what's up ?
tryng to play a bit with the code here
wonder if a 'control info panel' would be useful for emc
something to show all possible informations in real time I mean
axis already has that
not in the way I think ..
have you seen halui?
or was it halvcp
nope, vever seen it
giacus: I'm talking about "emctop" which is on one of the menus "show emc status" or something like that
cradek: I know that
halvcp/halui is still pretty new
thinking at what rayh sayd some day ago "19:34 < rayh> thinking about how to explain HAL to new users."
they are scared
looking at linux
it would be a friendly approach
the only thing comes to my mind are the GUI
a thing is as appear
but I hate this concept
btw, tryng to ask it to myself
hope for not long time :P
err wrong chan
right channel !
all night long here
giacus: i do think a gui is the right approach displaying HAL; that's what it was designed for in the first place
theorically its perfect
playng with cinelerra this latest day, I found it is very nice from the GUI
however, to get results I wanted, I had to use many timed mencoder, ffmpeg, trancode etc .. from console
something like this: mencoder provola.mpg -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=600:pass=2 -vf scale=320:240 -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=64 -o output.avi
some secret is always hidden
that's the hard thing, to get it out on the gui
and its hard to get 100% of control on the gui
this is my opinion
just hope I'm wrong
giacus: you are wrong
giacus: it depends on _how_ the design is implemented and which users are targeted..
giacus: the 3% power users is less important then the 96% other users :)
yes, its just my point of view
I think to do the equivalent of the command above a wizard would required with a gui
lot of commands need to be execute in the right sequence
and it its hard on a gui
the software would decide for the user 50% of things to do
good or bad
i.e I don't know how peoples find kde simple
I found it very difficult
giacus: Many moons ago, just to download from newsgroups, make sure you had every post part, uudecode, was pretty overwhelming too.
Jymmm: I'm new to usenet, I didn't read old post
but I'm sure, the topic its old
he means back when linux was an attachment to a usenet thread
oh .. sorry
giacus no point and click p0rn back then =)
eh there was actually
fenn not electronically =)
"petits filles" was a webpage at cnr in like 1990
it was as completely uncommercial as the rest of the net was
bed calls.. right time for me
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03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c: Fix handling of disable in stepgen. I forgot to clear some internal variables when disabling, which could result in motion and a following error when re-enabling. This probably fixes SF bug 1390123.
03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c: merge stepgen enable/disable fix from head, fixes following errors on restart
03fenn 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/classicladder_gtk.c: got rid of percent signs in Vars window, indented the code to improve readability
oh my god classicladder is so stupid!!!!
What would be a good choise for a processor to run with emc?
Would a sempron give any advantage to an Athlon?
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I was impressed on the performance onn the athlon I had played with. If you generating step pulses - I could run the period at .00002 or better.
If your using it as a step generator - faster the better.
don't remember the speed - thinking around 1.8ghz or there abouts
right now we have a 450mhz machine that is our main one. I think it is set to a period of .00005 - gives us rapids with our steps per inch around 200ipm
would a Sempron processor be a good choise for running EMC?
chinamill: I think the AMD processor in the machine that runs cradek's mill is a Sempron.
ok, I ask about his opinion when he comes around.
03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/debian/ (changelog control):
List new items in build-depends, which brings the Ubuntu package closer to
building under 'pbuilder' (there's an error installng linux-image-2.6.12-magma
in the chroot)
lets see now
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/debian/D99kernel-img.conf:
this is a pbuilder "hook" file. To build emc2 or emc2-axis in a pbuilder
chroot, /etc/kernel-img.conf must be modified, or else there is an error
when installing the kernel-image package. This hook performs the necessary
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/debian/control: new build-dep discovered by pbuilder
03alex_joni 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: halconfig is now named halshow, also clean out KILL_TASK to prevent bogus error messages
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: halconfig is now named halshow, also clean out KILL_TASK to prevent bogus error messages
hiya robin.. welding already?
Morning Ladies and Gentlemen
alex_joni ask now =)
hiya robin.. welding already?
