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Hm...it seems that the python2.3-axis package has been updated
even before I started getting around to trying my hand at compiling it
I've just tried compiling emc2 release...and I forgot that I had booted up in 2.6.16-rtai
too bad I can't reboot the machine over ssh :P
heh...actually, I could...
Geez, ssh'ing around all my computers is so much fun...
I should do this for a living
* alex_joni has a new favourite song
carl smith & june carter - Time's a wastin'
also sung by johnny cash & june carter, and lately by joaquin pheonix & reese witherspoon
did you see 'Walk the Line' ?
never seen it
country music ?
it's pretty nice.. about johnny cash's life
Tagline: Love is a burning thing. hehe
you maked me remember another johnny ..depp
nice actor: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119008/
yeah.. kinda :D
I seen that film year ago
I always thought he's kind of odd...
errgh, i need a hand here i'm afraid: http://www.carmi.se/misterstarshine/Design/boolean.htm
you can do that with veitch-karnaugh diagrams
just google it, and get a pen
i've heard the term "veitch" before. gonna google aronud. thx
basicly you draw some rectangles
these eqs were made from regular karnaugh maps
might be the same thing
the theory says you take a karnaugh map, then you select adjacent 1's
either 2 or 4 (in your case)
well now it feels like you're talking about the regular karnaugh method
probably the same one
...and these eqs were made from karnaugh maps
so that loops me back to were i started
sorry.. don't know how to optimize further
i believe this could be implemented in a smart way for the microcontroller software like "boog" for linux
these eqs could be implemented in several ways right? many gates and short propagation or the other way around
depending on the number of gates available in the avr for example
where are all digital electronics hard-asses?
this is #emc
sigh. can't find a way to control my sony camera from pc
I'd like to use it to scan my first 3D model
get a Rebel XT
a new camera ?
oh.. canon, no ..
I don't want to buy another camera
you should :D
there's no support on the mine for gphoto, no remote control, no infrared ..
just work as an usb mass storage :/
I wonder if I add a small jack to the camera on the 2 contacts of shot switch
to control it by a relay connected to the parport
if it work ..
that should work.. if the jack is for a remote control
no, directly on the switch used to shot the photos
maybe I'm wrong
oh, that sounds like you need to take the camera apart
the program should turn the turntable by some step the shot a photo and so on
I think about 5-600 maybe
I could use a normal usb web camera logitech, but image quality should be very poor
there are cameras out there with remote controlls
my canon has some software to take pictures from the pc
you could use a videocamera..
I don't have it
if you don't need high resolution, then there's a $59 aiptek camera that jmk just bought, which can be triggered from a script, and can also do video
~1.3 MP though (1280x1024, I think)
$26 on ebay
your camera is nice, maybe also k4ts camera (nikon D50= could have remote control
the mine is an entry-level camera
giacus: that one sure has
nope - not the D50, AFAIK
SWPadnos: are you sure?
you need a D100 or higher to get the remote motor port
even if it's IR
remote motor port?
there may be an IR one. I generally go for wires with consistent timing characteristics ;)
Nikon has a 10-pin connector used for remote triggering
it's called the motor port
they used to havea 3--pin connector, back in the F3/8008 days
Wireless Remote Control ML-L3 that's standard included
yup, no wires
ok. that may be usable, if you have an IR remote transceiver and "learning" software
I was looking here http://www.wingmanteam.com/usbsnoopy/
but its losted time on my camera, there's no way to control it by pc since it has not be designed for that
that's a problem - most low-end cameras are either in image transfer mode, or image capture mode, but not both
the windows software does not contain any feature to shot photo from the pc
also the switch on the camera is not simple, have to push the button, wait some sec for 2 beeps and shot
very bad camera :/
giacus: usually there are 2 switches
1 for focus, and 1 for taking the actual picture
it would be so
since I just have to use all in manual mode, I could look for the second only
I'm not sure at all I can turn anything in manual in that camera..
often, those switches are combined into something with a diode or resistor, though at some level, it's still a couple of wires contacting
I could try, it could also disable the switch to shot until the other (focus) is ready
that could be a big issue then
just have to try ..
or find another camera.
