> where there isn't any taxes or duties on goods acros Mexico, US, Canada.
[07:18:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> no tax between mexico and the US?
[07:18:53] <A-L-P-H-A> on goods made in that country. yes.
[07:19:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, that's not something I had expected
[07:19:25] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... hence why all the jobs are going to Mexico.
[07:19:57] <A-L-P-H-A> like how all the manufacturing jobs go to to say... Cechzs, or Croats
[07:20:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yep
[07:21:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, IIRC Jymmm wanted to say something yesterday
[07:21:22] <A-L-P-H-A> he 'always' wants to say something
[07:21:37] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[07:22:43] <A-L-P-H-A> watching this survivor show... talking about people's ordeals.
[07:22:51] <A-L-P-H-A> two buddies, 20 something jocks.
[07:23:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, no, it was that you were looking for dmessier, and Jymmm said you were looking for dmessier
[07:23:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh my
[07:23:14] <A-L-P-H-A> oh. mess got back to me...
[07:23:22] <A-L-P-H-A> then I tried calling his house, and his wife couldn't wake him.
[07:23:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> :| that sounds.... promising...
[07:23:45] <A-L-P-H-A> one budy is a seasoned kyacker... the other lied and said he's a kayaker
[07:24:31] <A-L-P-H-A> so they tried this short ocean straight crossing...
[07:24:36] <A-L-P-H-A> stupid guys... so stupid.
[07:24:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh..
[07:24:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that doesn't sound that good.
[07:24:58] <A-L-P-H-A> I would have left the dumb idiot at a safe point, and go to shore, and called for help.
[07:25:28] <A-L-P-H-A> the idiot, didn't have a drysuit, didn't have a water skirt (to prevent water to go into the kayak).
[07:25:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> whaaaat?
[07:25:49] <A-L-P-H-A> he had a wetsuit shorty...
[07:26:06] <A-L-P-H-A> and all his gear was soaked... because of no water skirt.
[07:26:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> uegh
[07:26:40] <A-L-P-H-A> unfortunately both survived... I wished darwin would have used his hand from heaven and smacked someone down.
[07:26:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> like in darwinawards?
[07:26:55] <A-L-P-H-A> yes.
[07:27:02] <A-L-P-H-A> Darwin, as in Charles Darwin.
[07:27:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[07:28:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> bbl, gotta do some stuff before work starts... :(
[07:28:16] <A-L-P-H-A> okay.
[07:28:18] <A-L-P-H-A> later.
[11:53:33] <les_w> morning
[11:57:23] <giacus> hello les_w
[12:21:44] <alex_joni> hi giacus
[12:21:50] <alex_joni> greetings from athens
[12:22:52] <giacus> hi alex_joni :P
[12:23:24] <giacus> athens ? cool
[12:23:27] <skunkworks> * skunkworks is jelous
[12:24:07] <skunkworks> * skunkworks is jealous even
[12:24:30] <alex_joni> lol.. it's damn HOT
[12:24:32] <jepler> * jepler needs to travel again
[12:24:35] <jepler> alex_joni: how hot?
[12:25:05] <jepler> we've got a forecast high of 35C tomorrow
[12:25:06] <alex_joni> jepler: 35+
[12:25:11] <alex_joni> 37 or so
[12:25:23] <alex_joni> but that's air temperature
[12:25:31] <jepler> is it humid there?
[12:25:32] <alex_joni> and it's very dry, and hot asphalt
[12:25:55] <jepler> asphalt, eh? that's what I think of when someone says "athens"
[12:25:59] <jepler> er, no, wait -- it's not
[12:26:18] <alex_joni> jepler: lol, the sea is pretty far from here :)
[12:26:27] <alex_joni> athens is huge
[12:26:51] <alex_joni> http://www.pytheas-travel.gr/map/images/athens-map.attiki.jpg
[12:26:57] <SWPadnos> it's about the same temperature as here :)
[12:31:03] <giacus> we have lot of ancient greece colonies here around
[12:31:29] <giacus> this is my city
http://www.locriantica.it/
[12:32:52] <giacus> these are bronzes discovere here years ago by a sub
http://www.wel.it/Welcome/Calabria/Bronzi/bronzi3.uk.html
[12:32:58] <giacus> under the sea :)
[12:38:14] <chinamill> Hello folks
[12:38:30] <chinamill> alex_joni: how long are you staying?
[12:40:17] <alex_joni> thursday night I'm back
[12:41:18] <chinamill> Sounds that it is maybe too short time to go to Pireus and take a boattrip to one of the ilnads
[12:41:31] <alex_joni> chinamill: work travel.. not pleasure ;)
[12:43:44] <giacus> its alway a pleasure for me to travel, work or not :)
[12:44:03] <SWPadnos> that goes for me, too ;)
[12:44:44] <les_w> morning all
[12:44:51] <SWPadnos> morning Les
[12:44:56] <les_w> back to work on the analyzer today
[12:44:56] <alex_joni> morning les
[12:45:07] <SWPadnos> s/work/play/ ;)
[12:45:13] <les_w> yeah
[12:45:43] <les_w> well friday I discovered that the ultrasound I am using fractured some aluminum parts
[12:45:53] <SWPadnos> heh -oops
[12:45:58] <les_w> have to get those under the SEM and have a look
[12:46:11] <SWPadnos> you have a SEM?
[12:46:35] <les_w> Its at the corporate lab
[12:46:42] <SWPadnos> ah - phew.
[12:46:47] <SWPadnos> I was startig to get jealous :)
[12:46:50] <SWPadnos> starting
[12:47:03] <les_w> I almost got a free one once
[12:47:12] <les_w> It was thrown away
[12:47:17] <SWPadnos> I hate that
[12:47:24] <les_w> I drove out to the division to grab it
[12:47:36] <les_w> but they had put it in the crusher
[12:47:41] <les_w> you know why?
[12:47:49] <SWPadnos> government contract?
[12:47:55] <giacus> les_w: wanna make a bit of money ?
[12:47:58] <les_w> There was no one there that knew how to use it
[12:48:04] <SWPadnos> bummer.
[12:48:05] <giacus> talking about ancient greece ..
[12:48:12] <giacus> http://www.abramo.it/bronzi/restauro.htm
[12:48:19] <giacus> do something like that
[12:48:33] <les_w> make a bit of money? I seem to be doing that pretty well these days...
[12:48:35] <les_w> haha
[12:48:36] <giacus> they entered with a microbot inside the bronzes
[12:48:39] <giacus> :D
[12:48:49] <giacus> microrobot*
[12:49:08] <SWPadnos> I've heard of instances where a company destroyed spectrum analyzers and the like, because the MIL contract had ended, and there was too much paperwork to transfer the equipment to another project.
[12:49:11] <giacus> really .. can do lot of money
[12:49:24] <SWPadnos> $40k equipment, run over by a tank
[12:49:34] <alex_joni> ouch :(
[12:49:39] <les_w> I have often thought of little bugs that crawl on high rise windows
[12:49:44] <SWPadnos> yeah - my tax dollars at work
[12:49:44] <les_w> and lick off the dirt
[12:49:51] <SWPadnos> heh
[12:50:00] <SWPadnos> nanotech, baby
[12:51:18] <giacus> les_w: a lot of money around the art
[12:51:39] <les_w> solar powered. They would need to have a place to drink window cleaner though.
