he there...having issues with rh4 and clarrion
can you help?
what is clarrion?
what is clarrion ? a language ?
and what is rh4? do you mean read hat 4
this is for a linux based CNC controller
sorry to wake you
i just read header
its only 8pm here
its 8 here too
maybe we are neighbors
its a big timezone
m1ke_l: what's Clarrion ?
EMC Storage array
another meaning of emc
fisrt time I heard that
I remember an old language called Clarion
many years ago
here, emc is the Enhanced Machine Control
was a dbase language I think
tomp: are you from australia ?
chicago, australia :-)
[00:32:01] <giacus> http://www.softvelocity.com/clarion/language_compilers.htm
jmkasunich: is emc a registered trademark ?
[00:35:12] <giacus> http://www.zibiz.com/solutions/storage-emc/index.html
yeah, definitely the wrong emc ;-)
tahts the one.
[00:40:49] <roltek> http://webevents.broadcast.com/emc/meeting050300/disclaimer.asp
* giacus switch to #linuxcnc
eew. qbasic? http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/04/homemade_computerized_embroide.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
hey, whats wrong with qbasic?
maybe it's just fine .. I never wrote many BASIC programs on DOS
I think I stole a copy of TurboC or something
I learned to program doing basic on a trs-80
* jepler tries to remember.
I did years of basic .. just not after I got rid of my Commodore
that's actually pretty cool
("got rid of" meaning "put in a box in the basement", of course)
the sewing machine
I still have my kapro 2, in the bedroom closet
for analog feedback?
[02:07:05] <jepler> http://www.webcom.com/sknkwrks/embroidr.jpg
it doesn't use g-code or any other language to describe the design
it follows lines on paper
Be sure window light and the
room lights don't change during embroidering.
those folks are nuts
mixing homemade "report mix" in a rock tumbler
The tumbler is on a long extension cord and is plugged
in remotely. So far we have had no disasters.
What is "report mix"?
the explosive used to make the loud bang (report) in fireworks
that sounds like an incredibly bad idea
[02:22:36] <jepler> http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/04/08/cathode-ray-tube-pocket-watch/
don't let cradek see that
A long time ago I made a 9V transistor battery that flashed
oh I've seen it
alkaline 9V batteries have 6 tiny cells inside (AAAA?)
that's the scope clock guy
he's a nut, I like his clock a lot
took out 2 or 4, don't recall now, and I replaced them with a blinker ckt and an led that would run on the remaining two cells
cradek: I hadn't seen the "pocket size" version
jepler: I think he intended to make a run of them - don't think he ever did, just the prototype
* SC100 Scope Clock in wood case - $400 assembled $350 kit
* SC60 Scope Pocket Watch estimated price - $700-1000 assembled
you gotta want one pretty bad
to pay that much
sigh, his scope clock is discontinued (used up his run of specially-made power transformers)
yeah I always wanted a scope clock, but I didn't want to pay even $350
hmm, homemade tig welder
[02:34:12] <jepler> http://www.engadget.com/2004/09/17/the-wonderful-shot-tomys-digital-camera-for-dogs
theres been times when I wanted a camera to take pics _of_ the dog, but not from the dog
(we had a dog that would wait until we left for work, then get up on the table and steal catfood
our cats understand that it's only forbidden to get up on the counter when there's someone to see them actually make the jump.
we have two
one is too fat, we feed him on the floor and he gulps it down so the dog doesn't get it
the other is a browser, her food is on a table
jymmm: did you see my comments earlier?
(right after you signed on, maybe you weren't actually there)
jmkasunich: Can I have the drill you drew? Looks likes like something from Buck Rodgers! =)
A ray gun drill!
what do you think of the idea?
comes off the saw with two bolts to store...
adjust height with blocks and a wedge under the unhinged edge of the board
The idea is great, but you're thinkingI have a saw that's worth anything =)
alternatively, if you don't adjust much, use two pieces of aluminum square, one on each side, and rigidly fasten the board with screws to the bottom of the square tubes, use washers to space it for height
I like that back end of it, easy way to adj the drill height.
figuring out how to fasten the drill down and keep it precisely square is gonna be fun
most have lumpy shapes
insta-foam the bastard!