SWPadnos: I'm not sure the aiptek camera is enough for my needs, I've to acquire my first 3D object yet. This one I've is 4.1 MP, could be nice
I've to ask to k4ts, she have an 'old' trust camera 2.1 mp unused .. :D
if is supported by gphoto
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/Makefile.inc.in: added tripodkins, for controlling a tripod (3-axes version of a hexapod)
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/tripodkins.c: added tripodkins, for controlling a tripod (3-axes version of a hexapod)
any orcad freaks around here?
uhm.. (640 x 480 Pixel) ?
Jymmmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmmm
* robin_sz meeps
* ValarQ wobles
Hmmmm, I can't understand how this shelf could support any weight http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/11/f9/66_1_b.JPG
Jymmmm is now known as Jymmm
giacus No nooky for you!
tomorrow I go brescia (lombardia)
sto finendo di preparare valigia
K4ts: are you watching the 2d part of Carol Wojtyla film ?
another fun evening ....
removing wildlife from the attic
find $randomBird in attic ... make it fly about, turn off lights while pointing a torch at your hand. bird lands on the only thing it can see, your hand. job done.
hi robin, jacky, anna
hi les_w :)
les_w Mind looking at a pic for me? trying to figure somethign out
les_w: I can't understand how this shelf could support any weight http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/11/f9/66_1_b.JPG
yeah I don't see any brackets...it's just cantelevered
bokkshelves and the like are often underdesigned and sag
I would say most
Yeah, but this was designed to hold a clock... I wouldn't want something weak
found a Z axis for my next machine: http://www.giacus.org/images/dsc00101.png
who know what's that ? :P
if all the weight were in the back it would be okj
ah zinc alloy.
les_w: Yeah, but it's not... that's the thing. and it's suppose to be circa 1880's so no steel involved.
plenty of steel around in 1880
how are things going robin?
me too. I'm tired and pissed.
we have too much work
I moved to a bigger factory,. took on more guys and the worlk just grew to fill it
Wasting time making gadgets for idiot management meetings rather than continueing the physics stuff.
robin_sz: need some guy from here ?
i'd like to came there :P
yeah, well that what happens when you work for $bigCorp
air generator lights big bank of superbright leds....
silly silly silly
very expensive and a waste of time too
how many watts?
les_w Jsut tack it on the bill
les_w leds are what $85/each
only 5 watts
K4ts: would you like to tranfer in UK ?
but have you seen what 5 watts will do with the newest leds?
robin_sz: I have to ask for permission to the boss first ..
oh, in that case.... $85/each per watt
oh, YES ?
napoli is to nice to leave!
K4ts: already know where is UK ?
you have to learn some word before .. :(
les_w slightly dim @ 5w these days
I know exactly 200 words
how we can do ?
les_w I just ordered some more LED's from HK
les_w 3mm 18000mcd 30 deg
I should be hard at work on an impedance analyzer rather than putting on silly demonstrations
les_w: Do you think a dovetail joint could support a lot of weight on a shelf like that?
les_w I hate that dog and pony show shit too
oh, btw I can get perhaps 50 mw with only breath pressure
les_w, spending your days plotting Smith charts?
jymmm no a dovetail would have no great advantage there
tounge and groove?
i'm thinking a nice steel bracket hidden in a groove
like 1/8" bar ?
les_w, I remember having spent ages trying to get a 5ghz stripline design to work, took it along to a research lab, hooked it up to an impedance analyzer and solved it in a few hours
great bits of kit
more than that
half at least
hey, that reminds me ...
