03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: ignore commented hal linesemccalib.tcl
03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/ (hal_ax5214h.c hal_parport.c): changes to support passing string parameters containing spaces to modules on kernel 2.6 - only modules needing such params are changed
03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtapi.h: changes to support passing string parameters containing spaces to modules on kernel 2.6 - only modules needing such params are changed
03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: added as5124, revised sim-encoder, other minor changes
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx:
First pass at converting NIST RS274NGC document into lyx and removing the parts
that aren't relevant
somebody who knows lyx can berate me in the morning...
man, you suck at lyx
that'll be great
(hopefully, I can berate you now, because I know nothing about lyx ;) )
lynx, the text based browser?
lyx, the text-based layout tool
ok, found the website... it's a WP ?
conversions to html, pdf done by lyx: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/gcode.html http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/gcode.pdf
(the html translation in particular seems to stink .. is "havea" not the program I want lyx using?)
night. thanks for the start
jepler: Did you want me to find someone that uses lyx to berate you in the morning?
Jymmm: no, I know they're around
jepler: Okey dokey =) Have a g'night
"My, what huge margins you have grandma!"
err - the other way around
it's a complete hatchet job of the NIST document so what it really needs is someone to read it and tell me what I missed or what I made incoherent in the process of cut & pasting it.
jepler: it looks like a great start
the html has a decent TOC
jepler: What's the purpose and goal of the revamp?
so we can update it
That doesn't tell me a thing that you couldn't do with the NIST version.
seems like the source for that version is long gone
and I think ray said was edited in some commercial program
You mean the original WP format file(s) are no longer?
(whatever format that was)
jepler: did you take out the canon stuff? I don't find ARC_FEED for instance
this is just about gcode I guess?
ok so what's going to be done with this?
03swpadnos 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: Remove obsolete footnotes about module loading
ok, nm I asked.
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: modified bwidget Tree::see and added here
* Jymmm returns to belt sander search!
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: modified bwidget take 2
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: modified bwidget take 2
03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: emptied halconfig
now that's just silly
03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: remove halconfig menu
03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/mini.tcl: remove halconfig menu
those menu items would have caused errors
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03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: added remainder of ax5214 info, placeholders for m5i20, motenc, and ppmc
03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/Hal_Introduction.pdf: updated pdf
03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/docs/Hal_Introduction.pdf: updated pdf
does Eagle have simulation capabilities?
could someone suggest a hex buffer driver with an enable signal?
i guess such a device fits in a DIL16 package
i know about the 74HC14 device but it's a DIL14 device without the enable feature of course
Bo^Dick: ser du mitt privata meddelande?
cradek: Yes, it's just a document about gcode, not the canon interface.
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: copy page style from introduction.lyx
ah more sweden
03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: mostly markup fixes, but also fix one of the O-code samples
värst vad svenskar här är...
* fenn panics, and attempts to flee!
jaa, väldigt många
i've got a specific queation about Eagle. when using DIL16 logic gates packages with four gates in each... ...will the order they are used in the schematic follow the usage in the board layout
the reason why i wonder this is that the order i've used in the schematic might not be good for the layout in the end
Bo^Dick: whats your schematic looking like now?
it's not done yet but i have a schematics version of it, http://www.carmi.se/misterstarshine/img/design.gif
Bo^Dick: you can use "gateswap" in eagle to change them around
Bo^Dick: if you do the schematic and the board both in eagle, that is
I think you have to invoke "gateswap" in the schematic
if they're on two different packages I don't think you can use "gateswap"
sorry for asking a million question but one thing i really wanna know is what part is the complement to Microsim Schematics "bubble" in Eagle? i mean the part that interconnects wires "teleportation" style
just "name" the two wires the same
if you want you can "label" them (creates a text which has the same name as the wire)
but i want some connector in the schematic not just a "loose" wire if you know what i mean
this was done with "bubble" in Microsim
and in the "frames" library there are some shapes for putting around those labels
in fact i'm not intended to change any net names. i'm only intrested in a schematic bubble that does not exist in reality
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
...and it's still hard to find
is only seems to be there visually
SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
morning and afternoon...
hi Les. long time no see
aw, been working on emergency prototype...12 hr days
a bit stressed out
heh. the other kind of stress
billing $7200 weeks is ok though
I just lost a ~$850k project, so I have the other kind of stress
but I can't run at this speed much longer
need a break
gonna jump off a cliff swp?
nah - too much work to don on emc ;)
I needed a break for breakfast....just broke a tap arg
got it out though
need a tapmatic?
