cradek: disbaling serial port, secondary IDE controller got me 18000
btw building firefox srpm took 42 minutes wall, 32+6 minutes user+kernel on fc4/amd64/1.8GHz (since gentoo and building firefox was mentioned earlier)
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
jepler: desktop machien, not the laptop.
did it screw up before disabling those?
fenn: Chris had me run the RTAI tests for system latency. On a desktop box it was 21000nS, then dropped to 18000nS after disabling those
where are the up-to-date versions of the User_manual.pdf and such? I want to link to them from Documentation on linuxcnc.org
do i have to manually upload them to www.linuxcnc.org every time there is a change in cvs?
(and convert from lyx to pdf of course)
I think SWP_Away adn jepler are working on the docs. SWP_Away is working on some gcode portion of the docs iirc, other than that no clue.
It looks like http://www.linuxcnc.org/Hal_Introduction.pdf
did you just happen to know that url or is it linked from somewhere?
Went to the website, then clicked on DOCUMENTATION
oops yeah that one's already linked n/m
2004 --> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_Code_Notes.pdf
but I dont' even see the main docs up there
right that's what i'm trying to fix
stupid google.. cant turn off their word/synonym substitution
Gawd I *DISPIS* wiki's
No, wiki --> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/
what about it?
at least its not lavender :)
Bunch of damn electronic post-it notes
better than no info
* fenn gets the whip
I'm honestly not sure about that.
no, really i've found a lot of good info in wiki's that wouldnt be anywhere otherwise
Yeah, I see that you've added/edit a bunch of things up there.
but what I said still stands.
sometimes its hard to figure out where info is supposed to go, and its quicker to just throw it somewhere on a wiki and let someone else figure it out
a ls spaghetti code
like how would i have known to checkout the "documents" cvs module and edit the relevant .lyx file?
that's a big pain in the ass
Take this as example for a newbie http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Configuring_EMC2
Hell, ever for myself, I'm goin "wth?"
* fenn forgets to restate the obvious
It needs SOME level of structure.
* fenn brandishes the whip menacingly
* Jymmm tosses the whip and fenn into the deep fryer
* fenn develops a crispy golden-brown outer layer
* Jymmm crankcs the deep fryer up to the CARBON setting
* fenn crystallizes into pure diamond
No ego in your family, you have it all =)
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the content you've been creating, just wiki's in general
and the content is scattered in too many places too.
its hard to write good documentation
I wish the product I used to work on was PD, it would be perfect for this.
especially if you arent completely sure about most of what your'e writing and have to look everything up
Oh I understand, I've written enough white papers myself.
oh.. well emc2 aint public domain
public domain doesnt really mean squat actually
I'm not talking emc, I'm talking collaberation software
It was an awesome product, allowed editors, proofers, reviewers, etc
whats that called
If somethign was waiting approval from a reviewer and the reviewer waited too long, their boss was notified .
Oh, it's long gone. poor management
doesnt sound like its very tailored to the open source environment :)
it coudl notify ppl every 15 minutes via pager/cellphone too
fuck open source community...
ok go buy a $6000 motion control package then
I hear that term far too often "OS Community", so it's a sore spot.
i didnt say that
It wasn't Open Source, I wish it was sometimes.
it was $10,000 + license seat
* fenn shrugs
It was also used at NASA and JPL too
i think "grep" must be worth at least a cool million then
maybe a billion
hmm theres no hal page on the wiki at all
Now, THIS looks promising http://www.silk-project.org/index.html
FAR better than a wiki by a LONG shot!!!
so its like logging software for various modes of communication?
wheres ther @#%%! sscreenshot!
they have a live demo
icant believen theres no hal page
ug my hands are freezing
Jymmm is now known as Jymmmmm
G'Night fenn, I'm outta here. alex_joni should be here soon
how do you set HAL up to make a copy of an inverse copy of an output pin on a second output pin (this should prefferably be something that can be done automatically when starting a certain profile in EMC, as my conversion lathe in progress board needs stepgen steptype 2, where two fields are the motor windings and another two are inverse copies)
if you dont need both the pin and its inverse you can set the parport parameter parport.0.pin(whatever)-not to 1
for example: halcmd setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert 1
you can add the setp... to your .hal file
in the first line do you mean do or dont`?
i dont understand what you're trying to do
you are driving a bipolar motor right?
isnt there already a stepping type for what you want it to do?
