tired after work. nany one around?
guess everyone else is tired too!
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03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx:
various markup and typo fixes
add chapter for G-Code Best Practices
add chapter for Cutter Radius Compensation, no content yet
oh, and I figured out how to add "Bookmarks" and clickable cross-links to the pdfs generated by lyx!
a crop of checkins is coming..
you gotta share that info
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (4 files): add hyperrefs
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: add hyperrefs
a crop of chickens?
a chicken's crop
i'm about to have that...hen is broody
a coop of chickens
too much informatio there, Les
chicks soon...most will get eaten...free range
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: get rid of title, author, and TOC since this document is to be included in Master_User.lyx
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/introduction.lyx: Make large images be at most 80% the width of the page
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/installing.lyx: markup and spelling fixes
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/compiling.lyx: markup and spelling fixes
haha spellchecker http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/replacement.png
but BC is closer ;)
* jmkasunich likes old machines
sniffin' too much hoppes 9 I guess
that's a beer?
or magic markers?
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/introduction.lyx: spelling and formatting fixes
well that's about all I can stand to look at the documentation
the machine in question is a 60 year old 1911A1
I hope I didn't step on anybody's toes
not that I know of
any and all docs work is much appreiated
yeah those are the kind of "misteaks" I tried to fix
is there an overall setting for "figure attributes"?
like having the caption above vs. below the graphic
must be, but I don't recall where
ok. I just noticed in user_whatis that some figures have the caption above, and I remembered that HAL_intro had them below
when I was first working on hal_intro I figured out figures
but I've since forgotten most of that
then promptly forgot? ;)
not neccessarily promptly, its been 2 years
I usually forget things like that within a week or two ;)
or remember forever. too bad I can't seem to choose which happens
heh, figured out how to keep the cat from jumping in my lap
she doesn't like hoppes
ah - gun oil
finally got it. haven't messed with rifles at all since the National Guard
I shot some lead bullets my brother gave me (handloads)
its the first lead I've shot, everything else was FMJ
yeah, in the barrel
cleaning is kind of a zen thing tho
if you're doing it for fun, I guess so.
they don't promote the zen thing in the military
if you only have one, and only shoot/clean it once a month or so
a whole stack of dirty rifles would take the zen out of it real quick
right. then you can take your time and experience the job
or one that you have to disassemble / clean / reassemble in 6 minutes or so
with someone yelling at you the whole time
I can detail strip and reassemble in about that, but cleaning takes longer
I can't remember how fast we had to be able to fully strip and reassemble the M16
it was different if you had to pull apart the firing assembly as well
firing pin assembly
field strip vs detail strip probably
field strip a 1911A1 takes about 30 secs
that's just pulling out the bolt / firing pin and pulling the handguards or something, right?
slide, barrel, recoil spring, slide stop, bushing
detail strip pulls out the firing pin, extractor, and a bunch of little pieces from the receiver (trigger, etc)
ok. the detail strip on the m16 doesn't involve the trigger
but you do disassemble the firing pin assembly, which has 6 or 8 parts
if only I could remember the names of all those things ;)
(but it has been 15 years)
finicky little bits
cool image: http://world.guns.ru/assault/m16a3xray.jpg
[01:55:50] <jmkasunich> http://www.docsmachine.com/posters/
too damn funny
I have to get into better shape to go do the paintball thing again
his webcomic is pretty good to
imagine a grumpy, somewhat geeky (in a machinist way) polar bear running a paintball shop
powered by mountain dew
heh - BAWLS to the rescue!
it's an energy / caffeiene drink, like jolt or red bull
served at all the finest LAN parties
[02:00:05] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb005.html
[02:00:28] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb007.html
junkyard wars - now that's something I'd love to do
could you imagine an emc team?
[02:01:42] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/auto4th02.html
[02:02:46] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb025.html
[02:03:44] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb029.html
you can get anything on ebay
I've seen an F-18 and an aircraft carrier
its been a while since I looked thru the old ones...
not in the same auction though
[02:05:01] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb032.html
why not, they could go as a kit!
though the NSA was wondering why there was a fully equipped F18 on eBay
[02:06:07] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb037.html
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: swp's multi read works.