[12:51:49] <giacus> when you join art + technology or science
[12:51:55] <les_w> yeah
[12:52:40] <les_w> oh wait...what if they got water from the air?
[12:52:59] <les_w> tiny little peltier to condense moisture?
[12:53:14] <SWPadnos> peltier == inefficient
[12:53:19] <les_w> yeah
[12:53:21] <les_w> so?
[12:53:22] <les_w> haha
[12:53:23] <SWPadnos> heh
[12:53:45] <SWPadnos> use the gecko-like robot as a platform, since it can climb sheer surfaces
[12:53:54] <les_w> If I had those bugs I would put them on every window
[12:55:43] <les_w> one of those crazy ideas I have
[12:55:49] <les_w> like the snow car wash
[12:56:02] <giacus> :D
[12:56:03] <SWPadnos> a bit chilly
[12:56:07] <giacus> why crazy ?
[12:56:11] <les_w> I found that snow was a great car cleaner sprayed on cars
[12:56:13] <SWPadnos> though that would be good, right about now
[12:56:16] <les_w> non abrasive
[12:56:43] <SWPadnos> sure - the cafe below my old office used to use ice to wash the coffee pots
[12:56:45] <SWPadnos> same deal
[12:56:47] <les_w> with a tiny amount of detergent it really works great
[12:56:54] <les_w> wash a car in seconds
[12:57:10] <giacus> what where there isnt snow ?
[12:57:14] <SWPadnos> heh - any friction, and it melts instead of scouring the paint ;)
[12:57:23] <SWPadnos> there are snow making machines
[12:57:23] <les_w> snow machine haha
[12:57:25] <giacus> how much the cost of it to generate artificial snow ?
[12:57:45] <les_w> a good bit probably
[12:57:56] <giacus> peoples here around wash the car with some euro :(
[12:58:03] <SWPadnos> yeah - you have a phase change and the cooling itself to suck power
[12:58:10] <giacus> inset a coin to the automatic wash ..
[12:58:36] <giacus> cheap, but probably destroy the paint in a long time
[12:58:49] <les_w> I always hand wash with microfiber
[12:59:18] <les_w> yes car washes make "spider scratches"
[12:59:30] <giacus> something that save the cost is needed
[12:59:30] <les_w> worst on dark colors
[12:59:52] <les_w> Well the snow worked great
[12:59:53] <giacus> but its also true that a new tecnology is cheap when became for all ..
[13:00:05] <les_w> I experimented a little with it in chicago
[13:00:15] <alex_joni> bbl
[13:00:24] <les_w> k have fun in athens
[13:00:33] <giacus> alex_joni: enjoy
[13:00:33] <alex_joni> going to poseidon's temple now ;)
[13:01:40] <les_w> really a pumpable slush worked best
[13:01:47] <les_w> it could be resused...
[13:01:57] <les_w> reused
[13:02:10] <SWPadnos> too much dirt and you have a sandblaster though
[13:02:22] <SWPadnos> alex_joni, be careful of the big trident ;)
[13:02:39] <les_w> well run through reverse heat exchanger to make new clean slush
[13:02:48] <giacus> les_w: I've the sensation that is not very important how useful can be a new invention
[13:03:04] <SWPadnos> ok. recycle the "heat", not the sluch itself :)
[13:03:12] <SWPadnos> slush either
[13:03:13] <giacus> it is important how many peoples can fuck all togheter instead :(
[13:03:24] <les_w> I am looking at heat exchangers a lot because I am about to buy one of those oudor wood fired boilers to heat the house
[13:03:31] <SWPadnos> it only takes two, giacus
[13:03:45] <SWPadnos> they're pretty amazin devices
[13:04:05] <SWPadnos> just a bunch of sheets of corrugated plastic
[13:04:07] <les_w> very low efficiency I am learning
[13:04:13] <les_w> 20% or so
[13:04:25] <SWPadnos> no way. they should be closer to 80-90%
[13:04:35] <SWPadnos> air-air heat ewxchangers?
[13:04:46] <les_w> most are very amateurish designs
[13:05:00] <les_w> they heat water
[13:05:10] <les_w> which is sent to the house
[13:05:23] <SWPadnos> ok, and you have normal baseboard / radiator heat inside
[13:05:32] <giacus> les_w: cames here and join the art business :P
[13:05:53] <giacus> go to milan with a new chemical product
[13:05:57] <les_w> I'm looking to stop paying $1000 gas bills
[13:06:19] <les_w> giacus I wouldn't mid living there at least part of the time
[13:06:25] <les_w> mind
[13:07:28] <les_w> oh as for car washes...here's a free trick.....
[13:07:42] <les_w> save air conditioner condensate.....
[13:07:53] <les_w> use a little for a final rinse
[13:08:04] <SWPadnos> nearly distilled water :)
[13:08:07] <les_w> no water spots...no towel drying
[13:08:16] <les_w> it's distilled water!
[13:08:46] <les_w> works great...leaves a sparkling clean car
[13:08:56] <giacus> hehehe
[13:09:00] <giacus> les_w:
http://www.giacus.org/photo/famiglia/giacomo/img015.jpeg
[13:09:06] <les_w> looking
[13:09:11] <giacus> looks home many doves around
[13:09:21] <giacus> they're ruining the duomo
[13:09:41] <giacus> got an artificial cleaner rain for it
[13:09:51] <giacus> and you'll be reach :D
[13:09:54] <les_w> wow
[13:09:57] <giacus> haha
[13:10:00] <giacus> really
[13:10:03] <les_w> hmm
[13:10:09] <giacus> its a big problem there
[13:10:35] <giacus> or find a way to kill the doves :))
[13:12:17] <les_w> we call those pigeons.....find a way to use the poop for a product
[13:12:22] <les_w> what's in it?
[13:12:26] <les_w> nitrates?
[13:12:33] <les_w> use for fertilizer?
[13:13:23] <giacus> about the dove ?
[13:13:43] <giacus> acid
[13:13:53] <les_w> make fertilizer out of the droppings
[13:13:57] <les_w> let me check
[13:16:10] <les_w> http://ressources.ciheam.org/om/pdf/c08/95605290.pdf
[13:16:13] <les_w> ha!
[13:17:52] <giacus> :D
[13:18:18] <les_w> on that note I had better get to the shop and build up some transducers
[13:18:31] <les_w> bbl!
[13:18:56] <jepler> bye les
[15:03:49] <giacus> guys help about al interpretation:
http://rafb.net/paste/results/oAfQeM47.html
[15:04:10] <giacus> asking for legal question about blender artistic license
[15:04:42] <bill203> * bill203 looks
[15:04:59] <giacus> what he meant with 'to include source code' ?
[15:05:08] <giacus> he sayd yes or not ?