I'm not sure of the motortype, all I know is that the driver wants steptype two, with the added function of having two more pins/motor, where those pins have the inverted signal of the first
now that I look at it steptype 8 seems to be what I want
updating glibc with rpm is a bad idea right?
fenn: why ?
I always update glibc by deb packages
never found issues
last time i did this i totally destroyed my system beyond all repair
hevea wants glibc2.4 but i have glibc2.3x but they both use libc.so.6 so i dont see why it matters
maybe a simbolic link for the .so could solve
in some case it worked for me
no its not the library thats causing the problem
it wants glibc2.4
fenn: apt-get update & install glibc2.4 :)
where's the chat access from linuxcnc ?
03flo-h 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/configure: merded lang path fix
nfw i'm not gonna touch glibc with a ten foot poop-spatula
giacus: on the Contact Us page
[11:09:47] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_mospjirc&Itemid=8&lang=en
bleh.. this wiki is still so out of order
_the_ wiki :)
how do you mean that?
a friend of mine is developing a firefox estension to chat online:http://www.hyperstruct.net/
there wasnt even a page on HAL
[11:11:37] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Sample_HAL_And_ClassicLadder
giacus: there are loads of that
yeah thats not really about hal though
90% of it is how to use clasicladder
i started a page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?HAL
ready for the lunch ..
what's a good win32 CVS client?
[11:20:01] <alex_joni> http://www.tortoisecvs.org/
A-L-P-H-A: no biggie
hmm.. did you guys ever see/try kicad ?
[11:23:15] <alex_joni> http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/
do I really need to reboot to use tortoise?
i've used kicad and its pretty good for single sided boards
a heck of a lot easier to use/learn than gEDA
fenn: nice to know
not a lot of part libraries but there is a script that supposedly converts eagle libraries
all I want is the newest build from the CVS, and I've gotta jump through 10hoops to do this.
A-L-P-H-A: how so?
just get the .tgz
A-L-P-H-A: if you need emc2 tgz, go to cvs.linuxcnc.org
and you'll see a download this dir in a tar.gz
but it would be best to take the latest TESTING
[11:27:01] <alex_joni> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/emc2.tar.gz?only_with_tag=TESTING;tarball=1
download this dir in a tarball
I want this. http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/dompdf/dompdf/?sortby=date
oh, no way of doing that on sourceforge.. sorry
tortoise, new checkout
that's why we moved away
there are sourceforge tarballs of the entire project tree somewhere
2 months later the CVS still doesn't work properly
aj, could you do me a fav, get the whole CVS of that project, and pass it over?
cause tortoise doesn't have a 'new project' or anything
I don't know what's going on with that.
nm... I think I should reboot to finish the install
well enough emc documentation for today i gotta get some work done
[checkout aborted]: Error reading from server cvs.sourceforge.net: 0: No such file or directory
A-L-P-H-A: sorry mate, SF cvs doesn't work :(
that really reminds me why we went away
you're fuck'n kidding me.
well, I _JUST_ tried loging in with tortoise.
anonymous, and blank password don't work!
FUCK YOU SF!
I'm not happy.
A-L-P-H-A: unfortunately I'm not kidding..
Project CVS Service: Partial Outage In-Progress Last updated: 2006-03-30 Pacific
could someone explain to me why people use them?
I mean, other than they have nice mirrors.
usually because people are lazy/hard to move
and there are very few alternatives
free ones I mean
glad my hosting provider has SVN.
there is Savannah, but not very good either (seems like a 2-man job)
[which I don't use either]
[11:39:06] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1
common. it's been over a month!
it's been almost 2 months
Read the 'recent updates'
some of them are hilarious
This is a best guess, and may not get hit due to the aggressive timeline we have placed on this project.
don't they have like a ton of VC funding?!?!