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no body parts =(
Well... you can rent space on body parts though.
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hmmm interesting.. the first ever semi-auto paintball gun has been stolen!
hi fenn , where ?
from its owner, glenn palmer
[10:47:41] <fenn> http://members.tripod.com/~Mr_Tail/hurr/camille.jpg
i think that gun is beautiful
this guy is nice http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html
well, the hardware is nice.. don't know about the guy :D
I meant I like the idea ;)
not the guy haha
I have a box like that ;)
it's black and looks evilö
but it's large..
I'd have bought a 2u chassis instead
could someone guide me how to make an NE555 in astable operation so it becomes adjustable with one pot and with a nominal frequency of around 30kHz?
I think google can
[11:45:33] <alex_joni> http://www.eleinmec.com/article.asp?3
also check the datasheet :)
the problem is that the frequency is dependent on two resistors and i wanna adjust the frequency with just one pot
this is the very problem
i can find tons of information on how to do it non-adjustable
Bo^Dick: are the resistors the same?
subsitute the pot for one of your resistors
or what use does the other resistor do?
the frequency is dependent on Ra+2*Rb
you can change the duty cycle by varying the ratio of the two resistors
hm, changing one would work then..
yeah, and i want to change the frequency without changing the duty cycle
this is where things becomes tricky
you could use two pots
and turn them at the same time
arent there multi pot's
with several outputs..
not free though..
or use 2 555's and a tandem poti
alex_joni: todays log is fine. Odd
side question - does the default install of ubuntu server install a gui?
If you want to add X after doing a server install, start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LowMemorySystems
A good way to install a lightweight (graphical) system is to do a server install (see the above section) and then install some minimal lightweight components.
Some examples are:
sudo apt-get install gdm x-window-system-core xterm icewm menu mozilla-firefox abiword synaptic
jepler: I really like xfce as a lightweight system
I prefer icewm
and it was the top instruuction on that page, so it must be a good one
(though I wouldn't install abiword and I odn't know what menu is)
Description: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications
Debian menu keeps transparently the menus in the different
window-managers in sync with the list of installed programs.
Debian menu relies on a list of menu entries provided by programs
and a list of menu-methods provided by window-managers and other
Menu provides system-level and user-level configuration and overrides
for both menu entries and menu-methods.
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oh. is that something we should be using for the emc2 launcher item?
darned good question
we can fiddle with kubuntu at Fest - I'll bring the hard drive with that install on it
I've had a hard time figuring out which docs are relevant to the version of KDE on kubuntu, and which are outdated
the KDE help gives some info, but it doesn't seem to work (for me)
and who knows what they'll change in the next month's release
actually, it may be better for me to change that install over to one of the dapper prerelease repos, so we can test ahead of release time
hmmm. actually, I'm about to wipe my gentoo install, so maybe that would be a better testbed than my laptop
I have a machine with hard drives that plug in, but it's huge
as do I, though I may bring it anyway
I had planned on taking it, but I got a laptop instead
you'll still install cradek's kernel, even though it won't match the dapper kernel version?
yes, I think so
afaik they've not decided which kernel to use in the real dapper release yet
or try building an RTkernel for dapper
what kernel are your packages on?
darn providers.. can they ever get it right?
seems silly to spend time on it before the real release
my home connection is down :(
cradek: dapper is due in June.. right?
I patched the 2.6.12 that came with ubuntu
June 1, I think
it should have been april, but they moved it iirc
I figured it would be safest to use their kernel
right. 6 weeks out
it seems to have worked well, because I could apply their security fix directly
so far, it looks like 2.6.15 will be it, though that's obviously up for debate
I bet the old packages will work fine, but I haven't tried it
well, I may try it today - we'll see what happens
when I boot to the console and run sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core - nothing installs.
SkunkWorks: does it error?
I get a full page of it searching - it doesn't even try the cdrom as far as I can tell. do I have to mount it some how.