[15:06:56] <bill203> " If this Item is a Blender File the rendered output from it obtained
[15:06:56] <bill203> via Blender does not automatically fall under the copyright of this Item,
[15:06:56] <bill203> but belongs to whoever generated them, and may be sold commercially, and
[15:06:56] <bill203> may be aggregated with this Item. "
[15:07:22] <bill203> that's from the license, so I dont think that the final image falls under the BPL.
[15:07:42] <giacus> yeah, what I think too
[15:08:10] <giacus> another thing are the models of course..
[15:08:23] <giacus> but I'm talking about the rendered final image
[15:08:25] <bill203> yeah, distributing the actual model would fall under the license.
[15:08:40] <giacus> good
[15:08:44] <giacus> thanks
[15:09:51] <giacus> so I could choose the license as I want: Creative commons, GPL or others
[15:10:00] <bill203> sure.
[15:10:35] <giacus> excellent ;)
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[15:18:39] <giacus> wonder if EMC2 should be considered a 'non commercial' project or not
[15:19:20] <giacus> as many licenses required to used in a 'non commerciale use'
[15:19:39] <giacus> it should be intended as 'non commercial' I think
[15:20:16] <cradek> the GPL does not have any "commercial use" restriction
[15:20:35] <giacus> I know
[15:21:05] <giacus> but what the compatibility with 'non commercial' licensed products ?
[15:28:51] <giacus> the GPL should allow any use personal and commercial
[15:29:53] <giacus> then if I use a model the require a non commercial use for a GPL product is should be ok
[15:30:46] <giacus> maybe ..
[15:37:17] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus? what are you smoking?
[15:37:25] <A-L-P-H-A> have you read the GPL?
[15:37:30] <giacus> lucky strike
[15:37:49] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: yeah I read it
[15:37:56] <A-L-P-H-A> then what are you going on about?
[15:38:07] <giacus> I was talking about compatibility issues ..
[15:38:18] <A-L-P-H-A> of what?
[15:38:25] <A-L-P-H-A> say... I have factory...
[15:38:33] <A-L-P-H-A> i want to use EMC to mass produce widgets.
[15:38:35] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: blender artistic license and gpl
[15:38:52] <A-L-P-H-A> that's a merger of two liscenses... EMC has no such restrictions
[15:39:05] <giacus> I know that
[15:39:21] <giacus> but the license could have incompatibilities with others
[15:39:29] <giacus> as for all GPL products
[15:39:45] <giacus> tryng to clean the fogs
[15:40:28] <giacus> another thing is as GPL sometime is not properly applied
[15:40:44] <giacus> i-e for artistic products (as images)
[15:40:47] <jepler> giacus: a license which stipulates "non-commercial use" is not GPL-compatible, because the GPL forbids any restriction on the use of the software. "non-commercial" is also contrary to the DFSG.
[15:40:53] <giacus> it is ok for software(code)
[15:41:36] <giacus> jepler: well, but building a distro we could mix different licenses I think
[15:41:57] <giacus> i.e GPL for the code, CC for images or multimedia, etc ..
[15:42:19] <giacus> I know isnt a very good solution, but that's all I guess
[15:42:30] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, it's only viral if you're using the CODE in your own product. Not the results of said products (unless stipulated in the liscense)
[15:43:27] <cradek> if you used a gpl model (of tux for example) in your model, your model is a derived work
[15:43:33] <jepler> http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html
[15:43:58] <jepler> "debian-legal contributors think that works licensed solely under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 license [BY] are not free according to the DFSG and should not be included in Debian.
[15:44:02] <jepler> "
[15:44:20] <giacus> jepler: yeah
[15:44:25] <A-L-P-H-A> what's [BY]
[15:44:25] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[15:44:37] <giacus> Creative commons variant
[15:45:08] <giacus> there are 4 or 5 types
[15:45:18] <jepler> [BY]
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/
[15:45:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I see.
[15:48:19] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: hehe
[15:48:29] <giacus> as you see its a bit complex ..
[15:48:46] <giacus> all is software, but anything should be treated in a different way
[15:49:04] <giacus> as I sayd, code,images,multimevida, video etc
[15:50:31] <giacus> peoples who don't want to spent much time release anything as GPL
[15:50:45] <giacus> for many things that its wrong*
[15:51:25] <A-L-P-H-A> GPL is code/software. Not usually data.
[15:51:55] <jepler> I note that there is a "2.5" version of the cc licenses; I don't know if it fixes any of the issues the debian-legal people raised.
[15:52:18] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: if you think well also blend file is code ..
[15:52:34] <giacus> anything is code or a file
[15:52:51] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus. no.
[15:53:09] <A-L-P-H-A> if you're using GPL code as a library to your own code, you don't have to release your own code.
[15:53:20] <giacus> many peoples think use a non proper term for 'binary' to
[15:53:30] <giacus> they want to mean executable
[15:53:37] <A-L-P-H-A> from my understanding, if you used code directly in your own... then you GPL is viral.
[15:53:47] <giacus> there are lot of binary file NOT executable
[15:53:55] <jepler> I hate license discussions
[15:53:59] <giacus> :)
[15:54:05] <jepler> but don't let me stop you
[15:54:09] <giacus> jepler: I agree with you
[15:54:20] <giacus> I finish ..
[15:54:26] <giacus> really annoyng
[15:55:22] <giacus> better to talk is to work ;)
[15:55:28] <jepler> there may be a distinction similar to the "source/executable" one for non-software items. It's the distinction between the blender files and the output .png image.
[15:57:43] <giacus> to talk about licenses its a bit how to talk about sport in a bar
[15:57:57] <giacus> you'll never find peoples agree the same way :D
[15:58:08] <giacus> that's weird linux
[15:58:15] <giacus> but wonderful
[16:04:08] <jepler> I think you should choose the license you like, but it's pragmatic to choose something that will not slow inclusion of your work into a common OS distribution, if that's your goal.
[16:05:48] <giacus> jepler: right
[16:05:59] <giacus> hi Jymmm
[16:06:08] <Jymmm> hi giacus
[16:27:33] <Jymmm> SWPadnos:
http://www.quality-items-flashlights.com/product_info.php/info/p79_Diamond--3W-Luxeon-LED-flashlight-bulb-replacement---Maglite-C-D.html
[16:27:49] <SWPadnos> that'll be a bright flashlight
[16:28:02] <Jymmm> This LED flashlight bulb will run a Maglite® for more than 2 weeks/24 hours a day!
[16:28:05] <bill203> you have much experience with the >1w luxeons?
[16:28:34] <SWPadnos> you have to use a maglite or other aluminum flashlight - it'll get pretty warm otherwise
[16:28:55] <SWPadnos> bill203, no real experience, but I've looked into them for various applications
[16:29:02] <bill203> I've been wondering about the viability of a luxeon headlight for my vespa.
[16:29:03] <Jymmm> * Jymmm snickers
[16:29:16] <Jymmm> * Jymmm snickers @ SWPadnos
[16:29:23] <bill203> with like 6-8 3w luxeons.
