fenn_ is now known as fenn
i got that 20 pound box of pcb stock in the mail today - totally ridiculous
not 20 lbs?
yes 20 pounds
samco is now known as skunkworks
fenn what is wrong with it?
nothing's wrong with it, thats the amazing part
cradek: any update on your board?
jmkasunich: one of the servos you gave chris seems to be bad. I think you should give him his money back.
actually he may have fixed it by opening it up and spitting on the encoder
ooh it's late
for me :)
anyway the quadrature divide-by-16 in AVR is working great
yet another day of fun idling. :)
okay guys, the moment you've all been waiting for; I finished my hexapod: http://www.makezine.com/blog/cokewrite.jpg
fenn: !!! CONGRADULATIONS !!!
fenn how many ipm can you do?
you got me all excited.. I can't even type
on closer inspection it isnt really a hexapod
the guy makes some cool stuff though: http://taomc.com/studio_machines/egg_plotter.htm
yeah, seen that one before
I like it... http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/DA8253F840C41029AC23001143E7E506/?ALLSTEPS
could use a 9v battery and a muffin fan too
or run off your bench PS
that eggplotter is just wonderful :D
here is a video of the sand plotter http://126.96.36.199/snowflake/technorama/sisyphus.wmv
still not sure exactly how it works
ow, i dont have that video codec :/
haha he has a cnc etch a sketch
fenn: The only difference in those two pics, is he used a difuser on the flash of his camera
fenn on the cheap too... http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/
fenn: Just something that I thought might do you better in your dungeon =)
Jymmm: don't forget the Canon 580ex flash he used
alex_joni: I have an SB-800 =) http://swannman.wordpress.com/2006/05/29/howto-diy-flash-diffuser/
alex_joni same dimensions as SB-600
Jymmm: probably 10 times more expensive than fenns camera
alex_joni: you mean my speedlight itself? Yeah.
my camera was actually $100 when i bought it
yeah.. that's what I mean..
fenn: like I said ;)
fenn My speedlight was $350 alone
ok, not 10 times.. but still 3.5 times :D
I love that thing too... IR reomte control
I'll buy one someday
can trigger 3 other lights wirelessly
3? maybe 6, dont recall
if your going for accent light, or no shadows sort of setup
the strobe I have isn't SLR, so I'm a lil screwed there.
But whats really cool, is if I setup the SB800 on the stand with an umbrella, I can remote trigger it via the internal flash on the camera all with TTL
that is nice ;)
TTL is great
Jymmm: oh, ok;)
AND... the SB800 can server as a master to other salaves in that configuration too
I'd like to get a SB-600 for a slave, that and another umbrella would be perfect
Jymmm: what'cha shooting?
alex_joni Well, with two setups like that I can do model or product shots without a lot of shadow issues.
shooting models.. eh?
make sure they are of legal age
it's hard only having light from a single point
Heh... you should see my model release forms....
I take a shot of the model holding there ID next to their face
barely 18 ?
Oh no, WAY TOO MANY legal issues there...
lol.. ok ;)
btw.. I always wondered.. how old are you?
if the clothes are coming off, theres the ID check, and video camera filiming the whole shoot.
The video camera is my "witness" to what went on.
Just in case the model comes back, didn't want her nude photos sold/licensed after all and tries to pull some bs about calling the cops and said I did this or that.
but.. you're avoiding my question ;)
Hell, I actually need to record every time I photograph now... last week got harrassed by security guard
alex_joni keep wondering =)
alex_joni Nobody on IRC knows my exact age, I like the mystery in that. keeps them wondering =)
well.. probably I'll keep wondering for about 10 more minutes.. then I'll forget :D
you know what, I sorta like this setup... umbrellas can be such a pain to setup sometimes... http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/Diffuser580exBack.jpg
you could paint diamonds on the back and have a nice toy cobra
dang.. weather is crazy again..