We are currently estimating a deployment for the end of next week (May 12th).
read the one from 2006-03-31
that was on a friday... 'We currently expect this outage to last 48 hours, at minimum'
to SF the :P is for.
damn, I'm talking like yoda... i need sleep
and that means, they don't work weekends, which was the message that really got us mad
I've been making this all night. http://18.104.22.168/invoice/
it's a dynamically generated PDF form.
so where did EMC move to?
our own server
hosted at jepler's
did you check out the invoice thing? I think it's pretty nifty.
yup, but the total doesn't add up :)
I'm trying ot make the damn thing WORK... hence I wanted the newest files from the CVS.
guessed so.. it's nice though
A-L-P-H-A: download them from viewcvs
but that's a real PITA
there's like a hundred files!
* alex_joni goes away to watch a movie
A-L-P-H-A: that's SF :(
stupid stupid SF.
* giacus is back
SF = sound follower ?
* giacus disagree SF is stupid ..
that's the only good thing around the web !
i agree with alpha
there are a lot of good projects on sourceforge but the actual service is crap
nothing is perfect :(
I lost the Al Cooper concert in 2 may ..
damn it. first concert in italy :/
and he's very old ..
I was in naples
this evening there' another ..
Banco del mutuo soccorso
[12:21:53] <giacus> http://www.bancodelmutuosoccorso.it/
they seems crazy peoples O_O
we'll see ..
the sound should be nice
du you like jazz ?
first time I heard jazz I thinked only they can understand what they play :(
but when I eard Pat Metheny group playng from live I changed idea ..
they're Hackers of sound :P
* fenn pukes
fenn: what you eat ?
don't tell me pop music !
pat metheny sucks though
even heard of better ?
* fenn clears his throat and switches the mp3 from cowboy bebop to techno
I play a bit of guitar
I think jazz is the more difficult gener to play
as well, I like guitars player as malmeesten, van halen, steve vai, joe satriani
that are rock guitars
jazz is another world ..
I loved Pat Coil
Try to listen Patitucci playng the bass ..
he's a monster
there are no peoples around the world able to play the bass like him
[12:37:14] <giacus> http://www.johnpatitucci.com/
next job I'll do will be to machine my loudspeakers box
I already have any components here since years, but I didnt build them yet !
* giacus ghghg
5 way loudspeakers
and homebuilt mosfet power amplifier ;P
Born in 1959 in Brooklyn, New York, John Patitucci began playing the electric bass at age ten. John began composing and performing at age 12. At age 15, he began to play the acoustic bass and at age 16 began the piano. He quickly moved from playing soul and rock to blues, jazz and classical music. His eclectic tastes caused him to explore all types of music as a player and a composer. John studied classical bass at San Francisco State
University and Long Beach State University. In 1980, he continued his career in Los Angeles as a studio musician and a jazz artist.
* giacus slaps giacus with a large grp cd :P
du-du du- duuududududu dudu du
fantastic bass player
heard the second section on the website
a subwoofer at 18 hz is suggested :)
fenn: Born in 1959 in Brooklyn, New York, John Patitucci began playing the electric bass at age ten. John began composing and performing at age 12. At age 15, he began to play the acoustic bass and at age 16 began the piano. He quickly moved from playing soul and rock to blues, jazz and classical music. His eclectic tastes caused him to explore all types of music as a player and a composer. John studied classical bass at San Francisco
State University and Long Beach State University. In 1980, he continued his career in Los Angeles as a studio musician and a jazz artist.
wait on the homepage and listen the percussion part ..
and let me know if you like it
turn always the sub on ..
about 5-10 minuts
is it another world ?
the land of HI-FI :D
who is familar with EMC?
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
mare4you, emc1, emc2, or the BDI?
ok, then I can probably help
Hey what's happening today?
Snowed here yesterday. Coming your way.
I thikn we're going to go out and do some green-up stuff on the way to breakfast
so that's why it went down 20 degrees since yesterday
Yep still below freezing here.
the predictions are for ~60 degrees or higher for the next few days. we'll see what happens
That should be a good forcast.
we'll see what history has to say about it on Wednesday or so ;)
We had a -54 once here so I think it fairly safe.
truck complained a bit then just died.
mare4you, what's your question?
hi mr rayh :)
rayh: I changed some option in the ML
what you usually prefer MIME or Plain text ?