[16:29:40] <Jymmm> bill203 making a hand warmer huh =)
[16:29:55] <Jymmm> or breakfast, one of the two
[16:30:31] <bill203> heh
[16:31:02] <bill203> probablly. I'd need lots of driver circuitry, since the input power is so varied and noisy
[16:31:06] <bill203> also, AC
[16:31:24] <Jymmm> I LOVE led flashlights for the fact they dont break/burnout. But even my lil 1 AA flashlight bothers my gf's eyes somethign fierce.
[16:31:44] <SWPadnos> hmmm - 2 weeks = 336 hours, at 3W, that's 1000 WH of energy, which no standard batteries can supply
[16:32:07] <SWPadnos> even D cells are ~9 AH * 1.5V = ~13.5 WH
[16:32:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Heh, notice they dont say AT full brightness
[16:32:28] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:32:42] <SWPadnos> I also haven't sen any maglites where the bulb runs the flashlight either ;)
[16:33:00] <Jymmm> but, if your up shit creek, a lil light is better than nothing.
[16:34:08] <jepler> what kind of Vf does a 3W luxeon have?
[16:34:57] <Jymmm> 4.5
[16:35:30] <SWPadnos> "works best with 3-cell or higher flashlights"
[16:35:50] <Jymmm> ">3 cell require our dummy batteries"
[16:36:28] <Jymmm> wth?! 80+ lumen 3w grn led
[16:36:49] <Jymmm> this lil shits ARE bright
[16:37:13] <Jymmm> 140+ lumen red led
[16:37:58] <Jymmm> Hmmm... never seen a CYAN LED before
[16:38:48] <Jymmm> 505nm
[16:41:50] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: 13.8VDC source, but 6.4VDC Vf @40mA. 220 ohm @ 1w drop resistor. I'm VERY tight on room, comments?
[16:42:14] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: No, I can't add more LED's either.
[16:42:26] <SWPadnos> use a different source? ;)
[16:42:39] <SWPadnos> you'll be wasting > 1/2 the power in the resistor
[16:42:42] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Tell Ford, and Chevy that
[16:43:10] <jepler> use a buck regulator
[16:43:21] <jepler> bbl
[16:43:28] <Jymmm> jepler: will it fit into a .125" slot ?
[16:43:29] <bill203> there's some luxon drivers called 'buckpuck'
[16:43:29] <SWPadnos> see you then
[16:43:37] <Jymmm> hasta jepler
[16:43:57] <jepler> Jymmm: the controller chips can be tiny but the inductors aren't
[16:44:03] <SWPadnos> well, you can use a smaller resistor, like 1/2 W
[16:44:30] <bill203> jymmm, what're you building with the leds?
[16:44:41] <SWPadnos> an auto LED light of some sort, I gather
[16:44:54] <Jymmm> bill203 illuminated sign
[16:45:20] <bill203> ahh
[16:45:37] <bill203> like a 'spotlight' illumination, or some sort of backlight?
[16:45:45] <Jymmm> backlight
[16:45:52] <Jymmm> ing
[16:46:52] <bill203> that's an awfully bright light for a backlight.
[16:47:00] <bill203> unless it's a really really big sign.
[16:47:14] <Jymmm> huh?
[16:47:25] <Jymmm> it's two led's
[16:47:49] <bill203> I just mean that the luxeons are really bright.
[16:48:18] <Jymmm> these are 18,000mcd @ 30deg
[16:48:19] <bill203> I have a bare 1w that I got when they first came out, you cant really look directly at it.
[16:50:30] <Jymmm> This is what I have on my keychain... I like that it only take 1 AA battery, bright lil thing too...
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/inova_x1.htm
[16:50:55] <Jymmm> rated 5 stars and $20 from Fry's
[16:51:24] <bill203> I have probablly a dozen led flashlights, I cant resist them.
[16:52:34] <Jymmm> oh, it looks like they have a new version of it, I have the older one.
[16:53:53] <bill203> making a flashlight would be a cool mini-lathe project
[16:54:00] <bill203> too bad I'm awful at threading.
[16:54:11] <Jymmm> Damn... we couldn't make 1/10 of one for $20 though
[16:56:33] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone do any actionscripting in here?
[16:57:31] <A-L-P-H-A> looking on how to use Action scripts to swap level/depths of movieclips
[17:00:23] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: so, you think I'll "ok" with 220 ohm, or will it get too hot?
[17:01:24] <SWPadnos> err - I didn't think about that part - one sec ;)
[17:02:15] <SWPadnos> 220 ohm will be 33.6 mA
[17:02:32] <SWPadnos> and just under 1/4 W
[17:02:51] <bill203> where did you get the luxeons?
[17:03:10] <SWPadnos> if you don't need 40 mA, I'd go to the next higher standard R value, and change to a 1/2 or 1/4 W resistor
[17:03:33] <SWPadnos> that'll save some space
[17:04:03] <SWPadnos> but it depends on the enclosure. theoretically, you could heat a house with a candle, if the insulation were good enough
[17:12:20] <bill203> Aerogel!
[17:52:49] <giacus> * giacus torturing video card with hard rendering
[17:52:56] <giacus> warm warm :P
[17:53:25] <giacus> wonder if I add a big fan up to the chip
[17:53:37] <giacus> the one used seems small
[17:53:57] <giacus> hope do not fries ..
[17:55:07] <Jymmm> giacus: LN2 =)
[17:55:12] <giacus> looks like a very small toy-fan up to the video card
[17:55:45] <giacus> I should have a 220 V fan around here
[17:55:51] <giacus> let me check :D
[17:56:00] <giacus> 10x10
[17:59:28] <skunkworks> don't you have some cutting fluid you could spritz on it? ;)
[18:01:56] <skunkworks> * skunkworks was joking
[18:02:09] <giacus> hehe
[18:02:26] <giacus> I've freezing spray for electronics boards
[18:02:34] <giacus> should kill it
[18:03:23] <giacus> I'm sure i'm having an HW issue
[18:03:31] <Jymmm> giacus: put it in the freexer =)
[18:03:49] <giacus> rendering at 1024x768 sometime freeze the pc, have to reset :(°
[18:04:00] <giacus> all right in 800x600 mode
[18:04:11] <giacus> and the video card is warm
[18:04:30] <giacus> over temperature I think
[18:05:07] <giacus> a biggest fan help I think
[18:11:44] <skunkworks> freeze in a can - in the olden days it had cfc in it. :)
[18:14:12] <giacus> a water fan for cpu overclocked would be nice
[18:15:29] <giacus> Id like to use it form my geckos too :D
[18:19:11] <bill203> if it's just 'warm' I wouldn't worry
[18:22:35] <giacus> just because I have to reset (rarely)
[18:24:03] <Jymmm> giacus: s/ water /
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol /
[18:25:41] <Jymmm> giacus: it's a food grade anti-freeze, but you might be able to use regualr anri-freeze too I guess
[18:28:10] <giacus> interesting
[18:28:33] <Jymmm> giacus: when used in conjunction with a chiller, it gets awefully cold... you might even have to worry about condensation too.
[18:29:01] <Jymmm> We used up up in the winery on the 5000 gallon fermenting tanks.