maybe I'll take apart one of those car windshield things that you twist to fold up, and see if I could do something like that with cloth instead of cardboard
we had 36C a couple of days ago, now it's 9C outside
nice today... about 78F
75f != 25c
alex_joni: FYI http://super.nova.org/DPR/
lighting is always a bitch... any little bit helps
scroll to "Respirator" http://flame-effects.blogspot.com/
can anybody tell me what emcstrip is?
a stripchart with emc extensions
some older way of making graphs.. nowadays halscope provides much more flexibility
I can't even find the progam, it's only being searched for in the emc script file
is it still included?
probably in emc1
cradek: I've some question for you
I'm going to compile the kernel again, using 2.6.16 source and RTAI on a virtual machine
first time I used Pentium/Celeron family processor compiling the kernel and anithing done well
not tryng to use Procesor Family (386) but is seems RTAI can't compile with it
did you used that processor family on kernel 2.6.12 you build the deb's for Ubuntu ?
I think he used 386 for Ubuntu
I think so..
giacus: if you're compiling only for yourself.. go with the best support
686 or higher
what Processor do you have?
my VM use an amd emulation
VM sounds bad ;)
but I would build my own cd live after that..
that's why I want a generic 386 processor family
but the latest RTAI patch for 2.6.16 seems don like it
hmm.. not using ADEOS patch?
I used the latest magma cvs patch from gna
should be ADEOS ?
I've no idea..
yup.. it's best to take the latest patch from ADEOS
same cvs ?
[11:56:57] <alex_joni> http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/magma/base/arch/i386/patches/?cvsroot=rtai
yeah, that's what I used
[11:58:43] <alex_joni> http://download.gna.org/adeos/patches/v2.6/i386/
<- try these
nice, ty :)
you need to use at least pentium with tsc
you can see the whole config file in /boot
can't stay long
386 won't work
right.. no TSC there..:)
ok, good to know
you should start with my config
there are a lot of settings that have to be right and each compile will take many hours for you
on the virtual machine I had to add some scsi module too
was going in kernel panic
beware that SCSI is pretty bad for RT
on real machines
I've never seen that and have used several scsi machines
my main machine for running my mill is scsi
with scsi cdrom?
got an german user complaining that the ubuntu livecd can't find the scsi cdrom..
scsi disk + tape, ide cdrom I guess
no idea how to help him :(
have to go
let's talk about that later
cradek: thank you
see you later
alex_joni: did cradek tell you we got his servo motor spinning last night with the avr quadrature divider?
spitting on it?
I read some of it in the logs ;)
that's nice to hear..
well, the real story is that the first motor we tried behaved erratically, and we thought it was electrical noise or bad software on the avr
jepler: what version of code was it? the first one? (on the AVR I mean)
then we swapped motors and it worked great
then cradek took apart the encoder on the first motor, looked at it, and put it back together. then that motor worked consistently too.
I joked that I would "spit" on it by trying to blow the unseen dust off the encoder sensor
ok, so probably time & contact problem ;)
and then I said on irc that cradek was the one spitting
that is really neat.
the AVR code had one bug in the way it used the I/O registers .. after we figured that out, it was correct
jepler: nice one
with the divide by 16 - how many lines per rev?
oh.. about 16 times less
skunkworks: I think the motors are 500 or 512 lines per rev, I forget which. I remember seeing 375 (per mm) as the scale in cradek's config file, which is based on also having a 3:1 pulley and 1mm leadscrew.
( 500 * 4 / 16 ) * 3 = 375
damn - just go that
someones quick with the calculator
* alex_joni grins :D
I actually tried 512 first, but that makes 384..
I think he'll re-flash to /8 instead of /16
So did I
jepler: what speed can the motors give?
so then I went in reverse.
alex_joni: dunno yet
any pid tuning yet?
the next step is making the motor mounts
it doesn't make sense to try to tune it now
right - wasn't thinking
sounds like a job for max nc :)
first, make the mechanical drawing in autocad r12 for dos
whats wronge with that?