This is a good idea... http://sawdustmaking.com/Sheet%20Rack/rack.htm
the secret to keeping it simple is not to try moving the drill inward to drill, move the wood instead
Stopped by HD today, no sanding disc thing to use in a drill. gonna have to get some aluminum and make some discs
anyone know how to reverse the direction of an axis in emc2 ??
from the kybd when jogging -or- it's going left when it shouel be going right?
ENGINEERING REFERENCE MATERIAL: http://www.engineersedge.com/
etla put a - before INPUT_SCALE
oh why do they always leave immediately
you're scarring them =)
was it you that suggested that $40 oxy-propane torch?
fenn was it you that suggested that $40 oxy-propane torch?
fenn: Just wanted to say thanks for that... Found one at the flea market today for $3
thats pretty cheap yes
* fenn struggles with an avr programmer.. how pathetic
huh, it seems bush would use nuclear bombs now to attack iran..
wait until tomorrow to know if berlusconi go home
elections day here :P
tough decision ;)
we hope so ..
I mean a hard decision
iran attack ?
no, for your election
well, its really hard
40 millions of peoples whatching trash tv ..
they don't know nothing about freedom
well.. don't see an real alternative..
new generations should learn more about the story
same thing happen in computers
who want to know the story should read -> back
and learn how internet was born
not just use visual basic ..
so, new generations seems have no idea of what a nuclear attack mean
or a pseudo-democracy mean
thats the problem
they forgot the story
or they never learn that
then the past do not teach anything
and we are drived by these crazy peoples
the only messages they are able to receive are based upon trash
fast and trash messages like a tv spot
just wait until tomorrow to know if they will damage the country for 5 years more..
[10:06:02] <giacus> http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2006/04/basta_enough.html#comments
heh i love how he calls everyone communist
* giacus goes to sack berlusca
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fenn: seen this? http://www.bwired.nl/
is this like internet zero?
oo i like the doorbell cam
[12:41:17] <alex_joni> http://hackedgadgets.com/category/complex-hacks/
man, there are quite some crazy people out there
check the big dog video
[12:44:27] <alex_joni> http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/01/10/crazy-go-carts/
the swimming snake robot is sweet
too bad it's in japanese ^_^
[12:47:24] <alex_joni> http://hackedgadgets.com/category/crazy-hacks/page/2/
makes you really feel like building robots ;)
[12:51:20] <alex_joni> http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/01/08/stanley-winner-of-the-darpa-grand-challenge-2005/
check the air engine
[12:52:22] <anonimasu> http://home.ctlnet.com/%7Erobotguy67/classic_cars/air_engines/V-Twin/air_engines.htm
alex_joni: had it in a new tab already ;)
hm winning the darpa grand challenge isnt exactly a hack
yeah more of a accomplishment
I am kind of curious
do they get a map where they should go?
[12:55:29] <alex_joni> http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/02/04/build-a-stun-gun/
or a wayoint and a topology map ?
anonimasu: yes and no, they get GPS checkpoints
yeah, it was THE major event in the last two years ;)
i think they should make the robots figure it out
gps is totally cheating
topology and a final waypoint ;)
heh gotta have a payload too
still very cool
otherwise my $20 model airplane could do it
get there and don't get shot by our team of snipers
ouch my stomach hurts..
I ate too many of theese crackers with garlic cheese on them
making me hungry already.
* alex_joni ate lots of salad today ;)
hm, *curious about thoose topology maps*
anonimasu: ever tried to forward a rs232 port over ethernet?
wonder if there are any standard tools out there..
* alex_joni wants to use a linux-serial & eth forwarded to a doze box
hm a moment
I want to admin my Switch ;)
[13:05:41] <anonimasu> http://realterm.sourceforge.net/
* alex_joni looks
although I dont know if that'll run on linux
that'll allow you to do rs323 over tcp
cant you just pipe ckermit over ssh?
or am i thinking backwards
hmm.. not quite what I want
I want a virtual RS232 driver on the doze part
and on the other end have a linux server with the rs232 port
I think telnet on the linux side is ok
* rayh just shakes his head.