I asked for it...6-32 in 303l stainless
I guess you have to ask very nicely for that
New engineering rule for me...never design in a 6-32 tapped hole in anything
they are unusually breakage prone
one friend of mine absolutely hates 6-32
for exactly that reason
4-40 and 8-32 never break
right. he'll tap steel at 8-32 with a cordless drill, but 6-32 just die
I guess I should call and see if the new baby decided to jump out yet
his wife was due a couple of weeks ago
but no baby as of a few days ago
ok...back to work for me
sorry to hear bout the job loss SWPadnos
thanks. it's a real bummer
the digital camera - up in smoke
I guess. and you had a lot of time into that.
yep, and about $30k
at least that's equipment I can use for other jobs
ouch. that would do me in.
I'm lucky - I have high credit limits ;)
at least I have the tools to make that tach for you though ;)
Great. The guy was asking the other day.
first one: $30100, after that, $29 ;)
think that would fly?
oh right - I need to get the FPGA dev board for that on order
I think the first one will be a devkit, if that's OK
I think it'll fit in the chip on the $100 dev kit, but I'll have to see
[13:43:36] <SWPadnos> http://www.latticesemi.com/products/developmenthardware/cpldboards/machxostarterevaluationbo.cfm
the 18V * 6 output is still a problem though
though I may be able to do that with PWM and a resistor divider from a HV supply
Sounds like it should work. As long as the components on that part have enough headroom, the customer can supply the DC for that.
I'd probably use a buffer of some sort in the prototyping area
are you planning to make today's release earlier or later in the day?
I was thinking about doing it now
I was thinking of adding the canonical analog in/out interface to the Hal_intro document
I'm not in a hurry - were you wanting to do that now?
kind of now-ish ;)
it may be better to wait though. all or nothing is best
keep me posted
totally up to you
should I go ahead then? we can make another one tomorrow or whenever
I mostly just want to get dave-e his bugfix so he can test it
yeah, I'd do that
I like to think about things a lot, so it could take a while ;)
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: remove debugging statement that prevented scripts/emc from running
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: (log message trimmed)
bwidget has trouble dealing with "see" requests before the tree is fully laid
out. "wait_and_see" loops until the tree is viewable, and the "yview" command
returns two unequal indices. If not, it waits a variable length of time.
I tested this by selecting the top config, the last config that is
visible when the top line is visible, the next config, and the final config.
All were visible when preselected on the next run.
does it correctly scroll partially visible entries when they're selected?
no -- if you click on a partially-visible item at the bottom it doesn't scroll to show it all
I suspect there's a rounding issue in ::_see
or in the yview itself
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: default to previously-run config: copy of head v1.35
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: When an item is clicked, scroll so it is fully visible
SWPadnos: It looks like there wasn't any code to make it scroll on a left-click .. maybe this "half visible" situation wasn't anticipated or something
I had tried the simple idea of adding a see command to node_clicked, but that didn't work
hey - that's what you did
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: scroll so clicked items are fully visible (1.36 merge from head)
that last one works for me. thanks
I have a long pathname and it starts up scrolled to the right - I wonder if there's a way to make it scroll to the left instead
03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl:
fix a crash when the last_ini is not in the tree
after preselecting a config, always show the left-hand side of the tree
* jepler waits patiently for cradek to test & backport
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: always scroll to the left: from head v1.36
looks great jeff
There was a problem with unwanted scrolling to the left on jmk's install.
hm .. I thought it was unwanted scrolling to the right
depends which way you think is left - the scrollbar goes one way and the list goes the other
rayh: are you talking about the left side of the list (the tree lines) not showing?
that's what I had and is now fixed
what happened to my ability to write a sentence?
ah that was exactly jmk's problem, I think.
Not the sentence writing, the display of the tree.
He is doing very well with the hal document.
yes I agree his documents do look good
mr "oscilliscope" ;)
it's a great doc, actually
that's a minor issue
but still funny
I just write "'scope" since I'm not sure of the first letters
lots of people call them "sillyscopes"
but they're generally non-technical people ;)
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Jepler: have you tuned your servos any better?
SkunkWorks: no I've kinda forgotten about that project
why do you ask?
Just wondering how it was running. (no feedback to the amp)
current or velocity
sort of one big outside feedback loop.
I have not had time to get any further on my project
I have all the parts. just need a little more time with eagle and the mill.
alex_joni: did you change something in the formatting of your emc logs?