I saw a fork truck this week
yeah my plans were to set up a pc based real time analyzer...and then this dog/pony shit
quite ... errm, big.
the wheels where as tall as me,
the fork had more than 300mm of metal top to bottom
I have forks for my loader bucket on the tractor, but it's no substitute for a real lift
only picks up 400 kilos or so
this was a 25t lift
I played with a 10t once ;)
good evening mr Joni
we shall see
pop...fizzz...it's about to get better.
then again I could make some PERT charts along with the meeting amusements...
[20:55:34] <robin_sz> http://www.klmstorage.co.uk/images/imghome.jpg
^^^ that forklift
les_w: Just get yourself a bottle of Crystal in anticipation of when it's all over
anyway ... we have LOTS of work ...
I think I am spoiling them. The faster I go the more they want...right down to 7 days a week
got 10K booked in for next week
same here ...
I'm doing about 7
money does not keep me from getting frustrated though
the more we put out the more they keep giving me
aw, I'm just tired....
this hurry hurry order stuff in the evening for morning deliver by courier crap has got me down
les_w: it happen.. well never know how much can do a simple smile :-)
I'm also tired in these days, very tired
but the summer is near ;)
may weather is very nice here
is it cold there ?
but rian the last 72 hrs
it is still cool
in the morning about 10c
right noiw only 15c
breaking small trees
yeah stron wind also here, that's the seasons ..
I got plants for the garden, but too busy to put them in the ground
and too wet
mmm.. sunday :)
Al vegetables will be grown organic this year
I got about 8000 kg of composted cow manure
* Jymmm waits for les_w to order the DDT by fedex overnight
Did anyone see mythbusters last night?
only chemical I will use is organic approve fungicide
no fungicide, no tomatoes
all will die from late blight
They confirmed that herbicid used in the 60's in NZ/AU was explosive
the ammonium nitrate I'm putting on grass is too
well not explosive, but VERY high flashpoint
They tried fertilizer, and gunpowder, not as effective
Jymmm: OGM ?
It was SO intense, that you would describe it as exploding pants.
they burned overallin abut 6 seconds
ohhh...I missed that
not a damn thing left, almost as fast as primacord
les_w Yeah if you see a rerun on "exploding pants" watch it, was pretty cool.
ok I will
les_w: Then figure out what it is, so I can play around with it =)
I know it was on last night or something, but I listened to music insted...
It would make some great pyrotechnics
I just have black poweder for the old guns. Goex FFF.
I keep it in a cabinet here in the office, but I shouldn't.
I ought to keep it in the barn.
in the ground
yeah 2 pounds could make a significant little pop huh?
This stuff was a white powder, I *THINK* the wet the overalls with water (???) then sprinleked on the powder
it even ignighted upon impact with a sledge hammer
and spontaneous ignition?
IF it does, they didn't show that. They tried open flame, 300w light, impact and something else, it went up in flames on all the tests.
of friction (like a farmer walking)
that didn't work
open flame, radiant heat, and impact did though.
highly volitile stuff =)
and it's a herbicide?
blows up the weeds?
the myth came from the sixties in nz or au
but it was confirmed =)
anyone used grub in here
the last one I saw was when they tried to make hovercraft from leaf blowers and it was pretty silly
les_w Yeah, that was bad....
alex look new for hotel in sicily!
I could do it with my leaf blower
The little ones are made for dry leaves
The chicken cannon was funny
I made a centrifugal fan that can lift and blow wet, matted leaves :)
neat ... I grind them up in place (good carbon source) but it is dusty
Wear a face shield... it'll blow gravel, too
I try for the ideal 25:1 carbon to nitrogen ratio.
probably either potassium chloride
that iodine thing
brush it on,. dries out, goes bang
KCL03 would do it.
I remember the iodide too
Other men were unfortunately occupying their trousers at the time of immolation. The mystery of the exploding breeches was solved when it was learned that the farmers used sodium chloratewhich becomes violently explosive when combined with organic fibres, such as cotton or woolas an herbicide to kill ragwort weed.
im suprised nacl03 was enough to do it
but, if it goes ..