* fenn agrees with rayh
anonimasu: something like this: http://www.network-serial-port.com/nspk-data/nspk-scr.gif
looks like you'd have to write some code/buy some software
if they're selling a product
fenn: yeah, for that solution.. but I just started looking ;)
found this though: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ser2net/
yay, found what I need : http://www.hw-group.com/products/hw_vsp/index_en.html
alex_joni: looking now
virtual serial port xp..
but it's commercial
[13:39:08] <alex_joni> http://www.hw-group.com/products/hw_vsp/index_en.html#licence
ah that one yeah
for distribution you need to put up a link to their website
seems like an ok deal to me
as far as doze goes at least
* alex_joni doesn't want to distribute it..
fenn: it uses as standard RFC
found a few proxy's for linux that act according to RFC 2217
so I guess I'm set.. I hope
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Alex: FYI, I just emailed to you the protocol I have so far defined for implementation independent remote host.
I have a real simple prototype sort of working.
* Jymmm kisses Anna and makes giacus jealous!
Jymmm: giacus is forever afk
K4ts: He's with his other 14 girlfriends
could someone tell me in what voltage range Vref the following design offers? http://www.pminmo.com/l297-8/L297_8HVschematic.pdf
Bo^Dick: 5V is applied to a voltage divider consisting of a 2.7K resistor and a 1K pot
calculate the voltage at the top of the pot, the range is from there to zero
it will be modified somewhat if the L297 loads it down, check your L297 data sheet to see the input characteristics of the Vref pin
if the input impedande of the L297 is less than 100K or so you need to do the voltage divider calcs assuming that the Zin is in parallel with the 1K pot
btw, besides that, could you come up with an idea on how one could lower that voltage level by 29.3% on a digital command with the aid of an open collector and-gate?
its not hard, think voltage dividers and parallel resistors
the details are left as an exercise for the student
03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/ (servo_sim.hal servo_sim.ini): added limit and home switches to the simulated servo configuration
jmkasunich: Just curious, do you know how most variable speed (cord/less) drills are made variable?
corded use a triac or scr based circuit similar to a light dimmer
cordless (DC powered) use PWM
gotta go, going to a baseball game!
jmkasunich so the trigger is just a pot?
ok, cool. gives me an idea or two
* jmkasunich hides from Jymmms idea
Nah, not THAT bad.
EHJ-1: still there?
what do you call a drill press spindle... a quill or soemthing?
Sure. Usually quill motion is distinct from Z or knee motion.
I'm trying to understand how a drillpress works in the respect of pull the bit down without the side binding.
without taking my drillpress apart that is =)
Ah. In bigger mills, the outside of the quill does not spin.
There are bearings inside that allow the shaft to rotate.
Ok, what about the lowering/rasiing of the chuck?
Just put a z slide on the gantry.
No, no, I mean a drill press, not a mill.
Alex: I am now, wen to lunch
oh, a spline!
rayh: I guess I'm talking about #56 http://www.toolpartsdirect.com/images/schematics/blackdecker/1785_type_1.big.jpg
EHJ-1: got your email.. gotta say it all looks good
only one question remains
Per my questions to you earlier regarding setup, that the configurations, builds, etc. all need to match. I am attempting a configuration independent protocol between the CNC application and the user interface.
rayh #56 left side of image, middle
Yep. 56 is the rotating part 54 is the bearing housing.
54 slides up and down.
54 does? I thought 56 slides within 54
Alex: I have a prototype I can send you if you like. I can send you a windows exe, I haven't figured out the linux distro yet.
The top part of 56 is a splined shaft that slides inside the drive pulley.
EHJ-1: no, I get it.. but I just don't understand why you need to add another layer
rayh: ok, on MY drill press, there is nothign the protrudes thru the middle of either pulley. Just a nut iirc
rayh like #65
top of image, below belt
(mine only has one belt, not two as shown here
Sure this has a center idler
But the top part of 56 is the sliding drive splines.
rayh to the spline part fits within the pulley?
ALex: That way it makes it a lot easier to customize your own UI, especially on the windows platform without needing to know too much about EMC itself. All one needs to understand is the protocol, and even that can be wrapped into a single DLL. In the process not needing to load a version of TCL or Python or whatever on the windows box.
It's not real obvious but I think 61 is the outer part that slides on the spline
36 is the pinion that drives 54 up and down.
rayh: Right, but I can't tell what it's engaging.... 54 or 56 or somethign else
EHJ-1: you don't need TCL nor Python to talk NML
just simple c++
so 56 is statioanry
EHJ-1: you simply need to copy emc2.hh & emc2.cc over, and use those
That is confusing. But I think 56 only rotates inside 54.