"last line is "no installation canidate"
that worked. - how come I have no network right now? I had setup the ip address manually when It was installing. same way I do with the client install.
let me play
just waiting for that important teleconference
didn't see you lately
wrking 12 hrs 7 days on emergency project
meeting for results in 40 minutes!
les_w the air electric thing?
I took a chance and went for broke on a new device
les_w Did they change the criteria or the timeline?
yeah they needed something for the quarterly review
and gave me 11 days.
but I did get something...dramatic
a big fat check?
well $7200/week for this emergency stuff
need a long break after this though
I want to make $0/week for a couple weeks here
I have plowing and planting stuff to do
had 5 tons of composted cow manure delivered...
so I will be shoveling......
PROOF that les is full of shit!
what are you planting?
oh, it's good stuff. composted for 2 years
grass....and some garden vegetables
mostly the golf course
oh the golf course.
and neighbor's new lawn I am doing
put 6 tons of lime on it this week.
you just want to break the shiny new tractor in, dont ya!!!
had it done...
while I was slaving away
tractor has to go in soon for it's 50 hr....
all the break in fluids replaced
all 12 gallons of hydraulic fluid
it's some money....
I gotta buy a belt sander, think I'm gonna get a porter cable with the graphite option. Found a VERY nice article on them
[17:33:53] <Jymmm> http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/pages/h00050.asp
He used ALL the ones he mentioned on the job.
I need to smooth out some rough cut lumber (redwood fencing)
I just have an old crapsman
There's no date on that article, but I think Porter Cable read it, as they now have the graphite platen as an accessory.
very seldom use it
Yeah, but you have a planer/jointer, so really no need for you. I have no space for them
last tool I bought was a saber saw
I just run sign stuff through neighbor's 46" wide belt sander
That's a SERIOUS sander!
he uses it for doors
Ah, that makes perfect sense.
it's the cheapest way to go really
labors costs just go away..
and cleanest results too... uniform
gulp 20 min to quarterly meeting
Well, I'm stuck and a 3" x21" belt sander, then a palm sander after that
you do need one for things sometimes
It sorta sucks, becuase I wanted to leave some of the roughness, but whitewash the carving too.
but try a WBS too
wide belt sander
just buy time on one
like 4" ?
or like 44"?
most cabinet shops have one
Ah, well I have nothing that big for now.
yeah you need to do a lot of pieces when you turn it on
I probably couldn't feed the monster fast enough =)
I do a hundred or so blanks at a time
but after carving only random orbit sander
is an orbital ~= palm sander in respect to results?
is an orbital sorta equal to a palm sander in respect to results?
I use a little 5" makita
velcro pad for the paper
most palm sanders are random orbit
but many big ones are too
Oh, ok. I have this palm sander, didn't know if I should consider a nother one (getting link)....
[17:50:27] <Jymmm> http://www.makita.co.nz/_images/products-large/BO4553-L.jpg
When I hear rotary, I think this --> http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/de/dewalt-dw423.jpg
les_w: 10 minutes and counting
err I mean orbital
I use one like this
[17:52:25] <les_w> http://www.makita.co.nz/products/detail.lsd?item=BO5010
yeah alex 10 minutes
big big money involved
the research bucks are doled out at these
les_w: Since you'll be leaving abruptly... Good Luck!!!
thanks. I think It will go ok. I will unveil something dramatic.
* Jymmm hands les_w his top hat and magic wand
need tap dancing shoes too
les_w PS the magic wand has flowers too =)
and turns into a walking stick
I want more research funding, and also want to manufacture.
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/images/emc2-intro.png: emc2 intro picture
Then I have an excuse to buy an airplane for the 80 mile commute
I hope the corporation isn't getting jittery about the economy
les_w: you need an airplane to test the air-thingy ;)
a simple fan won't work
need to strap it under an airplane and fligh it high :D
test it in all kinds of conditions ;)
sounds like a lot of pun
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: new intro image
sudo ifup eth0 worked :)
network must not be automatically turned on on the server install - go figure :)
it was funny - I could ping the ubuntu server through out the install but after the thing rebooted to finish up the install it disapeared
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/m5i20/m5i20_motion.hal: comment out encoder index
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: tiny fix
Yo Ray! What da haps!