Cuz you ALWAYS believe everything your read on the internet
they mix it with chalk here ...
asdfqwega, thats the stuff
they mix the naclo3 on the stores with chalk and stuff as a fire retardent
stops you mixing it with diesel and making bangs :)
well, unless you precipitate it out first obviously
Well, when you guys figure it out let me know so I can go buy some and play!
where theres a will
I'd like my meeting toys to blow up.
Should I make a PERT chart for that?
try filling htem with picric acid
* asdfqwega whips out old copy of "Poor Man's James Bond"
thats good stuff and fun to make too
hexa methyl tetra diamene
I'd prefer hardware/drug/grocery store alcahmist (sp)
you where looking at a 4 axis dsp card a while back do you still have there web site
that card jmkasunich pointed out looked good
forgot to answer your email!!
I wonder if anyone has ever tried using a sound card to do servo / motion control stuff
some PCI card ... MT51 or some such
hmm - 5 channel sound card - 5 axis :)
no it was not motec lite
apparently supported by emc2
half the price of a motenc
the only other I messed with is the dynomotion card
its just a big FPGA on a PCI slot,
loads itself during system boot
[21:33:05] <anonimasu> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585&q=thermite
now we're talking
is that the same as the messa
roltek: did you read the query ?
do you have web site for dynomotion card
roltek: read it please
[21:36:25] <les_w> http://www.dynomotion.com/
We have been talking to this guy about just making the thing a turnkey machine control
but my engineering activities have given me little time to work on that stuff
oh, btw.. I just learned today how to switch from Kubuntu to Ubuntu
anyone wants to know the big secret?
i recall the conversation you where looking to make a control for a project of yours
well thats the redhat way of doing it
fenn: apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
right....basically marketing machine tools
fenn: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
I have had to kinda jump out of that, but a friend is still quite involved
Oh, I meant to ask... do I *HAVE* to use ubuntu? or is debian good enough?
fenn: looking for a cool window manager ?
giacus: absolutely not
i'm quite happy with how icewm leaves me the fuck alone
hehe I know :)
A $!000 machine control with 8 axes and 90 microsecond servo updates would sell, I know that.
fenn: but you havent tried ION yet ..
the 8 axes is a bit hard, but 6-axes it's already there..
les_w: it can probably go faster than 90 microseconds
so I'm told...
Pity I have not the time yet
to try it
I ran steppers at way faster
well the motenc can do prob 10k updates
8k has been done 3 axis
les_w: gee sounds exactly like what i'm building right now
no, using parport and some microcontrollers
dunno what data rate i can realistically get out of the parport
i've seen 2.4Mbit quoted somewhere
fenn: any difference os speed between ISA and PCi ?
i havent tested yet
i'm sure there is though
less that's a pretty high price for the dynomtion card don't you think
fenn: on my PCI parport I haven't seen any
alex_joni: does it have "normal" parport addresses or funky ones?
somehow funky 0xh**
but it still uses some ISA layer somewhere in the process
I think after the PCI decode inside the chip it addresses a standard parport vhdl fpga block
sorry was away a sec
roltek the price for the card would be fine...IF it was a turnkey machine control
les what kind of quote did they give you on the dynomotion card
sware for what Les
well heh I got one for free.....
i like ATI
they have listed $899.00
He is using the EMC interpreter, but he needs a good trajectory planner and task controller etc to turn it into a machine control
rather than a general purpose motion card
bon soir dmessier
dmessier: ca va?
bon soir tous... ca va bien .. et vous??
K4ts: seems sad or angry this evening ..
what happen ? :(
comment sa?? K
les_w: she's very tired
was he going to make the control or where you going to
We are trying to talk him into it
hey les .. THIS is what you want ..
I might even offer some financial support to do so
no, not want ...
[21:57:04] <robin_sz> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8515585555928652376&q=f16
than you where going to buy the whole control from him
i showed emc2 to the new maintenance manager when our 3rd party non-fanuc mem module for the 11m went south...
he WAS impressed.... he used to had a company that retofit machines..
dmessier: roltek robin_sz dmessier, if you have any userpic for the stats page let me know
have to go talk to you later
K4ts: you should be happy.. going in milan tomorrow :D
buy a gift for me hehe :P
not another penguin !