EHJ-1: along with rcslib.lib, and you can link your app..
and 54 slides in the case driven up or down by 36
EHJ-1: but if you find this easier .. ;)
rayh: Yeah, not hte best iamge... so is 69 stationary or the chuck?
(69 dude) Yep that's the chuck.
But you do need to link in emc.cc and all that, and that has to be basically the same build and configuration, otherwise the size of the objects changes.
rayh : funky ass drawing of a chuck =)
EHJ-1: you only need emc2.hh & rcslib.lib
Hey it looks to me like lots of these parts are not to scale.
as you've seen the 3? year old rcslib.lib still works with a modern emc2
so most things haven't changed
68 bolts to 69 or is threaded on.
68 is the taper that locks into 56
EHJ-1: the size & all is defined in the emc2.hh, the NML library doesn't change
EHJ-1: but I agree if you never have done this before, it's not trivial to get it working..
Notice that both 56 and 54 have a side slot that needs to be alligned
EHJ-1: although xemc.cc should compile just fine under mingw I think
so that the taper release tool 70 can be inserted and release 68
rayh: whats the photographs when ya need em! lol
You mean emc.hh, right?
A good scaled drawing would make a lot more sense.
EHJ-1: I planned to change that with paul a while back, but we never did finished it
rayh Yeah, or some cross cut photos =)
Alex: Yea, and that has a bunch of dependencies on other files (config, rcs, cannon, etc.). All of which has to get built in and has to match the build and it seems the configuration including ini files, etc. on the "server".
That would be nice.
Right, ideally I want my UI to only need to know IP address and socket number, and the configure itself based on what the "server" reports as its configuration.
EHJ-1, How is this different from the current emcserver?
rayh: it doesn't talk NML, but some other protocol using a standard socket
Okay. Why would another protocol be prefered?
rayh: working with NML means some coding overhead to build the stuff
for someone who never touched it, it's easier to set up something new
What seems to be passed in the current implementation is a streem of C++ objects, where the receiving side has to exactly match the sending side as far a build and even configuration.
Sure that sounds like NML.
rayh: he is talking about NML
What we have done is compile emcsh for the gui's target OS
rayh: in case the GUI is tcl, yes
if you want native GUI's you need to compile libnml or rcslib for the target OS
then also the recent emc.cc & emc.hh & other related stuff
Or modify emcsh for the native.
so the problem is that you always will need to have synced versions of GUI & emc
or else they won't agree
but I think that's true for ANY protocol
once the protocol changes.. you need to change both sides
Hey. Even with all the changes to canon, the emcsh library has been fairly static.
Alex: Not at all. There are plenty of protocols which don't change or know how to adapt to change.
I based my protocol (very simplistically of course) on SMTP and cisco server protocols.
I just use two "l"s in hello. :)
EHJ-1: well, I'm not gonna talk you out of this.. it's just not what I would do..
I show it to you when I get it working. Maybe you will change your mind. :)
what matters is the GUI, the way it talks to emc is irelevant for the user
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Jymmm: giacus is present wowwwwww
i was present also before ..
is it true that this design for Vref allows a maximum reference voltage Vref to just around 1.3V? (datasheet states 3V max) http://www.pminmo.com/l297-8/L297_8HVschematic.pdf
Bo^Dick: How high does the reference voltage need to be to permit the maximum L298 current? The sense resistors (R9, R10) seem to be .5ohm, and the maximum current is 2A per bridge.
giacus kira sleep
you not ?
I give nuisance?
se sono sveglia?
cosa hai deciso
per pasqua quando sali?
huh. The pminmo design has RC filter on the sense inputs of the L298, but st.com suggests that they are unneeded (http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/an/1679.pdf
you come a naples for easter?
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oh.. youre using chatzilla ..
no! mouse again
K4ts: are you sure you no need glasses ?
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/ (Makefile Makefile.inc.in): these cut and paste errors were fixed in head, we want them here too.
sure e you?