Jymmm: bet he's not really here though
alex_joni, welding? not me .. I have employees to do that @::)
oh.. but he is ;)
and bloody good at it they are too :)
I thought you bought a bot to do that..
in the process of buying ..
hey, try this ...
they welded 15 coolant tanks ...
or square ones?
totalling 85m of corner to corner seem welds in 3mm
4h total weldtime ;)
if my math is right :D
all nice and ground smooth after ... then water tested for leaks ... even the slightest drop is a fail. how many did we get in 85m?
I surely hope none
but that's not THAT hard, it's still a very good result though
you should try the same for pressure recipients
tested at 500+ bar ;)
we normally expect to find one or two ...
alex_joni: if there's a crack they blow right?
* anonimasu is afraid of high pressure stuff like that
anonimasu: right, but to make it nicer usually there's steam inside
at that pressure
and sometimes not water steem.. but dangerous stuff
so only 100% RX testing
you photograph the weld using x-rays, there you can see the tiniest crack
s/tiniest/tinyest or whatever it's spelled like/
I know ;) but I didnt know the what the "rx" meant ;)
oh, sorry.. that's the .ro name for it ;)
raze X ;)
time to reboot the router box
back in a bit
alex_joni, bought a couple of welders in an auction .. Kemppi 4000 series with the 400 seperate wire feed. nice little 400A set
quite a bit smaller than the big old Transmig 500A sets we use at the moment
to use with the robot arm ?
nah, thats got an AristoRob weld pack
parameters set over CANBUS
giacus: Esab ;)
robin_sz: I know the guy who sells kemppi in romania, pretty good machines
kinda smallish for my taste :D
I'm sure they are fine, but personally I'd stay away from inverters :)
dont think they are an invertor set are they?
I think so.. but I'm not sure
traditional transformer and bunch of SCRs
oh, really? probably a bit older?
say, 50 to 10 yrs
invertors are getting a LOT better though
heh, this reminds me..
we had an exhibition this week
and this year we celebrated 50 years since the first CO2 welding machine
so we had one of the old ones in our booth
40+ years old, but still working
hm, inverters are nice to weld with :)
when I'll see an inverter that can do that.. I'll be convinced :D
just kidding.. I know there are other reasons why they aren't as fiable as before
I mean durable
invertors are fine .. until they go worng .. then you just cant even find the parts that went wrong ..
robin_sz: usually you don't have to look very hard
all you can point to is the burnt area where they used to be
in my experience it's one big white brick that's busted
worth 90% of the machine
I have a small tig at home and the large tig at work.. the small inverter tig is as nice to weld with..
if it's one IGBT.. usually (recently) it's one big inverter block
with most of the stuff inside
we have TIG, but only a small one .. 500A continuous, 750A peak
* alex_joni talks about smaller machines
that's not a small tig..
heh.. you don't get TIG's that are much larger than that..
it is ... two of us can move it on its wheels if we push hard
I can imagine ;)
big old Miller Synchrowave 500
yup, those are the good ones ;)
not small, but very smooth and reliable
you won't be able to kill it with one of those street rollers
I find the hard thing with newer tig's is finding out a nice set of parameetrs
I remember some time ago they had a different concept for welding machines
it was called henn & chickens
I hate tweaking to get clean nice welds ;)
so many options on newer tigs .. slop up,. slope out, pulse, background, blah blah blah
one BIG power source, and several wire feeders
pw and balance
blance is nice though
I've seen 2400A+ power sources @ 100% ;)
anonimasu: only for alu
alex_joni: yeah :)
or if you run pulsed..
yeah, but not much point for TIG (except alu ;)
it's nice for thin stainless :)
alex_joni, looking at a fronius pulse synergic thing .. neat, but heavily computerised
you should look at a Quinto 2 from cloos ;)
hm, I did weld with a fronius a while back
my head hurts from looking inside
alex_joni then stop looking in your head!!!
it sucked :S
anonimasu: you too if you like..