How you doing Jymmm?
rayh: Not too shabby, working on a new design; has a vicorian accent to it, just fighting fonts now =)
design for what?
Playing with some redwood, not too sure how the final results will turn out, as redwood is a softwood.
lots of intricate details... may not hold up
rayh: what you up to on that side of the world?
Life is good, the sun is out and the lake ice is gone.
Walleye fishing starts soon.
Heh... I'm working on an idea for a "Gone Fishing" sign... I have this weather aged timber here that I can carve on both sides easily =)
Sounds good to me.
Yeah, I wish I could paint sometimes, saw a nice carving going for $700
like painting a trout or bass
alex_joni I'll wait till Les gets his painting robot working.
Matt and I worked on the design for a cake frosting robot.
you could put a spraying head on your mill though..
rayh how did it work out?
Not just an inkjet but real 4 color mixing and squirting.
rayh: we sold some choclate sprayers once
Ran out of time and enthusiasm.
I always liked cleaning the nozzles
alex_joni: If you wnat to write the code for a CYMK painter, I'll try it
I'd volunteer to be the test target.
Jymmm: split the image in 4 channels, run each through jeplers image2gcode
and you're done
4 passes on the part
alex_joni Ok, so we use an airbrush, but what about distance from target?
or even four airbrushes.
you replace only the colour, same airbrush
icky... too many color changes
to keep it somehow sanely simple
or replace the airbrush, same position
I'd rather go with CYMK
CMYK, yes (that's why I said 4)
I was thinking four airbrushes mounted close together
maybe 45 degrees apart
if that makes sense
they are tiny lil things.
yes and no, you'll have problems with the directions you are spraying
We were thinking hexapod so we'd get rpw as well.
rotations of the head
roll pitch and yaw
that way we could build up flowery s&*t.
out of frosting.
Ok, so is this really doable?
we'd mix colors like they mix epoxy in a little spiraly plastic nozzle.
solenoid on the airbrushes
Jymmm: anything is doable
depends on the results you're after
I'm not looking for finger painting
but I'm not trying to reproduce the Mona Lisa either.
no, thats my job
then probably yes
* ValarQ keeps painting
let me find a pic of what I had in mind....
Ok, like this --> http://archive.liveauctioneers.com/archive3/langsauction/9310/0269_1_lg.jpg
BTW... That sign went for $725
ok, bbiab... need to hit the pharmacy
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les_w: you seem to be still breathing.. that's a good sign
Yeah it went ok.
the money will still flow.
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (gcode_tool_compensation.lyx gcode.lyx): added tool compensation description
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: cleanup messages
les_w: too bad ;-)
that means you won't play with emc2 any time soon
I need too ....I need the enhanced cnc stuff for these things
oh, cool :)
only way is to schedule time
and tell someone no
I give these clients too much too fast
that's why you got so many
need time for improving the shop tooling etc
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: added 2 more includes
I need the enhanced cnc with a new control card....I need to build the new electronics lab, enlarge the metalworking shop, etc
sounds like plenty of fun :)
I know what you need
I'm just getting addicted to billing those guys....
I have one...not intrested in business
oh.. too bad
you need 3-4 that grow up there
off in a rock band somewhere
if it ain't aerosmith or greater.. not worth it :)
yeah I like the money...but need some time for non paying things like improving infrastructure
will pay in the long run of course
I need like an "emc month"
how many hours from illinois are you?
les_w: how about hosting a fest?
I was right by Roland a few weeks ago
but did not stop in
was awful busy on that trip
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: enabled menu for tree
03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: copy from head
03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: clean up
cradek: does axis need to change to call halshow instead of the old name?
03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/ (tkemc.tcl mini.tcl): add halshow to menu
is emccalib in the axis menu?
whats the easy way when using c-gode to create a popup, pause -> I have to click ok (or something) to continue interpreting g-code.
(MSG,your message here)
maybe followed my m1? m2? whichever is pause
MZ is what?
MZ must be a typo
sorry bout that..