Hi alex :)
SkunkWorks: I changed the server
SkunkWorks: any problems?
odd - well yesterday views fine in the browser and todays is all garbled. ( line feed issues I assume)
[17:06:48] <SkunkWorks> http://184.108.40.206/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-05-01.txt
[17:06:57] <SkunkWorks> http://220.127.116.11/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-05-02.txt
It comes up fine in word.
looks ok here..
SkunkWorks: probably has a different cr (carrige return) symbol
IIRC windows and *nix have differing cr symbols and that can cause issues
Am I still here?
Lerneaen_Hydra: the cr didn't change from a day to the next
it is IE - sorry
comes up in notepad correctly. It is odd - I go from the 1st to the 2nd and it changes.
SkunkWorks: try Opera or Firefo
you'll never go back
[17:26:33] <alex_joni> http://videos.humpingfrog.com/14394/2006/04/amazing-bubble-magic.html
<- this is cute
alex - do you have the doctype set to plain/text or text/plain?
not doctype, document type
alex_joni: that was actually a rather cute video (although the codec was horrific)
SWP_Away: no idea.. let me see
any idea where I can check that?
it should be in one of the apache config files
text/plain asc txt text diff pot
is that used by apache, or for looking at files with file and the like?
it's also linked into the apache folder
/etc/apache/mime.types -> /etc/mime.types
mozilla is now opening them in a new window
it was opening new windows in a loop a little while ago, because I set plain/text to open with mozilla.exe, and text/plain as well.
it saves a text file, then tries to open it, but it's a text file, so it spawns a new browser to handle that ...
yeah - I had to be quick on the escape key to stopit
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hmm... seems SF's CVS is still not 100% functional
in a few days it'll be two months
good thing we don't need no steenking SF any more ;)
I am still upset about you guys changing it.
SkunkWorks: that was really funny :)
may you end up in here: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi-files/01146513141/IMG_3148.JPG
that reminds me - I need to go and read the soaps. I mean the dev list. :)
ok - that was a little mean
but was it wrong?
SkunkWorks: "One Life to give", "General psychiatric hospital", "As the stomache turns"
[18:04:41] <bill203> http://photos.xmission.com/bill/v/machining/IMG_0281.JPG.html
I made one lead-screw-bearing-mount-stand-thingie.
bill203 what are you making?
or that's the plan anyway.
with the c channel frame?
and some as yes undecided bracing.
Oh, you painted datacenter racks
or are they annodized?
they came that way, I think it's just paint.
I got the rack at a local freight-damage place for $20
I know where to get shit loads of those... including the thick base plate... iirc $10/lb
I have the bases and everything, that's what the little 'feet' are from
the "feet" look like bent 1/4" or 3/8" bar
they're just thin pieces of the rack's base
The ones I'm talking about are beefy and I believe they go all the way across.
meant to be bolted tothe floor
yeah, that's what this rack has.
but I couldnt' use the base as-si since the rails for the table have to go there.
the rails: http://photos.xmission.com/bill/v/machining/IMG_0189.JPG.html
bill203 the place you go... are some of the pkgs like from fedex, ups, etc? or literally freight companies?
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/VERSION: moving TESTING
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: moving TESTING
Saw them... purrrrrty
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/VERSION: Done tagging
nothing is really marked, it's just wierd stuff that didnt' make it's way to its destination for some reason.
not actually damaged, just lost, I guess
thier site is http://www.npsstore.com/
Yeah, I was just going to try and find a place like it here, but I'd call fedex/ups and see what they do if you had seen any labels on stuff from them.
I think its more like train-load and truck-load size stuff, usually they have at lease case or two of whatever.
ah, ok. Gives me a better idea. I SERIOUSLY doubt I'll find anything like that in this immediate area then. The cost of Real Estate is far too high to warehouse all that here.
this one is out in the industrial area of town, it's a bit of a drive.
Well, a POS 60yo home <900 sq on less than 1/8 acre goes for $600,000
so, more than likely I'd have to drive at least 80+ miles one way.
what are you looking for?
just stuff, nothing specific. Quality dumpster diving =)
Ever since the dot bomb the surplus stores here have nada.
yeah, that's why I go, kind of like a really good garage sale. :-)
I hit the flea market this weekend... Picked up a brand new, never used, mini saw for $12 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46379
box and all
The only one this year, I'm afraid =(
I miss SoCal... I could find bargins all the time!
oh then hot the docks... straight off the boat!