I have a copy of that here somewhere.
ok, think I figured out why probing doesn't work :)
alex_joni: something is #if 0'd
tiny bit of code missing from the motion controller
probing in emc2?
no, missing .. not even if 0'd
should be 1-2 hours to make it work right
this afternoon :D
seems like every thing is coming togather
skunkworks: sure it is.. did you have any doubt?
seems like it was a good time to get on the emc2 wave :)
is there already g-code commands in there for probing? Or a better question - how is it going to work?
but I was talking to a german user who actually needs probing, and maybe we'll end up with a GUI or something to make it easier..
part of axis :)
jepler: hear that? ;-)
* skunkworks really likes axis.
* alex_joni goes home
does anyone understand how a modulo rotary axis would work (there is an email asking about it)
it seems to me like it wouldn't work well.
ok I see how it would be useful if it was being used for indexing, not really for motion
I suspect that indexing is more common than full 4-axis contouring
you are probably right
I see how it would work now
if you were at 0 and you command A350, it will turn in the negative direction to get there
similar to the toolchanger thing, but done to avoid discontinuities, I think
so from 0, would the move A-10 be allowed?
I think so. it would move to -10 (350) degrees
I'm not sure what the display should show, and what the internal state should be though
yeah that's where I got stuck
ie, another A-10 (relative) should theoretically show -20
or 340 ;)
seems like the display would show 350
maybe the better thing to do is go from -180 to +180
as soon as I realized that it doesn't matter which way it turns, this became pretty easy
I mean conceptually easy
you normalize the commanded position to [0,360) and show that, and move there whichever way is shortest
I guess it would get complex when you do moves of 1440 degrees and the like
so incremental A?
you'd still want multiple rotations, and you don't want the machine to arbitratily decide which direction to go
SWPadnos: that's what I had to disregard to make it conceptually easy
SWPadnos: no, I think that's incompatible with a modulo axis.
could be. I should re-read the emal
well he doesn't say anything
but I assume he wants indexing only
I hope so
maybe someone should ask him
I don't see what else can work if you throw away your non-modulo position all the time
actually, he's not asking for shortest path, only for the display to wrap around
to me, shortest path is an obvious thing to have with modulo
but I agree it's unrelated
I don't think so. if you're engraving a spiral on a tube, you definitely want the rotation to be in the direction you program
for indexing, the programmed direction will very likely also be the shortest path
I think a modulo axis is the wrong configuration for that kind of work
say you cut from 0 to 3600
how do you get back since your display now says 0?
I think I'd still want the display to show me the angular orientation of the rotary axis, not the aggregate "position"
you'd have to program -3600 (even in absolute mode) which is nonsense
cut from 0 to 0-3600, and the display will still show 0
no - it makes perfect sense
10 revolutions backwards
ok this is where I punt and say I want someone to write a spec :-)
yep. it would make things easier all around
(except for the spec writer ;) )
I really can see wanting this for indexing
I think using it for anything other than that just makes things obscure for no good reason
in a sense, displaying 1043 for an angular axis makes things obscure
if there were 100 degrees in a circle, it would be simple enough to understand
it's not immediately obvious that it means 323 degrees (or -37)
the 360 thing isn't our fault!
we could use grads instead of degrees
you mean an integrator could (which is very true)
heh - yep
if I cut only hexagonal things, I might want my rotary axis to go to 8.0, which is fine and I think would even work
the sad part is that I didn't notice ;)
it's good to catch your own stupid errors yourself first
me too - gotta pack for a trip
cradek: I hear the divide-by was a success
yes it looks like it's working great now
one of the encoders was bogus, and it took us a while to figure that out
at what rpm do you think the uP would loose it then?
with your encoders.
3-4x their top speed
yeah it shouldn't be a problem no matter what
very neat. So there might have been dust on the encoder or something?
yes, or some kind of misalignment
turning one direction gave clean pulses, the other didn't
do you have a scope? or where you using halview some how.