[18:29:21] <Jymmm> s/up up/it up/
[18:32:32] <giacus> is it expensive ?
[18:37:08] <Jymmm> yep =)
[18:37:23] <Jymmm> That's why I suggested plain old anti freeze for cars
[18:38:47] <Jymmm> but if you were building a killer beer/wine cooler... that's the stuff to use =)
[18:39:00] <giacus> K
[18:39:40] <Jymmm> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm beer
[18:45:52] <giacus> dinner, later
[18:53:20] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: whatcha think? Would relieve my size issue =)
http://search.ebay.com/7629720524
[18:53:43] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: soldering a wire on them
[20:28:12] <giacus> woow
[20:28:33] <giacus> got the first animation, a robot and camera moving
[20:28:35] <giacus> LOL
[20:29:07] <giacus> cooool :D
[20:30:31] <anonimasu> hi
[20:30:45] <giacus> hi anonimasu :)
[20:31:11] <anonimasu> hm
[20:31:18] <anonimasu> why not a huge heatsink and a peltier?
[20:32:00] <giacus> could be a good idea
[20:32:18] <Jymmm> acause liquid cooling is way cooler!
[20:32:26] <anonimasu> Jymmm: yeah and whenit leaks ;)
[20:32:37] <anonimasu> hm
[20:32:42] <Bo^Dick> are you guys good on powersupply design and operation?
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[20:32:45] <anonimasu> so what's up?
[20:32:51] <Jymmm> if you do it right, it'll never leak
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[20:34:47] <anonimasu> ah well, never cared for water cooling really :)
[20:34:55] <anonimasu> might be because I'm all laptop ;)
[20:36:23] <Jymmm> I worked with an amplier that had water cooling... the thing was a work of art... used no clamps; and you could visually trace each wire in a bundle from end-to-end.
[20:36:56] <SWPadnos> I've worked on power supplies that have water-cooled output buses ;)
[20:37:07] <SWPadnos> internal coolant piping
[20:37:52] <anonimasu> cool
[20:38:16] <SWPadnos> very ;)
[20:38:59] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I wish I could see that thing
[20:42:04] <jepler> Bo^Dick: this looks like a good page on sizing the transformer for an unregulated linear supply:
http://www.atc-frost.com/products/design/va.htm
[20:43:06] <Jymmm> anonimasu: I wish I could too... I couldn't bring in a camera when I worked there, and I doubt it's still there due to being bought out by Hughes.
[20:46:44] <Jymmm> bill203 SWPadnos :
http://cgi.ebay.com/1pcs-X-5W-PROLIGHT-HIGH-POWER-WHITE-LED-WITH-120lm_W0QQitemZ7550375710QQihZ017QQcategoryZ66952QQcmdZViewItem
[20:47:24] <anonimasu> Jymmm: too bad :/
[20:47:34] <anonimasu> got a clue about the brand and stuff?
[20:48:01] <Jymmm> anonimasu: All custom made... the amp fit into 3 19" full height racks
[20:48:12] <anonimasu> ah
[20:48:17] <anonimasu> ok, what was it for?
[20:48:25] <anonimasu> you tickled my imagination ;)
[20:49:10] <Jymmm> environmental testing... vibration. the "speaker" eletromagnet took 220 3p alone.
[20:49:24] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:49:41] <Jymmm> I could pull 15 G's on that thing... I'd wake up the ENTIRE plant too =)
[20:50:37] <Jymmm> the vibration table was 115 pounds of magnesism on a granite bed, with oil pump putting oil between the two
[20:51:50] <Jymmm> Always LOVED running tests with the unit under test powered... cesium within a double ruby envelope.... and the roof leaking.
[20:52:04] <Jymmm> Can you say KaBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
[20:52:20] <anonimasu> eh :D
[20:52:24] <anonimasu> suicide :)
[20:52:26] <bill203> $25 for one led, ouch.
[20:52:39] <Jymmm> bill203 a 5 WATT led
[20:52:53] <bill203> yeah, I saw that, but still, it's a lot.
[20:53:12] <bill203> I guess thats about the same as 5 1w luxeons.
[20:53:12] <Jymmm> bill203 you can hit home depot and pay $8 for a lightbulb
[20:53:17] <bill203> heh
[20:53:53] <bill203> thier store name is funny.
[20:54:12] <Jymmm> heh... lots of led from Hong kong
[20:54:21] <SWPadnos> http://www.luxeonstar.com/sub_category.php?id=201&link_str=199::201
[20:54:36] <SWPadnos> they're a little less from Luxeon directly ;)
[20:54:57] <SWPadnos> and I think there are distributors that have them for less
[20:55:04] <anonimasu> it all ammounts to quantity ;)
[20:55:26] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I dont see white ones on that link.
[20:56:01] <Jymmm> and not120lumen either
[20:56:48] <SWPadnos> I'll bet they're brighter than the imports, regardless of what the specs say
[20:57:05] <bill203> probablly so.
[20:57:18] <Jymmm> yeah
[20:57:38] <anonimasu> hm, pwm:ing leds to produce the light you want it a sweet thing :)
[20:57:43] <bill203> just use those RGB flashing led's
[20:57:46] <anonimasu> changing the temperature and stuff :)
[20:59:15] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: on this SMT LED... and the hash areas the solder pads you think?
http://www.geocities.com/lvehkl/SMD/SMD1206.jpg
[21:06:46] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, yes, those will be the solder pads
[21:08:03] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/test_camera.avi
[21:08:05] <giacus> :D
[21:08:15] <giacus> haha
[21:08:31] <giacus> next step will be to animate the cnc :P
[21:09:23] <giacus> and the lathe
[21:18:47] <Jymmm> giacus "But, but, but, what about animating Tux????????????????" =)
[21:19:04] <Jymmm> giacus: Make him do the Macarana =)
[21:19:19] <giacus> :)
[21:19:42] <giacus> tux can walk following a path :P
[21:20:11] <giacus> will it end with a videogame ? O_O
[21:20:13] <giacus> LOL
[21:20:52] <giacus> should be not hard at the end ..
[21:21:01] <giacus> blender has a good game engine
[21:22:03] <Jymmm> Make tux "the ball" in a pinball game
[21:22:33] <giacus> I really prefer the gnu
[21:22:35] <giacus> :)
[21:23:16] <giacus> elementary dear watson ;P
[21:30:13] <dmessier> hello all
[21:30:20] <giacus> hello dmessier
[21:30:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hi
[21:32:37] <dmessier> unions SUCK... BITE...BLOW... WHATEVER your euphanism for are BAD... <insert here >
[21:33:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> dmessier: heh. I feel the same, however *everyone* else at my factory (400 or so) seems to think the opposite...
[21:34:31] <giacus> dmessier: what happen ?