03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/compiling.lyx: moved the emc2 specific stuff in here, and I added it first, before removing documents/lyx/EMC2_Compile.lyx, so that SWP would be happy
alex_joni: gawd your so cynical lately
alex_joni: hey, speaking of lyx, what's the tool to use for lyx->html conversion?
alex_joni: I tried hevea, tth, and latex2html all on my ubuntu, and they all sucked pretty hard.
jepler: there are some exports.. but I never tried them more than once
if that much..
alex_joni: I'd rather browse html documentation than pdf
html: click, read
I've quickly scanned the html you exported.. what's wrong with it?
pdf: click, wait wait wait, read
wait wait wait?
yeah .. it takes seconds and second to launch acroread or evince
jepler: I know it begins with an h
The HTML I put online is from hevea, and among the bigger problems are that it doesn't have a TITLE in the html
the code samples are double spaced
and I'd rather have fewer levels of index, but that's probably a matter of taste
it doesn't look that bad to me..
jepler: Nothing that editing the CSS couldn't resolve
this is pretty hard to fix with CSS:
* alex_joni agrees
hard to fix..
hm, it looks like the hevea-generated anchors are fragile: they're simply numbered #htoc1 #htoc2 etc. so if I re-order sections, any links-with-anchors people have made will be wrong
reorder inside lyx?
for instance, if I inserted a new subsection under 1.1, all the successive anchors (including those inside 1.2, 2, etc) would point to something else
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: tuning from halconfig, needs multiple reads of ini file yet.
jepler and lyx won't automatically renumber everything?
It would be kinda useless if it didn't imo.
Jymmm: The cross-references inside any one version of the document will already be correct.
but external web links won't be
links to parts of the doc
they're not relative links?
it would make more sense to have named links, like bigfatdoc#G21
Jymmm: But I'm saying, if somebody wants to bookmark "Chapter 3 G Codes" (which is gcode.html#htoc50) that bookmark will be wrong once I insert a new section which ends up numbered 1.3.
because #htoc50 refers to "the 50th chapter, section, subsection or subsubsection from the beginning"
new emc2, emc2-dev packages in the ubuntu emc2 repository
jepler I understand, but if you update a document, you have to expect things to be changed.
jepler sucks, but unless you have a way to change the naming conventions your stuck.
yes I'm sure there's nothing 100% foolproof, but for instance using the anchor #chapter-g-codes (something based on the title) might be better.
Since it's just software clearly it's possible to change it
but I'm disappointed the default (or maybe the only thing already implemented) is so fragile
jepler Is this hardcoded functionality in lyx or something a pref file can change?
Jymmm: It's entirely up to the software that converts latex to html, which in this case is called "hevea". (it seemed less bad than the two alternatives, latex2html and tth)
jepler: Ah, ok. html for layout aint the best of things =) How is the PDF links?
Jymmm: scroll back a bit, you'll find me saying that I prefer HTML to PDF
Jymmm: This isn't about PDF
I think PDF is french for "damned paper format"
unfortunately, the default pdf export doesn't seem to generate links within the document
not a useful table of contents (bookmarks or thumbnails)
jepler: Yes Dear... I was asking if the PDF has the same issues
Jymmm: SWPadnos has your answer
pdf doesn't have those issues, since it doesn't do internal linking ;)
by default, at least
I'm not sure if it's possible, but I bet it is
Um, who decided to use lyx in the first placeout of curiosity?
don't go there
the board I assume
since the dawn of time ...
Man has used Lyx for document creation
there aren't many good choices
lyx is pretty decent
isn't there a simple way in tcl to check to see if a variable exists (or has a value)?
SWPadnos: yes. [info exists]
* alex_joni is used with worse
"exists" and "has a value" mean the same thing
I knew I had seen "exists" somewhere. thanks
I used that to check for $ENV(foo)
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: Show and watch parts of halconfig.halshow.tcl
03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/ (mini.tcl tkemc.tcl): added halshow to menus
[20:05:49] <giacus> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html
yeah, i read that :)
great guy that rms
I'm reading the article right now ..
how is going there ? all right ?
and where are the things going to?
were you working on fpga ?
alex_joni: no news yet here ..
Ihave to wait few days yet
giacus: no hurry ;)
looking for a house ..
alex_joni: learned our great language yet? :)
ValarQ: sure.. I know skit
you will get far with that :)
or soemthing like that
hey anonimasu !
"välsmakande som avföring" is the phrase
all ok ?
where you've been ?
lot of time I done see you around here
"good as shit"
my vacation is going to end ..
mine ended today
it's really nice
I'm in naples since 15 april
10 hours of work :)
alredy seen cradek's lathe video ?
where can I get it?