I were dissapointed
anonimasu: fronius is pretty good, what was wrong?
robin_sz: Ethernet, CAN, 6xserial, OMI (Open Machine Interface) which acts like a PLC, etc..
alex_joni, nice for robotics I guess .. but this is just whatever we find in the local auctions :)
it does cost control (tells you exactly how much money you spent that day for gas, wire, electricity, welder)
had a pretty erratic arc and stuff
robin_sz: DSP based, fiber optics between control and power stage
alex_joni, guess how much http://www.bachetreharne.com/images/A63205A/168.gif
$19.95 no up, no extras!
only gas cooling though
I wouldn't go much over 250A
yeah, thats OK we use 1.2mm wire max
I watercooled torches is so sweet :
I weld 450A with 1.2 wire :D
alex_joni, you spray mode junkie
robin_sz: that's extreme I reckon, but usually around 380
not spray.. pulsed
probably only 200 average
380A average pulsed = 500A peak, 90 base current
alex_joni: while on it, I've got a welding question for you :)
robin_sz: now imagine twice that on a Tandem
when you weld tubing and stuff exhaust headers and such in stainless..
how do you get _enough_ penetration, and keep the material from ( on the backside of the weld
anonimasu: really tricky
umm, pulse your tig
does your tig have a pulser?
2 ways.. either very good fitting & parameters (pulsed, etc)
or you support the back
or you use a vertical welding position
hm, supporting the back isnt possible :)
hm, so with the right parameters that shouldnt be a problem..
that makes it a bit harder on the welding, but easier on the whole thing to start running
I should try and set the tig up for it..
or well, get some thin walled tubing..
and see :)
anonimasu, welding thin tube to thin tube is OK with pulsed tig, thin tube to 6mm thick header plate is more of a challenge
* alex_joni is busy writing documentation :/
and hating every minute of it :D
robin_sz: preheating the plate?
would a Sempron processor be a good choise for running EMC?
chinamill: not only the processor is the one that determines the RT performance
I'd say that the mobo chipset is more crucial
and the memory used
and a LARGE amount of luck :)
best would be if you can test the system before buying, there is a RTAI test CD on rtai.org
do you know a god chipset for the mobo?
there is also a page somewhere on rtai.org where you can see performances from various PC's
but that doesn't really mean anything.. it's pretty hard to have an exact copy of that setup..
* alex_joni is running an Athlon XP 1400+ which works great
I think it's an KT400 chipset
2.5 CL DDRAM 333MHz
and it runs emc2 down to 6.5 usec
even using 3 parports :)
actually a bit more for 3 parports.. but still way too fast to be usefull
because of jitter
alex_joni: did you seen how I did it ?
[19:10:50] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/sf_test.avi
giacus: great :D
* alex_joni goes back to lyx
robin_sz: still around?
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/config_stepper.lyx: added a short description of the stepper configuration, as this is the most common one
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: include the stepper config description
[20:07:41] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
<- newest EMC2 User documentation
* jepler looks
[20:09:45] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=5
jepler: btw, thanks for the great docs about AXIS in there
I'm glad you like them
* jepler looooooks at Jymmm
jepler wrong window
jepler: any issues with that pdf?
alex_joni: the images look good, and the internal links I tried seem to work
alex_joni: those are the first things I checked
I still wonder if either Chapter 20 or section 12.17 (both about canned cycles) should be, er, canned
how do you mean that?
there should be only one section about canned cycles, not two
"should be canned" means "should be removed"
oh ok.. :)
* alex_joni decides to try latex2html
alex_joni: I already tried it
does it work on lyx files?
it seems work
but maybe latex could have some better converter
oh neat -- sim_servo even homes
alex: just noticed somethign in the user doc
giacus: doesn't work here
section 17.1, use appropriate decimal precision
says use 3 digits for inches and 4 for mm
that seems backwards
heh.. looking now
seems right to me ...
alex_joni: sorry.. I missed it, was lyx2html-0.2
0.001" is much bigger than 0.0001mm
oh.. that sounds a lot better.. any idea where to get it?
uses of mm will be using modern machines worht the 4th digit, inch uses are probably using wooden bedways and flint toolling
I agree it's probably backwards
#define TOLERANCE_INCH 0.0005
#define TOLERANCE_MM 0.005
[20:27:34] <giacus> http://www.netmeister.org/apps/lyx2html/index.html
sshh, im busy winding up Americans ;)
I meant to give values that were related to TOLERANCE_INCH and TOLERANCE_MM, which are used in various places. Most frequently for finding whether arcs are valid or not.