03flo-h 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/scripts/Set_Coordinates.tcl: added internationalization
mare4you: still there ?
do you play a bass ?
y ia still here
I'm not familiar with emc but I could help you to play a bass :P
what's the problem ?
i dont have problems,just questions :)
that's a good thing ;)
does EMC suport joystick?
to play a game ?
yes, in a way
there's a driver for joysticks, that exports HAL pins
you can connect those pins to various things in HAL
as well, emc is a virtual breadboard
but there aren't necessarily things to connect to for everything (like jogging, feedrate override, etc.)
some things have connections, other things don't
how can i do that?
mare4you: du you want to manually control a cnc ?
giacus, 2-axis jogging, for instance
well, that's wher eI can't help you :) I don't have my emc machine on, so I can't tell you where to connect things in HAL
03flo-h 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/scripts/Set_Coordinates.tcl: merge added internationalization
I'm also not sure of exactly which things can be controlled by "user input"
mare4you: where you from ?
now i have to use mouse to move x and y axis stepper motor
are you able to read italian ?
[14:07:42] <giacus> http://www.jofi.it/fiser/page49.html
but i would like to use joystick
take a look at that
how are you using the mouse? (just by clicking on the jog buttons?)
+ and -
ok. I think the cursor keys jog in X+Y, and the pg-up and pg-dn keys in Z
you can also select an axis, then hit + or -, I think (rayh??)
(on the keyboard)
mare4you: I can send you the program written in C about 2k lines ..
for the pic
just have to ask to fiser
i dont know.If i will have joystick i will think that i play a game :)
I'm a doom fan
i will more enjoj
that's why I asked
I can see it now emc-doom. Give that robot a gun!
do you play any instrument ?
no,i dont play
ok. time to run - soo you guys later
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
mare4you: yes, you can
arent you sure ?
maybe.. you could
* giacus begin to be not so sure mare4you can ..
mare4you: you around ?
is your wife hitting you ? O_O
dmessier: bon souar
adeilante hermano :)
welcome to the internazionale team di emc :D
dmessier: any progress ?
no eh ?
not me... im still lookin for decent hardware
not buy ati !!
i'd like a twin pallet horizontal
i like ati.. whats up??
just do not buy it
but don't buy it
i have an ati in this box..
burn it now!
all in wonder... works like a charm
tv in ...dvd...
canadian are nice, but ati not
* giacus give a tank of fuel to dmessier
you've obviously hag a bad experience..
yes, work very bad
lot of bugs
for what application??
all I tried
I think is the trademark bad ..
it must be the mo-bo combination...
btw, do not buy ati
listen my suggest
not going to convince me that fast... ive been using them for more than 15 yrs
oh .. that's really bad
15 years ?
i still hav 1 Meg ati card in a linux box
you're not happy
i smile at will..
i use the open GL in Catia.. and its fine
shade with a mercury mat'l and it looks awesome.....
is it true that microstepping stepper motors have a sine shaped signal to the stepper motor windings?
but you don't know how to drive a cnc manually using a joystick ..
i do so...
dmessier: bad :/
how does the power signal look like then
i believe those signals would be square steps
so the signal would look the same for full stepping drivers as microstepping ones
i believe so.. just more steps with the micro
[14:56:11] <giacus> http://www.vincenzov.net/tutorial/passopasso/stepper.htm
look at the table
[14:57:41] <giacus> http://www.vincenzov.net/tutorial/passopasso/stepper.htm#Half-step%20con%20controllo%20di%20coppia
Bo-Dick: the voltage to the motor is PWM (square, sort of) but the current _is_ sine/cosine
current is what matters with motors
hello John !
almost ready for a nice concert here :P
are U new to emc ?
i like ati
* giacus hate ati ..
how we can find a point of meet ??
the middle of the atlantic... and we wrestle over it
sorry .. I've no gps :/
can I map you ?
map me??? how??
dunno .. asking ..
no i have no tel sat link on my old piece of hardware... some new ones do.. web page.. updates every minute or so
not the best hardware for un-official work though
my old ps a crap lets me slip inside borders without detection
btw, do not buy ati HW and you'll be happy. That's all.
ati ROCKS... ; )))
* giacus doubts
shall i post the ATI suites softwre for ya Giacus
sorry.. I deleted any ati software here around ..
its a multi media center
windows madia center ?
i plugged in the vcr last week... i can pause and replay from the pc... the tape never stops rolling forward
using what ?