I'm going to have to figure out how to seal everything when it's mounted on the machine
I was using my old storage scope
if I didn't have a scope the first thing I'd do is go find a scope
we have an old b&k 2 channel and a tecktronic 2 channel. they come in handy. (help find my stupid mistakes - like sending inverse logic to the steppers)
SWPadnos: I asked Celso for more information about modulo rotary.
I've got to run. I hope to be online again sometime this weekend
see you guys later
[15:50:06] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/intro.mpg
an experiment attempting to create a nice videoclip for emc with cinelerra
74xx157 and 74xx257 appear to be identical, judging from the eagle symbol. Is there some subtle difference?
sandblasting a machine tool stand outside...grit in my mouth!
just waiting for that impedance analyzer to get delivered...it's on a truck 40 miles away
it can even do equivalent circuits of mechanical devices
i'll have to trow it on some servos
servos are s+x/s^2 kind of things
they are integrators
the 1/s is like a capacitor
but winding one up and letting it coast IS like a capacitor....
like charging one
zeros in the numerator are winding inductance, shaft torsion, etc
oh well enough laplace transforms. Back to sandblasting <spit>
do you know if EMC will behave differently on dapper drake?
Lerneaen_Hydra: why should it?
would cradeks script work?
I don't know, but maybe it would. that's why I'm asking ;)
probably, iirc it was just standard "add reps, then apt-get update install"
giacus: not bad
I was thinking that the RT kernel and dapper possibly wouldn't mix
Lerneaen_Hydra: it might just work
A-L-P-H-AL: how is emc2 coming?
I don't know if anyone has tried the existing rtai and kernel packages on dapper, but they will probably work
so as of yet, dapper is untested?
alex_joni: yeah.. don't know if I'll find all the necessary time to done it :(
as of yet, dapper is unreleased!
or was it released?
read that at /.
[16:20:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/01/1226240&from=rss
got this on the channel -ChanServ- [#ubuntu] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' is released!
so, who's making a new ubuntu emc2 live CD with 6.06?
giacus: does it have any sound to it?
A-L-P-H-A: I'll do that some day .. but not a priority
giacus: what codec do I need?
What's "LTS" stand for?
long term support
they plan to have dapper for a long term support, and the next one to really trash things for a while :)
radical redesign & co
Low Thigh Speedos
Ubuntu is freely available, including security updates for five years on servers, with no restrictions on usage and no requirement to purchase support contracts or subscriptions per deployment.
5 years really soudns like Long Term
alex_joni: yeah, quicktime linux
it has audio track
aj, it's not bad at all.
considering you'll most likely upgrade to new versions.
I find ubuntu people helpful...
now if I could only get multi monitors to run properly with the ATI drivers.
I can get multimonitors to run, just not with the ati drives.
giacus: I just started looking at the video you made. Maybe the phrase "ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY" is a poor choice to zoom in on
[16:30:33] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.launchy.net/
<-- needs a linux port.
I was also thinking that :D
that's just a test ..
there are lot of video effect I'd like to try
giacus: about the soudnstrack.. running with the speakers off right now
you know what would eb a cool tune?
Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm:mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)
there was a nice song called 'clubbed to death'
Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
ogg won't work right now..
that's a really nice song for a presentation movie
and the size is big, for few seconds of video ..
alex_joni: yeah, and free ;)
found some nice website with sound effect made with the mac
jepler: I think I'll replace the part you seen "ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY" with rtai test and other
got the screen recorder working ;)
something with FREE SOFTWARE
I should activate the random welcome msg in debian
giacus: check /msg
I get no video - damn pc
whew. all painted. I used the last of my grey-green auto enamel "machine paint"
painted the barn?
no a famco 5 ton kick press
I need it to make parts for the fingerburner.
heh. sprucing up for your upcoming visitors huh?
It was ratty looking
scraped in the base too.
les_w I meant to ask you... have you used water based PU ?
the ram is fine...which is good because I need 0.0007 between punch and die
what?! no racing strips or pin striped flames??????????????
Only a little. I don't like it much.