MZ is usually the first 2 bytes inside an soze executable
guess you had no way of knowing that
if it's a joke I don't get it
jepler: nm it
nm: it: No such file or directory
I agree, the file is installed as /usr/share/doc/emc2/help/tkemc.txt
it's great to see the documentation getting worked on!
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (hal_intro.lyx hal_tutorial.lyx): added chapters from the HAL book
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/hexapod-sim/minitetra.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/demo_mazak/demo_mazak.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/demo_step_cl/demo_step_cl.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/etch-servo/etch.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/sim/ (axis.ini mini.ini tkemc.ini): fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/m5i20/m5i20.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/max/max.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/stepper/ (stepper_inch.ini stepper_mm.ini): fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/univstep/univstep.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/motenc/motenc.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/stg/stg.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/univpwm.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/stepper-xyza/inch.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/vti/vti.ini: fix tkemc's help path
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/hal_tutorial.lyx: small fix to find an image
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/User_GUI_Mini.lyx: some small fixes
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: some more bringing things together
holy cow... $65 for 10 antobiotics!
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: removed duplicate chapter
anyone cares for proofreading?
[21:49:59] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
Jymmm: very preliminary version, but it's slowly getting there
alex_joni I had asked yesterday the purpose/goal, but nobody got back to me.
purpose/goal of what?
the NIST docs being rewritten.
I thought jepler answered that
to have them in lyx, to be able to export to pdf & html
and to include in other docs we write
See, everything emc related changes so much, I dont' see any goals/plans, etc. So I have nfc whats goin on or what will be. It be nice to have a clue or two.
It's mostly a free for all.
you mean something specific or in general?
well, if you mean development .. we usually discuss these things
Sincs I dont' code, it's difficult to get involved when there's no set direction.
a "game plan" if you will.
I mean when someone starts on something bigger, he usually asks if it makes sense
Yeah, a free for all.
right, and you can't really have it much different.. beeing OSS
Just look at how much shit I got from everyone when I brought up the PASSED stuff. for two days too, and you were even indtigating as well.
I mean, people do this for fun, you can't really tell people what to do and what not to do
But you can give them direction.
if they ask for it, sure
I've been around emc for about 10 years
but the problem is .. who is 'you' ?
jepler: CIA & build
and at best the goals and directions are a cloud a ways ahead of us.
"you" could the the board.
There was a lot of discussion and several conclusions during last year's week long session at NIST.
isn't that it's purpose?
Jymmm: seems some disagree :)
but I don't want to go there
That set of conclusions and a bit of the discussion is documented in the wiki.
otoh, if there are people out there who ask about directions or what to help / do, they always get an answer
rayh whats the short and sweet version of it?
EMC2 that you have available right now.
but usually there are very few, and most of the newbies who sign up for something, vanish in magic dust
That is the direction we promised last year.
And for the most part we have accomplished it.
although we lost at least one developer along the way.
as alex said, we are all doing this on our time.
and if a direction does not fit with our interests we just don't do it.
It's a bit like making it available to aunt tillie.
Not many developers are interested.
Jymmm: these days there are few enough developers, so that most have their own area of interest/expertese(sp) and they rarely overlap
It doesn't have to be that way though. the board could get others involved, promote EMC devleopment. I can't imagine that there are only 100 ppl in the world that have a clue. the problem being no set direction as I see it. And this excuse of "we will work on what we want" is getting old (even if it is true).
I better stop, I'm getting a bit frustrated.
how about them Lakers???
Anyone instrested in a technical whitepaper on the Light transmission and reflectance of acrylic?
I'm interested in the triboelectric properties of arcrylic, is there one about that?
good night all
I want to make a van de graff generator, gotta pick materials for the rollers.
bill203: search for "electrical" http://cyro.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/cyro.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
lots of results turn up.
bill203: I have a hardcopy of the light thing, I never realized they had so many tech docs =)
[19:41:56] <les_w> hi PminMO
[19:44:23] <jepler> hi PMinMO
hi jeff and alpha. tough but ok day for me.
* jepler just paid his $100 for cnc workshop