[21:34:32] <dmessier> im NOT unionized.. on contract actually so i say what i think and let the chips fall where they may
[21:35:29] <SWPadnos> well, sometimes unions are good. For example, when you need to split a 32-bit int into 4 bytes efficiently
[21:35:41] <dmessier> guys wanting managments QRT ( quick respons team) to do their job... so they can sit and drink their coffee
[21:36:39] <dmessier> we have 1 catagory of machinists... and 6 different skill levels from OPERATOR to skilled toolmakers
[21:37:12] <jepler> SWPadnos: haw haw
[21:37:16] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:37:23] <dmessier> bites to be be mee
[21:38:10] <dmessier> i'd like to walke 6-8 guys out of the shop... honestly
[21:38:27] <dmessier> thx for coming out... ; )
[21:39:04] <dmessier> i'd bet i have a different mindset for the afteroon..
[21:43:47] <asdfqwega> Unions were one evil made to combat another
[21:44:06] <dmessier> i havent had a known formal grievance YET.. but it as come close on a few occasions
[21:44:38] <asdfqwega> I wouldn't mind them so much...if they were patterned more after a 'guild' model
[21:44:52] <dmessier> i agree.. and now we have the GOVenment to do the H&S stuf..
[21:45:07] <dmessier> WE WISH...
[21:45:08] <asdfqwega> H&S?
[21:45:19] <dmessier> health & safety
[21:45:19] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: ASM geek! =)
[21:46:44] <dmessier> i wold LOVE to see a machinist guild... with working mentors and apprentices
[21:47:03] <Jymmm> dmessier start one, then drop the union
[21:47:29] <giacus> dmessier: be happy don't worry, for any need cames here we'll find you a job in 'cosa nostra'
[21:47:39] <dmessier> hmmmm... DONT get me started.... i could get 51 % signatures
[21:47:57] <giacus> sicilian mafia -> vatican -> government
[21:48:01] <asdfqwega> Unfortunately, previous case law pretty much hamstrings any kind of guild
[21:48:29] <giacus> and you get a plate of spaghetti for sure every day
[21:48:37] <dmessier> i DONT want it to make a $$$
[21:48:40] <alex_joni> and pepsi light
[21:48:51] <giacus> and red wine
[21:49:05] <giacus> hi alex_joni
[21:49:42] <dmessier> i want it to make toolmakers... who can make $$$$
[21:50:09] <giacus> ah ! stay away from $$$$
[21:50:11] <dmessier> and DAMN PERFECT parts... bcz we CAN
[21:50:14] <giacus> are dangerous
[21:50:26] <giacus> $$ are enough
[21:50:43] <asdfqwega> I'm a state-certified journeyman machinist in the state of Ohio - if you start a guild, call me
[21:51:05] <bill203> if you start a class, tell me.
[21:51:06] <bill203> heh
[21:51:11] <dmessier> but a toolmakers worth his weight in GOLD over a liketime.... i measured.. ME
[21:51:28] <alex_joni> night all
[21:51:44] <Jymmm> nite alex
[21:51:47] <giacus> goodnight alex
[21:51:51] <dmessier> be well
[21:51:58] <Jymmm> dmessier then make me a right angled router bit damnit!
[21:52:10] <giacus> dmessier: $$$$ can make a man slave
[21:52:23] <giacus> where live is too short :)
[21:52:27] <giacus> life
[21:52:28] <dmessier> how so?? right angled head???
[21:52:43] <giacus> really
[21:52:53] <Jymmm> dmessier: No a 1/4" bit, that has a 90 deg right angle =)
[21:52:58] <giacus> 95% of people I know are so ..
[21:52:58] <dmessier> $$ drives the boy to be a man .. the man he can
[21:53:20] <giacus> I think different
[21:53:23] <asdfqwega> Problem is, unlike the freemasons of old, all our knowlege is out there already
[21:53:28] <giacus> sure $$ are important
[21:53:42] <dmessier> hmm 45 derees i had a solution.. but you wanna drill around corners
[21:53:45] <giacus> but are not what can drive a children to be a man
[21:53:52] <Jymmm> dmessier bingo =)
[21:54:19] <dmessier> how much headroom you got??
[21:54:36] <Jymmm> 1/4"
[21:55:20] <asdfqwega> A previous employer of mine is using a temp agency to fill mine and other posts - hahahaha
[21:55:20] <dmessier> flex shaft drill with a drill jig
[21:55:47] <dmessier> ??
[21:55:47] <giacus> really we live in a society where the only important thing seems to be the money
[21:55:55] <giacus> money and appearence
[21:56:00] <Jymmm> dmessier milling a blind slot/pocket =)
[21:56:07] <giacus> where what we really need is other !
[21:56:28] <dmessier> too many ppl to obsessed.. they will realize it when the siezure strokes them out...
[21:57:11] <dmessier> can you drill thru another wall.. and plug it??
[21:57:46] <Jymmm> dmessier: Yeah, but that's thing I'm trying to avoid.
[21:58:24] <dmessier> how big a hole??
[21:58:31] <Jymmm> dmessier: It was meant as a joke... like a board stretcher =) You know, when you cut a 2x4 too short, you grab the board stretcher to get the board the length you need =)
[21:58:36] <asdfqwega> Jymmm: Back to drawing board.
[21:59:15] <dmessier> drill thru and dowel plug it..
[21:59:37] <asdfqwega> Mig/tig it
[21:59:45] <dmessier> put the name plate ofer it
[21:59:53] <asdfqwega> heh
[22:00:22] <Jymmm> I was gonna mill the name, instead of using a label.
[22:00:30] <dmessier> think boys... hide the autographs... makes that much sweeter
[22:01:08] <dmessier> so mill it there.. it will add effect
[22:01:14] <Jymmm> lol
[22:01:34] <dmessier> no one else will know...
[22:01:34] <asdfqwega> Use the hole to dot your i/j
[22:01:59] <dmessier> as a circle stamp tye thing
[22:02:04] <dmessier> tyoe
[22:02:06] <asdfqwega> Use a dull bit, and you might get an '
[22:02:22] <dmessier> type
[22:03:44] <anonimasu> hm, I spent 2 hours making a precision t slot nut..
[22:03:46] <anonimasu> :)
[22:03:56] <anonimasu> and it turned out as precision scrap ^_^
[22:04:24] <Jymmm> I think I MIGHT have come up with an idea... just two shells that are glued together.
[22:04:29] <anonimasu> I forgot to align the vise ;)
[22:04:45] <Jymmm> anonimasu a T-slot NUT ?
[22:05:20] <anonimasu> yeah, or well plate..
[22:05:30] <anonimasu> it's a motor mount..
[22:05:36] <anonimasu> or rather the back piece..
[22:06:00] <dmessier> can i walk you to the door sir.. we'll mail you your dividends ... les expenses..
[22:06:19] <anonimasu> 4eh?
[22:07:46] <anonimasu> i'll make another one tomorrow
[22:08:18] <anonimasu> hopefully i'll have the y axis done in the middle of the week
[22:08:41] <dmessier> T-nuts are made 6 at a time in an alighned vise... face.. mill to finish +.10.. cdrill drill csink... tap... cdrill the centermark for the saw...
[22:09:04] <dmessier> finish sides... CUTEM OFF
[22:09:14] <anonimasu> dmessier: this isnt a t-nut like that
[22:09:18] <anonimasu> it's more like a T plate..