Yeah, I heard it's a bitch to work with, but it does dry clear (no ambering)
OFTEN Bluish, color too light, no depth
I like an amber color on most finishes
I could dye it of course
well, on ironwood (ipe), it makes the wood WAY too dark. (regular PU that is)
but I just seem to get better depth with solvent based finishes
I'm trying NOT to darken the wood, becasue I want to use a stain to contrast the carving.
well waterbased or acrylic lacquer is about the lightest
I like oil on Ipe, but yes it's dark
I just cant get the whitewash right. and I can't thing of any thign else to contrast with
you mean in the letters?
les well, your tip on laytex paint watered down a bit
SkunkWorks: try this: http://www.giacus.org/files/intro.avi,
it is intro2.avi.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 320 x 240, 25.00 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz), should work with xvid codec
works pretty well for me
les_w I just call it whitewash =)
chalky and porous....
easy to sand...
les_w but raises the grain big time too
but soaks up topcoat and then becomes very hard
les_w actually, became runny when I applied PU
dampen first, let dry, give it a shot with abrasive brush
you know with the grit filled nylon
les_w I've been using the household scotchbright pads
les_w: whats an estimate on how long til you start setting up the automation for the fingerburner?
one could do the same thing with coarse tempera pigments in very dilute PU
Fenn, I don't know. The Whole Finishing group engineering staff is coming down and we'll talk about it.
It's still in the lab right now
how did the LED thing turn out?
And the analyzer has not come...so I painted a machine today.
which LED thing? got pictures?
very well the embeded irc
LED worked GREAT....new president saw it and the put a ton of engineering resources on the project.
Guest553: glad you like it
les_w you mean he wrote you a check =)
I still want to do a RT linux automation on the thing
Yeah big checkes too. haha
Guest553: you can change your name /nick newname
maybe his nick is Guest553.
ever thought of that you insensitive clod.
that's actually a nicer nick then SkunkWorks
and even A-L-P-H-A now that I think of it..
and no one can have annoying nicks like mine. :)
I"LL do the physics...these guys can get on pro engineer and start making products
les_w, what product?
* fenn paints a sign on les's back that says "ask me about my new product!"
oh, "fingerburner." Makes electricity from compressed air with no moving parts.
pain in the a$$ a-<tab> :)
A-L-P-H-A Les is making a nuclear fingerburn device that runs off of hot air
where i type newname, please ?
Guest553: just type /nick newname
Guest553 is now known as Didier
type "/nick I_am_newbie", wihtout quotes
Didier: nicer :)
les_w: is the finger burner a hilsch vortex tube with a peltier between the cold and hot areas?
very good guess <Lerneaen_Hydra>
Are you all americans ?
i have an american passport
Didier: I'm not
no frenchie ?
darn ;), how is the efficiency?
Didier: Except for A-L-P-H-A, he's Martian.
we have an canadian gguy who speaks french
but not now around
efficiency is low
Didier: I understand a few words (but really a few)
lower than hilsch + peltier?
well i'm french poor alone
mmm perhaps not...we made several of those
Didier: are you interested in emc - or are you running it?
We have a division that makes the vorex tubes
Tell us a little about yourself :)
was the new one the one you couldn't talk much about becuase of trade secrets/similar?
oh i have installed linux2.6.15, rtai3.3, emc2.0.0 , axis1.3a2
Didier: sounds like quite a job.. your own install?
i'm computer ingenier
i have buyed motenc-lite board too
Didier: I am jelous - what do you plan on running with it?
les_w: when's it going to hit the market?
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: initial attempt at filling the blancs missing from probing.. it does work now for me.. not sure if it's working as it should though
i would like to run 3 axes machine
i have worked 4 years on waterjetcutting
alex_joni: nice job - sounds like doornik should be able to test it now -
Didier: have you done anything with 5 axis waterjet? for squaring the sides of the workpiece?
no sorry, i hope to do it
i have translated axis in french, i have a file fr.po
what to do now ?
start generating interest in waterjet :)
Didier: send it to firstname.lastname@example.org
no, jepler takes care of i18n
let me find the webpage
oh.. sorry.. just had your mail in memory
[17:59:02] <cradek> http://axis.unpy.net/translations
i have sent it to jeff epler
Didier: should be enough
jeff epler = jepler in here
i want my axis in french, i need to wait ?