35489 are enough :(
i want a real penguin...
with some orange sauce
hard to find ..
my wife says if i can afford it i can have one...( so mom agrees on the cool factor)
dmessier King Penguin migrates over a 300 miles
there's some there yet ?
naw.. we killed all the native ones off...
robin: too cool.
ineed to import one...
your'e bugging me cause I can afford an airplane now (not f-16)
we ate all the one in the arctic.. or the polar bears got em
les_w, notice in some of the later shots, how at low level theyl actuall pull beyond 90 degrees ...
les_w, better to invert and pull positive G to lose height than push negative
I have f-16 in FS 9...seems like that
but at 200 feet, thats very low
I have only pulled negative a couple times
how SLOW can you go??
now, do they sell F16s on ebay yet?
your stuff sticks to the ceiling
one of my favourite tricks is to push hard with a pencil onthe dashboard ... try and catch it in your teeth :)
a nice docile archer for me.
If I get in the mood to throw away the money i'm making
no no ...
its not theown away
we were gonna start selling coffe table made frome some of our scrap components... we asked for permission from Boeing.. the said.. i dont care where it goes... but that ALOT more paperwork for me.. so its NOT GONNA HAPPEN
I have done the zero g m&ms thing a few times
well, if we keep going with this work, I'll be getting one too :)
safe enough except for the pullout
lots of work from Mazak at the moment
its ALL about the spectacular saves friends
Yeah flew a cherokee a good bit in chicago a couple months ago
miss low wing
is underslung really SO much different??
aw it just has more ground effect. Easier to land.
handles crosswinds a bit better
20 kts is ok in a cherokee, but a real chore in a 172.
course the 172 lands slower and has no oleostruts
i'd figured the landing...but i guess the whole Fuse act as a rudder more so
you are not supposed to do full flap slips in many 172 models
can you handle ppoint
they get some roll/yaw little nasties
yeah have ppt
and I don't care about spam haha
les_w: tonight you are happy because no work?
i wont send it
I am stressed out, anna
K4ts: tonight is here.. :)
giacus lo so
che ci sono ore di fuso orario
les also me
stressed tomorrow go vacances
no, dmessier, I mean I don't mind giving my email on an irc channel.....the more access the better if you are a company
Anna I am REALLY stressed
hmm i'll send you something from work....
check out THAT bird
I do love to fly
i want one when i grow up... and MOMMY says i can have one when i can afford 1
chk mail les
not there yet
you get any from me
[22:16:35] <giacus> http://www.angelodarrigo.com/
sorry my bad...
the condor man :(
angelo flew things that would scare me
he flyed for miles with condors ..
I have flown hang gliders...even built one. Dmessier flys hang gliders a lot.
he's one of ME
I prefer parapente
para too... ; )
you should see my wifes wing ...
9,000 metres on the everest !
we to launch... ( no hills )
shes only 55kg ...
I prefer not dying....which is almost what I did when I spun my rogallo
i build the BEST hg/pg winches on the planet
hydrostatic tension controled...
I don't have so much coragious to fly :(
a friend built one of those ....
but I'd live it too
from an old Daf variomatic engine
Actually I am afraid of heights jacky
not hydraulic ENUF.... i can PUSH string at 60 KM
I get quite scared up a tall ladder
or 60 Miles an hour
we have hills here ...
chk out www.uflyontario.com
can't see the ground as much in low wings...guess that's another reason I like em
i ditched 2 glider OVER cessna's last weekend...
we step tow...
of course, I have never seen a low wing bird.
pull up... climb.. turn-downwind and pull out the rope again... turn-into the wind... tow higher... repeat
this is wonderful http://www.angelodarrigo.com/video_everest.htm
Is quickstep in emc2, or is that strictly in the BDI-emc branch?