ATI multimedia center
that's normal then
as well, I've a list of about 1.5 bugs about it
if you want
I can zip it and amil you
a tarball maybe is better
i have had a few pukes... but only when there were a gazillion apps running
and it NEVER upset sindoz
* giacus nods
im running this one on a 2.8Ghtz HT cpu... with SATA HD... its a pretty fast box all in all
I'm running a p800 celeron 128 mb ram 32 mb video :(°
but I'm happy :P
ouch.. you dont want to try to run Catia on that
never seen Catia here around
I ran anna :)
she's bad ..
Catia from Daussault co in france
what's Catia ?
that dont sound so good
its a cad cam suite...
depend on point of view
oh .. cad cam niceee
and its free ??
I know a lot of cam not fre ..
what's the advantage ?
it does it ALL
design... analysis... mfg
annimation... fly thru
it will end soon ..
because we're planning to develop a real cad/cam free
giacus and some other ..
Cadance is avail.. open source... used to be HELIX... good sware... start there pls?
it was a unix system sware .. they piped.. and it fell thu on the 'doze pform
there are a bit of open source projects around ..
I think its not so difficult do develop an open source system about that
this is at least 5-7 yrs in the works now.. i lost touch about 4 yrs ago
there's some other reason around ..
business maybe :D
Daussault... MAKES airplanes.. LOTSA $$$
it was designed and built for them and their suppliers..
they also market solidworks as a scaled down version of Catia
could be interesting
make it so... batman
going ar the bar for a good coffe ;P
be well.. smile.. its contagious
simles are nice
how much cost a smile ??
I know of Open Cascade that used to be Euclid (iirc)
jmkasunich: has cradek spoken to you about getting a lathe encode to work with EMC if the encoder only has one "fork" (not a quadrature encoder)
jmkasunich: the output would just use one pin for the encoder and one pin for the index
he wrote a new HAL component to do that yesterday
jmkasunich is now known as jmk_away
jmk_away: how would I get that component, is it on the CVS?
jmk_away: is there any documentation about it (how to set it up in the config and so on=
is that something thats going to take time or only a few weeks (or is it impossible to tell)?
setting up the config is almost trivial, its the same as the existing threading config you just substitute "counter" for "encoder" and tweak a few pins
I'll have to bug either you or cradek sometime in the future (when I finish my conversion)
Euclid used to be Helix.. WAY back when
As i recall it was called open cascade...
now that you dig the grey matter up
i never had a competent enuf linux box at the time to run it
i was working from a Teach yourself linux in 24 hours version of fedora red hat...
im an idiot...; )
What is the lathe encode??
Lerneaen_Hydra_ is now known as Lerneaen_Hydra
miniMess: open cascade is still around, and it actually _is_ open source
its just ridiculously huge and nobody can make heads/tails of it
well, sorta open source.. you cant modify/redistribute it without permission
that violates one of the important freedoms
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (axis.lyx Master_User.lyx): new documentation on axis
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/images/ (6 files): new images of axis
pdf version of the new documentation: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/axis.pdf
any comments on the content are welcome. Advice on how to make the images in the lyx-generated pdf look better is welcome too.
Do you have imagemagic installed?
I tend to produce png files
and let magic convert them.
these are png files
what do you convert them to?
jepler: the screenshots looked like heavily compressed jpg
jepler: not too pretty
Lerneaen_Hydra: yes, I agree, that's what they look like in the pdf.
Lyx or the pdflatex does that.
you can't have png in pdf?
I think the final product is eps or some such but I don't know anymore.
I *think* it's png -> eps -> pdf
it goes through several stages
something like that.