Didier: you could try to get a source from CVS, and put the pot in there
but you probably need to change a bit around (nothing too complicated), for it to generate the .mo
maybe jepler can help, if he's around
i have generated the .mo
typing make in axis/i18n
Didier: hi. I've gotten your email but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
jepler : hi
after you 'make' in axis/i18n, running 'setup.py install' again should put the fr.mo file in the proper location
i will try tomorrow, because i must gone
very good idea the irc
but what time is it for you, me it's 20h11
21:12 < Didier> but what time is it for you, me it's 20h11
Didier: Here in the central US, it's about 1PM.
alex_joni : you are near me then
got the optoiso card for the 5i20 working today
maybe servodrive will work during the weekend...
well i must go tonight. talk you tomorrow
alex: wrt. to documentation, is the EMC HAL interface described somewhere ?
[18:10:59] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=5
I'd like to work on HAL for a jogwheel
to not only jog but also adjust feed override and spindle rpm
I'm not sure the EMCMOT and EMCIO interfaces are in http://www.linuxcnc.org/Hal_Documentation.pdf
nope. not reallt
nope. not really
there's also EMC2_Code_notes
and the documentation in the source itself
a suggestion for the manual: could we have _all_ info in one manual with separate sections for users, integrators, and developers ?
etla: that means 500+ pages
yes, but there could be separate pdfs for each section/chapter
that's how it's now
etla: do you have lyx installed? If so, look at the Master_User.lyx file in the documentation source. It simply includes all of the parts.
etla: it would be pretty easy to make another Master.lyx which includes everything for users, integrators, and developers
some of the parts will be part of Master_Integrator.lyx too
ok, well I'm not going to volunteer as head for the emc documentation project just yet...
what HAL pins/whatever EMCMOT and EMCIO exports for the integrator to use would be useful for me in the near future
as well as examples of how jogwheels/pendants could be implemented
etla: we are developers
instead of writing documentation how something could be made.. we just do it
so don't really expect to find documentation on stuff that isn't implemented
I don't think I am ?
etla: didn't say that..
I just meant that _I_ find it rather boring to write documentation
and I only do it, if I think it's crucial ;-)
right. I could write down whatever I learn during the summer as I am building a servo-machine with the 5i20
If I can learn how lyx and cvs works...
alex_joni: i forgot to tell you, i removed the link to hal_introduction.pdf because it was outdated and (i thought) had been moved in entirety to EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
fenn: it will never be moved completely to the user manual
you might as well #include all the hal docs
even if hal is supposed to be a separate entity
fenn: nothing interesting about hal internals for users
maybe for integrators.. although that's doubtfull too
why is it in printed documentation then?
for integrators it is definitely useful
fenn: I'm not following you?
shouldn't programmers use printed documentation?
anyone know if cvs should work, I get: connect to cvs.linuxcnc.org:2401 failed: No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.
if its only interesting to developers it might as well be in the source code
i dont know, i never really use printed material
etla: it worked for me 5 mins ago
fenn: then why do you care?
i'm just pointing out practical issues of keeping documentation in sync
it's not practical to have about 100 pages of written text in the source
anyone know where theres a good cad cam channel?
right, but of those 100 pages only 20 or so are about the code
bowmaster: this is it, maybe ##engineering on a good day
#blender and #brlcad
if you use either o those
this is freenode after all
it can be on other servers, i was looking
* fenn goes to bed for real
how often is testing released (generally, I know that there may be long periods without change, and so on, but roughly. weekly? monthly?)
maybe monthly I think
or years ..