* jmkasunich slaps robin_sz with a dead (very dead) tuna
* robin_sz produces a very large and very dead cod
apart from that, are you well?
heh, even a small tuna is larger than a large cod!
I thought cod was huge?
robin_sz: ever got around and try emc2 & the Live CD?
jmkasunich: shouldn't we document G50 & G51 ?
alex_joni, sadly not ... very time limited at the moment
robin_sz: too bad
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: this was probably intended backwards
alex_joni, supposed to be coding some Java before my Swiss colleague lands in Washington to run it :)
robin_sz: record for a tuna is 458cm long and 684Kg
200cm is "normal"
maybe I wasthinking they were like sardines?
that's really one big tuna
[20:32:42] <jmkasunich> http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Gallery/Descript/BluefinTuna/sepiabluefin.JPG
im suprised there are many left ... sounds a profitable catch
oh well, back to coding ...
robin: on a completely different topic... I picked up a ruger Mk3 a few weeks ago
juve@ubuntu:~/documents/lyx/emc2$ lyx2html Master_User.lyx
now this is usefull...
jmkasunich, the 1022 semi?
22 cal semi pistol
with a 2x scope, bull barrel,
alex_joni: is it the latest version of lyx ?
good plinking toy for the back yard
giacus: you mean lyx2html or lyx?
I have to drive nearly 40 miles to find an outdoor range
indoor range only about 5 miles tho
jmkasunich,how long is your basement ? ;)
not long enough
alex_joni: same here
jmkasunich: if you insist it'll be lond enough one day
lets try: good plinking toy for use in les's back yard
try with the test in ~/lyx2html-0.2$
probably need something bigger than a 22 cal for that
yeah. les's yard would work
I had some fun at the outdoor range - they have 25, 50, and 100 yard ranges
giacus: that works
I shot a little at 100 with the .45
hit the target?
fire, recoil, begin to re-acquire sight pic, then see puff of dust as the bullet lands
I hit the 2 foot square target with 2 of 5 shots
(I was pressed for time, they were closing, and I had started at the shorter ranges)
parobably its a lyx vers. issue
As mentioned earlier, this release of lyx2html is a beta-release. Lots of things are not working correctly or at all. If you find a bug, please report it to the author. If you get a segfault, please send a backtrace to the author. This will help improve the programs performance.
The current memory-allocation is, even though improved over 0.1.1, still miserable and even leads to occasional segfaults. I definitely have to work on this!
our 100yd targets have a 28mm bull ... I won the local 100yds comp with a score of 195 ex 200 last year :)
hmm, not ready for prime time I guess
you have a bit more than 4" of barrel to work with ;-)
pistol is much harder at those ranges
yeah, and lying down with a sling helps *a bit* too ;)
right .. I MUST code this Java or my ass is going to get fired
he's gonna fire himself?
* Jymmm wishes he could do that
good night all
can I install emc head without screwing up the pre-compiled testing?
I wouldn't actually install it
run it in place
its best to have only one version installed, and right now that should be 2.0.0 (soon to be replaced by 2.0.1, but if you have ubuntu that upgrade will be painless, the update manager will handle it)
I might just wait then. (thought I might play with head)
that did sound bad didn't it :)
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jmkasunich: did you see http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/cncworkshopemc.JPG
few of the good picures http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/
wow, you really did catch the "first chips"
That was all dad. :)
shame the one with the emc gang is so dark
jepler thought it could be lightened - also rick took a bunch too - have not seen them.