I've found a temporary .eps file and it looks just fine
so it was the eps to pdf or resizing that was the problem.
it appears to be the eps->pdf conversion that does it
They do tend to look better if the are close to the saved size.
what pdf converters have you tried?
all the ones in the lyx menu
I've got a download going on this box or I'd have a look at the output.
These are screenshots.
The one that alex put in the intro chapter looks good.
At least here.
could be he has something configured differently
It is configurable for sure.
Just printed and the axis display looks very good.
you printed the one alex made
the image file is about 21 k
it is png
The intro chapter is in documents/lyx/emc2
and is titled introduction.lyx
in my lyx configuration I added a rule to convert directly from png to eps with imagemajick 'convert'; now the results are better when I export a pdf
The image itself is in documents/images/axis.png
Jymmmmm has changed the topic to: "Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home: linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings Sundays 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
| EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
The eggs didn't make it =(
and the pdf file actually got smaller in the process
new pdf uploaded: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/axis.pdf
Is this going to be a chapter for the user handbook, Jeff?
Yes; there are chapters for the other GUIs so I thought it would be OK
I think it's great. Means I don't have to write it.
I'll have to dig in and get a page done for tkemc but at least I know that interface.
Well a 19Meg download is going to take most of the day. bbl.
Jymmmmm is now known as Jymmm
rayh you dont have two phone lines do you?
rayh: have you looked into celluar data service?
well I know why I was braking drills- the router runs about .007 out of round.
skunkworks PCB drillbits?
or there abouts.
how did you measure the outofrounds?
might just mount a dremel for a bit.
no - we where using some sort of router quick change cullet - works fine for wood working :)
yes I think so
Ok, good to know. I just sae those last week.
works nice for quick tool changes - but not for small stuff
I have 1/4 and 3/8 tooling, and those collets aren't interchangable =(
What I REALLY didn't care for is the disclaimer "Do not use for cutting depths greater than 1/8"
(maybe it was 1/4", dont recall)
which router do you have?
is it the $200 one?
didn't read the packages. we had picked up a bunch - they where on close out. some have collets and others have set screws.
crap - don't remember the brand - no it was an ebay purchase
you mean the quick-change stuff?
Yeah, one half goes in the router, the other half is where you install the tools
Just FYI... The $200 Sears Professional router kit is really Bosch.
It comes with 1/4" and 1/2" collets, but Sears doesn't offer the 3/8" collet. But Bosch does =)
I got lucky, there's a Bosch Service Center a few miles away and I picked up the last one they had in stock =)
$15 including tax
and $38 gave me a 2yr instant replacement warranty from sears
There goes ray's 18MB download
shouldnt matter with wget
I have used the sears replacement warranty quite a bit.
not a bad deal is it.
$8 for my shopvac
expecilly when they don't have an exact replacement - upgrade :)
8 dollar shopvac?
fenn $8 for a 2yr extended warranty
* giacus goes to the concert
giacus is now known as giacus_concert
Onr thing I realized yesterday is that I have a lot of heat buildup, gonna have to setup the other enclosure and use some canvas for the top to allow heat to escape but keep the dust contained.
skunkworks: Was it you that we were tlaking about compomotor drivers yesterday?
skunkworks any idea on pricing for 3A and the 6A ones?
jymmm: - I am in the other window
skunkworks ah you must not be indetified
nothing getting to you?
/cs identify <password>
I am not a memeber
oh, /join #xyz
i like ATI
I dont like ATI anymore
giacus_concert is now known as giacus
* robin_sz curses the weather
* Jymmm models his t-shirt, shorts and 53c shiny weather
I hate it when its like this ... it plays hell with production schedules
why, everyone fucking off now?
yeah. staff failing to turn up
take the hint and go have soem fun! You can fire them in the morning
time to hit em where it hurts ...
in the payslip
if they are genuinly ill, i normally pay them full rate
but when its coincidnetally the first sunny day for weeks and they "dont feel too well" ... thats taking hte pisss
gonna spend tomorow working on the bikes
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
motor or bicycle?
Jymmm is now known as jymm
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/axis.lyx: change display of some inline images. Add a missing word.
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/images/ (axis-homed.png axis-machineorigin.png): make images appear on white/transparent instead of on black