well now with emc2 the pace is quicker
it could depend on how many user tester are
(is hoping for etla to make the jog/feed/rpm wheel-driver soon ;) )
will probably try to get the servo amp working first
but right after that I want to do the jogwheel
etla: look at halui for what you want to do
and document it while you're at it.. I was too lazy ;)
alex: how would I go about getting committ rights to the cvs ?
send a patch to the dev list ;)
that way we'll see if you mean business
how do I generate a patch on windoze ?
etla: I'm afraid you need to figure that out on your own
maybe cygwin can help
did only I disconnect?
yeah, no problems here
etla: it can also be a snip of code
no need for a real 'patch'
yep, I'll try to contribute with something useful whenever I get the jogwheel done.
CIA-8: sleeping again eh ?
Love the date in five days... 6/6/6
asdf23r is now known as A-L-P-H-A
* A-L-P-H-A hands robin_sz the lit ACME dynamite stick.
* robin_sz chews it.
[20:05:27] <alex_joni> http://www.porkolt.com/music/fur/elise/scanner/playing/funny/a-scanner-playing-fr-elise-281.html
[20:08:25] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.porkolt.com/music/star%20wars/boba%20fett/rap/song/boba-fetts-rap-song-559.html
yes is very doll!
I need an IT to EN translator I think.
A-L-P-H-A: I not have translator sigh
[20:12:27] <A-L-P-H-A> http://world.altavista.com
good translate as well.
well, sure you do .. if there is any word you dont know .. we'll help you
ciao K4ts... questo è il mio traduttore
Dove gradite andare oggi - MS. Doesn't have the same ring... :(
Siamo avuti divertimento con il software di traduzione?
I wish to go to sea!
errm is that: "my hovercraft is full of eels"?
I said that my dog resembles more to one sheep hour
ok maybe altavista doesn't work very well
il mio hovercraft è pieno delle anguille
[20:19:02] <robin_sz> http://www.google.com/translate_t
seems to work
Anna from thanks to ALPHA for l aid
found a good software translator ?
it don't seems to me :/
am I still here?
[Lag: 133 (??)
giacus on #emc (+n,lag:0)
ok.. was just a hickup ;)
[20:29:11] <alex_joni> http://www.porkolt.com/music/indian/parody/numa/numa-numa-by-indians-824.html
talking about translation
[20:32:11] <giacus> http://rafb.net/paste/results/hbvllW64.html
that make a sense ?
I'mthinking how to fill 25 sec of video
with a sweet intro
and some children in background
if anyone can correct that would be nice
K4ts: you're a poeta ? :D
con un intro dolce <giacus> ed alcuni bambini nella priorità bassa <giacus> se chiunque può correggere che sia piacevole
? che significa
mean the translator doesnt work so fine :(
K4ts: è una musica di sottofondo dolce, mi serve di riempire 25 sec con delle frasi di senso compiuto in un video
K4ts: any idea ?
K4ts: something with progress,freedom
they are to the telephone is my grandson who has not felt itself well has gone in hospital
tromblofebilte al braccio
[20:51:16] <alex_joni> http://www.porkolt.com/other/physics/chemistry/machines/machines-with-physics-and-chemistry-505.html
my 6yr old boy fell from a tree today ... made a mistake in choosing a branch
I guess I'll have to send him up again tomorow,
raining too here
alex_joni, wow .. those guys have WAY too much spare time ;)
I've been watching for half an hour..
and I'm still only half way
giacus I sing image
png or jpeg ?
ABCDEFGHIJKMNOPQRSTUVWXY&Zed... sung to the tune of twinkle twinkle little star.
Damn... oxy/propane torch kits are expensive
not that expensive..
Okey, found better pricing... $400
seems like you can do better
alex_joni: These are the BEST prices I've found so far, and I've been looking for a couple months... http://store.cyberweld.com/smlitoou.html
I like their logo =)
it's a mouse.