I am sure more will surface.
we don't know who the scragler is to the left of cradek
I don't know his name either
he had a southern accent, and seemed very knowledgeable about mazaks in general
we can almost zoom in and get his name - but not quite
yes. that is what I remember
he was worried about the belvel springs or how ever you spell that
for the tool
[22:53:36] <jmkasunich> http://home.att.net/~jmkasunich/Pics/cncworkshopemc.JPG
I gimp-ified it a bit, increased brightness and contrast
if I increase it any more JonE's white shirt explodes
wow - nice job.
that looks very good
I wonder if your camera spot meters off the center of the screen
Jon's shirt is right in the middle, and it is just about perfectly exposed
I know he has it set up for the middle of view. So you could be right
but since its so much lighter than everything else, the rest is dark
there is definitely an above average amount of facial hair at the CNC workshop
8 of 10 in that pic
isn't that an ongoing joke of linux users? :)
that is how they are portrayed on the dilbert cartoon ;)
doubly true for Linux CNC people
machinists are beardier than average, Linux geeks are beardier than average, combine them and theres fuzz everywhere
If you don't mind - I think I will put the lightened picture back into my directory
03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/module_helper/module_helper.c: added names of RTLinux modules to whitelist
there - thanks http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/cncworkshopemc.jpg
LOL... Steven be the youngin in the group
he's probably about the same as jepler and cradek
Ok, Ray's holding Tux, and I know Steve, whos' teh rest?
from the left
somebody must know who mystery guy is, ray probably does
Eh, somebody just wandering by and thought it was interesting
no, he was helping
he knew a lot about mazaks in general
no name tag either
don't think so
heh, just look at the nick list for the channel =)
he talked like he was a machinist with lots of experience using or maybe servicing mazaks
I don't think he hangs around here
I don't think he's an emc guy at all
ah, will ask ray, he must know.
"The Montley Crew of EMC 2006"
thats about it
fenn isn't in that pic tho
I think he was casting at the time. :(
he's the young one of the group
you gotta drag les next time
[23:14:08] <jmkasunich> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/fennalum.JPG
the only pic that (sort of) shows fenn
with welders mack and all =)
So, who is/was hosting the fest?
[23:15:54] <jmkasunich> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/roland.JPG
the one in the middle
I've heard the name, but no idea what he does
he runs "Cardinal Engineering"
what he does is a very long list
he stamps out farm machine parts
he converts Grizzly mill-drills to CNC and sells them
I recognise Cardinal Engineering, just didnt put the two together
he makes all kinds of weird stuff, like ice skate sharpening machines
he writes for home shop machinist <- think that is right
So did all that showed up participate, or more lookyloos?
I was a lookyloo
there were probably 100 or more folks there
it is intended to be educational, so lots are there to look and learn
Cardinal occupies a small old school building
he had two classrooms set up, probably 20-30 classes during the week
You know, and the LUG here in San Jose, they have a linux install fest every week for the beginners. Maybe something along those lines buy CNC wise.
everything from casting to anodizing to edm to ....
I don't think I have any picutures of fenn.
was it scheduled so you could see everything, or sorta a free for all?
you mean ones with his face in them?
LOL.... cut-n-paste fenn doll
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[23:22:24] <jmkasunich> http://www.cnc-workshop.com/schedule.htm
click there for a schedule of what was going on in the classrooms
swap meet? anythign good?
I was selling, not buying
ok, what were you selling?
and dont tell me you 16ch kvm switch =)
no, I didn't take that
did sell a 2-way one there
sold some stepper motors, servos, drives, encoders, stuff like that
ah, excess junk box stuff
where those the advance boxes (drives)
you know, the montley crew pic might be nice to put on the website
once we figure out who mystery guys is =)
Jymmm: good idea
maybe I should ask - what where the drives you where selling?
I had some very old CSR Contraves servodrives, and one newer servodrive that didn't sell
the CSR's went very cheap to a guy who planned to gut them and just use the power supply
I didn't care, I just didn't want to bring them home
lol I know that feeling
Now you know why I got rid of 4 pallets of computer stuff
hm i missed the photo op
fenn see topic
[23:33:57] <fenn> http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_17548664/a5a2/__sr_/ce32.jpg?grg0ReEBq2NSR4Wx
are you drooling?
heh, no... my lil way of "tagging" irc logs when I search for something down the road
i wonder how i managed to stand at a 10 degree angle
or the heat from the forge
damn, no ammo on sale this week =(
Ok, I know we all like creature comforts when camping, but come on....
[23:39:06] <Jymmm> http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=9927-A50&categoryid=26003
Now, THIS one is just sad and pathetic.... http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5008B700T&categoryid=5180
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