[22:09:24] <dmessier> si
[22:09:29] <anonimasu> going to clamp a motor to it.. later on
[22:10:00] <anonimasu> mounting ballscrews on my mill is a hell..
[22:10:01] <anonimasu> :)
[22:10:07] <dmessier> trunnion???
[22:10:25] <anonimasu> no idea what that is
[22:10:42] <anonimasu> the y axis has the wheel on top and a rack bevel gear..
[22:10:54] <anonimasu> but I cant do that with ballscrews
[22:11:03] <anonimasu> and fit the motor in a sensible place :)
[22:12:42] <dmessier> pics??
[22:12:46] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:12:54] <anonimasu> but I cant grab them off the camera right now
[22:12:59] <anonimasu> I'm documenting ;)
[22:13:05] <dmessier> is yours the Bostomatic??
[22:13:12] <anonimasu> no
[22:13:15] <anonimasu> mine's the schaublin
[22:13:53] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Does this make sense to you.... 18000mcd @ 30 deg ~= 3.8 lumens and 1500mcd @ 140 deg ~= 6.2 lumens
[22:14:14] <dmessier> hmmm sorry aneurism forming world lookin' cloudy...
[22:14:38] <Jymmm> anonimasu direct or belt?
[22:14:45] <anonimasu> Jymmm: direct
[22:15:00] <Jymmm> big motor
[22:15:04] <anonimasu> Jymmm: with the screws I have the inertia adds up the same as with 5mm screws and the gearing les suggested..
[22:15:09] <anonimasu> Jymmm: 2mm pitched screws
[22:15:11] <anonimasu> :
[22:15:38] <dmessier> but yes.. YOU have a machine that has been inspected using very precice optical equipment
[22:15:59] <anonimasu> me?
[22:16:04] <anonimasu> yeah :) it's insane
[22:16:34] <dmessier> it has been shot with an autocallimeter..
[22:16:40] <Jymmm> ah, ather's a gear box in there.
[22:17:20] <anonimasu> yep
[22:17:34] <anonimasu> dmessier: I think it'll rock when under cnc control
[22:17:39] <anonimasu> the only thing I miss is a real spindle..
[22:17:46] <dmessier> auto cal will tell you the mechanical motion... REGARDLESS of any electronics behind it
[22:18:05] <anonimasu> yep
[22:18:13] <Jymmm> anonimasu: I have a 9.6V cordless drill you can use =)
[22:18:39] <anonimasu> I'm thinking of using a huydralic motor + a electrically angled pump..
[22:19:14] <dmessier> i wiped out a full auto cal... when i rolled my suburban...
[22:19:24] <anonimasu> what?
[22:19:34] <anonimasu> ouch
[22:19:49] <anonimasu> arent thoose very very expensive
[22:20:00] <dmessier> had 2 granite squares too...
[22:20:13] <dmessier> VERRY.....
[22:20:18] <anonimasu> :)
[22:20:23] <anonimasu> I'm anxious to make parts..
[22:20:32] <anonimasu> but I've got so much machining to do to get everything mounted
[22:20:45] <anonimasu> feeling pedantic ;)
[22:21:08] <anonimasu> everything mounted square/in line
[22:21:43] <dmessier> but the wouldnt cover my $500.00 dollar tow bill to bring it all home... so i didnt put the auto cal on my insurance claim.... i only lasted another 1 yr there... go figure..
[22:22:01] <anonimasu> ouch
[22:22:21] <anonimasu> I hope you took the auto cal home ;)
[22:22:29] <anonimasu> or was it totally scrap?
[22:22:39] <dmessier> i lost a propane powered suburban...
[22:22:59] <dmessier> i handed it back to the company
[22:23:14] <dmessier> truck was scrap... mine
[22:24:27] <anonimasu> hm
[22:24:33] <dmessier> i had been out east.. for 3 wks... driving home late Valentines nite... 2 tractor trailors... that i managed to miss... i figured i winned
[22:24:44] <anonimasu> I need a better guitar.
[22:24:44] <anonimasu> bleh
[22:27:23] <dmessier> i went frontwards backwards upsides down.. and parked in the front of a hill..MY fuel tanks were in the back.. listen for the pisssin'
[22:27:48] <dmessier> and get out
[22:30:34] <anonimasu> :S
[22:35:53] <asdfqwega> Question: Would it be too far afield to have a page in the wiki about configuring networking for EMC BDI/debia/ubuntu - or is this one of those things we should expect people to trawl the entire 'net to glean the salient details?
[22:38:19] <cradek> in ubuntu you just use the gui in the obvious way
[22:39:12] <asdfqwega> It makes me wonder, sometimes....I mean, I've been using Debian for about two years now, and it's just in the last 3 months that I was annoyed enough by it's default settings that I hunted down the answers I needed to make networking work as I wanted
[22:39:37] <giacus> asdfqwega: its the same thing
[22:39:42] <giacus> exactly the same
[22:40:05] <giacus> docs about the net can be found everywhere and are always the same
[22:40:30] <giacus> there are no 'special things' in ubuntu I think
[22:41:30] <giacus> and a file called /etc/networking/interfaces
[22:41:59] <asdfqwega> Well, in debian and the BDI, I know of the gnome-based GUI - and it does just the bare minimum
[22:42:02] <asdfqwega> Huh.
[22:42:02] <asdfqwega> Then what's so special about Ubuntu, then? :P
[22:42:29] <giacus> GUI are a bad thing sometime ..
[22:42:33] <dmessier> ubuntu PUKED on a very reliable linux machine
[22:42:47] <giacus> choose a mandrake-like if you like gui improvements
[22:42:48] <asdfqwega> Um...yuck?
[22:42:54] <giacus> not debian based
[22:43:17] <dmessier> im workin on it..
[22:43:21] <asdfqwega> I've tried mandrake - it is NOT for me....other people might like it
[22:44:35] <giacus> until you'll get familiar with few commands in console it will be hard ..
[22:45:17] <anonimasu> yep
[22:45:28] <giacus> I also tried any possible distro years ago
[22:45:39] <giacus> from RH to Mandrake
[22:45:58] <giacus> hey K4ts
[22:46:07] <K4ts> ciao
[22:46:08] <K4ts> hello
[22:47:05] <dmessier> the ubuntu i ended ou d/loading first has no EMC... LOL i'm an idiot if it helps my son's turn on tu linux
[22:48:04] <dmessier> im good with it.. GAIM hooked into MSN for him.. he Smiled
[22:48:22] <giacus> dmessier: i'd try bitlbee too
[22:48:33] <giacus> directly from irc
[22:48:55] <giacus> if he dont need file transfer support
[22:49:30] <giacus> join the channel register the nick and your buddy list appear :P
[22:49:49] <giacus> as an irc channel
[22:50:21] <giacus> I already have an old msn account
[22:50:39] <giacus> eh K4ts ? ;)
[22:50:42] <dmessier> thx giacus..
[22:50:55] <giacus> np ;)
[22:51:08] <dmessier> biltbee is a server??