I should have it in the mail ..
can you forward it to me?
looking to find the mail
the video should be online yet
[20:21:08] <alex_joni> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/dscn6186.jpg
[20:21:08] <alex_joni> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/dscn6185.mov
[20:21:15] <alex_joni> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/nut-test.jpg
[20:22:30] <giacus> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/dscn6186.jpg
ValarQ: jag misstänker att du kan Svenska?
hm more swedes :)
ValarQ: (translated) I would beleive that you speak swedish?
Lerneaen_Hydra: indeed i do, i have listened to "Mastering Swedish" :)
bork bork bork
oh, non native?
hurdy burdy boo bork bork bork
Lerneaen_Hydra: nope, Smålänning actually
if you're from småland then wouldn't that make you a native?
How many Swedish people are there here anyway?
Lerneaen_Hydra: q: "non native?" a: "nope"
seems like there are very many
ah, double negative
2, apparently ;)
they can be tricky :)
or no, 4
AFAIK chinamill is, and I think BO^DICK is too
and alex_joni is in skåne way to often ;)
ah yes - that could be
bo-dick, chinamill, valarq, Lerneaen_Hydra
is he in sweden?
Lerneaen_Hydra: he visited skåne a couple of times :)
we can soon have a fest for ourselves..
mutipling, like rabbits
wow - that's probably the largest contingent except from the US
Lerneaen_Hydra: where in sweden do you live?
maybe more Canadians, but I don't think so
Lerneaen_Hydra: ok, here in the south then :)
you live in småland?
Lerneaen_Hydra: yeah, 20km north of Kalmar
what about anonimasu and BO^DICK? (IIRC chinamill was from somewhere around GBG)
ValarQ: only once so far
I'm from the very north..
but I barely missed another trip the last few days
alex_joni: ok, i thought you did a revisit as well
luleå, well well, that's real far up. I know a few people from LTU
alex_joni: btw, i got some problems with freezes when starting emc2 on a specific machine
they seemed to find gothenburg tropical
alex_joni: anything you heard of before?
*glances at the clock* oh my. I had better go to bed now, I have to get up early tomorrow (06:00am-ish)
Lerneaen_Hydra: with our high humidity most lapplänningar actually find it colder here
heh, thats true, the winters are at least low in humudity up there
I should head to bed too
ValarQ: recent emc2?
alex_joni: pretty recent
what kind of HW?
alex_joni: month old -rTESTING repo
alex_joni: intel coppermine
get a more recent one
does it freeze on any config?
try the sim one
ok, the funny is that it starts about 50% of the times
and then it runs just fine
sounds like some memory problems
how much ram?
alex_joni: should be enough if emc2 doesn't eat to much
alex_joni: 256MB or 512MB and i run a stripped down debian system
is there any way to debug such freezes?
ValarQ: only system log or dmesg
I expect they are hard freezes
mouse stops moving, etc
yeah, so do i :(
well, i'll make an update and keep testing
btw, heard the latest mastering swedish lesson? :)
not tonight ;)
could be a defective ram bank or video card too
maybe more video card ..
I had some issue like that in the past
check the agp slot too
the 5:th lesson is great :)
"Ball balbil för far for förbi fyr och får för fort" = "Cool ball car for father went by a lighthouse and sheep too fast"
have you seen the Funny Boys' skit about "Irish as a second language"
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* giacus another album uploaded http://www.giacus.org/photo/famiglia/1maggio06/index.html
with a bit of luck I got a great photo in the acquarium :P
[21:47:21] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/photo/famiglia/1maggio06/img014.jpeg
this is really cool :D
K4ts: got no good photos with her camera ..
giacus: photos start to look way nicer ;)
but she used the camera in automatic mode
alex_joni: yeah.. very difficult to get nice photos there, with the glass
giacus: I know ;)
maybe I'm learning something :P
we are always learning :)
I turn off the flash and set focus manually
30% of photos I shot are ok
others are very bad :(
10-15% good pictures is a high rate :D
sometimes it is about luck
catching the right thing in the picture
besides composition & lightning & ...
I like this one: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi-files/01146513141/IMG_3000.JPG
"That much did God love the world"
really nice, yeah
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K4ts: this yours is cool http://www.giacus.org/photo/vacanze/floridiana/img014.jpeg.html
with solar light there's nothing to compare with my compact camera..
nikon its a great camera