It is?! OMGWTFBBQ?!?!?!
no.it's an characture of a mouse.
or a really stupid monkey
I dont' care, I still like their logo =)
that's good. :)
we scraped an f18 drag brace piston this am... 25000 bucks...
what happened... can I have $25K ... ?
operator put in a no 2 rad instead of a no 4 rad.... 0.012" o/size... SUCKS
hehe... that operator 'fired'?
on final cut without re checkin... NOT.. union...
cant fire him..
probably not even get a letter...
i hate union environments... im a contractor still lookin in
the shop floor IS
i dont believe in them...
dang it... I'm thinking of making a monte cristo sandwich, after watching a cooking show.
Got Deep Fryer?
there was a day they were needed but not htese days
I'll just pan fry it.
dmessier: Yeah, now we just need companys to stay in business and not have 5000 layoffs (Sun Microsystems)
belly belly good stuff
we can stop there afterwards.
but the BEST ARE back on contract... I'll bet
[21:59:25] <Jymmm> http://circuitsassembly.com/cms/content/view/3447/95/
good night all
brb pool run with rascles
Alpha.. you wanna run be a team leader???
damn that sandwich was SO damn good.
and you didn't share? I should kick you!
* Jymmm grabs his steel toed boots
that that boot out of your butt.
These aren't by butt kickin boots, these are my shin kicking boots! I want this to be painful
damn food is expensive.
cheese $5. Chicken $3... ham $1.5... came out to be like $9... still cheaper than going out I guess
A-L-P-H-A Instead of the grocery store, try a restraunt supply instead. It'll be larger quantities, buy MUCH cheaper.
costco could do it too.
or sams club.
but.. I don't _NEED_ that much... it'd go bad before I eat it
8oz cheese cheese, grocery store $3. 3 POUNDS of cream cheese, $3.50
Even if you waste half of that, it's still cheaper
No it's not...
oh waist half of 3lbs
oh cream cheese
that's what i said =)
16 oz = lb?
I'd also have to have room in the fridge for that stuff
you can cut it down and freeze lots of it (not cream cheese though)
cheddar mozerlla, lunch meats, etc
now I'm having brewed ice tea + cranberry juice, mixed + chilled. :)
we bought 2lbs of sliced roast beef for $4
same with turkey and ham
good too, not that shitty tasting stuff
I spent half of that for 100grams.
that's a ~1/4 lb.
I'm telling you... hit a restraunt supply and look around
they deliver too don't they?
you can use EVERYTHING they sell of course, but lot of good deals, especially if you have a freezer
_can_ or _can't_
Yeah, with a $500 order or so =)
$500 = probably last me a good 6 months.
I mean can you use 10 pounds of vanilla pudding before it goes bad?
I don't like pudding
we buy worchester sauce by the gallon for abotu the same price as the lil bottle you get in the stores.
everytime I eat it, I get really sick... lactose intolerance, plus gorging.
ah, well you CAN have yogurt if your lactose intolerant
yogurt is good for you.
there are enzimes in it that kill the lactose
the bacteria convert the lactose into other sugars.
two of them, just them names of them are so damn long I can't rememebr
lactase is the enzyme.
no, there are two . I watch a lot of 'Good Eats' =)
well, the one in the human body is lactase.
these are in yogurt, not the body
I think the one your talking about isn't produce in the human body as much when we get older.
100% asians, 80% black, 20% white,
uh... I think those figures are fucked up. :)
[23:39:29] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose
ah, here we go... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance
[23:40:02] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3429.htm
ah, here we go... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance
this gives the chart
milk is really a disgusting product. it's milk from another animals tit!
I'd trust emedicine, than wikipedia... sorry.
and it doesnt give the chart like wikipedia does
[23:42:39] <A-L-P-H-A> http://store.muledesign.com/images/omg_lg.gif
[23:45:12] <A-L-P-H-A> http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/science/is_the_brain_really_necessary.htm
1/2 my family are LI
my Dad and I are... my sisters and mom aren't. :/
duh... that was the topic... remember? :)
that's a finding nemo reference...
just keep swimming - just keep swimming