[22:51:43] <giacus> http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/news.html
[22:52:04] <giacus> multi protocol gateway
[22:52:32] <giacus> you can use ICQ and others too
[22:52:41] <jepler> I use bitlbee
[22:52:44] <jepler> unfortunately it crashes from time to time
[22:52:44] <dmessier> similar to Gaim
[22:52:59] <giacus> jepler: jabber account ?
[22:53:07] <dmessier> ive beened learned
[22:53:16] <jepler> giacus: no, aol and msn
[22:53:20] <asdfqwega> I've thinking of Eric Raymond's "The Horror of CUPS" bit, concerning GUIs
[22:53:25] <giacus> strange
[22:53:25] <dmessier> ive never use jabber
[22:53:33] <dmessier> icq??
[22:53:35] <giacus> jabber its good
[22:53:54] <dmessier> was best.. till ... you know..
[22:54:30] <asdfqwega> Direcway sucks...I've just lost DNS
[22:54:30] <giacus> I think jabber its secure and good
[22:54:46] <giacus> msn instead we already know what happen ..
[22:55:18] <dmessier> so is yahoo.. now that ist what was icq.
[22:55:28] <giacus> unfortnately I have an old account as I sayd ..
[22:55:35] <giacus> in hotmail
[22:56:19] <asdfqwega> Ooo, and two minutes later, it's back
[22:56:35] <dmessier> my sons are MSN junkieis.. i filter all i can... but they still get shite thruuu
[22:57:12] <giacus> yeah
[22:57:47] <giacus> childrens likes to use animaticons
[22:58:40] <dmessier> linux puppy... worked... no msn but Xnapster.. i gained a friend.. ;) 15 yr old
[22:59:12] <Jymmm> dmessier block the entire MSN subnets =)
[22:59:17] <giacus> you could also try amsn
[22:59:26] <giacus> its a clone of msn messenger
[22:59:48] <giacus> but it crash often for what I know
[22:59:50] <K4ts> bonsoir dmessier
[23:00:03] <K4ts> ça va?
[23:00:14] <dmessier> last nite i tried to add a guitar tab file finder editor..... and the laptop ties up till tonite
[23:01:40] <dmessier> bonsour K4ts.... je sius tres desoles
[23:01:58] <K4ts> pourquoi?
[23:02:32] <giacus> K4ts: seems happy to find a person to talk the can understand what she says haha
[23:02:40] <giacus> that*
[23:02:50] <giacus> K4ts: nice ;)
[23:03:08] <dmessier> notre ouvrage et tomber sur tette
[23:03:30] <K4ts> ahah dmessier c est vre
[23:04:27] <K4ts> dmessier: je suis allè a Positano a la mer!
[23:05:13] <dmessier> nous avouns de neauxeux de la france... et les frier de l'union Aim Pas Sa
[23:05:57] <dmessier> tu ma vait une plage j'espairre...
[23:08:30] <dmessier> faite...
[23:08:37] <K4ts> uoi
[23:09:35] <dmessier> ici il y' a fait chaude.. mais l'eau... froide... ; (((
[23:10:18] <dmessier> nous avons des GROS lacs
[23:10:59] <K4ts> ici aussi fait chaude tres chaude
[23:11:13] <K4ts> nuos avons mer
[23:12:34] <K4ts> http://www.fotoeweb.it/sorrentina/HomePositano.htm
[23:13:02] <giacus> K4ts: alex_joni è in grecia
[23:13:30] <K4ts> nice
[23:14:24] <giacus> this is cool
http://www.fotoeweb.it/sorrentina/Foto/Positano/Positano%20colle.JPG
[23:14:26] <giacus> haha
[23:14:52] <giacus> good designer :D
[23:17:00] <giacus> K4ts: how is the Vesuvio ?
[23:17:04] <giacus> no magma ?
[23:17:48] <K4ts> no
[23:18:11] <giacus> K4ts: did you seen RTAI there around ?
[23:23:38] <giacus> K4ts: he's our friend
[23:23:50] <giacus> sometime comes to irc
[23:24:01] <giacus> he like to patch and go away
[23:25:12] <giacus> latest time I seen him was in 2.6.16
[23:25:30] <giacus> ops 6 june 2006
[23:26:43] <dmessier> i'd settle for the top or the boat at the bottom...
[23:27:49] <K4ts> RRTAI?
[23:28:11] <giacus> nah
[23:28:22] <giacus> RTAI is the nick ..
[23:28:44] <giacus> he's from there
[23:28:51] <giacus> italian
[23:28:58] <giacus> napoletan, understand ?
[23:29:29] <K4ts> yes
[23:30:24] <giacus> yes ? :D
[23:31:10] <giacus> * giacus slaps K4ts with a large EMC manual
[23:31:20] <giacus> K4ts: kidding !
[23:32:00] <K4ts> me kiding?
[23:32:05] <K4ts> kidding?
[23:32:07] <giacus> me
[23:32:17] <K4ts> giacus kidding
[23:32:55] <dmessier> be nice
[23:35:16] <giacus> argh
[23:35:20] <giacus> giacus is a very aggressive person. He attacked others 1 times.
[23:35:22] <giacus> :((
[23:36:17] <giacus> Poor K4ts, nobody likes her. She was attacked 1 times.
[23:36:19] <giacus> :P
[23:37:43] <K4ts> gr
[23:40:04] <K4ts> che dici?
[23:40:08] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/emcstats/emc.html
[23:40:10] <K4ts> non ti capisco?
[23:40:11] <giacus> ;)
[23:42:05] <giacus> K4ts: lol also the stats hit on you: It seems that K4ts's shift-key is hanging: 4.7% of the time he wrote UPPERCASE. For example, like this: <K4ts> RRTAI?
[23:42:38] <giacus> I also writed uppercase but it hit on you :D
[23:43:07] <giacus> wonder why ..
[23:43:47] <giacus> ah! maybe you write uppercase much times than me
[23:45:34] <giacus> K4ts: wanna a nice wallpaper for your desktop ?
[23:46:29] <K4ts> yes
[23:46:38] <giacus> take this
http://www.giacus.org/files/0001.png
[23:47:40] <giacus> I suggest you to print 6-7 copies and put it near the bed too
[23:47:44] <giacus> :D
[23:48:36] <giacus> a small portable format will be available soon
[23:49:52] <giacus> for the wallet
[23:51:58] <giacus> * giacus is going to feel lonely ..
[23:52:03] <giacus> K4ts: you there ?
[23:52:25] <K4ts> qui
[23:52:32] <giacus> ah..ok
[23:53:33] <K4ts> non ho capito cosa scirvevi
[23:53:39] <giacus> uhm
[23:53:41] <K4ts> stavo cercando di tradurre
[23:53:49] <K4ts> ho solo capito
[23:53:53] <K4ts> chew pensavi
[23:54:02] <K4ts> che non rispondo per dispetto forse?
[23:54:06] <giacus> nah, lascia stare :)
[23:54:23] <giacus> no problem
[23:54:40] <K4ts> uppercase?
[23:54:45] <giacus> maiuscolo
[23:55:02] <giacus> COSI'