I really feel like HE is my lost twin brother... thank you... i had a Perigrin falcon as a kid... and my mom would see a resemblance...
amazing film jacky
thank you Giacus
Man, veneered plywood is some tough stuff!
I've just compiled emc2 release with axis 1.2.1, and I'm looking at configuring stuff
I can hear the bit yell "Help meeeeeeeeeee" every so often
air blow... closer...
more air.. VOLUME.. bigger hole...
clear the chip 1st...
off to dinner...and perhaps find a tape of the original "the fly"
help meeeee no no arghhhhh
why didn't they kill the spider?
he was on the wire
it was the predacessor to the brown acid
les_w: help you?
Poor spiderman , nobody likes him. He/She was attacked 2 times. D
K4ts: I suggest you go to relax a bit ..
really .. you're tired and you've to travel tomorrow :)
you drink with me?
I'm worried for you
stop drink now ..
really, relax :)
don't think at bad things :D
les_w: to have dinner
[looks around] This *is* #emc, right?
asdfqwega: you're right ! it is
it is emc
K4ts: is the expert for Aeronautic, spacial
asdfqwega: kidding ..
kidding ? me?
no.. :( kidding.. stiamo scherzando ..
i morre drink... and i'll really be drunk... was a line of a friend of mine
good... i guess i have to get to know her weller.. BADEST engish... on ourpose
me too ; (
but she's a KEEPER... ; )
i like a fight
makes for some makin' up situations
dmessier: vuos parlez pas en francais?
pour toi oui... ; )
oh vuos etes tres gentil
G m'aime pu
dmessier mon oncle habite a grenoble
* giacus apt-get install french-dictionary
moi je "fait du ski"... est c'ill m'adopte??
adeilante hermano :P
ho.. missed dictionary .. wait
les montainges.. sont des seurre perdu
mon oncle il ya 87 ans
donne si 1 bec de MOI
ma grand-mama a 88 et je l'aime come un diamant
je suis alle a paris c est pas jolie pour moi
c est trop caotique
comment naples o encore de plus
i'll mont dit a paris ... c'est pas les plus bon fracais... moi je suis canadaiens
oui .. j'te croi
c'et site m'excite... encore merci... dit lui
I understand 'ok'
dmessier: try this http://www.angelodarrigo.com/video_tf1.htm
sine you're able to understand it :)
go to bed ?
you are great!
1,70 mt :D
K4ts: I go to bed
sorry for flooding channel ;)
eh K4ts ?
1:13 here :/
how much parapente air you have??
two canisters full
i tried that,, fired off 2 ballistic parachutes on the ground ... ; ) i do do my owntesting,..lol
there IS a solid CHUNK of ALUminum in there 30mm dia x 75 mm long... IT WILL TRASH a wing if pointed the wrong way
the firing mech and charge is a 12 guage primer and powder,,, firing a SLUG...
on a pull cord.... but then again.. the WERE desighned for a cessna..
i appreciate good video alot more when i dont get HURT in it...
HAROL & Kumar go to white caste was fun till the LAST landing... ; (
during the SARS epidemic...
me and a friend flew the HG
for filming... and i have a Scar....
cus i wouldnt go to the hospital... ; )
way cooler like this..
SAR's is an upper respritory desease the killed folk's here in 2 wks
i needed 3-5 stitches.... i did it MSELF...
the hospitals were where the sick folk were..
come in the house at 11:00 pm.. told the wife to look away... i got busted up....
she thought i was to and back from emerg already... WRONGO...
* anonimasu did something like that once
i drove 75 miles home to get finished up... --- taped her up.. i have a bird lookin scar over my eye noy..
bet it gives you an one-eye-pirate look :))
its my H & K scar.. or so my daughter calls it
only 1 " long... 1/2 " wings... LOL
we ran in on final in a 5 km downwind.... and glided... and glided..... and adjusted... and glided.... and finally... i had to flare... we were in 1 M tall grass
we're ok... but we need aluminum