K4ts: i''l be there saturday
I've to go to annamaria's birthady
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as silvio berlusca :P
[20:22:47] <jepler> http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2004/06/chocco_salo_unh.html
[20:27:33] <K4ts> http://www.pasticceriabellavita.it/
( ! )
O ( ? )
> > \
Jymmm: for you
I alredy know it
jepler: this is just as weird as your link: http://mingyisung.com/
[20:35:13] <K4ts> http://mingyisung.com/galleries/kibashers/large-9.html
that's a bit odd
not odder than this: http://www.uniquepeek.com/fusion_pages/index.php?page_id=327
[20:40:27] <alex_joni> http://freshpics.blogspot.com/2006/04/gaming-evolution.html
<- this is actually nice
alex - what was your first computer?
skunkworks: looking for an old computer ? :)
my first was a TI 99/4a
I remember playing a lot of harrier &
texas instruments ?
was a computer or a calculator ?
[20:46:21] <giacus> http://www.pubfoto.com/albums/Immagini/metallice.jpg
[20:47:12] <giacus> http://www.pubfoto.com/Immagini/morbidbastid
doh ! lol
[20:47:34] <giacus> http://www.pubfoto.com/Immagini/motociclista
[20:48:08] <skunkworks> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=236
fisrt computer I bought was a vic20 as jepler ..
some year after I switched to C64
our next computer was C128
after it the next has been 386sx
we used it mostly in c64 mode ;)
486 windows 3.1
and in the 1996 I discovered Debian potato
I dont know of any 'personal' computer before the vic 20
i'm 38 years old
timex sinclare - was that before the vic20?
dont know you :)
32 I think
the zx sinclair was born at bit after the vic20
some year I think ..
cousin had that
I already have the C64 here
our first "pc" was a 386sx
win 3.1 ?
oh.. I also remember before win 3.1
there were nice apple computers
you know - I don't think so. I remeber using the dos menu program of some sort
as well, you know how bill 'taked' from xerox and apple ..
played a lot of chuck yeagers flight simulator
first GUI was by apple computers
did you see you can run xp on macs now?
they invented the mouse
they as in xerox
with qemu ?
i'd not be interested in run xp in apple ..
make no sense
good night all
* alex_joni goes to bed
the hardware I like in the past was sun spark machine
you can bang two stones together for sparks
used a lot for stable and secure systems as firewall
what I never seen or tried is transmeta instead
did you play a lot of games on the c64?
yeah, a lot really ..
that is mostly what I had used it for. Beach head?
there' some c64 emulator online too
can't remember titles
I have played with them. there are also ti99/4a emulators
people have way to much time on their hands ;)
"vice" is the commodore emulator I use
basic for a stupid language for what I remember
I replayed Ultima I the othre day
Dbase III plus and clipper was nice
it was using C libs
and interfacing database from dos
created with Dbase
was very stable
first dos vers. was nice
I have a programmer at work that used to program clipper. Still has one company he helps out (still running clipper)
he use clipper yet ?
yes - to help his client out. it is a payrol program of some sort
jepler: vice is what I had used.
I spent 2-3 years playng around borland delphi too
700 $ for Deplhi 2 :(���
is still have borland C++ around here on 24 floppy disks ;)
after few years was obsolete
with incompatibles libs
next step was to switch to Linux
the cost for the delphi upgrade was around $ 400
* Bo^Dick is back
any progress with your cnc ?
jepler: hmmm. i didn't consider that.
jepler: that makes sense of course. however i hoped the max current was 2.5 amps
Bo^Dick: l298 ?
I think they can be coupled to get double current
yes they can be coupled. however i think 2.5 amps is enough for me
[21:21:22] <giacus> http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/L/6/2/0/L6203.shtml
should be a nice IC for a stepper driver
[21:29:14] <giacus> http://engraving.majosoft.com/html/body_stepper_driver_board_with_l297_and_L6203.html
looks compact, without lot of components around
I could find 4A motors for the same price of 2A here around
single sided board design? nice.
and maybe it could be better to prevent lost steps
"I don't have tested this board !"
jepler: yeah, seems nice
yeah seen ..
inputs are the same of l298 I think
03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: remove debug output
btw, there is no statement about the impedance of the Vref pin on the L297. do you think it could be treated as very high impedance (>100K)?
it would be an advantage if the current drawn by that pin is neiglible
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